Iranian Air Force commander: The issue of the purchase of Russian Su-35 fighters will be resolved in the near future

Iran does not refuse to purchase Su-35 multifunctional fighters from Russia, the deal is on the agenda, but the final decision on this has not yet been made. This was stated by the commander of the Iranian Air Force, Brigadier General Hamid Vahedi.

As of today, Iran is not considering purchasing Su-30SM fighters from Russia, which has been repeatedly stated earlier, the priority is the purchase of multifunctional Su-35 fighters. This issue is under consideration and should be resolved in the near future, but at the moment there is no final decision.

This issue is on the agenda, and I hope we will be able to get these 4++ generation fighters in the future (...) the final decision on the purchase of Su-35 fighters in Russia remains with the command of the Army and the General Staff of the Iranian Armed Forces

Vahedi said.

The fact that Tehran intends to purchase an "Egyptian" batch of Su-35 fighters from Russia was discussed at the end of last year. Egypt, for which the planes were made, was forced to withdraw from the deal under pressure from the United States, and the fate of the fighters "hung in the air." Iran turned up just in time, which desperately needs a plane capable of withstanding the Israeli F-35I Adir, which, after modernization, received the opportunity to fly to Iran without refueling. According to Western experts, it is the Su-35 that is the only fighter capable of fighting the American F-35s. Therefore, now on the agenda of the Iranian Air Force is the purchase of the Su-35, and not the Su-30SM, which are much cheaper.

In early August, it was reported that Tehran allegedly signed a contract for Russian Su-35s back in July during a visit to Iran by Russian President Vladimir Putin. Then there was evidence that Russia had exchanged with Iran according to the scheme: "fighters on Drones". But no confirmation or denial has been received from either Moscow or Tehran. Judging by the statement of the commander of the Iranian Air Force, the deal has not yet taken place.

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[Flooding]

Egypt, for which the planes were produced, was forced to withdraw from the deal under pressure from the United States, and the fate of the fighters "hung in the air."

I wonder how much the rejection cost Egypt.
After all, the terms of such contracts provide for serious penalties and penalties.
If the aircraft were produced, then there must have been a partial prepayment.
Russian taxpayers would be pleased to know that several hundred million dollars in prepayments were not returned to the Egyptian side due to the refusal of the purchase.

[gansales]

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I wonder how much the rejection cost Egypt.
After all, the terms of such contracts provide for serious penalties and penalties.

Don't care about the cowardly Egyptian, etc.
Finally, we will calmly begin mutually beneficial cooperation with Iran
Air defense - missile defense .. Here are modern fighters ..
I suggested this for a long time .. Looks like the time has come!
Let's start squeezing the United States out of BV and putting Israel in its place ..
And then they bombed there, they just raise the aircraft and wet it through the residential areas of the Arab countries ..
Well, Israel, the United States will help you now .. Or you will go to negotiations and pay indemnities to the Arab neighboring countries for EVERYTHING .. This is how things begin, and Russia warned you and asked for help .. And you were all sarcastic ..
Now let's see .. Get away from you again, a wave of Russian Jews went back to Russia. Everyone is running back and forth khe khe

[Krasnodar]

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they just raise the aircraft and wet it through the residential areas of the Arab countries ..

Knowing the population density of the Arab quarters, after the first such blow, the stench of Israeli aggression to the whole world will stand - all European liberals, LGBT and Vitaly will rightly resent Jewish aggression against the freedom-loving peoples of the Middle East

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Or you will go to negotiations and pay indemnities to the Arab neighboring countries for EVERYTHING

For the war started and lost by the Arabs?

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Get away from you again, a wave of Russian Jews went back to Russia

Yes, now everyone has been blown up to trade with Russia - there is a shortage

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Everyone is running back and forth heh heh

But those Russian non-Jews who have at least one Jewish grandfather / grandmother, on the contrary, rushed to Israel for permanent residence
These are the things for the submariners of the First Cavalry - I feel the genes, men

[Boa kaa]

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Su-35 is not a panacea for Heil Avir. If they gave the F-22 to the Persians - then Az oh en vey in kind, they would have to produce a bunch of BR with powerful conventional stuffing.

Flattered by such a detailed response to my post! BUT ! Let's leave the political questions. Let's look at the military.
1. The Su-35S still sees the F-35 with on-board means of detecting subtle ATs. There is documentary evidence of this from the SAR.
2. Israel does not have a space group for continuous coverage of VO on the theater of operations, as the Yankees do in Ukraine. Therefore, they will have to "shine". And this is a loss of secrecy.
3. If the IRI buys our K-77 (r-37) sides in a set of man-portable weapons, then they will have an advantage in launch range. And this is the start of a battle on favorable terms for the attacker.
4. Yes, the Israelis have more modern combat experience than the Persians. But we do not know what our flyers in the FACE and the center of combat use can teach them. Ours, they are also not sewn with a bast.
5. About the F-22. The Yankees don't sell them to anyone, not even to Jews. But, I'm afraid, if they meet with our Su-57s, then another grandmother for two said who will be the first to sing the "swan" song.
6. Everyone stubbornly insists that ROFARs are already on the way. And this is the death of an inconspicuous enemy aircraft.
Therefore, not everything is as clear as it seems at first glance.
AHA.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

The Su-35S still sees the F-35 with on-board means for detecting subtle ATs. There is documentary evidence of this from the SAR.

The question is, from what distance and who sees whom before and what can be done about it and how to counter it

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Israel does not have a space constellation for continuous coverage of VO on a theater of operations, as the Yankees do in Ukraine. Therefore, they will have to "shine". And this is a loss of secrecy.

Yes, monitoring 24/7

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If the IRI buys our K-77 (r-37) sideboards in a set of wearable weapons, then they will have an advantage in launch range. And this is the start of a battle on favorable terms for the attacker.

Attention!

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

Yes, the Israelis have more modern combat experience than the Persians. But we do not know what our flyers in the FACE and the center of combat use can teach them. Ours, they are also not sewn with a bast.

honestly I do not know. Especially in terms of air combat. They have 2,5 times less annual flight time than the Israelis, but with a mess in Ukraine, they have more experience in air combat.

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

About the F-22. The Yankees don't sell them to anyone, not even to Jews. But, I'm afraid, if they meet with our Su-57s, then another grandmother for two said who will be the first to sing the "swan" song.

The Yankee has less ZPR, the pilots have more annual flying time, and the Amers skillfully work precisely for large groups - their interaction is super.

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Everyone stubbornly insists that ROFARs are already on the way. And this is the death of an inconspicuous enemy aircraft.
Therefore, not everything is as clear as it seems at first glance.

I can't say anything Until they introduce it, until then and there .. who knows
So far, I see, regardless of Iran with the Jews, one thing is that no work was done against air defense or it was done through the ass.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

The Su-35S still sees the F-35 with on-board means of detecting subtle VTs

Seeing and pointing weapons are two big differences.

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Israel does not have a space constellation

There are nine machines. Plus there is a direct connection to the US satellite early warning system.

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If the IRI buys our K-77 (r-37) sideboards in a set of wearable weapons, then they will have an advantage in launch range.

Such missiles are designed to destroy large, clumsy targets, tankers, AWACS, bombers.
The fighter easily dodges from such.
Yes, and the electronic warfare systems existing in Israel have clearly shown in Syria, the total suppression of the GOS missiles. One plane was shot down only because the pilot relaxed before landing and turned off the protection systems.

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But we do not know what our flyers in the FACE and the center of combat use can teach them.

We know, to throw unguided bombs at slippers without air defense. The experience of the NWO clearly put everything in its place. The IDF Air Force would have suppressed all the air defenses of Ukraine, to the full depth in no more than 2-3 weeks. Simply because it has a wider range of tools and incommensurably more experience in such operations.

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About the F-22. The Yankees don't sell them to anyone, not even to Jews. But, I'm afraid, if they meet with our Su-57s, then another grandmother for two said who will be the first to sing the "swan" song.

It depends not only on aircraft, the Air Force is a system. The time of wunderwaffles ended in the Second World War.

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Everyone stubbornly insists that ROFARs are already on the way

When they come, then we'll talk.
Everyone has a lot of things "on the way", including Israel, just not everyone brandishes it publicly, in the desperate hope of intimidating potential adversaries.
In Israel, ROFAR technology was mastered back in 2016.
https://www.technion.ac.il/en/2016/05/19138/

[And Us Rat]

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"Azochen Way" is rapidly approaching!

Again?

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Iran's nuclear program continues...

Until it ends, forcibly, forcibly.

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With the receipt of the Su-35

Those who ukroVVS can't put to rest for six months? Yes, even in such scanty quantities? 12 cars? Chickens for laughs.

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and when Iran will have a BOMB

That IRI has every chance to end, if there are no brains at all.

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The dragon is gaining strength and threatens to throw Orlan off the mountain top...

And?

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

it's time to think about peace with neighbors

So with all the neighbors, the world is already so, well, except for the most stubborn ones. Have you been in hibernation since the 70s?

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proportionate to territory and population

This is the yardstick for the 19th century, not the 21st.

[And Us Rat]

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Putting Israel in its place ..

Russia demanded that Iran remove its military bases in Central and Western Syria.
https://haqqin.az/news/258686

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Now let's see..

Director of the Department for the Middle East and North Africa of the Russian Foreign Ministry Alexander Kinshchak:
We consider it unjustified and counterproductive to try to dramatize this situation (the lawsuit against Sokhnut) and project it onto the whole complex of multifaceted Russian-Israeli relations, which are traditionally friendly,” Kinshchak said.
The ambassador stressed that Moscow is determined to "further offensive development" of relations between Russia and Israel.
https://rtvi.com/news/mid-situacziyu-vokrug-sohnuta-nelzya-proeczirovat-na-otnosheniya-s-izrailem/

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and pay indemnities

[paul3390]

I don’t think that ours began to pinch Egypt with the demand for forfeits .. Still, the Egyptians themselves were put in the position of a drinking deer, so they are quite friendly towards us. It didn’t grow together here - we’ll play in another place. At the same nuclear power plant and other weapons. Why quarrel out of the blue? And the planes - and to attach where we find, and to the extreme - will come in handy ourselves. Avon what in the world is going on...

