Chilean reforms at gunpoint and their consequences

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Chilean reforms at gunpoint and their consequences

Today we will talk about the reforms that were carried out in Chile according to the recipes of Milton Friedman and at gunpoint, and their consequences, as well as the armed struggle of the left parties.

Reforms at gunpoint



US Secretary of State Kissinger and Pinochet, 1976

Against the backdrop of large-scale and brutal repression in Chile, economic reforms were launched according to the liberal recipes of the American professor Milton Friedman. His followers are often referred to as the "Chicago Boys". In many countries of the world, the implementation of Friedman's ideas invariably led to catastrophic impoverishment of the population and a sharp stratification of society into "oligarchs" and barely making ends meet "hard workers". Chile is no exception. Friedman personally supervised the implementation of reforms in Chile and visited this country several times.




Milton Friedman. Hundreds of millions of people around the world experienced the destructive power of his ultra-liberal ideas.

In addition to Friedman, the Chilean government was advised by another professor at the University of Chicago, Arnold Harberger. Their students, according to The Wall Street Journal, from the very beginning of the coup "were impatient, waiting to be unleashed" and given the opportunity to conduct a cruel experiment with the Chilean economy.

The Fake Economic Miracle of the Pinochet Junta


The Chilean government completely abandoned all forms of state regulation of the economy, and the principle of unlimited free trade was proclaimed. Almost all state property was privatized, the pension system became not "solidary", but accumulative. Salaries were cut, jobs were cut in the public sector, educational and medical institutions lost state funding.

Trade unions were then banned, workers and employees had practically no rights left, which made the labor force extremely cheap and attractive to foreign investors. The middle class has practically disappeared, leaving a rapidly growing wealthy elite and a population teetering on the brink of poverty and destitution. 97% of the country's industrial enterprises then ended up in the hands of 11 oligarchs. Radomiro Tomic, one of the three leaders in the 1970 presidential election (Christian Democratic Party), gave this assessment of the reforms of the Pinochet government:

"The market began to determine the price in Chile of all goods, with the exception of labor, the price of which was determined by the machine gun."

And what was the result?

In the first 6 months of the junta's rule, the purchasing power of the population fell by 60%, and the national currency was devalued by more than 2 times. Then it only got worse. Measures were taken to create the illusion of well-being, as foreign journalists talked about. This was achieved by banning the sale of meat in 19 out of 25 provinces, where 80% of the country's population lived. In 1974, the cost of living in Chile increased by 375%, the price of bread increased 22 times, sugar 29 times, soap 69 times. The share of wages in national income fell from 60% to 35%.

People became so impoverished that they could no longer pay their rent, and from comfortable apartments in houses built for workers under President Allende, they began to move to shacks on the outskirts. By 1982, 5,5 million people had moved into the slums.

In 1974, the national currency devalued 28 times. It got really bad in 1975, when the “Chicago boys” decided to try “shock therapy” to “treat” the Chilean economy, which was well known to Russians in the early 1990s. The result exceeded all expectations: Chile's GNP for the year decreased by 19% (according to the IMF - by 26%), industrial production fell by 25%, construction work - by more than 50%.

The use of fertilizers by peasant farms has decreased by 40%. The total value of exports fell by 28%, the value of imports by 18%. Even oil production fell by 11%. But consumer prices for 1975 increased by an average of 375%, wholesale - by 440%, the cost of living increased by more than three times, and unemployment was 20%. In Chile, then bitterly joked: they say, in order to eradicate poverty in the country, Pinochet decided to kill all the poor.

In 1976, Argentina stepped on the same Friedman rake, where another "savior of the fatherland" came to power - General Jorge Videla. In the first year, industrial production in this country decreased by 40%.

And in the early 1990s, a truly terrible experiment on Fridman's recipes was carried out on Russians by the "bad boy" Yegor Gaidar and his untalented team. Under them, industrial production decreased by 25% (during the Great Patriotic War - by 21%, during the Civil War - by 23%), salaries to public sector employees and pensions for disabled citizens were paid with a delay of several months, the birth rate dropped sharply, and the country literally collapsed into a demographic pit, from which it still cannot get out.

It is curious that, unlike Chubais and his gop company, Pinochet left the most profitable mining enterprises in state ownership. Many believe that this is precisely why the Americans later became concerned about the violation of human rights in Chile.

Let us continue to consider the socio-economic situation in Chile after the shock therapy. In 1976, the average life expectancy in this country compared with 1973 decreased by 2 years, and 34% of school-age children did not go to school.

By October 1975, the escudo had depreciated so much that it was decided to replace it with the peso, pegging the new currency to the dollar, setting the exchange rate one to one.

What do you think happened next? In January 1977, the dollar was worth 18,48 pesos, in January 1978 - 27,47, in January 1980 - 39, in June 1982 - 46. In 1980, the unemployment rate in the country was 25%. It all ended with a large-scale crisis in 1982, when the decline in production reached 20%, more than 800 industrial enterprises went bankrupt, and GDP fell by 14%. For the first time since Allende, GDP growth in Chile was recorded in 1984 and amounted to 3,8%. And the average annual "growth" of the Chilean economy in 1974-1989. was minus (minus!) 3,9%. In 1989, 22,6% of Chile's population lived below the poverty line, and per capita consumption was lower than in 1969.

During the reign of Pinochet, external debt increased from 4 billion to 27 billion dollars, infant mortality during this period increased by 8,2%, life expectancy decreased by a year and 4 months, the number of students compared to 1973 decreased by 40%. Even the liberal Russian economist Konstantin Sonin, who is now a professor at the same University of Chicago, admitted through gritted teeth that

“The pace of growth in the 17 years of Pinochet's rule was not impressive. Both in the 1960s, before him, and in the 1990s, after him, they were higher.”

Starting in 1983, despite the ongoing repression, mass anti-government rallies began in large cities of Chile, the number of participants in which reached tens of thousands of people. Can all this be called an "economic miracle" and set as an example to other countries?

Armed struggle against the Pinochet regime


We have already said that the Directorate of National Intelligence (DINA) was created in Chile to hunt for dissidents. Moreover, its employees acted not only on the territory of their country, but also abroad. In 1974, for example, in Argentina, the former commander-in-chief of the armed forces of Chile and Minister of Defense Carlos Prats and his wife were killed. And in 1976, in Washington, DINA agents killed Orlando Letelier, the former minister of foreign and internal affairs in the Allende government.

The Chileans themselves recognize themselves as the "coldest" among the "hot" Latin Americans, linking this to the long-term rule of the Pinochet junta. However, other reasons are also mentioned: the isolation of the country, literally pressed against the Pacific coast of the Andes, and a rather cool climate in most of its territory. According to a common version, even the name "Chile" comes from the word ch'iwi - "cold" or "winter": this is how the Incas and Arawaks called this territory. However, despite the relative "coldness" of the Chileans, Pinochet and his associates, among other things, managed to create in Chile something that had never happened in this state - a mass insurrectionary movement with the formation of not small terrorist groups, but full-fledged partisan detachments.

Despite brutal repressions, the rebels of the Left Revolutionary Movement (MIR) became more active in Chile, which seemed to be completely defeated in September 1973: 92% of the members of this organization were then killed or arrested. Very soon, these dashing guys came to their senses and already in 1975 launched a guerrilla war, organizing 6 bases on the border territory of Argentina - in the Andes. That year they carried out 132 operations - expropriations, attacks on warehouses and barracks, executions of DINA political police officers and informants.

And in the first half of 1976 - already 202 military operations, during which they released 38 of their comrades, expropriated more than 6 million escudos, disabled 16 aircraft and helicopters, attacked barracks, carabinieri posts, police stations and DINA 29 times. But in Argentina, in March 1976, there was a military coup, after which, in June, airstrikes were carried out on the bases of the Chilean partisans, from which 800 to 1 fighters died. The number of military actions was reduced to a few dozen a year. The number of operations increased again after the fall of the military dictatorship in Argentina in October 200.

In the early 80s, armed detachments of the communist "Patriotic Front of Manuel Rodriguez" (FPMR) and the left-wing Christian "Movement of United People's Action" (MAPU, Movimiento Juvenil Lautaro) appeared.

It was the FPMR rebels who organized the assassination attempt on Augusto Pinochet on September 7, 1986, during which 5 of his bodyguards were killed, but the dictator himself was only slightly injured. The rebels were let down by a grenade launcher, which at first misfired, and the second grenade pierced the windshield of the dictator's car, but did not explode.


Raul Alejandro Pellegrin (Comandante José Miguel), founder and leader of the FPMR

And in 1987, armed detachments of the Socialist Party appeared.


Street protests in Santiago, 1984

In 1988, 40 attacks on American companies were recorded. It is believed that precisely because of the pressure of their owners on the US government, the authorities of this country then refused to support Pinochet after his defeat in the plebiscite organized by him.

For the people of Chile, the economic results of Pinochet's rule were disappointing. Until the early 1990s, 40% of Chileans were below the poverty line, and the middle class began to recover only in the second half of the 90s. And now, without a dictatorship, the financial situation of the Chileans has leveled off, and there is no longer such a sharp division into rich and poor. Despite the fact that Pinochet's methods unexpectedly found many admirers in other countries, many Chileans insist that they have achieved their current fairly high standard of living, "despite many years of Pinochet's rule."

