Reinforced protection BMPT "Terminator" withstands the hit of Western anti-tank systems used by the Armed Forces of Ukraine

The use of the BMPT "Terminator" in the zone of the special military operation of the Russian army in Ukraine showed that the support vehicle is very resistant to defeat and can withstand hits from Western anti-tank systems delivered to Ukraine.

As an informed source said, in the battles in the Donbass, Russian BMPTs more than once used Javelin anti-tank systems and other anti-tank systems and grenade launchers, massively supplied to Ukraine by Western sponsors of Kyiv. Thanks to enhanced protection, the car got off with minor damage, which was corrected in the field.

The experience of combat operations shows that the Terminator BMPT, due to its increased protection, can withstand hits by the Javelin anti-tank systems, as well as other NATO-made anti-tank systems and grenade launchers. After these episodes, the car needed minor repairs in the field, combat capability was fully restored.

- leads RIA News source words.

Earlier, another source reported that the BPMT showed high efficiency during the SVO precisely because of its enhanced protection and multi-channel weapons, which allow firing at several targets at once. Support vehicles tanks were used with high efficiency in urban battles, managing to destroy enemy infantry threatening tanks. In the field, the BMPT also received positive reviews from the Russian military.

The appearance of the BMPT "Terminator" in the zone of the NWO became known at the end of spring, when these vehicles were caught on video near Severodonetsk. Then Kyiv announced the use of BMPTs by the Russian army in the area of ​​the Lisichansk-Artemovsk highway. The first official mention of tank support vehicles from the Ministry of Defense came only in July.

Comments

[Victor_B]

There are many videos and reviews on the use of Sunscalders, even destroyed ones are shown.
The enemy also speaks very impartially about them.
No doubt about the need and effectiveness.
And only a few photos of the Terminators on the march.
That's it!
About the application, only general words, they say - applied

Earlier, another source reported that BPMT showed high efficiency during SVO

Where, when, under what circumstances - here is a heroic crew in front of you, not a single military commander has seen their use.
Moreover, the enemy also does not mention them at all, apparently terribly frightened.

[Russian]

Yes, it’s generally strange, if the technology is so cool, why haven’t mass production been established so far? Six months from the beginning of the operation has already passed

[Victor_B]

I recommend to read
https://topwar.ru/194308-ukraina-nu-i-gde-ty-bmpt-.html

[YOUR]

And what is there to read? Yes, it's well written, but what's the point? Reflections from the series I am an artist, I see it this way.
There will be facts about the use of machines in combat, the conclusions made by the military who used and those who generalized their use. Then we can talk about their effectiveness, but for now, words, words, words ....... The chief engineer of the plant, advertising the car, wrote that it would replace 40 soldiers and 6 infantry fighting vehicles. Where are such conclusions from?
I agree with the assessment of BMPT with V.I. Murakhovsky

My personal opinion is that a machine like the Terminator is dubious. Simply because it does not have any advantages that are significant over the main battle tank. Neither in terms of the fire control system, nor in terms of the capabilities of conducting reconnaissance, surveillance and target designation, nor in terms of the capabilities of their weapons. That's why I say that finding the Terminator's place in battle formation is problematic.

In terms of their reconnaissance capabilities, BMPTs are in no way superior to the means of observation and fire control of the same tanks.

[Sergey824]

And why compares terribly and a hedgehog. Compare with armored personnel carrier. Everyone saw the combat use of armored personnel carriers. He leaves from behind the shelter, almost point-blank shot and back. Kamikaze! I am sure that 100℅ of us in a similar situation chose BMPT.

[YOUR]

So they compare not with an armored personnel carrier, but with a tank.

Quote: Sergey824

He leaves from behind the shelter, almost point-blank shot and back. Kamikaze! I am sure that 100℅ of us in a similar situation chose BMPT.

Those. the use of BMPT is very limited.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Sergey824

I am sure that 100℅ of us in a similar situation chose BMPT.

Motorized riflemen - yes, they would have chosen BMPTs instead. But the tankers are no longer sure.
Because an armored personnel carrier is not only cardboard on wheels with 2A72, but also 8 (in theory, with 100% filling of the states) dismounted motorized riflemen, who detect targets potentially dangerous for the tank and either suppress them with fire, or give out control to the tank.
It would be better if instead of BMPT they made TBTR on the same base.

