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Friendship for oil, or Hydrocarbon proposal from Alexander Lukashenko

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The other day from Minsk came the news that the Belarusian president is offering Russia to take an economic integration step towards Belarus. The point is that Alexander Lukashenko is ready for the privatization of Belarusian oil refineries by Russian companies, but on the condition that Russia allows Belarusian companies to produce hydrocarbons in their (Russian) territory. After such a proposal, the experts began one after another to put forward ideas about why Lukashenko needed to talk about such an exchange. After all, today everything on the energy market of the Republic of Belarus looks extremely good: Russia supplies gas to its neighbors at almost domestic prices - around $ 165 per thousand cubic meters of blue fuel; there are no problems with oil either; moreover, its price is several times lower than the world price. If we talk about the average cost of Russian oil for Belarus in 2012 year, then this price was approximately 450 $ per ton of raw materials. In terms of already familiar barrels, the price is around 60 $. If we consider that the price of oil on the world market corresponds to US dollars 110-114, then “Belarusian” oil costs almost 2 times less than the world nominal.

But if everything is so good, then why would Alexander G. need these conversations about the privatization of oil refineries in Belarus, and also the privatization of these enterprises by Russian companies? Disregarding the unexpected manifestations of brotherly love for the Russian Federation, which sometimes unexpectedly fills the Belarusian leader, we can say that Lukashenko decided to play an interesting game that definitely has not only an economic, but also a political background.

The proposal of Alexander Lukashenko has a kind of undercurrent. Outwardly, everything looks like the president’s attempts to further strengthen allied ties with Russia, but these very undercurrents in a certain way wash the so-called Western partners. The situation may well be described as follows: Alexander Lukashenko uses the magic word for the West “privatization”. If we take into account that the European Union decided to extend the sanctions against Belarus during the week, linking these sanctions, as usual, with observance-non-observance of human rights, the message of Lukashenko is understandable. The word “privatization” is obviously capable of attracting the attention of Western experts, who, apparently, will have to have a slightly different look at the state of affairs in the Republic of Belarus. They say that if that same iron Lukashenko decided to soften economically and actually calls for foreign (Russian) business in the holy of holies - the oil refining sector - then we can expect that the political position of Alexander Grigorievich can also be softened.

But the Belarusian president is grated, and therefore privatization in his understanding is not quite privatization on economic terms. Much more banal politics here ...

On the one hand, everything seems to be extremely transparent: Lukashenko transfers a controlling stake in Belarusian refineries (there are two in the republic - the Mozyr Oil Refinery and the Naftan enterprise located in the Vitebsk region), and in return asks for its specialists to produce oil and gas in Russia. It would seem that there is nothing wrong. But on the other hand, do Russian businesses need controlling stakes in Belarusian oil refineries if many oil-producing companies in Russia have managed to open modern refineries in the European Union: Bulgaria, Romania, Holland. Yes, and in Russia, modern refineries a lot. If we talk about refining oil in Belarus exclusively for domestic consumption, then such a project would be clearly unprofitable. Well, to consider the situation with when oil is pumped to Belarus, it is processed here and then returned to Russia, simply incorrectly, because the economic bonuses from such a “distillation” will be clearly unimpressive.

In all likelihood, the Belarusian president is going to use the opportunity not only to hint to the European Union indirectly that he (Lukashenko), in principle, can afford to give up state influence on certain economic sectors, but also to guarantee the stability of energy supplies from Russia to Belarus. Indeed, as is well known, the Belarusian-Russian state (namely state), although it seems eternal and indestructible, but it painfully depends on the moods of both Lukashenka himself and the Russian political elite. And then there is an increase in the volume of deliveries of Russian raw materials through the underwater pipe of the Nord Stream makes the authorities of the Republic of Belarus think ... After all, any demarche of the Belarusian authorities may result in a complete overlap of the valve by Russia or price spikes, as has happened more than once ... Well, this is a political friendship between our states: as in a real Russian family, then hugs and kisses, then things at the door, and the door to the castle ...

And here, at hand, there will be, as it were, privatized plants in the territory of Belarus, to which the fuel for processing will be supplied by Belarusian oil industry workers. Hmm ... Belarusian oil industry ... It sounds strange ...

Assuming that Russia accepts the offer of the Belarusian leader and invites Belarusian specialists to produce oil in exchange for receiving a controlling stake in the refineries in Belarus, one can fully expect radical changes. At the same time, possible changes appear rather negative. Why? Because we all know perfectly well that the very mood of that very Alexander Lukashenko may suddenly change, as has happened more than once, and when the mood changes, he may well cancel all privatization deals with Russian companies, calling them anti-people and predatory. That is why the phrase “as if privatized” was used above. We don’t thank God for privatization, but here we are in relatively similar positions with our brothers Belarusians.

However, Alexander Lukashenko considers all such speculations groundless, because for some time the Belarusians have been actively cooperating with Venezuelan oil companies. They say Venezuelans trust us, and you ... But, really, Venezuelans did not give complete freedom to Belarusian specialists, but decided to leave the partnership in a joint venture. So - for every fireman ...

In general, the proposal of the Belarusian president is a thing that needs to be seriously considered. However, if someone loses from such a deal, it is the Russian oil oligarchy, which for obvious reasons does not want to share an oil needle with its neighbors. It turns out that Lukashenko decided to probe the Russian oil owners on variations of the Russian-Belarusian friendship. In such a situation, the spit can be found on a stone, because both one and the other - people are utterly rested ...
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  1. AIvanA
    AIvanA 19 October 2012 07: 54
    +10
    And why not, the output should be mutual, amers can be allowed.
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 19 October 2012 08: 06
      +21
      Quote: AIvanA
      amers can be allowed.

      better Bulbashs than Canadians, Americans, Norwegians and other zapadentsy. we can’t get away with bulbashs, as some politicians would not want
      1. borisst64
        borisst64 19 October 2012 11: 40
        +11
        Quote: andrei332809
        we can’t get away with bulbashs,


        You can run away with your wife (husband), and Belarusians are our brothers, and unfortunately they live poorly. And Lukashenko sincerely does everything possible to make the people live better, although he probably often does it.
        1. andrei332809
          andrei332809 19 October 2012 11: 44
          +9
          Quote: borisst64
          and Belarusians are our brothers

          he was born in Mogilev. Bulbash always loved. people are calm, friendly. always spent the summer holidays in the glove
        2. ded
          ded 19 October 2012 17: 23
          +5
          And Lukashenko sincerely does everything possible to make people live better


          Yes, therefore, a year ago, he collapsed the Belarusian ruble against 2800 bel. rub. up to 8600 bel rub for 1 $ USA, i.e. 3 to three times!
          For those who have a poor understanding:
          let's say you had $ 10000 in the bank in the bank, but only in Belarusian currency, and literally a couple of days later you come to the bank, and there lies $ 3500 USA! 6500 $ USA stole LUKE! And in peacetime, there was no war in Belarus and no Fukushima!
          1. El13
            El13 19 October 2012 18: 06
            0
            Yeah, Lukashenko woke up in the morning and thinks, and let me rob the people three times ...
            I understand that the people have lost their people, but it’s not Lukashenka’s fault, IMHO, since that time he was not too sweet ...
            1. Anti
              Anti 19 October 2012 18: 26
              -6
              But father correctly muzhik, Glory to But father !!!!!
              1. ded
                ded 19 October 2012 21: 00
                +4
                But father correctly muzhik, Glory to But father !!!!!


