The British The Guardian called the events at the airfield in the Crimea a propaganda victory for Kyiv

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The recent explosions at an airfield in Crimea are described by the Western press, including The Guardian newspaper, as a great propaganda victory for Kyiv. Although the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation has officially stated that ammunition stored there was detonated at a military airfield near Novofedorovka in the Saki region of Crimea, in the West and in Ukraine they say that the explosions at the airfield were the work of Ukrainian special forces or a strike. At the moment, there is not a single witness of the rocket approach, although many people rested there.

Unfortunately, this time Russia was not up to the mark in the information confrontation, unable to clearly explain what happened at the military airfield. But the Ukrainian and Western media immediately seized on the version of a missile attack or the activities of some "pro-Ukrainian partisans" in order to intimidate the Russians and demonstrate to the world the "power of the Ukrainian army."



In the publication of The Guardian, another thing is striking: okay, the version with a missile strike, but the publication sarcastically writes that the explosions at the airfield took place in front of thousands of tourists and reminds them with the words of Ukrainian propaganda that Crimea is “not the best place to relax.” Thus, the Western press once again shows that the lives of even civilians mean nothing either for Ukraine or for Western countries.

At the same time, exaggerating the “successes” of the Ukrainian army, The Guardian, like other similar publications, “forgets” that even if several pieces of equipment are lost, it is Russia that is conducting a successful offensive in the Donbas and Russian troops control more than 22% territory of Ukraine. The publication does not write that an energy crisis has arisen in Europe as a result of sanctions, and that up to eight million inhabitants have already fled from the territory of Ukraine.

The Guardian considers some possible versions of the strike by the Ukrainian military on the ammunition depot. So, it could be applied, from the point of view of the publication, with the help of drone-kamikaze, which was controlled by saboteurs. It does not rule out the production and use of long-range missiles, since the airfield is theoretically located within the reach of the Neptune missiles stationed in Odessa. However, no traces of missiles flying over the territory adjacent to the airfield, as already reported, were found in the network.

Justin Bronk, an analyst at the Royal Joint Institute for the Armed Forces Defense and Security think tank, says in a commentary to the publication that the main effect of the events at the airfield is propaganda. And he's right. Even if Ukraine has nothing to do with the explosions at the airfield, Kyiv and the West successfully used this event for propaganda purposes, continuing to sow a sense of danger and doubts about the effectiveness of the special operation among ordinary Russians as well.

As for the short-term goals of Ukraine, the publication names among them the conduct of a counter-offensive until the beginning of autumn 2022 in order to regain control over Kherson. Surprisingly: everyone admits that Ukraine does not have the forces for the offensive, but the Western media stubbornly write about the need for a “battle for Kherson”, in which the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine can become catastrophic. Apparently, the propaganda with statements about the alleged imminent capture of the Kherson Armed Forces is an invention of the Western special services, which is now being actively promoted by the Western press, despite the recent well-known confession of Mikhail Podolyak from Zelensky's office.
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  1. +3
    12 August 2022 09: 10
    Well, if so, then let them only have victories and be in this field and so on to the Pshek border ...
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      1. -2
        12 August 2022 09: 50
        Fact, age d.b. 40 plus or minus a few years
        1. -1
          12 August 2022 16: 10
          must be
          1. 0
            12 August 2022 16: 12
            In video reports from Syria, at the beginning of the war, I saw concrete half-cylinders above the planes. At least some protection from splinters. You can also hide shells from drones like that
            1. 0
              12 August 2022 16: 59
              Close the planes with concrete arched shelters for millions of rubles, right? Close from March, no?
  2. Two
    +12
    12 August 2022 09: 12
    hi "Unfortunately, this time Russia was not up to the mark in the information confrontation, failing to clearly explain what happened at the military airfield."
    We are fine with this! Stability is a sign of excellence!
    They can’t (or don’t want to!) Explain anything clearly ... Some "talking heads"!
    1. +7
      12 August 2022 09: 25
      Quote: Dos
      : We're fine with that! Stability is a sign of excellence!
      They can’t (or don’t want to!) Explain anything clearly ... Some "talking heads"!