[bovi]

The inadequate name of the technique is striking. Instead of infantry support, tank support is indicated. This semantics may not be clear to people with a cockade, but it should be noticeable to engineers by now.
Please note that initially the Frame had a long-range sparky counter, the same metaphor for a "very heavy automatic sniper rifle." When used against tanks, this leads to the paradox "another tank can do the same thing itself."
After that, the change of concept is a fierce close (grenade launchers, two operators, expansion of the field of observation). Practice has shown that the tank platform for reconnaissance in combat also does not define a unique niche. And really, where does the correspondence come from, if first the charter, which normalizes the application / practice, and there is no "framework" in the charter.
Read in this vein the article on the link that you were offered and it is not at all surprising that the current pale information support of the BMPT.
PS. I want to draw attention to the appearance of a "very heavy sniper rifle" on the VDV-Typhoon platform, announced recently. Apparently, someone "does not let go", but the opinion about heavy fire support equipment was formed from practice.

[YOUR]

BMPT was created to support tanks on the battlefield. He walks behind and threshes at the identified targets that are hidden in the bushes. Maybe in this case it would be good. But where are those tank breakthroughs, tank attacks, but they are not. From afar, heavy trunks fired at the buried infantry, try to come closer. An example of a counteroffensive ukrov. Even during the Second World War, both ours and the Germans and everyone else abandoned light trunks. It turned out that the lightest barrel is a 76.2 mm gun. Armament BMPT 2 * 30 mm, firing flat fire, pick them out of the trenches, two AGS with their light grenades, 4 ATGMs covered with some kind of pseudo-armor shields. Why pseudo? On the Military Chronicle there is a video of a shell falling 10 meters from the Tiger-SpN, a lot of through nailing, i.e. rockets that are not covered are damaged in battle at one time.
So what's good about the car?

[bovi]

Vladimir, you should still watch an interview with the designer of "Frames". At least we have two versions of the machine, which are about two different concepts of application "in the idea", but "in fact" it turned out that neither one nor the other did not take off.
True, 12 copies made it possible to actually evaluate where and how much.

[Alex777]

Quote: YOUR

Even during the Second World War, both ours and the Germans and everyone else abandoned light trunks. It turned out that the lightest barrel is a 76.2 mm gun.

Then there were no shells with remote detonation. 57 mm with them is very effective.

[YOUR]

Quote: Alex777

Then there were no shells with remote detonation.

Are you serious?
The Americans were the first to use such shells, as a result, the consumption of shells for each downed Yap plane decreased, if not hundreds, then tens of times.
Explain how shells with remote detonation have to do with anti-tank defense? Or to break through defense in depth, prepared in terms of engineering.
Projectiles with remote detonation are available in large quantities and with a wide range, for example, 3Sh1 - 122 mm, 3Sh2 - 152 mm

[Alex777]

Quote: YOUR

Explain how shells with remote detonation have to do with anti-tank defense?

And what does 76,2 mm have to do with anti-tank defense? And what does anti-tank defense have to do with it?

Quote: YOUR

Or to break through defense in depth, prepared in terms of engineering.

Does the BMPT face such tasks? Didn't hear.

Quote: YOUR

Projectiles with remote detonation are available in large quantities and with a wide range, for example, 3Sh1 - 122 mm, 3Sh2 - 152 mm

Which side are these calibers to the BMPT? None.

[28st region]

Quote: Alex777

Does the BMPT face such tasks? Didn't hear.

What have you heard about BMPT?

[YOUR]

Quote: Alex777

And what does 76,2 mm have to do with anti-tank defense? And what does anti-tank defense have to do with it?

Are you talking about 57 mm with dist. undermining wrote. Why it is not clear how and why he mentioned 76.2 mm.
Answer for the answer?

Quote: Alex777

Does the BMPT face such tasks? Didn't hear.

Huh , I didn’t hear at all what tasks they face. If you are aware please let me know.

Quote: Alex777

Which side are these calibers to the BMPT? None.

Just an answer for the sake of an answer.

