The Russian Armed Forces showed the destruction of the American HIMARS, which hit the Antonovsky bridge in Kherson

A video taken from drone, which shows the destruction of the American MLRS HIMARS, leading the shelling of the Antonovsky bridge in Kherson. The gun was placed in a forest belt near the village of Stepnoe, Nikolaev region. After striking the bridge, the crew took cover, as they apparently considered, in a safe place and waited for the delivery of ammunition. Our scouts calculated the location of the Hymars, and the calculation of the Russian counter-battery installation delivered an accurate strike on the identified target.

Another minus one HIMARS in the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine happened in the area of ​​​​the settlement of Pyatigorskoye, Kharkiv region, where also during the counter-battery fight, the American MLRS and a platoon of Alder multiple launch rocket systems were destroyed by our artillerymen.

According to the latest data, at least half of the twelve Hymars supplied by Washington to Kyiv have already been destroyed. The systematic destruction of HIMARS may indicate the creation of a special group that hunts American MLRS and long-range Western artillery systems, experts say.

Moreover, some installations of the RF Armed Forces are disabled by high-precision strikes even before they reach the front. This is exactly what happened with two HIMARS, which, according to our Ministry of Defense, were covered on August 1 on the territory of the Ukrainian Energy Machines plant in Kharkov. Warehouses with scarce and very expensive ammunition for the American MLRS are being destroyed no less purposefully.

At the same time, Kyiv habitually denies the high losses of expensive Western guns. But estimating the number of remaining MLRS, they literally allow a “Freudian clause”, reporting that there are now “up to a dozen” HIMARS systems in the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The Pentagon goes even further, declaring the words of Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu about the destruction of six Hymars as a lie. This is not surprising: after all, Washington is even more interested than Kyiv in mastering the multibillion-dollar military aid budget for Ukraine with money from the pockets of American taxpayers.

As for the Antonovsky Bridge, which was damaged as a result of shelling by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, work is already underway to restore it. They are carried out by the best bridge-building team in Russia, which, among other things, is responsible for the construction of the Crimean bridge. According to Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Marat Khusnullin, "the bridge will be ready at the beginning of next week."

Comments

[Frost]

Video quality sucks. Filmed by eye from the intercom.

[HAM]

Well, this is not Hollywood, however .... although the shootings of weddings in Afghanistan are professionally filmed by the Yankees.

[Imperium_Aeterna]

It's not about the quality of shooting from the "screen", here the problem is the UAVs themselves.
If shooting from the "eagle", then there is a lot of things "poked" from civilian electronics, most likely the cameras themselves. Then ask the manufacturer to buy something more expensive. In my philistine opinion, it is difficult to single out something intelligible in this mess of pixels. What do the operators think about this - xs, but they will also be happy with the improvement in quality.

Shooting from a height of several kilometers aggravates the whole matter.
In short, everyone will be happy with the improvement in quality - both the operators, and the infantry of which to occupy positions, and the suppliers - it will be possible to shoot from high altitudes, there is less risk of shooting down the UAV itself. "Photomodels" just can't like it. You just need to get in touch with the manufacturer.

[mongolian9999]

Alas. There is rationality here. Megapixels is not only a picture. This is a data stream, energy costs for its processing, an increasing weight of processing components, and a complication of noise immunity during transmission. So when choosing a picture that is bad for the media, or none at all, the choice is bad. It's like with the marches of sabotage groups. You can walk 70 km a day, or you can go out onto the road and wait for the bus.

[Imperium_Aeterna]

I'm not an electronics engineer, but yes, I understand that the growth of quality will drag along the growth of a bunch of other requirements. But the problem is not from the category of unsolvable.

In any case, there are a lot of other priorities in terms of UAVs - quantity, target designation. What is the priority - it's certainly not for me to judge.

[Shurik70]

Poor video quality - understandably, from a cheap camcorder.
You can say a lot that the UAV itself is cheaper, that the transmission channel is more compact, but reconnaissance UAVs are primarily required for reconnaissance, and the higher the quality here, the better the operator will understand the details.
It is impossible not to take into account the psychological moment. When the Nazis post a high-quality video on the Internet of how a grenade is dropped from a civilian quadcopter on our fighters, then after that such blurry pictures make it clear how far our industry has lagged behind.
Compare with Turkish videos, which show similar aiming shots from an UAV for artillery. The quality is much better.

As for the specific plot, the Ukrainians have become insolent. At first, Khimarsy accompanied at least a couple of tanks and an infantry platoon on an infantry fighting vehicle. And here one stands.
I hope there were American "instructors" there

[House 25 Sq. 380]

Compare with Turkish videos, which show similar aiming shots from an UAV for artillery. The quality is much better.

Rollers - Turkish, cameras - Canadian ...
Let's also take Canadian cameras: is anyone against it?

[Shurik70]

Quote: House 25 Sq. 380

Rollers - Turkish, cameras - Canadian ...
Let's also take Canadian cameras: is anyone against it?

Yes, they even have better civilian cameras that they sell in children's stores. On Chinese matrices.
You have to make your own cameras. A modern camera is optics plus a matrix.
You can still buy the matrix and the Chinese one, until you yourself have learned, but you need to master your own production. And we already make optics ourselves.

[kytx]

In the eagles, Japanese cameras are Sony and Canon. Teplaki flir.
Sanction, if anything.

[House 25 Sq. 380]

Yes, they even have better civilian cameras that they sell in children's stores. On Chinese matrices.
You have to make your own cameras. A modern camera is optics plus a matrix.
You can still buy the matrix and the Chinese one, until you yourself have learned, but you need to master your own production. And we already do optics ourselves

You can’t do everything yourself well: cameras are like Canadian ones, aircraft engines are like British ones, airplanes are like American ones ...

[avg avg]

How is it impossible? If you recruit specialists exclusively from Shuriks, then as much as possible. Only the Shuriks themselves prefer to grind with their tongue, rather than demonstrate examples of labor exploits!

[Shurik70]

The USSR did everything itself.
China does everything itself.
Let not everything work out right away, let at first your own is worse than foreign. But the Party has set the goal that all strategically important production should be its own. And the country will come to this!

[House 25 Sq. 380]

The USSR did everything itself.

Firstly, not everything, secondly, much of what he did turned out so-so, thirdly, where is he - the USSR?

[Grandfather Shchukar]

Quote: Shurik70

And we already make optics ourselves.

not "already", but "still"! until efficient owners optimize.

[Cottodraton]

The network is also full of shots of how DPR / LPR fighters drop bombs from exactly the same drones on the trenches of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

[EvilLion]

And you were not interested in how far it could be filmed?

[EvilLion]

Will an infantry platoon protect against an artillery strike or a missile from a "dryer"?

Of course, I would have listened to the screams of the Americans burning in the Hymars. Hope someone brings it.

When someone posts a video of throwing a grenade at a tank, then:
1) He shows that he is a bum and has no norms. weapons.
2) The shooting distance is tens of meters.

[Sergey Valov]

“Clearly, from a cheap video camera” - or from the desire of the military to hide something.

[bovi]

if the equipment allows, then the electronics can be optimized. high resolution can be limited already on the transmitting side and selective inclusion or cropping of the frame can be implemented. BUT this needs to be done purposefully, and not take technologies from civilian models.

[mitroha]

Buy a camera more expensive and limit it programmatically? Yes, you are just a marketing genius, but on the other hand

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

A good resolution is needed for the decision makers and, perhaps, themselves at this time under the gun.
It makes no sense for the "general public" to present something in high resolution.
They want to have fun. - let them blow into the cinema with HD and popcorn.

[filibuster]

In general, the modern elemental base allows you to transmit a high-quality picture, maybe it's in specific UAVs, because, for example, the quality of the picture is higher here:
https://youtu.be/Afb-nKVuLho

[Grits]

Quote from: filibuster

In general, the modern element base allows you to transmit a high-quality picture, maybe it's in specific UAVs,

Everything must be rational. If the UAV is simple, small, the range of tasks is narrow, the range is short, then the camera can be simpler for it. If this is a seasoned unit, then, accordingly, the equipment on it should be decent.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: mongol9999

There is rationality here. Megapixels is not only a picture. This is a data stream, energy costs for its processing, an increasing weight of processing components, and a complication of noise immunity during transmission.

It seems to me that the functions of pointing and video recording should be separated. Transfer only the necessary minimum, write detailed shooting in memory. After the return of the UAV, it will be available.