[Flooding]

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I don’t think that ours began to pinch Egypt with a demand for penalties .. Still, the Egyptians themselves were put in the pose of a drinking deer, so they are quite friendly towards us

I agree that Egypt is an important partner of Russia in North Africa.
On the other hand, business does not forgive softness.
Perhaps they came to a compromise in the form of a set-off for other contracts.

[bobwings]

Wow, it's scary, it's scary.
Judging by the performance of the Su-35 in Ukraine, and especially their epic falls at the beginning of the war, the Israeli Air Force will destroy them effortlessly.
In general, it would be nice if Iran, having received these aircraft, transferred a few to Syria. How much can Israeli pilots train on Hezbalon drones.

[bayard]

Quote: bobwings

Judging by the performance of the Su-35 in Ukraine, and especially their epic falls at the beginning of the war, the Israeli Air Force will destroy them effortlessly.

Don't say "gop", Boris, the Su-35S has interceptions (without a fight and shooting down, of course) of both the F-22 and F-35. About what the photo reports were presented. Moreover, Israeli pilots will have to engage in battle with them at the limit of the radius, in the area of ​​\u35b\uXNUMXbthe Iranian air defense. And the Iranian radar stations of the meter and decameter (ZGRLS "Sunflower") range will detect the approach of Israeli fighters and give (albeit inaccurate) target designation / provide guidance to the Iranian Su-XNUMXS. Which will carry out additional reconnaissance and capture targets with their OLS in a passive mode.
They will be able to destroy Israeli aircraft from an average distance (up to 50 km.) Or in close combat, in which the Su-35 with their maneuverability will have an advantage.
Here is such a (approximately) picture of the battle awaits you.
Much, of course, will be determined by the qualifications of the pilots and many other factors. And the balance of power also matters. 18 - 24 Su-35S is not God knows what an armada. But over time, their numbers can reach values ​​that are unpleasant for Israel as well.

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In general, it would be nice if Iran, having received these aircraft, transferred a few to Syria. How much can Israeli pilots train on Hezbalon drones.

This is unlikely to happen.
Why would Iran transfer a few Su-35S to Syria?
Especially "several".
And near the borders of Israel, Russian Su-35S have been flying for a long time.

[dauria]

They will be able to destroy Israeli aircraft from an average distance (up to 50 km.) Or in close combat, in which the Su-35 with their maneuverability will have an advantage.

Maneuverability at modern distances
rocket melee does nothing. Angular movement at a distance of only 8 km - a fly crawling on glass in any "vertiginous maneuver". Here in the first place will be tactics (and here the Jews are masters and dirty tricks), the launch range (it also depends on the contrast of the target) and the supply of missiles. At medium distances, it’s even worse - the Jews will be able to use missiles with a combined seeker earlier. Even turning on the locator on some F-35s will not help the Iranians - they will see that they are irradiating, but they still won’t be able to shoot (“fly in that direction” - so the missiles still can’t) Alas.
Oh, yes, "can dodge." Figushki, a rocket can be deceived by electronic warfare and infrared, but not "twisted". They have an overload for 40, with a difference in speeds twice, just the aircraft "nine" comes out.

[bayard]

Quote: dauria

Here tactics will come first (and here the Jews are masters and dirty tricks)

This cannot be taken away from them, perhaps the best pilots they had, apparently, remained.

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launch range (also depends on the contrast of the target) and the supply of missiles.

This is if you use radar. I described the option when, according to target designation from a meter ground-based radar, the Su-35SE enters the detection zone and searches for the OLS, which is very good for it. Moreover, it does not hit the target on the forehead. Detects, captures, and works out with a missile / missiles with an infrared head. In full radio silence.
If the Israeli F-35s receive radar support from their own \"rented" AWACS aircraft, and turn on the radar during the attack, then they will immediately detect themselves. So you can turn on your Irbis and Su-35SE, which, although not AFAR, is much more powerful and will be completely seen at the F-35 missile launch range.
And we immediately draw an almost ideal duel situation.
EW?
Yes, Israel is doing well with this. But after all, they will operate off the Iranian coast / borders , which means that their ground-based electronic warfare and electronic warfare systems can help Iranian aviation in this mess.
And of course, in a real battle, a lot depends on the qualifications of the pilot.
But Iranian air defense systems will not doze off either. And houses and walls help.
But it will not be easy for Israel to fight off the massive launch of Iran's ballistic and cruise missiles.
So with such a war and such risks, I would not start without a critical need.
But Israel always thinks differently and in perpendicular logic ... so I would not rule out any of the possible scenarios.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: dauria

"fly in that direction" - so the rockets are not yet able to

They know how. The LOAL (capture after launch) function is found in many modern missiles, including Israeli ones.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: bayard

Su-35 with their maneuverability will have an advantage

Unless in a cannon battle, if everyone runs out of missiles. The probability is about the same as that of a knife fight between two special forces who managed to ... love somewhere with a machine gun, pistol, grenades, their entire squad, and then find each other.
The BVB "Python-5" rocket does not vilify any maneuverability, it can be launched from a flying anvil, at an enemy hanging on its tail, just look at the enemy and press start.

[bayard]

Quote: And Us Rat

it can be launched from a flying anvil, at an enemy hanging on its tail, just look at the enemy and press start.

This is of course wonderful. But for this you still need to see the enemy. If the enemy (interceptor) comes at you not on the forehead and detects his OLS at a distance of 50 km. , then it is he who will be the first to launch such a rocket.
F-35 will go to their targets under the guidance and target designation of the AWACS aircraft?
This is an argument.
But if the events take place off the coast / borders of Iran, then not only their ground-based radars will help Iran, but also their ground-based electronic warfare systems (if they are not there, then Russia will gladly supply them), which can jam the AWACS aircraft radars, and if not completely suppress (which is not easy), then at least sharply limit the range of their vision.
And the Iranian Su-35S will be able to fully use this.
when the Israelis turn on the radar on the F-35, the situation immediately turns into a duel, because the Su-35S radar is much more powerful and the F-35 will be able to detect it just at the turn of their RSD launch. And then everything will depend on the qualifications of the pilots and many other factors that can tip the scales in any direction.
Do not forget that the F-35s will be there at the limit of their range, and the Iranians will be at home. And they will be helped by their air defense system, which, in addition to the Su-35S, intends to receive up to a dozen divisions only S-400.
It’s not that I’m trying to dissuade you from such actions ... for Russia, such a war would probably have gone into profit, against the backdrop of current energy prices ...
Yes, and this will not save from Iranian missiles (ballistic and cruise) ... It may, on the contrary, aggravate it.
But here the choice is entirely yours.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: bayard

and detects its OLS at a distance of 50 km

OLS is not exclusive, everyone has it, this is the first.
ERP Su-35, according to statements - 2 m² without weapons and tanks. AFAR detects such a target from a distance significantly exceeding 50 km, this is the second.
Israel has some of the best active anti-homing systems in the world, both radar and infrared.

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then not only their ground-based radars will help Iran

Radars that will be affected by technologically superior electronic warfare systems. In fact, almost blind.

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ground-based electronic warfare

They have nothing serious, and the Russian Federation will not deliver. The RF produces essentially powerful jammers.
Sources of interference are taken out with a bang by missiles aimed at the source of radiation, so modern electronic warfare works to try to deceive, not drown out. But! For the production of modern electronic warfare, powerful processors are needed that will overtake the processors of a deceived radar in terms of computing power in order to overtake its detuning from interference. Processors that the Russian Federation does not produce.

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and if not completely suppressed (which is not easy), then at least sharply limit the range of their vision.

To do this, you need to find their bearing, which is difficult when you yourself are blinded.

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And the Iranian Su-35S will be able to take full advantage of this

The chance of this is scanty, unless you are lucky by chance.

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when the Israelis turn on the radar on the F-35, the situation immediately turns into a duel, because the Su-35S radar is much more powerful and the F-35 will be able to detect it just at the turn of their RSD launch

Detecting a target and capturing it is a huge difference. The Su-35 will see the F-35 from afar only on long waves, on which target acquisition is impossible. And an anti-fighter missile is needed, telegraph poles flying hundreds of kilometers will simply not hit, maneuverability in the final section will not be enough.
In addition, the PFAR, unlike the AFAR, cannot perform the functions of suppressing the missile seeker (in the frontal projection) with a narrow high-energy beam. That is, head-on fire on aircraft with AFAR, which has the function of electronic warfare, radar missiles is ineffective.

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that the F-35s will be there at the limit of their range

What are the controllers for?
And there will be not only F-35s.

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up to a dozen divisions only S-400

For its effective use, it must be included in a network-centric system, which Iran does not have and will not see in the coming decades, in which everyone should be - the Air Force, AWACS, air defense, electronic warfare, as a single organism.
Without this, it is just a target, the destruction of which is a matter of planning and resources. Electronic warfare + a wave of kamikaze drones + a salvo of anti-radar missiles will take out any prodigy, a question of money for consumables.
In the end, a ground robot, the size of a dog, crawls up to 1.5 km and shoots the radar from a 50-caliber high-explosive incendiary.

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Yes, and this will not save from Iranian missiles (ballistic and cruise) ... It may, on the contrary, aggravate.

Can not. They have few BRs of the required range. KR are good against Papuans like Syria or Ukraine, and small things must be dragged to Syria, closer to the Israeli border. They try, but Israel stops them - destroying warehouses, assembly shops and convoys.

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But here the choice is entirely yours.

No, the choice is up to Iran, it is enough for them to abandon their idiotic plans to destroy Israel and stop supplying terrorists.

[bayard]

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OLS is not exclusive, everyone has it, this is the first.

This is true, but the F-35 OLS, at best, has the same range. So the chances of using OLS by both sides will be approximately equal.

Quote: And Us Rat

ERP Su-35, according to statements - 2 m² without weapons and tanks. AFAR detects such a target from a distance significantly exceeding 50 km,

If the F-35 turns on its radar for radiation, then the Su-35 will immediately detect it and turn on its own ... And the chances will again be approximately equal. "Irbis" has a much greater impulse power and detection range, because the F-35 with an internal suspension of ammunition, it will detect from a distance of 100 km +, and if the F-35 opens the wings to launch a rocket a little earlier, then the detection range thereof will immediately increase.
By the way, a launched medium and long-range explosive missile can be shot down with R-77M explosive missiles, and since the Su-35S has much more ammunition than the F-35 in the fuselage, then ...

