Uralvagonzavod received a new state contract for the supply of T-90M tanks to the troops

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Share of major combat tanks The T-90M will increase in the Russian army, Uralvagonzavod received a new contract for the manufacture of a new batch of this armored vehicle. The agreement was signed within the framework of the Army-2022 forum.

The Ministry of Defense increased the state defense order for the main battle tanks T-90M, the state contract was received by the general director of UVZ Alexander Potapov. In addition to the supply of T-90M, the concern received a contract for overhaul with the modernization of T-80BV tanks, the parameters of the contracts have not yet been disclosed.



Also, the state contract for the overhaul of infantry fighting vehicles BMP-2 with modernization was received by the "103rd armored repair plant", located in the Chita region of Transbaikalia. The parameters of the contract are also not disclosed.

As explained in the Ministry of Defense, the state defense order was adjusted taking into account the experience of combat use of equipment in the framework of a special military operation in Ukraine, the capabilities of the Russian defense industry and the economic situation in the country. The emphasis will be placed on the purchase of new modern equipment and weapons, as well as on the modernization of existing models.

The T-90M tank was developed as part of the Breakthrough-3 development work and is a deep modernization of the T-90 with an increase in combat and operational characteristics. During the modernization, a new turret module with a 90-mm cannon of increased survivability and accuracy was installed on the T-125M. The turret is equipped with a 12,7 mm remote-controlled machine gun mount. The new tank is equipped with a highly automated digital fire control system.

Judging by the videos that appeared on the Web, the T-90M tank is used by Russian troops as part of the NMD, although the T-72B3 and its modifications still remain the main vehicle.
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  1. +24
    16 August 2022 19: 09
    The Ministry of Defense increased the state defense order for the T-90M main battle tanks,

    This should be done by default, and not presented as something "breakthrough"!
    1. +12
      16 August 2022 19: 19
      Six months later, the SVO still began to understand that the old tanks were not very good. Well, ok, better late than never.
      1. +25
        16 August 2022 19: 36
        that old tanks are not very good.

        Grandma said in two. I saw a video where our T-72B3 in a dense urban area withstood 4 roof-breakers in a row, all tankers survived and left the tank.
        But this does not eliminate the need to intensify the supply of new tanks with an active protection complex. In modern warfare, without them, a tank is just a target.
        1. +16
          16 August 2022 20: 50
          Modification b3 costs like the floor of a new tank, and not that there is no Kaz, there is no panorama, and the holes in the forehead are not covered by dz. For this money, it was possible to do much more worthily and squeeze the maximum out. But the pockets of corrupt generals in the Moscow Region are more important than the lives of our guys in NWO
          1. +5
            17 August 2022 04: 41
            The BZ was done dead before the SVO, no need to speculate here
          2. 0
            17 August 2022 10: 18
            I think it's cheaper. But it is also not cheap, and not much can be capitalized.
            https://voenhronika.ru/publ/rossijskaja_armija_udarnaya_sila/vot_takaja_sudba_sovetskikh_tankov_t_80bv_s_zavoda_pochti_srazu_v_otstojnik_na_30_let_chto_s_nimi_delajut_sejchas_2020/49-1-0-8874
          3. +6
            17 August 2022 10: 53
            Where did you get the information that the generals line their pockets when purchasing BT? The Prosecutor's Office, the Investigative Committee, the FSB?! Do you have exact information about the content of the MO contracts with Uralvagonzavod? Do not share?
      2. +11
        16 August 2022 20: 27
        30 years after the demonstration of active protection for tanks, it is not observed in its own and is not even ordered. Are tanks really cheaper than kaz
        1. +5
          17 August 2022 09: 35
          T. Stalin would say to this: "Comrades believe that equipping KAZ tanks is expensive. Put them there and into battle, and then we'll see if KAZ becomes cheaper."
        2. 0
          18 August 2022 16: 33
          Quote: saved
          30 years after the demonstration of active protection for tanks, it is not observed in its own and is not even ordered. Are tanks really cheaper than kaz

          KAZ is overcome by a paired launch of ATGMs or RPGs. KAZ is vulnerable to artillery and mortar fire. There is no unambiguity in the effectiveness of KAZ in the conditions of combined arms combat with a comparable enemy.
    2. +11
      16 August 2022 19: 38
      Quote: Sergio_7
      The Ministry of Defense increased the state defense order for the T-90M main battle tanks,

      This should be done by default, and not presented as something "breakthrough"!

      That's for sure! Especially when it is not about the most modern tank.

