"Do not believe the gossip": The new commander of the Black Sea Fleet was not appointed

The new commander of the Black Sea fleet (Black Sea Fleet), contrary to the statements of a number of media outlets, was not appointed. His press service called such stuff "gossip."

About it сообщили in the RBC agency, referring to the information service of the Black Sea Fleet.

Do not believe the gossip, when it is appointed, then it will be officially announced

- said the naval press service.

In fact, the commander of the Black Sea Fleet, as before, is Admiral Igor Osipov, who has held this position since 2019. The official portal of the Russian defense department also states that he is the head of the Black Sea Fleet. Before taking command of the Black Sea Fleet, Osipov served as deputy chief of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces. And before that, he was the first deputy commander of the Pacific Fleet, moving to this position from the post of commander of the Caspian Flotilla. Admiral Osipov is a holder of the Order of Naval Merit.

Earlier today at the agency RIA Newsand they said, referring to sources, that he was allegedly removed from command of the Black Sea Fleet, and Vice Admiral Viktor Sokolov became the new commander of the fleet. Some media claimed that the decision to reshuffle was made by Russian President Vladimir Putin, and at the moment the vice admiral allegedly takes over from his “predecessor”.

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[Zyablicev43]

No comments yet...

[Cananecat]

Quote: Zyablicev43

No comments yet...

But a place with a claim to genius must be staked out ...

[mitroha]

The news is not that Osipov is a scoundrel or not. The news that you need to listen to confirmation of official sources, not the media. The current media have not gone far from the OBS, or even overtaken them. Everyone needs hype, not professional delivery of information to their audience. And with their "chasteness", they critically approached the night butterflies ......

[Flooding]

Some media say: "Don't believe the gossip that other media spreads."
Well, isn't that lovely.

[mitroha]

Quote: Flood

Some media say: "Don't believe the gossip spread by other media"

The circle of Chaos so to speak

[Piramidon]

Quote: Flood

Some media say: "Don't believe the gossip that other media spreads."
Well, isn't that lovely.

The press service of the Black Sea Fleet, it seems, does not belong to the media.

[Flooding]

Quote: Piramidon

The press service of the Black Sea Fleet, it seems, does not apply to the media

This was reported in the RBC agency, referring to the information service of the Black Sea Fleet

And in the news about the change of commander, the same media referred to their sources.

[Konnick]

The press service of the Black Sea Fleet, it seems, does not belong to the media.

It belongs to the Black Sea Fleet, but will they speak against the commander.

[Thrifty]

An attempt to make a pillar out of the commander of the Black Sea Fleet, from which every dog ​​can relieve himself, failed ....

[nnm]

Actually, in the army and, as I think, in the navy, the principle of unity of command implies not only the sole RIGHTS of the commander / chief, but also RESPONSIBILITY!

[AdAstra]

It is possible that this was once the case, but now, I know from my own experience, this is to shift all responsibility to the lower ones.

[Evgeny Ivanov_5]

Therefore, the fear of reporting bad news to the top flourishes. Answer the one who reported, even if the order was from a higher command.

[TreeSmall]

from the commander of the Black Sea Fleet, a pillar in which each dog

Well ... a real officer, at least, would shoot himself, after such feats (command)
Smirnov will not let you lie!
And it is more pleasant for them to be a pillar

[AAK]

Well, what are you, colleague, Admiral Osipov, probably a very religious person, for him suicide is a sin, so he apparently believes in his sinlessness ... maybe more correctly - in infallibility ...

[Ovsigovets]

no ... you need to kiss him in the ass for leadership ... a genius ... not even like that ... GENIUS and not a leader

[ramzay21]

We don't sell ours! Apparently we are still destined to see how this "genius" will destroy the entire Black Sea Fleet.
And if you believe the official media, it turns out that Osipov is completely innocent. RRC Moscow spontaneously ignited, the airfield in Saki blew itself up, the tugboat sank by itself, and only the BDK was destroyed. Great job, Vice Admiral!

[Ovsigovets]

my personal rejection and even your rejection of the KChF is understandable from where, but I will ask you if you want to criticize, then criticize the culprit personally ..... the phrase about your own and do not hand over, please do not use

[AdAstra]

And how then to call what happened to them recently near the headquarters?

[alexey sidykin]

It would be funny if it were not so sad.

[nnm]

I just imagined a world in which only official sources exist - Moscow, Bekh, Serpentine, (I don’t remember the name of the destroyer that had to be sunk at the pier), goodwill gestures after Kyiv, Gostomel, the crossing of the Seversky Donets, donated by Tara, the exchange of Azov Nazis , 300+ beloved billion dollars, the reappointment of Nabiulina, the flight of Chubais, and of course - constant attacks on decision-making centers, etc ...

