The USC announced the timing of the laying of the lead frigate of the modernized project 22350M

The timing of the laying of the lead frigate of the modernized project 22350M will be determined by the customer, i.e. Ministry of Defense. This was stated by the general director of Severnaya Verf Igor Orlov.

The head of the shipbuilding enterprise was asked about the possible laying of the head frigate of the modernized project 22350M next year. According to Orlov, the dates for the laying of the ships are determined by the customer, i.e. military. Today, Severnaya Verf does not plan to conclude new contracts for the construction of ships, since it is building 24 orders at once, including six Project 22350 frigates.

The customer is authorized to speak about the ship laying program - the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

- leads TASS Orlov's words.

The issue of laying the lead frigate of the modernized project 22350M was clarified by USC, which stated that the laying of the ship is planned after the development of the technical design and working design documentation in the amount of at least 60%. The documents for the ship are being prepared by the Northern Design Bureau, in the near future they will be sent to the Ministry of Defense for approval. After that, the military will make a decision on laying the "Super-Gorshkov".

According to available information, Project 22350M frigates will receive from 48 to 64 Caliber, Onyx and Zircon cruise missiles, the Poliment-Redut anti-aircraft missile system with an ammunition load of up to 100 missiles, anti-submarine and torpedo weapons. In total, it is reported that twelve modernized frigates are planned to be built.

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[svp67]

The USC announced the timing of the laying of the lead frigate of the modernized project 22350M

The timing of the laying of the lead frigate of the modernized project 22350M will be determined by the customer, i.e. Ministry of Defense. This was stated by the general director of Severnaya Verf Igor Orlov.

Are you kidding me?

[neworange88]

A year ago, the following information was announced. When will the new boathouse at Severnaya Verf be put into operation? Who owns the information?

The construction of frigates for the ocean zone of Project 22350M will begin no earlier than 2023, the lead ship will be laid down at the Severnaya Verf shipyard in St. Petersburg.


According to TASS, referring to the words of a source from the Russian defense industry, the decision to build a series of Project 22350M frigates has been made, the laying of the lead ship is tentatively scheduled for 2023. This will depend on the timing of the commissioning of a new slipway, the construction of which continues at Severnaya Verf.

https://topwar.ru/185479-nazvany-sroki-zakladki-golovnogo-fregata-proekta-22350m-okeanskoj-zony.html

Here is the news from August 8, 2022. Wow. Where do they get such partners?

It is planned to complete the work in the fall of 2023, Igor Orlov, the general director of the enterprise, told Korabel.ru on August 8.

This completion attempt will be the third one: two previous shipyard contractors went bankrupt.

"Unfortunately, we live in real life, and some of the partners who took on the construction, for various reasons, stopped working with us. It was always very difficult for us. Now a competition has been announced for a new contractor. I hope we will get a reliable partner," said Igor Orlov. However, he did not announce the amount for which the tender was announced.

According to Igor Orlov, at the moment the object is 30% ready. "Now there are all conditions to receive a ready-made complex in October-November next year. We are working on it," the head of the enterprise added.

https://www.dp.ru/a/2022/08/08/Severnaja_verf_objavila

[navigator777]

The bookmark term, as always, is plus 2-3 years, the deadline is plus 3-5 years.
We laugh at the Indian tenders, while we ourselves are not far behind them in terms of timing.

[antivirus]

It is interesting to compare the fleets of 2030: Russia, Brazil, Australia, Algeria, Indonesia, France, Britain ..
Without USA-China-India.
Unfortunately already...

[neworange88]

How could you forget about the fleet of the great commander of all times and peoples Zelensky by 2030?

[antivirus]

Australia is on the list.
But ze will be sent to cattle breeding, kangaroo breeding

[Ripap]

Maybe it would be better to spend this money on equipping KAZ tanks, on attack drones, on reconnaissance satellites, on communication and control systems?

[Doccor18]

Quote: RipRap

Might be better to spend that money on...

Everyone understands your concern, but a ship, especially something like a destroyer, takes a very long time to build. It is necessary to plan the construction of the Fleet decades in advance. It is possible, of course, to "temporarily score" on everything except the NWO for the time of the NWO, but then one should not be surprised that in 10-15 the Fleet will not be able to fulfill more than one task assigned to it ...

[Ripap]

In the current situation, draining a lot of resources on the surface fleet looks like a feast during the plague ..

[Doccor18]

Quote: RipRap

drain a lot of resources on the surface fleet

And again you are right, and again in part ...
No matter how pathetic it may sound, but you need to build everything in parallel. The military budget is also calculated in advance. The question is only reasonable sufficiency, but I think you will not argue with the fact that the surface part of the combat Fleet is going through such near-critical times that no "feast" is even close to being seen there.