      Another contract for "Armata" could at least partly pass off as something "breakthrough" (although according to the plans of the Ministry of Defense announced earlier, it should have been signed long ago), and we are trying to repair and modernize the "old woman" BMP-2 give out for a breakthrough.
      At the same time, of course, it attracts attention that there is not a word about Armata.
      1. +9
        16 August 2022 21: 21
        Quote: 1Alexey
        Another contract for "Armata" could at least partly be passed off as something "breakthrough

        Serial contracts for the supply of "Armata" were concluded between the Ministry of Defense and UVZ (Uralvagonzavod. - RBC). State tests are underway, we expect them to be completed in the next year or two. Until the end of 2021, under one of the contracts, it is planned to supply an initial batch of machines. <...> Starting from 2022, we will reach stable serial deliveries of these machines,” said Terlikov.
        The contract is already there, the work has not been done yet. We are waiting feel
      2. 0
        17 August 2022 02: 35
        Armata is 2 times more expensive than Abrams and 2,5 times more expensive than Leopard. About this, a few years ago, said the Commander-in-Chief of the Ground Forces Pokrovsky.
        1. +2
          17 August 2022 08: 11
          Armata for your information, on the contrary, it is 2,5 times cheaper than Abrams. 3,7 vs. 9 million dollars. Where do you get information? Think with your head, always our weapons were many times cheaper than Western ones. And when Armata goes into series it will cost less
        2. -2
          19 August 2022 01: 14
          Postnikov, not Pokrovsky. Wrong. It happens.
      3. 0
        18 August 2022 08: 29
        A small series of Armats in the troops. I really don’t know if they are participating in hostilities anywhere.
        True, at first they were silent about the Su-57 for about 2 months, and they are also used there, in Ukraine. Regarding additional protection. How many videos I watched, tanks of all modifications that take part in hostilities are hung with additional protection.
    3. +12
      16 August 2022 20: 32
      This is news on the site. Count the number of "breakthrough news" per week. Do not swear - this is still normal news.
      T-80-BV, about a thousand seems to be in storage - norms. I should have started back in February, but it's okay.
      1. +5
        16 August 2022 20: 43
        just for the new tank divisions in 11AK, 6A, 14A
        1. +3
          16 August 2022 22: 34
          Operational reserve, replenishment loss. The most important thing is that you have teeth and will last for a long time. Thanks for having them.
      2. +2
        17 August 2022 09: 39
        The T-80 is a very good car, and after modernization, let it be like in the 80s from it in NATO, the head will hurt again. Remember its name is the English Channel tank ..
        1. 0
          17 August 2022 13: 49
          This is one of the best tanks of its time. But alas, the time of the T80 is already gone. And in vain they refused it. His ideology is amazing. T90 took a lot from T80, but lost momentum. Further development of the eighty would give a wonderful result
    4. 0
      16 August 2022 23: 09
      A respected one took it off his tongue! The order must also be given for such a wise decision!
    5. -2
      17 August 2022 09: 44
      Should, but not done)
  2. +5
    16 August 2022 19: 17
    Well, at least things have moved on with the T90M.
    1. -2
      16 August 2022 21: 39
      And what's the point - according to KAZ for tanks and other armored vehicles, there were no orders and no.
  3. -16
    16 August 2022 19: 18
    1) For starters, it is necessary now to make a plant that would modernize Soviet equipment, and a plant at least 300-400 km from the border. So that they don’t get it, well, it’s not far to go after modernization. in a suitable technical form.
    BMP, BTR, MTLB, by the way, you can stop using it altogether (give it to LDNR).
    You can try to farm a module for drones with aliexpress. Tipo put a flask on the armored personnel carrier tower, from which the UAV launches and conducts reconnaissance.
    It's like a dream
    1. +6
      16 August 2022 19: 57
      Anton, many good factories are needed throughout the country, but this will only be after revolution 2.0
      1. -8
        16 August 2022 20: 58
        Enough revolutions for Russia! The Communists have already brought the country to collapse, to be devoured by the devils.
        1. -22
          16 August 2022 21: 07
          I agree. Watans only have revolutions on their minds. Building, developing and creating Russia is not for them. The Bolsheviks throughout their existence prevented the Russians and other peoples from making Russia a beauty.
          1. +18
            16 August 2022 21: 17
            but they created the best army in their time ..... but the most Russian Nevatans first pumped the Russian-Japanese, then the 1st World War ...... it's not about the monarchist / communist ..... It's about devotion to the Motherland
            1. -7
              16 August 2022 21: 44
              But they created the best army in their time. Yes, they created it, but in 1939 the Finns beat this army well, and in the 41st, the Germans destroyed this best army by 70% on the western front, ours won, having suffered huge losses, the largest in the history of wars for the entire time of the existence of mankind and this army did not help save the USSR.
              1. 0
                16 August 2022 23: 15
                The biggest? Nu nu, China's losses in WWII are almost twice as high
              2. +8
                17 August 2022 00: 40
                There is no need for this liberda at the level of "would drink Bavarian".
                In Finland, they completed the main task - they pushed the border away from Leningrad. If this had not been done, then in 41 the defeat of the USSR would have been inevitable. And in the 39th, all those involved understood this very well.
                In fact, the Winter War is a "mirror" of the current NWO. There, too, they wanted to quickly stir up a rustle on the political leadership of the Finns and deal with their extremely poorly equipped army with "maneuverable groups, with a mighty blow". But it did not grow together and, having suffered monstrous losses, the Red Army immediately revised its actions, instead of "dashing breakthroughs" they had to gnaw through the echeloned defense with artillery and tanks. And by the way, they did a pretty good job of it.
                The army could not save the USSR, because. the top of the party sold the country for the possibility of their own enrichment. There was an attempt to save the country, but "too little and too late."
              3. +1
                17 August 2022 11: 46
                The losses of the Red Army and the Wehrmacht with the allies are the same, read Krivosheev, but the rest is a civilian tortured by the Nazis. The Chinese have the same ... there japs ​​up to the BO Plague of Cholera Rettexia .. had fun as best they could.
              4. -3
                17 August 2022 20: 54
                Yes, the Finns battered BUT we won the war .. and the German beat us BUT we won the war .... the tsarist army ran two wars in one gate ..... and about the country .... the army shoots at its people once
                1. 0
                  18 August 2022 18: 54
                  ... the tsarist army pumped two wars into one gate ..