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Israel has some of the best active anti-homing systems in the world, both radar and infrared.

And so it is. But modern VV SD missiles have the function of targeting the source of interference when suppressing the radar seeker. So your suppression stations themselves can become a "beacon" for pointing such a seeker. This function was still in some missiles from the USSR.

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Radars that will be affected by technologically superior electronic warfare systems. In fact, almost blind.

For taking a bearing to the source of interference, this will not be a problem. And two such ground-based radars using the triangulation method will give the location of the jammer. And I repeat - both the missile defense system, and the RVVSD, and the RVVBD have the function of pointing at the source of interference.

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They have nothing serious, and the Russian Federation will not deliver. The RF produces essentially powerful jammers.
Sources of interference with a bang are carried out by missiles aimed at the source of radiation

And these PRLR missiles are quite successfully shot down by air defense systems covering stationary radars and heavy air defense systems. As a rule, these are Pantsir-S and Thor.

Quote: And Us Rat

Electronic warfare works to try to deceive, not to drown out. But! For the production of modern electronic warfare, powerful processors are needed that will overtake the processors of the deceived radar in terms of computing power in order to overtake its detuning from interference. Processors that the Russian Federation does not produce.

For ground-based EW facilities there are no such restrictions on weight and dimensions as for their aviation version, therefore it is quite possible to implement EW on parallel cascades of less powerful processors. But I do not argue that Israel has an advantage in electronic warfare and radar systems. I just reminded that the attacking group of the Israeli side will have to deal simultaneously with ground-based radar, electronic warfare, radar, air defense systems, as well as Iranian Su-35S fighters. And in such conditions, this raid can be at least disrupted or weakened. But the answer is already for you ... you may not like it.
But of course, in order to adequately counter Iran, it is necessary to seriously re-equip its Air Force and Air Defense.
And he has such an opportunity.

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To do this, you need to find their bearing, which is difficult when you yourself are blinded.

There is no difficulty here - the source of interference is taken in the passive mode, incl. and conventional suppressed radar. The source of interference will illuminate itself.

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Quote: bayard
And the Iranian Su-35S will be able to take full advantage of this

The chance of this is scanty, unless you are lucky by chance.

Let me remind you that the Su-35S has already intercepted the F-22 and F-35 in the passive mode with the help of OLS, and this turned out to be a complete surprise for the intercepted.

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The Su-35 will see the F-35 from afar only on long waves, on which target acquisition is impossible.

Where does the Su-35 radar on long waves come from?
It was about ground-based radars of the meter ("Sky") and decameter ("Sunflower") ranges. For them, no "stealth" exists, they see everything perfectly.

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And an anti-fighter missile is needed, telegraph poles flying hundreds of kilometers will simply not hit, maneuverability in the final section will not be enough.

R-77M maneuverability is enough. Or are you talking about DB missiles?

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In addition, the PFAR, unlike the AFAR, cannot perform the functions of suppressing the missile seeker (in the frontal projection) with a narrow high-energy beam. That is, head-on fire on aircraft with AFAR, which has the function of electronic warfare, radar missiles is ineffective.

I think they will aim at the Israeli group not in the front hemisphere, but in a lateral projection, or most likely in the rear hemisphere. And from this position (if the maneuver goes unnoticed) attack with the help of OLS and missiles with thermal seeker.
If the maneuver is noticed, then the radars are turned on by both sides and ... then the curve will take you out.

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What are the controllers for?

Do Jordan and the Saudis agree?
In addition, even after refueling, the very fact of fighting at such a distance from their bases imposes restrictions. The Iranians will not have such restrictions.

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And there will be not only F-35s.

This will only simplify the task and unmask the entire group. It is clear that others will try to start a fight and divert the attention of interceptors and Iranian air defense from the strike group itself, and there will most likely be only a few such groups ... but ... "If I know that you know that I know," then it is possible many options for building a battle. In addition, a massive raid, this is a massive take-off of Israeli aircraft ... and a long way ... And ZGRLS and radar stations in Syria see a lot ...

Quote: And Us Rat

Electronic warfare + a wave of kamikaze drones + a salvo of anti-radar missiles will take out any prodigy, a question of money for consumables.

EW will immediately give out the very fact of the start of the attack.
A swarm of drones must first be delivered to the swarming site.
Anti-radar missiles can be intercepted and also need to be carried to the launch site. How many of these anti-radar missiles have already been shot down in the former Ukraine?
Already a lot.

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In the end, a ground robot, the size of a dog, crawls up to 1.5 km and shoots the radar from a 50-caliber high-explosive incendiary.

The robot must also be delivered first. He needs to sneak up to shooting range...

Quote: And Us Rat

They have few BRs of the required range.

But are they working on it?
And if they are so angry that they will use on them what you so want to avoid?
After all, an attack on their nuclear facilities can be a sufficient reason and motivation.

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KR are good against Papuans like Syria or Ukraine,

The former Ukraine had a fairly saturated air defense system. And relatively (!) modern - many divisions of S-300, Buk-M1, Torah, Strela-10, Wasp, Tunguska ... but they turned out to be against the Kyrgyz Republic are ineffective.
You have good air defense systems, but against low-altitude high-speed targets, your air defense systems will have a very short reaction time.

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and small things must be dragged to Syria,

And if such missiles are dragged by the same Su-35S and launched from the middle of Syria? From the stealth zone for your radars?

[And Us Rat]

Quote: bayard

This is true, but the F-35 OLS at best has the same range

Argument.

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And the chances will be about equal again

Will not. Mathematically. This is not a competition of spherical horses in a vacuum.

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because the F-35 with an internal suspension of ammunition, he will detect from a distance of 100 km +

Perhaps a long-wave radar, but the weapon will not be able to aim. Guidance of the GOS is carried out in the millimeter range, in which the stealth works. Many people erroneously think that stealth is invisibility for detection systems, this is not so. Stealth is visible, but it is problematic to capture, and to hold if possible. Disruption of support is a common occurrence.

Quote: bayard

the Su-35S has much more ammunition than the F-35 in the fuselage

Did you take into account the number of carriers? The IDF Air Force has 300+ aircraft, generations from 4+ to 5. Even if the Iranian Air Force buys out 50 aircraft, they will still be in the minority and, moreover, systematically, an order of magnitude more vulnerable.

Quote: bayard

There are no such restrictions on weight and dimensions for ground-based electronic warfare systems.

It doesn't matter, the laws of geometric progression work here, even more so in computing systems. Parallel stages require synchronization, which drops exponentially as the number of CPUs increases.

Quote: bayard

plaque can be at least torn off or weakened

With competent planning and an overwhelming advantage in intelligence at all levels - NO.

Quote: bayard

Iran needs to seriously re-equip its Air Force and Air Defense.

This will complicate the task for Israel, but not critically. There is not a single relevant aspect in which Iran would have at least some advantage.

Quote: bayard

There is no difficulty here - the source of interference is taken in the passive mode, incl. and conventional suppressed radar. The source of interference will illuminate itself.

And we again rest against the level of microelectronics. Whoever has it faster will be the first to close the fire cycle. There is no second place in this game.

Quote: bayard

It was about ground-based radars of the meter ("Sky") and decameter ("Sunflower") ranges. For them, no "stealth" exists, they see everything perfectly.

It is impossible to direct missiles in the meter range. This situation - sees the eye, but the tooth is numb.

Quote: bayard

Or are you talking about DB missiles?

About them, dear ones, for the R-77M that 300 km, that 1000 - is equally useless. Yes, and she is already old, 25 years old.

Quote: bayard

I think they will aim at the Israeli group not in the front hemisphere, but in a lateral projection, or most likely in the rear hemisphere

And how do they get there? Cap of invisibility and teleport? Is there any doubt left about the relationship between levels of situational awareness? Do you really believe that the Iranian Air Force will be able to make at least one movement that the Israelis will not see?

Quote: bayard

and ... then how the curve will take out.

This is if the forces are equal and equally limited, and when the technological difference, and most importantly the difference in vision through the "fog of war" differs by an order of magnitude, there is no curve. When Israel starts, it will no longer allow Iran to intercept the initiative, all that remains for Iran is to react after the fact and deaf defense. Tactically and strategically they will be one step behind, chew on why?

Quote: bayard

Do Jordan and the Saudis agree?

Jordan is not needed, and the Saudis will provide jump airfields, secretly, of course, yelling on the way to the media about "impudent IDF air force incursions" that "cannot be stopped in any way."

Quote: bayard

EW will immediately give out the very fact of the start of the attack.

AND? Does it help Syria and Lebanon a lot?

Quote: bayard

How many of these anti-radar missiles have already been shot down in the former Ukraine?

Ukraine? You would have compared with Zimbabwe. Do you yourself not understand the difference between the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the IDF? Likbez. Explore the details.

Quote: bayard

The robot must also be delivered first. He needs to sneak up to shooting range...

Tell that to Mohsen Fakhrizade.

Quote: bayard

But are they working on it?

The trick is that Israel is moving faster and the opportunity gap is only widening. Time plays into the hands of Israel.

Quote: bayard

After all, an attack on their nuclear facilities can be a sufficient reason and motivation

It cannot, but it will. And they are afraid of this moment, because they understand that their pouting will result in their shame. Judge for yourself, Israel has them in the tail and mane on the territory of Syria, the losses of the IRGC are huge, colonels and generals are dying, and they have nothing to answer. Of the hundreds of drones sent to Israel, few cross the border, provocations at the border fail, as well as terrorist attacks against Israeli tourists around the world.

Quote: bayard

The former Ukraine had a fairly saturated air defense system. And relatively (!) modern - a lot of S-300, Buk-M1, Torah, Strela-10, Wasp, Tunguska divisions ... but they turned out to be ineffective against the KR request.

