Spain has started sending to Ukraine a batch of M113 armored personnel carriers removed from mothballing

The Spanish M113 armored personnel carriers promised to Kyiv will soon enter service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine. According to the Spanish resource Infodefensa, the Spanish government has launched a mechanism for the delivery of armored vehicles to Ukraine.

According to the announced information, a total of 20 (twenty) M113 tracked armored personnel carriers, removed from conservation, will go to Ukraine. This figure is the same as previously announced by the Spanish government. In addition to 20 armored personnel carriers, the Spaniards previously promised ten more tanks Leopard 2A4, also removed from storage, but Kyiv will definitely not receive tanks. According to the Minister of Defense of the country, Margarita Robles, it was decided to refuse their transfer, since they are in a "deplorable state."

Earlier, Madrid stated that the scheme for the transfer of equipment provides for several stages, within which it is first transferred to Kyiv only according to documents, after which Ukraine must finance the modernization of tanks and armored personnel carriers. All this time the equipment will be in the territory of Spain and only after the work will be transferred to the territory of Ukraine. However, according to the publications of the Spanish press, all twenty armored personnel carriers will be transferred to Ukraine free of charge. At the same time, Madrid says directly that such assistance "is unlikely to satisfy Zelensky."

At the same time, another Spanish publication adds that along with armored vehicles, Ukraine will also receive anti-aircraft missiles, we are talking about the Spada / Skyguard Aspide air defense system. Previously, Kyiv must receive an air defense system data battery and ammunition for it from the presence of the Spanish army.

The Spada / Skyguard Aspide missile system was in service with the Spanish army from 1985 to 2020, after which it was withdrawn from service due to its obsolescence. In addition, the warranty period for the storage of ammunition has expired.

Comments

[maxim1987]

all rubbish is thrown into Ukraine. We already need to demand commissions from the EU for recycling

[HAM]

It seems that this rubbish is being collected all over Europe so that we can use newer weapons, including Calibers, to destroy it .... cunning, however ...

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

all rubbish is thrown into Ukraine.

20 pieces of M113 are not trash, but a protected vehicle, much more protected than the Urals and Kamaz trucks on which our soldiers move and come under artillery fire at the front.

And if we take into account that equipment in Europe is very protected, then the condition of these 20 armored personnel carriers is close to ideal.

[Cottodraton]

How do they protect her? Do you have regulations, protocols? Or is it again late-Soviet "everything is better by definition at the dawn"?

[Vlodek]

processing of scrap metal at the restored Azovstal will become the first source of income for the UASR

[Comrade I]

Only now the first stage of "recycling" will happen at the front, when all this "junk" will shoot at our soldiers.

[Vlodek]

m113 initially not the best armored personnel carrier. now not much more dangerous than a "shaitanka" with a cliff

[Thrifty]

There, scraping around the bottom of the barrel in Europe, old tanks, the same M60 for a couple of divisions, is not difficult to recruit. ....

[Comrade I]

Can. The modified M60s will not be much inferior to our T-72s. And if it is used in the same tactics as our T-64s, then there is practically no difference.
What are you laughing about?

[Thrifty]

Comrade I, there is such a thing as "logistics, given the diversity in military equipment, for Kyiv this very logistics is a curse at least.

[Thrifty]

Comrade I, there is such a thing as "logistics, given the diversity in military equipment, for Kyiv this very logistics is a curse at least.

[The leader of the Redskins]

I wonder how long these "streams" for the supply of equipment from Europe will last?
I'm not talking about America - there is a cornucopia in this sense ...

[Flooding]

Welcome back!

It seems that the Spanish francoists are taking revenge for past grievances.

[U_GOREC]

Quote: Flood

It seems that the Spanish francoists are taking revenge for past grievances.

And what are the Macedonians taking revenge for?

[Flooding]

Quote from U_GOREC

And what are the Macedonians taking revenge for?

The right question.
For Alexander the Great, of course.
They can't forgive him for passing by such rich territories.

[Vlodek]

for the helmet they take revenge, which they found in the hole!

[Vlodek]

for the helmet they take revenge, which they found in the hole!

