The whole world is in ruins... Do we need to destroy Ukraine

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The whole world is in ruins... Do we need to destroy Ukraine


We retreated silently for a long time,
It was a pity, they were waiting for the battle,
Grumbling old people:
“What are we? to winter apartments?
Do not they dare, commanders
Strangers tear their uniforms
About Russian bayonets? "




Lermontov was right. There is in Russian, that global Russian of different nationalities, a person, this trait incomprehensible to the West - “strangers to tear their uniforms”, while not caring about their own at all. For the sake of victory, we are ready to die. Your uniform is not important, something else is important, inexplicable, but present in most Russians.

Emotionality? Patriotism? Fortitude? You can write a hundred words that will be true when describing Russians or Russians, if someone is disgusted by the word Russian. At the same time, strange as it may sound, we are very compassionate and ... angry. That film ensign who said the famous phrase - "the whole world is in ruins, but then ..." is largely right and confirms our "evil pity."

Recently, I often come across how the attitude towards the Kyiv regime has changed after terrorist attacks and shelling of peaceful cities and towns. Even those who only recently opposed the NWO are now convincing me that we need to toughen up our actions in Ukraine. The same "whole world in dust" ...

It's a sinful thing, and sometimes I give in to emotions. Or maybe, really, to smash the infrastructure of Ukraine to hell, destroy the energy sector, destroy the sewerage system, break bridges, bang along Bankovaya so that neither the office of their president, nor the Defense Ministry, nothing remains there ... Let the Nazis feel how people lived in XVII-XVIII centuries... And those who are not Nazis, but support the regime... Well, you have to pay for everything.

And then I watch a video from Izyum, filmed during the visit of the Ukrainian president there. I listen to ordinary people who openly tell Ukrainian journalists that Russian soldiers are better than Ukrainian ones. That it was the Russians who cared about civilians. The fact that the city was destroyed by Ukrainians, not Russians. And this is when for such words it is quite possible to become a "place in the cemetery", another nameless grave.

I also read documents from Western sources, where they openly order Kyiv to continue to strike at the infrastructure of the LDNR and the liberated territories. I read the materials of Western correspondents, where the events are completely altered. I am watching a video from the “new Bucha”, where they found “another proof of the atrocities of Russian soldiers” in the form of a cemetery of corpses of soldiers and officers of the Ukrainian Armed Forces abandoned on the battlefield.

Somehow, the desires of some of our citizens and the West coincide. I, we - "the whole world is in ruins", and they are about the same. It is somehow strange that I (we) and the Pentagon play on the same side. American generals recommend that Kyiv retreat to positions advantageous for defense in order to withstand the offensive of the allied army at least until November, while actively working on the liberated settlements with all types of weapons. And I (we) say about the same thing, but in a different direction.

If the goals of the SVO do not change, then do we need to liberate all of Ukraine now?


Strange title for a piece of material, isn't it? At first glance, the answer is obvious. It is necessary to strain all forces and disperse this Kyiv government, along with the Armed Forces of Ukraine and other warriors. And then there will be happiness. Stop killing people. Businesses, schools, clinics will start working…

What if you think about it? Is it really the case or vice versa? Once I wrote that after the destruction of Ukraine, the question will arise not of who will own this country, but of who will surrender this country. Who will take care of the hungry people living in a country with a completely destroyed economy and post-war devastation?

Above, I mentioned November as the period until which at least the republics and liberated territories must be terrorized. Why November? There are several components here. And a lot depends on whether the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be able to continue the "offensive", whether the allied forces will be able to complete at least part of the task in full, and so on.

I often hear the words that the events in Ukraine are directed against our country. That Ukraine is just a place where there is a multifaceted confrontation between Russia and the global West. I fully agree with this thesis.

But besides the fact that Ukraine is a territory, it is also a state where people live. Ordinary people, for whom the main thing is to raise children, live in prosperity, love, build houses, work at enterprises ... They cannot kill innocent soldiers.

The task of Ukraine now consists of one point. Force Russia to negotiate on Kyiv's terms. In other words, surrender. For this, neither effort nor means can be spared. Therefore, there will be the next wave of mobilization, then another and another. The main thing is to provoke Russia into retaliatory actions, which we (I) also call for. Destroy everything and everyone ... Strange, right?

For this, all means are good. Whether it is shelling of administrations, terrorist attacks against officials, journalists and the military, blowing up power lines, attacks on nuclear power plants, hydroelectric power plants, destruction of infrastructure in Russian-controlled territories. As soon as Moscow breaks down and responds, it will become possible to declare Russia a sponsor of terrorism with all the actions that follow from this. And then negotiations. Negotiations are on the terms of the West.

Attentive readers have already noticed how excited Europe and America are. The people understand that if some emergency measures are not taken, a very difficult winter is ahead. Yes, and the support of Kyiv is very expensive for the Europeans. This means that it is at the end of autumn - the beginning of winter in European capitals that it will become hot from street rallies. European politicians will clearly not care about Ukraine.

Not all is well in the US either. After the election, which Biden's party is likely to lose, there will be such a squabble that will cost the seats of many officials and politicians. And ordinary Americans, little by little, begin to make noise about prices and deteriorating living standards. So, after November, the president will no longer be able to scatter billions.

Now let's move to the East. The situation with Taiwan has not been resolved. The threat of war has not been eliminated. Thus, the world is threatened by a new confrontation. And this confrontation in its intensity will be much tougher than in Ukraine. In addition, I would pay attention to those events that for many seem insignificant. Like the recent skirmish on the border of Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan.

Today it is already clear that the shootout was provoked by third parties. But that's not the point. The main thing is how easy it is to organize such a mess. And this is nothing less than the threat of new wars in completely unexpected places.

And one more huge fact, which, precisely because of its immensity, few people pay attention to in the context of Ukraine. Does anyone doubt that a new global crisis will break out in the world soon? I think that there are very few such optimists. As well as those who do not believe that many countries will experience food shortages this year. Beautiful as a lack of food. People will starve. And not only in Africa and Asia...

That is why interest in Ukraine will soon fade away. And along with interest, lending will also disappear. Even the US will not be able to support this country, let alone the EU. And then the position of the president and his clique will become critical. Ukraine will be thrown to the mercy of European hyenas, and then the question of the lands annexed to Ukraine after the Second World War will arise.

It remains to combine everything, and you get a beautiful picture. True, to complete the picture, we will have to recall one discussion that has been going on for a long time, including on our pages, about the need to announce mobilization in Russia.

Remember the root cause of everything that happens? The West really wants to destroy us! Hence everything that is happening now. The defeat of Russia would be the perfect end to the war. But only the most narrow-minded politicians believe in this. This means that it is necessary to provoke dissatisfaction with President Putin within the country.

For this, according to the West, what I wrote above and ... general mobilization is enough. Mobilization will generate discontent among the people. Soil will appear for the emergence of Maidans in Russian cities. From our point of view, this looks like a utopia, but from the point of view of the West, it is a completely logical construction.

So do we need to liberate Ukraine right now? Do we need the suffering of ordinary people? Do we need the hatred of these very simple people towards us? Should their president and everyone else be eliminated? Don't you think that in this case the same variant that worked in the Crimea might work? Only this time it will happen in the western areas?

I am sure that Poland, Hungary, Romania will not miss the chance to return their lands. And the fact that passportization has long passed in Western Ukraine, and many Ukrainians have long been citizens of these countries is a fact. We spoke about the Yugoslav version at the very beginning of all events. Break and turn into a bunch of small countries.

So answer or keep silent?


Irresponsibility breeds relapse. No matter how much you tell the cat that you can’t mark slippers, there will be no result. But a couple of times to poke his nose into this very sneaker, and then ... So, in my opinion, it is necessary to answer. And answer hard. But this requires a political solution. We must change the essence of the NWO.

First of all, a decision is needed to recognize the Ukrainian authorities as terrorist organizations. Not Ukraine - a terrorist state, but its state structures. This will allow us to strike at all the places where terrorists are trained, where decisions are made, where equipment is produced, and so on.

We are taking CBO to the next level. To the level of the anti-terrorist operation! In this case, the perpetrators will become legitimate targets. That is, the personal destruction of terrorists anywhere will become a legitimate military operation. By the way, I foresee the example of Israel. That's exactly what was done there. "Massad" launched its operation "God's Wrath" in 1973 and actually destroyed almost all the terrorists from the "Black September". And the last one was found and liquidated in 1992!

Very important, if the operation is renamed, it will be possible to bring to justice all those who today terrorize the citizens of Ukraine through the courts, public organizations and other bodies that do not directly participate in hostilities. Employees of these organizations should be aware of possible liability for their illegal actions.
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  1. +15
    25 September 2022 03: 23
    And now I want to look at the situation from the other side: why is there no work being done at all or weakly to rock Ukraine from within? Would a military coup with the elimination of Zelensky and the entire top leadership of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the SBU be very useful for our guys at the front? Maybe just buy them like they bought Iraqi generals and take the whole country with small sacrifices? Why are we head-on then a reception at the forged gate, but perhaps the gate is open on the side
    1. +45
      25 September 2022 04: 19
      Quote: FoBoss_V
      why is there no work being done at all or weakly to rock Ukraine from within?

      Fascism (Nazism) is a very tough ideology, and the fascist state ALWAYS cleans the political field and government structures from elements disloyal to fascism. And the population is intimidated by terror and driven under the bench. So who are you going to download there? This could have been done at the beginning of 2014, immediately after the fascist coup.
      Quote: FoBoss_V
      Maybe just buy them like they bought Iraqi generals and take the whole country with small sacrifices? Why are we head-on then a reception at the forged gate, but perhaps the gate is open on the side

      But with this tale, money-loving politicians and generals (on both sides) have been brainwashing the Kremlin all these 8 years of Russia's "refraining" from protecting the Russian People and the Russian World. They also promised to buy everyone - "give us as much as the Americans spent on bribery (5 billion dollars) and we will bring you Ukraine on a platter."
      And they successfully mastered these 5 billion dollars. ..., and possibly more, given the murky trading schemes ... AND WHAT ??
      And the fact that MI6 and the CIA preempted all these efforts, arrested Medvedchuk and his supporters ahead of time, and on 24.02.2022/XNUMX/XNUMX. the forces of the British special forces and "Azov" shot down all the generals in the building of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the ALL headquarters of the southern group (in Mariupol)!
      And that's it - there is no one else to buy there.
      Quote: FoBoss_V
      Why are we head-on then a reception at the forged gate,

      This is the quality of the intellect of our military-political leadership.
      Quality , as it turned out ... bad .
      Quite bad.
      That is why the NWO is so amazing in its ill-conceivedness, unpreparedness and outright dope from the very beginning. All the preparations for it, its provision and the NUMBERS of the involved group ... are simply amazing ... but after 7 months, the NWO is no longer surprising.
      Why didn’t they take care of replenishing the grouping in 7 months, for the sake of (at least) organizing normal and timely rotation and control of the rear ... For the sake of separating the front line ...
      About communications, UAVs and mat. provision ... needless to say .
      So why such a tiny group?
      SAVING !
      A large Army needs to be paid more, but a small and hired one ... less. And under capitalism, the less you pay, the sweeter and more pleasant. This is how they played out until the "Kharkov rout".
      Whether it's allowed now - one Ahura Mazda knows.
      In the meantime, the Sumerians are still pressing in the Luhansk direction ... and at least more slowly than before, they are moving forward.
      And the losses of the Nazis are not afraid - they will mobilize new meat.

      The article is reasonable and puts the right questions and benchmarks. But without the defeat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, there can be no talk of any "negotiations on our terms", "operational pauses" and other "gestures of good will". Without the defeat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, any negotiations will be capitulation.
      And therefore - mobilization.
      Partial ... so far 300 thousand ... but for defeat and Victory a grouping of about 1000 000 people is needed. ... or so. Less power is no longer enough.
      Pull the time?
      So for 8 years they have been dragging ... and they HAVE REACHED !!
      They gave us the opportunity to create from the miserable Armed Forces of Ukraine ... (excluding the Air Force and long-range strike systems) the "strongest army in Europe" - both numerically, and in general training, and serious combat experience. Which has become, in fact, the advanced detachment of NATO in our underbelly.
      Did you wait?!!
      We waited.
      So now, wait a couple more \ three \ ten years, not the Donbass, but marinate the whole of Russia with a war?
      Or is it still FIGHT, since they took up the tug?
      But first - mobilization, accumulation of reserves ... But not later than next year.
      Here is my humble opinion of a resident of Donetsk.
      1. +7
        25 September 2022 06: 36
        the fact that MI6 and the CIA preempted all these efforts, arrested Medvedchuk and his supporters ahead of time, and on 24.02.2022/XNUMX/XNUMX. the forces of the British special forces and "Azov" shot down all the generals in the building of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the ALL headquarters of the southern group (in Mariupol)!
        And that's it - there is no one else to buy there.

        Really curious. I wrote a similar assumption here in early March.
        1. +3
          25 September 2022 15: 31
          Quote: Mikhail Sidorov
          I wrote a similar assumption here in early March.

          These are not assumptions. And those who watched Shariy's streams in the first hours of the NWO remember how these messages came to him, and he immediately voiced them. First as unconfirmed, then confirmations, later - as a statement.
          And that is why the headquarters of the "South" group did not have a single Ukrainian general, but it was full of NATO generals and colonels. Which had to be urgently replaced by the liquidated command of this group of troops.
          1. 0
            25 September 2022 15: 36
            These are not assumptions. And who watched the streams of Shariy in the first hours of the NWO remembers,

            I do not remember. I have never watched Sharia.
            1. +2
              25 September 2022 15: 57
              Before that, I didn't really. But that morning (at about 5 a.m.) I got a message about the urgent appeal of the GDP, turned on (it had just begun), and there were reports of airstrikes, jammers, helicopters on Gostomel ... Sharia jumped out and streamed. His streams in the first month and a half were very long, informative and saved many lives of civilians on the other side.
        2. 0
          25 September 2022 18: 08
          Speculation, or was it? For the first time I'm listening!
      2. +9
        25 September 2022 09: 19
        There is a chess game, which is still being led by the Anglo-Saxons. If we win, we will become a superpower. If we lose, they will blow it up from the inside and devour it.
        1. 0
          25 September 2022 18: 49
          The British "tanker", who publicly promised to press the nuclear button, her generals forgot to tell that she does not have any "nuclear button" Britain does not manufacture
          enriched uranium, neither energy nor weapons. Doesn't have. neither technology nor
          productions. The same goes for missiles like "Bulava" or "Yars", not to mention the "Sarmat". On the
          British submarines American "Trident", with American nuclear weapons. Respectively,
          push the button will be in the US. France supplies fuel for Britain's nuclear power plants, and it is also building new reactors there. Better, to some extent, the situation in the States, but also
          close to clinic. They have the only uranium enrichment plant with centrifuges,
          newly built. Their old diffuse enrichment method is extremely unproductive and costly. They do not have hypersound, modern cruise missiles, etc. Their military aviation industry distinguished itself with a "collection of jokes - FU-35", and was forced to switch to the modernization of the F-15 and F-16. I don’t see the point in listing how “the king is naked”: let the seeker find it. Why only two countries? These are the main enemies of Russia, the rest of the "West" - podtyavkivayuschie.
      3. +7
        25 September 2022 11: 19
        "MI6 and the CIA preempted all these efforts, arrested Medvedchuk and his supporters ahead of time, and on February 24.02.2022, XNUMX, the British special forces and Azov shot down all the generals in the building of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and ALL the headquarters of the southern group (in Mariupol)!"
        and can you confirm this?
        1. -2
          25 September 2022 15: 47
          Quote: aglet
          and can you confirm this?