                I think so too. What did a friend and faithful ally of Russia after the Georgian war with Assetia and Abkhazia? - Correctly! He did not recognize these republics, although, according to D. Medvedev, he swore and promised that he would recognize them, just give a penny! And where did the president of Kyrgyzstan Bakiev, who was put on the international wanted list, run away (who overthrew the pro-Russian-minded Akayev, and who only did that he took money from Russia against promises to close the American military base, which he never closed)? That's right, in Minsk to Luka!
                1. Anti
                  Anti 19 October 2012 22: 01
                  -3
                  The problem of recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia has not yet become one of today's key Russian-Belarusian relations. Belarus is not against doing this, perhaps the process was suspended by one of the parties. We are working on technical solutions to this issue. As for Bakiev, these are all links in one geopolitical chain. And do not run ahead of the horse. It will be as it should be.
                  1. vanya
                    vanya 20 October 2012 09: 25
                    -2
                    yes indeed, people would long ago recognize Abkhazia and South Ossetia, but Lukashenko will bargain
            2. ded
              ded 19 October 2012 21: 19
              +3
              Yeah, Lukashenko woke up in the morning and thinks, and let me rob the people three times ...


              Have you watched the movie "Wedding in Malinovka"? There was such a character "Popandopalo from Odessa" So here are his winged words that he spoke giving a lot of money: - "Take it, I'll draw myself some more!" This is what Luka is doing, and how it ends for the state, we see in the example of Belarus.
              1. Anti
                Anti 19 October 2012 22: 04
                -1
                Come on, you’ll dramatize everything, everything is so normal, talked with truckers from Belarus, they are happy with everything that happens there.
                And Old Man is respected!
                1. vanya
                  vanya 20 October 2012 09: 26
                  +1
                  and we live here
                  1. io_stalin
                    io_stalin 22 October 2012 00: 02
                    0
                    Quote: vanya

                    and we live here


                    What's the point?
                    What have you done good for the Old Man, for Belarus, for Russia?

                    Is this life ...


                    Izh how all rushed BABLO work out.
                    1. BSSR
                      BSSR 22 October 2012 01: 07
                      +2
                      And what have you done good for your country, or maybe your "good" patriotism towards your country lies in hatred. Yes?
                      Yes, and the nickname of the cha is not very, as if hinting that such need to be wet in the yard
                2. BSSR
                  BSSR 20 October 2012 19: 19
                  +3
                  I also have a distant neighbor Kostya, his relationship with the bow is the same - whoever charged him with a grenade right in the snout to tear it to pieces.
                  Not with those you truckers spoke
                  1. Oles
                    Oles 14 November 2012 14: 34
                    0
                    advice to everyone .. just come to the squirrel and chat with people ..... and everything will become clear to you ....
          2. Oles
            Oles 14 November 2012 14: 31
            0
            all right ....
        3. vanya
          vanya 20 October 2012 09: 20
          +4
          Lukashenko sincerely does everything so that he himself can live well, he cares about the people, and he is pressed for oil so that he can flirt without fear with flail.
          1. Karish
            Karish 20 October 2012 19: 45
            +2
            Quote: vanya
            and oil is pressed for him so that he can flirt without fear with a zapoda.

            Then why should Russia give him this oil?
        4. Lesorub
          Lesorub 20 October 2012 16: 20
          +1
          err .... still we are different, sovereign states for more than 20 years! No matter how we regret, but .... FACT!
        5. Oles
          Oles 14 November 2012 14: 30
          0
          they live terribly ..... just starving ...... and a bald crank .. wow ...
      2. pribolt
        pribolt 20 October 2012 03: 13
        +3
        Quote: andrei332809
        better Bulbashs than Canadians, Americans, Norwegians and other zapadentsy


        Yes, there is a bulbash here in Venezuela called "Belneft" and the employees, too, do not worry, only Sergei Alizar is worth it on weekends KREK smokes corporate phones sells. But the Belarusian ambassador is also known to the KGB department of theirs, well, I think in Russia this is not necessary better than the Norwegians, otherwise they have learned to be a Spanish translator there in Bulbendia, there are tacks, you immediately have a good position in an oil company, but the same Norwegians need it to earn more, there such boobies are not put in positions and who does not understand this are simply boobies themselves, very professional guys worked with the Norwegians about Americans and Canadians, I don't know.
        1. Oles
          Oles 14 November 2012 14: 38
          0
          gebnya finally dolbo \\\\\\ and pid \\\\\ Ry ...... they have a hysteria in the protein and a wave of mass suicides .. spiders eat each other's bank, rip something up all the time and grab it espionage of youngsters .... a bunch of sheep in short ...
      3. datur
        datur 20 October 2012 13: 02
        +1
        andrei332809, it’s logical, let’s better than bulbashi than these !!!! By the way, I myself am half Bulbash half German !!!! yes laughing
  2. predator.2
    predator.2 19 October 2012 08: 07
    +18
    The best option is to recreate the USSR-2, except for some parasitic republics, then everyone needs enough gasoline and bread.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 October 2012 08: 39
      +16
      Quote: predator.2
      , except for some parasitic republics, then everyone needs enough gasoline and bread

      And to nationalize the entire oil industry to Edren Fen, I won’t be surprised if I find out that gasoline in Belarus is cheaper than ours.
      1. mejik
        mejik 19 October 2012 10: 45
        +4
        Last year I visited Minsk. DT in Belarus cost 17 r / l against 25 r / l in the Russian Federation.
      2. Dr. Pilyulkin
        Dr. Pilyulkin 19 October 2012 10: 51
        +3
        Not just the oil industry. All subsoil use. Today on TV I watched a report on how the Chinese are conducting geological exploration in Kolyma. Looking for gold. I'm generally shocked by this situation. Who can explain why Russia itself cannot look for something useful in its bowels? And why should this be done with Chinese raking hands?
        1. tan0472
          tan0472 19 October 2012 11: 04
          +1
          Quote: Dr. Pillkin
          Today on TV I watched a report on how the Chinese are conducting geological exploration in Kolyma. Looking for gold.