[Ripap]

I'm afraid Bolivar can't take two. You will have to choose: a normally equipped ground army, a powerful fleet, or an under-army and under-fleet. Not enough for everything.

[FoBoss_V]

Yes, there is enough for everything, both for the fleet and for the army. And there will still be left for bread and butter ... If the first persons of the state had a desire. Russia has colossal resources, you just need the mind, conscience and courage to consolidate and direct them in the right direction with appropriate control

[Cottodraton]

I often read forums like ixbt, w4bsitXNUMX-dns.com, where, like, our "young engineering and IT elite" sits, and so, judging by the audience there, you will not be able to consolidate and direct many, because only Europhiles and whiners are rot on rot .

[Doccor18]

Quote: RipRap

Well-equipped ground army

Certainly necessary.

Quote: RipRap

powerful fleet

The fleet should not be powerful, but capable of performing specific tasks to ensure the defense capability of our country. This is what you need to start from. It makes no sense to look into the Soviet past with nostalgia and dream about the future, with national AUGs plowing the waters of the Caribbean and the sea ... But having a dozen or three modern submarines and the same number of frigates is quite within the power of the Russian budget.

[Stepan S]

From the fact that more funds will be directed to another direction, nothing will change. It’s just that they will build in one place, as they built it - as much as they can, and downtime will begin at the shipyards after some time. There is money in the country - there is no one to work, and there is nothing.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: RipRap

Might be better to spend the money

What for? We are wasting enormous amounts of money, maybe we can still save a little there? Why is it necessary to save on what is really necessary?
I won’t even remember now all sorts of drank projects like the Poseidon of patrolmen 22160, corvette 20386, etc. I will not remember about the money thrown away for all sorts of olympiads, Skolkovo and Rusnano. But here we were accumulating gold and foreign exchange reserves, for a rainy day, they scared us that this was a horror as necessary.
However, the West cheated us out of 300 billion dollars and suddenly (!!!) it turned out that we didn’t really need this money, the ruble exchange rate against the euro and the dollar stabilized perfectly even without them. But these 300 billion were lying in banks as a dead weight
At the same time, for all the armed forces in 2019, 1,3 trillion rubles were spent on research and development and the purchase of weapons and military equipment. rub. 300 billion dollars in 2019 prices (65 rubles / dollars somewhere) is 19,5 trillion. rub, that is, FIFTEEN annual budgets of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation for R&D and the purchase of equipment!
Do you seriously think that this money would not be enough for KAZ, drones, satellites, and so on?

[navigator777]

It was possible to build several AUGs for 300 billion dollars, but we missed our opportunity to do this, so these AUGs will be built, but not by us.
Okay, we could not talk about these 300 billion, the capitalist system in which we live does not imply a fair distribution of funds, and it was originally imprisoned for capital accumulation, so all our talk is empty and meaningless ...

[Stepan S]

It was possible to build several AUGs for 300 billion dollars

Yes, it was impossible to build them - because there is nowhere to build, no one and nothing.

[Devil13]

Horseradish has been hammered into the fleet during the GPV since 2012.
In a couple of years, at the current pace of construction, we will not have a fleet.
The fleet is not tanks, another 10 thousand from the reserve you will not suddenly get cars.
Compared to the costs, believe me, the fleet from all branches of the armed forces does not receive enough.
It’s better to overdo it to buy "modernized" BMP-1, MTLB and other things from the 50s.
Stupidly, instead of ordering obsolete equipment, ordering a normal new one will be much better.

And yes. 1 frigate 22350m
Replaces:
S-350 division
Shell Division
Division 122mm-152mm howitzers
From 4 to 6 divisions Bastion
Are you sure that it is still more expensive to build normal destroyers?

[tralflot1832]

They all sailed, practically hit the ceiling. And they built new construction sheds and modernized the old ones. Everything is busy with orders. 24 objects at one shipyard, the same at others. felling is worth it. Suspicious.

[Romario_Argo]

looks no longer like 2 (two) UDC - but like 1 heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser, Manatee Ave.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Romario_Argo

and for 1 heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser, Manatee Ave.

to Star Destroyer

[tralflot1832]

They learned how to build hulls, now they hit the engine. We can do it, but not much.

[Xnumx vis]

Here is such a picture ... UDC

[tralflot1832]

The nose part, some kind of unfinished, ugly.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: tralflot1832

The nose part, some kind of unfinished, ugly.

Like it, don't like it.... Just to be built.

[tralflot1832]

You live closer there, you will light up when the large-section assembly begins. In dry dock.

