Croatia supplied Ukraine with a batch of Soviet 130-mm guns M-46 model 1953

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Croatia supplied Ukraine with a batch of Soviet 130-mm guns M-46 model 1953

The shortage of artillery is forcing Ukraine to put into service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine guns that have already been withdrawn from service with the armies of other countries. The artillery units of the Ukrainian army, along with modern Western-made models, also have guns created in the Soviet Union immediately after the Great Patriotic War.

Croatia recently handed over to Ukraine a batch of M-46 towed field guns of 130 mm caliber, model 1953, of Soviet production. These guns went to the Croats from the former Yugoslavia, they have already been removed from service with the Croatian army and have been sent for storage. However, persistent requests from Kyiv forced Zagreb to reopen and send a batch of these guns to Ukraine. According to the Croatian press, the Armed Forces of Ukraine received fifteen M-46 guns. There is no information on ammunition.



The details of the delivery of the guns are not reported, so it is not possible to tell when the guns were delivered. The terms of delivery are also unknown, whether Kyiv bought these guns, or whether Zagreb donated them.

The M-46 gun was created to replace the 122-mm A-1931 gun of the 37/19 model and was intended to combat heavy tanks and self-propelled artillery, destruction of defensive structures, etc. A prototype was made in 1950, at the same time the main tests of the gun were carried out. Adopted in 1953. The release of small series was started in 1951 and continued until about 1971. During this time, several thousand M-46s were produced. The gun was also in service with the armies of the Warsaw Pact countries. Currently, it is still in service with a number of countries in Asia, the Middle East and Africa.

The gun is capable of firing up to six rounds per minute at a range of 27,5 km. Calculation - 8 people.
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  1. +20
    17 August 2022 13: 30
    In this conflict, every battalion of heavy artillery matters.
    1. +5
      17 August 2022 14: 03
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      In this conflict, every battalion of heavy artillery matters.

      This gun is good, but where will they get normal ammunition for it?
      1. -1
        17 August 2022 14: 39
        Quote: svp67
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        In this conflict, every battalion of heavy artillery matters.

        This gun is good, but where will they get normal ammunition for it?

        It is worth seeing what is in the warehouses of Eastern Europe.
        1. +1
          17 August 2022 14: 57
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          It is worth seeing what is in the warehouses of Eastern Europe.

          At one time, the Czechs had these guns, but they handed them over to the Arabs in the late 70s ... so you need to look there
          1. -1
            17 August 2022 15: 03
            Quote: svp67
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            It is worth seeing what is in the warehouses of Eastern Europe.

            At one time, the Czechs had these guns, but they handed them over to the Arabs in the late 70s ... so you need to look there

            In Romania it seems they should be.

            Another gun of the same family, the 130 mm Tun calibrul 130 mm tractat M1982 cannon (a licensed copy of the Chinese type 59-1 gun, which in turn is a copy of the Soviet M-46 gun) has already been withdrawn from service.
            1. 0
              17 August 2022 15: 11
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              In Romania it seems they should be.

              So Israel released them. Will the question be asked?
              1. -3
                17 August 2022 15: 17
                Quote: svp67
                Quote: Aron Zaavi
                In Romania it seems they should be.

                So Israel released them. Will the question be asked?

                Israel will not supply anything to Ukraine until Russian weapons go to Iran. And Romania is already supplying 152mm shells.
                1. +4
                  17 August 2022 15: 26
                  Quote: Aron Zaavi
                  Israel will not supply anything to Ukraine

                  I don’t know how it is. To Ukraine, but Israel has already supplied its weapons to Ukraine
                  1. 0
                    17 August 2022 16: 02
                    Quote: svp67
                    Quote: Aron Zaavi
                    Israel will not supply anything to Ukraine

                    I don’t know how it is. To Ukraine, but Israel has already supplied its weapons to Ukraine

                    No.
                    1. +3
                      17 August 2022 16: 29
                      That is, Galatz sniper rifles, TAR-21 automatic rifles and Negev machine guns were blown by the wind ... well, well ..
                      1. 0
                        17 August 2022 17: 28
                        Quote: svp67
                        That is, Galatz sniper rifles, TAR-21 automatic rifles and Negev machine guns were blown by the wind ... well, well ..