          See my answer above.
          The only thing I would like to correct is the phrase about the "General Staff building" - they shot all the generals and officers who were in the conspiracy (and not just everyone, I did not double-check the typed text).
          In the very first hours of the NWO (and almost minutes), Shariy led his streams almost continuously, and voiced the information that came to him. About shooting in the building and near the General Staff, about the fact that "Azov" entered the headquarters of the "South" group and shooting was also heard there. Then these messages were confirmed by different sources.
          And of course, the fact that the entire headquarters of the "South" group, already in the course of the NWO itself, was represented by some NATO generals and officers. Whom they stubbornly tried to take out by helicopters ... then they were captured (some of them "Azov" liquidated by order from the outside) ... and then - silence.
          1. -3
            26 September 2022 09: 53
            "And of course, the fact that the entire headquarters of the" South "group was already represented during the NWO itself by NATO generals and officers"
            do not read the media before eating, and drink vodka, or something, not an infusion of mushrooms
      4. -9
        25 September 2022 16: 05
        ...... So for 8 years they have been pulling ... and HAVE REACHED !!.....
        Exactly, this is your personal opinion, which is based on your knowledge. The Russian leadership also has knowledge, based, among other things, on the assessments of experts, intelligence, and so on. At the beginning of such an operation in 2014 and the sanctions that were applied to Russia, its economy simply could not stand it. All the same, the Russian leadership should first of all think about their country. Well, over the years, Russia has pulled up the production of weapons and more or less modernized part of the industrial and agricultural potential. These backlogs allowed the country's economy not to collapse when sanctions were imposed. Well, you need to take into account the state of Western economies then and now. The crisis does not allow them to swing much at today's prices and dependencies. And it will only get worse for them.
        1. +11
          25 September 2022 17: 01
          Quote: svoroponov
          At the beginning of such an operation in 2014 and the sanctions that were applied to Russia, its economy simply could not stand it. All the same, the Russian leadership should first of all think about their country.

          Sanctions were inevitable for Crimea alone.
          But if they immediately supported the rebellious Donbass and made it the point of reassembly of the former Ukraine, then it would be possible, according to the Crimean scenario, to take control of the entire South-East and recognize it as the legal successor of the legitimate power in Ukraine. And without these regions, the rest would not have survived. For there were then forces in the former Ukraine itself, in order to take the situation under control.
          The forces were.
          There was no organization.
          If the Russian Federation then introduced at least a completely limited contingent AT THE REQUEST OF THE LEGAL PRESIDENT OF Ukraine, the cops, and most of the SBU, and almost the entire army, would accept such HELP as legitimate and long-awaited. And YOURSELF would put things in order, catch / kill all these Maidan hundreds, all the conspirators. You understand - YOURSELF.
          And no sanctions would follow, because there were no reasons left for this - the coup was suppressed, Ukraine is a member of the EurAsEC, the Customs Union and the CSTO, and these decisions are made by the legitimate authorities.
          But instead, the coup was recognized ... legal, the power of the putschists was recognized ... legal, their fake elections of Poroshenko ... legal ... and Poroshenko's congratulations on his election - like a cherry on the cake.
          All the problems for themselves, the people of the former Ukraine and the World, the Russian authorities then made themselves.
          It was worse than a crime, IT WAS A MISTAKE.
          And now you have to pay for this mistake - in blood.
          Big blood.
          Quote: svoroponov
          Well, you need to take into account the state of Western economies then and now. The crisis does not allow them to swing much at today's prices and dependencies. And it will only get worse for them.

          And then they had something to swing?
          And would they have a reason if the legitimate power after the fascist coup was restored?
          Russia has received all its sanctions for Crimea and support for Donbass.
          EVERYTHING GOT IT!
          So maybe it was worth it for the "same money" in the spring of 2014. take ... more? smile
          Significantly more. smile
          And there would be no reason to shed blood now and strain all forces with mobilization.
          And don't you see that right now, when the Anglo-Saxons have carried out a thorough rotation of the European elites, NATO is stubbornly climbing into a global conflict? And he considers this conflict as a SOLUTION to his economic, financial and geostrategic problems.
          Namely, THEN (in 2014) Europe (and the USA and England) were not ready for this.
          But they made a decision the day before "to prevent the reunification of Russia and Ukraine by any means." Clinton also stated this quite officially.
          And in 2014, Russia had a chance to break the game of the Anglo-Saxons at the lowest cost for itself.
          But with us (as always) ... they don’t choose simple paths.
          1. -9
            25 September 2022 18: 14
            No, it couldn't be. Then there was no Dagger, Iskander-K, Zircon, Vanguard, Sarmat, Poseidon, S-500. And those record grain harvests. And there was no SP-2.
            1. +7
              25 September 2022 18: 47
              Quote: stankow
              No, it couldn't be.

              Yes, what is it from?
              Russia had enough strategic nuclear forces for strategic deterrence, and no one would have dared to be a nuclear power.
              "Zircon" - for arming the Fleet, and in that situation it was not at all critical. There were already several brigades of "Iskanders" and all in the western direction. The S-500 is a missile defense system, an important thing, but not from the KR - from ballistic ones.
              Quote: stankow
              Sarmata

              At that time, several dozen Voevods were fully combat-ready and on combat duty - the same thing - 10 BBs of an almost megaton class with all the means to overcome missile defense.
              Quote: stankow
              Poseidon

              what An ultimate tool, but doubtful in terms of effectiveness and survivability. But there were already ultra-high-power bottom sea mines.
              Quote: stankow
              And those record grain harvests.

              They would appear in the coming years, and the possession / preservation of Ukraine in its orbit would ensure complete food security.
              Quote: stankow
              And there was no SP-2.

              lol Well, it’s completely a sin to mention this argument - did they pump at least one cubic meter for export through it?
              That's it.
              And the West would not have had any intelligible reasons for such a level of sanctions as it is now ... and for those that were introduced before the NWO.
              Do you understand?
              There would be no reason. In Ukraine, legal power has been restored / preserved, the conspirators have been neutralized, arrested, destroyed or fled. Here it is just right for us and Ukraine to introduce sanctions against the sponsoring countries of international terrorism.
              In any case, the sanctions would not be worse than those we received for Crimea.
              Now it is clear ?
              Russia's intervention in the spring of 2014, at the request of the LEGAL authorities of Ukraine, would be COMPLETELY LEGITIMATE. Ukraine would be GRATEFUL to Russia for help and salvation from the chaos of the fascist putsch. And the opinion of some Western countries on this matter would remain their own opinion. And they would have to answer very unpleasant questions for them.
              After all, Syria was saved?
              And there everything was much more serious than in Ukraine in February-March 2014.
              You can't even imagine WHAT (!) Chance the Kremlin fell in love with that spring. All the integration projects of Russia (which died out together with the victory of the fascists in Ukraine) would not only receive a continuation ... They would simply receive a triumphant success and development.
              But the plans were drawn up and the councils were advised ... not at all by those who could and wanted to lead the country to Success.
              1. -1
                25 September 2022 22: 09
                All this is so. But the leadership of the country decided on the NWO when there was already not only a fragile parity, but some guaranteed strategic superiority. After all, it has gone against half the world, not only to liberate two regions. 2018 leaked "cartoons"...
                1. +2
                  25 September 2022 22: 26
                  Quote: stankow
                  . But the leadership of the country decided on the NWO when there was already not only a fragile parity, but some guaranteed strategic superiority. After all, half the world went against

                  Yes, it’s clear that they tried to play it safe, but why then is it so crooked and so on ... stupidly planned everything? Why, with such a meager outfit of forces, did they rush like ... "drunk or from a hangover"? Why didn't they take care of the rear and reserves? Why, realizing that everything did not go according to plan, did they not start ... if not "partial mobilization2, but a planned recruitment for the sake of numerically increasing the NE of the RF Armed Forces? , clerks , cooks and kennels ? Such number even in the conditions of peace is monstrously insufficient .
                  Saving ?
                  SHE IS .
                  Commercial psychology ... it is so ... and the trouble is that it is at the highest state level.
            2. +4
              25 September 2022 19: 03
              There were record harvests. Is there a SP2? Let's better keep quiet about weapons, they turned to Iran for help. And A. Staver began to doubt, he used to be a rosary in throwing hats
              1. -3
                25 September 2022 22: 12
                Russia did not turn to Iran for help. But Iran paid for part of the supplied Su-35 drones. Why no? Here they agreed.
          2. 0
            25 September 2022 19: 03
            The Americans have recently let slip that they started preparing sanctions for the further collapse of Russia in the 90s. And they accelerated it from 2010, long before the Crimea. They needed a reason, so after the Crimea, they began to introduce them.
            In addition, there was no request from their president, Ukraine, for help, and the agreement with Russia and the CSTO did not imply this, it did not exist. Ukraine was only an observer there. And under what sauce would you fit in there? And now there is a reason to provide mutual assistance. Putin is doing the right thing, and in accordance with the norms of international law on the provision of military assistance in the event of the genocide of a part of the population, at the request of the leadership of this part. This is in the UN Charter, the protection of the population undergoing destruction. And to prove the actions of the genocide of the civilian population by the authorities of this country, all cases are recorded by our prosecutor's office as evidence of this. Therefore, for the main part of the world's population, we are not a terrorist state. Yes, and our enemies understand this. That if there is a court attempt against Russia, then our arguments will not allow us to be exposed as terrorists, but Ukraine has every reason to become such a state.
            1. +5
              25 September 2022 20: 58
              Quote: svoroponov
              They needed a reason, so after the Crimea, they began to introduce them.

              This is a well-known fact, they were just waiting for the resource of our strategic nuclear forces to run out, and they tried not to give us the economic and technical capabilities to make up for the retiring one. They did not grow together here.
              Quote: svoroponov
              In addition, there was no request from their president, Ukraine, for help

              Well, why tell a deliberate lie if millions of people have seen Yanukovych's OPEN appeal. And TWICE. And it was in writing. And Putin confirmed this.
              Why ignored?
              Didn't want to spoil the picture of the successfully held Olympic Games in Sochi?
              But it has already deteriorated, and who now remembers those games?
              Did you just want to take a chance on the Crimea in order to resolve the issue of basing the Black Sea Fleet and preventing NATO bases there?
              Obviously .
              But they lost an order of magnitude / orders of magnitude more. And all at once.
              Were not ready for such actions and the Army was ... completely different than at least now?
              And who was ready for this? Ukraine ?
              So she didn’t have an Army at all, and her soldiers and officers didn’t even think that it was possible to fight with Russia. As well as other power structures. It was they who later transformed.
              Quote: svoroponov
              and the agreement with Russia and the CSTO did not imply this

              We had an agreement on friendship and good neighborliness, and that was quite enough. And the help of the CSTO here would not be required at all. Just as it was not needed in Syria either.
              Or did Syria turn out to be closer to us, and we would have lost more there than in Ukraine?
              No . It was an MISTAKE that is far worse than any crime.
              After all, then in Ukraine, Russian troops would really be greeted with flowers and bread and salt.
              Then ...
              For the road is a spoon for dinner.
              And if the "lunch" is rotten, then at least come with a ladle ... but you'll eat the wrong one.

              Quote: svoroponov
              . And under what sauce would you fit in there?

              At the personal and official request of the legitimate President of Ukraine.
              Quote: svoroponov
              Putin is doing the right thing, and in accordance with the norms of international law on the provision of military assistance in the event of the genocide of a part of the population, at the request of the leadership of this part.

              Again "parts", moreover, parts of the majority of the countries of the world that are not recognized.
              Do you catch the DIFFERENCE?
              LEGAL president of a recognized power, and
              Quote: svoroponov
              in case of genocide of a part of the population, at the request of the leadership of this part.

              Do you understand the legal difference?
              If you have already started talking about International Law?
              Quote: svoroponov
              It is in the UN Charter, the protection of a population undergoing extermination.

              But then there was no talk of the destruction of "part of the population" (de facto, the genocide had not yet begun), there were only statements of intent, an armed seizure of power (putsch) and the usurpation of power by conspirators based on Western patrons.
              It's just that the Kremlin then ... surrendered ... Played along with the putschists.
              Recognized their power ... LEGAL.
              And I got the whole bouquet of pleasures for many years ... forward.
              SMART?
              Quote: svoroponov
              Putin is doing the right thing

              8 years of war in the Donbass, 7 months of a crooked NWO, "Partial Mobilization" and uncertain in time, and in terms of result ... NWO ...
              So EVERYTHING is correct?
              The number of victims, even only among the military personnel of both sides, went to many hundreds of thousands ...
              EVERYTHING right?
              Or is it "a fatal mistake"?
              After all, it was the GDP that then wanted ... and was going to enter Ukraine. And the troops were put on alert ... At the airfields and even at civilian airports (in one of Moscow for sure) there was airborne equipment ready for loading ...
              Dissuaded. No.
              As a little earlier - Yanukovych. negative
              Quote: svoroponov
              if there is an attempt to court against Russia, then our arguments will not give

              fool Only losers are judged.
              And then "Woe to the vanquished!" .
              Are you out of your mind to ventriloquite about such nonsense?

              And I'm not at the age and life experience to blindly take on faith that "bosses know best" ... more ... deeper ...
              Before my eyes, two of my states have already died ...
              And they (the authorities of those states) did not shine at all with intelligence, foresight and prudence.
              That is why the "Fatherland" entrusted to them was destroyed.
              And I would not like to see this a third time.
              For one life, this is somehow overkill.
              1. +1
                26 September 2022 09: 00
                There was no appeal from Yanukovych to Russia. He even could not give an order to his security forces to resist with the use of weapons. There was no agreement on mutual assistance. There was a hope to resolve everything diplomatically, but in a simple way, he just chickened out. And there was only one appeal to Russia, to save him, since they tried to destroy him.
              2. 0
                1 October 2022 07: 27
                Since the 90s, Ukraine has been preparing to break away from Russia. Well, we would have saved Yanukovych before the next re-election, which he would not have won in any way, the West would have tried, everything has already gone so far, and Yanukovych is not the figure who would fight for a second term. And Ukraine would be all the same the whole is lost, and believe me, the new government would certainly quickly join NATO with all the bad consequences for our country.
                Therefore, the scenario that we are seeing now was adopted. The ability of strategic planning from leadership under Putin cannot be taken away.
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                  1 October 2022 19: 41
                  Quote: svoroponov
                  Since the 90s, Ukraine has been preparing to break away from Russia

                  Since the 80s. Even then, they began to hold in some cities of the Ukrainian SSR ... torchlight processions on the eve of Victory Day. They brought high school students from different schools, handed out torches (a tin can on a stick with dry alcohol) and ... with the onset of twilight, they walked silently around the city. The students, of course, had no idea what that meant.
                  At the same time, jokes on Bandera themes began to be distributed among teenagers.
                  Quote: svoroponov
                  Well, we would have saved Yanukovych before the next re-election, which he would not have won in any way, the West would have tried, everything has already gone so far, and Yanukovych is not that figure

                  How do you imagine the process of suppressing the fascist rebellion in the spring of 2014? Troops came in, frightened and drove home?
                  Without arresting and prosecuting the instigators, organizers and sponsors?
                  Without drawing conclusions about the sponsoring countries of the fascist coup? When was the entire evidence base obtained by the counterintelligence department of the SBU (then still quite a normal special service)?
                  Without carrying out purges in the state apparatus, the Army and other law enforcement agencies, from werewolves and enemy agents?
                  Without bringing to justice the oligarchs who financed the coup?
                  And without the immediate integration of Ukraine liberated from the Nazis into the CSTO, the Customs and Eurasian Unions?
                  That is what Janek was going to do when he signed the appeal to Vladimir Putin . When turning to Western leaders who supported the Nazis, he cried out: "Have you forgotten what fascism is?"
                  ... And he broke the pen with which he signed the appeal.
                  Who from the Russian Federation supervised then the "Ukrainian direction"?
                  Do you remember?
                  I remember .
                  Quote: svoroponov
                  , and Yanukovych is not the figure who would fight for a second term.