[mitroha]

It is logical to learn official information from official sources, just as laws come into force after publication in Rossiyskaya Gazeta, figuratively speaking

[nnm]

So it is! But that's why the media should at least exist, so that the "not very convenient" official information reaches us. Well, for example - - I'm sure that in the RG after 2914, or in some collection of legislation, the government's decision was printed that the oligarchs were compensated for losses at the expense of the budget, or how, during covid, the FonBet bookmaker was classified as a system bookmaker and its work was allowed in pandemic conditions and state support. But how much did official sources talk about this?
Well, not all the same events are covered by official sources.

[mitroha]

Quote: nnm

But for that, the media should at least exist, so that even "not very convenient" official information reaches us

So who is against it, but let them submit verified information, and pay fines and jobs for unverified information, then, you see, they will start working normally. Otherwise, our people are hot, they will arrange "lynching", and then it turns out that there was a "duck"

[nnm]

Well, again ... how to say. Here are official sources, in support of the pension reform, they cited data that in the future there will be 2 payers of contributions for 1.7 pensioners. And tell me, have you ever seen reliable confirmation of these data?
Come on, this is a thing of the past, let's get back to our own - detonation was officially declared the reason for the loss of "Moscow". Have you heard somewhere - what was the reason for this? Well, or even the now forgotten words "everything is going according to plan" ...
So how can you then demand to drag the media to the auto-da-fé?

[mitroha]

Quote: nnm

Come on, this is a thing of the past, let's get back to our own - detonation was officially declared the reason for the loss of "Moscow". Have you heard somewhere - what was the reason for this?

So, my friend, who's stopping you? Conduct an independent investigation, collect evidence, make it public, prove your professionalism and refute official sources. The result, I think, will suit everyone. Both those and those, in the future, will work better and more professionally. What do you think? And then everyone is used to, God forgive me, "throw in", and there at least the grass does not grow
PS You don't think that I "drown" exclusively for official media, they sometimes sin exactly the same when it comes to non-official quoting. So there is someone to "kick" in this sense, an unplowed field

[nnm]

Colleague, are you kidding?))) Well, tell me honestly!!!
Well, a simple example ... about the same "Moscow" - kaaaak you yourself see the collection of evidence? Do you want Article 20.3.3 of the Code of Administrative Offenses? Or 280.3 of the Criminal Code? Not to mention state secrets, extremism, and so on ... what are you even talking about?

[mitroha]

Colleague, I'm not kidding. If truth and truth are important to you, then you will follow your convictions and get to the bottom of it, and bring it to people. This is if a person is a professional and is rooting for his business ...
But how, but there are not enough ways now? Internet, a bunch of publications in the world. In the USSR, even then, news spread, regardless of the desire of the authorities to stop them .... So, as always, those who want to do it are looking for a solution, and those who want to do nothing - an excuse.
.... About the articles ... But is it necessary to climb on the amrazu with your chest, or is it possible to bypass it?

[nnm]

You know what's the saddest thing?
The fact that you (us) have been deceived so many times:
- I will not cancel the elections of governors;
- I will not run for a third term;
- GDP growth by 10% per year;
- by 2020 each family will have a housing of 100m2
- no increase in the retirement age;
- many more...
that you are so accustomed to this that you consider "telling a lie" - their full right. And when someone says that guys, let's be honest with each other, let's stop lying and investigate what we are talking about - you, like that Stockholm victim of terrorists, perceive everything with hostility. This is the most terrible thing.
As you say there ... I didn’t try to get to the bottom of the truth .... yes, I worked for the state in this field for 20+ years (I also have a report to the head of the VSK, the Investigative Committee, the General Prosecutor’s Office of the Russian Federation on Rogozin’s “work” for billions of rubles, and "art" in the housing and communal services system for tens of billions and much more), and therefore did not receive big stars for shoulder straps, and in the end they "asked", therefore I do not need to tell how everything works.

[mitroha]

Quote: nnm

- I will not cancel the elections of governors;
- I will not run for a third term;
- no increase in the retirement age;
that you are so accustomed to this that you consider "telling a lie" - their full right.

Ugh you. Why is this here? I'm talking about honest media, and you're talking about propaganda ... all the best

[nnm]

Hmm ... everything that I have listed to you is the promises of GDP and 1 - the "development strategy" of the EP ... and you immediately - propaganda !!! Are you sure you are not from the "fifth column"?

[mitroha]

Quote: nnm

Hmm ... everything that I have listed to you is the promises of GDP and 1 - the "development strategy" of the EP ... and you immediately - propaganda !!! Are you sure you are not from the "fifth column"?

Is propaganda the prerogative of one side? Chesslovo, it's not worth it.

