For whom is the requiem today

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From the editorial board: this material reflects the opinion of its author, but for those readers who want to fully understand the issue, on the advice of the writer, we recommend that you study the materials to which he refers. Without this, the article may seem somewhat one-sided. For our part, having talked with Vladimir Postnikov, we (along with the experts from Rubin and Malachite, who gave their reviews) confirm the level of the author's competence and, in turn, urge not to consider the material as criticism.




Scientific truth triumphs as
how its opponents die.

Max Planck

I was prompted to write this article by another article that was published here in the “Opinions” section of August 3rd. Artem Khvaleba's Requiem for Russia's Unmanned Strikers.

The author tried to analyze the problem. How could, and analyzed.

I quote:

“In my opinion, as a person who sincerely worries about this problem, the main obstacles in Russia to the creation of a large and combat-ready fleet unmanned aerial vehicles of all types can be reduced to three positions.

And he defines these three positions as problems with engines, with an electronic component base and satellite communications. Then he draws his conclusion that "every cricket should know his hearth."

I immediately had a question: why does the author not try to analyze the problem, limiting himself only to stating the facts? It is clear that the problem lies deeper. And all the "engines", "component bases" and "satellite communications" are only a natural consequence of this problem.

Attack underwater drones


I suggest Artyom, as well as other “sincerely worried” people, to get acquainted with my analysis of this problem, but only on the example of underwater droneswhich I have been doing for over a quarter of a century.

I proposed the concept of attack underwater drones at the end of March 1999, when NATO countries began to bomb Yugoslavia. Even then I saw the danger of a monopolar world, after which I turned to the Russian leadership with a proposal to create attack underwater drones based on my concept of SFTS cargo underwater drones. Previously, reviews on the SFTS concept were written by specialists from Malachite and Rubin, who, by the way, confirmed my authorship of this architecture.

But, to my great regret, Yevgeny Primakov and Yuri Maslyakov (the last head of the USSR State Planning Committee and the savior of the Russian economy in 1998) Yeltsin removed everything in the same 1999. I tried again at the end of 1999 after Yevgeny Primakov was replaced by Vladimir Putin. My proposal was considered, after which Lev Sidorenko, chairman of the Marine Scientific Committee of the RF Ministry of Defense, sent me his strange answer. I then answered him that his answer was stupid.

A year later, the United States withdrew from the ABM treaty. This was a serious reason for me to again send my proposal to the Administration of the President of the Russian Federation. And then the Kursk sank, and torpedoes were immediately blamed for everything. Well, as a “good host”, I sent an addition so that those torpedoes that could be dangerous for aircraft submarines would not be decommissioned, since they could be used in underwater drones.

The answer came from the same official of the Ministry of Defense - L. Sidorenko, which began like this:

“On behalf of the Deputy Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation, the Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation and the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy, with the involvement of specialists from the Navy, the Russian Academy of Sciences and industry, your appeal on the implementation of proposals in the field of improving industrial and transport programs, including the creation of combat systems for the Navy, has been reconsidered . Your idea..."

And the letter ended with the words:

“We are always sympathetic to all ideas, including yours, to ensure the national security of Russia, but I would consider it appropriate to stop correspondence on this issue with the Ministry of Defense.”

And again - the signature of L. Sidorenko.

Stop talking to him? Yes, I wrote to him two years before what I think of him! The second time I did not write to the Ministry of Defense, which is clear even from his second letter.

Why am I stating this in such detail here? Yes, because it is this official of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, after eight years, having retired, he will sit in the chair of the general designer of Rubin (without being a designer for a single day before) and begin to cut budget money on Status-6, "leaked" in November 2015 and famous in the cartoons of 2017 (for some reason in the form of "Harpsichord"), to then smoothly flow into "Poseidon"! This one turned out to be interesting story what is not yet and what turned out to be a reality.

Already after the second answer by L. Sidorenko, I realized that the issue with attack drones was closed, and I continued to deal with my transport underwater drones. I suggested a small version of the SFTS-1500 with half-height containers that stacked one on top of the other to form a standard container. This is an interesting proposition in my opinion. was considered Central Research Institute. Krylova in 2006.

Their feedback was that the project would cost several billion dollars. Why? No one answered this question for me at the time. Nobody discussed it with me. Answered and closed the curtain. Something similar happened later with Limanda for the Baltic in 2015. Then there was the Polar Route promo project in 2016, which again meant Limanda. As a result, there is no Limanda, and Finland and Sweden joined NATO.

In 2004, I wrote a futuristic forecast in fiction set in 2020. There I listed a list of promising R&D that were relevant, in my opinion at the time (I recently sent a copy of this forecast to the editors of VO, since this story can no longer be considered futuristic, I decided to deposit it with historians). Considering it useful for acquaintance, I sent it to the Administration of the President of the Russian Federation at the end of 2004. And on February 2005, XNUMX, I sent him to the Ministry of Defense and somewhere else.

My story turned out to be more optimistic than the subsequent reality (this is me to the fact that someone may consider me a pessimist). The coincidence of what was predicted with today should not be considered either as an accident or as a gift from God. This is only a consequence of proper education and my good analytical skills. Be that as it may, there was no reaction.

And then in 2005 I decided to dig deeper. The most worthy criticism is when, by criticizing someone else's solution to a problem, you can offer a different solution, yourself becoming the object of criticism. In this case, the involved specialists have the opportunity to find the optimal solution through comparison. It is no coincidence that the scales symbolize justice.

"Sixtieth Latitude"


Thus was born the concept of "Sixtieth Latitude", which in June 2005 I sent out to all bodies of the central government of the Russian Federation, as well as to the involved regional ones, to the Russian Academy of Sciences and to the leadership of the main political parties (with the exception of the Liberal Democratic Party).

This work consists of two parts: optimistic (what should be done) and pessimistic (why it will not be done). And it was in the pessimistic part that I described “the main obstacles in Russia to the creation of a large and combat-ready fleet of unmanned aerial vehicles of all types”, which were neither “engines”, nor “electronic component base”, nor “satellite communications”.

And the main obstacle there is the absence of a clear and precise ideology. If there is no ideology, there can be no plan. There is no plan - there will be no engines, no bases, no communications. Entropy will also be stolen if there is a buyer for it.

Seventeen years have passed, but even today I consider the concept of "Sixtieth Latitude" to be my most significant work. Of the significant changes in recent years, only the refusal to build ordinary (not high-speed) railways can be noted in it, due to create concepts of the Global Intelligent Transport System (GITS).

If the GITS line is stretched from St. Petersburg to Magadan or Ayan, then at the speed set in the system of 90 km/h, freight and passenger trolleybuses will cover this route in three days. And at a speed of 135 km / h - for two. And it will be the safest transportation system, because the speed is relatively low, and the active and passive safety systems are the most reliable. It is not speed that kills a person in traffic accidents, but the absolute value of acceleration, which the safety systems at the speeds mentioned above will allow to reduce to safe values.

But the Russian leadership did not even discuss the GITS system, investing public funds in a "super-speed" Hyperloop. What was it? Corruption scam? Maybe. But as a result, we have only a large hyperloop. I immediately remember: “We have the means. We are not smart enough."