Again you are comparing a snake and a hedgehog. Saturation and efficiency are different concepts. The difference in the military capabilities of Ukraine and Israel, about the same as between the T-62 and Armata. The level varies by an order of magnitude.
90% of the KR will simply not reach Israel, they will be caught by the Air Force hundreds of kilometers from the border, and the rest will be met not by a motley hodgepodge "swan cancer and pike", as in Ukraine, but a SINGLE missile defense organism, with parameters that Ukraine never dreamed of in an erotic dream .

Quote: bayard

You have good air defense systems, but against low-altitude high-speed targets, your air defense systems will have a very short reaction time.

They will not, because these targets will lead hundreds of kilometers from the borders. One EL / M-2084 suspended from a balloon can select 1100 targets, the size of a tennis ball, for 250+ km, and KR for 400+.
And this is only the middle link of the radar, and there are really darkness of them. Israel - like one big eye in this regard, knows where the mouse poops in the alleys of Baghdad. It is not a fact that these CDs will be able to be launched at all. Hezbollah will not let you lie.

Quote: bayard

And if such missiles are dragged by the same Su-35S and launched from the middle of Syria?

They have every chance of banally not living up to the "middle of Syria", they will learn about their take-off in ten minutes, either from a satellite, or from numerous Iranian officers and officials recruited by the Mossad, who will sell all of Iran for dollars if they can.

Quote: bayard

From the stealth zone for your radars?

This begins with the Seridine of Iraq.

According to your judgments, you are critically lacking relevant information. The difference in potential between Iran and Israel today is much greater than between Argentina and Britain during the Falklands War.

[bayard]

Quote: And Us Rat

Argument.

The detection range of the OLS Su-35S is at least 50 km. (and the Su-57 has 70 - 75 km.). And in the infrared range, the F-35 is even more visible like a beacon in the night due to a very hot engine.

Quote: And Us Rat

Will not. Mathematically. This is not a competition of spherical horses in a vacuum.

It will be possible to talk about mathematics when Iran has a comparable number of new aircraft in comparable quality. In the meantime, we are talking about a batch of Egyptian Su-35SE in 24 aircraft.
But . Iran plans to acquire up to 250 new 4++ and 5 generation fighters. When and if this happens, it will be possible to talk about mathematics, arithmetic and compare possibilities and potentials. Today, the Iranian Air Force does not represent anything serious at all for a serious adversary.

Quote: And Us Rat

Perhaps a long-wave radar, but the weapon will not be able to aim.

We are talking about the capabilities of the Irbis radar itself.
A ground-based meter-range radar will see the F-35 almost like any other target at a range of 300+ km. depending on flight altitude.
"Sunflower" - regardless of the flight altitude.

Quote: And Us Rat

Stealth is visible, but it is problematic to capture, and to hold if possible. Disruption of support is a common occurrence.

If the meter-long radar station manages to get the Su-35SE into the rear half-sphere, then it will not see any "stealth" there. He will see a hot round nozzle, and all the turbine blades in the extreme centimeter range.
There will be no breakdowns in the rear hemisphere.

Quote: And Us Rat

The IDF Air Force has 300+ aircraft, generations from 4+ to 5. Even if the Iranian Air Force buys out 50 aircraft, they will still be in the minority and, moreover, systematically, an order of magnitude more vulnerable.

But the Iranian pilots will operate in the area of ​​their air defense. And AWACS, electronic warfare / electronic warfare aircraft will become the first targets for this system. The remaining targets will be distributed between air defense systems and interceptors.
ZGRLS "Sunflower" will detect an Israeli detachment of forces at a distance of 400+ km. regardless of their height or alignment of the route, hiding behind the folds of the terrain. Therefore, Iranian air defense will be waiting for you ahead of time.
If the raid is controlled by an AWACS aircraft (and it will be), then it will light itself up before everyone else like a beacon in the night. Therefore, it will become the first goal.
Range?
Will circle over foreign territory?
The Su-35S is capable of carrying the R-37M RVV BD with a target engagement range (military-neutral, which is AWACS) from 300 to 400 km. And this rocket has the function of pointing at the source of radiation / interference.

Quote: And Us Rat

About them, dear ones, for the R-77M that 300 km, that 1000 - is equally useless. Yes, and she is already old, 25 years old.

25 years old "old woman" R-77. And its modernized version will be younger.

Quote: And Us Rat

and the Saudis will provide jump airfields, secretly, of course, yelling on the way to the media about "brazen IDF air force incursions" that "cannot be stopped in any way."

And will they receive it at their airfields and military (administrative and oil) infrastructure?
Do they need it?
In someone else's war?

Quote: And Us Rat

these targets will lead hundreds of kilometers from the borders. One EL / M-2084 suspended from a balloon can select 1100 targets, the size of a tennis ball, for 250+ km, and KR for 400+.

Gusts of wind from anchors do not break?
We and the Americans had such problems. Although you still do not have an ocean.

Quote: And Us Rat

Quote: bayard
And if such missiles are dragged by the same Su-35S and launched from the middle of Syria?

They have every chance of banally not living up to the "middle of Syria", they will learn about their take-off in ten minutes, either from a satellite, or from numerous Iranian officers and officials recruited by the Mossad, who will sell all of Iran for dollars if they can.

Quote: And Us Rat

Israel - like one big eye in this regard, knows where the mouse poops in the alleys of Baghdad. It is not a fact that these CDs will be able to be launched at all.

Well, if so (and to a large extent this is true), then why do you react so sharply to the purchase of military aircraft by Iran? Their "Phantoms", F-5E and other hodgepodge from the 3rd - 4th generation still need to be changed. As for the nuclear program, they have now resumed negotiations with the United States on the return of the United States to the nuclear deal with Iran.
And Iran certainly will not attack Israel on the Su-35SE.

Quote: And Us Rat

According to your judgments, you are critically lacking relevant information.

That's right - the years of my best awareness have already passed. But I'm considering a scenario where Israel attacks and Iran defends and retaliates.
But why would Israel attack Iran?
To not create a nuclear bomb?
But with such methods, you can only achieve that they will do it. And then what?
Maybe well, to wet him - Iranian generals, scientists and colonels "in the gateways"?
But I would not mind looking at your war with Iran. There will be a big profit from the war in the Gulf of Russia, and it’s interesting.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: bayard

The detection range of the OLS Su-35S is at least 50 km ...

Not that, argue your statement that the OLS F-35 is no better. I don’t even ask about outboards for the F-15/16.

Quote: bayard

Today, the Iranian Air Force does not represent anything serious at all for a serious adversary.

This is where you should have started, everything else is Manilovism.

Quote: bayard

A ground-based meter-range radar will see the F-35 almost like any other target at a range of 300+ km. depending on flight altitude.

To see does not mean to bring down. Explosive missiles in the meter range are not induced.

Quote: bayard

If the meter-long radar manages to get the Su-35SE into the rear half-sphere

Very unsteady if, who will let him in there? Iran invented teleportation?

Quote: bayard

But the Iranian pilots will operate in the area of ​​their air defense. And AWACS, electronic warfare / electronic warfare aircraft will become the first targets for this system.

You have not understood, there will be no system. In order to use the system, you first need to keep it in working condition. The issue is initiative, tactics and technology. It is enough for Iran to miss the first electronic strike, and that's it. And they have nothing to defend themselves with, they are technologically lagging behind. They can only turn on white noise, but with this they will also blind themselves, moreover, more than a more advanced enemy.

Quote: bayard

Therefore, Iranian air defense will be waiting for you ahead of time.

And how will it help her?

Quote: bayard

The Su-35S is capable of carrying the R-37M RVV BD with a target engagement range (military-neutral, which is AWACS) from 300 to 400 km. And this missile has the function of pointing at the source of radiation / interference.

Taking into account the fact that these will be single aircraft against the system, they have almost no chances, the launch of single missiles will not work, they will be shot down by AWACS cover fighters or simply drown out the electronic warfare systems.
Iran will not physically be able to create the required density of fire.

Quote: bayard

And will they receive it at their airfields and military (administrative and oil) infrastructure?

They get it anyway, so they are interested in destroying the cause.

Quote: bayard

Gusts of wind from anchors do not break?

A couple of times it was, but not critical, conclusions were made and corrected what was needed.

Quote: bayard

Well, if so (and to a large extent this is true), then why do you react so sharply to the purchase of military aircraft by Iran?

And who likes extra risks and expenses? The chance of a "stray bullet" has not been canceled, no matter how prepared you are, it's better to exclude it altogether.

Quote: bayard

they have now resumed negotiations with the United States on the return of the United States to the nuclear deal with Iran.

It's a shitty deal for Israel.

Quote: bayard

But I'm considering a scenario where Israel attacks and Iran defends itself and responds.

This is a fundamental mistake. Everything is just the opposite. It's just that your media are silent about the actions of Iran, and only cover Israel's retaliatory actions, creating the illusion that Israel is the aggressor. Old trick.

Quote: bayard

But why would Israel attack Iran?
To not create a nuclear bomb?
But with such methods, you can only achieve that they will do it.

They will do it anyway, they have a fixed idea - to deal with Israel. Israel's choice is only to try to prevent or sit and wait for their fate.

Quote: bayard

Maybe well, to wet him - Iranian generals, scientists and colonels "in the gateways"?

Iran will take this as weakness, not a gesture of reconciliation. The very concept of "reconciliation with Israel" is absent from their understanding. This will only lead to increased Iranian aggression. In their concept, if they are not wetted, then this is a chance to attack more strongly themselves.

Quote: bayard

But I would not mind looking at your war with Iran.

Be patient.

[Pananders]

And what about the helicopter carriers?

[Vitaly161]

I think Egypt was forgiven for this act, the nix in the press and they didn’t raise it at all, the topic was essentially hushed up

[bayard]

Quote: Flood

I wonder how much the rejection cost Egypt.
After all, the terms of such contracts provide for serious penalties and penalties.
If the aircraft were produced, then there must have been a partial prepayment.