      Hence the distrust of society in these very talking heads, and then the authorities are surprised why the people do not believe it!
      1. AAK
        +10
        12 August 2022 10: 03
        Let's start with the next passage of this article - "... even in the event of the loss of several pieces of equipment, it is Russia that is conducting a successful offensive in the Donbass and Russian troops control more than 22% of the territory of Ukraine ...", that is, it directly refutes all comments on the events from the side of various officials of the Russian Federation about "... only ammunition", about "... there are no losses of military equipment ..." and other similar nonsense ... That is, the satellite images presented on the VO are also relatively correct, about destruction at caponier sites, about 8 or 9 Su-30SM and Su-24 aircraft destroyed, about 4 craters from explosions between caponiers (which somehow does not really fit with an explosion from one "bundled storage ..."
        That is, they blatantly lie to us, the citizens of Russia ... the question is in the reason, or they consider us all in a crowd to be complete oligophrenics in the third stage, or such rules of the game so that it does not happen, or we are silent from the word at all, or "... everything is fine, beautiful marquise..."
        1. +2
          12 August 2022 14: 52
          Please explain the need for the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation to report on all its actions, both current and proposed, to the general public. Is it really necessary to peck at the military every day that they are incompetent, do not know how to fight, commanders are fools, generals were preparing for the last war, etc. ... Do you think that disclosure of all information, constant reporting to the public and constant criticism (I admit that often and fair) will be useful and will bring closer the achievement of the goals of the JEE? You can criticize the results, having reliable information, and this will be useful and will not harm the army. Is it really incomprehensible that the Armed Forces, at any level of combat training and equipment, will always learn in the course of real combat operations. Mistakes are made by all the armies of the world. Not one plan is perfect, the main thing is that the military draw conclusions from their actions and not make mistakes in the future. So I remembered the first war in the Czech Republic. All the media gouged about how incompetent the army is, we are destroying the fighters for freedom and independence and trampling on the sprouts of democracy ... Officials said that we did not send you there and so on. Therefore, the participants in the database felt as if they had been spat on, that no one needed them, except for their relatives. At the same time, the troops fulfilled their duty and would have won if not for the shameful treacherous agreements. I believe that now is not the time to criticize the actions of the Armed Forces, to demand any account from them. The enemy deliberately fires at the civilian population, objects on the territory of Russia, pursues a policy of terrorism in order to cause discontent among citizens and interfere with the operation.
          You can minus.
          1. AAK
            +1
            12 August 2022 20: 50
            The question does not concern the need to explain the hostilities and the situation in the front zone. The incident happened in the rear, and - in the resort area, the victims - also civilians, in this case, the explanations are reasonable and necessary. It doesn't affect database members in any way...
        2. 0
          12 August 2022 17: 00
          Is it somehow you are not banned ???
          Close the planes with concrete arched shelters for millions of rubles, right? Close from March, no?
    2. +4
      12 August 2022 09: 32
      If Russia gives complete information, what will change? Whoever believes in Russia is faithful to her and will remain. Those who believe in the conspiracy theory or those who doubt, probably cannot be persuaded either. The ill-wishers of Russia will still be sure that the Ukrainians did it. So the Russian press supporting the reports of the Ministry of Defense is doing the right thing, gave information according to the reports and moved on. And let the other unbelievers and doubters think what they want.
      1. +6
        12 August 2022 09: 54
        Quote: svoroponov
        The ill-wishers of Russia will still be sure that the Ukrainians did it. So the Russian press supporting the reports of the Ministry of Defense is doing the right thing, gave information according to the reports and moved on. And others unbelievers and doubters let them think what they want.

        Unbelievers and doubters can multiply many times over. If our propagandists and talking heads continue to slow down ... chew snot .. Instant true with video reports from the place of events, resets on tg channels in YouTube. There is a strong information war going on!! Losing on this field is not allowed. Because it is the safety of the country first of all. And all sorts of excuses like whoever believes he believes ... wassat Bullshit . Can not ? So drive in three necks. To take those who can.
        1. 0
          12 August 2022 10: 07
          Those who do not believe or doubt in hostilities do not take part, as well as military planning decisions. Therefore, a little more of them a little less, it does not affect anything. There is a war in that chichle and an ideological one. Those interested in the decline of Russia have been spoiling and will continue to spoil, trying to fill the brains of people with all kinds of falsehood. We must believe in Russia, our Motherland, and then the informational trash will remain with them!
          In general, you have to be patient. I think sooner or later they will explain in more detail what happened in the area of ​​​​the airfield and why civilians and not the military died.
          1. -2
            12 August 2022 10: 16
            Quote: svoroponov
            dead = all civilians.