[The leader of the Redskins]

Thank you.
In principle, I watched the articles "from the outside". He noted how the rhetoric of some authors began to change)))
Revenge? Hardly. They would take revenge on the USSR. And Ukraine ... Many Spaniards, probably, will not find it on the map. They simply fulfill their obligations to their partners. It's a pity they didn't put "Leopards". Two dozen is not so much, and the confrontation with 72/90... Unreal reality.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Two dozen Leopards are two tank companies, and they would deliver excellent tanks and problems, and we already have enough of them.

[The leader of the Redskins]

I almost agree with you.
I myself, as a tanker, admit that for the crews now the most profitable is the Merkava, and then the Leopard ...
But in the current confrontation, I have to admit that anti-tank weapons have overtaken armor. Tanks hit from above, hit "smartly", hit "quietly" ....

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

But in the current confrontation, I have to admit that anti-tank weapons have overtaken armor. Tanks hit from above, hit "smartly", hit "quietly" ....

The problem is that the means of destruction are progressing, and the protection of our tanks has remained at the level of the 80s of the last century, the KAZ "Arena", the development of which began back in the 80s, has not yet hit the troops and this is just some kind of betrayal !!!

I don’t see any problems that would prevent at least one platoon in a company from having KAZ, and the KAZ itself can be made so that it also shoots down missiles flying into the upper hemisphere. KAZ increases the cost of the tank by 20-30%, but at the same time reduces losses at times.

Yes, a tank can be blown up by a mine and artillery can destroy it, but there are trawls, and it’s not so easy to hit a moving tank.

The most important thing is that KAZ would allow our tanks to confidently destroy the enemy's opposing forces with infantry without fear of anti-tank systems, and now our tanks are burning like plywood.

A bunch of mediocrity was talking nonsense about some kind of infantry next to the tank, although practice shows that when tanks attack strongholds and suppress firing points, there is no infantry near the tanks, this is not an attack during WW2, but a modern battle and our tanks are burning from ATGMs along with the crews, because there is no KAZ, and the infantry suffers losses, because the tanks cannot suppress the enemy’s opornik behind which the enemy’s artillery maneuvers perfectly and hits our positions with infantry and armored vehicles.

Now everyone who has been responsible for armored vehicles for the last 30 years must be brought to justice and to hell with the dog to be kicked out of the army, deprived of all titles and awards !!!

And it is necessary to work on the introduction of KAZ into the troops 24 hours a day !!!

[alexey sidykin]

Again, twenty-five ... I already thought that this topic had already been closed, but no, I can’t see ... Again, admirers of Java and Nlava got out ...

[igorka357]

To protect the tank from anti-tank systems, I repeat precisely from anti-tank systems, this is a whole range of measures, one KAZ will not do here. They tested it in Chechnya .. KAZ was blown away from simultaneous shelling from conventional RPGs from several directions at the same time. Of course, it will save you from a single attack, but the saturation of the enemy’s PTS is very high .. Deliveries from the west are coming, and our KAZ will have 5-8 of their ATGMs.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

To protect the tank from anti-tank systems, I repeat precisely from anti-tank systems, this is a whole range of measures, one KAZ will not do here. They tested it in Chechnya .. KAZ was blown away from simultaneous shelling from conventional RPGs from several directions at the same time. Of course, it will save you from a single attack, but the saturation of the enemy’s PTS is very high .. Deliveries from the west are coming, and our KAZ will have 5-8 of their ATGMs.

Well, try to fire at a tank from an RPG of any one that hits the opornik from 2-2,5 km, under the cover of a second tank, and even from several sides.

It’s good to talk nonsense about testing KAZ in Chechnya and about simultaneous shelling of a tank from ten sides, now our tanks are on fire from ONE rocket fired from 2-3 km !!!

Your logic is simply amazing, KAZ saves only from one missile, so you don’t need to put it on, let the guys burn, it’s all the same to the tank if you fire at it from all sides at once.

But in Israel, Germany and the USA, for some reason, they put KAZ on tanks, probably they are just stupid ?! Or maybe it’s not they who are stupid, but having won back from the 90s and suffering losses in tanks, we continue to ignore the KAZ that have been developed in our country since the 80s, they are offered for export, but it’s not in our army ?!

[igorka357]

That was not the point of my message. But come on, since they didn’t understand not about the battle at a distance, and not the use of the tank as an assault weapon, then I can’t fix this in your brain .. sorry. The United States and Israel do not use tanks like we do, and when the Americans used them in Iraq like we did, their abrashs burned with their kazas ... from ordinary sevens and vampires.