Indeed, this country has achieved the greatest success in the economy over the past 30 years. However, about 10% of Chileans still live below the poverty line. The mass protests in Chile, accompanied by numerous pogroms, that began in the fall of 2019, showed that the heavy legacy of Friedman's ultra-liberal reforms has not yet been overcome. The reason may seem insignificant - an increase in the price of travel in the metropolitan subway by 30 pesos - about 2,5 rubles. However, this money was not superfluous for many Chileans from poor neighborhoods.


Santiago, 25 October 2019


Burnt bus in Santiago, autumn 2019


Valparaiso, Fall 2019

It became clear to many that Chile had not yet been able to overcome the heavy legacy of ultra-liberal reforms according to Friedman's recipes.

The final article will talk about the attempts to liberalize the junta regime and the 1988 plebiscite, about the war that almost started between Chile and Argentina, the criminal prosecution of Pinochet and his associates, as well as about Russian liberals - fans of the Chilean dictator.
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  1. 0
    16 August 2022 04: 57
    Under Pinochet, the Chileans never lived so well. laughing
    1. 0
      16 August 2022 08: 25
      Lesh, welcome. So you have to try., Bitter irony
  2. +8
    16 August 2022 05: 14
    Good morning friends! smile

    We continue to discuss the Chilean topic:
    Reforms at gunpoint

    I immediately remembered Sholokhov and his "Virgin Soil Upturned":

    Nagulnov ............. pulling out a revolver from his pocket
    - Write, get out of your soul!
    “I’ll write whatever you like from under the revolver…” Bannik muttered hoarsely, sitting down on a stool, exhausted.


    1. +4
      16 August 2022 06: 09
      Reforms at gunpoint
      And what is wrong? The Americans came, the Chileans began to carry out "reforms", they healed better .. like never beforelaughing thank you American friends. laughing
      1. +1
        16 August 2022 06: 35
        So what? What was wrong with Makar? wassat
        1. +2
          16 August 2022 06: 59
          At school, he even argued about this episode with a literature teacher. Good teacher. Dmitrienko Galina Grigorievna
        2. +1
          16 August 2022 17: 38
          So what? What was wrong with Makar?
          A weed plant in the garden, a distant relative in a distant city. Nagulnov and Pinochet are two parallel lines? So why don't they overlap then? smile
          1. -2
            16 August 2022 18: 24
            So why don't they overlap then?


            Do they need it? belay
            1. +1
              16 August 2022 18: 32
              You can see it better... laughing
              1. -1
                16 August 2022 18: 46
                Well, it's natural. smile
                1. +1
                  16 August 2022 18: 56
                  Well, it's natural
                  When fifteen naked women frolic by the pond.
                  1. +1
                    16 August 2022 19: 18
                    You can't forbid dreaming - keep dreaming, maybe it will come true. Yes
      2. +1
        24 August 2022 14: 00
        Chile has not yet managed to overcome the heavy legacy of ultra-liberal reforms according to Friedman's recipes.

        You might think that we have overcome the legacy of Eltsin ....
    2. +4
      16 August 2022 06: 55
      I immediately remembered. The eternal question is what is acceptable to achieve the result.
      1. +4
        16 August 2022 07: 01
        what is acceptable to achieve the result.


        Probably everything when the end justifies the means.

        Hello, Sergey! smile
        1. +4
          16 August 2022 07: 12
          Hi Constantine!

          At school, he was also more categorical.

          Now Zhukov's dialogue with Gotsman emerges from "Liquidation".

          “Did you press? Happened? Here "(c).
          1. +3
            16 August 2022 07: 14
            I don't remember this movie at all.
            1. +3
              16 August 2022 07: 21
              You said you watched it relatively recently, didn't you?
              1. +5
                16 August 2022 07: 36
                Relatively recently I watched "Proceed to Liquidation". Yes, now I looked on the net and remembered Mashkov in the role of Gotsman, the film is not bad, but with the German "super agent" stretch. But the actors are very good, Menshov was especially pleasantly surprised in the role of Zhukov. smile
                1. +5
                  16 August 2022 07: 38
                  I agree. He was even more invulnerable than Stirlitz.
                  1. +4
                    16 August 2022 07: 46
                    He was even more invulnerable than Stirlitz.


                    1. +4
                      16 August 2022 07: 54
                      We would all be rude.
                      But on the other hand, there is nothing to confuse cinema with reality.
                      1. +2
                        16 August 2022 08: 13
                        And there is nothing to confuse cinema with reality.


                        Of course. smile

        2. +2
          16 August 2022 09: 53
          Quote: Sea Cat
          what is acceptable to achieve the result.


          Probably everything when the end justifies the means.

          Hello, Sergey! smile

          Still to know that this result will come
    3. +3
      16 August 2022 07: 07
      This applies to all times and social formations. Yes, and Nagulnov is right.
      1. +2
        16 August 2022 07: 15
        What are we talking about.
      2. 0
        17 August 2022 07: 12
        Quote: dmi.pris
        This applies to all times and social formations. Yes, and Nagulnov is right.

        And the IVS believed that wrong Nagulnov....
        Here's what is amazing ...
    4. +14
      16 August 2022 08: 48
      Constantine
      good morning!
      An important factor that constantly eludes logical constructions.
      First, reforms (economic, etc.) are always carried out at the expense of someone or some group or class.
      Second, reforms always have a purpose.
      Reforms under Pinochet were carried out at the expense of the socially poor classes, and who got into the furnace of history there, all the same.
      The Nagulny reforms were done in the name of the majority and at the expense of the expropriation of the minority (the Kushchevites-kulaks, the frost-killers of children) ... which in 1941-1945 this majority clearly confirmed.
      Purpose: the reforms of the “foraging”, it was they, that led to the fact that from a backward country with 75-80% of the illiterate population on the eve of the revolution, the USSR was the first to go into space, provided a decent and peaceful life for the population living in village shacks (here the master will come ... look at a shack) in cities (51% of the urban population at the end of the 50s) in 60,70,80 years.
      Purpose: the Americans made with their reforms, under the fascist terror of Pinochet, a decent semi-colony, where citizens do not really twitch, but give "ember" to the American homeland.
      Chile has become the same raw material appendage of the United States, but with a more or less prosperous population among the countries of Latin America, where there are only bananas and coca, and this does not work.
      hi
      1. +2
        16 August 2022 09: 16
        Hi Edward! smile

        I don’t even compare, I just remembered the “kind word and revolver” in relation to our history.
        1. +6
          16 August 2022 09: 49
          I don't argue either. good
          Expressed an opinion.
          But the revolver helps, helps, alas.
          1. +4
            16 August 2022 10: 05
            Yes, a revolver is like a dagger, like any weapon.

          2. +5
            16 August 2022 10: 05
            Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
            But the revolver helps, helps, alas.

            With a kind word and a revolver .....
            Greetings Edward! hi
            1. +5
              16 August 2022 11: 05
              Hello, Sergey!
              Long time no hear!
              1. +3
                16 August 2022 11: 53
                Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
                Long time no hear!

                Yes, somehow everything did not happen, then on vacation, then at the dacha ... hi
                1. +3
                  16 August 2022 13: 51
                  in the country...

                  You, Sergey, are getting closer to nature, to nature, and the products are all natural, one might even say "natural products"... winked with a delicious scent of anise... wink drinks
                  1. +3
                    16 August 2022 16: 48
                    I am for the product with the smell of apples!
                    And the supplier did not fall at all!
                    1. +2
                      16 August 2022 17: 19
                      And the supplier did not fall at all!

                      I'll ask - Sergey is not a supplier, Sergey is a freelance artist. stop Creative person! fellow Either he will add apples, then he will pour in anise. Salvador Dali, just without a mustache, and with a healthy mind! good You have to learn how to do... what
      2. Kim
        0
        22 August 2022 08: 15
        those. cannibalism in the Kuban and beyond - justified?
  3. +4
    16 August 2022 06: 29
    Chile GDP by years
    Year billion$ per carcass
    1970 9.3 971
    1971 11 1128
    1972 12 1209
    1973 17 1684
    1974 17 1657
    1975 7.7 739
    1976 11 1040
    1977 14 1306
    1978 16 1472
    1979 22 1997
    1980 29 2594
    1981 35 3084
    1982 25 2169
    1983 21 1793
    1984 21 1764
    1985 18 1487
    1986 20 1625
    1987 23 1837
    1988 27 2120
    1989 30 2316
    1990 34 2578
    1991 38 2830
    1992 46 3363
    1993 49 3518
    1994 56 3951
    1995 72 4997
    1996 76 5194
    1997 83 5593
    1998 79 5253
    1999 73 4793
    2000 75 4864
    2001 69 4422
    2002 67 4245
    2003 74 4637
    2004 96 5951
    2005 118 7238
    2006 147 8926
    2007 164 9860
    -----
    What do we see?
    The sharp drop in GDP in 1975
    GDP growth in 1979
    Double growth in 1981 (compared to 73rd)
    Crisis from 1982 to 1985
    Stable growth from 1986 to 1997, etc.
    Reference:
    http://5rik.ru/na5/gdp_chile-145.php
    State of Chile for 2020:
    43rd place in the HDI (52nd in Russia), average life expectancy is 80 years, Gross national income per capita is $ 15000 (we have 11300)
    Who knows what would have happened there without Pinochet - Cuba or Sweden (I think Cuba), without Friedman, etc., but judging by the rate of economic growth, you cannot call a backward country
    1. +4
      16 August 2022 06: 38
      Hi Albert! smile
      The figure, it is such a thing, you can’t argue with it, although ...