[nnm]

Yes, the question is precisely that this side has the prerogative of all power. You can put pressure on Bondarenko, Grudinin, Rashkin, etc. for as long as you like, but they are not in power and have not given a damn about their election promises. And they spit - exactly the same thing I will say about them.

[Alex777]

Quote: nnm

You can crush Bondarenko, Grudinin, Rashkin for as long as you like

Those. do you feel sorry for the moose?
And these shots, well chosen by you,
did not crush themselves?
No one presses Zyuganov and all other communists. Reward, promote.
Even such a character as Navalny and
he flew everywhere here, being under 2
conditional terms.
About pressure - you are completely in vain.

[alexey sidykin]

Quote: nnm

So it is! But for that, the media should at least exist, so that even "not very convenient" official information reaches us

Yeah ... it's especially hard for those who need only "inconvenient" information. I sympathize with neither Medusa nor Echo with Rain ... the most crystal-clearly honest media have disappeared ...

[nnm]

And who else besides "Medusa" (by the way, it was she who published a video about torture in the Yaroslavl colony and can you name the "echo" ??? Well, at least 50 of all ...?
I sincerely hate Navalny, Echo, Medusa, etc., and you can see this from those articles that I published on VO. But I always believed that every "unpleasant" news should be checked and a procedural decision made. You can hysteria for a long time, but people are now sitting in the same N-th colony and you CANNOT rape them with clubs, you can’t take away government contracts .... but tell me, what media will tell you about this now? How at one time the court acquitted Ivanov's son, who knocked down an old woman at the crossing, name at least one media outlet that will remind you of the promises of the authorities before the last elections? Well, at least one?

[alexey sidykin]

I know well what you are writing ... your comments have one topic. All the guards we disappeared everywhere darkness and horror. That's why I say sadness you have without jellyfish echo and rain. Who else will supply you with this darkness. I can advise AiF there is one named Kostikov. Also gloomy sad... And about the promises of GDP... you know, a person proposes and God disposes, or if he knew where to fall, he would lay a straw and that's enough about Pen. Ref. for example, I’m surprised that it wasn’t carried out earlier, because the fact that Russia is aging is a fact and you can’t get away from it.

[nnm]

How conveniently you bypassed all the other promises with a comment)))
Colleague, my difference from you is that I accept different points of view and do not start stigmatizing you for the fact that your preferences differ from mine. It is only your choice and your right. If you think so, then so be it. You just should not assume that you are infallible and only your point of view has the right to exist and be voiced.

[alexey sidykin]

I did not bypass anything ... no one assumed about the crisis of 08. As well as the fact that the Ukrainians will get tired of a quiet life. This is, firstly, and secondly, we have enough for normal criticism of problems, but we don’t need to hang everything on the government. Officials are not sent to us from above, they are the same people of Russia as we are with exactly the same cockroaches. And to consider that there is a bureaucratic substance and the rest are all just so white, fluffy and indifferent ... this is not criticism, this is something else. It is necessary to distinguish between constructive criticism and simply dissatisfied grumbling of a person who is dissatisfied with everything and always.

[Dedok]

Quote: nnm

As at one time the court acquitted the son of Ivanov, who knocked down an old woman at the crossing,

everyone is dead

[Dedok]

Quote: nnm

or how, during covid, the bookmaker's office "FonBet" was classified as a system one and its work was allowed in a pandemic and state support

Yeah
and there are countless such "offices" throughout the country, they are quietly "working"

[Waterways 672]

I don't remember the name of the destroyer...
You mean BDK "Saratov" it seems.

[nnm]

Yes, I'm sorry. "Orsk" and "Saratov".
I understand that it is extremely ugly to write “I don’t remember the name” in such a situation, but this is only because you can’t find this information right away in official sources .... here’s the meaning of the media ..

[TreeSmall]

Current media from OBS

Well, to the "current" went long and hard. Here they come.

[user]

Everyone needs hype, not professional delivery of information to their audience. And with their "chasteness", they critically approached the night butterflies ......

Yes, no, everyone is interested in the question of what else should happen in the Black Sea Fleet so that finally everyone, including the President of the Russian Federation, understands that the time has come to rotate the personnel of the Black Sea Fleet's management bodies, and not just the commander.

[kig]

Quote: Mitroha

need to hear the confirmation

These are articles without a signature - this, as I understand it, is a product of the editorial board of VO. Perhaps some circumstances make her (them) hurry with statements. It is a pity that if the information is not confirmed and the commander is nevertheless replaced, then the news will not be refuted. Not a prince. Well, who's stopping us from waiting a couple of days and returning to the discussion?