            There is such a thing as hired workers. Loaders , ammunition repairers , area cleaners . etc.
            1. 0
              12 August 2022 10: 38
              Of course, there is, but the teenager died there. He is from where at the airport. In general, there should be no civilians during the conduct of hostilities at the airfield.
              Most likely, the explosions could have occurred in the area of ​​​​the maintenance unit (TECh), located right next to the airfield, civilian specialists could also work there, especially since there were photos of damaged and burnt cars near the fence against the backdrop of the airfield. This could very well be.
              1. 0
                12 August 2022 12: 33
                Quote: svoroponov
                all the more there were photos of passenger cars damaged and burned out near the fence against the backdrop of the airfield.

                You probably haven’t seen how many cars are standing next to any military unit .. Dozens if the unit is small ...
                Quote: svoroponov
                In general, there should be no civilians during the conduct of hostilities at the airfield.

                Hired workers and employees are present and perform their official duties .. About a teenager ... Could be next to the unit. There, the residential sector comes close to the territory of the military unit. No need to complicate simple explanations.
                1. +1
                  13 August 2022 00: 23
                  Well, the ground crews may have cars, but this is a military airfield and similar parking lots, oh how far from the runways and aircraft parking lots. All personnel are brought to the airfield from the unit on the designated transport (bus) and they are also taken to the shift change or the end of the flight day.
                  1. 0
                    13 August 2022 09: 32
                    They may be brought to the airfield for special. transport . Specifically at the airport. For the sake of interest, open the map of Novofedorovka. Look at where the residential sector ends (private houses) and the territory of the military unit begins ... .1444527113&utm_source=main_stripe_big&z=2 Have you looked? Well, here's your answer. Lived during independence. the buildings and the airfield have essentially grown together .. And now only the homeless do not drive a car to work-service. Almost every family has a mashana, or even two.
          2. +10
            12 August 2022 13: 34
            Those who do not believe or doubt in hostilities do not take part, as well as military planning decisions. Therefore, a little more of them a little less, it does not affect anything.

            Oh, how do you think of your people! This is how Ukraine was squandered in the XNUMXs and XNUMXs, such as those who are for us, those who are for us, and do not care about the rest.
            But the West does not think so, and massively processes the brains of doubters, spending billions, and this brings results.
            And these doubters who "do not make decisions" will go to vote in 2024. For whom?
    3. -1
      12 August 2022 09: 47
      Quote: Dos
      They cannot (or do not want to!) clearly explain anything ...

      But you don’t admit that the investigation is still going on and that all kinds of versions should not be voiced ahead of time. Investigations into the causes of such fires and explosions, as a rule, are a lengthy process, if only because most of the material evidence either burns down or scatters around the neighborhood.
  3. +6
    12 August 2022 09: 19
    Unfortunately, Russia this time was not up to par in the information confrontation, failing to clearly explain what happened at the military airfield.
    Unfortunately, yes .. Detonation of ammunition, a ridiculous explanation .. They sorted and shifted them manually, and then this Vasily Alibabaevich ... this bad person ... he dropped a shell on his leg ... and everything exploded? And then, thanks to such indistinctness, fakes appear about Crimean partisans and prodigy attacks ..
    1. +3
      12 August 2022 09: 37
      Ammunition detonation is a perfectly normal explanation. And it can be caused by a lot of things. For example, a fire or an emergency/accident. In the meantime, the reason has not been established for sure, we may not have the desire to voice some kind of version, so that alarmists like you do not then yell: aaaaa, talking heads are lying to us !!!! Although the sufferers will always find a reason for such a cry.
    2. -3
      12 August 2022 09: 38
      And here is such information about the allegedly only transmitted by the Armed Forces of Ukraine OTRK ??? I hint that they have already been handed over and tested at the same airfield in the Crimea ...

      ] Sources on the network report sending the Kyiv regime at least 2 OTRK ATACMS (modification Block IIA)."Partners" are counting on the defeat of Russian targets by operational-tactical systems.