                  In fact, it was during the Maidan that Yanukovych's rating significantly climbed up. And he was more popular than the coalition of conspirators. Even by counting domestic Ukrainian agencies ... and foreign ones.

                  Quote: svoroponov
                  .And Ukraine would still be completely lost, and believe me

                  I will not believe .
                  As an eyewitness and participant in those events, I will not believe it.
                  Or do you think that the same "Anti-Maidan" who also gathered in Kyiv had fewer people? Especially throughout Ukraine?
                  The coup was carried out by an aggressive , armed , supported and financed by the West MINORITY . Which, in the event of the suppression of the putsch, would simply be imprisoned or scattered to foreign countries. And the representative of the South-East would definitely win the new elections. Whoever he is.
                  And the putschists themselves, not really counting on victory in all of Ukraine, were preparing ... the separation of Galicia (Western Ukraine) from Ukraine ... And they were preparing for battles with the army of Ukraine in the forests of Galicia. And only the help of the West and the Ukrainian oligarchs ensured the success and victory of the Galician separatists in almost the entire territory of the former Ukraine. They are in their victory ... request didn't believe. And just about + Renel from his own victory.
                  Quote: svoroponov
                  the new government would certainly quickly join NATO

                  From 2/3 to 70% of the population of Ukraine categorically did not want to join NATO. This was shown by all public opinion polls conducted by foreign agencies. Well, the locals, of course.
                  Quote: svoroponov
                  Therefore, the scenario that we are seeing now was adopted.

                  Erroneous, irrational, bloody, with a far from obvious result.
                  What could have been done in 2014 was practically bloodless, without shocks, breaking economic ties and ... Yes yes, yes - without such a level of sanctions.
                  For there would be nothing.
                  But today Russia WOULD HAVE BUILT A POWERFUL FLEET (thanks to the power plant from Zarya-Mashproekt).
                  Russia would not have a failure in the aircraft industry:
                  - from 2015, the joint construction of the An-124M in Ulyanovsk would be resumed,
                  - VTA Armed Forces of the Russian Federation would have already received HUNDREDS of new aircraft of the Design Bureau. Antonov, assembled under license at our factories,
                  - would have been built ... more than a hundred exactly Be-200s for themselves and the whole World (there were many orders ... there were no engines),
                  - SUCH a failure would not have happened in the domestic helicopter industry (production was reduced by a multiple),
                  - there would be no delays in the construction of the latest nuclear icebreakers and magnificent turbines from Kharkov would be installed on them in a timely manner,
                  - by creating a grain cartel, the Russian Federation and Ukraine ALLIED with it would take control of the grain market and pricing on it,
                  - it is quite possible that JOINT production of the simply gorgeous An-70 of our joint development would have been established ... and again in Ulyanovsk.
                  - all "Ruslans" owned by the Russian Federation would have been for a long time (and in a timely manner) with new engines and all would have been in active operation ...

                  If we had saved Janek then, he would have signed any agreements with us, and would have been completely untied from influence from the West. And Russia, having done this, would have acquired SUCH authority in the World that all the integration projects and plans conceived by the Kremlin would most likely have been implemented by now.
                  And all this was in the spring of 2014 ... loved with a bang.
                  Russia still received all the sanctions and restrictions, but did not acquire anything during this time ... except for Crimea ... with a water and energy blockade.
                  And now the degree of bloodiness of this conflict cannot even be approximately calculated. Hundreds of thousands have already died , hundreds of thousands have become crippled and many millions have become refugees . And now this also applies to Russia to an ever greater extent.
                  And this is what you call "the right decision"?
                  A smart person always admits his mistakes, draws conclusions and henceforth makes the right decisions.
                  What do you think, the refusal to mobilize in March / April and the stubborn "mobilization will not be" until ... the announcement of "partial mobilization" after 7+ months of massacre in a ratio of 1/5 ... was it the right decision?
                  When the enemy has mobilized over a million, and even after suffering all his huge losses, has at least 700 - 750 thousand fired soldiers in service!?
                  And having received several successive defeats (alas, the "gesture of goodwill" and "regroupings" are nothing else) ... through "I don't want to!" ... still start mobilization ...
                  Is it smart?
                  Did it speed up the issue?
                  Maybe this led to minimization of losses?
                  Or maybe it gave some dividends on the foreign policy circuit?
                  NO .
                  Quote: svoroponov
                  The ability of strategic planning from leadership under Putin cannot be taken away.

                  That's right . Let's hope that, even if through "I don't want to", at least some conclusions have been made and there will be fewer mistakes in the future.
                  hi
                  1. 0
                    4 October 2022 10: 12
                    You do not know the constitution of that Ukraine, I am Nukovych. He could not invite the Russian military to his territory. Well, there were really no agreements, and those agreements that were, did not allow this. Not the military, so the partisans would have unleashed sabotage. It wouldn't be the end of the world anyway. So the assessment from your point of view is not entirely correct.
                    Well, the enterprises you are talking about practically did not exist anymore. There were signs and the work of individual divisions and workshops in these territories. In addition, these enterprises were tied to a wide range of products from all over the USSR. After the collapse of cooperation, the end came. This is from witnesses, Ukrainians who work for us now, many from similar enterprises.
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                      4 October 2022 13: 01
                      Quote: svoroponov
                      I am Nukovic. He could not invite the Russian military to his territory. Well, there were really no agreements, and those agreements that were, did not allow this.

                      There was an emergency in the country - an armed Nazi-style coup. And Yanukovych asked for help TWICE, and publicly - the first time from Kharkov, the second time from Rostov. I then very closely monitored the situation and very well remember everything in detail.
                      And Putin hesitated, or rather, he was just about to send in troops, the Airborne Forces were ready for loading, but the environment dissuaded him. "People of Chubais".
                      And you should not justify and defend the weakness and short-sightedness shown. Then a golden chance was missed to resolve all issues at once and avoid the consequences that inevitably came after the annexation of Crimea. The United States was then only interested in Crimea.
                      Quote: svoroponov
                      It wouldn't have ended peacefully anyway.

                      The Ukrainian cops themselves would have caught all this bastard, together with the Anti-Maidan activists, if only the legitimate government had returned and Russia had entered. There would be no resistance, there would be the most NWO-peacekeeping operation to promote the establishment of peace.
                      Do you know what was the main argument of non-interventors?
                      CRIMEA !
                      Then there would be no reason to join it to Russia - that's what they pecked GDP with. And then they were afraid to think about the annexation of the whole of Ukraine. But in vain. That's when the chance just happened.
                      Quote: svoroponov
                      Well, the enterprises you are talking about practically did not exist anymore. There were signs and the work of individual

                      Not quite so - Antonov then, by order of the RF Ministry of Defense, developed a line of transport (and passenger) aircraft and their production was already underway at enterprises in the Russian Federation (including in Voronezh). An agreement was signed on the resumption of production of Ruslans in Ulyanovsk. For the Russian Federation they were going to build as many as 100 pieces. ! Ukraine also gathered about a dozen for itself. We also counted on foreign orders.
                      And they certainly worked, and also like two pearls of the world (!) Engine building - "Zarya-Mashproekt" with their magnificent power plants for all types of warships, including aircraft carriers (the most powerful gas turbines were developed for China), and the Zaporozhye "Motor Sich" then supplied the lion's share of ALL aircraft engines to the Russian Federation.
                      The Kharkov Turbine Plant supplied turbines for domestic nuclear power plants and nuclear icebreakers, in the Russian Federation they still lick their turbines with longing, and without them, the deadlines for the delivery of icebreakers have very much crept to the right. And the cooperative ties of the former defense industry enterprises were also not broken, and although there were not so many orders, but with the loss of these enterprises, many projects literally fell into a stupor. That is why the Russian aviation industry fell into collapse. Not only due to the lack of engines, but also a number of instruments and components became unavailable. And how they got pissed off in production, through a bunch of intermediaries, helicopter engines ...
                      Do you know why the Mi-38 is still not in production?
                      Engines!
                      It was for the Mi-38 that the engines were ready (developed and tested - by order of the Russian Federation) in the fall of 2014! They put them on the Mi-8 and immediately set an absolute static altitude record. And these moves are not available to us now. And we ourselves do it for the Mi-8 \ 17 \ 24 \ 35 \ 28 ... a multiple of what is needed, and the quality ... is not that. That's what the School and the proven technical process mean.
                      And for light helicopters, Motor Sich made moves for us - for Ansat and Ka-226. But ... also already in 2015 (if I was not mistaken). And now these engines are being supplied / supplied to the Turks for the Bayraktar-Akinki UAV. And for the entire line of light-engine and light passenger aircraft, these engines were - from the L-410, L-610, to "Baikal", etc. maize and flying boats.
                      EVERYTHING IS UP!
                      Factories are dead!
                      In Russia .
                      And without much hope for their own.
                      Remember the fate of the IL-112?
                      But a new light transport aircraft was developed for the VTA RF, and there would definitely be no problems with engines. And Antonov Design Bureau really made the best transport workers at that time. THE ENTIRE LINE and it is under the order of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.
                      And you sing to me that everything is dead ...
                      Yes , many died , being left without an order . But after all, already in the Bandera era, you could develop and transfer to the customer two sets of the Grom-2 missile system - Saudi Arabia. And the blow to the airfield in Saki was inflicted precisely by this complex ... as it turned out ... And I had to bomb the workshops of Yuzhmash ...
                      Quote: svoroponov
                      This is from witnesses, Ukrainians who work for us now, many from similar enterprises.

                      Yes, the fact of the matter is that in the fall of 2013 a huge specialized commission from the Ministry of Defense and the Russian defense industry flew to / to Ukraine to resurrect Ukrainian enterprises. Direct investments and contracts were going to be concluded in the amount of at least 50 billion dollars. ! They were going to include these enterprises in the State Defense Order of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. It was a kind of "Marshall Plan", and China participated in this plan of restarting the Ukrainian economy - how many advance payments it allocated ... They knew about the plans of the USA and England and agreed on GDP with Xi ... But the Anglo-Saxons turned out to be arrogant and assertive.
                      And the Kremlin has shown weakness.
                      But then they were waiting for Russia. And politicians (normal), and security forces, and just people - seeing WHAT threatens them in the alternative.
                      In the spring of 2014, a Fatal Mistake was made.
                      And now came the Blood Reckoning for her. And the measure of the bloodiness of this board ... it's hard to even imagine.
        2. bar
          +1
          26 September 2022 16: 32
          Quote: svoroponov
          These backlogs allowed the country's economy not to collapse when sanctions were imposed.

          The economy of which country? The one that "frozen" these backlogs in their banks?
          1. -1
            1 October 2022 07: 52
            Do you also manage business at home - did you receive money and immediately spend everything or are you trying to put something away for a rainy day and refuse some purchases or repairs? Listen to your spouse and her opinion may differ from yours, and who is right? Living with your parents is one thing, but living separately and without their help is another. The country is a complex economy and the country's leadership has more information than you and I. Moreover, the country has moved from pseudo-socialism to state capitalism. But not all methods of its functioning that were in use in the West are suitable for us, new solutions and methods of managing and organizing life in the state are being developed and tested. In addition, we should not forget about the opposition of the opponents of our country.
            The simplest, just imagine that you have been appointed president now and .......?
            Your decisions, taking into account the fact that they are not solved instantly, you do not have a magic wand. Just try to imagine yourself in the place of the president. Your decisions should be based on the cadres of managers and officials, and there are far from all geniuses in many areas. Many were brought there at one time by chance or from nepotism to getting a place for bribes or from the personal loyalty of previous bosses. This applies not only to the highest level, but also to intermediate ones. In addition, part of the property no longer belongs to the country, there are enterprises that came from abroad and built with their money. They came and invested under certain conditions. There is an outflow of capital from the country, which simply cannot be stopped immediately by closing borders and other measures, it is simply not possible. Well, and so on and so forth. The army demands its own, politics. You were appointed president, and then what?
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              0
              4 October 2022 10: 32
              Quote: svoroponov
              You also do business at home - you received money and immediately spend everything or try to put something off for a rainy day

              I keep my stash at home, and not with a neighbor with whom I constantly quarrel. It's strange if you do it differently.
              1. 0
                4 October 2022 10: 49
                You can keep the stash at home or maybe in the bank. That's not the point. One thing is your money and another thing is the money of businesses and investors who are involved in economic activities. There are completely different requests and requirements for the placement of funds and risk accounting. If you are involved in foreign economic activity, then you will have to keep part of the funds in banks abroad. Otherwise, your activity there will practically stop. Just no one will trust you
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                  0
                  4 October 2022 12: 41
                  Quote: svoroponov
                  You can keep the stash at home or maybe in the bank. That's not the point. One thing is your money and another thing is the money of businesses and investors who are involved in economic activities.

                  First, you asked how I manage family affairs, I answered your question. Don't spread your thoughts.
                  Secondly, one should not confuse funds in banks abroad, intended to maintain the balance of foreign trade, with 300 yards in foreign banks and treasuries, which were part of the NWF. And this is nothing else than the same stash for a rainy day, which our liberal iconomism has precisely deposited with a neighbor hostile to us (but not to the iconomism).
                  Well, at least the gold reserve was not transferred to Fort Knox for storage. Although...
          2. 0
            4 October 2022 10: 17
            If in 2014 the sanctions that have been imposed on us would have been imposed, now the country would live on a rationing system. In order to write something here, you still need to be more competent and read more about economics and finance in order to better understand.
        3. 0
          1 October 2022 07: 02
          This is a weak excuse for the cowardice that our leadership allowed in 2014. Only now time has shown our strategic miscalculation!!!!
          1. 0
            4 October 2022 10: 32
            Are you sure it's a miscalculation?
            Now there are facts that the Ukrainian regime is killing civilians, in fact, this is a genocide of the civilian population of the state, and according to the UN Charter, Russia has the right to stop this genocide. And parts of the country that have been subjected to genocide or armed aggression by their state have the right to both provide armed resistance against their own genocide and hold a referendum on secession from this state.
            If we had sent troops to Ukraine then, then we would have been declared occupiers and even countries allied to us could turn away from us with all the consequences. In addition, there were to be elections in a year. How do you think, how would the Ukrainians vote if, from all the irons of the Western media, they were assured that we are preventing them from being Europeans, traveling there freely and being in the economy, the second Storage,,?
            On this, the version of what is happening now was adopted. Yes, through blood.
            But otherwise our lands cannot be returned to us. Otherwise, even a friendly country for us (for how long?) would have stayed with them.
      5. +1
        26 September 2022 01: 32
        Quote: bayard
        And that's it - there is no one else to buy there.

        There is always someone to buy. Judging by the events, there are people on both sides of the barricades who want to earn extra money! wassat Biden spoke about the preparation of the SVO back in December 22, where did it leak from? And Lavrov’s calls for secret negotiations at the UN? And if I have questions about some oddities in conducting SVO, then most likely it’s not about one gyrus from a cap, but about money. For 7 months, what has been done to ensure that Donetsk is not shelled by artillery? Who is responsible for this negligence? Pushilin? Or staff officers of the General Staff of the Russian Federation? Extreme not to be found. hi
        1. +1
          26 September 2022 15: 31
          Quote: fif21
          There is always someone to buy. Judging by the events, there are people on both sides of the barricades who want to earn extra money!