By the way, the GITS system organically emerged from the Sixtieth Latitude. Thinking about railroad automation, I came to the conclusion that it is easier to replace the rail track with a roadbed than to try to automate railroad switches.

The refusal of the leadership of the Russian Federation to even discuss the concept of "Sixtieth Latitude" ideally coincides with the well-known image of "dogs in the manger." And for this reason alone, I allow myself to make a prediction that if the concept of "Sixtieth Latitude" is not adopted for implementation in the next ten years, then Russia will not remain within its current borders this century. This is my prediction. And as it turned out, I'm a good forecaster. However, this prediction is for posterity. Even if the implementation of the Sixtieth Latitude starts today, I still won’t see it in reality. And that's okay. The Chinese wall was built by many generations of Chinese. Sometimes in history people have been able to work for the future.

It is worth starting to discuss the "Sixtieth Latitude", and it will immediately become clear why it was here that nature gave us a chance that we still do not even discuss. And yet, this concept of the “collective West” is at the throat, but even today the West manages to control our government.

So for whom is the requiem today?
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  1. +11
    15 August 2022 16: 14
    The West even today manages to control our government.
    The question is not debatable, it just needs to be considered differently.
    What is the difference between the Western ones and the ones that are ruling us now??? Is there any difference???
  2. +12
    15 August 2022 16: 19
    To be honest, I didn't understand anything... request
    1. +5
      15 August 2022 16: 30
      Quote: Alien From
      To be honest, I didn't understand anything... request

      It's just that the author of the CHSV is scratching his own.
      But the Russian leadership did not even discuss the GITS system, investing public funds in a "super-speed" Hyperloop. What was it? Corruption scam? Maybe. But as a result, we have only a large hyperloop. I immediately remember: “We have the means. We are not smart enough."

      Russia has not invested a dime in the Hyperloop. They said that the Russians are too poor to buy such tickets and the topic died out. Yes, and it was understood only because Putin highly appreciated the system, and thereby gave impetus to the idea to calculate
      http://ipem.ru/files/files/research/20190705_ekspertnoe_mnenie_hyperloop.pdf
       The main consumer of the Hyperloop transport system with the calculated
      ticket price can only be the business community and the population with high
      level of prosperity, but this audience will not be able to provide passenger traffic,
      necessary for the payback of the project in the foreseeable future. Concerning
      construction of the Hyperloop system between Moscow and St. Petersburg with the expectation of
      income from operation looks unreasonable, even though significant
      the need for the growth of transport links between the two agglomerations.
    2. +4
      15 August 2022 16: 31
      Quote: Alien From
      To be honest, I didn't understand anything... request


      "for those readers who want to fully understand the issue, on the advice of the writer, we recommend that you study the materials to which he refers. Without this, the article may seem somewhat one-sided."

      Apparently, you need to wait for the publication of the entire pool of articles by the author. And then slowly and thoughtfully re-read them with all the references and footnotes.
      1. +8
        15 August 2022 16: 39
        Easy to find. Postnikov Vladimir Nikolaevich "Project sixtieth parallel" Enjoy reading, sorry, I could not master it, because I'm a techie.
        1. +2
          15 August 2022 16: 45
          Quote: tralflot1832
          sorry, I could not master it, because I'm a techie.

          So is this a philosophical thing?
          So I'll like it.
      2. +11
        15 August 2022 17: 17
        Quote: Flood
        Apparently, you need to wait for the publication of the entire pool of articles by the author. And then slowly and thoughtfully reread them.

        And it won't work quickly. The concept is quite complicated, but it has the right to exist. And I understand the officials who kicked the author back, he offers something grandiose in scale that can make Russia a world leader. Comparable to Stalin's industrialization. And why should they scratch? They are doing well as it is. And we are wasting time. Irrevocably.
    3. -1
      15 August 2022 17: 19
      It seems to me that much becomes clear if we present this article as a laudatory ode to oneself (ie, the author).
      The entire article consists of "I proposed, I designed, I wrote" and so on. in the same vein.
      On the one hand, one can understand a person who believes that he has developed something magical and universal, without which the country will wither and wither. But if you think about it, every second person in our country knows how to run the state, play football and manage the housing office.
      This article reminds me of an interview with some average actor (director, athlete, etc.), in which he, with sarcasm and poorly concealed dislike, tries to blame all his failures and failures on some evil officials, party apparatchiks, mistresses of directors, and at the end of each paragraph - "Well, I told you, but you didn't listen to me!".
      In my opinion, this is the second article of the author, and both are approximately in the same style.
      1. +10
        15 August 2022 17: 42
        Quote: Proton
        "Well, I told you, but you didn't listen to me!"

        It just feels like the author is tired of knocking on all doors for decades. And his concept is really extraordinary. I read it fluently, it's too complicated for my brains. In the meantime, it looks like China is doing something similar. Only sooner.
      2. -1
        16 August 2022 06: 57
        "I suggested, I designed, I wrote"

        Duc, and if this is the case in reality, then what to write in the article? Subscribe with a pseudonym?
      3. -1
        16 August 2022 15: 36
        I remember his article about underwater drones, which, as advertising, were supposed to carry cars along the Northern Sea Route. As a techie, he also did not master this nonsense.
    4. +5
      15 August 2022 18: 31
      What is incomprehensible here? The man turned to the state with a proposal. The enemies of the people culturally sent him on an erotic journey on foot. And after that, history repeated itself many times. Think about it.
    5. +6
      16 August 2022 08: 23
      And what is incomprehensible here? Everything is clear as daylight. Corruption and nepotism are rampant in the country. Personally, I also had to face the problems described by the author. I don't know what needs to happen in the country for something to change. That under EBN there was a "greasy deck" hanging out, what is it now. The reason is simple, capitalism in its particularly cynical and predatory form, namely, raw material, oligarchic, and there is no change in sight.
  3. +8
    15 August 2022 16: 23
    It's amazing how brilliant people have enough nerves and how blockheads get into power structures?
    1. +5
      15 August 2022 16: 36
      Quote: marchcat
      how brilliant people lack nerves

      On the contrary, people with a highly organized nervous system usually cannot boast of its stability.
      They are too vulnerable and vulnerable precisely because of their susceptibility.

      But "blockheads" are often distinguished by bulletproof thick skin. What is called "with ... s in the eyes - God's dew"
    2. Alf
      +5
      15 August 2022 18: 12
      Quote: marchcat
      How do idiots get into power structures?

      Very simple. Blockheads have a common unifying feature - loyalty to those who appointed. As well as confidence in their infallibility and the stupidity of others. From the motto-I am the boss, you are...ak.
  4. -1
    15 August 2022 16: 39
    The author should study the experience of other "head punchers" in our country, and calm down a little himself, because this is a sad experience - people who were overly worried usually ended badly, exuding their health, making enemies "in the offices", sabotaging their own career and economic well-being. Alas and ah, not all of us can change or speed up, and forcing "with all paws" usually leads to burnout and does not lead to a result.
    In a good field, everyone grows well, in a bad field, everything grows poorly, but the better, the more they are engaged. At the moment we cannot say that we have a good field, or that they are doing well. The moment of realizing the priority of economic development and improvement of domestic legislation - above all else - has NOT COME YET. Figures who will definitely get the paramount importance of this, and through this - access to the possibility of developing other things, do not have power - those who have power now have not paid due attention to this direction for decades, it is naive to believe that they will now.