[KCA]

Is this GPD-30 a weak light grenade? Nurse, no, well, of course, a concrete bunker will not break through, but the calculation from the anti-tank system will be disassembled into components at once

[YOUR]

This, of course, is very important, the AGS is on the tank, though not on the tank, but ... well, you understand. But here's what the 100 mm cannon on the BMP-3 is a more pleasant little thing for calculating anti-tank systems.

[Okakakiev]

AGS is generally an excellent weapon against infantry. Better than a tank gun often

[Old_Major]

And who is Murakhovsky? He interviewed the military, was he present during combat use and more than once? Now "experts" are divorced like fleas on a dog. I graduated from the command military school, took part in military operations, commanded personnel in battle, and I don’t presume to judge.

[YOUR]

Viktor Ivanovich Murakhovsky (born March 6, 1954, Saratov, RSFSR, USSR) is a Soviet and Russian military and public figure, a retired colonel, a member of the Expert Council of the Board of the Military Industrial Commission of the Russian Federation.
As you can see, not an old major, but a colonel and even a member of the Expert Council .... well, etc. A person who, in his work, is faced with a variety of weapons and equipment. Apparently he knows what he's talking about. And he participated in the tests, read the full performance characteristics and test reports to a minimum. Has the ability to compare different types of equipment and weapons. Can you do it?

[Negruz]

How many reserve colonels are there in Russia?

[YOUR]

One like him

[Negruz]

Why all of a sudden?

[YOUR]

Especially for you
Viktor Ivanovich Murakhovsky (born March 6, 1954, Saratov, RSFSR, USSR) is a Soviet and Russian military and public figure, a retired colonel, a member of the Expert Council of the Board of the Military Industrial Commission of the Russian Federation. A person who, in his work, is faced with a variety of weapons and equipment. Apparently he knows what he's talking about. And he participated in the tests, read the full performance characteristics and test reports to a minimum. Has the ability to compare different types of equipment and weapons.

You know, name some more

[Negruz]

ANY former commander of a tank battalion of a tank regiment of a motorized rifle division or a tank battalion of a tank regiment of a tank division ...
Murakhovsky s 1988 years working as a journalist, if you don't already know....

[YOUR]

Oh how! Turns out

Quote: Negruz

ANY former commander of a tank battalion of a tank regiment of a motorized rifle division or a tank battalion of a tank regiment of a tank division ...

Member of the Expert Council of the Board of the Military-Industrial Commission of the Russian Federation. Are you sure of this?

[Negruz]

Absolutely!
Murakhovsky - editor-in-chief of the magazine "Arsenal of the Fatherland" ...)))

By the way, the collegium of this commission has a scientific and technical council, in which there is no Murakhovsky, and there is no "expert council" at the collegium at all ...

[YOUR]

This is for self-education.
http://government.ru/department/402/events/

[Negruz]

This is for self-education.
http://government.ru/department/402/events/

This is the board...

[YOUR]

Here are the reviews from the BMP-3

https://ok.ru/video/3759331871360

There are a lot of reviews about the BMP-1, 2, about tanks, when the BMPT appears, then it will be possible to talk.

[Fitter65]

Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й

Why haven't mass production started yet?

Yes, yes, scold them, scold them ... In fact, the Terminator was officially accepted only for trial operation. Passes, to put it mildly, military tests. It was produced in a small series, and the first cars differ even externally from the subsequent ones. This can be seen from the photo in open sources.

Quote: Victor_B

Moreover, the enemy also does not mention them at all, apparently terribly frightened.

And how many of these Terminators are in the troops? According to open sources, about 10.

Quote: Victor_B

here is a heroic crew in front of you, not a single military commander has seen their use.

So about the T-90S, too, somehow there are no such correspondent reports. And Pro Mi-28 is somehow mentioned in passing. Yes, the same MLRS based on KamAZ flashed on the screen only a couple of times, mainly Hurricanes on the ZIL-135, and Grads, and mostly in the Urals -375D. They show what the average person needs to know, and the experts themselves will decide what, to whom, where and how.

[Sergey3]

And how many new tanks did Uralvagonzavod deliver? If I'm wrong, correct me, but 10 pieces were handed over to the state for the whole year and this is not the factory's fault, they just ordered so much. How much was exported is not advertised now, but most likely much more than ten.