                  The tsarist army won the First World War, and the Jews-criminals-Bolsheviks, who staged a coup d'etat with the money of the Germans and Britons, performed a well-deserved victory, and then signed the humiliating Treaty of Brest-Litovsk for the sake of maintaining their own power.

                  The Great Patriotic War was won by generals, colonels, officers who learned to fight and win on the fronts of the First World War.
                  The bawlers - the Bolsheviks were only able to ruin the soldiers by the thousands, thoughtlessly driving them into frontal attacks on tanks and machine guns.
                  1. -2
                    18 August 2022 19: 21
                    you need to read the encyclopedic data on the results of the First World War ... you can look for any conspiracies and all sorts of Jewish Masonic lodges, but the fact is an iron thing ... but in fact Nikolashka blew the empire and two wars ..... the fleet owes him personally the destruction 2 fleets in the Russian-Japanese ...... The Bolsheviks were the first to build a POWER ..... which, in a short time after WWI, revolutions, civil war, intervention and famine, survived the war with the Wehrmacht and not only survived, but won ... These are the facts, and facts are stubborn things. Regarding the generals educated in the Republic of Ingushetia and Central Asia ..... Zhukov rose to the rank of junior non-commissioned officer, Rokossovsky corporal, Meretskov did not serve in Central Asia, Tyulenev ensign, Apanasenko ensign, Pavlov senior non-commissioned officer, Vasilevsky staff captain, Vatutin did not serve in Central Asia, Malinovsky corporal, junior non-commissioned Konev, Popov did not serve in Central Asia, ensign Antonov ..... so I can write about everyone - this is open data - if anyone has received an education, then the rank is just not a private, although there are some who did not serve at all. And they have nothing to do with learning to fight and win as commanders and commanders on the fields of WWI. Do not pull the owl on the globe
                    1. 0
                      18 August 2022 21: 09
                      The Bolsheviks destroyed the Great Russian Empire and built a camp state on its ruins;
                      And don’t whistle to me about Russian officers !!!
                      The fact that all the generals were soldiers and junior commanders is no secret to anyone.
                      Despite the Civil War and the repressions of the thirties of the last century, a significant number of former officers of the Russian Imperial Army and the Russian army of the period of the Provisional Government survived until the Great Patriotic War and served already under Soviet rule. They played an important role there: the “military experts” (as they were called) trained the new, Soviet generation of the military, passed on the traditions and spirit of the old Russian army to the Red Army.
                      Up to 40% of the entire officer corps of pre-revolutionary Russia went into the service of the Bolsheviks and forged their victory. The head of the Revolutionary Military Council, L. D. Trotsky, believed that without the tsarist officers, the victory of the Reds in the Civil War would have been impossible. The tsarist officers also contributed to the victory of Russian weapons in the Great Patriotic War, indirectly by participating in the construction of the armed forces and directly by commanding the Red Army. Their role is even visible statistically - about 35% of all division commanders of the Red Army during the Great Patriotic War were officers of the old army. 35% of the front commanders in 1941-1945, a third of the army commanders and 13% of the commanders also managed to become officers before 1917. Their share in the infantry was especially great. There were enough former officers of the imperial army among the famous Soviet marshals and generals, who impressed the whole world with their victories. Georgy Konstantinovich Zhukov also fought in the tsarist army (he received the St. George Cross for military merit), but as just a non-commissioned officer who was just starting his military career. There were also people of a higher rank - Apollon Yakovlevich Kruse, lieutenant general of the Red Army, commander. The legendary lieutenant general Dmitry Karbyshev, who was tortured to death by the Germans, and lieutenant general Alexander Bakhtin once swore allegiance to the tsar. But the most famous tsarist officers, who became the largest commanders of the Red Army in the war against Germany, can literally be counted on the fingers (there cannot be many such people). First of all, we are talking about the five marshals of the USSR. Alexander Mikhailovich Vasilevsky in the tsarist army rose to the level of staff captain and even then became famous for his energy and personal courage. Vasilevsky walked ahead of the soldiers, dragging them along into the attack. He took part in the famous Brusilov breakthrough (1916). During the war with Nazi Germany, he, as an experienced commander, got to carry out the most complex operations. One of these operations was the storming of Konigsber, heavily fortified by the Germans, in 1945. Then Vasilevsky commanded the Soviet troops in the war with Japan. After the war, he became Minister of War of the USSR (1949-1953)
                      Fyodor Ivanovich Tolbukhin also became a staff captain under the tsar. Tolbukhin led the Soviet troops in Stalingrad, liberated Yugoslavia, Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary and Austria from the Germans. Until 1917, Tolbukhin commanded a battalion, received the orders of St. Anna and St. Stanislav. In total, Fedor Ivanovich led 12 major operations of the Soviet troops, of which 11 ended successfully. Colonel Boris Mikhailovich Shaposhnikov is a staff officer: it was he who developed the counteroffensive near Moscow in the winter of 1941-1942. Shaposhnikov also participated in the development of offensive operations in the Crimea. And in 1943 he became head of the Military Academy of the General Staff. Stalin kept the former tsarist colonel close to him, treated Shaposhnikov with great respect and constantly used his advice on military affairs.