          In my opinion this is a direct betrayal of national interests. Surely something, and there are many who wish to mine gold among Russian businessmen. (Although the state should extract all gold by industrial methods. IMHO)
          1. Dr. Pilyulkin
            Dr. Pilyulkin 19 October 2012 11: 50
            +7
            Here is what they write:

            The governor of the Magadan Region, Nikolai Dudov, on a business trip to Moscow, signed agreements with two Chinese companies on exploration of deposits of lead and zinc, antimony, ore silver and gold on the peninsula, FederalPress was informed in the press service of the regional government today, November 28.

            “The first agreement was signed with the China International Engineering and Construction Company of non-ferrous metallurgy, which will study the prospects of developing deposits of lead and zinc in the Susumansky and Omsukchan regions,” the press service said. “The company intends to conduct exploration work to further engage the explored fields in processing.”

            According to the press service, an investment agreement was also signed with the Southwest Mining Company. The project is aimed at the exploration and production of antimony, ore silver and gold in the Utro, Senon and Serebryany deposits in the Olsky district.

            “Your region was chosen as a partner, since the most favorable investment climate in the Magadan region contributes to this,” said Shao Jianxiang, general director of the mining company. “Financing of this investment project will also be directed to the development of the social sphere of the Magadan region.”

            In short, everything is dignified and noble. In this spirit, the report was a complete puppy delight! Everything for you, Russians! This is betrayal and sabotage of pure water! Provision of land for rent, permission for deforestation and exploration, the lack of strict control over migration from China - this is the same as driving a sausage in front of the nose of a hungry stray dog. I do not mind the Belarusians or Ukrainians in the domestic economy. Of course, on an equal footing and without prejudice to the parties. It only brings our peoples together. But when the Japanese or Chinese develop our bowels, it’s too much!
            1. tan0472
              tan0472 19 October 2012 11: 59
              +2
              Quote: Dr. Pillkin
              But when the Japanese or Chinese develop our bowels, it’s too much!

              This is not too much. This is a betrayal. In the future, Russia should not export raw materials at all (in the extreme case, semi-finished products), but the fact that it cannot dig out the earth and cast an ingot is some kind of piz. Other, cultural words - not matched.
        2. predator.2
          predator.2 19 October 2012 12: 13
          +1
          correctly ! and then in 1991 they lit a whole country, like the last sucker!
        3. nerd.su
          nerd.su 21 October 2012 22: 56
          0
          Quote: Dr. Pillkin
          Today on TV I watched a report on how the Chinese are conducting geological exploration in Kolyma. Looking for gold. I'm generally shocked by this situation.

          you read who is mining gold in Russia. Just stock up with validol or corvalol, since you were so impressed with the search! Here at this link you can find several of the largest gold producers in Russia:
          http://www.ria.ru/economy/20120201/553918156.html
          And when you start to find out more about each company, you will see what is hidden, for example, behind the simple Russian name of the Petropavlovsk Group of Companies. Quoting from Wikipedia:

          The Petropavlovsk PLC Group of Companies is one of the largest Russian mining and gold mining holding companies. The company is registered in the UK, the head office is located in London, the group has offices in Moscow and Blagoveshchensk, the main assets are located in Russia, mainly in the Amur region. ""

          Read about most companies, share your thoughts :)
          1. nerd.su
            nerd.su 21 October 2012 23: 05
            -3
            But Lukashenko did well, he consistently defended Belarusian interests!
      3. vanya
        vanya 20 October 2012 09: 35
        +2
        slightly cheaper: 95 0.8813 dale / liter
  3. AAA
    AAA 19 October 2012 08: 11
    +12
    Of course Old Man is a cunning old fox, but why not adopt the Venezuelan experience? Indeed, in any Belarus our guys.
    1. sergo0000
      sergo0000 19 October 2012 08: 38
      +8
      KeepAAA! +
      You can try. Having created the same joint venture. That's right, why is it possible for Amers and Belarusians can’t?
      1. Igor
        Igor 19 October 2012 08: 55
        0
        And who said that they shouldn’t? There is a private Belarusian company, Yukola-Neft, which produces oil in the Volga region and, moreover, exports it to Europe through the Druzhba pipeline. Monthly auctions for the purchase of production licenses are held, but the state committee. Belorusneft is not involved in them)))
    2. ded
      ded 19 October 2012 21: 39
      +2
      Of course Old Man is a cunning old fox, but why not adopt the Venezuelan experience? Indeed, in any Belarus our guys.


      Have you ever wondered why Russia is building the Nord Stream gas pipeline?
      Do you think because the Ukrainians started tyrit gas? So there is Belarus, through which you can pump both gas and oil! So for those who don’t remember that it was Luka ("our guys") who was the first to start tyrt oil or gas (I don’t remember exactly) and impose huge taxes on the transit of these hydrocarbons and it’s not clear why.
  4. Insurgent
    Insurgent 19 October 2012 08: 26
    0
    But Volodin means special only on Lukashenko that not an article from him is only about Lukashenko
    1. Liasenski
      Liasenski 19 October 2012 18: 40
      +2
      The author of the article needs to see the full interview of Lukashenko with the Russian regional media for this Tuesday. The impression that he is not aware of what he is talking about. Lukashenko said that why not Belarus let Belarusians to extract oil, otherwise the Americans and the British can, but we don’t, if briefly, like this, I watched this interview in full. As for the Belarusian oil industry, we have them in the republic and produce Belarusian naphtha, only it is not enough even for domestic consumption and there is no room for sarcasm.
  5. Z.A.M.
    Z.A.M. 19 October 2012 08: 28
    +7
    I doubt that our cunning "businessmen" will agree to this.
    Unlike “ours,” Lukashenka thinks, first of all, of the state, and not of his own condition.
    Lukashenka +, but the article is a minus, because for some reason about the "father", the media, it is either bad or nothing ... Such an approach is depressing ...
    1. Igor
      Igor 19 October 2012 08: 45
      -3
      Your mustachioed collective farmer was already given the Liginskoye field in the Nenets Autonomous Okrug, the Belorussian-Nenets oil company was created for this business, which went bankrupt safely, since the Belarusian side did not provide financing for geological exploration and drilling. with all the infrastructure, so that he only cut money from him and nickname .. I did not invest in oil production and infrastructure))))
  6. topitop
    topitop 19 October 2012 09: 09
    -5
    is it really not clear why this cunningly necessary is necessary?
    next year, the country needs to pay more than $ 3 billion on loans, the solvent scheme has covered up, there is nowhere to take money ... And so will the money for privatization and the oil rig ....
    And with the privatized enterprises, then you can do the same as with Kommunarka and Spartak - take them back.
    1. io_stalin
      io_stalin 21 October 2012 21: 38
      0
      Old Man acts in his own interests, i.e. Our people.
      You have to pray for him ...
  7. maxiv1979
    maxiv1979 19 October 2012 09: 11
    -2
    Someone doubted? Russians fight for us, are we brothers? or not brothers? gas, oil is the same? no?
    1. klava
      klava 19 October 2012 16: 26
      +2
      Right For him, brothers are only for money. You can’t believe.
  8. Lesorub
    Lesorub 19 October 2012 09: 24
    0
    It's too late to rush, Father ... leave these old oil refineries to yourself "as a keepsake" and quickly become part of Russia!
    1. ded
      ded 19 October 2012 17: 45
      0
      It's too late to rush, Father ... leave these old oil refineries to yourself "as a keepsake" and quickly become part of Russia!