                        The license was purchased by the Fort company back in Yanukovych's time. Check.
                      2. 0
                        17 August 2022 18: 56
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        The license was purchased by the Fort company back in Yanukovych's time. Check.

                        Yes, but this does not negate the fact itself, especially since the license is purely "screwdriver", components come from you, and in Ukraine finished products are assembled from them
                      3. +1
                        17 August 2022 19: 06
                        Quote: svp67
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        The license was purchased by the Fort company back in Yanukovych's time. Check.

                        Yes, but this does not negate the fact itself, especially since the license is purely "screwdriver", components come from you, and in Ukraine finished products are assembled from them

                        Full cycle license. But Ukraine is still kicking Israel for outposts. "Your UAVs bring death to the Ukrainian people."
                      4. 0
                        18 August 2022 05: 16
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        "Your UAVs bring death to the Ukrainian people."

                        Like your "strelkovka", it has carried and bears death to the Ukrainian people
                      5. -1
                        18 August 2022 05: 30
                        Quote: svp67
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        "Your UAVs bring death to the Ukrainian people."

                        Like your "strelkovka", it has carried and bears death to the Ukrainian people

                        Some do not even recognize even the existence of this people.
                      6. +1
                        18 August 2022 12: 32
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        Some do not even recognize even the existence of this people.

                        Hk some do not recognize the right of existence of Israel and sho?
                      7. +1
                        18 August 2022 12: 38
                        Quote: svp67
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        Some do not even recognize even the existence of this people.

                        Hk some do not recognize the right of existence of Israel and sho?

                        Unpleasant. You have to prove them wrong on a regular basis.
                      8. +3
                        18 August 2022 12: 52
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        Unpleasant. You have to prove them wrong on a regular basis.

                        Well then, you must understand why we also have to prove the right of Russian people to prove that they are Russian ... It's both insulting and unpleasant that the "brothers" have to do this
                        Note that Ukrainians are not prohibited from doing this.
                      9. 0
                        18 August 2022 12: 57
                        Quote: svp67
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        Unpleasant. You have to prove them wrong on a regular basis.

                        Well then, you must understand why we also have to prove the right of Russian people to prove that they are Russian ... It's both insulting and unpleasant that the "brothers" have to do this
                        Note that Ukrainians are not prohibited from doing this.

                        So you don't have Ukrainians. They are completely assimilated.
                      10. +2
                        18 August 2022 13: 04
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        So you don't have Ukrainians. They are completely assimilated.

                        Who told you this? A lot of people consider themselves Ukrainians and be proud of it, there are schools where they study Ukrainian, there are regions where the Ukrainian language is recognized as a regional language, moreover, we have more than a million people who speak it, it is the 7th most common in Russia.
                      11. 0
                        18 August 2022 13: 24
                        I'm from volgograd. We had a lot of Ukrainians, but no one knew Ukrainian.
                      12. 0
                        18 August 2022 19: 23
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        I'm from volgograd.

                        And I'm from Dnepropetrovsk
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        We had a lot of Ukrainians, but no one knew Ukrainian.

                        The same garbage, but in the villages ...
                        And by the way, in the Bryansk region, in the Primorsky Territory, in the villages I heard the "nightingale", of course, far from being pure, but nonetheless.
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                      14. 0
                        20 August 2022 08: 03
                        there is also a black market.
                    2. +1
                      18 August 2022 07: 51
                      What's "no"?
                      There was no question requiring a "yes" or "no" answer.
                      And as for the pretexts, then, of course, "TO Ukraine." This spelling has been used for many, many years. Back in 1845, T.G. Shevchenko wrote in the poem "Testament":
                      How to die bury
                      On the Ukraine, sweet,
                      In the middle of the wide steppe
                      Dig a grave...