[abc_alex]

Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й

Yes, it’s generally strange, if the technology is so cool, why haven’t mass production been established so far?

Because the machine does not correspond and never did correspond to the TK issued when it was created. This machine should cover the tanks in the first line. She cannot cope with this task. Therefore, the military has refused to buy it for more than 20 years.

But as a support vehicle for assault infantry units, it may and will be in demand. But for this, it is necessary to transfer vehicles from armored formations to infantry ones, and to modernize or adapt the vehicle already as an assault tank, and not as a Tank Support Fighting Vehicle.

Well, maybe after Ukraine this is exactly how it will be ...

[Konnick]

Because the machine does not correspond and never did correspond to the TK issued when it was created. This machine should cover the tanks in the first line. She cannot cope with this task. Therefore, the military has refused to buy it for more than 20 years.

This whole story of the creation of the BMPT arose from the fact that they made such a tank that cannot fight against infantry, i.e. anti-tank according to the German concept. A vehicle was needed that would clear the direction from the infantry where the tank was moving.
Why a tank then? Against other tanks? But against other tanks, vehicles with ATGMs work well, more accurately and cheaper than a tank. And so directly the plot from "Yeralash" "I'm with you, Vasya"

The boys take part in the running competition. A friend of the runner Vasya encourages him and says all the time: "I'm with you, Vasya!" Runs the whole distance with Vasya and gives him advice. Vasya takes first place in the competition.

[abc_alex]

Quote: Konnick

This whole story of the creation of the BMPT arose from the fact that they made such a tank that cannot fight against infantry, i.e. anti-tank according to the German concept. A vehicle was needed that would clear the direction from the infantry where the tank was moving.

You are wrong. This story arose from the understanding that infantry anti-tank weapons would not allow tanks to be passively protected in the future. No tank will ever be able to simultaneously withstand an attack from 3-4 azimuths with ATGMs, grenade launchers and small-caliber artillery.
Also, no tank is able to withstand the increased firepower of field artillery. Today, not only have MLRS developed, but also barreled self-propelled artillery is able to compete with it in terms of fire density.
Already in the 70s, the military realized that there were two ways to protect tanks - active tank protection systems and increasing the speed of movement across the battlefield. The first will make it possible to defend against grenade launchers and anti-tank missiles, and the second will overcome the "foreground" as quickly as possible and get closer to enemy positions where artillery will not shoot.
But on both paths, the covering infantry stood up as an obstacle. For her, the AZ system was dangerous in itself. And infantry can move across the battlefield at a maximum speed of 7-6 km / h.
But dismounted motorized riflemen have one indisputable advantage - these are several mobile firing points. And a tank, any tank, is one firing point, a maximum of two.
So the concept of the BMPT appeared - a heavily armored vehicle with several firing points, combining a weapon set corresponding to a motorized rifle platoon on an infantry fighting vehicle. 30 mm cannon, grenade launcher, machine gun. And a few firing points. Therefore, the first BMPT concepts were double-turret.

Here, in fact, is the whole story. And our tanks do not follow any "German" concept. Our concept of the tank was developed on the example of the T-34, fixed by the IS line and, in fact, it has remained so since then. Let me remind you that the Germans never had their own tank concept, they followed the Anglo-French concept. And the Tigers and Panthers appeared as a response to Soviet technology. The Germans tried to formalize their own concept and BT system, but it was already in 1944 and ended in May 1945.
In our country, the armament of the tank has always consisted of one universal gun and a machine gun / a pair of machine guns. Our modern T-2s differ from 90 MV tanks only in the caliber of the gun and the FCS. Here is a tank on Armata - that's something else.

[Sancheas]

The sun still works in the rear, it is easier to remove it. In addition, the technique is not new, it was used in Syria, and Pinocchio even in Afghanistan. And to report on the effectiveness of the use of a particular technique is to pour water on the side of the intelligence of our "partners".

[ism_ek]

Quote: Victor_B

There are many videos and reviews on the use of Suns,

There were 2018 Solntsepeks in 72, and 10 Terminators. Plus, the BMPT takes part in contact battles, which leads to losses.

[YOUR]

There are many videos about the use of tanks in combat, there are many videos about the use of infantry fighting vehicles, infantry fighting vehicles in combat. There are a lot of testimonies and stories of direct participants. But not a single one about the use of BMPT.