                      Leonid Aleksandrovich Govorov, marshal and hero of the Soviet Union, served as a lieutenant in the Russian Imperial Army. Then he fought against the Reds, becoming a lieutenant with the Whites under Kolchak. Pretty quickly, he realized that the white movement was not for him, and moved on to the red ones. Govorov showed himself well during the Civil War, and much later - during the breakthrough of the Mannerheim Line during the Winter War with the Finns (1939-1940). The irony of fate: being a White Guard, Govorov participated in the battles against the Red Army, and in 1941 he led it near Moscow. In addition to the defense of Moscow (for which he received the Order of Lenin), Govorov distinguished himself near Leningrad, becoming the organizers of the breakthrough (Operation Iskra) and lifting the blockade of the city. Another Marshal of the USSR and twice Hero of the Soviet Union, Ivan Khristoforovich Bagramyan, was an ensign in the tsarist army. During the war of 1941-1945. Bagramyan commanded the fronts, was one of the developers of the plan for Operation Bagration in 1944 (the liberation of Belarus), then took Koenigsberg.
                      1. -3
                        19 August 2022 00: 31
                        all the generals of the Second World War you listed during WWI were not generals and in 95% they commanded companies, battalions ..... and therefore the WWI experience cannot even be pulled to the leadership and experience in leading corps, armies, fronts. Even if you pull and drag very hard. The tsarist officers lost the civil and intervention to the Bolsheviks - so their genius is not so genius after all. The fact will remain a fact .... RI lost the war and the REV and WWI .... you can at least get away proving the opposite, but the fact will remain a fact. And they won the WWII commies .... they won the revolution and the civil one, repulsed the intervention. And even if they themselves were not geniuses, they were able to pick up commanders, pick up and captivate. I will not even voice the organization of the work of the rear. The industry worked ...... the evacuation of metallurgy and heavy engineering to the Urals is generally a feast for the eyes. And yes, unlike the Republic of Ingushetia, they managed to mobilize the people to fight, which the tsarist authorities could not in WWI .... mobilized and motivated to resist
                      2. 0
                        19 August 2022 13: 03
                        If it weren’t for the powerful industrial base of the Russian Empire, Russia ranked 4th in the world in terms of GDP and first in terms of economic growth! If it weren’t for the numerous and fairly qualified workers and engineers trained in tsarist universities, vocational schools, at tsarist factories and factories ( before WWI, Russia taught three times more students
                        than Germany!
                        there would be no trace of Soviet industrialization ....
                        With the royal gold and the grain taken from the peasants, the communists bought up industrial equipment in the West, entire factories ....
                        All that the Bolsheviks themselves created is an inert, stupid, but very tenacious Soviet bureaucracy.
                      3. -3
                        19 August 2022 21: 24
                        if the grandmother had a member, it would have been a grandfather ...... the tsarist authorities pumped the country, the emperor pumped the country .... because they were incompetent, because they were not EMPERORS AND RULERS ...... the degenerate sat on throne - and finished like a degenerate. Once again ...... the country remained the same and the people remained the same .... the entire generals of the Red Army for the period of the Second World War were COMMUNISTS. Not monarchists, not Social Revolutionaries, not liberals - they are all communists. And the entire top of the army were communists. And the factories often worked children and girls who were not trained in any educational institutions of the Republic of Ingushetia.
                      4. +1
                        20 August 2022 02: 38
                        Nui where are these communists and where is their great country?
                        They stole and betrayed the "communist idea" for the sake of personal selfish interests .....
                      5. -2
                        20 August 2022 03: 14
                        that's exactly the same as the previous ones .... they degenerated and the country was pumped
                      6. -1
                        20 August 2022 03: 15
                        and if you ask specifically for "these" that built the state, then alas .... man is mortal
                      7. -3
                        19 August 2022 00: 35
                        the terrible Bolsheviks did not kill everyone who served in the tsarist army)))) it turns out that they are not so cannibals))))) the country and the people remained the same after the revolution and, accordingly, part of the old army remained in the new army ... it is logical, BUT this is not makes it the royal army during the Second World War.
              5. -2
                17 August 2022 20: 58
                the goal was achieved ... the efficiency is 100% - the army of vatans ... not even so ... megawatts)))) efficiency in 2 wars 0% - the army of the God-beloved holy great martyr Nikolashka .... the most finished emperor of Russia
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          2. 0
            17 August 2022 11: 56
            And what do you think this "make beauty" is expressed in?
    2. +5
      16 August 2022 21: 08
      BMP, BTR, MTLB, by the way, you can stop using it altogether (give it to LDNR).