    Behind the implementation of any bright ideas is not only an UNDERSTANDING BUREAUCRACY, but also the AVAILABILITY OF A SURPLUS OF FUNDS. Now this is tight and it will hardly be better.
    1. Alf
      +7
      15 August 2022 18: 17
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      but also the AVAILABILITY OF SURFACE FUNDS. Now this is tight and it will hardly be better.

      But the damned commies have been hollowing for many years that keeping Russia's money in American money is utter nonsense. On them the country can be rebuilt. Yes, and 300 billion stolen oh would be useful now. But no ! We will continue this policy, because the chairman of the Central Bank, who has done this, is the best and TRUE. So said the Grandmaster, and who are we to argue with the Wise One?
      1. +1
        15 August 2022 18: 25
        Unfortunately, only biomass ......
      2. +2
        16 August 2022 14: 23
        Oh, okay. Already "too late to rush about"! It's just another stage in the surrender of the Russian Federation to the West. Well, our "elite" can't just "surrender"?! Of course not, otherwise their loot will be taken away right away, otherwise they may give you a couple of weeks to use it.
    2. +2
      15 August 2022 18: 35
      Enemies of the people will always find money for their loved ones. But there is no money for the country, but you hold on.
  5. +13
    15 August 2022 17: 05
    Quote: Knell Wardenheart
    AVAILABILITY OF FUNDS. Now this is tight and it will hardly be better.

    I beg your pardon, but how does it happen that in Moscow in the first year they change NORMAL borders for new ones, and next year they change these NEW borders for granite borders? And after laying NEW asphalt, next year they change it to curb tiles? Is it "no money"? Does not look like it. And there are plenty of such examples. And at the same time, they collect money from a zomboyaschik to help sick children, and in a cart for equipment for participants in the NWO in Ukraine. It's just that in our country a capitalist (seemingly) economy with a feudal superstructure over it does not imply development. At best, "stability", which in translation into the commonly understood means "stagnation" or "decay". All that the Russian ruling elite needs is to maintain the existing status quo, and in order to achieve this, this very elite will make any sacrifices. Especially among their own population.
    Threat to the author for the article plus.
  6. +3
    15 August 2022 17: 22
    Quote: Flood

    They are too vulnerable and vulnerable precisely because of their susceptibility.

    But "blockheads" are often distinguished by bulletproof thick skin. What is called "with ... s in the eyes - God's dew"


    There is no need to look for "what to fix in the conservatory so that the country is not plundered." Not from the "weakness of the nervous system of decent people" today's problems of society ..

    And from the fact that in our blessed society only thieves and bandits are capable of self-organization. And to union. And the word "authority" in the Russian people means only such.

    This is the only real truly popular movement.
    A society with a semi-feudal psychology is not capable of seriously, as a force, to perceive absolutely no ideas, except for the idea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbsubordination to the "chief mighty godfather-Tsar". Alpha is male.

    In such a society, democratic elections are a disgusting parody ... The meaning of which is the same - to show the West that "we are also like white people." And don't be hypocritical, because it's true!

    The only truly popular and living political slogan remains, as it was 400 years ago: "And for whom else, except for the ruling Tsar?"

    In reality, the blockhead of the Yeltsin type, sweeping away everyone in its path, has always been our national idol. No matter how they deny it.

    A. Faddeev wrote about this very convincingly when he characterized the people's favorites during the Civil War. A hundred years have passed, but the morals and sympathies of the people have not changed.
  7. +2
    15 August 2022 17: 37
    Another misunderstood Galileo/Newton/Leonardo and on ad infinitum. I was by chance for many years familiar with one of these. What he just did not offer in the topic of launching spacecraft - and throwing them from a mountain in the Far East, and launching them from a giant flying boat, and putting them on the first stage of the rocket engine, and much more. To my regular question - did he even try to calculate the economic efficiency of the project, at least as a first approximation, I got hysterical with shouts - it's up to him to propose, and let the state create a dozen institutions and implement the project. The comrade conducted many years of correspondence "personally" with Putin, with a predictable effect (for me). I calmed down only recently in connection with the state of health. But theoretically (precisely theoretically), no, KTN, he worked all his life at the military-industrial complex enterprise.
    Apparently the author of this article and the same galaxy of restless amateurs.
    1. +1
      15 August 2022 18: 14
      Quote: Sergey Valov
      Another misunderstood Galileo/Newton/Leonardo and on ad infinitum. I was by chance for many years familiar with one of these. What he just did not offer in the topic of launching spacecraft - and throwing them from a mountain in the Far East, and launching them from a giant flying boat, and putting them on the first stage of the rocket engine, and much more. To my regular question - did he even try to calculate the economic efficiency of the project, at least as a first approximation, I got hysterical with shouts - it's up to him to propose, and let the state create a dozen institutions and implement the project. The comrade conducted many years of correspondence "personally" with Putin, with a predictable effect (for me). I calmed down only recently in connection with the state of health. But theoretically (precisely theoretically), no, KTN, he worked all his life at the military-industrial complex enterprise.
      Apparently the author of this article and the same galaxy of restless amateurs.

      In general, in his concept, the author proposes a formula for calculating government spending.
      P(calc.) = P(USA) - ∆S - ∆E;

      where:

      P(calc.) - the estimated price per unit of product (a certain standard);

      P(USA) – average price per unit of product in the US market[8] (on EXW delivery terms);

      ΔS - the difference between the amounts of unit costs (in terms of a unit of product) for wages and for a social package for enterprises producing a product located in the USA and Russia;

      ΔE is the difference in unit costs (in terms of a unit of product) for energy carriers in the USA and in Russia.

      This formula does not reflect all parameters,
      1. +2
        15 August 2022 22: 45
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        In general, in his concept, the author proposes a formula for calculating government spending.

        It is obvious that the author-theorist, at least in this matter and, driven by the best intentions, does not understand what he writes. His formula is logical, but completely unworkable.
        1. 0
          15 August 2022 23: 08
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          It is obvious that the author-theorist, at least in this matter and, driven by the best intentions, does not understand what he writes. His formula is logical, but completely unworkable.

          He came up with this whole concept back in the 90s.
        2. 0
          16 August 2022 00: 19
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          His formula is logical, but completely unworkable.