      "Teacher - Gogi, how many times have I told you that 2x2 will be four, maybe five, or six, but certainly not twelve" (c) laughing
      1. +3
        16 August 2022 06: 49
        Greetings, Constantine! hi
        Chileans, in general, have been living better than us since the late 80s - either the Union or Russia
        Math lesson:
        Mashenka, what do dad and mom work for?
        - A doctor and a teacher.
        - How much does anyone earn?
        Dad 150 rubles a month, mom 120
        - What is the family income?
        - 270
        - Sit down Masha, 5
        - Petya, what do your parents do and how much do they earn?
        Dad is a factory director, mom is a chief engineer of a construction plant, salaries are 480 and 320
        - Family income?
        - 800
        - Sit down Petya, 5
        - Izya, tell me what you have
        - Dad is the head of a vegetable warehouse, mom does not work, salary is 80 rubles a month
        - Family income
        - Uh, 1200-1300
        - Sit down, 2
        - Why not?
        - Izya, you don't know math
        - Marya Ivanovna, it's you who don't know my dad.
        1. +8
          16 August 2022 06: 58
          Teacher:
          - Givi, what does your dad do?
          - Head of a vegetable warehouse.
          - And who is your father, Gogia?
          - Market director.
          - And who is your dad, Ivan?
          - The chief engineer of the plant.
          A friendly burst of laughter from the whole class.
          -- Children! It's not good to laugh! The child has a misfortune in the family.
        2. +5
          16 August 2022 10: 00
          Quote: Krasnodar
          Greetings, Constantine! hi
          Chileans, in general, have been living better than us since the late 80s - either the Union or Russia
          Math lesson:
          Mashenka, what do dad and mom work for?
          - A doctor and a teacher.
          - How much does anyone earn?
          Dad 150 rubles a month, mom 120
          - What is the family income?
          - 270
          - Sit down Masha, 5
          - Petya, what do your parents do and how much do they earn?
          Dad is a factory director, mom is a chief engineer of a construction plant, salaries are 480 and 320
          - Family income?
          - 800
          - Sit down Petya, 5
          - Izya, tell me what you have
          - Dad is the head of a vegetable warehouse, mom does not work, salary is 80 rubles a month
          - Family income
          - Uh, 1200-1300
          - Sit down, 2
          - Why not?
          - Izya, you don't know math
          - Marya Ivanovna, it's you who don't know my dad.

          Interestingly, on the basis of what they live better? If on the basis of GDP, then we still need to see where this GDP goes, in whose pocket.
          1. +1
            16 August 2022 10: 56
            Look at life expectancy. We have about 75, they have 80. Look at the pensions. Etc.
      2. +5
        16 August 2022 06: 57
        And why every year such jokes become more alive?
        1. +5
          16 August 2022 07: 02
          And really, why would it? wink
        2. +6
          16 August 2022 07: 06
          Quote from Korsar4
          And why every year such jokes become more alive?

          They are still Soviet
          And now the traditional Russian fun is taking place - the economic structure of the country is being reshaped anew. ))
          1. +6
            16 August 2022 07: 14
            I remember. Again, a new facet of the "era of change."
            1. +5
              16 August 2022 07: 17
              Quote from Korsar4
              I remember. Again, a new facet of the "era of change."

              How does the bomber who fled meanly sing there?
              A New Twist
              And the motor roars.. laughing
              1. +6
                16 August 2022 07: 20
                Yeah. The first time I heard it in a pioneer camp. Now this time is sometimes called stability.
                1. +6
                  16 August 2022 07: 30
                  Quote from Korsar4
                  Now this time is sometimes called stability.

                  Stagnation
                  But this is not our way laughing
                  1. +5
                    16 August 2022 07: 40
                    Our path is steppe,
                    our path is in boundless longing,
                    In your anguish, O Russia!
                2. +4
                  16 August 2022 11: 54
                  Quote from Korsar4
                  The first time I heard it in a pioneer camp
                  Accidentally not near Moscow Flame?
                  1. +2
                    16 August 2022 15: 15
                    No. Also Moscow region. But the Christmas trees.

                    I believe that at that time a similar repertoire was played in all the camps.
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    2. +8
      16 August 2022 07: 18
      The list of GDP by years would look more correct if we cite the devaluation of the purchasing power of the dollar for the same 37 years side by side.
      Hi Albert!
      1. +5
        16 August 2022 07: 33
        Hello Anton!
        Can be PPP (purchasing power parity)
        https://svspb.net/danmark/vvp.php?l=chili
        Catch
        1. +5
          16 August 2022 07: 39
          Yes. Thank you!
          1. +4
            16 August 2022 07: 40
            So this is what you asked for
            1. +4
              16 August 2022 07: 47
              I looked, "sandwich index" looks clearer.
              1. +3
                16 August 2022 07: 55
                Hamburger index - nothing
                Doesn't take into account a lot of factors.
                1. +14
                  16 August 2022 08: 29
                  Good morning everyone!
                  GDP is a tricky thing, its different parameters are informative somewhere, somewhere not.
                  For example, the share of a country's GDP in world GDP is very informative and quite objective.
                  But per capita, the figure is twofold.
                  For Chile, open sources, current GDP per capita, $15941,
                  6,9% unemployment,
                  11% below the poverty line.
                  With a population of 19 people, this means that the unemployed are 567 million, below the line, 000 people.
                  For comparison, in the Russian Federation, below the line of 16,1 million, all the same 11%, and unemployment today is 4 million, or 2,7%.
                  What does this mean?
                  The fact that Chile is the same oligarchic country with a resource-based economy, like the Russian Federation, with the concentration of wealth in the oligarchy
                  1. +4
                    16 August 2022 08: 38
                    Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
                    The fact that Chile is the same oligarchic country with a resource-based economy, like the Russian Federation, with the concentration of wealth in the oligarchy

                    Probably
                    But they live a little better anyway
                    1. +7
                      16 August 2022 09: 08
                      But they live a little better anyway

                      I won’t argue with you here, I haven’t been to Chile)
                      But here, too, the important question is how is the national product distributed?
                      if it is distributed "more correctly" from the point of view of ordinary citizens, then it is probably better.
                      I know for sure that the Chilean Antarctic stations are equipped with the latest technology and equipped with the necessary modern technology, and ours, greetings from the USSR, with the same equipment (tractors) 30-35 years ago.
                      1. +3
                        16 August 2022 09: 18
                        It is necessary to look on the Internet the size of pensions and the availability of quality medical services to the general population. Judging by life expectancy (80,2 years) - everything is ok with this
                      2. +6
                        16 August 2022 09: 58
                        It is necessary to look on the Internet the size of pensions and the availability of quality medical services to the general population

                        By no means do I argue good
                        I will say abstractly, the question of pensions is not a question of the economy, where it exists, and accounting calculations, but a question of the distribution of finances.
                        Very rudely, how is the budget built in our country, all the sisters in the earrings, in terms of execution? Also. For example. and the payment of pensions (yes, yes, this is the Pension Fund, not the state) and the Jam Festival in Moscow and the laying of super-tiles and new asphalt, which I now observe from the window, are equivalent actions.
                        If we put in the first place, and this is a question of the distribution of resources, the payment of adequate pensions, then there would be no questions. Shift the asphalt from what is left, so by the way in the "hated" "geyropa".
                        But ... in modern conditions, this is from the realm of fantasy, and it is clear why.
                      3. +2
                        16 August 2022 10: 43
                        Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
                        But ... in modern conditions, this is from the realm of fantasy, and it is clear why.

                        mentality-s hi
                      4. 0
                        23 August 2022 22: 53
                        Why don't you compare the investments of Chile and Russia in the Arctic? laughing
                      5. 0
                        24 August 2022 11: 04
                        If you have such data, please let me know.
                        hi
                      6. 0
                        26 August 2022 09: 50
                        There are many data. And just by eye - how much does the NSR cost and how much did Chile spend on one polar station? One polar station is the price of only felling one nuclear icebreaker ...
    3. +10
      16 August 2022 08: 03
      Did this manna from heaven "fell" on every "carcass" of the population?
      Or is it "the average salary in the plant"?
      And we like to tryndet - the average salary is about 50 rubles ... throughout the country.
      1. +1
        16 August 2022 08: 11
        It is clear that not for every
        But, the more money in the country, the more the janitor earns Yes
        1. +3
          16 August 2022 08: 13
          Quote: Krasnodar
          the more money in the country, the more the janitor earns

          Greetings hi

          Not quite the right example, reminded the unforgettable:

          I run into the buffet, not a penny of money,
          Exchange ten million!!!