                      In the original source in Ukrainian, the poedl "on" is also used.
                      The preposition "in" came into use quite recently, when Ukraine was poisoned by the so-called. independence. The use of the preposition "in" in Russian in relation to Ukraine is of a petty political and propaganda nature, speaking either of illiteracy
                      and strong receptivity of the speaker or of a conscious political position.
                      Based on this, if you write on a Russian site, speak Russian well and try to speak to the point, then say "IN Ukraine", otherwise it will look like propaganda here, which you don't even want to comment on (answer ), as described below.
                      Best regards
                2. 0
                  17 August 2022 17: 03
                  With your lips..
                  Instructors, limited supplies of small arms (with which the Ukronazis love to be photographed so much) of course do not count.
                  Israel helps the Hohlonazis very tightly (intelligence, training in street fighting tactics), but skillfully hides this.
                  The height of the cynicism of Israeli Zionism is the training of ukrochatels to use "human shields", civilian infrastructure (kindergartens, maternity hospitals, schools) to protect against allied forces.
                  1. +2
                    17 August 2022 17: 28
                    Quote: Comrade Kim
                    With your lips..
                    Instructors, limited supplies of small arms (with which the Ukronazis love to be photographed so much) of course do not count.
                    Israel helps the Hohlonazis very tightly (intelligence, training in street fighting tactics), but skillfully hides this.
                    The height of the cynicism of Israeli Zionism is the training of ukrochatels to use "human shields", civilian infrastructure (kindergartens, maternity hospitals, schools) to protect against allied forces.

                    May I not respond to propagandistic hysteria?
      2. Two
        +1
        17 August 2022 14: 56
        hi And footcloths will be wound on the 122nd, or they will be wrapped around a pork skin !? feel
    2. 0
      19 August 2022 10: 15
      Certainly no worse than 777
      1. 0
        20 August 2022 10: 24
        Quote: Clever man
        Certainly no worse than 777

        Actually, 777 can fire with a canopy, since it’s a howitzer, but the M-46 doesn’t know how
  2. +4
    17 August 2022 13: 31
    But about the ammunition for more details pzhl. Antiquarian specimens have already gone to the outskirts ..., we can only meet such a one in the artillery museum ..., and look, it will come to muskets ... but what - it also shoots ...
    1. +9
      17 August 2022 13: 34
      The gun is capable of firing up to six rounds per minute at a range of 27,5 km.
      Not bad, such a musket ...
      1. 0
        17 August 2022 13: 42
        The "newest" gun is already over 50 years old ...., with the same "success" you can count on the guns of the "Aurora", if anything ...., the factory characteristics are one thing, and the texture is another ... Of course, with ammunition , if used as a weapon of one battle ... then probably yes, and then who and what will serve ...?
        1. -2
          17 August 2022 14: 09
          Quote from uprun
          with the same "success" you can count on the guns of the "Aurora", if anything.

          What if it's for fun? Let a duck in the newspaper that they decided to give the Aurora a second life, put modern weapons ... deploy towards Finland? "The old Aurora will cope with the Finns!" )))
        2. +2
          17 August 2022 14: 11
          Quote from uprun
          The "newest" gun is already over 50 years old ...., with the same "success" you can count on the Aurora guns

          At one time, the Soviet Union delivered about 1000 M-46s to India.
          I don’t know how many hundreds of them are in service, but in 2021 they tested an upgraded version of SHARANG.
          As part of this modernization, it was planned to change the barrels to 155mm for three hundred M-46s.
          1. Two
            0
            17 August 2022 14: 58
            hi This is no longer good ... NATO caliber BC is enough! All full-time europia is generously shared!
            1. 0
              17 August 2022 15: 56
              Quote: Dos
              This is no longer good ... NATO caliber BC is enough!