          First of all, this is not a government spending formula. Have you read the concept? This is the criterion formula for making a public investment decision.
          1. +2
            16 August 2022 08: 42
            Vladimir, with all due respect, but this formula is not suitable for making decisions. None.
            Let's start with the fact that the initial data for it is almost impossible to determine. That is, it is impossible to find out the labor costs of the main production workers (not to mention other workers) in hours for the production of complex American products. They have a very developed specialization, and it is unrealistic to obtain data on the entire chain of counterparties. The same is true for energy consumption. And I'm not saying that the calculations of direct costs for energy resources are very conditional even in our country, there is nothing to say about the Americans.
            Further, your formula basically ignores the presence and amount of fixed costs per unit of output. For a transnational corporation, they can be miserable due to gigantic volumes of sales, for us, even for a new company, the most technologically advanced in the world, they will not be low due to an order of magnitude lower demand.
            Goods analogues. There is also a problem here - you calculated, say, a passenger car according to your formula, determined the criteria, you understand that you need to build a new production. They built, and during this time the United States created a more advanced analogue. And we are again in the tail of progress.
            Further, you are now trying to create high-tech and highly competitive production with public investment, but where? State structures that would effectively produce such products are minuscule. Investments in the private sector are possible, but with such pricing, private traders will not go - it is unprofitable.
            And many other things
            1. +1
              16 August 2022 10: 43
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              Vladimir, with all due respect, but this formula is not suitable for making decisions. None.
              Andrew, let's not rush. And then somehow immediately and very categorically. I see where you are wrong. First of all, averaged parameters are used for calculation. Why did you need the labor costs of the main production workers? Yes, you will drown in these calculations. I didn't suggest that. Correction measures should be simple and universal, such as household income in the US and Russia. Well, there is this difference in income, and this cannot be brushed aside. That is why American companies have taken all their business to China and Latin America. But business remained in Germany. Consider Germany if you don't like the USA. The same applies to energy costs. Today, our energy resources are cheaper. It is a fact. And why not consider it? They will be more expensive - this should be taken into account. Adjustment indicators are used for each investment project only once. If at the moment the project does not pass this criterion, then it is discarded at this moment. Tomorrow something will change, tomorrow it will be considered again, if necessary.
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              Further, your formula basically ignores the presence and amount of fixed costs per unit of output. For a transnational corporation, they can be miserable due to gigantic volumes of sales, for us, even for a new company, the most technologically advanced in the world, they will not be low due to an order of magnitude lower demand.
              That's why there are "transnational corporations"? Does the state need the products of a transnational corporation? But we do not plan to produce these products in Russia? Yes, and let the state continue to buy. What is the problem? Who is forcing? Once again, you have latched on to a benchmark when determining the justification for investing in a particular product. And without it, nothing. You can continue to argue about the selection criteria. But what guidelines will you put before the performers? Suggest. I suggested these.
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              Goods analogues. There is also a problem here - you calculated, say, a passenger car according to your formula, determined the criteria, you understand that you need to build a new production. They built, and during this time the United States created a more advanced analogue. And we are again in the tail of progress.

              And what's the problem here? What we build, we will produce. Do you want to get ahead? So after all in the concept competition of projects is specified. You somehow dropped it. But in vain. This, in my opinion, is a wonderful proposal. I believe that the capabilities of motivated professionals have been underestimated.
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              Further, you are now trying to create high-tech and highly competitive production with public investment, but where? State structures that would effectively produce such products are minuscule. Investments in the private sector are possible, but with such pricing, private traders will not go - it is unprofitable.

              I see that you didn't get the idea. What does where mean? In "high-tech and highly competitive production." From scratch. In 2013, this idea was presented to the Russian Academy of Sciences, and they called it "revolving investments." The concept clearly states that production is created from scratch in a zone with a developed infrastructure at public expense + expenses until the appearance of own working capital. And once again, the criterion for considering a project for investment is not the final price. Further, here a "private owner" is created from scratch, although under this condition of financing it is desirable to create not a private owner, but a collective owner (collective farm).
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              And many other things

              It's one thing when "a lot of other things." And it’s quite another when there is a desire to understand this much more.
              1. 0
                16 August 2022 15: 37
                Quote: Vladimir Postnikov
                First of all, averaged parameters are used for calculation. Why did you need the labor costs of the main production workers? Yes, you will drown in these calculations. I didn't suggest that.

                I do not argue, they did not offer. But, in this case, please explain how you will calculate the indicator you mentioned, for example, for some kind of forklifts, which are acquired by state structures for economic needs. How do you determine the share of wage costs in it in the Russian Federation and the USA? On the basis of what data will you introduce a correction factor for the difference in specific wages?
                Quote: Vladimir Postnikov
                That's why there are "transnational corporations"? Does the state need the products of a transnational corporation? But we do not plan to produce these products in Russia?

                Yes, here are high-precision machines, for example, for the defense industry. And we want to make our own. And how will your formula help here?
                Quote: Vladimir Postnikov
                But what benchmarks will you set for the performers? Suggest. I suggested these.

                The first problem is that the guidelines you suggested are almost impossible to calculate. The second problem is that the state, when planning investment programs, does not always have to pursue the goals of economic efficiency in interpreting the formula you proposed.
                Here's how you order, for example, to calculate the import substitution of ship engines (GTZA), which until 2014 were made for us in Kharkov?
                As for my performance... sorry, but you can't describe it in a separate comment.

                Quote: Vladimir Postnikov
                And what's the problem here? What we build, we will produce. Do you want to get ahead? So after all in the concept competition of projects is specified. You somehow dropped it.

                And how would you order to compare, according to your formula, products that we do not yet have, and which are not yet available in the USA? :)))))) And if the products have no analogues in the USA? Here, for example, we are thinking about a new AK-12 assault rifle, with which US product would you like to compare it?
                Quote: Vladimir Postnikov
                It's one thing when "a lot of other things." And it’s quite another when there is a desire to understand this much more.

                I would not mind, but I definitely do not see the answers to my questions that I voiced above and do not understand how you want to solve this
                1. +1
                  16 August 2022 18: 46
                  Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                  I would not mind, but I definitely do not see the answers to my questions that I voiced above and do not understand how you want to solve this

                  Andrey, here is not a very convenient interface to answer many questions. I already lost one option. Let's discuss one issue at a time.
                  You're all about price adjustments for bidding. Forget about them for now. Let's take a look at the market price. This loader costs so many dollars in the USA, you put up the same amount for the competition. Forgot about the formula. The same applies to the defense machine. Everything is the same as in our customs. They also determine the cost of imported cars and machine tools according to their own methodology. If you want to produce marine gas turbine engines, which they did for us in Nikolaev on Zora, then you don’t need to exhibit anything at all. To Rybinsk to Saturn, and use the previous Ukrainian price as a guide. Do you want a new machine? Do we not have a single FGUP left on this topic? For some reason they can't anymore? And compare only with the previous similar model.
                  "Sixtieth Latitude" is an industrial zone for new industries, when either this product is not produced, or its cost is too high due to outdated technologies and equipment, or the owners shamelessly raise prices. This is where its advantages lie.
                  So what question specifically I did not answer you?
                  1. +2
                    16 August 2022 20: 09
                    Quote: Vladimir Postnikov
                    Andrey, here is not a very convenient interface to answer many questions. I already lost one option. Let's discuss one issue at a time.

                    This is an excellent offer. Let's go step by step
                    Quote: Vladimir Postnikov
                    "Sixtieth Latitude" is an industrial zone for new industries, when either this product is not produced, or its cost is too high due to outdated technologies and equipment, or the owners shamelessly raise prices. This is where its advantages lie.