[hector]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

I wonder how long these "streams" for the supply of equipment from Europe will last?
I'm not talking about America - there is a cornucopia in this sense ...

Until Russia, in Ukraine, reaches the border with the EU.

[tihonmarine]

The Spada / Skyguard Aspide missile system was in service with the Spanish army from 1985 to 2020, after which it was withdrawn from service due to its obsolescence.

Also, the Spaniards will give Ukraine 76-mm anti-aircraft guns of the 1914/15 model (3-inch Lender anti-aircraft gun):

[Egoza]

The equipment transfer scheme provides for several stages, within which it is first transferred to Kyiv only according to documents, after which Ukraine must finance the modernization of tanks and armored personnel carriers. All this time the equipment will be in the territory of Spain and only after the work will be transferred to the territory of Ukraine

Well done Spaniards! They give old tanks "for free" after financing their modernization. ))) I think that they are well aware that there will be no "prepayment" from Ukraine, but they "save face")))

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

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- Stock: Exchange of old equipment for new...

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[Dmitry Potapov]

Can we somehow help the Catalans and Basques with explosives, for example?

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Do the Catalans and Basques really want to fight?

No, they will not fight, the maximum that they will do is to peacefully push through a referendum on secession, and then, if Spain allows it.

[U_GOREC]

I immediately reserve - we, to the tank museum in Verkhnaya Pyshma, a couple. One with a red cross and one plain...

[Nexcom]

When are we going to look at the museum?

[U_GOREC]

Quote: Nexcom

When are we going to look at the museum?

At 6 pm, after the war...

[svp67]

SAM Spada / Skyguard Aspide.

the media used the name SHORAD Aspide, but in fact SHORAD is just a type of anti-aircraft missile system - Short Range Air Defense (Short Range Air Defense). In the Spanish army, this air defense system is also called Toledo, and Aspide is just the name of the missile.
At the same time, the Aspide rocket was created in the early 70s by the Italian company Selenia (known by its newer name Alenia Aeronautica, now part of Leonardo) based on a licensed version of the American AIM-7 Sparrow air-to-air missile.
Compared to Sparrow, the Italian Aspide received a new radar homing head, which demonstrates better noise immunity, updated electronics, a more powerful engine, and improved maneuverability due to a change in rudder drives.
The Italians also adapted the Aspide for surface launch, creating the Albatros naval anti-aircraft missile system and the land-based Skyguard. In the 80s, these Aspide missiles were purchased by Spain and integrated into a localized complex, called Toledo, also known as Spada, after the name of the launcher.

The Aspide missile in the ground-to-air version in the first version has a flight range of about 12 km and a maximum target altitude of up to 5,5-6 km. Since the missile has a semi-active radar homing head, the ground station must constantly irradiate the target. But, unlike other systems, the backlight radar is placed on the launcher itself, which allows you to fire at several targets at the same time.

To detect targets in the first versions of the complex, the Skyguard radar was used, developed in the 70s in collaboration with the Swiss company Oerlikon Contraves and the Swedish Ericsson. It has the ability to detect targets at ranges up to 20 km, and during development, the main emphasis was placed on working on low-altitude targets.

This radar was designed to control the 35-mm anti-aircraft installations of the GDF series, so they logically became part of the Spanish Toledo complex. Therefore, when it comes to Aspide air defense systems from Spain, we are talking about a complex that has two launchers for four Aspide missiles each, as well as two GDF anti-aircraft guns.

The latter have two twin barrels of 35-mm caliber, allowing effective fire at a range of up to 3,5-4 km, and the rate of fire is up to 1100 rounds per second.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

We also really need medium-range air defense systems, precisely as a complex where the launcher is separate, the radar, separately and the command post separately, so that if an air defense system is detected by radar radiation or a missile launch, the enemy could not destroy the entire complex with one missile, as is now happening with Pantsir, Buk.

[alexey sidykin]

Well, yes, well, yes ... where can we compete with the "Great West" ... we have everything ... both inflatable tanks and plywood planes. So according to you?

[Arkady007]

Is Spain a friendly country?

[Ionmoral]

Try to comply as a member of NATO...

[Ionmoral]

Let's see... Surely something will happen and the package will be delayed... As a result, it doesn't even send...!!! This is Spain!!!!