Egypt made a full payment for this order, about 2,5 billion dollars. and having gone on a forced refusal, he agreed to return the payment only after the sale of these aircraft to another customer. So we are definitely not offended.
The fact that Iran is ready to buy these Su-35S has been rumored for a long time, but in the light of the outbreak of the conflict, everything is covered in a thick "fog of war". Iranian pilots, in theory, should have completed retraining for these aircraft (they should have been by the end of this summer), but now Iran is negotiating with the United States to return those to the so-called. "Nuclear deal", and the delivery of aircraft right now could damage the negotiations ... and at stake is a huge amount of Iranian foreign exchange reserves arrested in the United States and the lifting of part of the sanctions.
For Russia, such a delay can also be beneficial - 24 brand new Su-35S (albeit in an export version), in the light of the current conflict and the losses of the Aerospace Forces suffered in the first months, are a good reserve for emergency compensation for losses. Yes, and NATO can break the chain - the roof of their top is already tearing not childishly ...

Quote: Flood

Russian taxpayers would be pleased to know

Russian taxpayers are definitely not at a disadvantage. In addition, Iran still needs new fighters (and not only) to re-equip its Air Force, and this is not 24, but at least 75 heavy fighters and 150 light ones. They have an interest in both the export version of the Su-57 and the promising Su-75. But before the possible start of their deliveries, there is still more than one year. So the Su-35S is a very important acquisition for them today.
But right up to the delivery itself, or even until its completion, nothing will be announced for quite understandable reasons.

[Flooding]

Quote: bayard

Egypt made a full payment for this order, about 2,5 billion dollars. and having gone on a forced refusal, he agreed to return the payment only after the sale of these aircraft to another customer.

Thank you for the information.

[Alex777]

Quote: Flood

I wonder how much the rejection cost Egypt.

100% advance payment was. The money is stuck.
As for Iran, I think they are waiting for
we will do the whole party. They'll take it right away.

[Flooding]

Quote: Alex777

100% advance payment was. The money is stuck.

Thanks, I've read the comment above.
Indeed, an interesting question is, in what accounts is this amount now.
And can Russia return it.

[Alex777]

Quote: Flood

Indeed, an interesting question is, in what accounts is this amount now.

on our accounts. Airplanes were made.

Quote: Flood

And can Russia return it.

What for? Out of the corner of my ear I heard that Iran will return
oil payment. And Egypt will only be happy ...

[Romario_Argo]

we have 50 export Su-35 fighters, Egypt, Algeria and Indonesia refused
50 for Iran is while a lot, but even 24 Su-35s will multiply Iran's combat stability
from provocations and attacks by the United States and Israel

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Romario_Argo

50 is a lot for Iran

Not much, just to replace the F-14.

[Romario_Argo]

Iran, past the Su-35, can buy more Su-30M2 and MiG-35
- by the way, with this he will stretch our factories, and will allow us to establish a series for our VKS

[Maxim G]

Will they buy all six pieces (MiG-35)?

[Romario_Argo]

with this he will stretch our factories

if Iran orders the MiG-35, then the Sokol factories in Nizhny Novgorod and Lukhovitsy near Moscow will produce an export version of the MiG-35 in the contracted quantity

[Maxim G]

What if he doesn't order?

[Romario_Argo]

then N. Novgorod will upgrade the MiG-31 at an accelerated pace,
up to MiG-31BM version
and Lukhovitsy will go into production of 12 MiG-35s per year for our VKS

[Maxim G]

The MiG-31 is old - the youngest are over 30 years old, how much longer do they fly?

Are the MiG-35s going to be delivered to the Russian Aerospace Forces? Were such plans announced?

[bayard]

Quote: Maxim G

What if he doesn't order?

As far as I know, Iran is very interested in the possible purchase of promising Su-75s. But such purchases will not be possible soon. And the planes are needed already yesterday. So it is quite likely that a certain amount of the MiG-35 will also be ordered. The AFAR radar is already ready for him, his airframe is excellent (for the 4th generation). Therefore, the purchase of the MiG-35 is also quite likely. If there is such a purchase, then I think that 48-50 pieces will be ordered. And there, the export Su-57 and Su-75 will arrive in time.

[Maxim G]

How many of our aircraft are equipped with AFAR?

[bayard]

Quote: Maxim G

How many of our aircraft are equipped with AFAR?

So far, only the Su-57.
"Squirrel" .
For the MiG-35, the AFAR radar is ready, but the MiG-35S was late for the tender in India. Alas.
And they didn’t want to buy it for the Aerospace Forces (MiG-35S) - they were waiting for the Su-75.
BUT!
With the beginning of the SVO, it turned out that the Russian Federation did not have enough combat aircraft, and the Aerospace Forces suffered losses in the conflict. The conflict itself may expand and therefore it is necessary to increase the number of fighter regiments by at least 10 regiments. And it would also be reasonable to transfer two-squadron regiments to a normal state of 3 squadrons.
To do this, we need new pilots (I hope we have recruited enough cadets to flight schools in recent years), a delay in the retirement of senior pilots by 5 years (they retire early / from flight work, and could well be delayed - they already did this after Serdyukov pogrom of military universities), and the most important thing after that is AIRCRAFT and infrastructure for them.
And the planes need to be built now (since they sipped the outbreak eight years ago). And it is necessary to use ALL available aircraft manufacturing capacities.
Therefore, the aircraft factories in Lukhovitsy and Nizhny Novgorod must be loaded (and are probably already being loaded) with orders for the construction of the MiG-35S. Which is ready, has new engines, avionics and, most importantly, the AFAR radar ... which neither the Su-35S nor the Su-30SM \ SM2 have.
Only the Su-57.
And if before the SVO we were chewing on ... ... they were crumpling rolls - "needed / unnecessary", "shouldn't we wait for the Su-75", "why such a fighter at the price of the Su-30SM" ...
But time and circumstances put everything in its place - such fighters were needed yesterday! And they certainly need to be launched in a series.
Incl. due to their AFAR equipment, which gives significant advantages against the entire 4th generation of the enemy.
The Su-75, even with very great effort, will be able to come to the troops in the first batch in 10 years. Alas, you can’t get a completely new fighter faster - you can’t finish it, you can’t cure childhood illnesses, you can’t debug the technical process and cooperation.
And over the years, it is possible to arm new regiments of the MiG-35S, because they can be built right now, using the existing capacities and equipment. Everything was ready for their mass production for a long time. The only thing missing was the decision of the Kremlin towers.

[marat2016]

And why write off the F-14s that the Iranians have mastered, learned how to repair and even modernize something there ....

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: marat2016

And why write off the F-14s that the Iranians have mastered, learned how to repair and even modernize something there ....

The resource of the glider is not eternal.

[marat2016]

Yes, but as long as it exists, the F-14s fly quite well.

[bayard]

Quote: marat2016

And why write off the F-14s that the Iranians have mastered, learned how to repair and even modernize something there ....

They are just very old - they were delivered in the late 70s.
In addition, they have a variable sweep wing, the mechanization of which is very difficult and expensive to maintain. They flew with them only on holidays - they saved the resource after the end of the Iran-Iraq war (ended in 1988). But the Iranians really took care of them very much, they learned not only to maintain, but also to repair. And even sort of modernized. But the resource is an inexorable weight.

[antivirus]

And the Saudis, and Qatar, and others will rise against the Persians.
Rates are rising.
Persians against the Massagetae.
Cherz 2-3g will blow up Qatar with LNG? And the Russian Federation will be left alone?

[Romario_Argo]

China has gained weight and will not allow attacks against Iran - Qatar and Saudis
Turkey also has its own interests in connection with Iran

[antivirus]

And China will not allow the Persians to rock the Saudis and the Jews? Incidents happen that everyone is not guilty and right, but war is inevitable

[bayard]

Quote: antivirus

And the Saudis, and Qatar, and others will rise against the Persians

Qatar has long made peace with Iran. When the Saudis wanted to capture Qatar, set up a blockade for them, stopped transports with food (and they went through the Saudis and from the Saudis themselves), then militarily they (Qatar) were supported by the Turks (they even deployed a military base there), and food and logistical security provided by Iran.
Yes, and about the common gas field for them (Qatar and Iran), they decided everything among themselves.
Saudi?...
But what for do they need it if they couldn’t cope with the younger brothers of the dogs - the Hussites? And this was robbed from them ...
In addition, the Saudis are now very actively making friends with the Russian Federation, they sent Americans with oil, they didn’t take a telephone receiver from Biden - they disdained ... I rather believe that the Saudis, and Qatar, and the United Arab Emirates, and Iran, are now expecting and striving to establish lasting peace in the region. For the sake of which the United States is sent. I would rather believe that after Iran receives new batches of fighter jets (and other weapons) from the Russian Federation, the Saudis will rather expel the United States from their settled bases from the region ... and invite us and the Chinese in their place. For the sake of peace and silence in the region.

Quote: antivirus

Cherz 2-3g will blow up Qatar with LNG?

To leave Europe completely without gas?
In general, I would not mind - in terms of consequences for Europe, but Qatar ... he has also taken his head lately. And he shared gas reserves with Iran, they have agreements, and as far as I know, they are being observed.

Quote: antivirus

Persians against the Massagetae.

Is that how you call the Arabs?
In fact, the DNA haplogroup of the inhabitants of Qatar and all the descendants of the Prophet Muhammad turned out to be ... R-1A - the same as that of ... most Russians, and in general - Slavs. This is the paternal haplogroup. But they all have mothers - Arab ... or Dravidian.

Quote: antivirus

And the Russian Federation will be left alone?

But is it bad if Europe shoots this knee too?
It will not even be a knee, but a groin.
Well, let him die in agony.

[Flooding]

Quote: Romario_Argo

we have 50 export Su-35 fighters, Egypt, Algeria and Indonesia refused

It is not a fact that the contracted aircraft were produced in full.

[navigator777]

And why not keep these 50 sushki produced for yourself? It is clear that the export ones are inferior, but they are quite enough to bring down the g ... but that they supply to the Khokhols.

[paul3390]

Because to be cynical, another serious mess on the planet would suit us very well now .. Especially in the Persian Gulf .. With its oil and gas. Therefore, possible allies must be armed. Lest they be torn apart in a week ..

[Doccor18]

Quote: paul3390

Therefore, possible allies must be armed. Lest they be torn apart in a week ..

Exactly!