      (from myself - if block 2A is a range of 220 km, but they could shoot from ATACMS 2000 - already 300 km ... who knows what was transmitted)

      OTRK description: https://topwar.ru/180607-raketnyj-kompleks-atacms-v-ssha-i-za-rubezhom.html
      1. +4
        12 August 2022 10: 43
        Tochka missile. It is tracked very even by means of air defense.
        The operating airfield doesn’t have them? Do not spread untruths or anyone's assumptions.
        1. +1
          12 August 2022 11: 01
          True, not true ... but - The name of the new commander of the Russian Black Sea Fleet has become known This is reported by Rambler. Next: https://news.rambler.ru/army/49158963/?
          utm_content=news_media&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink


          less than a week has passed since the event at the airport ...



          Funnels are clearly visible and a dozen decent explosions the whole district heard, and some saw. videos on the net were spreading from different angles .... whether there was air defense or not ... but the commander was removed.

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          1. -1
            12 August 2022 11: 51
            For such processing, you need GRAD or TORNADO. Where are they from at their range. And I can photoshop for something like this in the picture, any airfield, the main thing is to perform a throw-in, and then they will figure it out, they will spend their nerves. There are already a lot of these on the web.

            In general, if you haven’t seen it yourself or it’s not confirmed by means of objective control or by means that you completely trust, then everything is considered simply a hoax.
            1. 0
              12 August 2022 12: 08
              Hymers is more than 300 km, officially 290. Most likely the latest version with anti-radar coverage. The size of the funnels indicates something similar.
          2. 0
            13 August 2022 00: 17
            Front-line aviation is not subordinate to the commander of the fleet, unless this one is naval aviation. Then it is necessary to remove the air defense and air force commanders, who did not provide protection. Only now the sides in the protective bunding are not the Su-24, but more like the MiG-23 and, it seems, one on the Su-27. In general, a very strange photo. How many flew, but such as this parking lot, I have never seen.
  4. -3
    12 August 2022 09: 23
    War always and everywhere requires a shake-up of personnel. Qualitatively different requirements for performers. Peacetime opportunists are not able to make competent decisions in a critical situation. U-2, in a word.
    What is U2? The first Y is to guess, the second Y is to please.
  5. -1
    12 August 2022 09: 23
    It seems that the airfield in Saki was simply not properly guarded. At night, a sabotage group came in with explosives and blew up everything that could be blown up (how many explosives were enough). And the planes are quite close to each other. More precisely, they were located
    1. +1
      12 August 2022 09: 28
      At night? But nothing that it was like during the day.
      1. 0
        12 August 2022 10: 36
        We went in at night, or early in the morning (but it's unlikely). Explosives were set on timers to leave before the explosions.
  6. -6
    12 August 2022 09: 24
    The counteroffensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be on the day of Zaporozhye, now there is an accumulation of forces, weapons and equipment from the west.
  7. +1
    12 August 2022 09: 25
    And is anyone from adequate people trying to deny it? Of course, this is a very heavy blow - in all respects, both materially and politically. Whatever the cause of this incident. Comparable to the death of the cruiser "Moskva".
    1. -1
      12 August 2022 09: 34
      Yes, that's just the reason for this incident people are most interested in. Is it clearly voiced? Or will it be like with the cruiser "Moscow"? We open Wiki, we read: "According to the statement of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, the cruiser sank as a result of a fire, which in turn led to the detonation of ammunition; the causes of the fire are not named."
      1. -4
        12 August 2022 09: 51
        The flagship of the Black Sea Fleet sank after a fire, while being towed, during a storm. Although the sea was completely calm.
  8. -6
    12 August 2022 09: 29
    There were more than enough witnesses of the arrival and they saw and heard. You can’t close your mouth to everyone. There was another blow not far from the km3-4 airfield. There was a big funnel. a strike on the bridge. the Americans worked out the reaction no People understand everything. We remember the cruiser Moscow, the parade in Sevastopol.
    1. +1
      12 August 2022 09: 41
      What is the evidence for your version?
      Or will it simply be the scattering of ammunition and the sounds of detonation from burning warehouses that will be given out for this? For in case of fire in any ammunition depot, they fly around the depot and tear there.
    2. -1
      12 August 2022 11: 16
      someone left. who stayed and what?
  9. HAM
    0
    12 August 2022 09: 29
    There is one more nuance in this matter - satellite images, when the Malaysian plane was shot down, there are still no images. And now with all the "details", with funnels, where necessary, please, in 15 minutes ...
    Yes, our Ministry of Defense mumbles something indistinct and so in everything .... although, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs behaves the same way - it expresses "concerns" where it is necessary to hit on the forehead (this is also about the Baltic fleas in particular) ... it's a shame, very .. .
    1. +3
      12 August 2022 11: 55
      1) What are you going to watch with satellite images? Beech is not a stationary object, it is on one span in one place, on another, in another. Plus, satellites shoot a specific object, and not a detailed coverage of 40 km around, so that those who wish can look out for pixels.