[Romario_Argo]

the width of the hull allows you to build something more - than announced
good layout - turn 200 meters into 300 = make insert body into 100 meters
as an option on the UDC case, you can then build a TAVKR
only I see these design features (???)

[tralflot1832]

Shh, now two "gangs" will run in, one why do we need an aircraft carrier? The second one we don't know how to build, but under the USSR ?!

[Romario_Argo]

I'm telling you, the backing track is all garbage - TAVKR is cool (!)
it can be seen on the layout that it is possible to expand the deck to a landing - diagonal
with increasing length - take-off springboard
A power plant for 4 propellers is enough x 2 = 8 gas turbine engines of 27500 hp each. = 220 hp = 000 knots

[tralflot1832]

You are not the only one who sees that the project has an unfinished look.

[faiver]

we can't build anything

- well, why, we can, but extremely slowly and through the fifth point ....

[Romario_Argo]

subcontractors break all deadlines
and our valiant opposition goes bankrupt and exposes suppliers to courts
FSK needs to be revived as a separate service

[faiver]

and allies and the valiant opposition are from alpha centauri?

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Romario_Argo

the width of the hull allows you to build something more - than announced

Taking into account the fact that the width of 23900 is 38 m, the width of the good old TAVKR Baku is 52 m, the TAVKR Kuznetsov is 72 m, and not at night, the mentioned Manatee had a hull width greater than that of the UDC along with the flight deck, the value of your insights is difficult to underestimate

Quote: Romario_Argo

as an option on the UDC case, you can then build a TAVKR

You obviously outplayed Lego

[tralflot1832]

When the first section appears in the dry dock in the Gulf, it will be clear what is being built there and whether it is being built at all. Azovstal is no longer Azovstal.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: tralflot1832

When will the first section appear in the dry dock in the Gulf

Yeah ... if it appears.

[Stepan S]

Where to carry iron to the hulls.

iron in the country is above the roof, metallurgical plants are without orders. And to bring - no problem. It's not millions of tons to be transported.

[tralflot1832]

The nearest one is in Lipetsk, but does it have a rolling mill to roll ship hull steel?

[Stepan S]

Severstal definitely makes steel for the fleet. Loading on the river-sea directly in the port and to the Crimea. No problem.

[tralflot1832]

And in winter? I’m not sure that our logisticians will logistically deliver the metal to the ideal, between navigations. But if a couple is “shot” for disrupting deliveries ...

[Stepan S]

Well, there is a train, the Crimean bridge is still in operation)

[tralflot1832]

Yes, there is, but everyone has already switched to SKD assembly of hull sections. Yes, it is possible and necessary to carry steel in railway cars. But I would like modern methods of building ships. So that the sheet is not limited in the size of railway cars.

[Romario_Argo]

You obviously outplayed Lego

SLR understood - accepted
need a photo from the beginning to see the sections in the dry dock of the Gulf,
we don't know how wide it is yet.
- only guesses and dreams

[faiver]

somewhere there is a good children's ship modeling circle ....

[Stepan S]

As life shows, any ship should have air defense, and the larger the ship, the more reliable the air defense. And on the UDC something air defense is poorly visible. And there will be people and equipment - above the roof, and they can burn out and drown from one rocket or UAV.

[Devil13]

Have you seen an aircraft carrier or udk with air defense for a long time?
Are you aware that the ships have .... the tasks for which they are built?
Udk and aircraft carrier - ships used only with a warrant. Here the warrant has everything, and they have what the warrant does not have - huge volumes for landing, and aviation

[Stepan S]

Are you aware that the ships have .... the tasks for which they are built?

I do not see the possibility for our fleet to have ships for a "warrant" under the UDC. They cannot protect themselves from a missile or an UAV.

[Devil13]

So in the operation area, not a single 22350 or 20380/20385.
From what it can - 11356, and he just reflected.
But his circle is 12 km, so the same bayraktar does not fly close, he has nothing to get stupidly.

Ships for the warrant will have to be in any case.
For our fleet, there is rather no way to have a udk - where are we going to land, in America?
And deliveries to friendly countries are easier on normal transport workers.

Or do you want another aircraft cruiser like Kushnetsov - and not an aircraft carrier, and not a krezser, a solid NOT?

[antivirus]

Udk will not be a deck, but caves in the sides - secret UAVs without plogs will fly out at night, immediately dive and after 100 km again go up to attack.
Everything will change 24 g

[aszzz888]

According to available information, project 22350M frigates will be put into service from 48 to 64 Caliber, Onyx and Zircon cruise missiles, anti-aircraft missile system "Polyment-Redut" with an ammunition load of up to 100 missiles, anti-submarine and torpedo weapons.