          And it's not about the 90s laughing
          1. +2
            16 August 2022 08: 23
            Greetings! hi
            Let's put it this way - if there are big money in the country, even concentrated in the hands of a dozen oligarchs, automatically there are more jobs, competition increases, the qualifications of the worker begin to aim, respectively, salaries grow, etc.
            1. +3
              16 August 2022 08: 50
              Quote: Krasnodar
              Let's just say - if there are big money in the country

              Damn! Backed by goods grandmas!!! laughing tongue

              And we can’t get 5000 loaves of bread stop
              1. +2
                16 August 2022 08: 53
                Definitely not printed
                1. +2
                  16 August 2022 09: 06
                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  Definitely not printed

                  Finally! Glory to Labor!! drinks laughing
                  1. +1
                    16 August 2022 09: 14
                    As part of Russia, brother, as part of Russia drinks))
        2. +9
          16 August 2022 08: 16
          Or director! tongue
          At the cement plant, 6 electricians used to work.
          Now 2 electromechanics.
          But they obviously do not get paid for six!
          "In order for a cow to eat less and give more milk, it must be fed less and milked more."
          1. +2
            16 August 2022 08: 26
            Quote: hohol95
            But they obviously do not get paid for six!

            Not for six, but for three, which is one and a half times more than before hi
            Quote: hohol95
            In order for a cow to eat less and give more milk, it needs to be fed less and milked more.

            When the rich are satiated, they want sophistication and then this principle stops working))
            1. +6
              16 August 2022 08: 39
              Perhaps some of the "cows" will become better fed and less "milked". But only a small part!!!
              When earning 3 sawn into two, do the work for six ...
              1. +1
                16 August 2022 08: 42
                It happens all over the world
                But - due to the automation of production
                1. +5
                  16 August 2022 08: 47
                  An automated electromechanic for lifting mechanisms has not been created ...
                  As well as robots for equipment repair.
                  1. 0
                    16 August 2022 08: 53
                    No, well, everywhere and always there are exceptions.
                    The question is what quality of products and what labor productivity is received by a person who has reduced the number of workers by three times.
                    1. +5
                      16 August 2022 09: 05
                      It is even better if workers of one specialty are required to additionally do work that does not correspond to their profile and knowledge.
                      And sometimes this is not loading and unloading or painting the curb, but the release of people stuck in the elevator.
                      And the janitor can take more territory for cleaning - he will get more.
                      And the director will simply increase his salary or write out a bonus without increasing his physical strength (the main thing is to strain your head, then how to justify this bonus or salary increase during checks).
                      1. 0
                        16 August 2022 09: 15
                        No, well, if so, then more humanly
                      2. +3
                        16 August 2022 10: 02
                        What is human?
                        Director salary bonus?
                        Or an increase in the workload per worker?
                      3. 0
                        16 August 2022 10: 38
                        Janitor's allowance for a larger plot))
                        As for the director, I knew from childhood that the world is not the friendliest place, and life is not the easiest thing, and that no one owes me anything, except myself, of course laughing Navartos director - well done. They will fire him when he falls under a hot hand - no luck request
        3. +6
          16 August 2022 09: 10
          the more money in the country, the more the janitor earns

          the more the director of the REU or ZhEK receives
          1. +1
            16 August 2022 09: 15
            The janitor also falls hi
            1. +3
              16 August 2022 10: 04
              The janitor can only get more garbage and other waste from a person and his pets. hi
              1. +1
                16 August 2022 10: 39
                Quote: hohol95
                The janitor can only get more garbage and other waste from a person and his pets.

                Unlucky - poorly studied at school
                1. +2
                  16 August 2022 10: 50
                  Met janitors with higher education!
                  And the director of the "broke" from the drivers of the former directors.
                  1. +2
                    16 August 2022 10: 54
                    Poorly adapted to circumstances
                    1. +1
                      16 August 2022 11: 00
                      Especially after fleeing from one of the Central Asian republics...
                      And the lack of work on the profile at the new place of residence!
                      It was necessary to go not to the janitors, but to the "gangsters"?
                      Leave your "crafty" theses to the guys from the "White Izba" and the Higher School of Economics ...
                      1. +3
                        16 August 2022 11: 08
                        lol
                        As an emigrant in Israel, for 15 years I worked part-time at a construction site and as an assistant to a plumber, my mother with a higher education, until I learned the language and took qualification courses, washed entrances and apartments, my father worked as a laborer Yes
                        Then we slowly got out of the shit without any gangsters, incl. changing his place of residence when there was no profile work for him.
                        And we were in Israel, de facto, refugees from Moldova. hi
                      2. +1
                        16 August 2022 11: 20
                        When did you get to the "Promised Land"?
                        And did your family travel a lot around the country of the previous chewing? Have you changed many places of residence?
                        As soon as it became bad in Sovereign Moldova, your family remembered the "roots of Israel".
                        And they rushed there.
                        Your family did not go to the Russian Federation ...
                        And it would not have been possible to work at a construction site at the same time and help the plumber clean the sewage system, or install a kitchen set at a merchant from the clothing market.
                        And for your mother, there would be no courses on changing labor orientation - if only not in janitors ...
                        Handymen were required, but they received less than a good plumber and with delays of up to six months!
                        And on what means to live for six months ...
                        Or will you say that EVERYONE had to "tear their claws on the Promised Lands"?
                      3. +2
                        16 August 2022 11: 32
                        Quote: hohol95
                        When did you get to the "Promised Land"?

                        1991
                        Quote: hohol95
                        And did your family travel a lot around the country of the previous chewing? Have you changed many places of residence?

                        Two
                        Quote: hohol95
                        As soon as it became bad in Sovereign Moldova, your family remembered the "roots of Israel".

                        It has not yet become sovereign, and the Russians have already rushed to the RSFSR and Ukraine, the Jews to Israel, the Germans to Deutschland, etc. - crime, the beginning of anarchy, the prerequisites for the Civil War, etc.
                        Quote: hohol95
                        Your family did not go to the Russian Federation ...

                        But should have? lol
                        Quote: hohol95
                        And it would not have been possible to work at a construction site at the same time and help the plumber clean the sewage system, or install a kitchen set at a merchant from the clothing market.

                        If it didn’t work out, everyone would have settled down by profession in the city - the hero of Moscow Yes
                        Quote: hohol95
                        And for your mother, there would be no courses on changing labor orientation - if only not in janitors ...

                        She has a profession in demand, and at that time in Moscow it was very, very in demand good
                        Quote: hohol95
                        Handymen were required, but they received less than a good plumber and with delays of up to six months!

                        I know and?
                        Quote: hohol95
                        And on what means to live for six months ...

                        Hairdressing courses and beyond
                        Quote: hohol95
                        Or will you say that EVERYONE had to "tear their claws on the Promised Lands"?

                        When we in the Promised Land in 1995 calculated what was more profitable - to buy a bus pass or rent an apartment closer to the place of work, Russian tourists began to come to Israel, wondering where the growth rate of the cost / rent of housing for investment in very expensive Israeli real estate was higher , so there is no need for "stingy male tears on unshaven chins"))
                      4. +1
                        16 August 2022 11: 47
                        No stingy tears or unshaven chin!
                        Your parents did not want to stay and adapt to the new circumstances of the emergence of Moldova.
                        It's not you, but your parents!
                        I didn’t encounter tourists riding around Israel in 1995 - I studied at a technical school as a simple electrician!
                        About hairdressing courses.
                        I personally had to deal with male hairdressers only a year before 1983. Later I saw only one master.
                        I doubt that you would go to the "barbers" to earn a living!
                        Do you think that living in Moscow is easy and simple?
                        Muscovites who came to us were surprised at the speed of arrival of a repairman on request.
                        According to them, they waited there for almost a week. Or "bash"...
                        So, let's not "farshmak of memories on the bread of reality."
                        You have your own memories.
                        I have mine.
                        And someone they are even worse and "blacker"!
                      5. +2
                        16 August 2022 11: 56
                        Quote: hohol95
                        Your parents did not want to stay and adapt to the new circumstances of the emergence of Moldova.

                        Yes, they were scared - only I had fun laughing
                        Quote: hohol95
                        It's not you, but your parents!

                        Exactly
                        Quote: hohol95
                        I didn’t encounter tourists riding around Israel in 1995 - I studied at a technical school as a simple electrician!

                        Excellent, a normal piece of bread, and if only for yourself, then also very cool good
                        Quote: hohol95
                        About hairdressing courses.
                        I personally had to deal with male hairdressers only a year before 1983.

                        They were in Chisinau in 1991, they made good money
                        Quote: hohol95
                        I doubt that you would go to the "barbers" to earn a living!

                        laughing
                        I cleaned sewer pipes, I was a laborer at a construction site, I was a waiter, I was a security guard, I was a guard, but, damn it, I wouldn’t become a hairdresser recourse
                        Quote: hohol95
                        Do you think that living in Moscow is easy and simple?

                        If you don’t make housing for yourself near your work / kindergarten-school, etc., then it takes a lot of time to move around the city
                        Quote: hohol95
                        Muscovites who came to us were surprised at the speed of arrival of a repairman on request.
                        According to them, they waited there for almost a week. Or "bash"...

                        Bashlyay is about Moscow. laughing And about Russia in general
                        Quote: hohol95
                        And someone they are even worse and "blacker"!