                    You probably meant the following: You are striving to establish some kind of marker that would not allow private owners to extract excess profits on the products of investment projects by driving up prices.
                    However, for this it is enough to introduce pricing for products of the "sixtieth latitude" according to the principle of how it is done now in the military-industrial complex. That is "20+1".
                    Simply put, the principle there is this - when agreeing on the RCM (settlement and calculation materials), all direct costs for the production of products are divided into 2 categories. One consists of raw materials and materials, the wages of workers, and it is allowed to “wind up” 20% of the profit on it. The second category includes purchased semi-finished products, units that you bought and used in products. So it is allowed to wind only 1% of profit on it.
                    It turned out quite well. You make, say, attachment drilling equipment installed on a KAMAZ truck. You sell assembled KAMAZ with installed equipment. Let's say you made the equipment yourself, from steel and other raw materials. And for these costs you will be allowed to wind up 20%. And you did not make KAMAZ, you just bought it - and now you can wind up only 1% of the profit from its acquisition cost on the cost of KAMAZ. Moreover, since KAMAZ goes under the state defense order, its price is also agreed upon by other military representatives on the same principle ....
                    Prices are agreed upon at the level of planned calculations, confirmed by actual ones, for which enterprises must keep separate records - military representatives have all the norms and technical operations, it is not easy to “rub them glasses”, they know the production. And in the case of investments, you can make them not revolving, but final, that is, the state invests, but does not require their return - for this, the newly formed enterprise receives partial ownership, and can control the situation from the inside, as a shareholder.
                    1. 0
                      16 August 2022 22: 32
                      Here we immediately find a consensus. When it comes to defense products, this scheme is miraculously implemented. And yes, if the enterprise was built at public expense and transferred to the management of the specialists who implemented this project, this scheme is reasonable. However, we have a huge need for universal components, such as controllers, displays, contactors, relays, pumps, motors, bearings, gears, etc., from which designers today assemble a wide variety of machines, equipment, machine tools, and a variety of military products. appointments for the army and navy. And we have today, though thin, but the market. Forcing third-party private traders to sell according to this scheme means enriching a third-party private trader. Somehow not capitalist. But when selling their products to government agencies (even non-military ones), yes, this scheme is quite suitable, provided that government agencies do not have the right to resell it to the side. But you caught the idea - the state allocates money, and for this the state receives a privilege and a refund. I believe that we have closed the issue with the installation price. In the same place, a feasibility study from the contestants was still supposed. Money for everything was supposed to be allocated by the state fund, which, again, was supposed to be for complete control up to reimbursement of expenses to the state. By the way, this was the very first project of the state investment fund. G. Gref published his draft of the First State Investment Fund two months later in August 2005.
                      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                      the state invests, but does not demand their return - for this it receives a newly formed enterprise in partial ownership, and can control the situation from the inside, as a shareholder.

                      It sounds good, but then there is a loophole for the Rogozins. Now, if the same state investment fund will be a state shareholder, and the position of the head of this fund will be elective, and if the electors are the heads of enterprises patronized by the fund, then such a scheme is quite interesting. But even in the schemes of "collective farms" there are advantages. And even a variety of different forms of ownership is possible. Yes.
                    2. 0
                      19 August 2022 13: 19
                      Andrey, you turned out to be one of the few who were at least somehow interested in my article. But, as you can see, your interest has already faded. I will try once again to arouse your interest in the concept of "Sixtieth Latitude" by talking about the reasons that prompted me to write it, and the reason for writing this article of mine in response to the mentioned article by Artem Khvaleba.
                      The main reason was my occupation with transport underwater drones. The body architecture is just one part of the project. Other major parts of the project are the power plant (PP) and the automated control system (CS). Drone, anyway. Let's start from the end. I initially expected that control systems for underwater transport (and military) drones should be built on the basis of universal industrial controllers. Underwater drones don't have the weight-limiting problems that aircraft (especially satellites) have. Ordinary industrial controllers are fine. Here, quite recently, the news flashed that some American accused Russia of using Russian companies in their military equipment controllers from a washing machine. There should be my comment, the essence of which is “Why not?”. I do not know this fact, but I do not deny it. What can be offensive in the fact that someone used the same programmable universal controller in a washing machine, and someone in military equipment? Moreover, in my projects, I planned to use Siemens controllers for several reasons, including: their large distribution in Russia (as a result, it is easier to find a specialist who can design a control system based on their components and program it, buy the necessary components, get advice and recommendations if necessary) and my experience with these controllers (including training at Siemens courses in St. Petersburg). Industrial controllers today form the basis of all industrial control systems (including machine tool building), and can be successfully used on underwater vehicles, where there is a stable working atmosphere and the absence of any significant accelerations and vibrations. So, how was the production of controllers in Russia in 2005, and how are they today? In 2005 - definitely bad. As a result, today most of the equipment of even strategic enterprises is based on Siemens controllers. If the sanctions have not yet affected, then there is still some stock of components.
                      Despite the fact that the MicroDAT Plant survived in Russia, as well as a number of other similar industries, they still work using foreign-made components. What to do now? Buy through third countries? Nothing else remains. And if these streams are covered? Then we unopposed lukewarm fall into the arms of China.
                      That is why the import substitution of universal components suggested itself already in 2005. This is how the idea of ​​creating a technopark with the necessary engineering infrastructure for basing strategically important domestic enterprises was born. But, since the transport system is one of the important components of any infrastructure, I proposed the idea of ​​a linear evolutionary development of this technopark, which can also be considered as a linear development of the city, somewhat reminiscent of the ancient evolutionary development of civilizations along rivers, where the river was not only a source of water ( and sewerage), not only a source of food (fish and crocodiles), but also a transport artery. With linear development in a pre-selected direction, the transport artery becomes a prize, not an end in itself. That is why I insist that the concept of "Sixtieth Latitude" should not be considered as a concept of only a transport route, which, at the same time, is "archival" for Russia.
                      By the way, the drawing for my article, posted by the editors, would organically fit the idea of ​​​​building cities in Siberia by Minister S. Shoigu. This is an old and familiar "star" scheme for the development of cities with its inherent advantages and disadvantages in the form of many intersections of transport routes and other engineering communications, which become more and more problematic as the city grows. "The sixtieth latitude" is a project of "one-story" Russia without any aircraft over the heads of the inhabitants. And this, obviously irrational, idea of ​​​​S. Shoigu is being discussed, but the “Sixtieth Latitude” is not. Well, no way! Even the RAS cannot change anything here.
                      And now we return to the article by Artem Khvaleba. He, after almost 20 years, came to where I started:
                      “In my opinion, as a person who sincerely worries about this problem, the main obstacles in Russia to the creation of a large and combat-ready fleet of unmanned aerial vehicles of all types can be reduced to three positions.”
                      And he defines these three positions as problems with engines, with an electronic component base and satellite communications.