[Piramidon]

Quote: navigator777

And why not leave these 50 produced dry yourself?

I don’t think that all 50 have already been produced and are gathering dust in some warehouse. Deliveries were calculated for several years.

[Vitaly161]

maybe because equipment with the letter E is not adopted by the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation? we are produced under a contract with the RF Ministry of Defense, if they are needed faster, they will produce faster

[navigator777]

Algerian flawed MiG-29s, which were returned to us, were put into service.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Vitaliy161

equipment with the letter E is not adopted by the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation? we are produced under a contract with the RF Ministry of Defense, if they are needed faster, they will produce faster

The letter "E" is set for avionics (minced meat!). The stuffing will be replaced, but the glider remains the same. What problems?

[know-it-two]

This is approximately $ 5 billion. In the current budget, there are no such funds for the purchase of new units in the Armed Forces ..... ((((Only the USSR could afford to supply such a number of aircraft to the troops at a time ...

[TermNachTer]

Why a lot? Iran, in the light of its "snack" with Israel (USA), would now be more useful, given that its own manned aircraft are in a dead state. The question is, what and how will they pay?

[Romario_Argo]

we have many projects in Iran
share in the gas pipeline from Iran to Pakistan
Iran to pay dividends from 40 billion cubic meters of gas project per year
By the way, India receives 10 billion cubic meters (!!!)
+ investments in the Iran-Pakistan-India oil pipeline are estimated at $7,5 billion

[TermNachTer]

It would be nice, but the gas pipeline still needs to be built to bring dividends.

[Romario_Argo]

so that no one encroaches on our rights, they need to be protected, by the same supply of weapons, the creation of service centers
- and this is the creation of a developed intelligence network of the SVR - protection from color revolutions

[Doccor18]

Quote: Romario_Argo

50 for Iran is still a lot

Is it against 130 Israeli F35 / F15?
Not much, but expensive. But maybe loans, barter, etc. will be involved ...

[Romario_Argo]

What do you think is expensive for the state (?)
2 billion rubles for one Su-35, 30 vehicles 60 billion rubles. = $1 billion
A small construction company in the Moscow region "L" has a profit of 50 billion rubles a year.
5 S-300PMU-2 divisions x 12 launchers x 4 missiles = 240 anti-aircraft missiles with a range of 200 km
130 F-15s and F-35s - will smoke in Jordanian airspace - no closer

[Doccor18]

Quote: Romario_Argo

2 billion rubles for one Su-35, 30 vehicles 60 billion rubles. = $1 billion

Is this the export price?
China will get similar cars for more than $100 million apiece. Add here what usually comes in addition: training of flight and technical personnel, maintenance / repair, ammunition, etc ... In total, I won’t be surprised if the amount is significantly more than five yards ...

[bayard]

Quote: Doccor18

Is this the export price?
China will get similar cars for more than $100 million apiece.

This is approximately the export price for the Su-35SE and is - 100 million dollars (plus or minus depending on the configuration, the amount of purchased ammunition for them, equipment and training of flight and technical personnel).
But so far we have been talking about the purchase of 18 - 24 pcs. Su-35SE, this is exactly the number ordered by Egypt (24 pcs.).
But in general, Iran is interested in the Su-57 and Su-75. But they will have to wait some more time. In the meantime, you can buy 24 Su-35SE and 48 - 50 MiG-35SE pieces.
In total, the plans for the purchase / rearmament of the Iranian Air Force include the purchase of 75 heavy fighters and 100 - 150 light ones.
And if Iran receives such a number of new aircraft, then Israel will only have to wipe itself with sadness.
But they don't know how.
Therefore, they can strike ahead of the curve.
It is unlikely that this will be useful for Israel, but such is their temper.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: bayard

Therefore, they can strike ahead of the curve.
It is unlikely that this will be useful for Israel, but such is their temper.

There is such a thing ... But without the approval of the United States, the Jews will not take such a step. The whole question is how the States will react to this, and whether they have the strength to bear the hardships of the war in three directions: Ukraine, the Middle East, the Asia-Pacific Region - That is the question!

[bayard]

Yes, the United States and England are now biting the bit, but there is also an objective reality - the United States overexerted itself in its imperial wars, and at the same time missed a lot. Incl. and in its Middle East policy.
Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and even Qatar have recently become quite friendly with Russia and have reoriented themselves to the Chinese market. And they are not at all happy with the hellish war in the Gulf, when the United States will use its bases on their territory ... And rake from Iran for such hospitality.
I would rather assume that if Iran really manages to strengthen its Armed Forces with new deliveries of aviation and air defense equipment from Russia, then the Saudis, Qatar and the UAE will soon agree with Iran on the expulsion from the US region - as a troublemaker, warmonger and pathological liar.
And I'm sure they'll be able to come to an agreement.
And they will most likely invite us to the empty bases ... and possibly the Chinese - to maintain security and stability in the region.
The United States (and even more so England) have ceased to be useful as security guarantors and trading partners. Now the rapidly growing markets of Asia and Latin America may well swallow that part of the oil that is now going to the USA, England and Europe. And everything they need for life, development and security, they may well get from China, Russia, India. Yes, they also want to develop their economies, they are trying to develop complex industries ... And the United States only interferes with all this.
Here are my thoughts.
And I heard about the fact that the Arabs want to expel the US from the region 10 years ago. But in order for this to happen, it was necessary that Russia and China get stronger. And then India suddenly went into growth.

Will the US want to slam the door loudly when leaving?
Probably .
But after all, China is unlikely to want to be deprived of Middle Eastern hydrocarbons and markets (because of the war).
And if China thinks so, then it can arrange such a fun and eventful life for the United States - with economic levers alone, that the hegemon will not only be undermined, but also broken.
And for Russia, in the event of a mess in the Gulf, only profit will come out. Europe then crawls on its belly to the Kremlin to pray for sins, to beg for gas.

This is my humble opinion.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: bayard

This is my humble opinion.

I agree. There is such. The world is changing and not in favor of the United States.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

But without the approval of the United States, the Jews will not take such a step.

Well, who tells you this? ))
Known from:
The beginning of the 6-day war - Jews dismantle the antenna from the American embassy in Tel Aviv the night before the Egyptian attack
The bombing of the reactor in Iraq - without the knowledge and against the interests of the United States, Israel is deprived of the supply of F-18
First Lebanese War - without the knowledge / consent of the United States, PLO militants were taken out from Beirut under American guard
Etc.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Krasnodar

Well, who tells you this? )

From the assessment of the current malware ... What you listed was once. And now, without the help and support of the States, Israel alone could not stand against the Arab world. From the word -- NEVER !
Secondly, to wage war with a country that has a greater material resource, territory, mobile resources ... without the help of nuclear weapons is a practically hopeless business. In WW2, united Europe, under the leadership of Germany, tried ... What came of it is known.
Therefore, having started a war of attrition, Iran will definitely win it. The Jews will sooner or later run out of resources. If they are not replenished by the USA and K *, then Israel is doomed ... Jews are staunch fighters - this is a fact. But you will also be opposed by Muslim fanatics who, for happiness, will consider laying down their lives for JIHAT and the Prophet Muhammad! But there are 80 million of them! and the Israelites?
Therefore, drive towards peaceful coexistence with your neighbors - wake up more whole!
IMHO.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

And now, without the help and support of the States, Israel alone could not stand against the Arab world. From the word -- NEVER !

Israel is now 5 times stronger and 15 times richer, while the Arabs are many times weaker and there is no support from the USSR

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

Secondly, to wage war with a country that has a greater material resource, territory, mobile resources ... without the help of nuclear weapons is a practically hopeless business.

The countries do not have common borders - this will be an exchange of air strikes and in some places in Syria local battles. But - Hezbollah and Gaza (perhaps) will try to overload the Jewish air defense in sync with the Iranian strike, the problem is that the Jews have it very much like that.

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

Therefore, having started a war of attrition, Iran will definitely win it.

Not really, quite the opposite.)
The entire economy of large Iran is 2 and a little times larger than the Israeli one, the Persians will not be able to carry out a sea and air blockade - there will be a fleeting exchange of blows and Israel’s work against parts of the IRGC, partisans and other proxies, possibly including air defense and some kind of Assad’s art

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

Jews are staunch fighters - that's a fact. But you will also be opposed by Muslim fanatics who, for happiness, will consider laying down their lives for JIHAT and the Prophet Muhammad!

And why are there always so many captured Arabs? ))

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

But there are 80 million of them! and the Israelites?

9. But every Israeli has many times more dough than a Persian.

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

Therefore, drive towards peaceful coexistence with your neighbors - wake up more whole!

So that was the original course that continues to this day. This neighbors are all cormorants (at each other more, by the way )
And Iran - until 1979, peace - chewing gum - friendship
Khomeini came to power - the goal is to destroy Israel
What to talk about with such people?

[know-it-two]

MiG-35 is not even in the RF Armed Forces (6 are being tested)

[bayard]

The MiG-35S was created as an export product (mainly), based on old MiG-29 customers. But the delay with the advent of the AFAR radar, as well as the fact that the Russian Aerospace Forces were not eager to purchase these aircraft, which greatly harmed its promotion for export, became a snag.
But the SVO changed a lot in the views of the domestic air forces - suddenly it turned out "suddenly" ... insufficient number of domestic military aviation, incl. and in terms of IA. And rumors are already breaking through about the start of production of the MiG-35S for the Aerospace Forces, and later the promising Su-75, which was previously only expected to be exported. So the practice of a real military conflict heals the stupidity and obstinacy (stubbornness) of the military-political leadership.
The MiG-35S will be produced in Lukhovitsy, and if there is an order from Iran, then at the Nizhny Novgorod ASZ. If Iran stumbles and waits for a crane in the sky (Su-75, which is not yet), then the Nizhny Novgorod ASZ will continue to modernize the MiG-31.
To bring the Aerospace Forces into acceptable combat capability, it is necessary to additionally deploy about 10 fighter regiments for the Aerospace Forces, and about the same for naval aviation (including 5 MRA regiments on the Su-34M2).

[Doccor18]

Quote: Romario_Argo

A small construction company in the Moscow region "L" has a profit of 50 billion rubles a year.