          That's what all diplomacy and intelligence are based on.
          Quote: fif21
          Biden spoke about the preparation of the NWO back in December 22, where did it leak from?

          Yes, what secrets are there, if Putin presented him with an ultimatum before Biden's speech. And he publicly gave the command to our diplomacy to start escalating.
          Quote: fif21
          And what about Lavrov's calls for secret negotiations at the UN?

          Summons??
          In fact, he said that many Western diplomats, officials and leaders asked him for a meeting, but for a secret meeting, not public. But after US pressure ... many "disappeared from the radar".
          And that if anyone has a desire or determination to nevertheless appear (or return), then he is ready for such meetings and negotiations.
          So this is not a call, but a statement of readiness to communicate.
          And the statement is more than public. lol What kind of "secret negotiations" are there?

          Quote: fif21
          most likely it’s not about one gyrus from the cap, but about money.

          And in caps over the gyrus, too.
          Quote: fif21
          For 7 months, what has been done to ensure that Donetsk is not shelled by artillery?

          Much has been done. For example, a significant part of the units of the 1st Corps (DPR), instead of fighting under the walls of Donetsk, were sent and fought near Kyiv, Zaporozhye, Kherson. And to this day they are fighting near Kherson and Zaporozhye.
          Quote: fif21
          Who is responsible for this negligence? Pushilin?

          smile lol What is he doing here? Where can he get troops and artillery for this if his corps is scattered along other fronts and directions?

          Quote: fif21
          Or staff officers of the General Staff of the Russian Federation?

          And the staff officers are also not women to give birth to soldiers. Where can they get troops for timely rotation, replenishment, reinforcements? It is not in their competence to increase the staffing of the RF Armed Forces. They were given an order for 280 thousand in the SV, 50 thousand in the Airborne Forces, 20 thousand MPs of the Navy request and that's it. Spin as you know ... "And so that within the allocated budget"! Therefore, they couldn’t even scrape together 100 thousand from all the armed forces ... so much happened only with the forces of the National Guard, PMCs and volunteers ... And about 60 thousand in total in the 1st and 2nd buildings of Donbass.
          This is where they fight.
          Quote: fif21
          Extreme not to be found.

          Did you search?
    2. +19
      25 September 2022 07: 06
      If you think like that, then this is the result of a profane policy in Ukraine in 2014. If the Yanuk had been promptly helped then, everything would have been different. Perhaps, before the Yanuk, it was necessary to plant your puppet Medvedchuk for any money ... it is better to pay with money than with the lives of your soldiers
      1. +6
        25 September 2022 07: 33
        Quote: Clever man
        SVO is the result of a profane policy in Ukraine in 2014

        Once upon a time in school years, when going to collective farms to help with harvesting, there was such a "game" - they caught 2 mice living in neighboring minks in the field and pitted them against each other, then watched with interest how they gnawed each other . Well, what to take from them, stupid.
        So now, apparently someone is watching with interest a well-organized process, including some from behind the walls of the Kremlin.
        1. -1
          26 September 2022 21: 49
          I see this conflict as a civil war between whites and reds, and there are no winners in a civil war, it is terrible, senseless and destroys one people
      2. +2
        25 September 2022 10: 31
        I have written before and I am writing again. We have an afterthought.
        There is an afterthought of what sanctions were imposed on us in 2014 (oh, Luna 24 is still taking off).
        There is an afterthought of the state we were in in 2014.
        There is an afterthought of what sanctions were imposed on us after the start of the NWO.
        And now the question is: would we have withstood in 2014 the sanctions that were imposed on us in 2022? I doubt. There was no Mir, no banking system, nothing. The fact that during this time we were not able to establish a complete import substitution is a fact, but something has been done anyway :)
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      3. +6
        25 September 2022 12: 12
        I did not want to argue with a respected author in this style. I understand that the only positive result of our shameful flight from Izyum was that the locals said that the Russians were kinder to them than the Ukrainians. Does the author really not understand what exactly is the consequence of this logic. This is the logic of the vanquished.
      4. +5
        25 September 2022 12: 44
        This is the result of a profane policy much earlier than 2014. Much earlier. Although, even after the aforementioned year, it definitely did not get better. Well, here's M.M. - "I ask to the table, it boiled." And there is absolutely no need to commemorate in the context of creatures that one dunce, that another. Because it's better not to have anything to do with boobies.
      5. 0
        25 September 2022 18: 13
        You are right, but a lot was profaned even before 2014 ...
      6. bar
        +1
        26 September 2022 16: 35
        Quote: Clever man
        If the Yanuk had been promptly helped then, everything would have been different.

        If the Yanuka had eggs...
        1. 0
          27 September 2022 14: 21
          Better yet, brains. But that's it, with them there are eternal problems
    3. +3
      25 September 2022 08: 17
      Maybe just buy them like they bought Iraqi generals

      “I’ll buy everything said gold, I’ll take everything said damask steel”

      Now, if logically, leaving aside the dispute - they paid or not. On the facts:

      In the presence of a half-million group, absolute technical superiority and air supremacy. To negotiate and pay extra to someone in such conditions - does it make sense or not?
      1. +8
        25 September 2022 11: 49
        I do not agree with the author in details: however, the author is not alone in the arguments I dispute. Firstly, this is a proposal to wait until winter, and then, they say, the people of Western countries will stand up at rallies and force governments to stop supporting Ukraine. These facts will certainly take place and, by the way, are already taking place, but the ruling elites have long developed an effective antidote - a change of government. Initiate a government crisis. The active part of the population is distracted - as a result, an even more rabid Russophobe (Britain, Italy) comes to power. Secondly, it is asked what the change in the name of the operation will affect its course. We can recognize the Ukrainian government as even a damn bald one, but the fact remains - our forces in Ukraine as a whole have switched from offensive to defensive, so the "unscrupulous" will only laugh at us. No need to argue in the style of "sooner or later", because sooner or later means never. Thirdly, the author proposes to hold trials of rabid ukrofascists, but in order for these courts not to become a laughingstock, they must first be caught - the analogy with the Chechen version is not visible here, because the West has higher stakes. Fourthly, they usually write to us that we don’t need to do this or that, because the West only wants us to do it. Therefore, we are advised to wait - 1. until Ukraine itself falls apart. 2. until they see in the west. 3. until they see clearly in Ukraine. 4. while in Ukraine, military personnel will either see clearly or die. And such a burden for eight years - and the specter of defeat with all the consequences is visible.
      2. 0
        25 September 2022 13: 53
        Quote: Santa Fe
        In the presence of a half-million group, absolute technical superiority and air supremacy. To negotiate and pay extra to someone in such conditions - does it make sense or not?

        wars are not won by technical superiority. spirit wins.
    4. +3
      25 September 2022 09: 30
      Because the CIA acted preemptively and packaged Medvedchuk.
      1. +1
        26 September 2022 00: 12
        You might think that this hell in a fascist pseudo-state without power support is worth something, perhaps about a coup, an agreement and it was because they stupidly entered, but either they lied or they merged themselves there.
    5. +3
      25 September 2022 09: 51
      Unfortunately, Putin himself made them an offer at the beginning .. it is obvious that all their money, mriya, relatives and property, dirty secrets .. and the very soul - at sunset.
      It is only possible when a specific general faces the reality of physical destruction (muzzle to the temple) can be ..
      But it is not exactly.
      Pigs are very stubborn - from experience in the village. These same bloody creatures - especially.
    6. +6
      25 September 2022 11: 23
      It looks like they tried to buy in March, but it did not work out. The whole operation failed. And everything rolled like it rolled. And Kharkov could have been taken back in February, if there were an extra 10 thousand troops, because our DRGs were in the center of Kharkov. They also tried to agree on something. It didn't work out. DRG had a nightmare. In retaliation, ours defeated the regional administration and the SBU.
    7. +1
      25 September 2022 16: 39
      Quote: FoBoss_V
      Maybe just buy them like they bought Iraqi generals and take the whole country with small sacrifices?

      It will not work, the west has a thicker wallet.
    8. 0
      25 September 2022 20: 44
      Why are we head-on then a reception at the forged gate, but perhaps the gate is open on the side
      I agree. The donkey, loaded with gold, "stormed" many cities and countries.
    9. -2
      26 September 2022 03: 19
      Because there is fascism. And Ukrainians profess the idea of ​​superiority
    10. -1
      26 September 2022 16: 49
      Quote: FoBoss_V
      But I want to look at the situation from a different angle.

      I looked through a couple of dozen comments, not a single one says about the essence of the article - "The whole world is in ruins ... Do we need to destroy Ukraine"
      Before reading the article, I answered for myself - the more we destroy it, the more we will have to invest in its restoration.
      No one but us will do this. Neither Europe nor the USA.
      The thesis that, they say, they chose this power, now let them disentangle it, vile. Suffice it to recall how many principled locals, at one time, voted for Borya the drunk.
      Therefore, all my comments regarding the Outskirts are aimed at one thing - IF POSSIBLE, preserve the infrastructure of the Outskirts, IF POSSIBLE, destroy the soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine as little as possible, try to take more prisoners.
      Notorious Nazis - to the wall, the rest - for re-education.
      I always said that it was necessary to destroy the leadership of the Outskirts - BP, the "president's office", the Ministry of Defense, the SBU, headquarters, from the General Staff of the Outskirts to the headquarters of directions and brigades, television centers, if substations, then only railway substations.
      And no hatred for the people of the outskirts. The doctor should not hate the patient.
      I admire our guys rescuing the wounded soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the front line. They probably do not even realize what a great and noble work they are doing. What a huge cornerstone they are laying for the reprogramming of Ukrainians.
      The author correctly posed the questions and gave a clear, understandable to every unbiased reader, hint at the correct answer.
  2. +4
    25 September 2022 03: 47
    Ukraine must be destroyed as a state and as a territory. Even the memories of such a name must be destroyed. Otherwise, after the lapse of years (it doesn't matter 10 or 100), they will betray again.
    1. +2
      25 September 2022 06: 38
      Ukraine must be destroyed as a state and as a territory.

      As a state, I agree. As the territory is not clear what you mean?
      1. +6
        25 September 2022 09: 40
        There should not be a territory called Ukraine, call it what you want - small / large / remote / border Russia, but Ukraine should not be. What would people have weathered from the brains of this spirit of betrayal, which carries this name.
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    2. +9
      25 September 2022 06: 55
      Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
      Ukraine must be destroyed as a state and as a territory. Even the memories of such a name must be destroyed.

      And where are all the Ukrainians? In the furnace?
      Think sometimes what you write. Otherwise, your statements almost literally resemble the slogans of one person with a mustache. And this is not Peskov, if anything.
      1. +8
        25 September 2022 08: 14
        And what about all of them, those who are grabbing our humanitarian aid, or who are being mobilized for war with us, or those who hid our humanitarian aid and met the Armed Forces of Ukraine with joyful faces and flowers? Those who do not want Ukraine, those in the Donbass, are already almost in Russia .. and the rest will gladly kill the Russians, those yes .. everyone in the furnace! As one said, there are ordinary people there .. yeah, and these ordinary people are going to fight.
        1. +3
          25 September 2022 14: 30
          igorka357, and those who are in the dungeons of the SBU or simply fled to Russia, how would you like to call it? They still call themselves Ukrainians, with pride.
      2. +5
        25 September 2022 09: 54
        Why in the furnace? To Canada, Poland, etc. You don't even need to push them, they will rip off on their own. They do this every time after their tricks. Why do you think Canada has the largest Ukrainian diaspora? Although some would need to be in the furnace.
      3. AAK
        -1
        25 September 2022 11: 20
        Do not distort, Andrew! Abo Andriyko? By the way, a very telling name, remembering Gogol ... It's not about a man with a mustache, but citizens of Russia (where the referendums were held) or citizens of Little Russia / Novorossia (where they decide and if they decide not to hold referendums) - no worse than Ukrainians ( even better, if you understand the meaning of the word - a whole country, whose inhabitants consider themselves from the Outskirts of something there ...). There is a war going on, but unlike the leadership and a significant part of the Ukrainians, we are not going to set up a concentration camp on the site of this quasi-state ... And as for the destruction inevitable in the war, all of Germany and more than half of the European part of the USSR were demolished to rubble, and nothing, rebuilt ... we will rebuild the territory of the former Ukraine, including by the hands of those former citizens of Ukraine who want to stay on this land
      4. +3
        25 September 2022 12: 46
        And then these characters are very offended when they are called according to their merits. Strange, isn't it? In addition, their remarks quite demonstrate the so-called. "moods of the Russian society". Are they part of society?
        1. +1
          26 September 2022 07: 21
          Quote: frog
          In addition, their remarks quite demonstrate the so-called. "moods of the Russian society". Are they part of society?

          Far from all. Or, in any case, my social circle consists of people who do not adhere to such "radical" views.
          But yes. Propaganda does its job request
          1. 0
            26 September 2022 07: 55
            "You see what's the matter, Peter" wink (With).....
            Of course, who would argue. Moreover, there are not very many of them at all. But these entities are and smell, which allows them to see and poke a finger. In the same way as, at one time, poking a finger even at 5% of the population, we have formed a good picture of the general hatred of the so-called. Ukrainians to, sorry, Muscovites. It all depends on what you want, right?
            In the same way as now, without prejudice and without deceiving anyone, you can find opponents .... of the operation, supporters of the operation, indifferent to the operation. And even operated laughing . And everything is absolutely honest, without any fraud))
            But, as I said, the result is known. And by these mugs in the same damned West, the layman judges expensive, panimash, Russians. Well, and stuff like that....
            1. +1
              26 September 2022 08: 53
              Quote: frog
              But these entities are and smell, which allows them to see and poke a finger.

              Well, it's like in a big family and not without...request. And they are usually loud. request
              Quote: frog
              But, as I said, the result is known. And by these mugs in the same damned West, the layman judges expensive, panimash, Russians. Well, and stuff like that....

              What to do, "lack of censorship" laughing
              1. 0
                26 September 2022 09: 05
                Well, it's like in a big family and not without...

                Not without it wink On the other hand, if there is, sorry, a brain, in the appropriate place, such characters in the network can be easily and not intricately extinguished without introducing new entities. But a vegetable that serves as a seasoning is forbidden, but such calls are not. And now I am not remembering the local administration at all, if anything, this is a general policy. But Hottentotism at the state level has long ceased to surprise, should we be surprised at these ..... characters?)
                What to do, "lack of censorship"

                The censorship isn't that bad. As, however, and an axe. You can chop wood, you can - old women. Fedor Mikhalych also wrote))) The problem is in the correct use of the tool. And yet there is, unlike censorship, the Criminal Code wink But where are we without Hottentot Byzantium? Well, or Byzantine Hottentotism))) There would be nothing decent to get recourse
                1. 0
                  26 September 2022 09: 20
                  Quote: frog
                  Not without it On the other hand, if there is, sorry, brain,

                  Don't you think that we are slipping more and more towards "accessible to the masses" primitivism? Let it be bloody .. Why extinguish "the soul's wonderful impulses"? Now, all the more so in demand
                  Quote: frog
                  And now I am not remembering the local administration at all, if anything, this is a general policy.

                  The plans of the "celestials" must be brought to the "electorate" in an accessible form request
                  Quote: frog
                  The censorship isn't that bad. As, however, and an axe. You can chop wood, you can - old women.

                  Undeniably good
                  Quote: frog
                  But where are we without Hottentot Byzantium? Well, or Byzantine Hottentotism))) There would be nothing decent to get

                  Bartholomew's night is far from the bloodiest episode in history request
                  1. 0
                    26 September 2022 10: 27
                    Don't you think that we are slipping more and more towards "accessible to the masses" primitivism?