                      Today he stepped on the same rake that I stepped on 20 years ago. What, and we will continue to step on the same rake? Artyom's next logical step is to decide to dig deeper. So my article can be considered as a hint to Artyom that I have already dug there, and he can look at the finished result. The rake is the same and there.
      2. 0
        20 August 2022 07: 50
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        Actually, the author in his concept

        Tell me how to find and read this concept (60th...)? I typed both by title and by author, it doesn’t work
        1. 0
          20 August 2022 08: 44
          http://way60.narod.ru/
          1. 0
            20 August 2022 10: 41
            Quote: Vladimir Postnikov
            http://way60.narod.ru/

            Thank you!
  8. +5
    15 August 2022 17: 38
    Looking now at the current results of the SVO, I can say that we are able to solve problems "promptly", in the current time mode, but we are terribly short of theoreticians. Literate people, able to present their calculations not only logically, using analysis, but also mathematically...
    We needed UAVs yesterday, it doesn’t matter surface, submarine, ground or air, but they were needed earlier ... a great example of the presence of a concept and developments, this is hypersound. It exists and exists thanks to those people who suffer from this, who can punch gaps of misunderstanding. How many conversations there were at VO about Krasnopol, and now it exists and is being used, but not as massively as we would like. Yes, you should not use it on occasion and without, but the infrastructure that allows it to be used needs to be expanded, but here it seems that we have these specialists for the entire length of the front on the fingers to count ...
    But let's get back to the need to search for a concept for applying the latest achievements in the field of promising technologies ... it is needed, it is needed now ... because tomorrow it will be needed "yesterday".
    1. +1
      15 August 2022 21: 09
      Looking now at the current results of the SVO, I can say that we are able to solve problems "promptly", in the current time mode, but we are terribly short of theoreticians. Literate people, able to present their calculations not only logically, using analysis, but also mathematically...

      Still cooler.
      Do you know what a nooscope is?

      “NOOSCOPE is a code of materialization of the moment of transition of life from space to time. The code of action is the harmonization of life. A transaction is a point in space-time-life at which materialization occurs.

      Do you know who "invented" it? The current Head of the Presidential Administration. Together with another adviser.

      Do you understand now how decisions are made up there? laughing

      PS With such approaches, it is strange that the author of the article is not yet the head of the military-industrial complex.
      1. +1
        16 August 2022 06: 45
        NOOSCOPE without Google, I'll try to determine what the abbreviation is ...
        Science-Based About...... Systemic Concept of Limited Transition? )))
        1. 0
          16 August 2022 08: 49
          NOOSCOPE without Google, I'll try to determine what the abbreviation is ...
          Science-Based About...... Systemic Concept of Limited Transition? )))

          Nope. Easier. Device for the study of the noosphere.
          The concept was formulated by A. Vaino in the article "Capitalization of the Future".

          Here, some speculate about the goals of the NWO. So here's an excerpt from that article:

          “The advanced institutions of transformation on the border of three environments - space, time and life - are the army and intelligence. The innovations they create are tested by them in the aggressive environment of intelligence operations and wars, after which the best examples are scaled with the help of state, corporate and social management into new products and services that transform the market code.
          feel
          1. +3
            16 August 2022 15: 44
            Looks like someone is dabbling in salt. Or forgot to visit a psychotherapist in a timely manner ...
            laughing
            1. +3
              16 August 2022 17: 24
              Quote from Alex
              Looks like someone is dabbling in salt. Or forgot to visit a psychotherapist in a timely manner ...
              laughing

              There is an opinion that it is possible to do both at the same time.
    2. 0
      16 August 2022 13: 13
      To do this, people responsible for development, at least in the military field, must look everywhere for the necessary ideas, patents, and introduce them into mass production. But if ideas and patents are introduced into production abroad, then in the Russian Federation only up to 3% of patents reach it. Everything is fine at exhibitions, but in the army. This is the development problem. For an official to work for the people and the country, and not for his own pocket and for the pocket and location of his superiors, this is the main problem of the country in this historical period.
      1. 0
        16 August 2022 13: 49
        And if an official for each successful will the project receive an award based on the results of this project?
  9. +3
    15 August 2022 17: 41
    If there is no ideology, there can be no plan. There is no plan - there will be no engines, no bases, no communications. Entropy will also be stolen if there is a buyer for it.
    request request We even manage to fight without ideology. recourse Ohhhhhhhhh....
    1. +1
      16 August 2022 10: 15
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      We even manage to fight without ideology

      And the fight against fascism is not an ideology or is it something else?
  10. +5
    15 August 2022 17: 42
    So for whom is the requiem today?

    According to the sane authorities in the Russian Federation.
    1. -2
      15 August 2022 19: 48
      I applaud you! hi
  11. +7
    15 August 2022 17: 56
    feel
    Well, it's a shame to laugh, but...
    As a result, there is no Limanda, and Finland and Sweden joined NATO.

    I re-read the author's work on Topvar. Mitrofanov with a turbine in the butt is still nothing, it turns out ...
    feel
    PS It's time for confessions: if the author has ever suggested breeding giant rabbits beyond the Arctic Circle to solve the food problem, then it was Widcat who answered the author "carefully read ... unfortunately ...."

    we confirm the level of competence of the author and, in turn, urge not to consider the material as criticism
    laughing laughing lol good
  12. +7
    15 August 2022 18: 03
    but the West even today manages to control our government.
    A simple example, the retirement age, was raised at the direction of the IMF
    1. +1
      15 August 2022 18: 09
      Quote: parusnik
      instructions from the IMF

      Masks? WHO? Isn't it time to... get out? :bully
      But who will listen to us?
      1. +1
        15 August 2022 18: 12
        hi To the "headquarters", questions, but at the headquarters, as you know, turanchoks are not kept .. smile
        1. -1
          15 August 2022 18: 56
          Quote: parusnik
          To the "headquarters

          At the headquarters they now keep those who are close to the body. bully
          Professionalism? Out of business.
  13. +4
    15 August 2022 18: 13
    Quote: Dimy4
    authorities in the Russian Federation.

    Sane power? This is for Stalin.
  14. +4
    15 August 2022 18: 14
    I read it very carefully. People with inflated conceit are alarmed, but when I got to the hyperloop, I understood everything.
    1. -4
      16 August 2022 00: 06
      Quote: dmi.pris
      People with inflated conceit are alarming, but when I got to the hyperloop, I understood everything.

      I wonder what you understood when you reached the Hyperloop? The editors omitted the link from the original about Hyperloop. But I will allow myself to restore it: https://ria.ru/20161119/1481723352.html
      And even more interesting, what do you understand now? "Concept" has not changed?
      1. +3
        16 August 2022 06: 33
        Author, answer, how much did the government leak to the hyperloop? And the concept, opinion about people saying "I" (made, developed, proposed, created) I change and consider them to a large extent charlatans hi
        1. -1
          16 August 2022 10: 49
          Quote: dmi.pris
          Author, answer, how much did the government leak to hyperloop?

          Ask the government if you're interested. RDIF is government money. Don't bother me with questions. I'm not interested in you at all.
          1. +2
            16 August 2022 10: 55
            It's clear I'm all like that .. Don't bother me. Goodbye, just as uninteresting.
  15. 0
    15 August 2022 18: 17
    The West did not even have to "manage to control our government." In the 80s, our government itself came to bow to the West with a petition "come to us and rule us."