      Soon there will be no LDNR, so there is nothing to fence the garden.
      1. +1
        17 August 2022 05: 18
        Quote: Stepan S
        Soon there will be no LDNR ...
        LDNR will remain until the SVO is completed. It is in the LDNR that mercenaries are sentenced to death, because the republic is a party to the conflict under the former "Minsk agreements". In Russia, they cannot be sentenced to death, because mercenaries are not fighting in Russia (not that jurisdiction).
  4. +2
    16 August 2022 19: 20
    Yes, it’s a pity that the times have gone again when they talk about contracts, but not a word about the amount of equipment supplied. It is not even clear how many will be modernized and how many will be produced from scratch. The term "for the manufacture of a new batch" can also mean the modernization of the remnants of the T90a (and how many of them are left there?)
    1. -3
      17 August 2022 02: 40
      Three years ago, Rogozin, with ill-concealed joy, reported that the defense order had been completed by 95 percent. The troops received 10 Armata tanks (though not a single one on the move) and 2 armored personnel carriers Kurganets. The Kurgan is 6 times more expensive than the similar Iveco, and the Armata is 2,5 times more expensive than the Leopard.
      1. +4
        17 August 2022 02: 50
        Quote: Bronik
        Kurgan is 6 times more expensive than a similar Iveco, and Armata is 2,5 times more expensive than a Leopard

        I don’t know how much Kurganets is “similar” to Iveco, but there is no doubt that the T14 and Leo (any) are two completely different cars.

        Or is any tractor with a gun similar to another for you? Well, tody "oh" (s).
      2. 0
        17 August 2022 05: 23
        Quote: Bronik
        Kurgan is 6 times more expensive than a similar Iveco
        The Kurgan can float on water, the Iveco can't.
      3. +2
        17 August 2022 21: 01
        The question is not how many 10 armats cost, but how many 1000.
  5. +2
    16 August 2022 19: 20
    BMP-2 with modernization
    I hope with increased security, but it was interesting in the DPR.

    1. 0
      16 August 2022 20: 54
      What's interesting here? Active protection, when triggered, can break through the main armor. Nobody prepared the BMP-2 for such a refinement when designing.
      1. +7
        16 August 2022 21: 46
        If you haven't noticed, additional armor plates are installed on this BMP and Contact 1 is already installed on them.
  6. +10
    16 August 2022 19: 35
    for the overhaul of infantry fighting vehicles BMP-2 with modernization received the "103rd armored repair plant", located in the Chita region of Transbaikalia. .... And where is our Ussuriysk 216th Armored Plant .... well, yes ... well, yes ... they optimized ... they didn’t even leave the walls of the workshops .... that’s close to the elbow, but you’ll bite the hell. Oh, and how he needs now ...
    1. +3
      17 August 2022 03: 27
      Yesterday I drove past him, also sighed, . . . . (this is a 4-letter word). There were so many T62s before !!!! Then share somewhere. I only know that the director, the same one, back then in the 90s, was the first in Ussuriysk to mine, bought a 2-tiered apartment, with a garage on the minus first tier. It remains only a hostel with him, even people still live there. Well, it's just ruins. - - - -!!!!
      1. +2
        17 August 2022 10: 06
        Many of those who destroyed the industry in the 90s would change their cozy mansions to bunk beds. It is a pity that this is only a dream of the people. The fifth column stands with us like the Yeltsin center.
    2. 0
      18 August 2022 16: 06
      Quote: Shket53
      for the overhaul of infantry fighting vehicles BMP-2 with modernization