                    Yes, we have been rolling since pre-war times. I protu war, Great
                    The plans of the "celestials" must be brought to the "electorate" in an accessible form

                    They wanted to give a fuck about the electorate. "Are you afraid of cockroaches?"
                    Bartholomew's night is far from the bloodiest episode in history

                    But the safest, for historical coverage. And then, for example, with historians for the Great, some things began to happen .....
                    1. 0
                      26 September 2022 10: 33
                      Thanks for the communication mate hi .
                      I'll rest after a hard day at work. Need to already.
                      Sincerely hi
                      1. 0
                        26 September 2022 10: 53
                        Good luck. Day - yes, but when they are not alone, and at all hi
      5. +1
        25 September 2022 15: 56
        Of course, as now Russians on b. Ukraine (in Odessa). Ukrainians are also in the furnace Germany in WWII, as well as Russians and other Jews.
      6. +3
        25 September 2022 16: 44
        There are no Ukrainians and never have been, there are Russians, Little Russians, Ruthenians, Galicians and many other peoples living in the territory called Ukraine.
      7. +4
        25 September 2022 18: 18
        I completely agree with you: malicious, stupid and provocative comments calling for everything and everything to be demolished/destroyed best of all discredit the declared goals of the NWO ...
    3. 0
      26 September 2022 17: 59
      Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
      Ukraine must be destroyed as a state and as a territory. Even the memories of such a name must be destroyed. Otherwise, after the lapse of years (it doesn't matter 10 or 100), they will betray again.

      What meaning do you put into the word Ukraine?
      If the state, then it is enough to destroy the power and the state will collapse. It means that it is not the state that needs to be destroyed, but the power.
      And at the expense of the territory ... Hmm, how is it? It's not clear to me.
  3. +34
    25 September 2022 04: 06
    Very important, in case of renaming the operation, it will be possible to bring to justice all those who today terrorize the citizens of Ukraine

    They promised to hold a tribunal in the LPR against the Nazis of Azov ... where is this tribunal?
    In response, they were handed over unharmed to the resorts of Turkey to enjoy the beaches and recreation ... moreover, the ukrosaboteurs killed the chief prosecutor of the LPR.
    After that, I do not believe the word of any of the authorities ... they say one thing, do another, think a third ... and even the brains of the people soar.
    You listen to Peskov and you can't believe your ears... what's going on at all... Thank God, even with the referendums, things started to move forward.
    I understand with my mind in the war that is called NWO, anything can happen ... unpleasant surprises on both sides multiply like mushrooms after rain ... and emotions sometimes go wild ... I want to obscene all this ... you worry about the death of the inhabitants of Donetsk every day and other cities of the LDNR.
    Many years ago, smart people warned and said that Ukraine was being used as a battering ram against Russia... and now this historical moment has come... we can only destroy this instrument of the West into dust, otherwise our country will be destroyed no other way... bad everyone will be... rich and poor... and red and white, and those who do not care about all this... no one will remain aloof from the consequences of this conflict... he has reached another level.
    1. +17
      25 September 2022 05: 22
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      They promised to hold a tribunal in the LPR against the Nazis of Azov ... where is this tribunal?

      in the DNR. Then they decided one thing, now they decided to save money ... (((
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      In response, they were handed over unharmed to the resorts of Turkey to enjoy the beaches and recreation ... moreover, the ukrosaboteurs killed the chief prosecutor of the LPR.

      And the fact that some of them brazenly, on video, killed our prisoners, this does not count ... well, well
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      You listen to Peskov and you don’t believe your ears ... what is happening at all ...

      What's happening? "Agreements" are taking place, some who want to get out of Western sanctions and are ready to give even mercenaries the latest model of a "bitten tyblak" for this, I wonder, but did he give something to our fighters? And someone, it seems, wants to bargain for a comfortable camera in The Hague ...
      1. +1
        25 September 2022 09: 36
        Quote: svp67
        even give mercenaries the latest model of a "bitten tyblak",

        Do you firmly believe in the Daily Mail and Ryadovka? All the rest are reprints from there ...
        And yes, the oligarchs will not be able to get out of sanctions technically.They will then have to give up everything of their own here ...
        1. +4
          25 September 2022 09: 55
          Quote: your1970
          Then they will have to give up everything they have here ...

          And yet, such a question was already raised there, and it was precisely according to Abramovich
          Quote: your1970
          Do you firmly believe in the Daily Mail and Ryadovka?

          Honestly, I would not be surprised, because I do not trust Abramovich and hedgehogs with him
          1. 0
            25 September 2022 12: 38
            Quote: svp67
            And yet, such a question was already raised there, and it was precisely according to Abramovich

            Let's see, he doesn't have a rich choice - either money blocked there or assets here. If he chooses there, competitors will devour him here ... he has more here ...
            Trust Daily Mail because don't trust Abromovich - this is strong ...
            It's one of the worst publications ever...
            Abramovich is not an angel, of course, but something vague doubts torment me, too big panache ...
      2. +1
        25 September 2022 10: 44
        give mercenaries the latest model of the "bitten tyblak"
        In England, the iPhone is just a phone, not a luxury or status item. They are given free of charge upon signing the contract. I do not believe.
    2. +8
      25 September 2022 05: 37
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      this historical moment has come ... we just have to destroy this tool of the West into dust, otherwise our country will be destroyed no other way ... it will be bad for everyone ... both poor and rich ... both red and white and those who do not care about all this ... no one will remain aloof from the consequences of this conflict ... it has reached another level.

      Yes Neither subtract nor add ... Exactly - a different level, beyond which only either we, or they ...
      1. +2
        25 September 2022 17: 04
        Quote: yuriy55
        another level beyond which only we or they

        It would be nice if it came to the whole leadership.
    3. +1
      25 September 2022 06: 57
      we only have to destroy this tool of the West into dust ...

      Questions to the "vsevtruhists": Together with the population? And exactly how? Actually about it and article which some badly read.
      1. 0
        25 September 2022 08: 18
        They need to ask a question, are you with us or with the West, further actions depend on their answer. And they have already answered, so together with the population hostile to the Russians. The answer is obvious.
        1. +2
          25 September 2022 10: 55
          The answer is obvious.

          Yeah, it's not entirely obvious. According to the latest polls, there are 15% for an alliance with Russia and only 75% for joining NATO. Will we write down these 15% as "collateral losses", or will we first try to block the export of raw materials to unfriendly countries, and then we will start carpet bombing?
  4. +4
    25 September 2022 05: 11
    I also want everything on the outskirts to be smashed to dust, but I can - I'm a couch expert. But those who decide should be guided by another criterion - what is beneficial for Russia, and without regard to the West.
    1. +4
      25 September 2022 05: 34
      Quote: Popenko
      those who decide should be guided by another criterion ...

      ...- to create unbearable living conditions on the territory of Ukraine until complete denazification. Until the smallest threat to the Russians is gone...
      How do you want it?
  5. +1
    25 September 2022 05: 11
    There is no goal for the NWO, there is only a way,
    Way to victory!!!
  6. +14
    25 September 2022 05: 17
    Do we need to destroy Ukraine
    If you look at the state of affairs, then the eastern and southern Ukraine of Krajina-U is subjected to global destruction, whether we like it or not, the center suffered a little, the north gets a little, but the west, it almost does not feel these destructions. And honestly, I can't understand it. The most vicious, war-oriented part of their population lived and lives, it is there. But she lives peacefully, not getting all the sensations from this war.
    Any object must now be evaluated from the point of view of its military use. You don't want civilians to die, but what problems. A day or two before the strike on the object, the same bridge or railway station, OFFICIALLY, publicly, WARN about the strike, give the civilian an opportunity to evacuate.
    1. -1
      25 September 2022 09: 44
      Quote: svp67
      A day or two before the strike on the object, the same bridge or railway station, OFFICIALLY, publicly, WARN about the strike, give the civilian an opportunity to evacuate.

      1) that side will not believe
      2) civilians will not be evacuated
      3) no one will evacuate the civilian
      4) a day or two - so that the air defense of the object could be strengthened?

      The main problem is that we then live next to them.
      If it were Spain or some kind of Madagascar, it would be possible to bang, it’s not a pity for them. Just like the United States bangs - everyone in a row. According to their principle - carpet bombing ...
      1. +6
        25 September 2022 09: 53
        Quote: your1970
        1) that side will not believe

        This is their problem, "who did not hide ..."
        Quote: your1970
        a day or two - so that the air defense of the object could be strengthened?

        Yes, there is such a threat, which means you need to name objects 10 ... 15, and strike somewhere in five ... They now don’t have so many air defense systems left ...
        1. +1
          25 September 2022 11: 55
          Quote: svp67
          so it is necessary to name objects 10...15,
          - which means - the whole of Ukraine. Exactly the same as now
          1. +4
            25 September 2022 16: 36
            Quote: your1970
            which means - the whole of Ukraine. Exactly the same as now

            No, far from it. In any region of Ukraine, you can find up to a hundred such objects, these are substations of various types, railway depots, railway stations and sidings, bridges, tunnels, landfills, machine-building and repair enterprises, various types of storage facilities ... and so on and so forth
        2. +1
          25 September 2022 14: 44
          svp67 that's right, I had exactly the same ideas as soon as we recognized the LDNR.
          It is possible to declare strikes even in a couple of hours - the people will have time to evacuate, and it is unlikely that they will pull off the air defense and take out the material values.
    2. +6
      25 September 2022 11: 02
      NOBODY will touch the western parts of Ukraine, as one of the conditions of the agreement, as I understand it, between their own and our oligarchs. The flock is alone, and the crow will not peck out the eyes of a crow, as you know. In the West, everyone is aware of the treaty, and therefore they behave accordingly, adding fuel to the fire of destroying the GENE POOL OF SLEEPS, who YET have no idea where their COMMON ENEMIES are. The main advice is this: unleash your brains and start "warming up". This will be our last and...
      1. ata
        +1
        25 September 2022 17: 04
        Yes, we are talking about the betrayal of the so-called national elites in the post-Soviet entities.
        The global solution is to remove them from power, to restore the USSR and the Soviet army through the unification of the armies of the so-called post-Soviet republics.
        And from a local point of view, in the context of the current tactical situation, strikes against western Ukraine, in addition to many other things, could play a positive role of well-deserved retribution for the Donbass.
        1. -2
          25 September 2022 22: 31
          You are on the right path, comrade.
  7. +2
    25 September 2022 05: 20
    The whole world is in ruins... Do we need to destroy Ukraine

    The title is missing a question mark.

    And so the questions are correct, it is a pity that there are no answers. Not in this particular article, but in general some unambiguous solution to this issue. For example:
    "Massad" launched its operation "God's Wrath" in 1973 and actually destroyed almost all the terrorists from the "Black September". And the last one was found and liquidated in 1992!

    If we ignore everything, then yes, such actions allowed Israel to save the state, but did this solve its strategic problems? Again, on the other hand, it's better to keep killing Hamas leaders in '22 than to lose the country in '73. But, we must not forget that Ukraine and Russia are not Palestine and Israel, at least in size, apart from the fact that it is not the leaders of Ukraine who decide everything.
  8. +1
    25 September 2022 05: 26
    That cinematic ensign who said the famous phrase ...

    ... making it clear that the time to "go to hell" has not yet come. The enemy has not yet taken that step at which he will be beyond the line of no return ...
    The main task for today (except for the destruction of infrastructure) is the capture of the top of the "Ukroreich" and the tribunal on the territory of Russia. Everyone must suffer a well-deserved punishment, when the exchange of inveterate villains will be impossible a priori.
    True, for this, the pace of advance and destruction of Ukrainian statehood must be such that it will be quite possible to arrest Zelensky on the air (I agree to be destroyed during the flight).
    That is, the personal destruction of terrorists anywhere will become a legitimate military operation. By the way, I foresee the example of Israel. That's exactly what was done there. "Massad" launched its operation "God's Wrath" in 1973 and actually destroyed almost all the terrorists from the "Black September".

    In my youth, I was fond of the wines of the winery "Massandra"

    Let's call a spade a spade:
    Mossad (Hebrew הַמּוֹסָד‏‎, Arabic الموساد‎, al-Mossad, lit. “department”) full name “Intelligence and Special Tasks Office”
    Israel's tactics are good for Israel itself. One can only foresee the inevitability of adequate responses.
    hi
  9. +6
    25 September 2022 05: 27
    do we need to liberate all of Ukraine now?

    Only the South and the South-East, with a Russian-speaking population. The rest of Ukraine is rotten and foul-smelling material...
  10. +7
    25 September 2022 05: 28
    It's a sinful thing, and sometimes I give in to emotions. Or maybe, really, to smash the infrastructure of Ukraine to hell, destroy the energy sector, destroy the sewerage system, break bridges, bang along Bankova, so that neither the office of their president, nor the Defense Ministry, nothing remains there.
    . Not everything in a row, but the military, transport infrastructure, it is necessary to destroy ...
    So answer or keep silent?

    Irresponsibility breeds relapse
    . It will be necessary to destroy non-humans, not for revenge, to save the lives of those whom they can kill more.
  11. +3
    25 September 2022 05: 28
    early to start dividing the skin of an unkilled bear. and while the first wave of mobilized will be pulled up to the front line .... a lot can happen.
    and we expect a sharp change in the essence of the war. men forcibly torn away from their families, a quiet civilian life, of course, will not arrange a presidential "selective" war ... their own lives are more precious for their families. at the first loss of those called up from a civilian, the frenzy in the troops will increase sharply. and no orders of adult men from the "citizen" can no longer be forced to fight in white gloves. Central Ukraine is waiting for a complete collapse. Western NATO will cover.
  12. +3
    25 September 2022 05: 38
    another cry from the soul of an amateur on the "Ukrainian issue". I’m trying to ask, for about 20 years people like the author or people who have been saying for 20 years, and especially since 2014, to people like me - “you don’t love Ukraine, suitcase-station-Russia, although we have never lived in post-Soviet Russia. What is right Ukraine Even a man with beaten brains, the boxer Usyk, said something like - "in 1991, we didn’t come to this! Ukraine, but she came to us." Until the writers learn this question and wake up from the CPSU device, they won’t remember the centenary, these "shouts" are nothing more than subjectivism and harmful
  13. +12
    25 September 2022 05: 45
    Some kind of fluff. Whom to pity? You only need to feel sorry for your soldiers. No one calls for purposefully hitting civilians at home, but destroying bridges, roads, power plants, etc. is a must. Or have they not yet understood what the "white-glove" selectivity leads to?
    As for crises and so on... What does the author suggest? Wait until Ukraine itself is about to fall apart? Fie on you. Will not fall apart. And they will not stop supplying and supporting it.
    Yes, and with this mobilization .... Too late, don't you think? No, of course - late is better than never, but if earlier - well, it was necessary to admit mistakes. After all, none of the powers that be admits that due to the stretching of the fronts with a minimum of forces, due to dashing "cavalry" attacks, at the beginning of the NMD we received thousands of dead and wounded, which gave our Western "partners" a reason to think that Ukraine can to break the back of Russia, you just need to pour in enough denyuzhkov. Please explain to me, the orphan and wretched: the realization that in Ukraine the entire collective West is at war with Russia came to the leadership of the country only after seven months of the war??? And before that, maybe the information did not reach? Or was someone afraid of being held accountable for unpopular decisions?
    1. -2
      25 September 2022 07: 01
      History forgotten or poorly studied at school? Do you remember when the last UPA detachment was caught in Ukraine? And this was carried out not by peasants from a civilian, but by soldiers who went through the war and acted without much philanthropy. Do you want to repeat the same path? You forget that today even civilians in Ukraine are ideological opponents of Russia. Your path is this path of transferring them from the number of re-educated to the number of active partisans ...
    2. +5
      25 September 2022 09: 01
      The main thing is not to ruin Ukraine, and not to fall apart ourselves!
    3. 0
      25 September 2022 10: 23
      I really want to believe that all the confusion and needless deaths served to, in fact, lure the West into a trap. Economic, military, political. Everything happened very authentically. It’s a pity that the guys were captured and about our population in the Kharkiv region, which is now being tormented. Their suffering is not in vain! Everything, even a hostile world, was shown the bestial fascist essence of ukrov!
      Causes of major errors - on the ground. Speakers reported that everything is OK! Their reports were believed at the top ..
      Or they pretended to believe and laying the numbers in future losses. It seems to me that security officers cannot be deceived very much .. they have been busy with human ins and outs all their lives and sometimes it is much harder for them than for proctologists. We need cover operations, fools who are engaged in fraud are allowed to show themselves. But there will be punishment, I believe. As the simplest example of fools from the golden youth who were lured to a mass run of Gelendvagens around the capital .. in broad daylight! Their relatives shoved them into the FSB academy and somehow they even unlearned .. but they are not needed. And so they were caught for their vanity and everyone was taken out of the game. What kind of agents are they now?
      The most light light example that scraped together in memory. I really want to believe so. I believe that some generals and officials will sit down. But they certainly won’t run away from the punishment from Above. We all go to court. Only everything is different. Some, like tortured victims, are almost heroes, while others are like their traitors. Everyone will be rewarded. And the highest reward is for those who lay down their lives for their friends! In all times and conditions.
  14. +5
    25 September 2022 06: 31
    Well, they will take the territory of Ukraine under control, but they will be able to keep it, because part of the population is incompatible with Russia?
    1. -3
      25 September 2022 07: 16
      Quote: Oorfene Juice and his Wooden Soldiers
      Well, they will take the territory of Ukraine under control, but they will be able to keep it, because part of the population is incompatible with Russia?