    And Foreign Minister Kozyrev said directly at international meetings: "We have no interests, we realized that we must be guided by human values, explain to us what it is."
    1. +2
      15 August 2022 18: 52
      Quote: ivan2022
      Kozyrev

      Yakovlev! This is what "Judas" is.
  16. 0
    15 August 2022 19: 46
    one peasant suddenly became a gentleman, and of course he liked it very much and wanted to join the gentlemen's club, but there he was sent on foot (well, you know) ... he did not calm down and tried at least a stuffed carcass, the gentlemen got tired of it and decided they surrounded the barchuk, and here it dawned on him: they would beat him and perhaps even kick him, and finally a special operation was born
    1. -1
      16 August 2022 04: 17
      one peasant suddenly became a gentleman, and of course he liked it very much and wanted to join the gentlemen's club, but there he was sent on foot (well, you know) ... he did not calm down and tried at least a stuffed carcass, the gentlemen got tired of it and decided they surrounded the barchuk, and here it dawned on him: they would beat him and perhaps even kick him, and finally a special operation was born

      He was accepted into the gentlemen's club. And others too and their children to Oxford. And the Russian Federation already had one foot in the EU.
      But even in a gentlemen's club there are rules, in particular, the rotation of the chairman. This has been the case since the French Revolution. wink
      1. +3
        16 August 2022 09: 59
        Quote: Arzt
        He was accepted into the gentlemen's club. And others too and their children to Oxford. And the Russian Federation already had one foot in the EU.

        Yeah ... like Turkey.
        Come on, they didn't take anyone anywhere. The gentlemen simply pretended that the nouveau riche was about to become like them. And they themselves looked at him as another funny monkey, and at the slightest problems of the club they began to dispossess the nouveau riche.
        Quote: Arzt
        But even in a gentlemen's club there are rules, in particular, the rotation of the chairman. This has been the case since the French Revolution.

        Helmut Kohl and Francois Mitterrand: What is replacement? belay

        Oh yes, the same club consists of noble ladies and gentlemen who, in principle, have no turnover.
        1. -1
          16 August 2022 11: 31
          Oh yes, the same club consists of noble ladies and gentlemen who, in principle, have no turnover.

          You are confusing the old club and the new one. In the world, the power of the old club ended in Philadelphia with the signing of the American Constitution, in Europe with the execution of Louis XVI, and in Russia in the basement of the Ipatiev House.

          That old club, yes, entry is by right of blood.
          1. 0
            16 August 2022 16: 45
            Quote: Arzt
            You are confusing the old club and the new one. In the world, the power of the old club ended in Philadelphia with the signing of the American Constitution, in Europe with the execution of Louis XVI, and in Russia in the basement of the Ipatiev House.

            Nope. Same Queen of Britain reigns but does not rule right up to the moment when everything is more or less in order. And if something happens invisible hand of the monarchy in the person of the governor-general, following even the unspoken will of the monarch, removes the elected prime minister from power and appoints the leader of the opposition to this post. ICHH - all within the letter of the law.
        2. -1
          16 August 2022 11: 37
          Helmut Kohl and Francois Mitterrand

          That they also "corrected" the Constitution? wink
        3. -1
          16 August 2022 11: 41
          Yeah ... like Turkey.
          Come on, they didn't take anyone anywhere. The gentlemen simply pretended that the nouveau riche was about to become like them. And they themselves looked at him as another funny monkey, and at the slightest problems of the club they began to dispossess the nouveau riche.

          Our entire recent history, since 1991, is the process of integration into the European space, the Golden Billion, if you like. And all the actions of our government (until the last few months probably) should be considered from this point of view. From the Bologna system and tolerance for gays, to raising the retirement age to European levels.
        4. -1
          16 August 2022 11: 54
          What is replacement? belay

          The choice of the leader of the tribe from several options, with the possibility of changing if necessary.

          In a more or less modern version, it took shape during the time of the Roman Republic, when the Senate elected two First Consuls.

          For one year only.

          Looks like they started to shizovat further. laughing
          Proved by Nero, Caligula and others in the Imperial period.

          What to do, such is human nature, absolute power and corrupts absolutely.
  17. 0
    15 August 2022 22: 42
    For Whom the Bell Tolls? How does the novel end?
  18. +1
    16 August 2022 00: 14
    Most likely, transport projects need to be finalized, presented with reports at the conferences of logistics and transport and geography, transport construction. There you can get professional criticism and eventually publish the finalized project. For example, experts will certainly point to the Northern Sea Route as a certain alternative.
    1. -2
      16 August 2022 01: 10
      due to the creation of the concept of the Global Intelligent Transport System (GITS).

      Click on the word "creations". There is a link to the Busan congress, although the abstract is taken from an extended work presented in Monaco. But the Sixtieth Latitude is not a transport project. This is the concept of the testing ground for the socio-economic development of Russia. Just a training ground, not the whole country. Feel the difference.
  19. 0
    16 August 2022 10: 12
    Niasilil this cry of Yaroslavna! I read it to the middle, nothing but praising myself, my beloved and the smartest, and what are all around p.r.i.d.u.k. and no wassat Not interested!
  20. 0
    16 August 2022 13: 05
    Quote: Canecat
    Quote: Mavrikiy
    We even manage to fight without ideology

    And the fight against fascism is not an ideology or is it something else?

    Support!

    Quote: parusnik
    but the West even today manages to control our government.
    A simple example, the retirement age, was raised at the direction of the IMF

    In this way, at the behest of the IMF, everything is generally possible, but however, this is not all. Some kind of this IMF.
  21. 0
    16 August 2022 14: 35
    "There is no ideology - there can be no plan." The problem with ideology, if you look at this question carefully, is understandable. For many years, and even for decades, our authorities have been looking for an ideology convenient for themselves and suitable for consumption by the people. But in order for an ideology to be successful, it must be accepted by the authorities as their own. For example, the communists were guided by ideology. And when in the 80s it became "external" for the elites, everything collapsed, the elites no longer saved either the system or the country, they destroyed it.
    For the ideology to be successful, the bearers of this ideology must come to power. And if people in power who only want to use some kind of ideology, nothing will come of this "search for ideologies".
    Yeltsin at one time proposed the slogan "enrich yourself" as an ideology. And a whole generation was brought up with this ideology. People at least in some kind of power seek to monetize their position, so that later, ideally, take their family and money abroad. Will these people promote some kind of "patriotic ideology" or the concept of a socially just state? At the same time, patriotism itself is not unambiguous. Many aspects of patriotism will be perceived very differently by communists, liberals, religious right, secular right, right-wing liberals, nationalists.
    If we talk about society, then all healthy (namely healthy) forces can be united at least somehow by the concept of a strong state, with a strong social policy and in order to achieve prosperity and occupy a dominant position in the world. And not right now, but after systematic work for the future. And one cannot do without limiting the same market economy and significantly limiting the appetites of the elites. The "spontaneous ideology" of the majority of the population, "ordinary people", is "left conservatism". But the elites see it differently.
    The continuation of the problem is the "new nobility", that is, the emergence of family clans in business and government. And they have already formed. And how will the "new nobility" react to the ideology of a strong welfare state, to the idea of ​​complete equality before the law, to the concepts of change of power, to the fact that the most worthy should receive power, and the interests of society and the state are higher than private interests? The answer is clear...
  22. -1
    16 August 2022 14: 42
    "There is no ideology in Russia" - yes, as much as possible, there is an ideology in Russia !!!! And this ideology-Liberalism!!!
    That Yeltsin, that Putin who replaced him - both promoted and promote the idea of ​​the inviolability of private property, support for big capital and the idea that it is the big capitalists who are the engines of state power. This is Liberalism! And the propaganda of liberalism is poked right in the face of everyone, but only analysts cherishing the "revival of Russia" do not see what they are being rubbed.
    The ideas of Liberalism are promoted through school education. Through sponsorship of big business. Through financial support of forums promoting the creation of your own business and investing in someone else's business. Through anti-communist propaganda. Through laws on the inviolability of private property, but an increase in the number of anti-social laws.
    The fact that posters "Through Liberalism - to a brighter future" are not hung all over the country does not mean that we do not have an ideology.
  23. +2
    16 August 2022 15: 34
    A very understandable article. Revelations and complaint of a paranoid, unrecognized genius who has been involved in drones all his life. Marine. But, for some reason, he went over to the air ones. Apparently, the usual desire of the colossus of modern science to stake out all topics, including in animal husbandry. (we will see the next cycle of complaints). In our design bureau (where I worked half of my adult life), one such worked. Not only an unrecognized genius, but also the owner of absolutely beautiful legs. He told how, when he came home, he put on nylon stockings and admired for a long time .... It happens .....
  24. DO
    0
    16 August 2022 18: 49
    The most worthy criticism is when, criticizing someone else's solution to a problem, you can offer a different solution.