[bovi]

don't even lose the case. almost 100% sure that taking pictures and comments on the BMPT is prohibited, and since there are 10 of them, they perform without gouging.

[Sergey3]

It’s just that the militias of the LPR and DPR are mainly taking pictures, and the BMPT is in the regular parts of the Russian Federation, from there the video is generally orders of magnitude smaller, apparently banned and controlled. The Chechens do not count here, from the very beginning it was like a PR campaign for them, and to be honest, it justifies itself precisely as an element of countering the information war of the West against Russia. And the Chechens have nothing to declassify, they have no secret weapons, only specialized armored vehicles, in which there is nothing secret.

[smart ass]

Javelin strikes the target from above! Please explain to me the specialists that they strengthened in an uninhabited tower?

[YOUR]

There are no enhancements, this is the author's invention.

[BARKAS]

Javelin strikes the target from above! Please explain to me the specialists that they strengthened in an uninhabited tower?

It must be assumed that only an uninhabited tower is affected.

[smart ass]

Perhaps, due to the height of the uninhabited tower, it dissipates the force of the explosion from above, looks more like propaganda

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Clever man

Perhaps, due to the height of the uninhabited tower, it dissipates the force of the explosion from above, looks more like propaganda

And what about propaganda? The crew sits partly in the hull, partly (2 people) under the remote weapons. The remote armament also serves as an additional cover (protection) for the commander and operator of the main armament. When hit by an ATGM, part of the armament fails, the crew is alive. Repair (replacement) of damaged equipment and you can go back to battle.
Pay attention to the hatches of the operators, which is next to the driver

[Denis812]

sit in the tower and wait for the arrival.
I don't know how else to explain

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Javelin strikes the target from above! Please explain to me the specialists that they strengthened in an uninhabited tower?

The defeat of the cumulative ammunition is a hole in the armor + scattering of fragments and remnants of the cumulative jet inside the armored vehicle.

That is, if the tower is uninhabited and there are no paper shells like in tanks that burn from everything in a row, then even a defeat in the BMPT tower by Javelin does not lead to the death of the crew and critical damage to the vehicle. Yes, something can stop working, but it can all be fixed.

In the case of a tank, the defeat of the tower often leads to the ignition of paper cartridges with gunpowder and the subsequent detonation of high-explosive shells.

When tankmen say that they ride on a barrel of gunpowder, this is not a metaphor, it is a reality. There are several videos on the net of tankers getting burned out of tanks in which gunpowder is burning in shells, it is hotter than hell at that moment. There is no such thing in the BMPT, it is difficult to set fire to gunpowder of 30-mm shells, and from the frontal and side projection, the BMPT is very well protected by armor and remote sensing.

In fact, the BMPT is a heavy infantry fighting vehicle, in terms of armament and protection, it just doesn’t carry troops.

We need heavy infantry fighting vehicles, with a tank base and armament from infantry fighting vehicles - a 30-mm cannon + a 12,7 machine gun.

The Israeli Namem is the ideal variant to strive for. They even put KAZ on him.

Such a machine and tanks will support and itself is stable in battle and will take out the wounded from the front line.

And our floating infantry fighting vehicles are outdated, such vehicles should be left only in reconnaissance units, and shock battalions should be on heavy infantry fighting vehicles and heavy armored personnel carriers, here saving will cost us a lot of blood.

[Roma 1977]

I agree with everything, except for the need for a 30mm gun. This caliber is obsolete. Requires a heavy machine gun for direct fire at lightly armored targets, an automatic grenade launcher for canopy fire, and (probably) a 57 mm high ballistics automatic weapon capable of firing telescopic and remotely detonated ammunition.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

The 57-mm cannon will have a smaller ammo, guided detonation projectiles are expensive, as is the combat module itself, the country's capabilities may not be enough to provide the required number of such infantry fighting vehicles and b / c to them.

But of course, such modules are also needed, but not as basic ones, but as additional ones, moreover, in the air defense version with optical guidance and with small radars with AFAR. Such a machine will cover strike groups from reconnaissance UAVs of various types, starting with a quadrocopter, as well as low-flying aircraft and helicopters. The Germans already have something similar, we have this Derivation-Air Defense, only it must be installed not only on the chassis from the BMP-3, but also on the heavy BMP.