[dedusik]

Damn, well, you can’t trust the information service of the Black Sea Fleet

Vice Admiral Viktor Sokolov, who previously held the post of head of the Admiral Kuznetsov Naval Academy, has been appointed acting commander of the Black Sea Fleet. Sokolov himself announced this today, August 19.

“I ... have been appointed acting commander of the Black Sea Fleet,” Sokolov said during a gathering with young fleet officers.
The Vice Admiral specified that he had been appointed to act by order of Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu dated August 10.


Read more: https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2022/08/19/prikazom-shoygu-vrio-komanduyushchego-chernomorskim-flotom-naznachen-viktor-sokolov

[Russian Patriot]

It's time to judge for all this shame of the Black Sea Fleet.
There is an excellent article that perfectly describes the situation with the Black Sea Fleet.
https://topwar.ru/175470-skshu-kavkaz-2020-ili-chernomorskij-razgrom-rossijskogo-flota.html

[House 25 Sq. 380]

It's time to judge for all this shame of the Black Sea Fleet.
There is an excellent article that perfectly describes the situation with the Black Sea Fleet.
https://topwar.ru/175470-skshu-kavkaz-2020-ili-chernomorskij-razgrom-rossijskogo-flota.html

By the way, I read it, and you?

It states, in particular, that there is not a single carrier of "packages" in the Black Sea Fleet ...
And Osipov - how did he participate in this situation?

[dmi.pris1]

Osipov in this situation is a scapegoat. Our fleet has been going to this shame for thirty years. And not only the Black Sea Fleet. Bring a serious meat grinder, cash ships and other fleets will show Tsushima

[House 25 Sq. 380]

I’m actually talking about the same thing: the main claims in the article to the Black Sea Fleet are the ships are not the same, there are few ships, the ships are old ....
And what can be attributed in this part name-admiral since 2019?

[Ovsigovets]

if you can’t cope and feel that you can’t pull it out - a report on the table. BUT he undertook to lead - which means he will be responsible for leadership.

[faiver]

only him? maybe it's just that the punctures of others are not so obvious?

[x.andvlad]

Well, if not to judge, then at least it was necessary to remove it immediately after the loss of the cruiser Moskva. Whatever one may say, this Osipov entered the history of the KChF as a commander under whose leadership the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet was lost, in the absence of an enemy fleet.

[House 25 Sq. 380]

Whatever one may say, this Osipov entered the history of the KChF as a commander under whose leadership the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet was lost, in the absence of an enemy fleet.

The "Paris Commune" (aka "Sevastopol"), as if it was also not from the enemy fleet, was pinching along the bays ...

[Chronos]

The flagship of the fleet out of battle was lost even by such a great, without exaggeration, admiral as Kolchak. The Soviet Black Sea Fleet lost "Novorossiysk" in peacetime out of the blue. The enemy’s lack of a fleet is an argument - but there is anti-ship missiles. I’ll make a reservation right away - I don’t remove responsibility from Osipov, there were problems with the combat readiness of the fleet and Osipov deserved to be fired.

[alexey sidykin]

Quote: Chronos

The flagship of the fleet out of battle was lost even by such a great, without exaggeration, admiral as Kolchak. The Soviet Black Sea Fleet lost "Novorossiysk" in peacetime out of the blue. The enemy’s lack of a fleet is an argument - but there is anti-ship missiles. I’ll make a reservation right away - I don’t remove responsibility from Osipov, there were problems with the combat readiness of the fleet and Osipov deserved to be fired.

And what is the greatness of Kolchak as an admiral?

[Chronos]

Active participation in the revival of the fleet after Tsushima, successful operations in the Baltic and Black Sea. In short, Kolchak always achieved the maximum possible result and, as a naval commander, was not defeated.

[alexey sidykin]

What are the successful actions of Kolchak? And how did he take part in the revival of the fleet? I'm not saying that he did not command any fleets to win. The only major naval battle in WWI was between the German and English fleets.

[Chronos]

Before WWI, Kolchak served in the Naval General Staff, and many of his proposals formed the basis of both the reform of the headquarters itself and the shipbuilding program, etc. And during the years of WWI, Kolchak showed that the fleet can be successful without major battles.

[alexey sidykin]

Hm ... on the second, you wrote a naval commander, but you still couldn’t answer which fleets Kolchak led. About serving in the General Staff, where did you get the information that his proposals, it was him, were taken for reform? The fact that minefields, like destroyer raids, is an effective force was clear long before Kolchak. Otherwise, we would not have developed the mine business.

[Chronos]

Quote: Alexey Sedykin

Hm ... on the second, you wrote a naval commander, but you still couldn’t answer which fleets Kolchak led. About serving in the General Staff, where did you get the information that his proposals, it was him, were taken for reform? The fact that minefields, like destroyer raids, is an effective force was clear long before Kolchak. Otherwise, we would not have developed the mine business.