[rtutaloe]

Khodakovsky, "Skif", the commander of the "Vostok" battalion, looks at the picture from the Mavik 3 on a 50-inch plasma. And on it he sees the faces of enemy soldiers on the floor of the screen. How he does it can be seen on the channel of Alexander Khodakovsky himself, you can watch on the RSOTM channel from those who transmitted this picture to him. If a modern civilian drone used for combat purposes can transmit an image of the enemy’s faces onto a fifty-inch plasma hanging from them at an altitude of 500 meters and a couple of kilometers from them, or maybe even eight, then what are the difficulties and the rise in price for military drones?

[Sedoy]

Megapixels is not only a picture. This is a data stream, energy costs for its processing, an increasing weight of processing components, and a complication of noise immunity during transmission.

chill... :)
can you provide data on which processing components increase the weight and by how much, say, with video formats dvd 720 * 480 and FulHD 1920 * 1080 ...
and what is the format of the drone shown in the video, what is the fps used on them

[Dedok]

the weight of Canon 10 cameras with 6 megapixels and Canon 5d Mark IV with 50 megapixels is almost the same, but the “heel” can shoot 4K video, while 10 cannot; therefore - everything is "a little" wrong: you need to put what gives the picture, and the "visibility" of this picture

[flicker]

It's not about the quality of shooting from the "screen"

and in double shooting from the "screen".
And from the third shooting from the "screen" the quality will be even worse.

[Alexander Lysenko]

The operators themselves say that the deterioration of the picture occurs immediately after downloading from the UAV. And the operator sees much better video.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Alexander Lysenko

The operators themselves say that the deterioration of the picture occurs immediately after downloading from the UAV. And the operator sees much better video.

It is the operator (howling!) A clear picture that is needed.
All others are spectators-mouths and should be "drummed".

[Sedoy]

image deterioration occurs immediately after downloading from the UAV

because he sees in the "original" format of the software manufacturer...
and when they download it, they convert it to a video format of "general" use, say, to mp4
plus compression, etc.
but it doesn't matter if the camera is of good quality
and if it's shit, then it will be ...
just watch the video from the cameras of the Turkish babayka - there are no questions about the quality ...

[AlxSkyWorker]

>>Operators themselves say ... the operator sees a much better video.

If they see a better picture, then what's the problem with recording this video directly 'from the operator's side'? It seems like signal splitters came up with N number of decades ago, so what's the problem with throwing one wire from the splitter to a recording device? Why even this nonsense 'with downloading from UAV', if the signal has already reached the operator once? Or are all operators without exception under fire and they have no time for recording? Well, you will agree - it's kind of far-fetched. I can understand the story: when the UAV worked offline (if there is such a mode at all) and now you need to remove the archive of what the UAV could not transmit over the air, for whatever reason. But this is clearly not the situation .... is not it? I'm afraid that there is no good picture and what we see is the reality of our aviation BP. Well, the 'Operators' can say whatever they want or are ordered, as they please.

[Alexander Lysenko]

Cart, channel chronicle of the UAV operator. Clearly writes that the cutting of the video comes after landing. And the quality from the same Orlan is very, very. Well, downloading is for objective control. And thank God that it is the operator who sees and operates with normal quality. If only they hit from the heart, and we will suffer.

[stelltok]

It's not about the quality of shooting from the "screen", here the problem is the UAVs themselves.
If shooting from the "eagle", then there is a lot of things "poked" from civilian electronics, most likely the cameras themselves. Then ask the manufacturer to buy something more expensive.

It is better to produce cheaply and in large quantities. And even better in super large quantities.

[3danimal]

If Operators saw such a picture, then how did they 100% understand what the goal was in front of them?
I suppose: they saw something similar in a mess of pixels, ordered an Art / air strike and then reported on the destruction of HiMARS itself (!) Again, these are bonuses, promotions, and who will sort out the MLRS after the war, or a military truck, for example?

[4ekist]

The systematic destruction of HIMARS may indicate the creation of a special group that deals with hunting ... experts say.

I would like to see the hanging gunners of these lined Himars nearby on birches. And the quality of shooting will suit me any.

[Grits]

Quote: 4ekist

I would like to see the hanging gunners of these lined Himars nearby on birches.

Even if we see a poor-quality picture, we still assume intestines and other parts of the body hung on birch trees with tatters of the once beautiful American uniform. And those who lay down nearby and remained intact, they are clearly spraying the contents of the stomach on the trees.

[svp67]

Quote: Hoarfrost

Filmed by eye from the intercom.

Smartphone camera from the screen ... That's why such quality. Operators are excellent.
There is another point here. The footage does not show a clear understanding of what was struck. There is no moment when it would be clearly visible what it is.
And yet, the base chassis for these MLRS is the US Army FMTV truck, which they also supplied by the way as tractors for M-777 howitzers, so sometimes you need to look very closely at what is being destroyed

[Piramidon]

Quote: ian

The footage does not show a clear understanding of what was struck.

The one who shot has an understanding of what he was aiming at and where he hit. Tea is not held for the sake of the fastidious moviegoers of the "Military Review" of the NWO.

[svp67]

Quote: Piramidon

The one who shot has an understanding of what he was aiming at and where he hit.

I agree, especially since he then needs to provide more confirmation.

[Cat Alexandrovich]

If you have already decided to give out something in the media, then let's get quality! After all, muddy pictures can simply not be issued, then there will simply be no complaints!

[Piramidon]

Quote: Cat Alexandrovich

After all, muddy pictures can simply not be issued, then there will simply be no complaints!

Well, of course it won't. Are you the first day on VO and have never seen comments like - "I don’t believe it !!! Where is the video!?!?! Evidence in the studio !!!..."

[Cat Alexandrovich]

Of course I saw. And if the video is questionable, it's better not to post it. There will be fewer such comments.

[41 REGION]

Quote: Cat Alexandrovich

cloudy pictures can simply not be given out, then

A few days ago, in an article about Shoigu's statement about the destruction of HIMARS, there were a lot of comments "where is the form or photo with any quality but where" and now the quality is 4k hunting

[kig]

Quote: Piramidon

Tea is not for the fastidious moviegoers of "Military Review"

Here, by the way, is an example of an image in which everything is seen quite clearly and distinctly, and everything is clear. And removed, by the way, from some kind of UAV. There were three tanks

And now they are gone

For those who are especially fastidious, I give a link to a video where the quality is also just wonderful: https://t.me/milinfolive/88322

[Piramidon]

It's not all the same. Different UAVs, different cameras, different resolutions, different quality.

[kig]

Quote: Piramidon

Not everything is the same

I agree. But for some reason, our MO has mostly slurred pictures.

[Antonina Ignatenko]

Tea is not held for the sake of the fastidious moviegoers of the "Military Review" of the NWO.

Then why show it?

[spirit]

Smartphone camera from the screen.

Is it really so difficult to lay out quality standards? Since they really destroyed it. The video of the defeat of the Khimars reminds me of shooting UFOs, everyone around has cool cameras, but nothing is visible on the video

[svp67]

Quote: spirit

Is it so difficult to lay out quality standards?

And for what?

Quote: spirit

Times really destroyed

Not about that. It would be necessary to show some moment of observing the movement of this installation, wait until it hides in this place, snip-montage, cut out the time while the "gift" flies there and already show the moment of impact. Turks, Azerbaijanis and Israelis show this very well

[mongolian9999]

Why disclose technical capabilities. State secret, however.

[lis-ik]

Quote: mongol9999

Why disclose technical capabilities. State secret, however.

There is no mystery here, we suck with electronics, and always have been bad.

[avg avg]

If you read you, then we suck with everything in the world, and not just with electronics. It is incomprehensible to the mind how our army manages to fight with such a worthless technique!

[Frost]

Quote: svp67

FMTV truck

I can’t tell Kamaz from Zhiguli on such a muddy video.

[dauria]

I can’t tell Kamaz from Zhiguli on such a muddy video.

So demand a refund for the ticket ... And you can whistle while spitting seeds, like in the country club "Sharpness, shoemaker !!!"
Before the appearance of showman Leshchinsky in 86, with the blessing of Gorbachev, only those who were supposed to really knew about Afghanistan. And even then "in the part concerning ..."

[Third district]

Quote: dauria

Before the appearance of showman Leshchinsky in 86, with the blessing of Gorbachev, only those who were supposed to really knew about Afghanistan. And even then "in the part concerning ..."

Comparison with Afghanistan does not fit here. Afghanistan is far away, about 3 kilometers away. And here the war is going on, practically on our territory. During the war in Afghanistan, there was no Internet and such technical capabilities. People learned the truth only from the stories of those who returned from there. And now you can watch, almost in real time, what is happening. Thanks to the fighters of the LDNR and the Chechen battalions, who often upload videos. As well as local residents, in different parts of Ukraine.