      2) Planet Labs didn't have a single optical satellite when the Boeing crashed. The satellite that filmed the airbase was launched in 2018, for example. Maksar also has August 14-16. Well, etc. At that time, the main satellites were closed to the public, as they were run by government agencies, and commercial satellites were just starting out at a quality level of 1.5 m per pixel (now they are preparing to launch 25 cm / pixel for comparison, and the industry standard is up to 75 cm / pixel ).

      3) This is still Maksar (the best quality now with 30cm / pixel) is stupid and does not upload. Just now there are hundreds of commercial satellites of optical, IR and radio sounding of the earth in good quality in orbit. Then there were only a few of them and mainly in other inclinations (at ISI - to their Middle East, Iran, Yemen, Libya, Africa, for example).
      1. 0
        12 August 2022 12: 03
        It was worth writing about Maksar, as he had already reported wassat .
  10. +1
    12 August 2022 09: 32
    Deputy Head and Head of the Press Service and Information Department of the Russian Ministry of Defense. Head of the Department of Information and Mass Communications of the Ministry of Defense of Russia.
    General Konashenkov. This man completely lost the inform war to zero, spoke deliberately false information several times, thereby lowering confidence in the army.
    I received a new title two months ago. This person works 3 minutes a day, holds a briefing for 3 MINUTES.
    We will learn about the prisoner exchanges ONLY when the Ukrainians say.
    This person is not only not fired, retired or reprimanded. He receives a new rank and continues to work.
    This is a crime against Russia, I think so
    You can call me whatever you want, dill or tsipso.
    1. -3
      12 August 2022 11: 18
      so his bosses think that he is doing everything right
  11. +4
    12 August 2022 09: 33
    They also forgot to write about "the equipment was not affected" and then the publication of satellite images with many burned-out aircraft. Zvizdunov from the Moscow Region was caught for his tongue.
  12. -6
    12 August 2022 09: 33
    Brits take care of your domestic problems...
    -------
    "Don't pay!" Britons massively refuse to pay electricity bills and launch protests against rising electricity prices

    In the UK, the “Don’t Pay!” flash mob, created by anonymous activists at the end of June, is gaining popularity – several tens of thousands of people have already joined the action. For example, one of the British teachers, who supported the protest against the increase in electricity prices, explained that she decided not to pay her bills in order to provide her family with basic necessities and food.

    “It's terrible, especially when there are three teenagers in the house. They are not yet old enough to go to work. They rely on us and it's really scary to think that you potentially can't provide for your children in this way," says the Sheffield teacher in an interview with The Guardian.