[AlexVas44]

Take it, wretchedly, what is worthless to us! ( Etymology)

[Ros 56]

If during the journey, the dog could grow up, then over 40 years of conservation, the equipment definitely did not become better.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

In Europe, equipment is stored carefully, not like in Russia.

Everything that can be stolen, removed and torn off while the equipment is at the base is stolen, removed and torn off and will not budge without a major overhaul.

It is worth learning from them how to take care of equipment, we will have a new aircraft for 60 million dollars in the open air all year round and in the heat at 35 and in the cold at -40, about strengthening the hangar and just sheds, which also do not allow for some reason they don’t think the enemy can see our planes.

Russian mismanagement is our feature and misfortune, from which we must urgently get rid of.

[Ros 56]

we will have a new plane for 60 million dollars in the open air all year round and in the heat at 35 and in the cold at -40,

By and large, this is called reliable technology.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

By and large, this is called reliable technology.

This is called mismanagement, saving on matches, which in the end brings more damage than savings.

In addition, the absence of hangars allows the enemy to know the number of our aircraft, tanks and other equipment with an accuracy of 1 unit and to know about their whereabouts!!!

[Ros 56]

Everything is clear with you.

[alexey sidykin]

Look at the storage of technical equipment in the states ...

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Look at the storage of technical equipment in the states ...

I saw that everything is very correct and economical, and there are hangars and shelters, and this despite the fact that their climate is more favorable.

[alexey sidykin]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Look at the storage of technical equipment in the states ...

I saw that everything is very correct and economical, and there are hangars and shelters, and this despite the fact that their climate is more favorable.

yeah, but the hangars are invisible?

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

This is the US Air Force Davis-Monten Air Base in Arizona, the photos show decommissioned aircraft, while they are not disposed of, but preserved and often returned to service if needed.

There is very little rainfall in this area and such storage of decommissioned equipment is justified, while in Russia new equipment is stored in this way both in frost and in heat and in rain and snow. Do you understand the difference?

[alexey sidykin]

No, no, no ... let's talk about the hangars where the equipment is stored ... don't nod at the weather. Conservation is a decommissioned but not disposed of equipment. You were talking about the hangars where the planes are, so I ask you and the Yankees invisible hangars? Maybe there is no snow-frost, but there are enough dust storms.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Firstly, we are talking about the storage of all especially new equipment, and secondly, here is an example of the storage of decommissioned equipment in Europe

And dust storms are in Saudi Arabia and Africa, as you can see, the equipment has been stored at a base in Arizona for decades and it has not been covered with sand.

Apparently, you did not serve in the Russian army, and that is why you cannot realize the difference in how they store equipment with us and with them.

[alexey sidykin]

It seems like you didn’t even study at school just because you don’t know that there are dust storms everywhere where there are large open spaces)))) And I served in the army and I know very well that the equipment standing constantly in the garage, in our climate, will be covered faster than under the open sky .. ..

[alexey sidykin]

Yeah ... hangars in the States are canceled anyway)))

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Yeah ... hangars in the States are canceled anyway)))

[alexey sidykin]

And lying is not good ... or do you think that no one knows how to use the Internet? All these pictures have nothing to do with conservation: the first is from a base in Lithuania, the second is from Poland ... and on the last, planes from Florida are generally sheltered from a hurricane ... and above with a comment BMP-1 are former GDR, former Swedish and prepared by a Czech company Excalibur Army to be sent to Iraq ... At least you checked whether the pictures you intend to emboss.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

All these pictures have nothing to do with conservation: the first one is from a base in Lithuania, the second one is from Poland...

Your stubbornness and stupidity are astounding.

You see that even during exercises in Lithuania, equipment is kept in hangars, there are plenty of hangars in the United States itself, and huge ones in which you can immediately shelter a dozen aircraft !!! Is this not an indicator of the attitude to the storage of equipment? And so in all Western countries!!! There BMP-1 removed from conservation and T-72 practically like new from the factory !!! And people like you continue to convince everyone that it is normal when the equipment is in the open air, it is reliable with us.

Where are you coming from?!

You, in your pseudo-patriotic frenzy, do not see the problem with us, you continue to assert that in the USA equipment is stored only in the open.

Now look what such mediocrity has led to -

Do you recognize? Published last night.

Well, now you will argue that hangars are not needed ?!