      Lesorub You understand the situation correctly! I wonder how long it will take for it to reach those 90% of the "Deer" that graze on this site.
      real unification of Russia and Belarus will take place only when Putin makes the preservation of the Belarusian Khanate economically untenable and unprofitable. Back in 2000 or 2001, Putin made an offer to join Belarus to Russia, but Luka refused. When it comes to the Russians that Belarus makes real steps towards unification precisely when Belarus is having a hard time and has a desperate situation. In all other periods, Luka needs Russia as a "dog's fifth leg"!
      1. Lesorub
        Lesorub 19 October 2012 19: 53
        +3
        I understand, because the son from Minsk and his family moved to Moscow after the default and received Russian citizenship ... EEL SUCH robbery and RULES of doing business in Belarus More and more I begin to become frustrated with some NOT COMPETENT, and sometimes just childishly stupid site cheers Patriots, the logic of enthusiastic idiots, due to their frank amateurism, on a number of issues, causes despondency from forums ...
  9. topitop
    topitop 19 October 2012 09: 27
    +4
    a new residence is being built seven days a week, and residents in new microdistricts suffer without kindergartens and schools.

    ... and meanwhile, people are wondering when and how much the Belarusian ruble will collapse in the next ...
    -------
    why gentlemen are you minus? I am writing the truth and only the truth. Probably you just don’t talk about it on TV ...
    1. FREGATENKAPITAN
      FREGATENKAPITAN 19 October 2012 11: 11
      +11
      You write correctly .... only confuse the concepts ........... we also have kindergartens in Russia, etc. not enough ................ that's just such a thing Homeland........ and God forbid war happen, we’ll not fight for Putin or dad, but for Russia, for Belarus, for our city, for my family .............. ....
  10. NAV-STAR
    NAV-STAR 19 October 2012 09: 37
    +5
    Until our politicians are patriotic and will not compromise, we will not see tight integration. The people need unification, and our active position can accelerate this process.
    1. tan0472
      tan0472 19 October 2012 11: 12
      +3
      Quote: NAV-STAR
      Until our politicians are patriotic and will not compromise, we will not see tight integration. The people need unification, and our active position can accelerate this process.

      I completely agree with you. The issue of unification should be decided in referenda by all, and not behind the scenes, politicians.
      And the modern United Russian-Belarusian state is a kind of half-pregnant misunderstanding.
  11. PARROT
    PARROT 19 October 2012 09: 48
    -19
    Friendship is based on oil and gas, is this friendship? I am sincerely sorry that Belarus wants to join Russia, this is only correct from an economic point of view, Ukraine will not offer Belarus such resources at such a price, but if we take our historical ties, you should know that our languages ​​are similar to 82% ( if I’m not mistaken) that we still had a common language with you 400 years ago, that genetic research says that it is the Poles, Belarusians, Ukrainians, West and South of Russia that are the real Pre-Slavs (separate areas where Ukrainians were resettled in Russia), Indo-Europeans, and also should know that the Russian Empire and the USSR did everything so that you forget what language they spoke, who they were. If you are friends, then do it without integrating culture, and when the society of Ukrainians is closed in Russia, what should I call it? And when we hear from Medvedev that the Russian language should be in all CIS countries and spread further. If I wrote here in Ukrainian, they wouldn’t understand me here.
    1. Manager
      Manager 19 October 2012 10: 37
      +6
      Quote: PARROT
      Friendship is based on oil and gas, is this friendship?

      We are not talking about the friendship of 2 people. And about the friendship of states. And this implies mutual assistance, benefits, etc.

      Quote: PARROT
      I am sincerely sorry that Belarus wants to join Russia

      Envy is a bad feeling. Think for yourself. No need to regret anyone. You can rejoice.
      Quote: PARROT
      then genetic studies say

      Put your research in one place. There is a story and there is what happened. The Poles are not brothers like Belarusians. The Poles have a maximum in common with western Ukraine. Mostly, they are scum. And by the way, have you seen many Orthodox churches in Poland? I'm not 1!

      Quote: PARROT
      If you are friends, then do it without integration
      culture

      Where in the article did you see that we are talking about the integration of culture?

      Quote: PARROT
      And when we hear from Medvedev that the Russian language should be in all CIS countries and spread further.


      And what's wrong with that? Anglo-Saxons launched their language in all their colonies and this does not bother anyone much ...
      1. PARROT
        PARROT 19 October 2012 10: 55
        -11
        Manager just learn the 2 terms genetics and anthropology. When you understand the difference, read what I write below, genetics, unlike anthropology, does not lie. And the fact that they became Catholics, and we Orthodox worries me a little, when it was just Christianity and everyone lived normally. Therefore, to yourselves persuade your speculation, I tell you the facts. As for feelings, envy and regret are different words with different meanings.
        About where I saw that we are talking about the integration of culture - in history.
        And about friendship, everything in our world is relative and the friendship of two people is the same as the friendship of two states.
        1. El13
          El13 19 October 2012 18: 21
          +6
          And I, for example, do not care much about genetics and anthropology, the inner content of a Person, his culture and attitude towards me are much more important to me, I also do not care if I understand him without an interpreter. And also, I think, in places that are not so remote (and at large too) there will be monsters who are genetically and anthropologically similar to you, what conclusions would you like to draw from this ... continue the development of thought yourself. So what to screw your "facts" to?
    2. anchonsha
      anchonsha 19 October 2012 10: 47
      +7
      Your message is wrong
      PARROT, from big Ukrainian ambitions. You need to have a strong country so that you can speak its language, and not sit on two, or even three chairs, changing your policy for the sake of your elite, which completely forgets about the interests of its citizens in order to be closer to European comfort, but as destructive as the same Greece. And in terms of the participation of foreign companies in the development of oil and gas fields, they are beneficial to Russia, since foreigners come with investments and new technologies and on completely different conditions, excellent for which the president of Belarus dreams.
      1. tan0472
        tan0472 19 October 2012 11: 16
        +2
        Quote: anchonsha
        Your message is wrong

        Judging by such epaulets - he always has the wrong message. Personally, I just don’t read long comments of such people.
      2. NKVD
        NKVD 19 October 2012 11: 52
        +2
        Quote: anchonsha
        instead of sitting on two or even three chairs

        This is very dangerous, the ass may crack ..
    3. FREGATENKAPITAN
      FREGATENKAPITAN 19 October 2012 11: 05
      +9
      ....Wow !!!!!!!!!!!! Well, tell me stupid why all of Europe rests in spite of all the crises and problems... And Belarus is shameful with Russia to enter into a fraternal union?