      They can keep it, but the western part will have to be given away. And let the EU toil with them. Very few will remain irreconcilable with Russia. Well, you need to look at the first years. There will be "clean" work (when the salary is not in envelopes), they will not take away land plots in the village, they will pay pensions. There will be a resettlement of the people, who like it much more and everyone will calm down,
  15. +2
    25 September 2022 06: 32
    If the word "Russian" sounds for the sake of eloquence of national swagger, then I don't like it either. In addition, it is dangerous for our country with many nationalities. All our shortcomings lie in unprofessionalism in many structures. In this case, in the military. Telling epics and fairy tales is one thing, but to see the current situation in the world is another. At one time, our non-professionals managed to help grow not only the Kyiv regime, but also America itself. if you look from the outside, who served in the army, then Yaroslavna generally cry.
    1. -2
      25 September 2022 07: 04
      Nikolai, maybe enough "scratching the back of the head." Russians are strong in hindsight ... There is a current situation and a solution must be sought, but it’s impossible to complain about what has already happened and it’s impossible to change ...
      1. +6
        25 September 2022 07: 52
        Alexander: When one's own mistakes are not recognized, they are repeated again.
        1. -4
          25 September 2022 08: 12
          Quote: Nikolay Malyugin
          When one's own mistakes are not recognized, they are repeated again.

          When they focus only on mistakes, they make an even bigger mistake.

          ps
          Russian meadows, Russian Drevlyans, Russian Krivichi, Russian Vyatichi, etc. Over time, belonging to the clan-tribe disappeared, but the adjective Russian remained.
        2. -2
          25 September 2022 08: 13
          we have been talking about this for almost 10 years, so what? has anything changed over the years?
          1. 0
            25 September 2022 09: 38
            Alexander. Here you are right. From the fact that we sweep everything with our tongue, it will not become cleaner in the hut.
  16. 0
    25 September 2022 07: 14
    A rare case when I agree with the author. It's ATO :)
  17. +9
    25 September 2022 07: 22
    as soon as Moscow fails and responds, it will become possible to declare Russia a sponsor of terrorism with all the actions that follow from this. And then negotiations. Negotiations are on the terms of the West.


    Almost every day, the authors drive in this mantra. (Another insider said that we would start destroying the energy system - they would give us large-range missiles). Inside it or the result of the analysis - it does not matter. Opinion has its place. The West can do it even now. It seems that there is a referendum on the entry of the Zaporozhye region into the ADMINISTRATIVE borders. Let's go to Zaporozhye and... The West is issuing a ban on the war predicted by Mr. Staver!
    If this is all so, then the leadership of the Russian Federation is kept on a leash. And this is already a defeat.
  18. +17
    25 September 2022 07: 32
    From a letter from my friend:
    “I lived in Ukraine for 8 years, from 2012 to 2020. I talked with classmates, relatives of my wife (there are no relatives on my line). Since 1991, society has been completely reformatted and despite the fact that they don’t put their power, they hate Russia even more.Ambassador of Russia Chernomyrdin played the harmonica, ate vodka with caviar, arranging receptions at the embassy, ​​and Zurabov did his dirty business in the pharmacy business.At this time, the West created funds, fed the right people in huge quantities.The result is different could not be.
    I was on the Maidan during McCain's speech. There was no free space at all! The entire area and slopes of the street. Institutskaya were densely packed with people and they were not visitors, they were Kievans. They shouted loudly Sank Yu to this Vietnamese inmate. And that was December 2013! For 8 years, a whole generation of brainless people has grown up, and those who remember the USSR have become much smaller.
    I think Putin has terrible advisers on Ukraine. Do you remember from history: in the USSR they believed that the German proletariat would not support Hitler in his war against us? The same thing, probably, was called by highly paid consultants to Stalin.
    There will be a huge number of victims on both sides and enmity for decades. It is not possible to re-educate Ukrainian society. At least I don't see how it can be done. I think that Putin does not have such an understanding either.
    1. +1
      25 September 2022 09: 48
      There will be a huge number of victims on both sides and enmity for decades.

      20 years is the bare minimum.
  19. +13
    25 September 2022 07: 42
    From a very young age, I listened to the crap that the collapse of the imperial winter is inevitable, somehow it will not collapse in any way, now with a vengeance the howls of the collapse of the unipolar world, the collapse of the dollar and other economic nonsense have begun with China in rubles. I wish the Chinese didn’t buy our oil at a discount of up to 30%, but they will trade in anything. But, on the other hand, they heard a shout from across the ocean about the World cards and everything, almost everyone stopped working with them. And in general, the position of ardent patriots touches. Well, now we are all on our own Before the year 25, we will bring microelectronics to the world level, build 30 new aircraft, continue.? Well, from personal observations At work, we have an employee, an ardent admirer of our leader and everything that happens The day before yesterday they brought the agenda to her son I have not seen such a transformation of views for a long time And Europe will survive the winter, it’s hard, but it will survive
    1. +5
      25 September 2022 10: 53
      With many, such a transformation is taking place, when there is a clear prospect of doing for themselves what they passionately supported only yesterday.
  20. +4
    25 September 2022 07: 50
    1. Not "the whole world is in ruins", but the infrastructure of Ukraine dual purpose. Not hospitals and schools, not markets or shops, but roads and railways that supply Western weapons.
    2. Recognizing state structures and not the state as a "sponsor of terrorism" will not work. If state structures are recognized as such, then this is the recognition of the whole country. In general, sponsors of terrorism are not Ukraine: Ukrainian terrorists are supplied by the United States and NATO countries. And they are the sponsoring countries of terrorism.
    3. Like many others, I ask myself: where is the work of our security forces in enemy territory? Where is the liquidation of the enemy leadership? Why are all kinds of ideologues of Ukrainian Nazism still alive? Avakov, Yatsenyuk, Yarosh, and others? The article mentions the Israeli Mossad operation. There was another one, on the liquidation of the escaped Nazis involved in the extermination of Jews during the Second World War. Do we have small intestines?
    4. We are told from every iron that there is a war of the collective West against Russia. If this is a war, we must fight. With all the consequences. If this is not a war, but an NWO, then those who claim the opposite should be held accountable.
    1. -8
      25 September 2022 08: 16
      Quote: Grandfather is an amateur
      If this is a war, we must fight. With all the consequences. If this is not a war, but an NWO, then those who claim the opposite should be held accountable.

      NWO is carried out on the territory of foreign states (LDNR) at their request. While we are there to help them. After they become part of Russia, it will already be our territory, with all the ensuing consequences. Partial mobilization is about that.
      1. +3
        25 September 2022 11: 39
        "After they become part of Russia, it will already be our territory, with all the ensuing consequences"
        do not hope that they will come up with something else to continue the red tape that is now going under the name of
  21. +2
    25 September 2022 08: 08
    Cruelty is not needed. An overwhelming superiority in forces and means is needed. And a quick win.

    But if the actions are carried out according to the scheme of "gradually throwing logs into the stove", then the search begins for "what to fix in the conservatory", "our humanity is to blame" .... The USSR was also destroyed "because socialism is a humane utopia." But not because they brought thieves and traitors to power.

    As the saying goes: "Comrades, you are on the right path!" Blow further ... And I wish you get what you deserve.
  22. 0
    25 September 2022 08: 12
    Quote: bayard
    They gave us the opportunity to create from the miserable Armed Forces of Ukraine ... (excluding the Air Force and long-range strike systems) the "strongest army in Europe" - both numerically, and in general training, and serious combat experience. Which has become, in fact, the advanced detachment of NATO in our underbelly.


    The Armed Forces of Ukraine were not so miserable. And now - clearly not the strongest army in Europe, no need to exaggerate. Yes, there are combat-ready units, armed and trained according to Western standards, but there are not so many of them (10-15 percent of the force), since NATO re-equipping all 700 thousand (or even 300 thousand) with modern weapons is just a thin gut.
    1. +6
      25 September 2022 11: 36
      Yes, what are you? Ah ah ah! Not only are there a lot of weapons coming in there, and modern ones, but the soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are quite well motivated. Time to take off the rose colored glasses.
      1. -1
        26 September 2022 13: 50
        Here, take them off. There are a lot of weapons coming... well. Even closing your eyes, that a unit is going to the left... how many divisions or brigades can be equipped exclusively with NATO weapons?
        For example, tanks?
        Well, how many Abrams or Leopards are there?
        The vaunted Western artillery systems - a score of dozens, "Haimars" - are also not 100 and 200, as Zelensky dreamed, they are given by the piece.
        And how much is needed for the complete re-equipment of at least a dozen full-blooded divisions?
        And we also need tanks and aircraft, OTRK ... but this is clearly "jam for tomorrow."
        And what about the Ukrainian military-industrial complex? How many new weapons did he produce in the last quarter?
        How many tanks, artillery systems, MLRS, air defense systems? Can you please with accurate statistics?
        And what about the Ukrainian fleet? A set of rusty basins has long been at the bottom, what's new there? Well, at least a couple of corvettes of their own construction?
        What are Ukrainian admirals doing interestingly? Are toy boats in the trough allowed for their salaries?
        So only 50 are realistic, even fewer - more or less armed as expected. The rest is a rusty legacy of the Soviet era.
  23. +3
    25 September 2022 08: 13
    There are two points. First, historically and geographically, most of Ukraine is part of Russia. Ukraine has never been a separate country. They just bit off part of Russia. Who took a bite. And here is the second question. If the current government of Russia recognizes that Borya Blue has carried out a coup d'état, thereby destroying a single state. Russia's actions in the so-called Ukraine will acquire a legal status. The FRG took over the GDR. Why can't Russia regain its part?
    1. -4
      25 September 2022 08: 30
      Quote: Gardamir
      Why can't Russia regain its part?

      Maybe we will return. South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Crimea, Donetsk, Lugansk, Kherson, Zaporizhia... As the hunchback said, the main thing is to start, and the process will go on.

      Our ultimate goal is defined in the message to the West of December 15, 2021.

      ps
      The destruction of the USSR began with the renaming of the CPSU (b) into the CPSU (1952), in which there was no longer a place for the Bolsheviks ...
  24. +2
    25 September 2022 08: 16
    Quote: domokl
    You forget that today even civilians in Ukraine are ideological opponents of Russia.


    There are opponents, there are supporters. Supporters - the maximum favored nation treatment, up to the issuance of weapons and the organization of the "People's Guard". Let good Ukrainians solve the problem of bad Ukrainians.
    Russia does not need all of Ukraine. Enough of the left bank of the Dnieper and coastal areas (up to Transnistria). Let the neighbors share the rest, they are already salivating.
    1. 0
      25 September 2022 10: 40
      The only thing is that Ukraine needs the whole. Otherwise, any scrap that remains of her will be made ohri anti-Russian, if not a ram, then a poisonous werewolf fang .. Maybe a part of Poland and the former Warsaw Pact are needed, but not based on an abstract ideology, but on a tough pragmatic kukan of oil and gas pipelines and trade impaled.
      And most importantly, as an old Roman senator, I will repeat - (Carthage) Turkey must be destroyed! Then the whole Nata will be swept away and it will be possible to squeeze it out of Europe. These are my dreams..
  25. +3
    25 September 2022 08: 30
    Agreeing with some comments, I also think that as a state Ukraine should be liquidated. There was no such thing and there is no need. Let there be provinces. But there is another aspect. This is like a warning to other former Soviet republics. They played in independence - they lost the state. Especially the Baltics. After all, you can return to Livonia, Estonia again ... And it's time for Tallinn to become Revel. Why have any other states on the territory of the Russian Empire? Pampering it!
  26. +4
    25 September 2022 08: 53
    Quote: Alexander Kuksin
    Agreeing... . Why have any other states on the territory of the Russian Empire? Pampering it!

    The main thing is that the navel is not untied from the strain. The Russian people themselves have twice recognized the president, who has "arranged Russia" in this way. There were 15 republics.

    First, therefore, "let us separate ourselves so as not to feed them." And now we will pass all the bedbugs. The idiocy grows stronger..... But it will end very badly.... This is not pampering. This is a diagnosis.

    The people, who are lowered below the plinth in their Russia, have no other business but to think "about the Empire" ....
  27. +5
    25 September 2022 08: 56
    The author's hopes that with the advent of cold weather the West will not have time for Ukraine is a utopia. It may be hot from street rallies, but not so much that the West has changed its insidious plans to strangle Russia - America has enough funds to fight Russia.
  28. +6
    25 September 2022 09: 05
    Guys, this is all good, but... I see around me the worst thing. Yes, our generation, who is 35-45 years old, everyone understands perfectly well, and no matter how angry they are at the state that is corrupt through and through, they will go to the military registration and enlistment offices consciously themselves, having received summons. While the call is up to 35 years. But we are ready if there is a second wave, the call of those who are older.
    But as I said, a problem emerges - I know many young guys, aged 19-30, who did not serve in the army, are thoroughly saturated with the propaganda of liberals and pro-Westerners, whose entire conscious life is consumption and a fashionable hangout with a minimum of dedication. Oh, they don’t want to for ANYTHING and will not mobilize if they call. Young, healthy, strong - fitness trainers, managers, auto-pickers, designers, real estate and insurance agents, etc. I'm not exaggerating. At work, I have to travel a lot to different companies and communicate with different people. Yesterday I personally talked with such an example, a former fitness trainer, and now a manager, he sells fireplaces and heating equipment. Healthy, smart, polite. He says bluntly - "I will not join any mobilization. I am ready to defend the country when an enemy invades it from outside. And not when our army invades a neighboring country and rakes back the people there, and now, because of the mistakes of the generals, we have to substitute our heads." And even to the point that if they try to force it, this machine gun will be turned against them.
    Like this. And no arguments and so on do not change his point of view and those like him. This is the same sleeping fifth column, which, at the most difficult moment for the state, is activated by Western puppeteers, who, as time has already shown, are 1000 times smarter than our propagandists and strategists. This huge part of young people, who dream of living both in the West and according to Western patterns, grew up on YouTube, Instagram, VK, Facebook, etc. And she absorbed exactly everything that the liberals and democrats of the West rubbed into them, all their "values". This part of the youth has never watched the news broadcasts of federal channels, all these shows of propagandists from the Republic of Tatarstan, these Skabeevs, Solovyovs, Kiselevs and others. They got everything from the internet. The phone and laptop are their alternatives to TV. And it is there that they find what is more interesting and understandable to them.
    The authorities should think about how much, what a huge part of the youth has now calmed down and is still neutral. Bye...
    1. +4
      25 September 2022 09: 58
      The authorities should think about how much, what a huge part of the youth has now calmed down and is still neutral. Bye...