[Sexton]

Operators are excellent.

Let's bet?
UAV "Orlan-30" sees only 10 km from the station and can give out the coordinates of the target, but there are practically none! "Forpost-R" allegedly has a tactical radius of 150 km, and can give out the coordinates of the target, but they are only produced 10 pieces a year and they are trying to turn them into a strike UAV with a fool. "Orion" can be entered in the "red book", after the cessation of the supply of engines "Rotax 914", he has nothing to fly, the APD-115T is raw and does not pull! The UAVs "Zala" "Kalashnikov" remained, but they are all on imported parts and most do not give out the coordinates of the target ... By the way, all reconnaissance UAVs write to a USB flash drive and transmit video if they can. So the image quality should be good....Someone deliberately deceives...The children's toys are equipped with such 4K cameras that the image is amazing and in real time...

[poquello]

Quote: Sexton

after the cessation of the supply of engines "Rotax 914", he has nothing to fly, the APD-115T is crude and does not pull

analogue of rotax apd110/120

[Sexton]

For you and everyone, read on...
https://militaryarms.ru/voennaya-texnika/aviaciya/rossijskij-razvedyvatelno-udarnyj-bpla-orion/

[tralflot1832]

Article dated October 2020. And in 2021 what happened to Kronstadt.

[Sexton]

They promised Shoigu to deliver 2021 Orion UAVs in 18. There is no information about deliveries anywhere, and we have it! This achievement is not to be missed...

[tralflot1832]

And there will be no censorship anywhere. The plant in Dubna is working. Photo (censorship) Maybe they will say something at the Army 22 exhibition in August. Their "airport" will be at the exhibition.

[Sexton]

As long as you are fed promises. The latest news is not encouraging. There are no real-time image transmission channels for the new Orion with a satellite channel. It will be controlled and controlled, but not transmit information ... The Vikhr missile has a number of laser-guided features and is not universal. It cannot be put on a UAV, it's stupid and without perspective ....

In the UAV final assembly shop, the Ministers were presented with Orion reconnaissance and strike drones supplied to the troops in varying degrees of readiness. The guests were also shown the first flight model of the Orion UAV with satellite communications.

https://dfnc.ru/novosti-vpk/o-perspektivnyh-bespilotnikah-kronshtadta-rasskazali-shojgu/

An alternative would be the development of special adaptable and flexible data compression algorithms that take into account the specifics of onboard space equipment.

https://dfnc.ru/novosti-vpk/peredachu-dannyh-so-sputnikov-uskoryat/

The Kronstadt company has completed ground tests of the Orion UAV with the Whirlwind missiles developed by the Kalashnikov Group of Companies.

https://dfnc.ru/novosti-vpk/kronshtadt-ispytal-vihr/
They will show you this, prepare your ears for noodles ...

[tralflot1832]

For labors + sik. For the style of communication, nothing.

[poquello]

Quote: Sexton

For you and everyone, read on...

oh, dear transmission, yes here for electricians
"Other problems have surfaced - Russian electronics use a current with a voltage of 27 volts, and the motor itself and its individual mechanisms were designed for 12 volts."
and for mechanics
"Austrian Rotax 914 engine with 115 horsepower"
"The maximum power of the motor is 120 horsepower, but in steady level flight mode, it produces from 70 to 90 horsepower."
))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
and this is for gum
"It was equipped with electronics, which did not make it possible to operate it in the modes necessary for the full operation of the UAV. The control system blocked the inclusion of the turbocharging mode, and when this restriction was forcibly removed, the pistons began to burn out."

[Andy_nsk]

electronics uses a current with a voltage of 27 volts, and the motor itself and its individual mechanisms were designed for 12 volts.

Are you shy? Actually, for normal electronics engineers, remake the power converter - how to send two bytes!

[poquello]

Quote from Andy_nsk

electronics uses a current with a voltage of 27 volts, and the motor itself and its individual mechanisms were designed for 12 volts.

Are you shy? Actually, for normal electronics engineers, remake the power converter - how to send two bytes!

naturally, but how the reverse engineers neighed who were unable to make a map of motor control impulses

[stankow]

And then just add another battery ... They came up with a funny problem ... And the electronics work at 12 or 5 or 3.3 volts. As you said correctly, converting from 12V is even easier and the efficiency is higher!

[Sexton]

Yeah, in the spring of 2020, the army received as many as the first 3 serial UAVs and ... that's it ?! Why? Learn to think!

[poquello]

Quote: Sexton

Yeah, in the spring of 2020, the army received as many as the first 3 serial UAVs and ... that's it ?! Why?Learn to think !

)))))))) And what is Kronstadt doing now? do they personally report to you what the army receives?

[Sexton]

I am above the latest news and informed you ...

[poquello]

Quote: Sexton

I am above the latest news and informed you ...

about 27 volts? in case of problems with the production of the workshop, three shifts do not work

[ultra]

Do not write nonsense. Orlany10,30 work from the station up to 120 km.

[Sexton]

They work, but without real-time image transmission:

If it is necessary to receive a television image at the NPU from the UAV, the workstation is equipped with the ground part of the television system with a directional antenna at a distance of up to 10 km and a narrowly directed antenna system with a servo drive for ranges of up to 30 km.

NPU - ground control point.
AWP is an automated workplace.

http://nevskii-bastion.ru/orlan-30/

[Thrifty]

Ponamar - there are no 4K cameras, this is a video recording format with a high recording speed, analogous to 30k / s, and a high speed of information flow. If the recording speed is 15k / sec, then even in 4K format you will see a mess of pixels.

[Xenofont]

People have a strange idea about the requirements for a camera that transmits a video stream. There, only 1,3 MP is enough and a high-speed transmission channel for this stream, this is precisely what can be a problem. If the channel fails
there are all sorts of compression algorithms that do not improve the quality.

[Andy_nsk]

In general, if the optics allow you to get a high-quality image, you can always do a digital zoom - with a wide window for searching for targets and switching to high magnification - if you need to see a jerboa, at a reasonable data transfer rate. I don't know if zoom is used on our UAVs. The more I learn about them, the stronger the disappointment.

[nik-mazur]

Quote from Andy_nsk

...you can do digital zoom...

Digital zoom is cutting out part of the image from the full frame. A completely useless thing in terms of image quality, which is only suitable for bloggers who need to quickly embed a post on Instagram ...

[Andy_nsk]

Very useful from the point of view of compressing information during transmission over a communication channel, and Instagram has nothing to do with it at all. Do not understand simple things - do not meddle with comments.

[nik-mazur]

Have you seen enough Hollywood films where they zoom in on the picture from the security camera to see the car number reflected in the witness's glasses?
In reality, if the jerboa is not visible at full frame, then with digital zoom it is also impossible to see it. And from the point of view of informativeness, it is just more profitable to have an image of the optimal size, and if necessary, improve the detail, to do this due to optical zooming ...

[Andy_nsk]

The data rate V (bps) without information compression will depend on the frame rate F, the number of lines in the frame m, the number of points in the line n and the number of bits for the luminance-color coding of one pixel k:
V= F*m*n*k.
The data transfer rate is limited by the channel bandwidth and cannot exceed a certain value. To meet this value, you can:
1) reduce the frame rate F, however, the decrease is less than 40 ... 50 Hz, the picture starts to flicker, which quickly tires the eyes.
2) Reduce the frame size, i.e. reduce the number of pixels by one frame, this of course blurs all the detail.
3) reduce the brightness-color gradation, which also greatly degrades the quality of the picture.
Frame zooming reduces the amount of transmitted data in proportion to what percentage of the picture area is transmitted over the communication channel, while there is no loss in the quality of the transmitted window. This, I hope, is clear?