              Can you imagine how long it will take to adapt these guns to the NATO barrel? In the conditions of NWO, this will be immensely long.
        3. +3
          17 August 2022 14: 59
          Quote from uprun
          The "newest" gun is already over 50 years old ...., with the same "success" you can count on the Aurora guns

          Many "Carnations", "Acacias", "Hyacinth", "Peonies" are a little smaller and shoot nothing
      2. +1
        17 August 2022 13: 54
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        The gun is capable of firing up to six rounds per minute at a range of 27,5 km.
        Not bad, such a musket ...

        This is with a sufficient amount of ammunition (which is very doubtful). Maybe they will be left for the defense of the Zapadenschina until they collect enough ammunition? As a result, these guns can be sold on the black market without going into battle.
      3. +1
        17 August 2022 15: 25
        firing any weapon at the maximum distance is shooting towards the enemy
    2. +9
      17 August 2022 13: 52
      There are a lot of ammunition for them in Europe, in the same Romania (they have several hundred of their type-licenses for this gun in storage) they were generally produced (or are still being produced).

      In Syria and Iraq, these guns were valued, and the Americans did not even disdain to use them.
      1. 0
        17 August 2022 15: 06
        Quote: donavi49
        in the same Romania (they have several hundred of their own type-licenses for this gun in storage), they were generally produced (or are still being produced).

        I didn’t find something, but is there a brand?
        Quote: donavi49
        In Syria and Iraq, these guns were valued, and the Americans did not even disdain to use them.

        And the Chinese taught her to shoot for 30 km
        1. +4
          17 August 2022 15: 58
          A412/M1982 - 72 left after sales to Bosnia, Kamera, Guinea and Nigeria.

          În anul 1985, tunul A412 de calibrul 130 mm Model 1982 era în dotarea unui divizion din regimentul de artilerie tunuri-armată (la toate cele patru armate) și la brigada artilerie-tunuri din rezerva general-strategică.[1] După 1990, tunurile Model 1982 au fost în dotarea a două divizioane din brigada de artilerie de nivel armată și corp de armată. On prezent, tunurile A412 au fost retrase din uz, 72 de exemplare fiind de vânzare. Forțele Terestre Române au in rezervă 75 de tunuri Model 1982. Tunul A412 este piesa de artilerie cu cea mai mare bătaie care a intrat in dotarea artileriei române România a exportat tunuri de calibrul 130 mm în Bosnia și Herțegovina (opt exemplare în 1998), Camerun (12 exemplare în 1992), Guinea (12 exemplare în anul 2000 printr-o firmă israeliană) și Nigeria (patru exemplare în 1992).
    3. +4
      17 August 2022 13: 54
      Quote from uprun
      But about ammunition for more details pzhl.

      If there were stocks of 130mm shells in Ukraine, they were most likely sold a long time ago to the Middle East and Africa. Those guns are out there. But I don’t remember any publications about the use of this caliber in the Donbass.
      But if the Croats M46 were in storage, then there was a supply of shells. Will follow the guns.
    4. +1
      17 August 2022 13: 56
      This is the same as at the beginning of the Second World War, artillery systems of the second half of the 19th century were used, from museums and it is not yet clear how they survived.
      1. +4
        17 August 2022 15: 01
        no it's not the same thing. The gun is really long-range and apparently quite reliable. In any case, at the school, it was described to us as a good system, which did not particularly go precisely because of non-standard ammunition. But it was delivered wherever possible. And as for antiques, she is the same age as the D-20, and this system is everywhere in Ukraine.
        1. +1
          17 August 2022 15: 28
          I agree with you, but I meant something completely different. They begin to supply Ukraine with everything that they do not need and frankly "antique" items are not transferred, probably only because they are not available at all.
          1. 0
            17 August 2022 15: 39
            on you, God, that we are not good, I also understand that.
          2. 0
            17 August 2022 16: 48
            Recently, the Spaniards offered the outskirts of the 1936 guns, they proudly refused ..., there is also antiques ...
        2. +1
          17 August 2022 16: 05
          Quote: Vladimir 290
          And as for antiques, it is the same age as the D-20, and this system is everywhere in Ukraine.