      Judging by the fact that the security forces do not go on business trips to the Donbass, the top ones are aware and ready. Although the Ministry of Defense is increasingly trying to prove the opposite.
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    2. +1
      25 September 2022 10: 51
      dreaming of living like in the West
      And at the same time having no idea how they live in the West.
      1. 0
        26 September 2022 22: 03
        It's not worth speaking for everyone. Children of officials, oligarchs live there and they are fine.
    3. -1
      25 September 2022 10: 58
      Yes, this is the main tragedy of our world. And the world in general, the planet. Here the steel men born in the USSR will leave the leadership. Who remember how a real empire is made (on what the Russian land stands) .. and the backbone of the state can break. young people will most likely sell everything for an iPhone .. for them the sun ☀️ rises in the west .. there the fields of enchanting iPhones grow and sprout ..
      We have lost the youth.
      But as the Red Army soldier Comrade Sukhov said when he was offered to choose death. It is better to suffer of course!. Let's not give up.
      1. +5
        25 September 2022 13: 04
        We did not lose, we did not even fight for it, we were busy dividing the country into our pockets. And now the groan has gone bad youth, And they themselves are straight knights in white robes. Young people at least do not lie that everything is fine and try to live for themselves and their families And not for an uncle who does not care about youth.
        1. -2
          25 September 2022 23: 34
          For what kind of family do young people live? And 60-70 or even more percent of divorces? For these families? Or he lives for himself .. for his pleasures, maybe? Often extremely unhealthy. Pivas, travas .. or even bookmarks .. I didn’t know, I thought once in the yards and corners the syringes stopped crunching under my feet, I thought we basically overcame drug addiction .. smart people opened my eyes - yes, they say everything is in spices, pills, bookmarks and other rubbish .. trouble. In the 90s we survived, others shared. Older and smarter. And who was not afraid of blood, no one's. In general, trouble, but there must be victory. Motherland is when one for all and all for one. Motherland is when together. My uncle, who burned down in a tank near Stalingrad, knew this. Sometimes I can't even explain to myself. How to do God knows only one.
          1. +2
            26 September 2022 07: 13
            I see you don't drink or smoke. And decide what the Motherland is, then one mortgage and the minimum wage to the other yachts and palaces, and the latter teach the first to live. And now the last and most expensive thing is taking LIFE.
            1. -3
              26 September 2022 08: 44
              She saved poverty, only with cheap vodka (right now, the expensive one doesn’t climb, there is no previous courage) and the White Sea Canal dabbled in cigarettes in his youth .. poverty is good! And all the narcotic rubbish comes from these 90s, when liberals and brainwashed people also screamed - you can’t live like that! One Volga and dachas, and others cannot buy a Zhiguli. uhaydakali country, what have you achieved!? the privileges of the party nomenclature compared to what the oligarchs have are tears ... So any destruction of the Motherland and calls for it is a crime! Leading to a terrible number of victims, a million, as the history of Russia shows (compared to 5000 casualties at the front). And calls not to defend it are also enemy propaganda in essence.
              And they would be ashamed! It was in the 90s that it was necessary to survive, to starve, and life was under threat at every turn from petty, and sometimes major crime. Now a young man can always earn money, if he is friends with brains and a computer, then earn a lot! And they drive cool cars and even have real estate. Even the most ordinary person can take a small mortgage and pay it off (unlike the average European), if you don’t thump every day. You have no rest from other people's yachts! And if they put Abramovich or Usmanov in their place, they would have merged in a couple of days, they would have destroyed the business empires on which tens, and sometimes hundreds of thousands of people now depend. Because at such managerial levels you need almost like a Chekist! Cold powerful intellect and steel will, incessant work and control over everything! If more and a warm heart is added
              1. -2
                26 September 2022 08: 49
                and a person will do charity work very well. (Some do this in secret). Other people's yachts do not give you rest! Calm down, they and the property have already been taken away abroad. Sorry!))
                PS and you have a rat on your profile picture.
                I don't like it since childhood.
                1. +1
                  26 September 2022 16: 57
                  Yeah, forgive and forget. Forget the uncured children of sick old people, unbuilt schools and kindergartens, poor old people and broken families from lack of money. Is it to forget? Uh, no, you need to remember this so that you can ask later. But I forgot to ask you what to put on my avatar.
                  1. +1
                    27 September 2022 03: 37
                    It never happens that one is to blame, and the whole country is innocent .. the people believed the liars and did not defend the USSR, and many happily demolished everything that their hands could reach .. it was impossible to betray the achievements of their ancestors and break the ideology entirely. Some argued and shouted right up to their hoarseness that it was impossible to live like this! .. Dzerzhinsky was demolished in droves, they hated the army and the very history of our country, and in fact they denied themselves for the amusement and profit of the West. So they broke the tsarist empire and the USSR. It started with devastation in the minds. In many!
                    However, do not judge, but you will not be judged, it is said from Above!
                    When we get to that Judgment. I'm afraid we will not be up to other people's crimes, but we will be horrified by our own.
                    1. +1
                      27 September 2022 12: 15
                      And you want it to happen now, I don't want to. But we are moving towards this, repeating the path of the late USSR, the authorities also do not want to understand the people and do only one thing to sit. It cannot be assumed that only I love and know what the Motherland needs, and all the other unreasonable ones are only trying to sell it and ruin it. This opinion has always ended very badly for both sides.
                      1. 0
                        27 September 2022 16: 58
                        The opinion during the war is one - the enemy will be defeated, victory will be ours! Otherwise, the kingdom divided in itself will not suit. If we had listened to your calls, we would have been floundering in revolutions since the age of 12 (long and insane destruction). No Crimea at 14, the first place in the world for the production of bread and other agricultural products .. no hypersound, lasers and Sarmatians. A lot of things would not have been engaged in the country again with this destruction!
                        I prefer to trust the KVN (KGB) corporation, which has a planning horizon of up to 50 years ahead, and not anonymous ones from the Internet.
                        And I also like the opinion of Anatoly our light Wasserman. He said that whenever it seemed to him that Vladimir Vladimirovich did wrong, the further course of events showed that Vladimir Vladimirovich was right after all!
    4. +6
      25 September 2022 11: 45
      For half a year they stupidly said that everything was going according to plan, and then "mobilization", albeit partial. They do not admit their mistakes even afterward, but in fact they crap one's pants. And why should the people believe them to the end, although the majority understands that there is no other way. We must go to the end, including tactical nuclear strikes (my understanding). It seems that in March they tried to buy the Ukrainian elite, to appease or agree, but it did not work out. The whole political strategy failed. And everything rolled like it rolled. The Ministry of Defense had to be completely disentangled with small ground forces. And Kharkov could have been taken back in February, if there were an extra 10 thousand troops, because our DRGs were in the center of Kharkov. They also tried to agree on something. It didn't work out. DRG had a nightmare. In retaliation, ours defeated the regional administration and the SBU.
      1. -1
        25 September 2022 13: 06
        Quote: Alexey Lantukh
        They don’t admit their mistakes even afterward, but in fact they crap one’s pants. And why should people believe them to the end,

        - are you talking about the USSR now? About the leader with the People's Commissar - thinly pooping ALL(!!!) personnel Red Army by September 1941?? why should the people believe them - those who said "With little blood, in someone else's theater", and then hop and near Moscow?
        1. 0
          25 September 2022 18: 00
          Rather than talk about the USSR, it is better to comment on what I wrote about. Where am I wrong?
          1. -1
            25 September 2022 20: 45
            Quote: Alexey Lantukh
            Rather than talk about the USSR, it is better to comment on what I wrote about. Where am I wrong?

            I commented - that they lied then - that they are lying now, that they were mistaken then - that now, that they did not admit mistakes then - that now.
            The only difference is that now there are fewer errors. And it is easier to fix them than then.
            1. 0
              25 September 2022 23: 33
              Where did you get what is easier? Much more difficult! Rather, many times more bloody!
              1. +1
                26 September 2022 06: 29
                Quote: Alexey Lantukh
                Rather, many times more bloody!

                Why would it suddenly?
                Minsk-Bialystok operation 1941 - in 10 days, 220 thousand (roughly) loss of spacecraft - killed, captured and wounded. Don't you think that this is more than now in six months?
                But they fought in 1941 not only near Minsk ...
                1. -1
                  26 September 2022 13: 58
                  I don't even want to talk about hundreds, and even tens of thousands. This is definitely not the way of Russia.
                  1. +1
                    26 September 2022 14: 32
                    Quote: Alexey Lantukh
                    I don't even want to talk about hundreds, and even tens of thousands. This is definitely not the way of Russia.

                    you just wrote
                    Quote: your1970
                    The only difference is that now there are fewer errors. And fixing them is easier - than then

                    Quote: Alexey Lantukh
                    Where did you get what is easier? Much more difficult! Or rather, many times more bloody!

                    Then suddenly bam
                    Quote: Alexey Lantukh
                    I don't even want to talk about hundreds, and even tens of thousands. This is definitely not the way of Russia.

                    Why is it bloodier than in 1941 - if losses much less?
                  2. 0
                    26 September 2022 14: 43
                    Losses in WWII were very large, but the scale of the collision with the current cannot be compared!
      2. -1
        25 September 2022 18: 26
        Who and what told you, most likely to a psychiatrist. It's easy to douse the General Staff with feces. Nuclear strikes on Ukraine - your Washington fantasies??? Whose will you hire?
        1. 0
          27 September 2022 22: 04
          Three months ago, about tactical nuclear strikes, which I wrote about, everyone spoke of "atu-atu what he is talking about at all." The topic was generally non-negotiable. Now they are talking about it even at the highest level. Those. this is already a real topic and it may well be the same nuclear strike. Although I am a supporter of an exclusively stratospheric nuclear strike, which generates a strong electromagnetic pulse, in which everything remains intact, with the exception of electronics and electrical engineering. Those. everything that runs on electricity stops working.
    5. +2
      25 September 2022 13: 28
      What is wrong with this fitness trainer? Can you refute his arguments?
      1. -1
        26 September 2022 02: 07
        Quote: Kronos
        Can you refute his arguments?

        I can refute. After two weeks of individual lessons, this piece of meat will love the Motherland more than its fitness, and even a desire to die heroically for it will appear quickly. Well, or return as a hero. We still work poorly with our youth, you know. hi
    6. +1
      26 September 2022 22: 17
      And what can you say about the youth who already live in this very hostile West, that is, the children of officials, oligarchs - is this also a "sleeping fifth column"?
  29. 0
    25 September 2022 09: 20
    Another Staver wall of text is meaningless and merciless. Raguli need to destroy everything to the ground, the more we destroy, the more lives of our soldiers we save. And to feed the raguli after the war, it will be known who is the loser. If Staver wants it to be Russia, then of course there is no need to bomb anything.
  30. +7
    25 September 2022 11: 16
    "This will allow us to strike at all the places where terrorists are trained, where decisions are made, where equipment is made, and so on."
    who doesn't want to do it now? Zarathustra?
  31. 0
    25 September 2022 11: 33
    But this is Israel, we need to mirror all this 1000 times, draw 1000 lines with such a red marker and then we can answer ASEMETRICLY, how.
  32. +1
    25 September 2022 11: 51
    We need to methodically and regularly destroy the Ukrainian ruling elite so that the posts:
    - President of Ukraine
    - Minister of Defense of Ukraine
    - Commander of the SBU
    unequivocally meant a death sentence for the candidate !!!
  33. +5
    25 September 2022 11: 53
    IMHO, again an explanation-article
    and, IMHO, reassuringly wrong.

    Remember how Trump cursed that Europe does not pay to NATO. Keeps the sun at the very minimum.
    And here is a suggestion. Such an incentive. The role of NATO is intensifying. The role of national economies is growing. In the military-industrial complex - golden rain. Sun national - intensifies. NATO is growing. Old stocks are thrown off into business (and not just disposed of). The economy is serving new orders.
    The positions of the local Oligarchy are getting stronger.

    No one will refuse such a Trump!!!!
    How GDP scared everyone from the age of 14 with cartoons, hyper-weapons, petrels and 2000 Armat - he finally succeeded !!!

    Well, the rise in prices - now the oil oligarchs have already cut down the money, the failure of logistics is getting better, they were going to make green energy anyway, the rise in gas-oil prices will only give an incentive to switch over.
  34. +1
    25 September 2022 11: 58
    Quote: iz odessy
    another cry from the soul of an amateur on the "Ukrainian issue" ....... Until the writers learn this question and wake up from the CPSU device, they will not remember
    Remember!
    "KPSS device". - this is when the Ukrainian SSR worked and contributed to the GDP of the USSR.

    And several million Russians moved to live in Ukraine and other republics, because they did not feel bad there ...... Although, with the departure from the "KPSS" they greatly regretted it.

    And if someone's brains are turned inside out and inserted back into the head in this form, these are not our problems.
  35. 0
    25 September 2022 12: 28
    "The whole world" or "Ukraine"? Or a cross, or...
    First, the state "Ukraine", which did not exist before 1991, is already destroyed: no budget, no economy, no institutions. She herself. But the mercenaries of the Pentagon and White Hall go into battle. How a chicken with a severed head continues to run (have you seen this, no? look on YouTube).
    We didn't start the war. The dissolution of the USSR launched bad processes.
    Secondly, the war is not with Ukraine, the war is with the world hegemon. The goal of the world hegemon is world hegemonism and complete control of all world resources. Tell you the address of the world hegemon? You yourself know. Now think about whether the world hegemon can retreat, and what will happen to you if "we" blinks first. Perhaps (possibly, but no one knows the numerical value of the probability), this is the finish line. Well, it has been clear for a long time. The point of no return, if it was passed, then passed a long time ago.
    Conclusion: there is no point in "destroying the used" "for us". You need to start with the main link.
  36. -2
    25 September 2022 12: 42
    Blood from the eyes since February 24 and even earlier ...
    Do I need to release ALL 404? Who will take the western part - Poland, Hungary, Romania? So they are all in NATO. Who calls to give them zapadentsev calls NATO even closer to us. Not enough Finns and Swedes?!
    A cancerous tumor (as well as gangrene) is either completely removed, even grabbing healthy tissues, or the patient is left to die.
    So either a FULL victory, or the infection will spread to us. Of course, I would like to move west to the very Pacific Ocean, but, alas, I can’t imagine how without “... into dust”.
  37. +5
    25 September 2022 12: 44
    It feels like I've read the ravings of a madman. The man closed his eyes and covered his ears, but stubbornly insists that he "sees" through the eyes of others.
  38. 0
    25 September 2022 13: 26
    Alexander Staver - thank you for this article, today I finally saw something that I had not seen in VO for a long time, a discussion. Thanks to all the commentators, too, no matter who holds what position, whether I agree with it or not, today it was really interesting on the branch.
  39. +1
    25 September 2022 13: 59
    First of all, a decision is needed to recognize the Ukrainian authorities as terrorist organizations.