There are memos from Kolchak to the naval minister. Kolchak even managed to achieve semi-official status for himself and his comrades, with whom they met and discussed the development of the fleet. Then the proposals went to the maritime minister. Kolchak commanded a mine division and a whole fleet. Who is he, if not a naval commander?

[alexey sidykin]

The mine division does not pull on a flotilla. And the commander of the fleet and the flotilla are completely different things ... He can and did propose, the question is how effective such proposals were and, most importantly, Kolchak's share in these group proposals.

[dmi.pris1]

He went on a polar expedition, but by the standards of that time he conscientiously served the Empire. Like many thousands of officers. Yes, and about the revival of the fleet, he simply took part.

[mitroha]

Quote: x.andvlad

Whatever one may say, this Osipov entered the history of the KChF as a commander under whose leadership the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet was lost, in the absence of an enemy fleet.

Are you still fighting on frigates with sails in a cannon battle? My condolences...
And we have a flagship of retirement age here. And NATO is against us in a puddle. But of course one person is to blame...
Not a sailor, I have nothing to do with the Black Sea Fleet, but what kind of objectivity should there be?

[alexey sidykin]

Quote: Mitroha

but there must be some kind of objectivity

What objectivity are you talking about? The main thing is to cry.

[Dingo]

Ilya, I have long said that the most "unsinkable" on the "Chi Fleet - chi no" is its commander ... They corrected me - they already "drowned" ... Someone asked the question - "Where did they put the old Delhi?" - expressed his assumption - "Perhaps a midshipman in the Arctic?" ... But no ...

[Rage66]

The new commander of the Black Sea Fleet was not appointed

It's a pity

[spirit]

If I were in the place of the Moscow Region, the future aircraft carrier would call him by his name! Well, he really won’t be FLOODED

[Cananecat]

By the way, the TG channels of some respected experts in the field of analytics also sin with this news ...
I will not speak on the topic of worthy or not, because not Copenhagen. But if this is a stuffing, then stuffing is competent. Somewhere they overslept something ... otherwise, as usual.

[Kesha1980]

Today I heard such a paradoxical question: "Do you trust the information that Uncle Vova has laid hands on Kuzhugetovich?" To put it mildly - I was surprised infe. In the case of the commander of the Black Sea Fleet, he would not be surprised, because he is "worthy."

[timokhin-aa]

Shoigu is much more worthy.

[Gvardeetz77]

There is smoke, but no fire, it's strange ...

[faiver]

fixer with hydroperite....

[Cowbra]

It's easier to get dry ice

[Palestinian]

logically, they should remove it, unless of course they turned on the button, don’t take dirty linen out of the hut, for MOSCOW and one asterisk from the shoulder strap it would not hurt to pick it up

[Cat Alexandrovich]

One star from the shoulder strap - it's ridiculous. You need one from each shoulder strap.

[1Alexey]

Quote: Palestinian

for MOSCOW and one asterisk from the shoulder strap would not hurt to knock off

Yes, it's not just Moscow alone. Several of our ships of the Black Sea Fleet were sunk at the entrance of the Northern Military District, for example, one of the most modern tugboats, which was heading to Zmeiny Island.
In addition, a blow to the headquarters of the IMF (where are the guards?), Explosions at the airfield of the Black Sea Fleet in Novofedorovka.

For all this, do not remove an asterisk, but you need to give it to the tribunal!

[Alf]

Quote: 1Alexey

Quote: Palestinian

for MOSCOW and one asterisk from the shoulder strap would not hurt to knock off

Yes, it's not just Moscow alone. Several of our ships of the Black Sea Fleet were sunk at the entrance of the Northern Military District, for example, one of the most modern tugboats, which was heading to Zmeiny Island.
In addition, a blow to the headquarters of the IMF (where are the guards?), Explosions at the airfield of the Black Sea Fleet in Novofedorovka.

For all this, do not remove an asterisk, but you need to give it to the tribunal!

Now regular launderers will unanimously declare to you, And where can I get another?

Admiral Osipov is a holder of the Order of Naval Merit.

He needs to be rewarded. Medal with profile KR Moscow. And she will wear...

[RoTTor]

Viktor Nikolaevich Sokolov (born April 4, 1963) is a Russian military commander. Commander of the Black Sea Fleet since August 17, 2022[1], Vice Admiral (13.12.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX).
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Соколов,_Виктор_Николаевич_(адмирал)

[Blacksmith 55]

RoTTor, you are absolutely right.
Since August 17 Sokolov Commander of the Black Sea Fleet.
Even Wikipedia says so.
The article is a bit late.
Yesterday it was still possible to bet on VO, today it's a bit late.