    Meanwhile, the country's authorities stubbornly ignore the demands of the population. The Telegraph reports that this could lead to problems for the British. Energy companies, against which, in particular, the flash mob is directed, are now not able to subsidize the payment of bills - in order to avoid problems, the government must introduce a social tariff that will allow the poor to pay for electricity in the coming winter, but the state authorities are resolutely in no hurry to do this.
    1. +2
      12 August 2022 12: 10
      They also lynch blacks laughing
  13. +1
    12 August 2022 09: 54
    Some conclusions will be drawn. The new fleet will definitely try to show that it was not very good before it, but now it will be hoo. The first rule of the new broom.
    The media effect is media, but I would like to hope that such an emergency at the Black Sea Fleet was the last time.
  14. -1
    12 August 2022 09: 58
    In fact, for such incidents, "heads and shoulder straps should fly" in any case. The people of Russia should also know the names of mediocre and negligent leaders. Repression in relation to such an awn will have a favorable effect on the "military feelings" of the people. Images from space show a "frightening lack" of camouflage and protection of equipment. The justification for the arrogant silence of the Russian Defense Ministry can only be that this is not the real planes, but their mock-ups. It's really hard to believe this. Most likely, the strikes were carried out by Ukrainian DRGs with the help of stealthy American or Israeli-made kamikaze drones, which were handed over to the “ukrams” from the British. After all, it was not for nothing that the Minister of Defense of England (Wallace) announced this strike with his statement that the objects of the military structure on the territory of Crimea are a legitimate target for the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
    1. -1
      12 August 2022 11: 18
      They removed the commander of the Black Sea Fleet yesterday
      1. -1
        12 August 2022 12: 06
        The commander of the Black Sea Fleet, then the commander of the unit on duty that day + Konashenkov. So if they fired me, I would clap my hands.
        And this is the replacement of the commander of the Black Sea Fleet, this is generally crap. I think in a couple of months they will be appointed to a new position of the same kind.
        1. -2
          12 August 2022 12: 28
          shouldn't have changed? change the commander of the unit !!!
    2. -1
      12 August 2022 12: 06
      The craters are too large, obviously not matching the ammunition storage areas. Only something large can leave such a funnel, obviously not a drone.
  15. +6
    12 August 2022 10: 03
    Judging by the huge number of recent satellite photos that match to the smallest detail, including in the infrared range, the losses are by no means only political and moral. Lost, according to my calculations, about 7 - 8 aircraft of 2 types - judging by the silhouettes of the Su-24 and Su-30. They already flew or stood broken, it doesn’t matter. 2 warehouses were smashed and the parking lot of employees' personal cars was epicly destroyed. The Chinese crossover is especially epicly perforated by a huge crumpled steel beam. Personally, I counted about 4 craters from explosions not related to the storage of ammunition, at least in the photo a few hours earlier nothing lay there and could hardly lie, because. these are either paths or parapets that protect aircraft. Personally, my opinion is definitely the arrival of a salvo of missiles, too large funnels for small drones. Let the miners first get acquainted with independent materials, and not with the blizzard that official propaganda brings about three ensigns smoking at the same time in different warehouses (explosions in the video are synchronized up to a second and spaced far enough away for secondary detonation).
    Yes, I wanted to post a couple of other dug photos here, but the restrictions of the site do not allow this, the campaign is possible only for especially trusted persons!
    1. -2
      12 August 2022 11: 22
      missiles are the least realistic option, most likely sabotage
      1. -1
        12 August 2022 13: 57
        rockets are the most option - did you see the funnels where the buildings used to be - where were the buildings?
        1. 0
          12 August 2022 14: 04
          missiles must be fixed even if the air defense did not shoot them down
          1. -2
            12 August 2022 14: 34
            but what about the fact that they come up with missiles that should go unnoticed by the enemy to the target
            1. -2
              12 August 2022 14: 38
              came up with these?
              1. 0
                12 August 2022 15: 02
                And what did you think? - No? They work day and night on it - to make such a weapon - so that it’s not noticeable where you want and it’s not clear who and how.
  16. -5
    12 August 2022 10: 15
    The trolls really want to be noticed and recognized as having an information front. And what is left for them? The front is moving in the right direction, they don’t give himras anymore, because. everything went wrong again. Paying attention to "info-victories" is the destiny of people who are confused, of little faith. The war is won by all sorts of cunning operations only when the government is weak, when the government can be manipulated. It’s hard for us to imagine that someone will run to take a selfie with Skobeeva or with a Podlyak, but they are filmed with an arrest officer. Why? after all, they all carry a blizzard with one or another share of personal talent, but the average tactician is confused, he is afraid in his soul, he knows how it will all end. And the arrest officer reassures him, gives him hope that not everything has fallen yet.
    Russians do not need such "hope", we are confident in victory and will endure all hardships, The only thing we are afraid of is betrayal at the top, betrayal, but this seems to have already been sorted out. In addition, most of the traitors themselves fled from Russia.
    So it remains for all these cunning and smart "masters of souls", trolls and other bloggers to broadcast something there, invent some kind of "victories" and lie, lie, lie.
    We understand that Konashenkov has long buried all uroaviation and it is not clear who still remained there, although the war is going on more and more fiercely. But we still Trust our Army and the President and we know that we WILL WIN!
    1. +4
      12 August 2022 10: 28
      Personally, I know that we will win, I know that we need to unite, but outright lies are corrupting society, trust in the authorities is being lost and they are hiding outright facts of inaction, inconsistency with the position held and outright facts of sabotage by those in power. So the truth is a pill from the above.
      1. -3
        12 August 2022 11: 16
        How do you see it for yourself? Konoshenkov reports all the losses, people and equipment, we read everything and take part in the voting on a special site like mos.ru.
        For omissions that led to the explosion at the Zadripan warehouse:
        Warehouse manager:
        a. shoot
        b. plant for 100 years
        in. demote to corporal
        d. expel to ..... from the army without the right to wear a uniform
        flogged
        Make decisions based on the voting results.
        Is this how it should look?
        A tablet is great, the main thing is not to purgen, otherwise it will take a long time to puff (recall 1 Chechen)
    2. GNM
      -3
      12 August 2022 11: 08
      Quote: Petrik66
      The trolls really want to be noticed and recognized as having an information front. And what is left for them? The front is moving in the right direction, they don’t give himras anymore, because. everything went wrong again. Paying attention to "info-victories" is the destiny of people who are confused, of little faith. The war is won by all sorts of cunning operations only when the government is weak, when the government can be manipulated. It’s hard for us to imagine that someone will run to take a selfie with Skobeeva or with a Podlyak, but they are filmed with an arrest officer. Why? after all, they all carry a blizzard with one or another share of personal talent, but the average tactician is confused, he is afraid in his soul, he knows how it will all end. And the arrest officer reassures him, gives him hope that not everything has fallen yet.
      Russians do not need such "hope", we are confident in victory and will endure all hardships, The only thing we are afraid of is betrayal at the top, betrayal, but this seems to have already been sorted out. In addition, most of the traitors themselves fled from Russia.
      So it remains for all these cunning and smart "masters of souls", trolls and other bloggers to broadcast something there, invent some kind of "victories" and lie, lie, lie.
      We understand that Konashenkov has long buried all uroaviation and it is not clear who still remained there, although the war is going on more and more fiercely. But we still Trust our Army and the President and we know that we WILL WIN!