[Negruz]

Javelin strikes the target from above! Please explain to me the specialists that they strengthened in an uninhabited tower?

In terms of the degree of stubbornness, your question is simply out of competition ...

[Sergey3]

And how can you stop the javelin with armor, the declared penetration characteristics are about 800 mm, the most effective way to protect the tank from complete destruction is to minimize the ammunition load in order to reduce the risk of ammunition detonation inside ..

[Romario_Argo]

according to the CBO, it became clear that we lacked TOS-1A Solntsepek, now there are less than 100 of them
but only the 8th combined arms army needs at least 70 TOS

[Johnson Smithson]

About the application, only general words, they say - applied

no one else has this type of weapon
Why just leak valuable information like that?

[Saboteur_Navy]

Excellent technique! I hope that the Marine Corps will also get it, because they are masters of street fighting in the city, and the Terminator is directly created for urban battles, coupled with armored personnel carriers and tanks, there is a huge combat power!

[tihonmarine]

Today, the land has taken over M.S. Gorbachev's hands.
I don’t write bad, I don’t say good.

[Nexcom]

Our most important has already deeply condoled .... They write in the news.

That's what I'm afraid of - lest the memory center again fail, like Borka. And God forbid, again in Ekaburg, the liberda will again hold their Sabbaths there.

[Ryaruav]

I want to believe that over time it will be either the homes of pioneers or the stations of young technicians and IT specialists in accordance with time and technical progress

[blackcat]

And why do we have it, he’s been eating in Germany lately, so let them make a center in Berlin, well, he did more for the Germans and Americans than for us, he united the Germans and the USSR collapsed, or allowed to collapse

[nnm]

Worthy position, dear colleague!

[Nexcom]

And what, do you seriously think that there are those here who will remember him with a kind word? No, nevertheless, probably, unfortunately, there is, if they started to minus furiously.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Nexcom

And what, do you seriously think that there are those here who will remember him with a kind word?

Well, if for this news, I got one minus, then there are.

[Nexcom]

So you are not alone, I was also downvoted a couple of times for answering you.

[smart ass]

Keep the thumbs up don't worry

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Clever man

Keep the thumbs up don't worry

Thank you, I also upvoted, otherwise Gorby's lover put you a minus.

[max702]

He was accompanied by a flurry of ridicule at the grave,
Some laughed just madly.
And only I, only I alone sobbed.
I so dreamed of seeing him hanged.

[Archivist Vasya]

Glassy! What is there to hide. And where, interestingly, is the material on VO about this ...
Have you noticed how in one year all Belovezhskaya traitors perished?

[Konnick]

Reinforced protection BMPT "Terminator" withstands the hit of Western anti-tank systems used by the Armed Forces of Ukraine

If so, then what are we waiting for, forward to Kyiv ... or still, with a 30-mm ammunition load, repairs are needed

After these episodes, the car needed minor repairs in the field, combat capability was fully restored.

And if they were with 125-mm shells ... would repairs be no longer needed?

[max702]

In the cart they wrote about several hits of tank cumulatives in the forehead, the car withstood, no one wrote about "crowbars" ..

[Zaurbek]

It is made on the basis of the fresh T90 and T72 .... there the armor is very perfect and the BMPTs come with all the additional armor packages ...... there are no modern "long" crowbars even in the Russian army (not even the T90M yet), the Ukrainians do not all the more so ...... Against the BMPT, oddly enough, only the old powerful TOU2 and something like Kornets with a penetration of about a meter will do. Because there is no one in the tower, and the roof-breakers do not penetrate so much in cm

[Okakakiev]

Relic is effective against tandem ammo, so even Tov2 might not work.

But the cornet from 1200 is already incomprehensible

[Zaurbek]

I meant a powerful 150mm ATGM in caliber ... TOU has many versions of about 1000mm for DZ. Helfire is also powerful.

[Okakakiev]

As far as I know, the cornet is more powerful than both the tou2 and the helper.
And in this case, it will not be possible to overcome dz. The relic works against tandem missiles like tou2

[Zaurbek]

The TOU has several missiles .... there are also Roofbreakers and with penetration up to 1m behind the remote sensing ...... this is quite enough for any modern tank.

