German politician: Only 5 out of 15 PzH 2000 self-propelled guns delivered to Ukraine are in service

As part of military assistance to Kyiv, Germany sent 10 PzH 2000 self-propelled guns to Ukraine, and the Netherlands provided five more self-propelled guns. However, they could not help the Armed Forces of Ukraine much. Bundestag deputy from the FDP party Markus Faber personally visited Ukraine from 3 to 10 August, visiting Kyiv, Kharkov, Kramatorsk and Slavyansk. During the inspection, the German politician unexpectedly learned that ten self-propelled guns were already out of order. Moreover, not at all because of the Russian artillery strikes.

The vaunted German quality did not stand the test in real combat conditions, as a result, two-thirds of the Panzerhaubitze 2000 simply broke down "due to heavy use." The spare parts that come with the guns, according to the German politician, "are not always suitable for current repairs." In addition, many howitzers are so damaged that they require major repairs, which can only be done in a special workshop.

On the front, it's not always so easy. Although the Ukrainians are optimistic that they can restore combat readiness. But they also say they need their own repair capability in Ukraine. Otherwise, they would have to release howitzers from the country again

- Faber said in an interview with the German television channel N-tv, specifying that "not a single self-propelled gun was destroyed by Russian shelling."

The German politician, impressed, among other things, by visiting the front line in the Donbass, where “the Russians are still moving forward,” demanded an increase in military assistance to Ukraine now.

Ukrainians ordered 100 tank howitzers "in Germany", but they will not be ready until the end of next year. Is it not possible now to give Ukraine more, and then replenish our own stocks from the Ukrainian order

- considers the German deputy, without thinking at all: what if something happens then Germany will fight?

Faber also called for urgently handing over German tanks to the Armed Forces of Ukraine. True, just in case, he made a reservation that although the Ukrainians are asking for a modern Leopard 2, the Leopard 1 will do for them, because “a tank is better than not a tank.”

Comments

[cniza]

The Ukrainians have ordered 100 tank howitzers "in Germany", but they will not be ready until the end of next year.

Will Ukraine remain by this time?

[rocket757]

Hi
The bigwigs of the modern military-industrial complex are interested in doing more ... if it doesn’t work out more, then it’s definitely much more expensive !!! which suits them well.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: rocket757

The bigwigs of the modern military-industrial complex are interested in doing more ... if it doesn’t work out more, then it’s definitely much more expensive !!! which suits them well.

Well, with such anti-advertising - 2/3 of the number of self-propelled guns are no longer combat-ready even without fire damage, business may not work out ...

[rocket757]

It’s not only anti-advertising, how were they going to fight with such equipment ???
An excerpt from "17 Moments of Spring" immediately comes to mind ... the revelation of a German general why Germany will lose the war !!!

[Cottodraton]

Yesterday I saw how the lancet caught up with one of these self-propelled guns .... but, of course, they do not suffer from counter-battery actions ... yes, yes

[cniza]

Quote: rocket757

Hi
The bigwigs of the modern military-industrial complex are interested in doing more ... if it doesn’t work out more, then it’s definitely much more expensive !!! which suits them well.

Good time!

Yes, and they need local wars, but in this case it comes back to haunt them ...

[private person]

Faber also called for urgently handing over German tanks to the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

And also let them give the turbine as lamas so that they supply fart gas to the Germans.

[Alex777]

Quote: cniza

Will Ukraine remain by this time?

There will be more by the end of next year. But here
whether these guns will be needed is a big question.

[The black]

Well, how can I not remember?
-Listen, do you know how many machine guns we have? We have seven of them.
— What are you talking about? Yes, I'm a machine gunner myself!
- Can you do it?
- Well, whatever.
- Three pieces - nothing, but the other three pieces ... One sticks, the other jumps like crazy. And the third, the bastard, shoots in his own. And the seventh, a secret from Pan Ataman, I traded for these panties.