      What genes ... are you talking about? This Bandera came up with for the stupefaction of the people ......


      By the way, I don’t see that in the USA Spanish is declared the second official language ... despite the fact that soon half of the Americans will speak it (and in the southern states up to 70-90%)


      So that retreating your views of the Cold War era with you

      ... If I wrote here in Ukrainian, I would not have been understood here
      If I wrote in English, they also didn’t understand ......

      THIS IS A RUSSIAN LANGUAGE SITE ........... (by the way, many would understand ... I have a Ukrainian wife from Kherson) ..
      1. borisst64
        borisst64 19 October 2012 11: 48
        +4
        And about the Russian language. When you come on vacation (Turkey, Egypt, Greece, etc.), the staff speaks Russian, and therefore they freely communicate with Kazakhs, Ukrainians, Armenians and other nationalities who still think - to be or not to be.
        1. Lesorub
          Lesorub 20 October 2012 16: 45
          +1
          It would be - if it were not for the hunchbacked Yeltsin-stsuki! destroyed, blah ... and create -oh, as it’s not easy now ...
  12. Nagaibak
    Nagaibak 19 October 2012 10: 31
    +5
    Parrotu - basically in Russian. "Then you should know that our languages ​​are 82% similar (if I'm not mistaken) that we had a common language 400 years ago, that genetic studies say that it is Poles, Belarusians, Ukrainians, The West and South of Russia are real pre-Slavs (separate areas where Ukrainians were resettled in Russia), Indo-Europeans "For what I respect" ancient ukrov "is for stupidity. Grushevsky and Valishevsky, my friend! - This is for your passage about the Pre-Slavs. And you generally know that Ukrainian and Belarusian languages ​​are called language. All other Slavs, including Western ones, have a language, and not some kind of mova! Gee ... al bo balachka !!!
    1. PARROT
      PARROT 19 October 2012 11: 04
      -10
      All the other Slavs have it ... the Russians have chtoli, how many of you native Russian people are already there, count ...? The lexically closest to Ukrainian is the Belarusian language (84% of the general vocabulary), then Polish (70%), Slovak (68%) and Russian (62%). The gallogroup R1a is a subgroup of the haplogroup R, the most common in the whole of modern Europe and which geneticists tend to interpret as “Indo-European”. Haplogroup R1a dominates in Eastern Europe and is characteristic of Poles (56%), Russians (52%), Germans (30%). Ukrainians also have a relatively high frequency of haplogroup I1b, a subgroup of haplogroup I, found in 1/5 of all Europeans and almost never found outside Europe - in modern Ukrainians it occurs with a frequency of 16,1%, which brings them closer primarily to Belarusians (16% ), as well as with Romanians (17%), Albanians (17%) and Greeks (18%).
      This is also the answer to those Ukrainophobes who write that during the Mongol-Tatar invasion, the population of Kievan Rus was raped by the Mongol-Tatars.
      1. AAA
        AAA 19 October 2012 11: 30
        +4
        Parrot is not visible here, Ukrainophobes are here, and your Russophobia is close to a woman’s hysteria. Please, don’t bring it. If you even say that English came from Ukrainian, I think no one will be surprised and don’t forget to express it as a percentage
        1. NKVD
          NKVD 19 October 2012 12: 40
          +4
          great ukry lived under dinosaurs ...
          1. IRBIS
            IRBIS 19 October 2012 15: 03
            +3
            They didn’t just live then, buddy, they were their outstanding shepherds. By the way, guess who by nationality were Adam and Eve?
        2. PARROT
          PARROT 19 October 2012 17: 26
          -4
          Yes, of course, these below respect me and my fellow citizens. Such a blatant blatant lie, how typical is the mentality?
      2. borisst64
        borisst64 19 October 2012 11: 55
        +4
        Quote: PARROT
        Russian chtoli

        Body, you are more careful in expressions.
      3. Nagaibak
        Nagaibak 19 October 2012 13: 22
        +1
        PARROT "For all the other Slavs, who has it ... for the Russians?" Of course, are you Indians? Sorry, Indo-Europeans. You write to Moore dear, it's me about your gallogroups. Do you care for the purity of blood? This is familiar to us. Somehow our grandfathers spoiled the blood of these purebreds. Both literally and figuratively. By the way, according to your fantasies Svidomo can answer the following until the 18th century Ukraine was raided by the Crimean Tatars. Until the Crimean Khanate was liquidated by the Russian Empire. So, what about the purity of blood is not necessary lyal. By the way, about the proud Volhynians ukrov, I keep silent about them chpokali who are not lazy, from Hungarians to Poles. And those who were in Bukovina were Romanians. And not necessarily raped. The intermarriage was intense, that's all science.
      4. biglow
        biglow 19 October 2012 15: 41
        +6
        PARROT,
        here is the original of this text
        Currently, the owners of the haplogroup R1a1 make up 70% of the total male population of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus, and up to 80% in the ancient Russian cities and villages. R1a1 is a biological marker of the Russian ethnic group. ... In the western direction, geneticists have complete statistics: in Poland, the owners of the Russian (Aryan) haplogroup R1a1 make up 57% of the male population, in Latvia, Lithuania, the Czech Republic and Slovakia - 40%, in Germany, Norway and Sweden - 18%, in Bulgaria - 12%, and in England - the least (3%).
        If you believe the Americans (and there are no reasons not to believe them: they are authoritative scientists, they value their reputation, and they have no reason to lie - in such a pro-Russian way), then it turns out that 70% of the total male population of Russia is purebred Russians. According to the penultimate census (the results of the last one are still unknown), 80% of the respondents consider themselves to be Russians, that is, 10% more are the Russified representatives of other peoples (it is in these 10%, if you "scratch", you will find non-Russian roots). And 20% falls on the remaining 170-odd peoples, nationalities and tribes living on the territory of the Russian Federation. Total: Russia is a mono-ethnic country, albeit a multi-ethnic one, with an overwhelming demographic majority of natural Russians
        Why are you Galicians so fond of misinterpreting. Now, in the era of free access to information, only a lazy person will not be able to check everything .. And there isn’t a word about any Ukrainians since from the point of view of genetics there are no such people, Ukrainians are a typical Russian nation like Novgorod Pskov residents. Stop lying admirer Stefan Bandera
        1. PARROT
          PARROT 19 October 2012 17: 08
          -3
          I can’t answer everyone, due to the fact that my rating is in the red, the editors consider it correct to put a limit on comments).
          And so the last liar, firstly, this is not the original of my source, the original of mine is an article by Ukrainians in Russian Wikipedia, a section on genetics. Well, here is the original http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%E0%EF%EB%EE%E3%F0%F3%EF%EF%E0_R1a_(Y-%C4%CD%CA)