[tralflot1832]

Believe RBC? For this there is a press service of the Black Sea Fleet.

[antivirus]

There is-no-supposedly-possible.
A Mediterranean-African fleet is being created..
The bases will also be divided.
Where will Osipov and where will the falcons be assigned? - it will be clear after determining the traffic flows - protection of tankers and dry cargo.
Ukhriya and not the fleet have already been written off in the global game.
Malta and Sicily + the Red and Arabian Sea - the goal of one and Odessa with the Vistula and the Danube - for the other fleet.
Horror! Where is the world heading?!
Novak to get leverage for Opec+ talks

[TatarinSSSR]

Is it possible that the valiant, but almost completely ruined Black Sea Fleet cannot get rid of this ... It's a pity, you can't speak out - whom.

[alexey alexeyev_2]

It would be better if he was awarded the order "for sexual merit"

[Cat Alexandrovich]

And how many of them should be the norm?

[alexey alexeyev_2]

But to know. The personnel department of the Black Sea Fleet protects this data. Last year I visited Sevastopol. I was struck by the abundance of these same ladies with epaulets of midshipmen and lieutenants. I didn’t particularly notice any starleys or kapleevs or kap3s and other officials of the Black Sea Fleet against their background.

[Dedok]

Quote: Aleksey Alekseev_2

The number of young midshipmen and lieutenants at the headquarters of the Black Sea Fleet is off scale

and at Kuzhegotovich, how many generals did not serve a day?
even among Ukrainians - Malyar - without a title ...

[MrFYGY]

I thought he shot himself a long time ago.

[Alf]

Quote: MrFYGY

I thought he shot himself a long time ago.

Why would it suddenly? If all our officials, who were running their affairs, would shoot themselves, the authorities would be depopulated.

[Aag]

Quote: Alf

Quote: MrFYGY

I thought he shot himself a long time ago.

Why would it suddenly? If all our officials, who were running their affairs, would shoot themselves, the authorities would be depopulated.

"... the authorities would be depopulated ..."
Duc, already ... people are opportunists with a heightened sense of personal well-being ...

[Dedok]

Quote: MrFYGY

I thought he shot himself a long time ago.

Have you watched The Last Samurai?
in the final there is a scene when his commander-in-chief, an "official", refuses "hara-kiri", because he is not a samurai

[Carlos Hall]

The Black Sea Fleet showed mediocre performance, lost its flagship and did not project enough power for assault operations, being vulnerable to enemy missile attacks. Osipov cannot be held responsible for all the troubles of the Fleet. But he certainly must have some degree of responsibility. Let's make honest criticism so that the naval army will be stronger.

[Awaz]

they won’t give up theirs ... looking at the genius of management, maybe there’s just no one to change at all ..

[Chronos]

News about nothing. The press service of the Black Sea Fleet did not deny the very fact of the change of commander. This is from the series "we do not comment on rumors, wait for official information." A day later - once and an official.

[Konnick]

There is no smoke without fire ...

[Snail N9]

I don't care. They changed or they didn’t change ... There is still no one to change for ... Smart and enterprising, with talents for the military profession, they have long been cleared out as "uncomfortable", "troublemakers" and "interfering" ... that's what's left. ... and it looks like everywhere, not only at the Black Sea Fleet ...

[House 25 Sq. 380]

and it seems everywhere, not only at the Black Sea Fleet ...

Even in the US Pacific Fleet...

[Chronos]

Quote: Konnick

There is no smoke without fire ...

Most likely, there is a transfer of cases, as they will be transferred - the press service of the fleet will announce. Or maybe they want to confuse dill.

[Anyuta Glorious]

If only Osipov had been replaced. This is an endless disgrace with the Black Sea Fleet for bibikalo.

[Arkady007]

Some kind of circus, chesslovo.
like https://lenta.ru/news/2022/08/17/neww/?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop
https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5514748?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop
this is a complete leftist.
Maybe someone read "Pravda"?

[Anyuta Glorious]

Oh, I was happy for nothing

[Sergei V]

So no one has refuted, be able to read between the lines

[Al manah]

No one will remove him, they will give him another title and order. This is our tradition...

[Sergei V]

And where did they refute that? Like, wait for officialdom?

[acetophenone]

Quote: Mitroha

The current media have not gone far from the OBS, or even overtaken them.

And Mr. news agencies are rapidly catching up with them.
The well-known verse "everything is fine, beautiful marquise" just does not come out of the toilet.