      It looks like this trash will last until the next century. Unless, of course, World War III starts
      1. +1
        18 August 2022 16: 16
        Well, compared to Leo and Abrash ... yes, 62 is rubbish, but as an assault weapon to support infantry .... so why not
  7. +9
    16 August 2022 19: 36
    They will hang gratings, maybe they will slightly update the sights. I think this will be the entire modernization of the "two".
  8. -11
    16 August 2022 19: 45
    What's the point of your t-90m? Send 1-2 pieces to your and all business. And you will send 1 piece, as the previous one will be thrown out. And the troops, as they fought on the Soviet legacy, will remain on it.
    1. +4
      16 August 2022 20: 01
      Well, what's the point ... And at the parade they look so beautiful when the new ones roll along the Red Square, as many as 9 pieces ... And you immediately CBO ...
  9. +2
    16 August 2022 19: 58
    It would be strange if there weren’t such a contract during such large-scale hostilities, it’s a pity the number is now a secret, but this is for us, the adversary will be in the know.
  10. -3
    16 August 2022 19: 59
    To be honest, even this is happy. At least something...
  11. 0
    16 August 2022 20: 01
    I'm more interested in contracts for BMPT "Terminator". Hear what?
    1. -2
      16 August 2022 21: 49
      On the BMPT and Tosochka, hundreds of them are needed by the army
  12. +3
    16 August 2022 20: 07
    Before the operation in Banderlogia, I argued with a young and very stupid organism who claimed that a tank lives in battle for 5 minutes and there is no point in tanks! Since they were called a mass grave. I suggested that he attack the enemy with a machine gun, without tanks and self-propelled guns. But stupidity knows no bounds.
    1. -2
      16 August 2022 23: 18
      Well, at the expense of 5 minutes, I agree in principle, my brother is a tanker, recently quit as a regiment, he said the same thing, and that the tank burns out in 40 seconds. But no one canceled their relevance on the battlefield
      1. +4
        17 August 2022 04: 45
        I graduated from the Omsk tank and I am jarred by specialists who believe that the tank is not needed on the battlefield, as it is quickly destroyed. And the infantryman in the attack lives for a few seconds, so let's give up the infantry. One bullet hit an infantryman in the head and there is no soldier. And what's the point then to teach him, feed, equip, arm, deliver to the battlefield? For one second?
        One tank burned down in the first battle, and the other went through almost the entire war, one soldier died in the very first battle, and the other went through the entire war and returned home.
        1. +1
          17 August 2022 06: 00
          I do not in any way belittle your knowledge and pay tribute to your special education, but indeed they taught it - a tank for 5 minutes, an infantry fighting vehicle - 3 minutes. But this is just statistics, for calculating the costs of operations.
    2. -1
      18 August 2022 12: 21
      It depends on how to use if the infantry goes forward and the equipment is on support and once again the result is not substituted, the result will be much better than letting the equipment go forward.
    3. 0
      18 August 2022 16: 10
      Quote: maiman61
      that a tank lives in battle for 5 minutes and there is no point in tanks!

      If the enemy has a normal army, with helicopters and target designation, then the tank is easy prey. We just haven’t encountered a normal army yet. In this war, only 200 and more tanks were shot down with hand-held anti-tank systems.
  13. -5
    16 August 2022 20: 30
    Good news ! Very good news!
  14. +2
    16 August 2022 20: 31
    Quote: Sergio_7

    This should be done by default, and not presented as something "breakthrough"!

    Quote: Sergio_7
    The Ministry of Defense increased the state defense order for the T-90M main battle tanks,

    This should be done by default, and not presented as something "breakthrough"!

    What is the default? increase in government orders? And what is the breakthrough here?
  15. 0
    16 August 2022 20: 31
    Did someone in the RF Ministry of Defense call him "deep modernization of the T-34"?
    1. -1
      17 August 2022 09: 45
      There was such a "military commander" under Serdyukov. If their "reforms" had continued, the Ukronazis would have already held a parade in Moscow. Here they are on the Internet, with all their might, Serdyukov and his "reformers2" excuse.
      1. -1
        17 August 2022 12: 39
        I'm not vindictive. But I'm evil and have a good memory.
  16. ZoV
    -7
    16 August 2022 20: 35
    Send money to the military-industrial complex !!! Although it all should have started at least three years ago ..
    1. +7
      16 August 2022 20: 51
      20 trillion rubles were allocated for the rearmament of the army. Then, if my memory serves me, they reduced it to 16 trillion rubles. Plus, the debts of the military-industrial complex were written off in the amount of 700 billion rubles. It is rather a question not of the availability of money, but of the efficiency of use.
    2. 0
      17 August 2022 12: 41
      Quote from ZOV
      Send money to the military-industrial complex !!!

      That's half the job. You have to be able to turn money into a commodity, and a commodity into money is a stroke. And then the craftsmen divorced to make money, bypassing the stages of R&D and production.
  17. -7
    16 August 2022 20: 48
    It is necessary to modernize the T-90M tank so that Jevelin's turret does not fly off from the tank hull.
    1. 0
      16 August 2022 21: 12
      It is necessary to modernize the T-90M tank so that Jevelin's turret does not fly off from the tank hull.