[nik-mazur]

I will try in simple language, so that any pioneer would understand.
The drone has a camera with a matrix, for example, of the usual TV format of 720x576 pixels. There is a communication channel sufficient to transmit this signal quickly and reliably. When using a wide-angle lens, we get a general plan with a format of 720x576. To view the details, the focal length of the lens increases, we get a fragment enlarged by 10-20-50-100 times on the same 720x576 format.
Quality improvement occurs almost without loss and without additional load on the communication channel. And this is true for any resolution and any data rate.
But how you do not lose quality when cutting out a fragment from the whole picture, FIG knows. On the example of the same TV format, to make it clearer: we cut out the ninth part of the frame with digital zoom, we get a fragment of 240x192 in size. Yes, the amount of data has decreased; yes, their transmission will require a channel with a lower speed or they will be transmitted faster. But what's the point? You will not see any gopher there anyway.
Of course, another option is possible: you can put a camera with a matrix of a completely redundant size - say, a full frame with a resolution of 50 megapixels. Not a single radio channel can shove so much (at least in a reasonable time), so the image is compressed to a size of 720x576 and transmitted in this form. Well, if necessary, a piece of 415 kilopixels is cut out of fifty megapixels. Theoretically, this allows you to get a digital zoom of 120 times.
The problem is that a 50 megapixel matrix is ​​a piece goods and it costs like a cast-iron bridge. In any case, it is much more expensive than a similar lens for a 720x576 matrix. And, say, a more affordable 4K or 4096 × 3072 matrix allows digital zooming by 30 times. And if the final format is not 720x576, but at least 720x1208, then the increase is possible no more than twelve times.
So, it is much easier and cheaper to screw in a couple of cameras at 720x576 with optical zooms of different ranges than to fence a garden with giant matrices.
However, in reality there is another option, when a matrix of almost any size is assembled from small ones. This is not suitable for the civilian market, and the military and astronomers have been using it since film times.

[Andy_nsk]

No megamatrices are needed, even when compressing information, it is unrealistic to transfer data from it via existing radio channels, and writing to flash memory is of no particular use - a spoon is expensive for dinner, no one needs outdated information. Optical zoom is certainly better than digital zoom, this is obvious, but there is a small snag - not only is a zoom lens required, it also needs to be precisely rotated along two axes, this is not only an order of magnitude more difficult, two or three orders of magnitude, and if in one case the cost can be kept within a few hundred rubles, then in the second there are already hundreds of thousands of rubles, or even millions, and judging by the quality of the video that we are shown, as someone rightly noted, it is filmed on camera from intercom. Therefore, I pointed to digital zoom as a budget option for UAVs, since it practically does not require hardware costs and the problem is solved at the software level.
Now, if we had UAVs with high-quality optics (which one can only dream of), then they could observe from a great height, being tens of kilometers from the target, and already all especially valuable targets such as haymarsam would be found and destroyed.

[nik-mazur]

Quote from Andy_nsk

...digital zoom as a budget option... ...the problem is solved at the software level...

What problem is solved by stretching a fragment of a frame to cover the entire frame? One pixel, of course, can be turned into fifty megapixels - but from this there will be no more information.
It is necessary to position the lens in any way, regardless of whether its focal length is fixed or variable. By the way, the higher the resolution of the matrix, the more sensitive it is to what photographers call shake.
I'm afraid you should apply your advice to yourself and stop talking about things (and specifically about optics and matrices) in which you seem to be extremely far from your area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbinterest.

[Andy_nsk]

I am an electronics engineer, I am engaged in the development of complex electronic measuring equipment, including working with matrices, and with optics, and with data transmission, so for me everything is clear with domestic UAVs, and therefore the inner disappointment with the results of work in this direction is so strong .
Turning one pixel into a million, of course, does not make sense, modern matrices, even those that are in phones, already have excessive resolution, and it’s enough just not to coarsen their resolution when transmitting data, i.e. with digital zoom, transmit information from the selected area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbthe matrix.

It is necessary to position the lens in any way, regardless of whether its focal length is fixed or variable.

Directly, on those simplest UAVs, the video from which we are shown, there is no lens positioning, most likely there is no focusing, the lens is set to infinity.
And I haven't said anything about digital signal processing yet, raw video is impossible to transfer due to the large volume, but this is a complex issue that requires professional knowledge.

[nik-mazur]

If you are a specialist, then you should learn to clearly express your knowledge and thoughts so as not to look like a non-specialist.
Inserting a 50 Mpx matrix into a drone, and shooting and broadcasting a 720x1208 signal from it is too obvious a solution. And if, as you say, the cameras in the drones are set to infinity, and the zoom is nevertheless present in them, then, therefore, this is how everything works. Accordingly, it does not make sense to break into an open door.
If, however, the matrices on the UAV are of low resolution, and, again, there is a zoom on them, then lenses with a variable focal length are used.
And so that there was neither one nor the other - it is simply impossible.
For my part, I see the problem in providing the maximum range of observation from super-wide to super-telephoto for a reasonable price. And matrices with huge resolution are not the best option, since physically small size will give problems with noise and sensitivity, and large size is too technologically complex and prohibitively expensive, as the cost of matrices grows exponentially. The same, by the way, is true for optics.
The best option, in my opinion, is several cameras with small matrices, say 2/3 "(8,8x6,6mm) and with a moderate HD resolution of 720x1280, for example (monitors will still be about the same format). In this case, we have large pixels, which will have a beneficial effect on sensitivity, dynamic range and noise, and ensure the viewing angle and detail with different, again moderate zooms, which are simpler than superzooms, better in the optical sense and faster (ceteris paribus, of course).
It is natural to provide for turning off the IR filter in matrices and, possibly, remove anti-aliasing filters.
It will turn out quite high quality, but at the same time budgetary for devices that are used as consumables.
Actually, a similar system is already used on almost all smartphones, only with marketing perversions. The only question is to sharpen it in a military way. By the way, I have no doubt that the military design idea works approximately in this direction ...

[Andy_nsk]

If you are a specialist, then you should learn to clearly express your knowledge and thoughts so as not to look like a non-specialist.

My ability to express my thoughts does not matter, because throughout our dialogue you attribute some ridiculous thoughts to me and immediately dispute them, then you attributed to me zooming photos on Instagram, then some Hollywood films, now attributed to me a mega-matrix in 50 Mpc. As an interlocutor, I am clearly superfluous to you, you yourself come up with some theses for me and successfully refute them yourself. Good luck!

[nik-mazur]

Taki, oh! You have not only with the presentation, but also with the understanding of the written complexity.
Well then, let's not detain you any longer...

[swan49]

In fact, there are special catalogs of goals and a special VUS, which is taught for more than one month. What we observe during the mass use of civilian drones is called by experts "observation of the battlefield", but not "reconnaissance and target designation". But even the airbag option is very useful at the tactical level.

[Edik]

Quote: Hoarfrost

Video quality sucks. Filmed by eye from the intercom.

There is no Internet where there is, so you can upload the video in this quality only.

[swan49]

Internet is not used. Special radio links are used, often with noise-like signals below the interference level.
In addition, the picture quality deteriorates when converting from one television standard to another. It is unlikely that SECAM or NTSC is used there.

[Inokkenty]

Well, we, like the Americans, have no experience in filming Hollywood productions like Buchi, flying fragments of Naimars in slow motion with a 3D effect, suffering faces of the Nazis and fronts of blood ... For this you need to contact the Americans. We have simple efficiency, there was highmars and there is none. I think this is more important than staged performances.

[Anna E]

Well, of course, you need 4k, top view, side view, bottom view, a huge fireball, debris flying, Ukrainians waving their arms and yelling at the whole district. All this under Dolby Surround. This is our way! And this, well, it's clear - a painter's daub.

[dmi.pris1]

Result too? Sucks?

[lis-ik]

Quote: dmi.pris

Result too? Sucks?

It is he who is not visible. Because of this, there is a dispute here.

[Anachoret]

In fact, the solution can be simpler than simple) for a video signal of operator control, this quality is enough, and the source on the media can be in an uncompressed format “for amateurs” and “press”, for such needs and weight with current technologies, no more will be added than 100-200 grams (and you don’t need to broadcast it anywhere on the air, but everything is downloaded already on the ground “for a beautiful picture”))) here it’s more a question of the tasks set initially, in which “a beautiful picture for the press” was not provided) but in vain )
Now everyone understands that it also has a propaganda value no less than the direct destruction of the target)
But I’m sure that they will take into account and finalize) for such cases, there is a practice of “special operations”)

[Third district]

Quote: Anchorite

here, rather, the question is to the tasks set initially, in which "a beautiful picture for the press" was not provided) but in vain)
Now everyone understands that it also has a propaganda value no less than the direct destruction of the target)

It matters a lot. The destruction of the promoted Hymers is a big blow to the Pentagon and the Ukrainian media environment, where they have been praying for them lately.

[olegactor]

Video quality sucks. Filmed by eye from the intercom.

sorry... but this is not a blockbuster to watch on the couch

[Nikolay Sviridenko]

And why did someone here decide that they would give the original video for general use? It’s not for you to eat chokhokhbili! © What they gave, then look! And don't think of yourself as a general, it's harmful...

[2 Level Advisor]

because of such opinions, in the information war, the enemy is tearing us apart .. or do you think that the information war is not needed?

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Hoarfrost

Video quality sucks. Filmed by eye from the intercom.