[alexey sidykin]

For all those who are tearing and throwing about ... maybe they should remember the death of Novorossiysk in 55, when a whole battleship went to the bottom without any war, taking 617 of our sailors with it ... and the commander of the Black Sea Fleet, Vice Admiral Parkhomenko, became Rear Admiral and transferred for the position of 1st deputy com.TF ...
since 1960, again Vice Admiral and head of the Higher Special Classes of the officers of the Navy ... But after all, under the USSR, this could not have happened or could it?

[Chronos]

Yes, and there are questions to Oktyabrsky about the actions of the Black Sea Fleet during the war years, and there is a street named after him in Sevastopol.

[alexey sidykin]

Oktyabrsky is one of the commanders of the defense of Odessa, and the evacuation of troops from there was simply brilliantly carried out.

[Chronos]

And in Sevastopol, Oktyabrsky did not turn out so brilliantly, there are big questions about the landings and, in general, about the actions of the fleet.

[alexey sidykin]

And who in history, in the Crimea, everything was successful? I don't remember those.

[AdAstra]

Leave the USSR alone already, it has been gone for 30 years. We are now talking (writing) about the here and now. And if something was wrong in the USSR, then this is by no means an excuse for what is happening in the Russian Federation now, especially considering that we are shouting from every refrigerator that it is now better than in the USSR.

[alexey sidykin]

Oh how... why leave alone? Oh yes, it's sacred. There, by definition, the people are cleaner, the air is lighter, and all civil servants are of crystal honesty.

[Chronos]

Because what is happening now was happening in the USSR, and even in tsarist times. Therefore, there are doubts that everything will change dramatically in the future.

[AdAstra]

But some have claims only to the USSR that they can’t even eat.

[iouris]

"He's to blame... But he's not to blame!" ("Beware of the car!"// Movie)

[Vyacheslav Ivasenko]

Commander of the Black Sea Fleet for the loss of the flagship at least retired. Go and earn a long service.

[iouris]

Remember one MO USSR? I quote his monologue-address (from memory): "Mikhal Sergeyich, dear, forgive me, old fool. Let me serve two more months - close the year before the service..." (!!!)

[seacap]

And that’s true, but for what, he doesn’t steal, he doesn’t build dachas, he doesn’t have accounts, real estate and relatives abroad (probably), he already deserves a state award, but we have the utter irresponsibility of the highest “boyars”, they are beyond jurisdiction by rank. Just think, the flagship drowned, it was so old, this is such a disposal, again almost free of charge, but new sailors will be sent, again, the crew was freed. Just think, the deputy-marine was killed, again career growth, 2 warehouses thumped, the holiday season, after all, what kind of PDB is there in the front-line district, what are you talking about, there was no team.

[alexey sidykin]

Quote: seacap

And that’s true, but for what, he doesn’t steal, he doesn’t build dachas, he doesn’t have accounts, real estate and relatives abroad (probably), he already deserves a state award, but we have the utter irresponsibility of the highest “boyars”, they are beyond jurisdiction by rank. Just think, the flagship drowned, it was so old, this is such a disposal, again almost free of charge, but new sailors will be sent, again, the crew was freed. Just think, the deputy-marine was killed, again career growth, 2 warehouses thumped, the holiday season, after all, what kind of PDB is there in the front-line district, what are you talking about, there was no team.

You can ask about the fate of the commander of the Black Sea Fleet, which killed the battleship Novorossiysk ...

[seacap]

Quote: Alexey Sedykin

Quote: seacap

And that’s true, but for what, he doesn’t steal, he doesn’t build dachas, he doesn’t have accounts, real estate and relatives abroad (probably), he already deserves a state award, but we have the utter irresponsibility of the highest “boyars”, they are beyond jurisdiction by rank. Just think, the flagship drowned, it was so old, this is such a disposal, again almost free of charge, but new sailors will be sent, again, the crew was freed. Just think, the deputy-marine was killed, again career growth, 2 warehouses thumped, the holiday season, after all, what kind of PDB is there in the front-line district, what are you talking about, there was no team.

You can ask about the fate of the commander of the Black Sea Fleet, which killed the battleship Novorossiysk ...

I'm more interested in Nakhimov, Makarov (who himself died on the flagship) Kuznetsov, etc.

[alexey sidykin]

Well then, there is nothing to raise a discussion ... after all, Osipov should not be of interest to you.

[seacap]

But he doesn’t interest me, unlike you, I discussed the article and not the comments, because. I perfectly understand the difference between a social network, a forum and comment sections for an article.

[alexey sidykin]

Discussion for the sake of discussion? An interesting approach.

[Mitia68]

the RIA Novosti agency said, citing sources, that he was allegedly removed from command of the Black Sea Fleet

State RIA Novosti is spreading fakes?
Where the world is heading ...