That is, this "small" company must sell up to 2500 apartments per year? Or something similar to the Moscow shopping center Columbus? However...

[Romario_Argo]

apartments and apartments on Sokol are tears, from 20 billion no more than 2 billion
road construction - junctions, chords, Moscow-Kazan highway
you have wrong calculations and representations
example, several contracts worth 500 billion rubles. execution up to 10 months profit of 10-15% is already 75 billion

[Doccor18]

Quote: Romario_Argo

example, several contracts worth 500 billion rubles. execution up to 10 months profit of 10-15% is already 75 billion

Yes, I do not argue. But calling the contractor of such contracts a "small construction company" is somehow not serious ...

[Romario_Argo]

I understand that big business is those with a turnover of more than 2 billion rubles. (price of Su-35)
but there are companies whose total number of contracts reaches 1 trillion rubles.
these tenders can be entered if the condition is met: a major deal
when the company's turnover is at least 50% of the contract
example contract 500 billion rubles. - and the turnover of the company per year is not less than 250 billion rubles.
form-2 special conditions, exceptional materials - this is only for large dealers
Vasyok with yesterday's LLC, and 10% dealership in ceramics - will not work

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Doccor18

Is it against 130 Israeli F35 / F15?

And another 200 F16

[Oleg Barchev]

Do not forget the intensity of operation of the SU-35 aircraft involved in the NWO and possible losses. So they will come in handy too.

[tralflot1832]

If this is true, then the PRC gave us the Iranian Air Force. And what did the PRC have its eyes on in Iran, oil, gas and infrastructure, with the Navy?

[Romario_Argo]

The PRC is now actively building Type-052D destroyers, here in the dock right away 5

[bayard]

Quote: Romario_Argo

The PRC is now actively building Type-052D destroyers, here in the dock right away 5

China is now completing the laid down Type-052D series, but will not order new ones. Now only Type-055 are ordered, and the number of them for construction is provided for almost 50 pieces.
And there was also talk about the resumption of the construction of Type-054 frigates, but in an updated version and on electric propulsion (like Type-055).

[Boa kaa]

Quote: bayard

Quote: Romario_Argo

The PRC is now actively building Type-052D destroyers, here in the dock right away 5

China is now completing the laid down Type-052D series, but will not order new ones. Now only Type-055 are ordered, and the number of them for construction is provided for almost 50 pieces.
And there was also talk about the resumption of the construction of Type-054 frigates, but in an updated version and on electric propulsion (like Type-055).

Sir! You have great knowledge! Congratulations.
Do not tell me: what about the plans for the construction of 6 AVU?
By the way, starting from the 4th building, it seems like they are going to sculpt even with nuclear power plants and EMC!
But!

[bayard]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

Sir! You have great knowledge!

Interested in the question.

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

Do not tell me: what about the plans for the construction of 6 AVU?
By the way, starting from the 4th building, it seems like they are going to sculpt even with nuclear power plants and EMC!

So far, everything seems to be in the plans - the first two are springboard, the other two are flat-deck with gas turbines and electric propulsion, EM catapults, and the next pair are flat-deck with nuclear power plants in VI almost "Nimitz".
There is no talk of more yet - ships with a very high coefficient of novelty, very complex. And it is unlikely that they will build more than 6 units. , rather, over time, they will later build one or two more to replace the springboards, because "Liaoning" in 15 years will have to be changed.
But you need to keep in mind that they are also building Type-075 UDC helicopter carriers, VI of 40 tons, which, with the advent of VTOL aircraft in China, will also become, in fact, "light aircraft carriers". And they are going to build Type-000 in a quantity of 075 pieces. , and that's a lot.
The Chinese will begin to sculpt VTOL aircraft as soon as they bring to mind "their" aircraft engine, which is essentially our R-179V-300 with an afterburner thrust of up to 18,5 t.s.
And all this armada of the above (in 50 Type-055, 24 Type-052D, 6 AB, 10 UDC Tia-075, the same number of UDC Type-071, a bunch of frigates, corvettes, support ships, supplies, transports) may appear in China already in 10-12 years.
And the US knows about it and will try to prevent it. They have already actively begun to interfere, exacerbating the Taiwanese issue, provoking China to a military reaction in order to use such a reaction as a pretext for sanctions and the formation of an anti-Chinese coalition.
But in our country, all naval plans went down the drain due to the unresolved issue with marine engine building ... That's it. We have absolutely everything for the construction of a powerful and very modern Fleet, ... except for ship power plants. And in this - marine engine building we have a complete failure. And until "Golovko" enters sea trials and passes them with success, there is NO future for our surface fleet. Alas.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: bayard

there is NO future for our surface fleet.

You got excited! There is always a future... That's just what - that's the question!

[bayard]

So I'm talking about the good - the right future.
After all, there are no normal medium-speed diesel engines (Kolomna supplies low-speed diesel locomotives with a capacity of no more than 6000 l \ s), nor running gears for power plants with gas turbines, gas turbines seem to have learned how to do it, and here the orders of power engineers to help and support the industry turned out to be.
And I’m thinking that if the gearboxes don’t come out (and these are very complex and highly loaded units), and we do power gas turbines without problems, can we refuse mechanical transmission altogether for ships of the main classes? Install power turbines with generators , on - board distribution substation and electric propulsion . Maybe even on the steering columns. Indeed, for the civilian fleet (the same icebreaker) we know how to do. So for the navy, why not do it?
China is also facing the same problem.
And he successfully solved it by putting on stream the construction of ships with electric transmission. Its aircraft carriers, destroyers are all on electric propulsion. And even those restarted in the new Type-054A series (the letter here, of course, will be different) will also be electric. And this is very good and useful for ships that, in addition to escort tasks, will also have anti-aircraft defense tasks, because an electric ship is very quiet, and with rational propellers and a properly selected speed mode, it will not give out noise and will be much more efficient than its sisterships in manual transmission.
That's how we would.
Will there be high fuel consumption?
But China does not bother it - a rich country can afford this.
And even more so, Russia is a country producing oil in gigantic volumes. You just don’t need to levy an excise tax on a resource from oil products for the Navy (and aviation) and the costs will immediately be reduced by a factor of .
And the Fleet will still have real warships in the required quantities, in the required quality and at the required pace.

[paul3390]

The Israeli Air Force is a very, very serious adversary .. Therefore, Iran needs not just good, but the best systems available. And apparently - according to the result, it turned out to be the Su-35 ..

[Romario_Argo]

negotiations are underway for the supply to Iran of 5 to 10 S-400 air defense divisions
S-400s can destroy the entire likely line of SVN: F-22, F-35 or B-2 Spirit
also, along with the Su-35, negotiations are underway on the Su-30M2 (K) fighters for Iran
The appearance of S-400, Su-30K, Su-35 in Iran will completely change the alignment of forces with Israel

[paul3390]

The S-400 is not a treasure chest. What is needed is the country's air defense system. Otherwise, the most sophisticated air defense systems will be kicked out .. Banal overload with targets, both real and false .. Clear skies on you - it is expensive, very expensive.

[-Paul-]

Iran has its own air defense. It seems that recently there was an article on VO.

[bayard]

Quote: Romario_Argo

negotiations are underway for the supply to Iran of 5 to 10 S-400 air defense divisions

These are very correct negotiations .
I would recommend that the Iranians also order a batch of medium-range air defense systems - S-350 or Buk-M3. Iran also has its own medium range, but their effectiveness against a serious adversary is in question.

Quote: Romario_Argo

also, along with the Su-35, negotiations are underway on the Su-30M2 (K) fighters for Iran

Initially, the conversation was specifically about the Su-30SM2 (upgraded from the Su-35S). And then there was an opportunity and interest in the Su-57E and Su-75E. And I see no reason not to deliver them after the industry is ready to produce them in a large series.
And such an order from Iran can accelerate this readiness.

[Zaurbek]

China, apparently. Can't sell weapons to Iran yet. Got something to lose

[marat2016]

For the Air Force, Iran took very little from the PRC and for a long time (J-7, as far as I remember, in the late 80s).

[Herman 4223]

So the Su-35s have not yet appeared in Egypt, but how then did Rafal defeat them during the exercises ? So much has been written about this in the past year.

[Flooding]

Quote: Herman 4223

So the Su-35s have not yet appeared in Egypt, but how then did Rafal defeat them during the exercises

At least the first batch was delivered.
This was written in the media.

[Herman 4223]

And then, after the release of a fantastic story about Rafal, they showed this batch of aircraft standing somewhere in Russia. It turned out inconvenient.

[Prjanik]

As far as I remember, this was all from an Indian source promoting Rafali, without any confirmation

[Herman 4223]

I heard that Polish, but it doesn't matter. There are still no dryers in Egypt.

[NSV]

What the....news?! Maybe yes, maybe not ....!!! What is the point of posting such news?!? About nothing !!! The author of this ... fake news, a huge minus !!!

[Anna E]

We take a camomile and guess "loves - does not love", that is, "buy - will not buy", well, you understand.

[lucul]

as has been repeatedly stated earlier, the priority is the purchase of multifunctional Su-35 fighters. This issue is under review and should be resolved as soon as possible.

And why pull the rubber?
Our "partners" have already violated all conceivable and inconceivable our red lines ....

[rocket757]

Iranian Air Force commander: The issue of the purchase of Russian Su-35 fighters will be resolved in the near future

. Everything is logical ... if you want to have a full-fledged, integrated air defense / missile defense system, if you want to have advanced strike capabilities, do / take / buy the right, best aviation equipment!

[Mavrikiy]

Iranian Air Force commander: The issue of the purchase of Russian Su-35 fighters will be resolved in the near future

"If you want to live, know how to spin" (I agree, the meaning was laid in the saying, that one. But how multifaceted the saying turned out to be, right for all occasions)

[Chronos]

The main question is, Shahids will follow in the opposite direction?

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Chronos

The main question is, Shahids will follow in the opposite direction?

Seems Yes! On this occasion, the Yankees have already launched a fake that 129 and 99 do not fully meet our expectations ...
And they have never been used in real business. But a fly in the ointment has already been thrown into our barrel of honey with Iran!