                        Agree
                      6. 0
                        16 August 2022 13: 34
                        Bashlyai is about Moscow. And about Russia in general
                        Do waiters in the US have to "bash with tips" or give money for a suitcase brought by a hotel worker?
                      7. 0
                        16 August 2022 13: 36
                        It is customary to leave a tip
                      8. 0
                        16 August 2022 13: 41
                        A natural question - Who adopted? Maybe waiters are paid so little that they "extort" tips from customers! The tenants did not give me a tip for restoring lighting in the basement of an apartment building.
                        And at a construction site, a foreman or a foreman didn’t throw cement out of his pocket “for sugar” for carrying a wagon of cement!
                      9. 0
                        16 August 2022 13: 55
                        Quote: hohol95
                        Maybe waiters are paid so little that they "extort" tips from customers!

                        Sometimes they don't pay at all, but the American custom is to tip the waiter
                        Sometimes it's included as a percentage of the bill.
                        And in expensive restaurants it can be at least twenty.
                        Consider an average check of 200 bucks. Especially in those restaurants that you can’t get into without a pre-order. 5 customers on average per waiter. $200 per shift. 5000 for a working month. What salary? laughing
                        Quote: hohol95
                        The tenants did not give me a tip for restoring lighting in the basement of an apartment building.

                        It's clear
                        Quote: hohol95
                        And at a construction site, a foreman or a foreman didn’t throw cement out of his pocket “for sugar” for carrying a wagon of cement!

                        But for work with a plumber, they threw a tip Yes
                      10. +1
                        16 August 2022 14: 25
                        Working with a plumber...
                        You have it there.
                        We didn't have anything like that!
                        The tenant could give "for a bottle" if there was a sin behind him - he broke the valve himself or scored the riser with bones or stubs!
                        But this is not a rule - some did not even move the furniture - there is a sofa, there is a leaking pipe behind the sofa - move the sofa and fix the leak - you get paid for it!
                        There is a salary. There is a range of responsibilities. Do it. Everything that is beyond the duties is a contractual relationship with the client. They did not agree on the price - let him do it himself or look for more accommodating performers.
                        I don't tip waiters. I don't go to restaurants tongue
                      11. 0
                        16 August 2022 14: 31
                        No
                        Private plumber
                        Quote: hohol95
                        I don't tip waiters. I don't go to restaurants

                        I always give, I go to restaurants))
                      12. +1
                        16 August 2022 14: 51
                        So a private plumber under a contract - did the job, get paid! Take the money to the office or if by yourself - take it all!
                        What tips?
                      13. 0
                        16 August 2022 14: 59
                        So he is an office))
                      14. 0
                        16 August 2022 11: 56
                        I had a guide in Eilat, an elderly Jew from Sevastopol, who left back in the nineties, under the Ascension program. He had some kind of ship repair profession. Israel has nothing to do with it. He learned two languages, got an education in the tourism sector, passed the exams, got a license and made good money, leading, in addition to the mandatory ones, also left-wing "author's" excursions.
                      15. 0
                        16 August 2022 13: 36
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        passed the exams, received a license and made good money, leading, in addition to the obligatory ones, also left-wing "author's" excursions.

                        Anton, what are mandatory excursions?
                      16. +1
                        16 August 2022 13: 57
                        Those that are offered by the hotel guide and for which taxes are paid.
                      17. 0
                        16 August 2022 14: 02
                        These are not mandatory, it is he who also blows the percentage of the hotel)).
                        And for cash - yes, if they were skeptical with people, they can offer this))
                      18. +1
                        16 August 2022 14: 28
                        Here you go. We paid for one of his excursions, to Timna, by bank transfer (by card), and two more - to him personally.
                      19. -1
                        16 August 2022 14: 32
                        Warming up an old Crimean Jew))
                      20. +1
                        16 August 2022 15: 05
                        Yes. And such a sickly heating! On "left" excursions, he drove a "dodge caravan" in his car, that is, 4-5 people, for 40 bucks from the snout. Accordingly, $160-200 for an hour and a half of work!
                      21. +1
                        16 August 2022 19: 53
                        You can do it too ))
                        But you don't want to. Why then.
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        $160-200 for an hour and a half of work!
                      22. 0
                        17 August 2022 01: 16
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        He had some kind of ship repair profession. Israel has nothing to do with it.


                        Israel has its own fleet and even a submarine.
        4. +4
          16 August 2022 10: 06
          A very controversial thesis, well, for example, the British Empire, a huge state and the docker and miner movement in the 20s, a blow to trade unions. The United States got rich after WWI, and demonstrations were dispersed by armored vehicles and even private jets bombed protester camps.
          1. +4
            16 August 2022 10: 42
            By the way, the Western European / US working class, its social sphere and the current situation were greatly helped by Lenin, the governments took a look at the October Revolution and its consequences laughing
    4. +8
      16 August 2022 08: 22
      Who knows what would have happened without Pinochet - Cuba or Sweden

      We still need to think about what would have happened to Cuba if it had not been for the blockade set up by the Americans? And there would be no need to spend huge amounts of money on the army? It is quite possible that the economic situation would now be no worse than in Chile.
      1. -1
        16 August 2022 08: 35
        Quote: vet
        We still need to think about what would have happened to Cuba if it had not been for the blockade set up by the Americans?

        And not the collapse of the USSR, due to which she lived relatively well Yes
        Quote: vet
        And there would be no need to spend huge amounts of money on the army?

        Greetings from Israel, which was under serious economic sanctions until the mid-90s fellow There, too, the army is nothing like that, but they live a little better than Japan, a little worse than Austria
        Quote: vet
        It is quite possible that the economic situation would now be no worse than in Chile.

        If not for the revolution, then, most likely, even better
        1. +4
          16 August 2022 10: 05
          If not for the revolution, then, most likely, even better

          Better than where?
          Cuba or Haiti?
          1. -3
            16 August 2022 10: 45
            If not for Fidel, the situation in Cuba would be better than in Chile
            1. +4
              16 August 2022 11: 09
              Haiti does not and never had its own Fidel.
              Is it good to live in Haiti?
              And who proved that without the communists, Cuba would begin to live like the state of Florida?
              Is it better to live on the island of Grenada now than before the American landing?
              1. 0
                16 August 2022 11: 11
                It's simple - Cuba was closer and more economically connected with the States than Haiti and Grenada
                1. +2
                  16 August 2022 11: 22
                  Closer to Savoy casinos, rum and prostitution?
                  1. 0
                    16 August 2022 11: 37
                    Prostitution is still flourishing there (hidden, after a night with you, the girl knows what she urgently needs 100-150 dollars), closer with her tobacco, closer with her beaches, well, and a casino with rum - why not? request
                    1. +1
                      16 August 2022 11: 58
                      https://097mcn.livejournal.com/168484.html
                      "At the same time, the United States methodically and purposefully undermined its own Cuban economy: in the 40s, they provoked a crisis in the Cuban tobacco industry (by switching to the purchase of Manila tobacco - lower quality, but for next to nothing) and in the production of alcohol (replacing Cuban rum with Puerto Rican). The United States deliberately turned Cuba into a country of monoculture (sugarcane), monoproduct (sugar) and monomarket (US market).It came to the point that the Americans ruined the producers of the simplest products - even matches, razor blades, slippers, light bulbs, soap were brought to Cuba from the U.S. By overpricing its goods and underestimating those of Cuba, the United States inflicted more than $1950 billion in damage on Cuba from 1959 to 1 alone."
                      Here's a tobacco with rum...
                      1. 0
                        16 August 2022 13: 45
                        Please tell me, if you are used to smoking Marlboro, say, will you switch to Prima because of the cheapness of the products?
                        If you drink French cognac XO, will you switch to Dagestan because of the cheapness?
                        If elementary garbage was imported to Cuba from the States, then it was cheaper in the USA, if the Italians produce part of their brands in Romania and Portugal by the Germans, this does not mean that they undermine their own economy))
                        And - how could the United States inflate prices for Cuban goods in Cuba itself?
                        What kind of nonsense? ))))
                      2. +1
                        16 August 2022 13: 54
                        I don’t know where you read about the overpricing of Cuban goods, but in the United States itself there is not only Marlboro and it is quite realistic to oblige to replace Cuban rum with Puerto Rican one.
                        In domestic sweets cognac XO?
                        So rum could be replaced - for example, for making "rum women"!
                        The rich will always buy the goods he needs. He is a poor man and a poor man in the USA - he will look for cheaper products!
                        And he doesn't care where the tobacco he smokes was grown!
                      3. -1
                        16 August 2022 13: 59
                        Quote: hohol95
                        where did you read about the overpricing of Cuban goods,

                        Wrong, right))
                        But, again, American goods in Cuba should, in theory, be more expensive
                        In theory
                        Quote: hohol95
                        it is quite realistic to oblige to replace Cuban rum with Puerto Rican one.

                        Oblige - how? ))
                        Is that to make him duty-free import / excise for a penny
                        Quote: hohol95
                        domestic sweets cognac XO?
                        So rum could be replaced - for example, for making "rum women"!

                        Well, there are private manufacturers, they take what is cheaper. Or vice versa - which is better quality.
                        Quote: hohol95
                        The rich will always buy the goods he needs. He is a poor man and a poor man in the USA - he will look for cheaper products!