          ... Bring your source, your original ...) "In my official source, you can see maps on which everything is clearly shown. In general, it is even more a pity for the Belarusians about their complete dependence on the Aligarhs of the Russian people, you cannot be fooled with these Russians if they disagree with you, they will call you 100 times and never admit they are wrong, and as evidence they will not even give you facts, but some kind of orthotic urapatriotic hackneyed phrases, these imperial manners have always distinguished Russians from other Slavs, this impudence with which they want It is strange how calm, reasonable Kazakhs put up with you.
          1. petro
            petro 19 October 2012 22: 45
            -2
            Hi, it’s nice that I’m not alone here. The truth is that I personally don’t swim because of these pagons. On the contrary, as a joke ----- I got one normal in a madhouse ............. But it's nice that I'm not alone here. And how many abnormal ones we will see by my minuses.
      5. petro
        petro 19 October 2012 23: 43
        0
        Trying in vain — facts, figures. For some, it’s just a program that has been laid down and can’t be broken by anything. One hope for a while can be cured.
  13. mejik
    mejik 19 October 2012 10: 43
    0
    Alexander Romanov,
    Last year, diesel fuel in Belarus cost 17 r / l
  14. AAA
    AAA 19 October 2012 10: 47
    +5
    Dear Parrot. You probably don’t know history well. Never in Russia and even in the Soviet Union there was no ban on either national languages ​​or national culture. Until now, Russia has highly respected Shevchenko, Gogol and many other Ukrainian cultural figures. You also probably forgot that such is Kievan Rus. It strikes such an attitude towards history. Why when Ukraine is bad, they always remember there that the Russians are brothers, when no one strangles you, then the damned invaders. If it weren’t for Russia, you would have long been a Turkish province, now wherever you exactly forget your language. I ask the Ukrainians not to be offended, this applies to such Parrotam. I will recall parrot from the English parrot.
    1. PARROT
      PARROT 19 October 2012 17: 15
      -6
      Another typical Russian who calls you illiterate and shows his knowledge of history.
      1627. By the decree of the Tsar of Moscow Alexei Mikhailovich and his father, Patriarch Filaret, it was ordered to collect the books of the Ukrainian press and burn them in the fires, with a strict prohibition to buy Ukrainian books ever in the future. So, in Moscow, the 'Teaching Gospel' of Tranquilion-Stavrovetsky was burned together with his other books and the 'Catechism' of Lawrence Zizaniy Tustanovsky.
      1669. After the Union of Lublin - persecution of Ukrainian books printed on Polish territory,
      1672. A decree prohibiting people in all cities of all ranks from holding books openly or secretly in Ukrainian print houses or in Poland, and whoever has them, is severely ordered to bring and deliver the governor, the local ruler.
      1677. Moscow Patriarch Joachim ordered from Ukrainian books to destroy sheets that are different from Moscow books.
      1689. The Synod forbade the Kiev-Pechersk Lavra to print And the volume of "Cheti-Mena" by Dmitry Rostovsky.
      1690. Moscow Patriarch Joachim by decree banned all Ukrainian writing, and even the volume of the book "Chetya-Menaion" by Daniel the Zatochnik was ordered to burn.
      1693. Letter from the Moscow Patriarch to the Kiev Pechersk Lavra on the prohibition of any books in the Ukrainian language.
      1709 year. The decree of Peter I on the prohibition of printing books in the Ukrainian language, and books printed in Church Slavonic, check with the Russian edition, so that there is no difference.
      1720. Decree of Peter I, so that again no books except church editions should be printed in Ukraine, and those old books with books of the Great Russian press should be equalized so that they don’t have any difference and special dialect.
      This is just the beginning. Http://cerkva.kharkov.ua/novini/arkhiv/267.html here is the full list.
      1. petro
        petro 19 October 2012 22: 54
        -3
        The people, and for what are you minus? Or if there is nothing to cover, it’s easier to press a button. So it does not paint.
      2. biglow
        biglow 20 October 2012 14: 01
        0
        PARROT,
        you better compare the circulation of books in Ukrainian in Soviet times and now and then everything will be more obvious than getting some kind of mossy decrees 300 years ago
  15. Magadan
    Magadan 19 October 2012 10: 57
    +2
    There are only a few countries with whom it is necessary to decide on fairness, and not on profit. These are Belarus and Ukraine. Their ancestors, like ours, mastered Siberia under the tsars and built factories under the USSR. But for some reason we do not consider it fair to share with our brothers. But we consider it fair and "pragmatic" to give all the oil and gas to the thieves-oligarchs-corrupt, so that they can share with the United States! I am not against the participation of American companies, if it is beneficial. But I am in favor of preferences to Ukraine and Belarus. This is true. And the Lord Himself helps those who live by Truth.
    1. 8 company
      8 company 19 October 2012 11: 23
      +9
      Quote: Magadan
      But I am for the preferences of Ukraine and Belarus.


      And where did you get the idea that these preferences will go to the peoples of Ukraine and Belarus, and not to the local "powers that be"?
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 20 October 2012 08: 26
        -1
        If Lukashenko had been tyril, the American CIA would have long ago, the Belarusian experience had sniffed everything
        1. Lesorub
          Lesorub 20 October 2012 16: 00
          +1
          laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing The spiritual simplicity of the Israelis borders on their naivety .....
        2. BSSR
          BSSR 20 October 2012 19: 31
          +1
          Your hatred of everything connected with America will destroy you. Your beloved Old Man destroys all manifestations threatening him in the bud, for this there is the KGB. I am 200% sure that he has a stash in an unknown number of billions of greenery for unpredictable situations or in the case when this parasitic economy is covered with a copper basin. As the USSR fell, the last manifestation of the scoop in Europe will also fall, this is inevitable, and if this nits do not have time to escape then the Hague will seem to him an earthly paradise
          1. Oles
            Oles 14 November 2012 14: 52
            0
            1000% agree .... his stinky brood on the count ....
    2. NKVD
      NKVD 19 October 2012 12: 53
      +3
      Quote: Magadan
      There are only a few countries that need to be addressed with justice, not profit. This is Belarus and Ukraine

      I was in 89. in Lviv, the tendency towards the collapse of the USSR already then began to show anti-Russian sentiments completely captured the west of Ukraine. etc. And how did they become "independent" so they realized that without Russian energy resources you can't live. But what about fat and gorilka ??? And now they started talking about a fair division ?? FUCK YOU
    3. Karish
      Karish 20 October 2012 19: 52
      +1
      Quote: Magadan
      There are only a few countries that need to be addressed with justice, not profit. This is Belarus and Ukraine. Their ancestors, just like ours, mastered Siberia under the kings and built factories under the USSR

      capacitor positive (+) lead

      Quote: Magadan
      But for some reason we do not consider it fair to share with our brothers. But we consider it fair and "pragmatic" to give all the oil and gas to the thieves-oligarchs-corrupt, so that they can share with the United States!