[Alex777]

It seems to me that after the deoligarchization of Ukraine,
"voluntary" contributions, for payments to mercenaries and
other "volunteer battalions" should be greatly reduced.
Akhmetov is already being hinted that he should return to
Ukraine, but for some reason he began to hear badly. Here
and let's see how the lads without a penny will fight.

[neworange88]

During the inspection, the German politician unexpectedly learned that ten self-propelled guns were already out of order. Moreover, not at all because of the Russian artillery strikes.

There is something to think about and arrange a debriefing. Why was not a single Panzerhaubitze 2000 destroyed?

Over the past few weeks, a group of Russian servicemen have been studying on Iranian territory as part of an agreement on military assistance for the supply of UAVs from Iran to the Russian Federation. In particular, they studied the operation of the Shahed-191 and Shahed-129 drones. In turn, Tehran denies that it is going to supply scarce UAVs to Moscow, which is also experiencing a shortage of such weapons systems.

The Russian military has begun training to operate the Iranian Shahed-191 and Shahed-129 attack drones. This may indicate that the Russian Federation intends to purchase such UAVs, CNN said in one of its reports.

https://topcor.ru/27392-cnn-rossijskie-specialisty-uzhe-obuchajutsja-upravleniju-iranskimi-bpla.html

[Flooding]

Quote from: neworange88

Again, we are learning from Iran to use drones. We survived

First:
not the fact that the information from CNN is reliable
The second:
learn how to operate equipment from its manufacturer in the norm of things.
This is not identical to what you wrote "learning to apply"

[House 25 Sq. 380]

told CNN in one of its reports.

Xianen won't lie...

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: House 25 Sq. 380

Xianen won't lie...

[Sydor Kovpak]

It is also necessary to recognize Ukraine as a terrorist state. And everyone who helps her with weapons is recognized as accomplices of terrorism. Shooting at the ZNPP, at dams, and at containers with chemicals proves this.

[rocket757]

German politician: Only 5 out of 15 PzH 2000 self-propelled guns delivered to Ukraine are in service

Optimistic!
However, the rest did not have long to puff ...

[GNM]

... The Ukrainians ordered 100 tank howitzers "in Germany", but they will not be ready until the end of next year. Is it not possible now to give Ukraine more, and then replenish our own stocks from the Ukrainian order
- considers the German deputy, without thinking at all: what if something happens then Germany will fight? ...

Giving the last shirt to the poor, you thereby insult and humiliate him, stating his insolvency. (C) I read it in a book about psychology.

[Tochilka]

I had seen the photo of the howitzer before, but only now I peered and it became creepy. there is something very sinister about her. maybe it's the genes of my heroic sapper grandfather. who had seen enough of them.

[Leshak]

Looks a little like a fascist Ferdinand.

The Ferdinands also did not fight for a long time, they quickly became scrap metal.

[House 25 Sq. 380]

During the inspection, the German politician unexpectedly learned that ten self-propelled guns were already out of order. Moreover, not at all because of the Russian artillery strikes.

Under the fire of Russian artillery, the reliability indicator of German self-propelled guns "decreased" sharply and they began to require major repairs ...

[Got it]

German technology has been too confused all its life, too high-tech, and maintainability is more in replacing elements than directly in repair, for greenhouse conditions it is shorter. In this case, real, intense fighting, and even with such attendants)). Here is the result!

[tihonmarine]

True, just in case, he made a reservation that although the Ukrainians are asking for a modern Leopard 2, the Leopard 1 will do for them, because “a tank is better than not a tank.”

"After all, dung is better than gas!" - for them and dung for happiness.

[HAM]

"...... Isn't it possible now to give Ukraine more ...."
As THIS reminds: give your wife to your uncle, and go through the forest yourself ...
As for the turbine, let Scholz once a month, maybe more often, go to visit her and kiss her with love ...

[Andy_nsk]

As for the turbine, let Scholz once a month, maybe more often, go to visit her and kiss her with love ...

Gazprom and I do not trust Scholz's inspection of the turbine. Now, if Ursula von der Leyen professionally inspected the turbine, then it could be safely put into operation!