No need for premature judgments.
The Israeli army, for example, also never uploads videos from drones above 320-480pi to the Internet. So that no one knows what resolution (and functions) are actually available to the operator. This prevents the enemy from effectively calculating the required level of concealment.

[aszzz888]

And Us Rat (My name is Legion, for there are many of us)
Today, 01:09 ... The Israeli army, for example, also videos from drones, above 320-480pi, never leak to the Internet. ..

And who is interested in WHAT the army of Israel "leaks" into the Internet? especially - in what "permission". Did you confuse the sites for an hour?

[And Us Rat]

Quote from ass

And who cares

Who cares, who cares. Can you imagine?
Or are you all broadcast undertook? Ah then this already question to psychiatry.

Quote from ass

Did you confuse the sites for an hour?

Nifiga yourself, you believed in yourself.
If I give you a detailed answer, you will try to understand until the morning with a dictionary, and it’s not a fact that you can master it, mu-mu.

[aszzz888]

And Us Rat (My name is Legion, for there are many of us)
Today, 05:3..

I don’t need to answer either “deployed” or otherwise. Your reposts to me - to a well-known place. you are yours there, in hibbutz tell, they will hang their ears. Oseledztsy do not forget to grease with oil, smooth, and clatter further along the clave. adieu

[And Us Rat]

Quote from ass

Your reposts to me - to a famous place

And why do I need this information? And most importantly, why are you reacting to them then? From masochism? Or are you like a canis chasing the wheels of a car - you just can't stop yourself? Your name is not Polygraph by chance?

Quote from ass

you are yours there, broadcast in hibuts

No, I'll broadcast here, and you'll look at it powerlessly.

Quote from ass

adieu

And you glassy earth.

[aszzz888]

And Us Rat (My name is Legion, for there are many of us)
Today, 06: 57

you will eat fat - close the doors, or under the covers. countrywomen will see - they will kill inadvertently. As for "glass wool" - and what a gift for you to the box office! p.c. are you already scribbling in the bunker?

Palestine fires dozens of rockets from Gaza towards Israel

[And Us Rat]

Quote from ass

are you already scribbling in the bunker?

Yeah, nuclear, with a pool and a sea view, you don't have that and you never will.

[stankow]

Answer because you're interested. We will master!

[Prisoner]

The main thing was that they banged the installation and maybe even along with the calculation (I want to believe that in the state of Montana or in some other place the funeral will be soon). And the camera parameters did not prevent such a nice blow. So do not try to divert from the main thing.

[EvilLion]

The usual quality of filming from drones. But you keep jumping about the omnipotent reconnaissance drone. The Americans post exactly the same.

[your vsr 66-67]

Good news! And most importantly with evidence! What will the Amers say now? And along with the Ukronazis!

[January]

"Do you see the gopher in the field? No... But he is!"
The news is good. Only now, apart from an explosion under the trees, there is nothing on the video. Under such a picture, one can sum up the liquidation of Ze ...

[1976AG]

Quote: your vsr 66-67

Good news! And most importantly with evidence! What will the Amers say now? And along with the Ukronazis!

Did you really make out what was destroyed on the video? Or is it enough for you that there was an explosion?

[The leader of the Redskins]

removed from the tongue. I've been looking at this already...
Trees, road, explosion - I see! But what exactly was blown up .... Alas.
And for those who say that it’s better not to get quality, I advise you to google it in the same YouTube - the enemy can even show how a bomb is thrown from a drone into the T 62 driver’s hatch!

[poquello]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

even show how a bomb is thrown from a drone into the hatch of a T 62 driver!

better as dill from three lemons could not get into the open hatches of a standing BMP3

[The leader of the Redskins]

That is, do you agree with me that even from a small UAV you can shoot a video on which both targets and ammunition are easily identified?)

[poquello]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

That is, do you agree with me that even from a small UAV you can shoot a video on which both targets and ammunition are easily identified?)

so a small UAV flies a little, and its optics are a little small and without protection, so you can go to the store, buy a Chinese color camera and there will be a good movie, for military tasks IMHO slightly different requirements

[The leader of the Redskins]

That's it!
The military does not have the right to make a mistake and strike at a civilian car, because because of the "pixels on the screen" it seemed like a "hail" or "Caesar" installation!
If we are given a video as an official confirmation of the destruction of HIMERS, then why is it filmed with an excerpt and a phone from the tablet screen? Is it possible to dump information on a flash drive?
No. In this case, everything is according to Stanislavsky:
- I do not believe....

[poquello]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

That's it!

yes, you didn’t understand anything, the hameris work in the depths, so the UAV flies from afar and at a height, that’s the same NWO and not MGM

[RED_ICE]

It all depends on the flight altitude of the UAV and the magnification factor. Plus, the video was shot on a smartphone from the monitor screen

[Prisoner]

Like what? At VO, they will throw minuses and whine that film A is not of high quality. The funeral will be worried. Another church of the Holy Something was covered with a copper basin. St. Javelin tyu-tyu, St. Bayraktar there along with the Holy Three Axes. Now Saint Hamers is being closed.

[Prisoner]

I told you so.

[Paul Siebert]

And in Kuev they are celebrating the capture of Kherson...

[Edik]

In fact, they are already signing the surrender

[Nexcom]

yeah, and pin to the sy again on a blue eye they will declare - there are no losses!

[MBRSS]

very informative video

[Leshak]

The video is of such quality that ... In general, we will take our word for it.

[The leader of the Redskins]

Gentlemen and Konashenkov are always taken at their word!

[Yegres85101142]

Into the hole! Specialists, our guys! Keep it up!

[navigator777]

I didn’t see chimars on the video, something banged, that’s for sure, but how can you be sure that it’s chimars?
If, according to such videos, ours are considered hundreds of "destroyed" militants, then things are bad ...
In total, at the moment there is not a single clear photo or video of the destroyed himars. If our Ministry of Defense still has them, then why not provide them?

[MBRSS]

there is not a single clear photo or video of the destroyed himars

there was one photo of a broken himars in some kind of factory workshop, but it was not indicated where it was.

[navigator777]

Quote: MBRBS

there is not a single clear photo or video of the destroyed himars

there was one photo of a broken himars in some kind of factory workshop, but it was not indicated where it was.

Yes, but as they say, it’s not Himars, but Naubica 777, their tractors are similar.

[RED_ICE]

All right. In the cart, the cat has confirmation that it is a tractor and three axes

[poquello]

Quote: RED_ICE

All right. In the cart, the cat has confirmation that it is a tractor and three axes

but they don’t shoot what? ) everything was loaded into the tractor, now the missiles are waiting? ))))))))))))))

[RED_ICE]

What are you talking about? Not understood

[poquello]

Quote: RED_ICE

What are you talking about? Not understood

where is the activity of hameris?

[Snail N9]

Even "himself" tells you that "half of the Himars" have already been destroyed, but you do not see them and doubt. Never so. Once they said and out, they showed something there ... it means it was destroyed, but the fact that you don’t see anything there is because your eyesight is bad, yes. MO sees you better.

[Santa Fe]

In total, at the moment there is not a single clear photo or video of the destroyed himars

Photos of the destroyed Himars were posted on the channel of Yuri Podolyaka

[iouris]

From what does it follow that these were exactly the objects that General Konoshenkov reported on?
Gentlemen are trusted at their word?

[igork735]

Hedgehog in the fog.

[tralflot1832]

I alone heard the exclamation: Oh Shedd!!! Doesn't it matter what the Americans say. The Antonov bridge is being repaired, there are no new damages.

[Yun Klob]

As always, not a fig is visible. They don’t know how to shoot ours, alas.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Yoon Clob

As always, not a fig is visible. They don’t know how to shoot ours, alas.

Our people know how to shoot and fight. But it’s not the fault of the guys that the level of TLV sights we have is such. That’s it!
And, secondly, I heard from one very informed person that "to the public" ours deliberately "knock down the clarity of the picture" in order to mislead the enemy about the capabilities of military intelligence. After all, the thoroughness of the camouflage and PDTR of the enemy depends on this.
AHA.

[Thunderbolt]

I heard from one very informed person that "on

the public "ours specially" knock down the clarity of the picture "in order to mislead the enemy about the capabilities of the troops

Everything is much simpler and at the same time more complicated. "Things" for Russian warheads There are none

[Anna E]

They ruined Mosfilm in the 90s, there is nowhere to get a film crew. And in general, why not make a cardboard highmars and, according to all the canons of cinematography, from three projections, from 4k and Dolby, with a fireball and flying debris, bang it? The most caustic critics will subside.

[Third district]

Quote from Anna E.