          Murz, remember, wrote relatively recently that they changed the worn-out D-30s to the D-20s.
  3. +5
    17 August 2022 13: 32
    This gun is based on the naval, the caliber is not standard for the ground forces. They have not been in the army for a very long time. Therefore, there may be problems with ammunition
    1. +2
      17 August 2022 13: 35
      Well, yes, on the basis of a naval gun ... but with ammunition, it’s really not clear who else has them?
      1. +3
        17 August 2022 13: 37
        Such an outskirts of a sea power with its own Navy .. was .., the campaign is there ...., probably ....
        1. +1
          17 August 2022 13: 46
          Just a question ... how many ships did they have with guns of this caliber ???
          The topic is not mine, I won’t guess ... but the fact that not every “pelvis” can have such a caliber is clear to many.
          1. +1
            17 August 2022 14: 35
            Cruiser Ukraine, for example.
            1. +1
              17 August 2022 14: 44
              So it was "rotted" at the pier, not completed.
              It is unlikely that ammunition was procured for the unfinished work.
              1. +1
                17 August 2022 18: 58
                All 1164 were built there. They could stockpile shells in advance. But problems with long-term storage may well make themselves felt. hi
      2. +4
        17 August 2022 13: 54
        Quote: rocket757
        and with ammunition it’s really not clear who else has them?

        They will deliver from Croatia ... but I would be careful not to fire charges that are more than 50 years old. Stale gunpowder is prone to detonation. Recently there were shots with dill "Peony", rushed for the same reason ...
        1. +1
          17 August 2022 14: 12
          If they deliver, without incident, wait when and where it explodes right when firing.
          however, no one feels sorry for the Kukueska skakuas.
      3. +2
        17 August 2022 13: 57
        And who knows what has been lying around in warehouses since the Soviet era.
      4. +3
        17 August 2022 13: 57
        Quote: rocket757
        and with ammunition it’s really not clear who else has them?

        Widely used in Syria. So someone supplied the shells.
        Wangyu that Russia and Ukraine - in Sevastopol, at one time, there should have been a lot of them.
        1. +1
          17 August 2022 14: 11
          We do not have many such art systems left. They are only on large ships.
          There are no such troops. Ours will not give them this, which means they will get / deliver junk from somewhere ... a dangerous business, even during transportation, and even more so when shooting. Although, someone feels sorry for the Kukuevskys, or what ???
          1. +1
            17 August 2022 15: 04
            Quote: rocket757
            There are no such troops.

            Russia - 650 M-46 guns in storage, as of 2016
            So there are shells.
            Also, in storage are (of those who can supply Ukraine with shells) Bulgaria, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Finland.
            1. 0
              17 August 2022 15: 30
              Time will tell what and how.
  4. +3
    17 August 2022 13: 32
    need another crisis Iranian crisis - thermonuclear
    to put the decommissioned Topol ICBMs in Iran, so far without nuclear warheads
    take a break, sell 10 S-400 air defense divisions to Iran
    after,
    if the Americans continue to support the same Ukraine and turn other countries against Russia
    to supply Iran with nuclear warheads to Poplars, well, or the PRC will help them for us
    BUT, this will already be the FINISH - we will no longer be aisles who will cover whom there
    England has US-made ICBMs with nuclear warheads - the support of allies is the same here
    1. +2
      17 August 2022 13: 55
      + North Korea to help a little, help Argentina against the small British, well, for a snack with Venezuela, Cuba or Nicaragua, eventually make progress on these issues ... All this would be cheaper than the NWO.
      1. +1
        17 August 2022 14: 04
        It's not about the money,
        Ukraine itself would still have attacked the LDNR in March 2022
        and if we hadn’t started the SVO, the Armed Forces of Ukraine would have acquired nuclear weapons - and they would have hit Moscow
      2. 0
        17 August 2022 14: 07
        the helper will not untie? Maybe your country is better to do?
        1. +1
          17 August 2022 16: 37
          Judging by their income, they do not stop working on their country! laughing
          1. +1
            17 August 2022 16: 57
            well, yes, the concept of "dealing with one's country" is different with them bully
            1. +1
              17 August 2022 17: 46
              Quote: faiver
              well, yes, the concept of "dealing with one's country" is different with them bully