[Artillerieunteroffizier]

In Germany, the FDP is a very small party, with only a few percentage points, so it doesn't really matter what a member of the Bundestag considers a performance. There's always a bunch of people making speeches. Since the FRG is becoming more and more like Mogadishu, the first thing you notice is how everything turned out with a bang in the GDR.

[Aviator_]

Since the FRG is becoming more and more like Mogadishu, the first thing you notice is how everything turned out with a bang in the GDR.

And was it worth breaking the Berlin Wall for this? However, everything is the same with us, the USSR was also broken.

[v1tz]

Resource-intensive technology that requires attention. It also needs a wagon to supply it and follow the regulations with specialists. We use Western equipment at work, there is almost none of ours, due to the specifics, if it is written to change some parts, then it is better to change, again, everything depends on service centers or trained people, sometimes you have to collective farm.

[K-50]

"not a single self-propelled gun was destroyed by Russian shelling."

For that, they shed enough Russian blood with strikes on the cities of the DPR and LPR.
The Germans, and we have not yet forgotten what happened in the 41-45th years of the last century, and with pleasure we will take revenge once again, so to speak, as a warning to your descendants.
The more you harm Russia, the stronger your "edification" will be.
Don't exaggerate!!!

[APASUS]

Faber said in an interview with the German television channel N-tv, specifying that "not a single self-propelled gun was destroyed by Russian shelling."

,
Oh, these storytellers. I myself saw a video on the net of how the Lancet UAV gets into the back of the PzH 2000 turret. Moreover, the shooting was carried out from two places at once.

[Vladimir 290]

into the category of broken as a result of intensive use moved.

[Cheerock]

Quote: APASUS

Oh, these storytellers. I myself saw a video on the net of how the Lancet UAV gets into the back of the PzH 2000 turret. Moreover, the shooting was carried out from two places at once.

They write that something - M109 was

[iouris]

They put in three times more.
Soon the F-16s will arrive.
ATACMS most likely arrived yesterday.
Well? We must do something.

[alexey sidykin]

Do you know how to read? They don't have too much, they don't. Europa already gave everything she could and more from above. Or maybe it can’t, and most likely leave the grandmothers on the benches.

[Dr. Barmaley]

although the Ukrainians are asking for a modern Leopard 2, Leopard 1 will do for them

That's right, the Papuans and the boomerang will do, there is nothing to pamper them.
It would be time for the Sumerians to master the cargo cult of their Pacific brothers. Build models of aircraft and tanks from branches in order to attract real cars with this magic.

[Fitter65]

I look at the photo of the PzH 2000, it really looks like the re-advertised self-propelled guns of the Second World War - "Ferdinand", so to speak "Ferdinand" - of the apocalypse. Well, we remember well what happened to the Ferdinands, and the same thing is happening with these 2000s ...

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Fitter65

Well, what happened to the "Ferdinands" we remember well,

The broken-down "Tigers" were taken to the Czech Republic for repairs. Didn't learn anything...

[Fitter65]

Quote: Vasyan1971

The broken-down "Tigers" were taken to the Czech Republic for repairs. Didn't learn anything...

Czechs too.

[Mavrikiy]

two-thirds of the Panzerhaubitze 2000 simply broke down "due to heavy use."

If you give the pygmies a microscope, they will also have fun hammering nails.

[Zenn]

Well, why would the Russian Defense Ministry put the destruction of these self-propelled guns as a priority goal, if they are in repair shops, they have no influence on military operations. They will be captured during the advance, or when the repair bases hit their assigned targets.

[Kiril Letov]

What a delicate weapon. This self-propelled guns belong in the greenhouse and not at the front.

[valentine light]

Deputy Faber is either deliberately disingenuous or not at all in the subject


Rambler:
"On Sunday, July 3, it became known that Russian troops took possession of the German PzH 2000 howitzer, which was supplied by Germany for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. This is reported by the information publication Bild."

[Okakakiev]

The Nazis made a tiger again

[RaccoonSnake]

Nevertheless, this is enough for the extremely slow advance of the Russian troops. All these tearful articles have one true message: "give more money to the military-industrial complex!"