                        Agree
                        Only Cuban cigars are a commodity for the rich)).
    5. +11
      16 August 2022 08: 32
      Gross national income per capita

      It's not just about GNP, it's about how it's distributed. If the lion's share goes to foreign investors and local compradors, the people will not live well. For example, Russia in the 2000s received fantastic income from energy trade. And the result? Almost all the money was taken out of the country by the oligarchs and the government. investing in the economy of other countries. And then half of this money was confiscated, and it turned out that Russia does not produce aircraft engines for civil aircraft, in the automotive industry - completely screwdriver assembly, there is no way to produce cardboard for juices and milk, A4 office paper and women's gaskets - too, and so on in many positions . There was a unique opportunity to carry out the second industrialization of the country, build modern autobahns, give preferential loans to agricultural producers, demolish poor schools and hospitals outside the Moscow Ring Road and build new ones in their place, build modern swimming pools in every regional center ... And much more. And in the end - with a broken trough.
      In Chile under Pinochet, too, there are few rich, but a lot of poor. And why should ordinary Chileans love him?
      1. -2
        16 August 2022 08: 40
        I don't know about Chile, we have a problem - the mentality of the population.
        1. +6
          16 August 2022 08: 58
          We have a problem - the mentality of the population.
          Where is "we"? In Russia or in Israel? Bad luck with the people?
          1. +2
            16 August 2022 09: 42
            Quote: Aviator_
            where is "us"? In Russia or in Israel? Bad luck with the people?

            You know what? Both in Russia and in Israel the people are problematic. Hence the problems of both countries. Differences - in 70 years, the Israelis have gone from very egalitarian socialism (a bloated public sector in which, with a meager salary base, allowances were paid for seniority, so the new director almost always earned less than a cleaner with 20 years of experience) to capitalism with an excellent social program, while Russia was thrown from almost feudalism into unequal "socialism", from there into Milton Friedman's capitalism, etc.
            As a result, in Israel, the best club for young people in terms of making connections for the future is some kind of fancy IDF special forces
            (for example, 4 heads of government come from the special forces of the General Staff), and in Russia - some kind of Russian-speaking party in an English university. For example. Hence the class character, the confidence that grandmothers from scratch, thanks to diligent study and climbing the career ladder, cannot be raised through self-improvement and diligent work, etc.
            In principle, you are right - both countries are not very lucky with the people (scandalous Jews who are taught from childhood by their parents that their child is the best), and power is a dress from the flesh and blood from the blood of this people.
            1. +1
              16 August 2022 18: 59
              Well, thanks for the detailed analysis.
      2. +6
        16 August 2022 09: 14
        And why should ordinary Chileans love him?
        Yes, they didn’t particularly like him. If he “voluntarily”, on the advice of the United States, would not resign and hold elections, the regime would fall. Since the guerrilla, it acquired a wide scope.
      3. +3
        16 August 2022 10: 06
        And instead of toilet paper, burdock leaves are sold everywhere in stores !!!crying
        1. +3
          16 August 2022 10: 40
          smile Well, yes, only the Nazis are able to benefit humanity. Especially toilet papier and leather gloves ..... smile
    6. 0
      22 August 2022 22: 27
      Another would be to see the distribution of wealth by population groups. And so this data is the average temperature in the hospital.
  4. +5
    16 August 2022 06: 49
    The rebels were let down by a grenade launcher, which at first misfired, and the second grenade pierced the windshield of the dictator's car, but did not explode.


    But it was not necessary to use Chinese weapons. bully

    1. +2
      16 August 2022 07: 01
      Quote: Sea Cat
      But it was not necessary to use Chinese weapons.

      Therefore, during an attempt, means of destruction are always duplicated))
      1. +4
        16 August 2022 07: 04
        That's for sure, Kaplan also had an understudy. Yes
        1. +3
          16 August 2022 07: 07
          Kaplan from Mossad had an understudy, Kaplan Fani had stupid ideas laughing
          1. +3
            16 August 2022 07: 19
            Kaplan from Mossad had an understudy


            Here's more about it, please. Yes
            1. +2
              16 August 2022 07: 34
              Quote: Sea Cat
              Here's more about it, please.

              I can’t elaborate - life is good and live well feel
              1. +4
                16 August 2022 07: 40
                Aaaaaa ... the machinations of the Mossad .... bully

                1. +3
                  16 August 2022 07: 54
                  Translation:
                  In the absence of military cunning, the people will fall, and the sense of multiple consultations
                  1. +3
                    16 August 2022 08: 16
                    Translations, they are also all sorts. laughing

                    1. +1
                      16 August 2022 08: 31
                      To simplify: without the brains of the Khan to the people Yes
      2. +4
        16 August 2022 07: 23
        A classic of the genre: the murder of Kapysh.
    2. +1
      16 August 2022 07: 11
      RPG-7 was there as far as I remember.
      1. +3
        16 August 2022 07: 16
        This is understandable, the whole question is, whose production is the weapon.
        1. +5
          16 August 2022 07: 21
          The question is not about the quality of Chinese weapons, but that the instruction manual is in Chinese.
          1. +3
            16 August 2022 07: 36
            The fact that it was not done by the pros
            1. +4
              16 August 2022 07: 44
              And you are on point. good

          2. +4
            16 August 2022 07: 42
            I doubt there were instructions at all.
            1. +6
              16 August 2022 08: 35
              If RPG-7, even Chinese-made, then it should be on the self-awareness pipe (in the form of a stamped plate). The question is, how much do they know Chinese in Chile, well, or Russian.
              I remember after the events in Yugoslavia, our people tried to fire at the American embassy from the Mukha. It also didn’t work out because of the unwillingness to read the instructions for the RPG.
              1. +4
                16 August 2022 09: 05
                I remember after the events in Yugoslavia, our people tried to fire at the American embassy from the Mukha. It also didn’t work out because of the unwillingness to read the instructions for the RPG.
                It was so. But they deliberately made sure that the grenade did not go off, because it was nothing more than a symbolic act. In October 1993, they also tried to knock out the doors to Ostankino with an unarmed grenade.
              2. +5
                16 August 2022 09: 13
                ours tried to fire at the American embassy from the "Fly".


                The sculptor Suslikov tried to shoot, but he failed to shoot from the "Fly", so he fired at the embassy from a machine gun and received 6,5 years in prison. I don’t know how he managed not to figure it out with the “Fly”, there are instructions in pictures like in “Murzilka”, like “Do it yourself” and is designed for the most stupid.

                There is no such table on the RPG-7, at least it wasn’t for sure before.
    3. +4
      16 August 2022 18: 31
      By 18:30 all groups were in their places. Alonso, like other shooters, dug in on the slope: “Suddenly, flashing lights appeared below. I thought: "The first motorcycle!". We got ready. "Victor" cocked his SIG rifle. I also started aiming at the motorcyclist from my M-16. "Jorge" was on the track itself. Behind him, Milton, driving his Peugeot trailer, blocks the road. "Jorge" aim from a grenade launcher at the lead vehicle, which for us is a signal to attack. More than twenty M-16 rifles are preparing to open fire. Once!!! The Jorge has a grenade launcher malfunction and frantically pulls the trigger again. There is no more time. "Milton" and "Javier" begin to fire from their rifles at the lead vehicle. I keep my sights on the first motorcyclist, but I don't hear the shots. Now the motorcyclist is almost in front of me, I start shooting. He continues to move, I shoot again, he moves away, but I see how the motorcycle zigzagged. "Victor" screams that his rifle is jammed. I move a little to the side, shoot the motorcyclist again, which is 40 or 50 meters away, and then I notice that a second motorcyclist appears on the road. Behind him, our explosions and shots rumble, and there is no reaction from the enemy.

      The lead car of the motorcade, a Chevrolet Opala driven by Sergeant Luis Cordoba, stopped after the driver was killed. The Mercedes-Benz, which was following the Chevrolet in which Pinochet was, backs up.

      “Rodrigo”, a member of the second assault group, pointed his rifle at the rapidly receding car: “The type from behind the side door fired a whole clip in my direction, after which, apparently, having reloaded the weapon, he began to shoot furiously again, forcing me to change position. I saw sideways that the battle was going on. A very strange thing was that "Ernesto" and "Ramiro" fired while standing, not afraid of the reaction of Pinochet's guards. For me, who shot from the knee, it gave me confidence.”

      One of the rockets fired by Ramiro hit the roof of another car, tearing everyone to pieces in the cabin. Meanwhile, the head of the presidential guard, Roberto McLean, took off towards the rocks, while bullets and improvised grenades rained down on the dictator's motorcade. road post. Two policemen were injured. The leader of the Joaquin group at that moment fired a grenade launcher at Pinochet's car, which was trying to escape in reverse. But the first rocket, hitting the armored roof of the Mercedes, went towards the cliff, and the second did not fire at all.

      Joaquin immediately ordered the rest of the group's fighters to focus fire on the dictator's car. The combatants tried to throw grenades at the car, but they did not cause any particular damage. The blast wave from one of the exploding bombs threw the Joaquin right on the roof of the Mercedes. The driver of which, having hit the truck of the rearguard group, which blocked the way back, made a sharp maneuver, because of which the "Joaquin" flew to the ground, turned around, and left the scene in the direction of Pinochet's country residence.
    4. +3
      16 August 2022 18: 35
      Guillermo Teilier clarifies:

      “I did talk to Fidel Castro, Eric Honecker and other important people in the East, whose names I would not like to name. In Castro's case, I just came to him for help. And at first, remembering the past, he tried to dissuade us, because Cuba already had a bitter experience of unsuccessful attempts at large-scale imports of weapons in Latin America.