      Bravo!
      Yesterday I wrote about the same thing, scored a bunch of minuses. It turns out that mothers and wives, pregnant women and pensioners cannot sleep unless they find out exactly how many planes were destroyed!
      To inflate other people's troubles and rejoice in them, even if this is not your merit - the lot of losers - which Ukraine proves. It is a pity that we have many sympathizers with them.
      You need to rejoice and flaunt your victories on the battlefields - which Russia, together with adequate people, is doing.
    3. 0
      12 August 2022 15: 04
      https://topwar.ru/200210-v-kieve-soobschili-o-pribytii-na-ukrainu-partii-rszo-m270-mlrs-iz-velikobritanii.html
      1. 0
        12 August 2022 16: 56
        And the United States and Great Britain became 25 less MLRS ...
        and what if there are three more? Well, you had a million javelins and a million stingers. Are you afraid that you will drive the Russians to the Urals? And How? don’t drive anymore, and there’s already talk about himrases ...... the result is the same, so don’t bother.
  17. +2
    12 August 2022 10: 44
    >>The Guardian considers some possible versions of the attack on the ammunition depot by the Ukrainian military. So, it could have been inflicted, from the point of view of the publication, with the help of a kamikaze drone, which was controlled by saboteurs<
    The same publication contains two pictures of the airfield before and after.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/11/ukraine-attack-russian-airbase-saky-crimea-send-message-moscow-propaganda-victory
    Which raises more and more questions, look carefully at these pictures and you will have questions about how the plane burned down, and nearby it didn’t even change color.


    1. +1
      12 August 2022 12: 07
      It happens, especially in caponiers. I have already removed Maksar (that is, 2 systems - PlanetLabs with its satellites and WordView from Maksar).



  18. 0
    12 August 2022 10: 49
    They hit Russia - you need to use any weapon in response.
  19. +2
    12 August 2022 10: 56
    Yeah, our talking heads can only chew snot. However, the system is designed in such a way that this does not prevent them from rising in ranks, so everything is fine, beautiful marquise.
  20. +4
    12 August 2022 10: 59
    As sad as it is absolutely correct.
  21. -2
    12 August 2022 11: 01
    Quote from usm5
    for such incidents "heads and epaulettes must fly" in any case.