[BastaKarapuzik And]

Quote: nnm

I understand that it’s extremely ugly to write “I don’t remember the name” in such a situation, but this is only because you can’t find this information right away in official sources .... here’s the meaning of the media

here you see. maybe the rest data the same kind?
The point is not in the name of the ship, but in the fact that you write the destroyer, while there was a BDK ...
Moscow, Beh, this is certainly a tragedy.
But there are no problems with the Snake. Or someone insists that he had to be kept in a changed environment? Yes, this is absurd. Art systems have appeared that can finish him off.
It was necessary to change tactics and respond to this. The solution is logical and understandable. The island, as far as you can understand, is worth a draw. There are no problems here. Why put it forward, as an example of what a "terrible" blunder? Although it's not even close.
Kyiv, Gostomel are elements of a special operation. It is called so for a reason, because it has a secret part of the goals. They went in and out, this is a matter of the highest rate, they diverted attention, tied up the enemy forces or something else.
Exchange again - no problem. Do you insist that our military of the Russian Federation and the LDNR do not need to be changed?
This is absurd, for example, the people of Azov believe that they are being exchanged. And ours should rot in captivity? Tarane Tara, that's up to those who made the decisions, they interrogated them all.
Is Nabibulina fulfilling her duties? Or will something change if someone else takes this place?
What's important now? To keep the stability of the ruble, de facto this goal is achieved with any head of the bank, who will not stick spokes in the wheels of the government.
And finally, about the "fluffy" 300 billion. This information is not true and not everything is so simple there. They immediately stated that at least half of the amount could be withdrawn. This was discussed in the first days of the operation. And Russia paid its debts out of this money (at first). Further developments led to settlements in national currencies between countries, and, attention, to a steady growth of the ruble. Which they are now trying to restrain (in my opinion in vain)
The big question is, could the financial system be sustained without it?
Will the Chinese be able to withdraw their money invested in American bonds?

[certero]

Probably, as it is written on one resource, the commander of the Black Sea Fleet was able to brilliantly complete the assigned tasks, not allowing the enemy to drown the main part of the ships, skillfully removing them from the attack next to Zmeiny Island.
Most likely worthy of a state award.

[timokhin-aa]

So yesterday the new commander was presented at the military council of the district, if anything.

[huntsman650]

I confirm, the article is bullshit. Comrade Sokolov rules the Black Sea Fleet!

[Losyara]

What are you! We believe! Like in red lines and punches on decision centers

[tolmachiev51]

...... - "RIA Novosti told, referring to sources" - actually for such nonsense. license must be withdrawn.

[wladomir]

We have "talented managers" almost everywhere and everything is run. I do not think that in the army it is different, even considering the specifics of the army. From this follows everything that we have today.

[Andrey1966]

A week as in command.

[nordscout]

It is difficult to judge the "acts" of the Commander of the Black Sea Fleet without a specific "public" "debriefing". True, in the "stagnant" fertile "Brezhnev" times - long ago, already, he would have been digging in the garden in the Moscow region, and under Joseph Vissarionovich - I'm afraid to even think ... And now we have very democratic times, "cannot be enforced by law": he stole a loaf in a store - 1,5 years of "general regime", and "pooped" $ 300 billion of state / money - honor and respect while maintaining the place, salary, privileges ... Times, now, are difficult, military, but from the mess and " indifference" for 6 months of the war in the Black Sea Fleet (specifically) one could already get rid of ... Apparently the title of "Royal Navy", a fertile climate, the sun, a warm sea, beaches, charming tanned women, white pants and no pants (in " Bermuda") - all this, apparently, relaxes, sets in a major way, and it seems that the war is somewhere far away and "not really" and that it will end ... The question of transferring the Black Sea Fleet to the "schedule" has long been "overdue" "War time. An attempt by the fleet to participate in the NVO in a state of "relaxation" and "indifference" at all levels has already ended with "Moscow", "Saratov", "Orsk" explosions of a second reserve in the Dzhankoy region, at an airfield in Saki ... For all the democratic and a certain "tolerance" of our wise leadership, for such command and staff "fun" at the Black Sea Fleet, someone must answer to the fullest extent of wartime. I just want to call the spirit of Lavrenty Pavlovich out of "non-existence" to provide them with comprehensive assistance, to restore order, by the leadership of the Crimea and the Headquarters of the Black Sea Fleet .....

[TatarinSSSR]

Today, the Acting com. Black Sea Fleet Sokolov. Author, should we not believe the "rumors" or will you become less stubborn?))

[Konnick]

"Do not believe the gossip": The new commander of the Black Sea Fleet was not appointed

Well? Waste the article?
"Gossip" was confirmed.

[Repellent]

Quote: Konnick

Well? Waste the article?

Is this an article? some kind of anonymous