      But, in the end, the Castro regime agreed to cooperate with the Chilean revolutionaries. Experienced Cuban officers were responsible for acquiring weapons and transporting them to the Chilean coast on the Rio Najasa.

      But if the Cubans brought to the operation their vast knowledge of covert operations and most of the arsenal, then the Soviet Union provided the financial side of the operation, and also provided weapons, but in much smaller quantities than the Cubans.

      The total budget of this most secret and large-scale operation of the HRC was more than 30 million dollars, which forced Gladys Marin, accompanied by representatives of the underground FPMR leadership in Europe, to make repeated trips to Moscow to raise funds. Several tons of Czechoslovak-made T-4 plastic explosives and Russian RPG-7 grenade launchers added to the valuable baggage that was to be transferred to Chile.
      1. -1
        16 August 2022 19: 22
        Thank you, Vitaliy! hi

        The most interesting details, although there were no doubts that there were no "hands of Moscow and Cuba" here.
  5. +4
    16 August 2022 08: 12
    Under Pinochet, Chile rose from its knees, on which it was put by the government of "National Unity" laughing, The United States successfully invested in Pinochet. laughing And during the years of his reign, the Chileans healed "from the belly." laughing Not without the help of the same USA laughing Here are just the nationalized mines, they were somewhat embarrassed and remembered about "human rights". laughing But no sanctions were announced. Human rights were especially severely violated only in the USSR and in similar countries. laughing
  6. +2
    16 August 2022 08: 18
    recipes by Milton Friedman
    Tatyana loves this Friedman very much. Almost every topic posts about him the same post for half a page. lol
    1. +1
      16 August 2022 08: 36
      Quote: Stirbjorn
      recipes by Milton Friedman
      Tatyana loves this Fridman very much

      Isn't Milton the renamed head of the Alpha Group? laughing
    2. +2
      16 August 2022 10: 48
      Quote: Stirbjorn
      Tatyana loves this Fridman very much

      Him, the Jew Zelensky and Chabad Lubavitch))
  7. +8
    16 August 2022 09: 09
    If we talk about the coup itself, it was the usual reactionary military coup, inspired by the CIA. But the Pinochet regime, indeed, fascisized with exceptional speed. Fascist parties were the only civil ally of Pinochet - and it was these parties that continued to be active in the country, despite the official junta ban on the activities of political parties (the activities of the right-wing parties were banned until 1988, the left - until the fall of the dictatorship). It was the fascists who were entrusted with the "ideological substantiation" of the regime, they were the "ideological commissars" of the junta in the universities, and so on. Very soon the glorification of Hitler, Mussolini and Franco became the norm. Very soon anti-Communist rhetoric was joined by anti-Masonic and anti-Semitic ones. Under Pinochet, Chile became a breeding ground for fascist propaganda throughout the Spanish-speaking world. Mussolini's "Fascist Doctrine" in Spanish was published in Chile in 6 million copies - and widely distributed throughout Latin America. Rosenberg's "Myth of the 4,2th Century" was published in 70 million copies - and also distributed throughout the continent. In the late XNUMXs, fugitive Nazi war criminals from all over the world gathered in Chile. Former SS men served as consultants, experts, and sometimes managers in the concentration camps created by the junta in Chakabuco, on the island of Doson, in Tierra del Fuego, etc. Among them were celebrities - for example, the inventor of the "gas chamber" V. Rauch. The fugitive Nazis caused significant damage to the moral authority of the Catholic Church in Chile, since they acted more than once under the guise of Catholic priests. But this does not bother Pinochet lovers, it's different. laughing
    1. -1
      16 August 2022 10: 52
      Quote: kor1vet1974
      Very soon to anti-communist rhetoric

      Just Pinochet himself was friends with both the Jews and Israel, and even promised nishtyaks and buns to Jewish managers, engineers, etc. from the States, Europe, Israel when moving to Chile
      1. +4
        16 August 2022 11: 51
        Pinochet, friend of the Jews, laughing considering that 93% of Jewish families emigrated from Chile. School textbooks under Pinochet included formulations like "Marx the Jew", "Heine the Jew and Freemason", etc. Of course, Pinochet, a great friend of the Jewish people, and a lot of Jews fell for Pinochet's nishtyaks, just don't mention former Israeli intelligence officers in this list. After 93% of the Jews left Chile, I can imagine how Jews from the States, Europe and Israel rushed to Pinochet's goodies. laughing
        1. -2
          16 August 2022 12: 04
          Quote: kor1vet1974
          considering that 93% of Jewish families emigrated from Chile

          Jews are mostly left-wing, liberals. Except Israeli. ))
          Quote: kor1vet1974
          School textbooks under Pinochet included phrases like "the Jew Marx", "the Jew and the Mason Heine"

          Incorrect. Cross Marx, Ethiopian and Mason Pushkin laughing
          Quote: kor1vet1974
          just don't mention former Israeli intelligence officers in this list.

          Chur chur, don't take it in vain, don't mess with Zohan, etc.
          Quote: kor1vet1974
          After 93% of the Jews left Chile, I can imagine how Jews from the States, Europe and Israel rushed to Pinochet's goodies.

          Economists, including some guys from Chicago, investors from the States, engineers from France and Canada, gunsmiths and doctors from Israel still rushed Yes
          The fees and prospects were good, the modern Jewish community in Chile is quite respected, their only problem, today, is the abundance of Arabs there, who are sometimes pulled out. But - not much and quite rare, all the same, Latin America laughing
          1. +2
            16 August 2022 12: 30
            Yes, yes ... just tens of thousands of Jews, or even hundreds, flooded into the new promised land in Chile. laughing And all with Nazi views, I guess? laughing The liberals and the left have left .. They won’t go with other views ... Although, from your words, Pinochet is not a fascist .. good, kind, uncle, how is the educator, navigator, friend of Jews and children. Here the environment let down ... some former Nazi criminals came in large numbers, you understand, they penetrated, but he didn’t even know .... There was a great democrat, like his curators from the USA .. baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa the Democrats are still on guard of it. laughing
            1. -1
              16 August 2022 13: 27
              Quote: kor1vet1974
              it's just that tens of thousands of Jews, or even hundreds, flooded into the new promised land in Chile.

              Hundreds, and today 18000 live there (for 2019) + 12000 not according to Halacha

              Quote: kor1vet1974
              And all with Nazi views, I guess?

              Of course - the superiority of the white race over all sorts of Semites laughing
              No, the Arabs, according to Adolfp, are useful Semites, but Juden am
              White supremacy over Youden fellow
              Quote: kor1vet1974
              Although from your words, Pinochet is not a fascist .. good, kind, uncle, how is the educator, navigator, friend of Jews and children

              Like Columbus? lol
              Only a friend of Jews and children. Jewish children included, I presume? ))
              Or Jews and non-Jewish children?
              Quote: kor1vet1974
              some former Nazi criminals came in large numbers, you understand, they penetrated, but he didn’t even know

              How about in Syria? lol
              Just a question - where did they live before 1973? Have you come to Chile to retire? ))
              Say, if the Nazi functionary was young, but by the age of 40 he had already made a career in the Reich, then in 1976 he should have been over 70. Or did Pinochet have a special pension program? On the recommendation of Milton Friedman? laughing Like, it contradicts monetarism, but if we are talking about the Nazis, invite of course. All the Friedmans are concerned with getting the Nazis a good pension and all that... what
              Quote: kor1vet1974
              like his curators from the USA .. baaaaaaal big democrats

              Not Republicans, but Democrats? ))
              1. +2
                16 August 2022 14: 03
                Listen, if you are a supporter of fascism, in all its manifestations, say so laughing If not, why are you writing to me, trying to convince me of the "progressive" nature of Pinochet laughing For me, Franco, Pinochet, Hitler, Mussolini and the rest are fascists. According to your comments, it seems that you personally lack Pinochet with all the consequences. laughing
                1. -1
                  16 August 2022 14: 22
                  Quote: kor1vet1974
                  Listen, if you are a supporter of fascism, in all its manifestations, say so

                  No, I'm a liberal-conservative, Zionist and Putinoid))
                  Quote: kor1vet1974
                  If not, why are you writing to me, trying to convince me of the "progressive" nature of Pinochet

                  Yes, I was just wondering about ensuring old age for the German Nazis under the patronage of Milton Friedman lol
                  Quote: kor1vet1974
                  For me, Franco, Pinochet, Hitler, Mussolini and the rest are fascists

                  Franco - a type of that, Mussolini - of course, Hitler - a Nazi, Pinochet - neither fish nor fowl
                  Quote: kor1vet1974
                  According to your comments, it is felt that you personally lack Pinochet with all the consequences.