With such weapons, it will be a very formidable ship for dominance in the seas and oceans.

[faiver]

it will be

- the question is when, tryndet, it’s not coolies to turn ....

[aszzz888]

faiver (Andrew)
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it will be
- the question is when, tryndet it’s not coolies to turn ....

In the RF Ministry of Defense.

[Sergey39]

Let Orlov tell you when the boathouse for two buildings is put into operation for the construction of frigates 22350M, and does not nod at the project and the Moscow Region.
Two contractors disappeared and what's next ???(((

[Stepan S]

Two contractors disappeared and what's next?

And the third will perish, because the more contractors, the more money you can put past the cash register.

[ramzay21]

That's why now play new experiments and throw a lot of money on them? It is necessary to build a maximum series of 22350, at least 40 pieces at all plants that can build it, this is the Northern Shipyard and the ASZ and Kaliningrad Yantar, otherwise by the 30s we will be left with museum ships instead of the fleet. And those in the leadership of the country and the fleet. who do not understand this do not occupy their place.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: ramzay21

That's why now play new experiments and throw a lot of money on them?

There are no "excrements" there, in essence the 22350M is an enlarged 22350. And the 22350 really turned out, but a number of shortcomings are organically inherent in it precisely because of the small displacement. Therefore, creating a destroyer based on 22350 is the right and cheap approach.

Quote: ramzay21

at least 40 pieces at all factories

Sorry, but for this it is necessary to restore the USSR. Realistically will pieces 12 well if.

[ramzay21]

Therefore, creating a destroyer based on 22350 is the right and cheap approach.

Of course, such a destroyer is needed, but this is not just an enlarged Gorshkov, these are new hull contours, these are new engines and gearboxes with which we have problems, and this is another long-term construction with a slipway occupied for ten years or more.
No matter how great the desire to build a destroyer in the current realities and the lack of money, building piece ships instead of a series is wrong. We need a combat-ready, massive and inexpensive ship, and 22350 is an ideal option for us.

Sorry, but for this it is necessary to restore the USSR. Realistically will pieces 12 well if.

To do this, you need to count money. Instead of virtual 12 22350M, you can build real 20-25 22350, instead of a series of stupid RTOs Buyan-M or 22160, you could build 4-5 22350, instead of two helicopter carriers, you can build another dozen 22350. Here you have 40 Gorshkovs, quite real and combat-ready . If the Black Sea Fleet had 6 frigates 22350 instead of a zoo of the ancient cruiser, pelvis 22160 and MRK Buyan-M, then it would be possible not to do stupid things like landing on Zmeiny, one Gorshkov could control the entire water area there along with the airspace over the Odessa region.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: ramzay21

Of course, such a destroyer is needed, but this is not just an enlarged Gorshkov, these are new hull lines, these are new engines

Generally not a fact. It could be made three-shaft on those de gtz. And the new contours are not a tragedy at all.

Quote: ramzay21

and this is another long-term construction with a slipway occupied for ten years or more.

The fact of the matter is that it is not - almost all the "minced meat" is serial and mastered in production.

Quote: ramzay21

Instead of virtual 12 22350M, you can build real 20-25 22350,

I think there are 16 pieces.

Quote: ramzay21

instead of a series of stupid RTOs Buyan-M or 22160, 4-5 22350 could be built,

Buyan-M are very good, no need to offend them. They are also relevant in the Caspian Sea, and as mobile river batteries, the Kyrgyz Republic justified itself while the INF was operating.

Quote: ramzay21

instead of two helicopter carriers, you can build another dozen 22350.

What ten? Three pieces from strength, and that is doubtful

[iouris]

"I have a desire to buy a horse ... But I do not have the opportunity."

[Scharnhorst]

The issue of laying the lead frigate of the modernized project 22350M was clarified by USC, which stated that the laying of the ship is planned after the development of the technical design and working design documentation in the amount of at least 60%.

It seems that in project 22350M the letter that has crept in from the Ukrainian MRIYA is a dream, an illusion ... It is speculative to inflate in size a non-masterpiece frigate with countless shortcomings, this is Manilovism. Two firstborns with foreign engines, with a raw air defense system, with a claim to a universal ship have not yet scored elementary statistics on operation and combat use, and there are already four with enhanced weapons ahead. The Americans are building their Burkes in the third version only after a series of 15-20 ships of the previous modification, but we have not completed the first four yet, but we are already going to release the third modernization ... A vicious practice that causes problems for the fleet. 22350M, if ahead of its time, then only with a negative result. I think so!