[bobwings]

They made me laugh ...
In Ukraine, these fighters have not been able to achieve air superiority for half a year, air battles are still going on.
Where can they compete with the F-35, except in the inflamed minds of the urapatriots.

[Vitaly161]

the fact that the Ukrainians keep their aircraft at NATO airfields does not mean that the Su 35 did not achieve anything, they won all the air battles of the 35s, and they fought with both 27 Sushki and 29 MiGs

[bobwings]

There is not a single Ukrainian combat aircraft at NATO airfields, otherwise this would be a pretext for a strike on them by the RF Armed Forces. All their aircraft at their airfield and jump sites. Which, by the way, the Russian army has been unable to destroy for six months. But there are a lot of shots with downed Su-35s in the telegram, including the epic flat spin of the downed 35th.

[Vitaly161]

how do you destroy the airfield? it can be disabled for a certain period of time, destroyed only by a nuclear strike, perhaps
about the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine at NATO airfields, remember February 24, when almost all of the aviation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was raised and went abroad, just before the strike on the bases, so they hide their Air Force wherever they want

[bobwings]

Before the war, only 1 Ukrainian Su27 flew to Romania, and the whole world was talking about it. The Ukrainians successfully dispersed their aircraft in advance, and therefore it fully retained its combat readiness.
And airfields with modern means of destruction can be completely incapacitated, plowing up Kabami strips, hitting hangars with Caliber. But you never know what, you have an invincible army with analogous weapons ... so go for it.

[Vitaly161]

CABs on concrete? Have you completely lost your mind? Maybe that’s why they don’t touch airfields, because it’s easier and cheaper to shoot them down in the air? taking into account the amount of what is left and with practically 0 the efficiency of their work

[Denis812]

"Fully retained combat readiness" - this is very strange in relation to the Ukrainian Air Force. Can you somehow prove the complete preservation of the combat readiness of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine?

[Vitaly161]

do you know how to read? or don’t understand what an air battle is? half of these shots were shot down by Su 27 friendfire, there are not many confirmed lost 35, you can fill the rest with dill, but not for me

[marat2016]

1. Whether there are Ukrainian Air Force planes at NATO AB or not, no one will hit them, this is 3 MV that no one needs. 2. Su-35s were shot down by air defense systems, not a single victory in the air of the Ukrainian Air Force was won simply due to obsolete equipment (although I admit that sooner or later they will shoot down someone, there were cases when the Saber shot down the MiG-21, I-153 felled FV-190, etc. War is war.)

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: bobwings

There is not a single Ukrainian combat aircraft on NATO airfields,

Who told you this? Aunt Sarah from're coming out happy? Or forever young Mamzel Pellosi? I beg you... Don't make my cat laugh.

[Zaurbek]

Egypt does not buy for its own .... There are none of its own. That's not given.

[Iris]

Quote: Flood

Egypt, for which the planes were produced, was forced to withdraw from the deal under pressure from the United States, and the fate of the fighters "hung in the air."

I wonder how much the rejection cost Egypt.
After all, the terms of such contracts provide for serious penalties and penalties.
If the aircraft were produced, then there must have been a partial prepayment.
Russian taxpayers would be pleased to know that several hundred million dollars in prepayments were not returned to the Egyptian side due to the refusal of the purchase.

In any case, Russian taxpayers will get nothing.

[Denis812]

Firstly, you do not know if you will get it or not.
Secondly, it is necessary to demand a penalty.
No matter the loot or not - politicians and generals know better.

As for taxpayers, I am always touched by such a desire for people to get something. You live in a harsh world and fall not only to everyone. :)
I think some amount will definitely return to the budget. But we can only guess about it, can't we? :)

[Iris]

Quote: NSV

What the....news?! Maybe yes, maybe not ....!!! What is the point of posting such news?!? About nothing !!! The author of this ... fake news, a huge minus !!!

It's not fake. There is a statement by the commander of the Air Force - an official. There are real planes that have been crushing concrete for two years now. The deal will take place - the probability is very high, since both parties are interested in it. minus your comment ..

[Iris]

Quote: Flood

Quote: Herman 4223

So the Su-35s have not yet appeared in Egypt, but how then did Rafal defeat them during the exercises

At least the first batch was delivered.
This was written in the media.

there was no trial run. The training was carried out at the LII. Gromov.

[Iris]

Quote: Romario_Argo

we have 50 export Su-35 fighters, Egypt, Algeria and Indonesia refused
50 for Iran is while a lot, but even 24 Su-35s will multiply Iran's combat stability
from provocations and attacks by the United States and Israel

And how did you determine how much they will be a lot and how much - not a lot? I'm afraid to even ask about combat stability from provocations and attacks.

[Iris]

Quote: paul3390

I don’t think that ours began to pinch Egypt with the demand for forfeits .. Still, the Egyptians themselves were put in the position of a drinking deer, so they are quite friendly towards us. It didn’t grow together here - we’ll play in another place. At the same nuclear power plant and other weapons. Why quarrel out of the blue? And the planes - and to attach where we find, and to the extreme - will come in handy ourselves. Avon what in the world is going on...

Fabulous statement! Henceforth, in the contracts with the ARE, include a clause - to release from the penalty, because they are quite friendly towards us and they themselves bent over. I'm starting to read the comments solely for the mood :-)))

[Heaven]

Quote: paul3390

The S-400 is not a treasure chest. What is needed is the country's air defense system. Otherwise, the most sophisticated air defense systems will be kicked out .. Banal overload with targets, both real and false .. Clear skies on you - it is expensive, very expensive.

Does Ukraine have this air defense system?

[Chronos]

They are replaced by air defense systems by NATO air and satellite reconnaissance.

[Boa kaa]

Well, you fucking give! (With)
What you have listed refers to the RTV of the air defense / missile defense system. This is only the detection of AOS and the warning of troops. And in order to shoot down, you still need air defense systems, active, so to speak, means. As soon as they go high, they immediately get a PRL missile on the lantern ... So, the warning system is important, but not the main part of the air defense system. The main thing, after all, is air defense systems with their active means.

[Chronos]

As I understand it, the dill radars turn on just before an air raid or missile launch, and are inactive most of the time. They receive PRLC missiles (recently Dnepr and Nikolaev), but it is more difficult to knock out air defense installations.

[Vsevolod136]

Quote: Author

Judging by the statement of the commander of the Iranian Air Force, the deal has not yet taken place.

Well, the Iranians are extremely "stuffy" negotiators, worse than the Indians.

[marat2016]

1. Considering the numerous embargoes from the Russian Federation, they have reason ..... 2. The contract was signed (for fighters and Yaks) the question is to start the process of supplying equipment, payment, training, etc.

[Knell wardenheart]

Then there was evidence that Russia exchanged with Iran according to the scheme: "fighters for drones"

I hope this is someone's unhealthy dream. Because changing modern fighters to UAVs is unhealthy, damn it))

[marat2016]

If the Russian Federation does not have UAVs in the required quantity and quality .... If you don’t feel sorry for the pilots, you can rivet a thousand IL-2s instead of UAVs based on 1-3 sorties. The Japanese came up with something similar (kamikaze).

[former soldier]

Quote: Romario_Argo

we have 50 export Su-35 fighters, Egypt, Algeria and Indonesia refused
50 for Iran is while a lot, but even 24 Su-35s will multiply Iran's combat stability
from provocations and attacks by the United States and Israel

We produced only 35 SU-124s. Maybe first arm your army, and then trade? In general, the manufacturers of our weapons of modern technology surprise me, because even at the stage of planning the release, they first of all think and talk about "export potential". But what about the interests of the Russian state?

[Alexander Razin]

Exchange them for attack drones at a good rate. Can I get 500 pieces?

[Alexander Razin]

Quote: Knell Wardenheart

Then there was evidence that Russia exchanged with Iran according to the scheme: "fighters for drones"

I hope this is someone's unhealthy dream. Because changing modern fighters to UAVs is unhealthy, damn it))

And on multi-colored pieces of paper - is it normal to change?

[RaccoonSnake]

It is foolish now to be afraid of cooperation with Iran, after Israel openly supports Bandera.

[Anna E]

Here, as in spirit, everything will be told as it is. Wait, more contracts will be published. "Lyusya" Arestovich has already changed her permanent residence, the outskirts are entering the finish line, it's time to steer. And here's an offer...

[Oleg Barchev]

Egypt receives the construction of a nuclear power plant under the Russian project, and this is about 25 billion dollars of investment and in the future it will receive 4 GW of electricity from 1200 VVR-4,8 reactors. It may even be for the best that the fighter jets could be sold to Iran and Egypt gets a nuclear power plant.

[Zaurbek]

Iran does not have modern radars in the air ... .. Su35S is the only option to strengthen the country's air defense. Moreover, aggression against Iran is possible and it is by air.

[Alien From]

Found a scythe on a stone.

[TIR]

Armament is good, of course, but we need to establish a common trade. Through the same Caspian it is possible. All you need is a port and bulk carriers

[air wolf]

Well, let them buy Chinese!

[FRoman1984]

With all the sympathy for Iran, I think that he has little chance against Israel. IMHO, of course.
In theory, Israel should be beaten now. If you pile on all the F-16s, F-15s, F-35s, then the Iranian "Tors", S-300s will not work. Yes, they knock something down, but they won’t save protected objects from destruction.
Fighter aviation they, one might say, no.

They write that Iran wants to acquire 64 Su-35 fighters, 2 S-400 divisions, a satellite and something else. Of these, some Su-35s are already ready under the Egyptian contract. Pilots need to be retrained, technicians need to be retrained. Obviously not a couple of months.


Most likely, the Su-35 will go with R-77 missiles, which at medium distances is comparable to the AIM-120C-… probably comparable, who knows in reality…
Probably, Avaks will fly with fighters, that is, they will play the role of command centers. Launches will be from long and medium distances, no close air battles. How good will the Iranians be with command centers, radars, if modern Harms start working on them from afar? Before the fighter attack.

The professionalism of Israeli pilots is most likely higher, the ability to handle modern weapons, tactics. It was correctly noted here that the Air Force is a system, and not the performance characteristics of some aircraft.