    Such a decision is not made by one country, the decision of the organization is needed, otherwise everything will turn in the opposite direction. The question - whether the UN will make such a decision according to our idea - is rhetorical, the answer to it is known in advance. And if so, then there is no point in such a proposal.
  40. -3
    25 September 2022 14: 14
    There is in Russian, that global Russian of different nationalities, a person, this trait incomprehensible to the West - “strangers to tear their uniforms”, while completely not caring about their own. For the sake of victory, we are ready to die. Your uniform is not important, something else is important, inexplicable, but present in most Russians

    Damn right lump in the throat .. crying There is something in our genetic code that is incomprehensible, and even to ourselves ..
    I always remember, in such cases, an interview (long ago) of a Liberal reporter with a WWII Veteran ..
    repor; So you defended the country, fought against enemies and still won
    And the current generation will be able to fight like yours like that? ..
    Veteren (thinking for a minute): Yes, he can definitely, the code in their head will work at the right time .. We had something like that .. We must and went forward!.
  41. +3
    25 September 2022 14: 36
    Quote from gansales

    And the current generation will be able to fight like yours like that? ..
    Veteren (thinking for a minute): Yes, he can definitely, the code in their head will work at the right time .. We had something like that .. We must and went forward!.
    Well, just shoot a patriotic film. Not enough only severe courageous and menacingly moving their jaws and "codes" in their heads. ........

    It is necessary, and they gouged their country in 1991.! Sami. In addition to the current generation and the generation of the Second World War, there is also the generation of the current pennies, who betrayed everything in the world: both the oath and the March 1991 referendum and the victims of October 1993.
    SO DON'T LIE. Normal people are already sick of your filthy lies and hypocrisy.
  42. +1
    25 September 2022 15: 00
    Naive questions, however, are being asked. Bandera must be deprived of power within the framework of the tasks of the NWO. This is the first task of the SVO. Zelensky and his accomplices should be removed from power. It is necessary to deprive the Armed Forces of Ukraine of the opportunity in general, in principle, to conduct military operations. This is the alphabet for first graders. The command and control system of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Security Service of Ukraine must be liquidated, i.е. the entire high command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the SBU was liquidated. The Bandera military industry, all the most important military units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine must be de-energized, deprived of electricity and water supply (substations, power lines disabled). Transport communications on the outskirts of combat zones in key places should be disabled. It is necessary to deprive the Armed Forces of the communication system. As soon as the high command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and Zelensky are removed, the fighters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will scatter to their homes. None of them want to fight. It is necessary to cut off gas supplies to the square. First, give a period, 5 days, for the surrender of Bandera, and then shut off the gas valve. The population of the square should be informed that as soon as they disperse the Bandera elite in Ukraine, Russia will immediately supply gas to Ukraine at reduced prices. Other details will be provided separately if needed.
  43. +2
    25 September 2022 15: 09
    It is necessary to hit the infrastructure, railway, electricity, gas pipeline, nothing else is needed - they themselves will come out for negotiations.
  44. ata
    +1
    25 September 2022 15: 25
    In order to better understand the strategy of military operations, it is necessary to initially arrange the scenery correctly:


    In essence, the citizens of the Soviet Union mutually destroy each other, and the foreign owners of the establishment of both sides of the conflict throw one of the parties
    weapons, moreover, in quantities that are necessary for the war to continue forever, so they destroy our Soviet people for the price of these weapons and it is not in the interests of the owners of the ruling cliques to stop this war.

    From a purely military point of view, it can only be won by a complete victory over the so-called Ukraine, therefore, the most important and correct from the very beginning is to strike from Belarus to Transnistria along the western border, cutting it off from the supply of Western weapons. If this were done first, the war would already would have ended because Zelensky would simply have nothing to fight with.

    An additional advantage of this approach would be that the destruction associated with military operations would take place in the western part of the so-called. Ukraine, where there are many Banderites and where the military-political leadership and special services of the puppet regime come from. Instead, the Russian-speaking part of Ukraine is being destroyed.

    And this despite the fact that the main forces and fortifications, which have been preparing for eight years, are concentrated in the Donbass, and there is practically nothing in the direction of Lviv, Ivano-Frankivsk, Ternopil. During World War II, Germany, instead of head-butting against the impregnable French defenses, simply bypassed the French Maginot Line through Belgium and conquered Framcia in forty days.

    Some political leaders don't want to win the war, they just want to go back west, to the stolen Soviet property, to their mistresses and children.

    The fact that the Russian Federation and Ukraine are de jure illegal pseudo-states on the territory of the USSR makes no sense in trying to legitimize the actions of the Russian Federation in Ukraine, a de facto victory is necessary. And stupid and thieving clerks, whose only skill is plundering the budget, is not the scale of individuals who would be able to do it, even if they wanted to. Therefore, along with a military solution, a political solution must also be found.



    Comrades, why doesn't voting for this or that comment work for me?
  45. -2
    25 September 2022 15: 27
    I believe that after the gas supply from Russia to the square is cut off. Zelensky and the entire leadership of NATO will fall to their knees and crawl tearfully begging Putin to restore the gas supply on any terms. And Macron, von der Klein and Scholz will re-educate Zelensky with kicks.
  46. -1
    25 September 2022 16: 14
    Stirred a hornet's nest with a stick - b. Ukraine, now we are tugging at NATO, that they stood up for them with other evil spirits. The European Union with the US, that is. The euro and the dollar fell, no Biden, Liz Truss - compare with the child of an alcoholic, the appearance is the same, Scholz - just add a mustache. Well, we bring down everyone, and here b. ukraine and money. Although the joint venture - 2 - we will come, and 3 lard somehow forgot Yanukovych's loan.
  47. 0
    25 September 2022 16: 23
    In my opinion, an ordinary layman, that in order to eliminate or at least reduce the number of sources of threats to our country in the future, to reduce the variability and potential opportunities for hostile "decision-making centers", it is necessary to carry out quick and radically tough work for this, and the factor time is decisive. All hostile, having no actual sovereignty, the so-called. state formations that never existed before modern history (the beginning of the last century), primarily on the territory of the Republic of Ingushetia, as having no traditions of statehood, unable to build an adequate capable state that meets the interests of its citizens, for humanitarian reasons, in order to eliminate the genocide of its people and ensuring historical justice, strengthening the further security of the Russian Federation, all these misunderstandings created by stupidity and misunderstanding, with help. betrayal and crime, must be eliminated forever, without any mythical tolerance, nationality, and become part of the Russian Federation as regions, regions, with the return of historical toponymy, for example, Tallinn - further to choose from: Kolyvan, Lindanise, Reval and Revel.
    Of course, for this it is necessary, first of all, to restore a normal, social and attractive statehood for others, without total lies and hypocrisy as it is now. It is necessary to liquidate the inherited class society, where personnel policy is built not on the basis of professionalism and knowledge, science and creativity, but not on the basis of nepotism, crime, personal connections and schemes. It is necessary to nationalize our own so-called. elites and their (our) capitals, their total replacement, when the civil service was viewed as a service and honor, and not like today, a personal business project, "life is good", when honor, prosperity and privileges are due to personal merits, not to superiors , and before the country, this is a huge responsibility (in the truest sense of the word), and not the "thickness of the wallet" and does not depend on relatives, connections and "temperature in the guest bathhouse." After that, it will be possible to consider in detail the issues of planned development and prosperity of the country.
  48. +1
    25 September 2022 17: 06
    To afftor. You can not confuse the concepts of country and state, and this afftor is all mixed up, which is strange from the point of view of education. It is impossible to allow the current Zelensky-type state to nightmare the people of free Ukraine for so long (if it is still appropriate to talk about this country or state). You just need to seal tightly the supply of weapons from the Nazi Geyropa to the territory of Ukraine. And you can do it through the efforts of the Aerospace Forces, special forces, which modern generals forgot about, or did not remember. Up to the use of tactical nuclear weapons in logistical places. It's cheap and average. Biden? Give him pants for every bunch. But our young warriors, the inhabitants of Ukraine, will be alive and well, they will bring us a new generation of free people.
  49. -1
    25 September 2022 17: 57
    The Anglo-Saxons do not bother when they erased the cities of the Third Reich into dust.
    Problems must be dealt with as they come. If, in order to save the lives of people in the Donbass and our guys fighting there, it is necessary to turn the energy and transport of the Reich's coming out into dust, then this must be done. Then we'll figure out how to restore. No watermarked paper is worth our people dying to save it.
  50. +2
    25 September 2022 19: 52
    I agree with many things, but I would like evidence for this passage: "I also read documents from Western sources, where they openly order Kyiv to continue to strike at the infrastructure of the LDNR and the liberated territories," or the author is close to the regime and shares with him, or is simply lying .
  51. +1
    25 September 2022 20: 48
    Yes, the Ukrainians themselves will turn it into dust. In any case, Russia will have to restore Ukraine.
    1. 0
      27 September 2022 19: 23
      In Ukraine there is such an expression in relation to a girl - if I don’t get it, no one will get it. They have the same attitude towards the country.
  52. -1
    25 September 2022 22: 39
    Alexander, thanks!
    At first I wanted to comment and support in some places, but there were so many places, and I’m just writing that, in fact, I fully support. The differences that I would write are like the difference in the number of peppers drawn on hot ketchup.
    We are taking SVO to a new level. To the level of an anti-terrorist operation! In this case, the perpetrators will also become legitimate targets. That is, the personal destruction of terrorists anywhere will become a legal military operation.

    This is the main thing! Enough of the verbal games, let's get to work. The UG and its structures have long become terrorists. And one conversation with them is destruction.
  53. 0
    25 September 2022 23: 27
    Here he writes that Nazi pseudo-countries, fshatsky professional networks, will seize the West 404, so why then preserve the infrastructure? Destroy everything that is possible there and let all sorts of Polands be restored later.
  54. 0
    25 September 2022 23: 40
    Our partners give us a new idea. Where did this even come from - a nuclear strike on the outskirts? It’s a no-brainer that a strike on the traitors’ energy system will be much more effective. Moreover, this will come in handy in light of Europe’s problems with energy /in winter/, and the outskirts still supply it there.
    If you don't delay, you can cope with the extreme cold. We will have time to restore something, transfer it somewhere from our territory /for example, from the energy dar /...
    As for “everything is in ruins,” it’s clear to all the world that if this step is taken, it will be done right over the head—that is, in America. And even then not now, but when she is in artificial discord with herself.
  55. 0
    26 September 2022 00: 27
    Somehow, a lot of similar publications and all sorts of blogs began to appear. A beautiful text pattern that still needs to be re-read a couple of times. And so, with gentle steps, they push public opinion: there’s no need to bring the whole of Ukraine to its senses, otherwise, they say, the people there won’t understand and will be offended by this and that, now we’ll hold referendums and happiness will come... And now it’s mobilization, it seems like it’s already there on the other side of the Dnieper, almost everyone crap themselves... Yes, they didn’t crap themselves there. And they will only get worse and angrier there if we stop now. Let's give it at least a little more slack. So they have already given with interest. On the smallest piece of the remains of the former Ukraine they will create such an abscess pumped up with everything, the edges have been lost for a long time, that the current North Military District will seem to us like the “West 2022” exercises
    Isn't it a shame?
  56. -1
    26 September 2022 01: 35
    We need to move on to maximum cruelty towards civilians, by drinking and using nuclear weapons, otherwise this can be delayed for a long time.
    The softness of the methods has already discredited itself. All this will be endless and we will all go into the trenches
    But for this we need youth
  57. -1
    26 September 2022 12: 39
    As long as the West continues to help Ukraine, we will stagnate for a long time. Both Ukrainians and our Russians will die. We must destroy the West, everything has gone too far. We exchange lives and destroy in exchange for what? Western security? Are we afraid of a retaliatory strike on Russia? Or do we comply with international laws that no one observes? Ukraine, its people are our people, Kherson and Zaporozhye proved this in a referendum, so no nuclear strikes on Ukraine, only on the West.
  58. 0
    26 September 2022 15: 28
    What kind of thesis is “liberate Ukraine” anyway?
    Ukraine has a president.
    Which was chosen by the MAJORITY of citizens of Ukraine. That is, citizens support the regime.
    Therefore, we are not talking about liberation, but about changing a regime that we do not like.
    Enough with the idle talk already.

    There is strong resistance to Russia in Ukraine. It is obvious. The sheep who say that all citizens of Ukraine dream of “liberation”... well, they are sheep.

    No, that's not true. This is a separate state. In which 30+ million people and a huge part of this population are enemies of Russia.
    They must be killed.
    Stop moaning already.
    The enemy must be destroyed
    We are not talking about the liberation of the mythical Ukraine, but about the destruction of the enemy.
    1. +1
      26 September 2022 22: 46
      Of course, there are many enemies of Russia in Ukraine. However, the majority, at least in the east of Ukraine, are people who don’t care about Russia or Ukraine, as long as there is peace and more or less comfort.
      1. 0
        28 September 2022 15: 52
        Didn't you graduate from BSMI? I remember your last name, it’s not you on the alumni website.
  59. +2
    26 September 2022 15: 47
    It is naive to hope that the Kiev regime ITSELF will fall, that the West will get tired of supporting it.... “Free Ichkeria” held out in much worse conditions, and so did German fascism... And in war, destruction is inevitable, during the Second World War we fought liberated our entire occupied territory. - Yes, at the same time, many ruins remained, destroyed cities and villages, but all this was later restored, and it was at least strange to hope that economic problems would force Hitler and his Reich to leave our lands.. .Moral: sanctions are sanctions, economic pressure will take its course, but we will have to fight....
  60. +1
    27 September 2022 19: 21
    What happened in the war with the French, that they fought like that because the people were afraid that things would get worse. We understand our nobles, but how can we understand a guard? The same story happened with the Germans. A few years before the war, many appeared in stores. Prices fell and there was no unemployment. There was such a theory - a man should work, and a woman should look after the children, so that they attend school, and what food is prepared for the one who comes home from work. This is what they fought for. My father told me that we fought for the country that we created with our own hands. There was also such a motto - we will win and we will live even better. Therefore, prices began to decrease and the construction of free apartments and houses for the people began. This is what they fought for. My father told my mother when it was broadcast on the radio that Stalin had died. Dad told mom that everything was kaput for the country. Hitler stole the slogan of three K. Kinder, Küche, Kirche about the appointment of a woman. Children, kitchen, church.
  61. 0
    28 September 2022 09: 55
    This means that it will be at the end of autumn - beginning of winter that it will become hot in European capitals from street rallies. European politicians will clearly have no time for Ukraine.

    To make the rallies in winter useless, they blew up the gas pipelines of the joint venture.
  62. 0
    28 September 2022 10: 05
    Quote: Andrey A
    It is naive to hope that the Kiev regime will fall ITSELF, that the West will get tired of supporting it...

    As a last resort, during the winter Maidan, they will declare Zelya an enemy of the people to let off steam and install Zaluzhny. And then spring... to be continued only without the clown.
  63. 0
    9 October 2022 20: 03
    Quote: bayard
    MI6 and the CIA forestalled all these efforts, arrested Medvedchuk and his supporters ahead of time, and on February 24.02.2022, XNUMX. forces of English special forces and Azov shot all the generals in the building of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the ENTIRE headquarters of the southern group (in Mariupol)!


    Very likely.
    This is MI6 style.
    Under the late Judas (Gorbachev), they were fierce in Moscow, even slaughtering the families of officers.
    Besides them, only MOSSAD works this way; they don’t even hesitate to kill children.