They ruined Mosfilm in the 90s, there is nowhere to get a film crew.

Not true. Mosfilm now feels great. If you don't believe me, take a tour and see for yourself.

[Alexey RA]

Quote from Anna E.

They ruined Mosfilm in the 90s, there is nowhere to get a film crew. And in general, why not make a cardboard highmars and, according to all the canons of cinematography, from three projections, from 4k and Dolby, with a fireball and flying debris, bang it?

No money. The entire budget for years to come was spent on a huge interactive hologram of the Crimean bridge and a team of hypnotists who, during ferry transportation, assure passengers and drivers that they were actually traveling on the bridge.

[Saboteur_Navy]

Looks like an Iskander or Tochka U strike

[Saboteur_Navy]

It is necessary to saturate the UAVs with long-range strikes and then the Hymers have no chance

[UAZ 452]

If they destroyed it, then great, of course, but the exchange of one Himars for one bridge is hardly considered in our favor.

[navigator777]

Quote: UAZ 452

If they destroyed it, then great, of course, but the exchange of one Himars for one bridge is hardly considered in our favor.

The bridge was almost restored, and the chimars after this can no longer be restored.

[UAZ 452]

Several weeks of difficulties in supplying our entire grouping on the western bank of the Dnieper (the capacity of the pontoon bridge was not even close to the stationary one) cost one Himars, and even more, much more.

[poquello]

Quote: UAZ 452

Several weeks of difficulties in supplying our entire grouping on the western bank of the Dnieper (the capacity of the pontoon bridge was not even close to the stationary one) cost one Himars, and even more, much more.

and? did it prevent the taking of Sands?

[Third district]

Quote: poquello

and? did it prevent the taking of Sands?

What could be the connection here? The sands are located near Donetsk and the Antonovsky bridge in the Kherson region. different theaters of war.

[poquello]

Quote: Third District

Quote: poquello

and? did it prevent the taking of Sands?

What could be the connection here? The sands are located near Donetsk and the Antonovsky bridge in the Kherson region. different theaters of war.

it's okay, the connection is greater than between the cost of the RSZO and the difficulty on the Antonov in a period of time

[Third district]

Quote: poquello

it's okay, the connection is greater than between the cost of the RSZO and the difficulty on the Antonov in a period of time

There is a connection right here. As a result of the destruction of the bridge across the Dnieper, our troops are hindered in the supply of weapons, fuel, ammunition, difficulties with rotation, with the removal of the wounded. Logistics and provision of troops is a decisive factor in the war.

[poquello]

Quote: Third District

There is a connection right here. As a result of the destruction of the bridge across the Dnieper, our troops are hindered in the supply of weapons, fuel, ammunition, difficulties with rotation, with the removal of the wounded. Logistics and provision of troops is a decisive factor in the war.

blablabla, during this time Kherson or Nikolaev was taken or attacks on these cities were repulsed?

[Third district]

Quote: poquello

blablabla, during this time Kherson or Nikolaev was taken or attacks on these cities were repulsed?

Nikolaev is still under the control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Ukrainian authorities. Why would they take it from themselves If only they get lost and instead of Kherson they rush to Nikolaev.

[poquello]

Quote: Third District

Quote: poquello

blablabla, during this time Kherson or Nikolaev was taken or attacks on these cities were repulsed?

Nikolaev is still under the control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Ukrainian authorities. Why would they take it from themselves If only they get lost and instead of Kherson they rush to Nikolaev.

so not about the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but about the dynamics of events, let's say difficulties with the bridge helped repulse the attack on Nikolaev - it didn’t happen, there was nothing - therefore, it makes no sense to talk about some undoubted benefit of damaging the bridge

[Inokkenty]

And whose logic is more developed in your sofa expert or MO specialists? Why, then, did our troops not destroy a single bridge on the territory of the Armed Forces of Ukraine?

[The collective farm is voluntary.]

But this is not at all clear. Before the retreat of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they still blow up / cripple the bridges that are left. That is, they still khan!. What is the logic of NOT DESTROYING them BEFORE the APU retreats??? I suspect that we purposefully give the opportunity to withdraw armored vehicles and infantry from "hot" places.

[Third district]

Quote: Inokkenty

Why, then, did our troops not destroy a single bridge on the territory of the Armed Forces of Ukraine?

You ask these very specialists. Why ukrovoyska receive reinforcements, fuel and weapons without hindrance. And as soon as they retreat, they themselves blow up these bridges, in front of our noses. And why are bridges still standing in western Ukraine? Through which trains go, with heavy equipment from NATO countries.

[stankow]

And why would the attackers destroy the bridge? This is a bitter lot of the retreating! :)

[Anna E]

As far as I understand, no matter how much air defense you put in, it can be overloaded. Here is the vaunted "iron dome", which is considered impenetrable and is pierced with a massive volley. The point here is not that Hymars is a child prodigy, but that intelligence is flawed. In addition to the Hymars, "tornadoes" also fired, it was they who overloaded the system. So, they missed the concentration of 5 - 6 cars.

[Santa Fe]

In addition to the Hymars, "tornadoes" also fired,

The fairy tale about the simultaneous shooting of Hymars and Tornadoes walks on the Internet and everyone repeats one after another

There is no official confirmation of this, of course.

[stankow]

Not a bridge, but just a span. They didn't even hit the base!

[v1tz]

The Crimean bridge gave a great experience. Bridge builders in the liberated territories will have to work through the roof ..

[Thunderbolt]

the work of our counter-batteries is satisfied

[Incvizitor]

It seems that many new UAVs were connected to the operation, the destruction of the Fashington amerzes along with the complexes warms the soul most of all.

[tralflot1832]

The cage for the Nazis in the Mariupol court looks good.

[Oorfene Juice and his wooden soldiers]

Almost nothing is visible. As for me, this is not yet proof, we need clear pictures.

[KarjalaSusi]

And the video won't open for me. Can someone fill in the comments?

[Blackmokona]

Quote from KarjalaSusi

And the video won't open for me. Can someone fill in the comments?

There is absolutely nothing to see, even the explosion itself is in extremely low quality, so you don’t lose anything.

[Anna E]

There is nothing to see there. Forest, country road, something flashed in the frame, an explosion in the forest. Everything.

[Anna E]

I started the video every second. Each frame was examined to pain in the eyes. In addition to the explosion of something in the forest, nothing was seen. Maybe they shot for the military with better optics and lower? And the amers don’t care what will happen with their prodigies. Dill still pays for lend-lease for a couple of thousand years.

[Dmitry X]

Well done! Good news!

[Terenin]

apparently they calculated it in a safe place and waited for the delivery of ammunition. Our scouts calculated the location of the Hymars, and the calculation of the Russian counter-battery installation delivered an accurate strike on the identified target.

Well, just - a song for musicians from

a special group that hunts American MLRS and long-range Western artillery systems

[Anna E]

"If you don't like it, don't listen, but don't interfere with lying." Our "Ministry of Truth" has yet to grow and grow to dill, but we are trying. Soon we will "hit" Hymars in packs in 4k, in three projections and with Dolby. In the meantime, book your tickets and stock up on popcorn.

[Terenin]

Quote from Anna E.

"If you don't like it, don't listen, but don't interfere with lying." Our "Ministry of Truth" has yet to grow and grow to dill, but we are trying.

By the way, a very important aspect of the "Third Front", the so-called state propaganda and agitation during the period of the most difficult military trials of the Second World War, to maintain the morale of the population, was of great importance.

[gansales]

There is a hunt for everything foreign and wet ..!!!!
Jew Zelya and K .. You can't hold Ukraine!
We are Russians, very evil .. And the hunt for the main ones will be later

[RED_ICE]

We already wrote that the chimera has such a design, in order to see it with the help of a UAV, the operator must be big-eyed, because from above the chimera looks like a truck

[Blackmokona]

Quote: RED_ICE

We already wrote that the chimera has such a design, in order to see it with the help of a UAV, the operator must be big-eyed, because from above the chimera looks like a truck

Moreover, exactly the same trucks were delivered to Ukraine in considerable quantities, as tractors for towed artillery and so on. Therefore, while the back is not visible to the rocket, it cannot be identified in any way.

[Santa Fe]

Chimers is built on the chassis of an army truck of the MFTV family

[Anna E]

Does the operator have a head? Why is the truck standing in the forest, why are the "elephants" fussing around? Why does the truck look neither like the Urals nor Kamaz? Just for prevention, you need to fuck on this.