      Gazprom - state. company . But why they sell gas to Ukraine and Belarus is twice as expensive as to Germany - you need to ask GDP.
  16. Oleg S.
    Oleg S. 19 October 2012 11: 29
    +11
    Gentlemen, I was born in Belarus in Minsk and don’t know how to remove the flag of Norway so far)))
    So.
    In Belarus, there is only one raw material that is produced and sold as Russian oil and gas. This raw material is potassium salt. Fertilizer per se. So, it costs a lot cheaper than oil, and does not bring such dividends. What else? Oh yeah ... praised agriculture, which does not have the proper percentage of efficiency, since we live not in chernozem but in a swamp, for example: 68 centners per hectare are collected from France on a standard field, in Belarus the maximum is 33 c. per hectare .... Judge for yourself. And a little more statistics, 85% of exported goods (what the country sells) goes to Russia ... From which a simple conclusion suggests itself, we have been economically dependent on Russia for a long time, respectively, the sale of oil refineries does not play a special political role, there are more that they sold gas pipelines to Gazprom for a long time in 2011, in other words, that is, pipes and land were owned by the Russian tycoon. Accordingly, this is simply the next step in the Denationalization of production.
    Regarding the price of gas. Of course you will excuse me, but the Russian side and business in particular have the most favorable conditions for the transit of gas and oil, other goods through us! Customs Union, I didn’t check my passport on the Moscow-Minsk train nirazu! And forgive me, in view of the crisis, prices in Belarus rose by 2-3 times for all types of goods, but the salary, as always, is lame ....
    1. geo1286
      geo1286 19 October 2012 23: 45
      +1
      Quote: Oleg S.
      about France, 68 centners per hectare are collected from the standard field, in Belarus the maximum figure is 33 centners. per hectare ....



      Put your inventions in that half-cracked part of the body that you think. In Belarus in 2012, AVERAGE, and not a maximum of 37,6 centners per hectare. For example, in the Grodno region, the average yield is higher than 55 c / ha ....
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 20 October 2012 08: 28
        +3
        In Kazakhstan this year, 8 centners per hectare and you do not equal which climates in France and say in the Vitebsk region
        1. BSSR
          BSSR 20 October 2012 19: 33
          0
          do not pay attention he LIES
      2. io_stalin
        io_stalin 21 October 2012 21: 54
        +3
        The intensity of cultivation, productivity, profit from 1 ha in Belarus is awful.
        Catch up with the current ....

        Belarus occupies a leading position in the production of agricultural products per capita among the CIS countries, the Kazakh-Zerno agency reports.

        In 2009, 737 kg of potato was produced per capita, meat - 95 kg, milk - 681 kg, eggs - 355 pieces - these are the best indicators among the CIS countries. By potato production per capita, Belarus is ahead of Kazakhstan 4,2 times, Russia - 3,4 times, Kyrgyzstan - 2,8 times, Ukraine - 1,7 times.

        Twice more meat is produced per inhabitant of Belarus than in Russia and Ukraine, almost 5 times more than in Azerbaijan, 4 times more than in Armenia and Moldova.

        In terms of milk production per capita, the republic is ahead of Ukraine, Kyrgyzstan and Russia 2,7-3 times, Azerbaijan and Moldova - 4,2 times. Belarus takes the second place (239 kg) in the production of vegetables per inhabitant after Armenia (253 kg).

        In terms of per capita grain production (881 kg), the republic is in third place after Kazakhstan (1313 kg) and Ukraine (999 kg). At the same time, Belarus ranks first among the CIS countries in grain yield.

        http://www.carnivorousplant.info/klimat/16776-belarus-lider-po-proizvodstvu-selx
        ozprodukcii-sredi-stran-sng.html
  17. max111
    max111 19 October 2012 11: 46
    -1
    There is another question for how much he is ready to privatize these enterprises, so the dad has nothing cheap and how much he needs to give loans for the development of Belarusian oil production. The funds from privatization will remain beloved in Belarus differently and cannot be.
  18. anfreezer
    anfreezer 19 October 2012 11: 53
    +3
    FREGATENCAPITAN "and God forbid a war happens, we will not fight for Putin or dad, but for Russia, for Belarus, for our city, for our family .................." You can’t say more precisely! +++ drinks
  19. Ustas
    Ustas 19 October 2012 12: 32
    +3
    Alexander Lukashenko is ready to privatize Belarusian oil refineries by Russian companies, but on condition that Russia allows Belarusian companies to produce hydrocarbons in its (Russian) territory.

    This is true!
  20. jury08
    jury08 19 October 2012 13: 20
    0
    Who told you that Belarus dreams of joining Russia ?!
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 20 October 2012 08: 29
      +1
      Well, in Europe, too, does not dream of how you are the most honest truth
  21. sxn278619
    sxn278619 19 October 2012 14: 12
    +2
    Lukashenko does not know the Russian constitution.
    Subsoil belong to the people (state).
    Any oil company is a de facto operator. So the profit rate of Lukoil in 2008 was only 18% at a price of 110 dollars. and the cost of production <10 dollars.
    Lukashenko, however, believes that we are extracting oil, it is ours, what we want is what we do with it.
    Sakhalin-1, Sakhalin-2 directly violate the constitution, for which those who allowed them must be judged.
  22. sxn278619
    sxn278619 19 October 2012 17: 33
    +2
    As everyone knows in Belarus, state capitalism. Why sell a profitable enterprise: either a hole in the budget that cannot be covered by external loans, or an enterprise is not profitable, but unprofitable.
    Who needs old refineries.
    Of course they will buy if the price is low.
    But Lukashenko sets prices from the bulldozer.
    To whom to sell?
    Of course not Russia.
    The level of corporate governance is so low that they will receive a shish with oil and not taxes.
    The only profitable enterprise is Belaruskali.
    quote
    At first, the "narrow group" allegedly estimated the preliminary cost of potash farming at $ 15 billion, and then, taking into account subsequent adjustments, "from above" brought it to $ 40 billion. But this is, rather, the ceiling amount that the authorities would like to see in the event of the sale of Belaruskali.
  23. Rossmk
    Rossmk 19 October 2012 17: 40
    +2
    Why not? All the same, we with the Bulbashs are not going anywhere from each other.
  24. zavesa01
    zavesa01 19 October 2012 18: 17
    +2
    Ukraine, Belarus, Russia. Yes, how much is already possible !! You write yourself that we are BROTHERIC peoples and you yourself are fighting. Not ashamed. WE ARE ALL SLAVES. AND THIS IS OUR STRENGTH. "Divide and rule" has not yet been canceled. It's time to choose who is closer to YOU, Slavs or Negroes, Jews, Saxons. OUR JOINT history is thousands of years old, and all this time we lived TOGETHER. Yes, they swore but also put up everything was in the family, so why stir up the past. You need to live in the present. But in the present we have common enemies and common friends.
    1. v53993
      v53993 19 October 2012 22: 23
      0
      You have a general system error, unfortunately. You confuse people and power, and these are different and sometimes incompatible concepts.
  25. Lesorub
    Lesorub 19 October 2012 20: 06
    -4
    LUKASHENKA is a political prostitute! angry prostituting with his dictatorial habits due to the powerful and rich Russia ....
    and Belarusians are brothers to us!
    on the minuses of this post I determine the number of imbeciles on the forum belay
    1. BSSR
      BSSR 19 October 2012 20: 26
      -1
      Quote: Lesorub
      LUKASHENKA is a political prostitute!