      You can attach a trampoline to the tower so that the javelins bounce off. Rogozin should have it in stock. Yes
    2. -1
      16 August 2022 22: 02
      In the photo of the burnt T-90M, the tower is in place. This is me about the one that was allegedly shot down by Carl Gustav.
      1. -3
        16 August 2022 22: 32
        Out of place, she flew off the pagon.
    3. 0
      16 August 2022 23: 22
      The tower flies off when the ammunition detonates
      1. -2
        17 August 2022 06: 47
        There is a bq detonation and a propellant detonation. These 2 detonations are very different from each other.
        1. 0
          18 August 2022 15: 36
          Quote from: Denistutswoy
          There is a bk detonation and a propellant detonation.

          Throwing charges do not detonate. They are throwing, not blasting. Throwing charges deflagrate.
  18. -1
    16 August 2022 21: 14
    Quote from: Imperium_Aeterna
    Six months later, the SVO still began to understand that the old tanks were not very good. Well, ok, better late than never.

    If you SLIGHTLY think about it (if there is something), it turns out that making old tanks when there are more modern ones is stupid. Old ones CAN be used, but, well, if after modernization, which takes little time and at little cost. Use them on the sidelines
    1. +1
      16 August 2022 22: 05
      Look at the amount of modernization in Israel, and even there they know how to count money and save people.
      Each armored hull is a huge value.
  19. -3
    16 August 2022 21: 48
    and we will see kaz on our tanks in this life?
    1. -4
      16 August 2022 22: 09
      Maybe it's better to shoot down ATGMs with drones?
  20. -2
    16 August 2022 21: 55
    So why do crap again? When will Armata be released? At least send a company kit to Ukraine so that there is an understanding of what is more profitable to produce - one Armata, but according to the factory workers, it supposedly better protects the crew or 3 T 90, but of a classic design and more explosive. What will be better to hold on to the battlefield. And then they still can’t decide on this ((. It’s a pity
    1. +1
      16 August 2022 23: 26
      Why "crap" is objectively the best Russian production tank. Let them finally put them in the troops normally, and not 30 units each. And KAZ would not hurt.
  21. 0
    16 August 2022 22: 04
    Will "Armata" ever appear in more or less mass quantities? Or was it postponed "to the right", until better times?
    1. 0
      16 August 2022 23: 25
      They can’t decide in any way whether the bet on the gun turret is profitable. All the same, her protection is much weaker than that of an inhabited
  22. -1
    16 August 2022 22: 20
    will the tanks be with active protection or again as they are?
  23. +2
    16 August 2022 23: 06
    Well, at least they will switch from the production of breakthrough
    playgrounds and cribs to something more worthwhile.
    Moms complain - it's hard to get a child out of the tower.

    1. 0
      17 August 2022 09: 56
      And there are no other patents for the development of tanks specifically. Although, for the sake of curiosity, we looked at least in the patents of the Russian Federation. Without the implementation of innovations, we will be doomed to lag behind. If, for example, KAZ is expensive, look for a way to make it cheaper. If there is a worthwhile invention, do everything to implement it in military and military equipment. If an official interferes with the introduction of a new one, he should be dismissed immediately. And we will buy the whole concept from us or copy it when they create it abroad. And this is a very big problem in Russia.
      1. 0
        17 August 2022 18: 22
        Am I against technology development?
        With two hands for.
        But what I described - does not climb into any gate,
        although, of course, it will fall into the basket of patents.
        In general, it's time for UVZ to "replace imports"
        Siemens "Swallows".
  24. 0
    16 August 2022 23: 23
    Well, the main thing is to have more than 30 units.
  25. -2
    17 August 2022 00: 11
    Quote: Eroma
    The contract is already there, the work has not been done yet. We are waiting

    There is no engine and transmission for Almaty and will not be, the end of the film ...
  26. -1
    17 August 2022 06: 04
    More announcements...
  27. +1
    17 August 2022 06: 52
    the state defense order was adjusted taking into account the experience of the combat use of equipment in the framework of a special military operation in Ukraine, capabilities of the Russian defense industry and economic situation in the country

    By this they say that "Armata", as usual in our country, is doomed to be tested for decades. Most importantly, at the Parade in 2015 they were effectively shown.
  28. -2
    17 August 2022 06: 56
    Quote from hell machine
    1) For starters, it is necessary now to make a plant that would modernize Soviet equipment, and a plant at least 300-400 km from the border. So that they don’t get it, well, it’s not far to go after modernization. in a suitable technical form.
    BMP, BTR, MTLB, by the way, you can stop using it altogether (give it to LDNR).
    You can try to farm a module for drones with aliexpress. Tipo put a flask on the armored personnel carrier tower, from which the UAV launches and conducts reconnaissance.
    It's like a dream

    I agree.
    I would add that a comprehensive approach is needed. And the modernization of old equipment, and repair, and the conversion of old tanks for heavy infantry fighting vehicles. And the creation of unmanned tankettes.
  29. -3
    17 August 2022 08: 23
    It was necessary to wait half a year for the war in order to remember that new tanks needed to be ordered, the same with drones, everyone howls that they are not there, and the state simply did not order their industry! But the production cycle is from 3 to 6 months! They also probably forgot about the shells for them!
  30. -3
    17 August 2022 09: 39
    There will be no T-14, curtain?
    1. 0
      17 August 2022 09: 56
      There will be no T-14, curtain?