[Okakakiev]

I draw your attention to the fact that here you cannot use the concept of breaking through the DZ.

DZ relic does not allow this. You can only break through the main armor + DZ, and this in protected projections on the BMPT and t90m is also more than a meter in total

[Zaurbek]

Well then, let's stop at a comparison with the Cornet 1000mm and 1200mm .... and we need to understand whether this indicator can withstand the forehead of a tank or BMPT ...

[Okakakiev]

In theory, it will withstand if this is the latest modification like BMPT or T90m

1000 will definitely stand it, but 1200 is not clear

[Zaurbek]

This is a pitchfork on the water for now ...... And the BMPT is not equal to the cart from the T90M ....... there is either a fresh cart from the T72, or the T90 of early releases. and You need to understand that the crew there is not small and everything is in the base ..... and non-penetration from 150mm ... this is also a defeat.

[Okakakiev]

No, this is a fairly well-known thing. They say that m1a2 has 900 in the tower against cumulative ones. But this is when it was .... And this is a relic without a dz type.

Taking into account d3, there are about a thousand or more

[svp67]

At the moment, this combat vehicle with the strongest armor protection that we use there ...

[nnm]

VO recently had a very interesting article about BMPT. Didn't read? It would be interesting to know your opinion.
https://topwar.ru/200494-bmpt-terminator-dorogo-nenuzhno-i-staro.html

[Victor_B]

The article is really great.
https://topwar.ru/194308-ukraina-nu-i-gde-ty-bmpt-.html

[nnm]

I'm talking about another article))):
https://topwar.ru/200494-bmpt-terminator-dorogo-nenuzhno-i-staro.html

[Victor_B]

These are two authors who even refer to each other.
Both articles are very worthy.
And both authors.
So I encourage you to read my link.

[nnm]

Oh sure. Already reading))
As I understand it, if you exaggerate greatly, then both authors see the result in the form of a kind of "Shilka" based on a tank ... and preferably, with different calibers on a car

[Div Divich]

The purpose of the machine depends on whether it should perform the functions of Shilka or BMP or Tank. If the protection of tanks from air targets, then Shilka. If you help the infantry, then the BMP. If you crush fortified structures, then Tank.
In the current situation, the sky is a little covered, enemy aircraft do not constantly fly, so Shilka is almost not needed.

Tanks are needed and present, but for urban battles it is necessary to strengthen protection from above against the launch of anti-tank systems from the upper floors of houses.

BMPs have weak armor, this is where BMPTs should be used. But people need to be transported under armor to the front line, at least 5 people, and not just carry themselves. BMPT without passengers - this will turn out to be a replacement for a tank, but the caliber is too small to meet enemy tanks and fight enemy multi-row concrete structures.
I don’t believe in the use of BMPTs for limited tasks, war will not give a choice (today we are fighting, tomorrow we are not fighting), the vehicle must be universal - while at the front, always be ready to hit the enemy, BMP means to destroy infantry and lightly armored vehicles, against tanks not climb out, hide from a prominent place and launch anti-tank systems with infantry from cover.
At the moment, ATGMs have been mounted on BMPTs, which means they are designed to go head-on towards tanks, this is stupid, since enemy tanks don’t go alone, they go ahead with infantry and drones, which means BMPTs will be detected and try to hit before she sees the tanks in the distance. Therefore, it is not necessary to impose the functions of a tank on the BMPT, but to use several types of equipment at the same time.

[svp67]

Quote: nnm

https://topwar.ru/200494-bmpt-terminator-dorogo-nenuzhno-i-staro.html

I read and expressed my opinion there enough. I disagree with the author on the main points.