              I don’t argue drinks
    2. +2
      17 August 2022 14: 11
      Iran is completely unsuited for such a role. At most, it will be able to cause irreparable damage to Israel, but Israel is not independent, and in many ways only a tool for the US and Britain.
      1. 0
        17 August 2022 14: 24
        Iran is the most - deeply religious - not controlled at all
        Nicaragua, Cuba - don't want war
        Venezuela - 80 to 20 - also not an option
        1. 0
          17 August 2022 14: 33
          Even if Iran can solve its long-term problems, it will not affect the US and the UK.
  5. +2
    17 August 2022 13: 34
    And where did hundreds and hundreds of Soviet-style Ukrainian howitzers go?
    1. +3
      17 August 2022 13: 39
      String bag? Such a black one? With handles? Went to the bath! - "Old Rogues")))
      Currently, it is still in service with a number of countries in Asia, the Middle East and Africa.

      They didn’t care that Ukraine was a leader in the supply of weapons for a long time, while not producing anything?
    2. 0
      17 August 2022 13: 39
      Part of the Ukrainians themselves sold, part of our army destroyed.
    3. +3
      17 August 2022 13: 55
      A week later, six months with a daily consumption of 4-5k shells. Trunks in the trash, but they didn’t make their own trunks there. There is also a deficit with shells, if 122 is normal, then sponsors are already buying 152 in third countries (Africa / Asia).
    4. 0
      17 August 2022 14: 05
      Quote: House 25 Sq. 380
      where did hundreds and hundreds of Soviet-style Ukrainian howitzers go?

      A significant part was sold, along with shells. Plus, for eight years the LDNR was a nightmare.
      If, on average, 500 shells a day, then in eight years, hundreds of five barrels were smashed into the trash.
      And for these six months, at least, the same amount more.
  6. +2
    17 August 2022 13: 44
    But a beautiful weapon! True true!
  7. +2
    17 August 2022 14: 01
    A gun that shoots at 25 km is a good gun.
    Croats lived well under the USSR, now they want to receive preferences from the EU.
    1. 0
      17 August 2022 14: 17
      Let's say Yugoslavia did not go as friends with the USSR ...
      1. 0
        17 August 2022 14: 37
        In your permissions?
        1. 0
          17 August 2022 15: 27
          If you prefer to speak in riddles, then I am not your assistant ...
          hi
  8. +2
    17 August 2022 14: 01
    The gun is serious, albeit a bit old, Rokossovsky won tanks near Moscow with cannons from the time of the Russian-Turkish war of 1877 and nothing ....
    1. +1
      17 August 2022 14: 15
      However, its weight does not apply to its merits, almost 8 tons. You will need a solid tractor.
  9. +2
    17 August 2022 14: 12
    The gun is still good.
    The main thing then is not to forget that the "brothers-Slavs" handed over these guns to Ukrainian lovers of fascism, against our guys and civilians.
  10. +3
    17 August 2022 15: 54
    Counter attack!
    This is how the Russian Federation is at war with the USSR.
    Or do you continue to believe that "the USSR collapsed peacefully, but there could have been big victims"? It's more flowers. Berries ahead.
  11. 0
    18 August 2022 10: 09
    This weapon has never been in service with Ukraine, so they don’t have ammunition where to get it, you have to ask the Croats and Finns for it, but there all the storage periods have already expired, it’s unlikely that Iran and China will sell them relatively fresh active-reactive HE BB and MR-132
  12. 0
    18 August 2022 19: 04
    Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
    However, its weight does not apply to its merits, almost 8 tons. You will need a solid tractor.

    Which is not.
    And also a truck for shells.