      Will not. The appearance of the T-90M was facilitated by the use of new observation and aiming devices for which the T-90 turret was not suitable due to its small size; a large welded turret had to be made. In the "Armata", all those devices that the T-90M has are hidden under the armor, of course, except for the warheads, which are also quite bulky, the Armata is covered not with normal armor, but with a 5mm anti-fragmentation casing, which does not hold either active armor or KAZ. Mustache .. arrived.
      1. -1
        17 August 2022 10: 00
        And when they developed it, they couldn’t think of such a thing even in a nightmare, but they say we have a tank design school that has been preserved and exists. Sur. request
        1. -1
          17 August 2022 10: 07
          And when they developed it, they couldn’t even think of such a thing in a nightmare, but they say we have a tank design school preserved

          There was no succession, unfortunately.
      2. -1
        17 August 2022 12: 10
        So for Almaty they will make a new tower with armor and the possibility of installing dynamic protection
        1. -1
          17 August 2022 13: 30
          So for Almaty they will make a new tower with armor and the possibility of installing dynamic protection

          Dismantling something? This one, for the T-90M, is difficult to master, the seams are cracking. All the world's tank builders are faced with the problem of minimizing the head parts of the devices. They are too vulnerable to small arms.
  31. +3
    17 August 2022 11: 07
    But in the working mode, this could not be done, the SVO is going on, and we are arranging pompous agreements and holidays for ourselves, okay, a show for the banana republics ... It seems that Uralvagonzavod could not sign a contract with the RF Armed Forces ... where would it go . It is necessary to remove the window dressing, at least for a while, and there is a war going on to do serious work. "Everything for the front, everything for victory" !!!
  32. 0
    17 August 2022 12: 26
    Good topic, all T-72 hulls in storage in BMPT-72 should be converted and all T-90s should be upgraded in Proryv-3, and you can fight!
  33. 0
    17 August 2022 16: 35
    Question to experts:
    Is it possible and planned to modify the T90 / T90A (~ 550 pieces) to the level of T90M (~ 100 pieces)?
  34. 0
    17 August 2022 18: 41
    So. It's clear. We decided that it would be faster. Maybe it makes sense, actually. Yes, I just don’t believe in the “safety” of storing ammunition in a tower niche behind dead partitions. But that the area of ​​​​destruction of the RPG-ATGM will increase due to this niche both from the side and from above - do not go to the headstock. So it’s not yet a fact that the T-90M is directly so much better than the T-90A.
  35. 0
    17 August 2022 19: 55
    Quote: tank64rus
    T. Stalin would say to this: "Comrades believe that equipping KAZ tanks is expensive. Put them there and into battle, and then we'll see if KAZ becomes cheaper."

    Of course, I don’t know how Stalin would answer, but many tankers would definitely be grateful that they had more protection. And it was not in vain that I said about KAZ, they are not even advertised in the pond in the Donbass.
  36. 0
    18 August 2022 08: 19
    The American lobby has gone. Like a carbon copy. The military-industrial complex rules. Without a hint, I myself work in the military-industrial complex, but I find out in the news.
  37. 0
    18 August 2022 17: 16
    Can you keep secrets? Of course I can. Galya, why did you tell everyone in the village that I was getting married? God save Katya, I didn’t tell anyone anything, I just asked if they knew.
  38. -1
    18 August 2022 19: 50
    The Ministry of Defense increased the state defense order for the T-90M main battle tanks,

    Before the start of the special operation, the Russian army had about three thousand tanks, of which there were about 90 T-500s of various modifications, most of the T-90s were received back in the early 90s from the dying Soviet military-industrial complex.
    The special operation in Ukraine showed a catastrophic shortage of ground units in the RF Armed Forces.
    Even according to the most modest estimates, ground forces should increase from 300
    up to 500-550 thousand people.
    Accordingly, the number of tanks in the new ground forces should grow to about 5 units.
    To provide at least 50% of the new armored vehicles, the troops must receive 1,5-2 thousand new and modernized T-90Ms.
    On the site, the Ministry of Defense would long ago have forced UVZ to develop several projects of heavy infantry fighting vehicles on the T-90 platform and purchase them in battalion sets along with the T-M90 to form shock tank brigades.
    Surely the TBMP-90 will be several times cheaper than the T-15 Barberry.
    The landing module of a heavy infantry fighting vehicle should accommodate an assault infantry squad of 12-15 people with standard weapons.
    On the combat module TBMP-90, a 120 mm mortar gun (of the Vienna type) paired 30 mm 2A72, remotely controlled by the Kornet/Ataka ATGM launcher, should be installed.
    On the roof of the landing module, it is desirable to provide 3-4 hatches for landing and attachment points for machine guns, AGS to ensure all-round fire and the destruction of tank-dangerous forces.