                  No, I do not have enough information about the SS geriatric brigade at Pinochet laughing
                  1. +1
                    16 August 2022 15: 12
                    Franco - a type of that, Mussolini - of course, Hitler - a Nazi, Pinochet - neither fish nor fowl
                    Wow laughing That is, as it were, a fascist, and not a fascist .. And you are not a supporter of Pinochet laughing
                    No, I do not have enough information about the SS geriatric brigade at Pinochet
                    Yes, google help! laughing Or we will conclude a contract, not a gratuitous kanesh .. About the provision of services by me to you laughing
                    No, I'm a liberal-conservative, Zionist and Putinoid))
                    Ilyin also lies on the shelf and re-reads in the same way. laughing
                    Yes, I was just wondering about ensuring old age for the German Nazis under the patronage of Milton Friedman
                    I was also interested, although I did not write about it in my comment. laughing
                    Yes, in 1975, the UN General Assembly made a decision in principle to condemn Zionism as a form of racism and racial discrimination. Thus, Zionism was equated with fascism. Yes, I withdraw my offer about the contract, otherwise it will not be convenient for me to appear in a decent society. They say he contacted the Nazis. laughing
                    1. +1
                      16 August 2022 19: 50
                      Quote: kor1vet1974
                      Wow! That is, as it were, a fascist, and not a fascist .. And you are not a supporter of Pinochet

                      Like, the junta. I'm not on the side of Pinochet, I'm against Allende
                      Quote: kor1vet1974
                      Ilyin also lies on the shelf and re-reads in the same way.

                      I reread a lot of people, incl. Stalin laughing

                      Quote: kor1vet1974
                      I was also interested, although I did not write about it in my comment.

                      In the late 70s, Nazi war criminals fled from justice gathered in Chile from all over the world. Former SS men served as consultants, experts, and sometimes managers in the concentration camps created by the junta in Chakabuco, on the island of Doson, in Tierra del Fuego, etc. Among them were celebrities - for example, the inventor of the "gas chamber" V. Rauch. The fugitive Nazis caused significant damage to the moral authority of the Catholic Church in Chile, since they acted more than once under the guise of Catholic priests. But this does not bother Pinochet lovers, it's different.

                      Not your post from 09:09? )))
                      So, I ask you again - if the most talented Nazi functionary was 1945 years old in 40, then with the arrival of Pinochet in 1973 he should have turned 68. This is for those who are young and early. The question is - did they come to Chile for the sake of a pension, which was opposed by the monetarist Friedman, or were they already there under ... Allende? lol Like, he is a socialist, they are national socialists, is everything ok? laughing Or, after all, Pinochet, as a fascist, mobilized geriatric National Socialists? fellow
                      Quote: kor1vet1974
                      Yes, In 1975, the UN General Assembly made a decision in principle to condemn Zionism as a form of racism and racial discrimination.

                      Yes, a cool decision, given that the Jews are representatives incl. Negroid and Mongoloid races, and as discrimination in the debate on the declaration, in all seriousness, the fact that there were no rapes of Arab women by Israeli soldiers was mentioned in all seriousness Yes Disdain, so ... negative
                      Quote: kor1vet1974
                      Thus Zionism was equated with fascism.

                      Well, yes, because only the Nazis could prevent the progressive peoples of the Middle East from destroying themselves laughing
          2. +1
            17 August 2022 05: 45
            Quote: Krasnodar
            Incorrect. Cross Marx, Ethiopian and Mason Pushkin

            For 99% of the fascists, both the converts and the Jews who converted to Islam are no different from the Hasidim.
            1. -1
              17 August 2022 10: 21
              You mean the Nazis - for the Nazis, the nation does not matter. The state is above the interests of society, the interests of society are above the interests of the nation, etc.
  8. +5
    16 August 2022 10: 24
    executions of DINA political police officers and informers.
    Here is an interesting point, the DINA employees and informants went into the real underground, there were settlements where the DINA officers never spent the night twice in the same house, you might think that they were the partisans who were wanted by the authorities. In addition, the partisans systematically attacked the local departments of fascist parties and organizations, at the printing house where fascist newspapers were printed, at warehouses of fascist literature. Kioskers refused to sell fascist newspapers - despite the fact that the fascists beat them for this, and often sent them to prison on suspicion of "sympathy for the communists" .
  9. +3
    16 August 2022 11: 24
    For a good jerk, you need to scatter - and to scatter, you need to retreat. If we look at a significant part of the countries showing the "miracles" of development in jerks, we see a picture in which the population of these states is first "driven into the plinth" by certain events, usually from several years to decades. The more the standard of living of people has been knocked out, the more their property has been knocked out, the poorer, hungry and powerless they are - the more enthusiastically they rush to build something and generally "give their best", the better they are processed by propaganda that involves them in this if see hope. Unfortunately this is a fact.
    We take post-war Germany - the same picture. Post-war Japan - all the same. RSFSR after the civil war and intervention - one to one. China after the end of the civil war (all these writhings of Maoism) and especially after the end of Maoism. South Korea after the end of the Korean War (and, in general, North, to some extent). The same Vietnam, After the end of the Civil War and the Vietnam War.

    In order for people to learn to be extremely happy with what they are given - you just need to take everything from them, leave them without pants, humiliate them and hold them in this state for a while, and they will remember the taste of potato peel soup, long grocery lines, hopelessness, hungry children and devastation. Then such people will meet absolutely any ruler as the Messiah, they will look into his mouth and enthusiastically burn on meager salaries. These are the laws of human psychology - there is no objective "good", there is a subjective "good", in which it is better than a long-term and stable "bad".

    The greater the masses are enthusiastically involved in changes, the more of them are "below the line" not due to objective conditions of inability, but because of the current situation beyond their ability to change anything. Yes, and the susceptibility of such people is not an example higher than well-fed, pampered and self-satisfied.

    Probably all these "shock therapists" proceeded from such logic, well, from the logic of a plowman who, before each sowing, thoroughly dragons his plot with a plow.
    Meditating on this, you involuntarily come to a sad thought - the line of "profitability" of a person and the state diverges great. It is beneficial for the state that people work like hell for a penny, otherwise it would spend superprofits on various things, because any state has very good. big appetites. And a person simply and ALWAYS wanted to live peacefully, well-fed and positively, for the most part.
    1. mz
      +3
      16 August 2022 15: 38
      How to make a person feel good? Make him feel bad, and then return it the way it was!)
      Only when "retreating back" there are always a lot of victims ...
  10. +2
    16 August 2022 12: 49
    The grenade did not explode because the distance was too small and it did not have time to cock. The grenade launcher either missed this moment in the park, or did not know at all that the grenade had a minimum distance for its operation.
  11. +1
    16 August 2022 13: 51
    Yegor Gaidar and his untalented team. Under them, industrial production decreased by 25%

    I read that the decline in industrial production under Alkash was 52%, and the decline in agriculture was just over 30%. It seems that even this was official data ...
    1. +3
      16 August 2022 14: 57
      I understand that 25% is the result of Gaidar. And then he left, but the Chubais, Grefs, Kokhs, Nemtsovs and others remained, as well as the oligarchs they fostered. They "continued and deepened", brought up to 50%
  12. 0
    16 August 2022 15: 39
    Against the backdrop of large-scale and brutal repression in Chile, economic reforms were launched according to the liberal recipes of the American professor Milton Friedman. His followers are often referred to as the "Chicago Boys". In many countries of the world, the implementation of Friedman's ideas invariably led to catastrophic impoverishment of the population and a sharp stratification of society into "oligarchs" and barely making ends meet "hard workers". Chile is no exception. Friedman personally supervised the implementation of reforms in Chile and visited this country several times.
    1. +1
      17 August 2022 10: 37
      Just a quote from the same article?
  13. 0
    17 August 2022 14: 43
    the main thing is not to allow American managers to manage
  14. 0
    17 August 2022 21: 06
    "Dulo" from the window! The machine has a barrel! Who served, he knows!
  15. 0
    17 August 2022 21: 29
    Quote: Sea Cat
    Aaaaaa ... the machinations of the Mossad .... bully


    oops, did someone screw up the story?
    Turks and Aztecs worshiped the same seven-headed deity

    The image of the monster found in Altai was made five thousand years ago. In the lower left corner of the picture you can see the runic inscription: "Manaka".

    After studying the Aztec pantheon, the researchers found a similar deity named Chicomecatl. His image can be found in ancient temples throughout Mexico. It is known that the Aztecs brought human sacrifices to the goddess Chicomecatl. In particular, children.

    But that's not all. In Hinduism, there is a goddess of fertility, she is depicted as a woman whose head is surrounded by seven snakes. The name of the goddess is Manas. Almost like the Turks.

    It turns out that the nomads of Eurasia could be involved in the settlement of America. On the territory of Eurasia, the seven-headed deity was also worshiped by the Aryans and Sumerians, who called the snake Mushman.
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  17. 0
    23 August 2022 20: 24
    Oh, I've already heard about the "muzzle of machine guns". And more recently, in the 14th. Interesting stamp, right?
  18. 0
    29 October 2022 22: 10
    Moreover, in Chile, the best pension provision was laid down just under Pinochet. And the economic well-being of the country was not born out of the blue, its foundation was laid by the "bloody dictator" ..
  19. 0
    4 November 2022 11: 33
    The "success" of Ponochet's reforms in Chile was one of the pillars of the falsification of market fundamentalists.
    Their "Market State" has done incomparably more harm to humanity than the "Islamic State".