    Did many of them fly off after the sinking of the Moscow?
    1. -4
      12 August 2022 11: 50
      With "Moscow" no one is to blame. Ammunition exploded, a fire broke out. When towing, during a storm, the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet drowned. True, the sea was completely calm.
      1. +2
        12 August 2022 12: 02
        So the mess in the fleet is to blame. Then why is the commander of the fleet still in command of the fleet, and not a company somewhere in the north? In the aggregate of his incompetence, it is high time!
      2. 0
        12 August 2022 14: 57
        where does the information on calm come from?
        1. -2
          13 August 2022 09: 00
          Look at the photo while drowning. What is the flagship of the Navy? Ammunition detonation, fire. By the way, out of 7 fire pumps, only 2 worked. Of these two, one died almost immediately. And drown the flagship too quickly. There was no fight for survivability. So or not?
          1. -1
            13 August 2022 17: 48
            You did not answer the question. Where does the information about the calm come from? you, as is customary with trolls, are trying to translate from the lies on which you were caught to other topics. Finished with another question. ONCE AGAIN - WHERE IS THE INFORMATION ABOUT STEEL?
            1. -1
              13 August 2022 21: 43
              However, according to the Windy application, which allows you to check weather conditions in the past, the wind in the Black Sea in the Crimea region did not exceed 10 m/s. According to the International Beaufort Marine Scale, such a wind is considered "fresh" at worst - in order for the weather to be considered a "storm", the wind must be twice as strong.
              1. 0
                13 August 2022 21: 59
                [quote = Bronik] With "Moscow" no one is to blame. Ammunition exploded, a fire broke out. When towing, during a storm, the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet drowned. True, the sea was completely calm.
                That is, there was no calm. Congratulations mister sovramshi.
  22. -3
    12 August 2022 11: 06
    The department operates according to the well-known principle: "Sapper shovels are not to be taken: there is no sapper shovel - only a drawback." And perhaps the deaf silence of the "incident" is due to the fact that the airfield on the constitutional territory of the Russian Federation was destroyed by ATACMS missiles and increased social obligations were taken. Both options are worse.
  23. 0
    12 August 2022 13: 42
    that even in the event of the loss of several units of equipment, and how many units are lost there?
    1. +1
      12 August 2022 15: 33
      The general does not speak. And according to the published photographs, we can conclude that in a couple of seconds the entire airfield ceased to exist. It's something special. By the way, no one in NATO really hides the fact that this is a war. Only we have "VSO mode". But it is said in Scripture: "An eye for an eye, an airbase for an airbase."
      1. -1
        12 August 2022 17: 59
        yes, someone so robustly hit it, rockets probably passed at low altitude over the sea, just there half an elbow from NATO
  24. 0
    12 August 2022 18: 03
    The rat smells whose meat it ate! So it squeals! Infection!
  25. +1
    12 August 2022 18: 12
    the fact that konashenkov is a complete mediocrity = factual fact.
    If he had an officer's and professional conscience, he would have retired long ago.

    With such a title, they command armies and districts, and not a gang of someone's mediocre sons-nephews in a mediocre office.

    And orders, by the way, military, he has - like a fool candy wrappers.
    At the same time, they listen to completely private individuals - Yura Podolyaka and Misha Onufrienko, and not this one.

    In short, among the complete failures in the NWO - ALL official information work of the Ministry of Defense
  26. +1
    12 August 2022 21: 49
    I read the comments and somehow it became sad. We are all ready to "crap" the leadership of the army at every opportunity. This is a war! Why didn’t it occur to anyone that both in the case of the cruiser Moscow and in the case of the airfield, weapons were used against us, from which there is no defense yet? Why didn’t it occur to anyone that mock-ups of aircraft were standing and damaged (burned out) at the airfield?
    1. 0
      16 August 2022 20: 42
      SHOOTING CONTINUOUSLY ON Ukrainian DEFICACY!!! AND TO HAVE WITHOUT ANY DOL-prisoners !!
  27. 0
    16 October 2022 08: 30
    Quote: Raven-95
    Ukraine and profukali in the zero and nineties

    so those who profukal today are already in the ground. There was betrayal, not spitting. That's why we're breaking it down now. As a result of their actions, for a long time it was not possible not only to study, but also not to have enough resources to deal with themselves.