[RED_ICE]

Maybe it's Maz or Tatra)))

[rtutaloe]

My dear, at the beginning of the assault on Mariupol, in a cart on the canal of Khodakovsky "Skif", the commander of the battalion Vostok of the NM of the DPR and "Vladlen Tatarsky", aka Maxim Fomin, a video was published in which the Skiff sits in a pickup truck in front of a fifty-inch plasma. And the guys from the Gray Zone channel, Admin and the same Vladlen send him a picture from the Mavik 3, a completely civilian Chinese drone, to this plasma. And Skif observes the movement of the enemy soldiers from the side, and the faces of the enemy soldiers are literally on the floor of the screen. If a civilian drone from a couple of kilometers to the side can make out the faces of the Azov people, then how can a normal operator not make out the whole Himars? Are you delirious, do you not follow the war? What communication channel should be in order to look at the enemy's faces on a fifty-inch plasma? And why doesn't the military have such a channel? What is this nonsense? Does such a channel greatly increase the cost compared to the Mavic 3?

[Hindu]

Quote: tralflot1832

I alone heard the exclamation: Oh Shedd!!! Doesn't it matter what the Americans say. The Antonov bridge is being repaired, there are no new damages.

Do not tell me, why was it even allowed to screw it up?

[poquello]

Quote: Hindu

Quote: tralflot1832

I alone heard the exclamation: Oh Shedd!!! Doesn't it matter what the Americans say. The Antonov bridge is being repaired, there are no new damages.

Do not tell me, why was it even allowed to screw it up?

then that a bucket of cement is cheaper than a bucket of gunpowder

[nik-mazur]

... video taken from a drone showing the destruction of the American HIMARS MLRS ...

Wanganul, without reading the comments, that at least half of them will be whining about the fact that nothing is visible, nothing is clear, why post this, why you can’t do it normally, and we don’t believe, they screwed up all the polymers ™.
Then I read the comments: you won’t believe it, but I guessed it ...

[Petr_Koldunov]

Who knows... I really want to believe that poor quality does not mean that in fact it was not highmars. It's just that if the fighting is of such a public nature, then I would like the proofs to be more proof.

[TatarinSSSR]

Destroyed Himars - super. Really good guys. But uploading such a video as evidence is such a thing ... With the same success one could write that they destroyed the B-2 Spirit. Still nothing is visible.

[Vadim Voroshilov]

are these announced at the beginning of August or two more after 05.08.22/XNUMX/XNUMX?
The Ukrainian side confirms the loss of Two HIMARS on 08 August.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/13512

[Zadok]

Quote: mongol9999

This is a data stream, energy costs for its processing, the increasing weight of the processing components, the complication of noise immunity during transmission

Hmm.. do you know how it all works? if I send a 3x4 photo, then it will crawl through the electronic warfare, but 9x12 is no longer there? so what? what are the "energy costs for processing"? you are delirious

[acetophenone]

Quote: Sexton

For you and everyone, read on...
https://militaryarms.ru/voennaya-texnika/aviaciya/rossijskij-razvedyvatelno-udarnyj-bpla-orion/

Thanks for the link. I just read this so far:

Soon it was possible to create a new engine control system, but after its installation, the next problems “surfaced” - Russian electronics use a current with a voltage of 27 volts, and the motor itself and its individual mechanisms were designed for 12 volts.

I couldn’t go further ... Blood from my eyes ...

[kig]

in Kyiv habitually deny high losses

- if you show a video of this quality as a confirmation of an event, then you don’t need much intelligence to deny the event. I wouldn't believe it either. Well, the road, forest plantations, explosion - and what exploded? However, why should we try to convince the enemy and his overseas friends? The problem is not with them, whether they believe or not, and not with the readers of VO. It is also desirable for our command to know what mumbled there ... let's hope that they show him a normal picture.

[Muradis]

It is necessary to de-jackalize RF optics

[AleksT]

Definitely something blew up. But what? Let's guess and believe

[rtutaloe]

Well, with what joy should one believe that this is Himars? For questions of faith, contact the Church. And either give me obvious evidence, or don't star. And I have long ceased to be a believer in blah blah blah. I am not one of the fanatics of Konashenkov, nor of Arestovich, nor of any other. Somewhere, someone somehow blew something up. Why can't it be, for example, an attack by Azerbaijani artillery on an Armenian truck in the foothills of Nagorno-Karabakh when guided from a drone? Or did the same Azerbaijani or Ukrainian Bayraktar shoot at artillery? Maybe an ordinary strike by a Russian drone on the positions of a Ukrainian D-30 or Msta-B. Then you can easily blur the video quality in any editor. Maybe it's actually Brad Pitt's orgasm spied on by the paparazzi? What is it???

[Alexey Lobanov]

Strange comments under the article, highmars is no different from thousands and thousands of destroyed Ragul tanks, batterers and other equipment. Like, the Abrikosov technique is invulnerable? How vulnerable!

[iouris]

"Every Hymars has a first and last name" (comrade Stalin)

[starley]

you need to look at both
one high-resolution camera - overview,
another, simpler, for aiming

[iouris]

Look at least three times. Instrumental reconnaissance should be comprehensive: radar (in various ranges), infrared reconnaissance stations and cameras (optical range).
But there is a (weak) hope for Iran (there, in the government, they do not rule with cash flows, but they are engaged in business).
But, in general, you need to call all the newly appointed figures and shoot over their heads, like: "I won't miss another time." And if you didn't miss the first time, then it's okay ... The time is like this: harsh. The life of the state is at stake.

[Third district]

Quote: iouris

But, in general, you need to call all the newly appointed figures and shoot over their heads, like: "I won't miss another time." And if the first time you didn’t miss, then nothing ...

No harm will happen. Because they are of no use, zero. They move from place to place. Hanging out one and the same deck, for how many years.

[iouris]

It's true. But the question is different: how many more years will they be allowed to shuffle abstaatilism?

[Dedok]

Quote: iouris

But there is a (weak) hope for Iran (there, in the government, they do not rule with cash flows, but they are engaged in business).

+100500

[rtutaloe]

Quote: Alexey Lobanov

Strange comments under the article. Like, is the Abrikosov technique invulnerable? How vulnerable!

You made a weird comment. You might think you're invulnerable. How vulnerable. True, no one has destroyed you yet. It's obvious. Although, if you live long, I think you tried, didn't you? Especially since billions have already died before you. Maybe on this basis you are dead? Oh my God! A corpse writes to us! It's logical!

And you did not try not to replace the facts with theories at all? Theory is not fact. The theory may be quite logical, but not work. And the fact may not fit into logic at all, but have an obvious presence in this world. No need to try to replace one with another.

[Victor Chernenko]

For those who love the video, after tonight, silence is like in Eden, the boilers in hell are full, they got to the right place, the line to Bandera lined up very long, yesterday it was hot. I personally saw and heard the work.

[rtutaloe]

Where is the silence? I can't hear her?

[Victor Chernenko]

You have a cisco in your head.

[rtutaloe]

Eccentric, I'm from Makeevka, and where are you from, troll? Maybe it's the silence in your head, weirdo? I have a regular broads all over the city. You can come and listen, it's not far away. ))

[Victor Chernenko]

At mykolok burns, it means in suit

[GNM]

The systematic destruction of HIMARS may indicate the creation of a special group that hunts American MLRS and long-range Western artillery systems.

That makes me happy! And the quality of the video is a matter of faith. I believe in our soldiers. As far as I know, the issue of confirming the defeat of the target and bonuses for them in our Armed Forces since the Second World War has been well posed. Both pilots and artillerymen after the war walked well on them. The pilots did not count everything, although at the end of the war they provided a video report. The writer Y. Bondarev ("Hot Snow", "Battalions ask for fire") - an artilleryman, told at a meeting with readers, after the war he could not immediately enter a Moscow university, the money for the wrecked tanks was enough for a whole year of going to restaurants.

[DominickS]

Again, some kind of scam.

[Slavake]

Well, why put it on the net, you can't see shit there.

[Carlos Hall]

This is wonderful, far-reaching news. Destroying HIMARS, as Shoigu asked, was a priority.

[Hindu]

Quote: poquello

Quote: Hindu

Quote: tralflot1832

I alone heard the exclamation: Oh Shedd!!! Doesn't it matter what the Americans say. The Antonov bridge is being repaired, there are no new damages.

Do not tell me, why was it even allowed to screw it up?

then that a bucket of cement is cheaper than a bucket of gunpowder

Oh, how easy it is for you! A bridge is something, in itself, in a vacuum. I took some cement and fixed it. The fighting at this time is paused. That is, the period while there is no bridge did not affect military logistics in any way?