[Alexga]

The question is not for me, but I will intervene in your conversation. The article you refer to, in my opinion, most objectively describes this sample. But I will add. In general, one gets the impression that the BMPT was created as an analogue of a fire support helicopter only on the ground. Most likely for export. I saw how she shoots only once in 2017 at 227 OP, they showed the GDP. So, nothing special, just like the BMP-2. Only the BMP protects another 8 infantrymen who look around, and in the BMPT only the commander looks around, whose task is to look for targets and not look around. Remote control of weapons is currently nothing at all, the crew must be with weapons and have ways to manually control weapons. And even then, if you remember the problems when the scale illumination lamp burns out or breaks the muzzle of the projectile, and for 2A42 this is not such a rare occurrence. And that’s it, the car turns into a piece of iron on the battlefield. Of course, many will give examples from 2A38, but here we need to talk about the requirements for ammunition for this weapon. You can talk a lot about this, but personally I didn’t want to have something like that in my unit would. True, it no longer threatens me, I have come out of that age.

[d4rkmesa]

What version of Terminator is this about, please clarify?

[Okakakiev]

T90m is the strongest

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

In essence, the BMPT is a heavy BMP, with tank protection and a 30-mm cannon, and the absence of paper shells and OFS allows it to maintain stability when hit by ATGMs.

We need a heavy IFV with tank protection.

And preferably / necessarily with KAZ.

And as soon as possible.

[Zaurbek]

Plus, everyone is sitting in the base ... the tower is empty. There, the roof can be additionally made .... there are no hatches and it does not interfere with anyone.

[Voenoboz]

The thermal has a small silhouette [relatively], the fighters were in formation, experience and interactions were debugged, there is motivation, the enemy is the enemy [needs to be destroyed].

[Zaurbek]

Something frank silence regarding BMPT

[B-15]

Quote: Clever man

Javelin strikes the target from above! Please explain to me the specialists that they strengthened in an uninhabited tower?

Javelin Javelin strife.
I think, basically, the Americans are draining the old Javelins.

[Okakakiev]

Uninhabited fighting compartment and additional protection work wonders.
Roof rackets are pretty useless in this case.

[Private61]

Quote: tihonmarine

Today, the land has taken over M.S. Gorbachev's hands.
I don’t write bad, I don’t say good.

was, bitch, well, you understand everything.

[Dead duck]

Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й

Yes, it’s generally strange, if the technology is so cool, why haven’t mass production been established so far? Six months from the beginning of the operation has already passed

what is strange ?, this is a war, not a movie or a game.
Have you seen a lot of commercials from Westerners (especially Americans)? During the hostilities, they even let journalists by invitation everywhere and without unnecessary comments.
Another thing is that special they have special departments (people) engaged in commercials and propaganda and not bad.
And the proper information about performance characteristics and work in combat is only for the relevant people.

[shikin]

Explain to me, not an expert in this matter: why should an infantry fighting vehicle work in tandem with tanks with troops on board? Shouldn't the infantry be dispersed over the terrain during the battle? And then, judging by the comments, someone wants to launch an infantry fighting vehicle with an assault force into battle. I think it doesn't matter if it's light or heavy, but it's a bad idea.

[Alnair]

What is the dispute, I do not understand? I played arma, I know that tanks are absolutely blind against infantry with RPGs. The task of the BMPT is to turn its head like a dazed man and mow down exactly the grenade launchers with pipes. To do this, the machine needs just crazy visibility, thermal imagers and many, many machine guns on servos, which will aim at the thermal signature faster than the grenade launcher can react. Although thermal imagers are not a panacea, I understand. They are relatively easy to block. So far, we can only rely on a sharp eye and the reaction of the crew in the visible range, although the development of AI and pattern recognition may help in the future. Ideally, the BMPT will work in a network-centric combination with a drone, which would give target designation for BMPT machine guns from above, using the same combination of a conventional and thermal imaging camera. One way or another, everything ultimately depends on the equipment of the tower and on the set of onboard equipment. Can this whole economy be put on another chassis? Yes, there are examples. But will light armor and wheel propulsion be enough? Here is the real question. BMPT needs 120%, the only question is which trolley to mount it on. I didn’t serve, I’m writing from the couch, so let the real soldiers answer

[TOR2]

The experience of military operations shows that the Terminator BMPT, due to its increased protection, can withstand the hit of the Javelin ATGM

This machine needs a powerful optics detector. And this case once again emphasizes that it is very necessary.

[t200404]

what Father Varlaam was talking about with Grishka the impostor ". Only the article was that they were not needed at all

[GcleanD]

maybe the Tagil corps can withstand it, but the fighting compartment is where the machine guns and competitions are? anyone can throw a stone and come what may...