    As a techie, I did not see in this article any proposals for solving the problems of military drones, at least thesis. Except for one thing - not to dispose of old torpedoes, but to upgrade them into advanced underwater drones. And since modern torpedoes themselves are underwater kamikaze drones, it is necessary to at least list and justify their additional functions.
    1. 0
      16 August 2022 23: 10
      Quote: DO
      And since modern torpedoes themselves are underwater kamikaze drones, it is necessary to at least list and justify their additional functions.
      And since modern missiles themselves are kamikaze drones, it is necessary to at least list and justify their (attack air drones) additional functions.
      1. DO
        0
        17 August 2022 00: 33
        Quote: Vladimir Postnikov
        And since modern missiles themselves are kamikaze drones, it is necessary to at least list and justify their (attack air drones) additional functions.

        You are hinting that an underwater kamikaze drone should have on board, in addition to an inertial navigator and a digital sea map, a built-in sonar that turns on when approaching the estimated position of the target in order to find its real location.
        Since a radio wave transceiver with an antenna of an acceptable size does not work underwater, only fully autonomous mode is possible in a submerged position. Well, or external control by the operator via a radio channel in the surface position of a "smart torpedo", or at least its antenna. In the surface position, both the "periscope camera" and satellite navigation are appropriate.
        So?
        1. DO
          0
          17 August 2022 00: 59
          PS
          Of course, the aforementioned "theoretical" set of onboard equipment must be adjusted in relation to the tactics of use, speed and range of the underwater kamikaze drone. This is precisely the "zest" of the solution.
        2. 0
          17 August 2022 09: 30
          Quote: DO
          Well, or external control by the operator via a radio channel in the surface position of a "smart torpedo", or at least its antenna. In the surface position, both the "periscope camera" and satellite navigation are appropriate.

          Everything is easier there. There is no surface position at all, but there is a simple buoy on a cable with an antenna and a camera, plus a folding rod, like the Orca, for communication on the go. Yes, and satellite navigation too. But other options are possible under specific conditions, which I will keep silent about. He came to the point, lay down on the bottom, moved, shot back with a "smart torpedo", performed a maneuver, went to the base. Nothing complicated. In the original, it was simply called - an underwater autonomous carrier (PAN). But now such devices are often referred to as drones.
          1. DO
            0
            17 August 2022 10: 02
            In the original, it was simply called - an underwater autonomous carrier (PAN). But now such devices are often referred to as drones.

            That is, you call a modern homing torpedo a "smart torpedo", and a "drone" is its carrier, an unmanned / unmanned mini-submarine. Which, in the simplest case, lies at the bottom of the strait, listens to the target, having found it, goes to the right distance, fires a "fire and forget" type torpedo, and runs home?
            The question of reliable detection and recognition of the target is delicate here.
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              17 August 2022 11: 03
              Quote: DO
              The question of reliable detection and recognition of the target is delicate here.

              You introduced yourself as a techie, and here are the questions. Turn on your technical imagination. There are no difficulties.
              1. DO
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                17 August 2022 13: 24
                Turn on your technical imagination.

                I’d better not turn it on, because suddenly it will draw the drowning of the wrong ship or submarine that I would like to drown.
                Thanks for the chat.
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    17 August 2022 13: 45
    Quote: DO
    In the original, it was simply called - an underwater autonomous carrier (PAN). But now such devices are often referred to as drones.

    That is, you call a modern homing torpedo a "smart torpedo", and a "drone" is its carrier, an unmanned / unmanned mini-submarine. Which, in the simplest case, lies at the bottom of the strait, listens to the target, having found it, goes to the right distance, fires a "fire and forget" type torpedo, and runs home?
    The question of reliable detection and recognition of the target is delicate here.

    I thought he was just being paranoid. It turns out this is paranoid squared. For him, the main thing is to get the idea out, and the rest is simple, and idiot engineers are obliged to refine it to the state of iron.
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      17 August 2022 22: 44
      Could you answer what is your education? You're still anonymous, so the truth won't hurt you. I promise not to comment on your answer, as well as all your subsequent comments. While I can say for sure that you are not a psychiatrist.
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    18 August 2022 00: 52
    Quote: Vladimir Postnikov
    Could you answer what is your education? You're still anonymous, so the truth won't hurt you. I promise not to comment on your answer, as well as all your subsequent comments. While I can say for sure that you are not a psychiatrist.

    My name is Viktor Kuzmich Dubovitsky. I am 75 years old, and I have worked as a designer almost all my life. Including on orders, the Moscow Region worked. So you will be comfortable talking to me? Introduce yourself and you, probably, your nickname is not your real name.
  27. +1
    19 August 2022 16: 32
    The article is a stream of consciousness in which there is no rational technical grain. Not surprisingly, the Ministry of Defense cut off correspondence with the author. Apparently, the pseudo-scientists, who have been wiping offices for years with crazy ideas and with a lack of real technical solutions, are sick of it.
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    20 August 2022 11: 55
    Quote: Alexey RA
    Quote: Arzt
    He was accepted into the gentlemen's club. And others too and their children to Oxford. And the Russian Federation already had one foot in the EU.

    Yeah ... like Turkey.
    Come on, they didn't take anyone anywhere. The gentlemen simply pretended that the nouveau riche was about to become like them. And they themselves looked at him as another funny monkey, and at the slightest problems of the club they began to dispossess the nouveau riche.
    Quote: Arzt
    But even in a gentlemen's club there are rules, in particular, the rotation of the chairman. This has been the case since the French Revolution.

    Helmut Kohl and Francois Mitterrand: What is replacement? belay

    "Removability" is when the people vote "against" if it got worse, and "for" if it got better. And if the people vote "for", if it's worse and better - and never against and always silent and "approved" - then this is NOT Change.

    Anything happens. It happens that monarchs are replaced, and it happens that they are put in elected positions for life. And even under democratic laws they live like under a monarchy.
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    21 August 2022 12: 19
    https://info-balkan.ru/zaxar-prilepin-uveren-chto-zapadu-nuzhna-vojna-na-balkanax.html?utm_source=politobzor.net