      Perhaps the most sensible post here, will sell his mother for the sake of coveted power
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 20 October 2012 08: 32
        -4
        a prostitute is a lumberjack, and the BSSR, probably the brigade is working, all the sites have been forgotten
        1. BSSR
          BSSR 20 October 2012 19: 42
          -2
          We do not care about people like you who are not friends with facts and do not work with our heads.
          Yes, arguing with patriots of all stripes is like arguing with pigeons about astronomy.
          You can’t prove it, and it’s not necessary. But there are sensible people who understand that all the republics of the former USSR are now suffering because this communism has affected them. And this specter of communism still wanders and gives rise to such hateful remarks to the west and sow just hatred that is alien to Russian people.
          No guys, that won’t work, that’s not right
    2. Anti
      Anti 19 October 2012 22: 11
      -4
      You yourself imbitsil.s.a sad
      1. Lesorub
        Lesorub 19 October 2012 23: 31
        +1
        and I you already counted! wassat
        1. Anti
          Anti 19 October 2012 23: 42
          -2
          Quote: Lesorub
          And I already counted you!


          Once upon a time there was a Goat who learned to count to ten wassat Do you remember the cartoon?
          1. Lesorub
            Lesorub 20 October 2012 10: 43
            0
            and your mind is weak - CUTE ... wassat
            1. Anti
              Anti 20 October 2012 11: 22
              +1
              Lesorub,

              Snort? Justify. lol
              1. BSSR
                BSSR 20 October 2012 19: 50
                0
                You're apparently always anti, tobish against
                Well, there’s nothing to scrape, justify it yourself and maybe then you’ll respect you

                Although I don’t think about your posts, 2 words are probably your ceiling
                1. Anti
                  Anti 20 October 2012 22: 09
                  -5
                  I’m like a thread of resentment without respect wassat

                  Glory to But father !!!!!!
    3. v53993
      v53993 19 October 2012 22: 26
      -4
      It's strange, the flag is Russian, but it speaks like an enemy. We will judge our "Friends" by their deeds ...
    4. Insurgent
      Insurgent 20 October 2012 08: 30
      0
      People like sheep will go for a shepherd would be a pro-Western politician for a long time Belarus how the Baltic States would be in the EU is a fairy tale people want
    5. vanya
      vanya 20 October 2012 09: 44
      +1
      Lesorub fully support
      1. Lesorub
        Lesorub 20 October 2012 16: 04
        0
        hi djakuyu schiro! sorry for the mistakes potassium weasel ...
  26. v53993
    v53993 19 October 2012 22: 15
    0
    They bend to the West, but they don’t want to stand next to Lukoshenko. Is this such a Slavic policy of unification?
    Again, the peoples will have to decide everything, after having previously cleaned up corrupt politicians.

    Judging by the time of updating (checking information), the site administrator consults with Tel Aviv. (is it really for this harmless opinion banned?)
    1. Lesorub
      Lesorub 20 October 2012 16: 11
      +1
      BowАshenka, literate .... and then, West, North, South and East are not to blame for the fact that we live the way we live now ... THIS is our gouging! Mine, well, if you want ... and yours. Only in this way, realizing that in our country everything depends on us, we can build a normal life ...
  27. wow
    wow 19 October 2012 22: 27
    0
    Never, anyone, anywhere should be allowed. Do not allow someone else's (neighbor's) heifer to your udder! It will be pumped up and will start to "bore", burp. This has happened more than once or twice. The question of "alliance" or "brotherhood" does not imply the concept - "what will you give us?" Especially suffer from this, but Old Man is also good. And why, in fact, Russia should "give" something. Let's put the question differently - or we'll get out of the ass together, where our communist "leaders" drove us and rest on success, or we'll perish together if we can't win! But for some reason no one wants to be friends like that. And for x ... we then have such a "friendship"!
    1. v53993
      v53993 19 October 2012 22: 33
      0
      Or maybe it's enough to blame everything on the communist "leaders". By the way, which of them do you mean?
      I believe that Russia will not give up, because my children and I will not give up. And there are more of these than corrupt liberals think.
  28. Eltoro
    Eltoro 20 October 2012 06: 02
    +1
    I completely agree with one of the previous speakers - it is necessary to give preferences to Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan, etc. If, of course, we seriously rant about any association in the foreseeable future. It is impossible to solve such a problem with a whip, all the more so since there have already accumulated plenty of mutual claims and grievances - no matter - real or far-fetched. Gingerbread is needed here and only gingerbread. While the pipe is still working and some pennies are available, I believe that investing in the former republics is the most profitable investment. Regardless of any of their tricks. If the people they know that the great Russia really helps, then politicians will sooner or later be forced to make amends for this wind. And mutual reproaches and counting cents ... We are a great power, damn it! Condescendingly have to be to younger brothers
  29. dld35057
    dld35057 20 October 2012 07: 16
    0
    Ahrenet - how people swear for not their Russian property, your friends and don’t have anything national - oil and gas are not yours and the aligarchs and everything else is a paralyzed country and you don’t notice that we don’t run into Belarusians,
    1. BSSR
      BSSR 20 October 2012 19: 59
      0
      Countryman, but no one runs into. Here, rather, the situation is in ignorance of what is happening. And as for the enslaved it is already too, those days have passed

      although, sorry, I didn’t understand your thoughts very well
  30. Insurgent
    Insurgent 20 October 2012 14: 41
    0
    Muggins-psheks get tips from the EU, but soon the freebie will end.
  31. Lesorub
    Lesorub 20 October 2012 16: 51
    0
    Well, what YABYONOSSy boom of the Eurasian Economic Community in a union state TO TURN ?? !!
    I am for !
    1. Liasenski
      Liasenski 21 October 2012 16: 48
      0
      YABENARAS is not with you, but YES, with RUSSIA.
  32. Sorry
    Sorry 1 November 2012 08: 12
    0
    Long live Belarus! A.G. Lukashenko for the presidency of the Union State! Those who write badly about Belarus, go there and see. You don’t want to go back to Russia. After our propaganda, I want to go to Georgia as well. Surely I will see everything exactly the opposite.