[Inokkenty]

Well, this is strange and scary for you Vushnikov, but ours just deployed a pontoon bridge nearby ....

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Hindu

I took some cement and fixed it. The fighting at this time is paused ...

See how to fix it. If by civil standards, then this is a week or two. If according to the military, then the patency is restored in a few hours, and possibly in a few minutes. Plus, there are floating conveyors, ferries, floating and prefabricated bridges (the latter are even on civilian markets and can be up to 600 meters long).
So, the fighting from the absence of a bridge, by any means, does not stop, since the army, by definition, must act in conditions where everything is destroyed, and deadly pieces of iron fall on your head. Having a whole bridge is a nice bonus that speeds up the process. The lack of bridges is the norm, not a catastrophe that makes everything fall apart.
Purely for an example: the restoration of bridges in a military way.

[shinobi]

Poor quality of filming? Like debris flew in different directions, with pieces of bodies mixed up. How fun it was burning.

[tolmachiev51]

The video is not so hot, but it looks like it was made from an ordinary Chinese drone. If with a UAV and even manage high-precision!? then respect to the operator !!!

[military_cat]

If the Chinese were selling drones with such a wildness, no one would buy them.

[ValeraKrasovski]

Even when the last handout of the ovs is destroyed, their serfs, the Ukronazis, and their lords themselves, will claim that this is a lie. According to the ovs, their "perfect" equipment cannot be destroyed by the "barbaric" Russian

[Kapany3]

Quote from: Imperium_Aeterna

It's not about the quality of shooting from the "screen", here the problem is the UAVs themselves.
If shooting from the "eagle", then there is a lot of things "poked" from civilian electronics, most likely the cameras themselves. Then ask the manufacturer to buy something more expensive. In my philistine opinion, it is difficult to single out something intelligible in this mess of pixels. What do the operators think about this - xs, but they will also be happy with the improvement in quality.

Shooting from a height of several kilometers aggravates the whole matter.
In short, everyone will be happy with the improvement in quality - both the operators, and the infantry of which to occupy positions, and the suppliers - it will be possible to shoot from high altitudes, there is less risk of shooting down the UAV itself. "Photomodels" just can't like it. You just need to get in touch with the manufacturer.

If you think that target designation is transmitted by transmitting a picture, you are deeply mistaken, target designation is the exact coordinates - a set of numbers and signs, and the camera has nothing to do with it. And the layman does not have to see the bloody lumps flying in different directions

[TerraSandera]

It is the quality of the picture that is responsible for what the operator will see earlier, and most importantly, it identifies the target AND from a greater distance. Whether it's a civilian water carrier, or an ammunition truck, or Hymars, or whatever.
Regarding targeting. For example, when detecting a target and pointing Krasnopol, they use Orlan 30, Outpost, a pacer (of which there are almost none) for laser target designation. Aircraft controllers, scouts, etc., can also be illuminated with the same laser. You say the picture is not important? Well then, in your opinion, and turntables, is not important for Pturov?

[stankow]

The UAV does not transmit coordinates. Just pictures. From this picture, manually or with the help of small programs, photogrammers take coordinates of identified targets.

[rtutaloe]

Not so complicated programs. The operator is orientated on the ground, and on the second tablet he simply drives this point into a Google map or something similar. And there they clearly give data on the coordinates of the GPS. This is the Admin from the RSOTM channel. And he was a UAV operator during the storming of Mariupol.

[stankow]

Exactly. Just not Googlemaps, there are intentional offsets. And not GPS coordinates, the Russian military has its own coordinate system.

[rtutaloe]

Well, yes. I'm simplifying a bit. GPS for Russian users specifically gives a deviation of 200-500 m from the desired point. So sewn up by the Americans.

[stankow]

No, less. But still Glonass is more accurate.

[rtutaloe]

Less is how much? The Ukrainian side insists on 200 meters.

[Luenkov]

For whose money? What are the taxpayers? What kind of economic nonsense? The US Federal Reserve paints on zeros to significant numbers of the US government debt. These amounts are transferred to banks and they buy real oil, metals, products for these types of assets. That this year they began to eat more if the world is starving? No! The deficit is formed by the support of the "debt" of the United States. These Hymers will be indebted to the children of those who will remain with the name Ukraine, but the organizers of the Maidan idiocy will not be there, they will leave what they created, like Yaitsevnyukh, the children of Stalin and Khrushchev ... This is life ...

[stoqn477]

Something exploded in the trees, and that was it. I have no idea what it is. But in no case can one say that this is the Himaris MLRS.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Here's a good video as a background. I couldn't find the original source.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Well, we've already found it. Here.
https://topwar.ru/199997-v-seti-pojavilos-video-unichtozhenija-ukrainskih-tankov-artilleristami-10-j-brigady-lnr.html

[Hindu]

Quote from: nik-mazur

Quote: Hindu

I took some cement and fixed it. The fighting at this time is paused ...

See how to fix it. If by civil standards, then this is a week or two. If according to the military, then the patency is restored in a few hours, and possibly in a few minutes. Plus, there are floating conveyors, ferries, floating and prefabricated bridges (the latter are even on civilian markets and can be up to 600 meters long).
So, the fighting from the absence of a bridge, by any means, does not stop, since the army, by definition, must act in conditions where everything is destroyed, and deadly pieces of iron fall on your head. Having a whole bridge is a nice bonus that speeds up the process. The lack of bridges is the norm, not a catastrophe that makes everything fall apart.
Purely for an example: the restoration of bridges in a military way.

Thanks for the information and photos, I’m sure it all works for the military. But this is overcoming the problem. But the essence of the question was - why create problems? To then heroically decide? Was the importance of the bridge underestimated that it was not covered properly? And then for some reason they boasted that there are now as many as 400 there. For some reason they also wrote about cement and gunpowder. Well, logic. Let them say that they will ruin everything, but they will go bankrupt and be poor. And we rich people will fix everything and give them more bream....

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Hindu

why create problems?

Do you know a way to fight without missing a single blow?
And if the bridge had not been properly covered, it would not have existed long ago.
Again, even a damaged bridge does not lead to combat paralysis, as you assumed.
All other complaints about the S-400, cement, gunpowder and the ruin of the enemy are to those who wrote and said all this. For some reason, I am sure that these are not active officers, but, most likely, retired military personnel, journalists, reporters, bloggers and other various experts.

[Sergey Nikiforov]

According to our report, it’s already 16, everything, everyone has been destroyed by Peremoga, and the personnel are already 130% of the payroll

[nik-mazur]

Could you please spoil me with a proof about the 16 destroyed Khimars in our reports? Otherwise, I only noticed six.

[Dedok]

Quote: mongol9999

Megapixels are not just a picture. This is the data flow, the energy consumption for its processing, the increasing weight of processing components

compare cameras: Canon 10d and Canon 5d MarkIV: the weight is almost the same, but the “10” produces only 6,5 MP, and the “heel” - 30 MP; At the same time, the “piglet” shoots video in 4K quality.
therefore, the “cloudy” picture is a desire to “save” on the product, but why...?

[decimalegio]

The official channels say it's Khimar, and then we take this leap of faith, but as the ancient "" "amica Russia said, sed magis amica veritas. So, I watched the video and I have to say that for me it didn't see anything for sure.

[Hindu]

Quote from: nik-mazur

Quote: Hindu

why create problems?

Do you know a way to fight without missing a single blow?
And if the bridge had not been properly covered, it would not have existed long ago.
Again, even a damaged bridge does not lead to combat paralysis, as you assumed.
All other complaints about the S-400, cement, gunpowder and the ruin of the enemy are to those who wrote and said all this. For some reason, I am sure that these are not active officers, but, most likely, retired military personnel, journalists, reporters, bloggers and other various experts.

You know, the rather crafty phrase “he who does nothing makes no mistakes” writes off all sins and mistakes, sometimes with dire consequences.
Are there a dozen or a hundred of these bridges? What can you sacrifice one or the other? And if he is the only one, he should have been properly covered. And not by trial method.
By the way, according to the latest news, the Armed Forces of Ukraine continue to bully him.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Hindu

...if he is the only one...

This bridge is not the only one. And he was not destroyed. What would definitely happen if the bridge was not covered properly.
However, nothing prevents you from contacting the Ministry of Defense and offering your own version of the correct cover. I think that the military will gladly seize on a method of absolutely impenetrable protection of strategic objects...

[ares1988]

Funny video. Where are Himars?

[wladimirjankov]

The main thing is that we hit it. This can be seen even in a bad camera.

[3danimal]

The video is of terrible quality, it’s not even clear what they hit.
Is this really an American MLRS?