If there were even light hangars there, the enemy would not be able to determine where the planes were concentrated, otherwise they hit the very center and hit a bunch of equipment at a time for about 500 million dollars.

[alexey sidykin]

In ... it's like ... I want to remind you that it was not about equipment that is in service, but about decommissioned and mothballed ... I provided you with just such a picture from the USA ... you began to spread whatever it got. .. I will therefore stop the conversation, because in fact you will confirm your words that over the hill the equipment is being mothballed in hangars, you have nothing to do.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

I wrote about the equipment that is stored in Europe, and I brought photos, but you climbed up with your comment about the storage of equipment in the USA, they say, they have it like ours. No, not like ours, equipment is also stored in hangars there, it’s just that they don’t dispose of a huge amount of it and part of the decommissioned equipment, but continue to store it at a special military base.

And the other day, the dill military airfield was unwound in our country, a bunch of planes were destroyed, and all because there is no shelter for them, which allows the enemy to know how many planes we have and where they are.

[alexey sidykin]

I repeat once again it was about the EQUIPMENT THAT IS IN CONSERVATION, you could not confirm your words with a single picture ... and since when did the air base from Florida and the Abrams manufacturing (modernization) plant begin to be located in Europe?

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Once again to you, I WROTE ABOUT TECHNOLOGY IN EUROPE !!!

AND ABOUT THE USA I WROTE, IN AN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, THAT THERE ALSO THE EQUIPMENT IS STORED IN THE HANGARS AND PROTECTED, UNLIKE US!!!

[alexey sidykin]

Prove that it was about equipment that was not in service ... you never brought the docks.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

In Europe, equipment is stored carefully, not like in Russia.

Everything that can be stolen, removed and torn off while the equipment is at the base is stolen, removed and torn off and will not budge without a major overhaul.

It is worth learning from them how to take care of equipment, we will have a new aircraft for 60 million dollars in the open air all year round and in the heat at 35 and in the cold at -40, about strengthening the hangar and just sheds, which also do not allow for some reason they don’t think the enemy can see our planes.

Russian mismanagement is our feature and misfortune, from which we must urgently get rid of.

That's what it was originally about.

Here you, in your pseudo-patriotic frenzy, not wanting to admit the problem, decided to move to the USA for some reason, although I spoke about storing equipment in Europe -

Look at the storage of technical equipment in the states ...


I saw that everything is very correct and economical, and there are hangars and shelters, and this despite the fact that their climate is more favorable.

I answered you that in the United States they store equipment in hangars and they have enough hangars, but the fact that in the United States thousands of decommissioned aircraft, tanks and automotive equipment are stored at a special base in Arizona under the open sky, does not does not exclude careful storage, because this place with a minimum amount of rainfall is specially chosen for this and allows them to return even old aircraft to service, modernize them and sell them.

Where in Russia is this, with our snowfalls, frosts, rains? This is not. But you are trying to disguise this problem by saying that in the United States, as it were, part of the equipment is also stored this way without understanding absolutely the difference in the amount of equipment, in the climate and in the methods of its conservation.

Our problems must be solved, and in order to solve them, we must first RECOGNIZE!!! And you’ve been telling me like a sheep, what a day it’s been, saying that everything is fine, over there in the USA, also in Arizona, despite the fact that even during US exercises they keep and repair their equipment in hangars.

People like you in a pseudo-patriotic frenzy only bring harm to their country.

And a good example of this is the tragedy at the airfield in Saki.

[alexey sidykin]

That's all... it's clear you continue to play around with you... I think communication with you is useless for me, you have not been able to prove your words. For you could not provide equipment for STORAGE in hangars ... but give an example of an OPERATING military airfield as an example ...

[alexey sidykin]

Well, well... trust

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Well, well... trust me lol

What are the grounds for not believing? Maybe the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation somehow refutes this information? No, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation is silent, because it has again screwed up and buried its head in the sand, hoping to silence this miscalculation, as well as with many others.

I can understand that there is a war and everything is possible, but I am amazed at the stupidity of the statement about the absence of losses in equipment, knowing that the enemy can provide pictures of this area and instantly refute and disgrace the official statements of the RF Ministry of Defense.

Which is what happened in the end.

[alexey sidykin]

Well, after more than once they passed off our pictures as their own and uploaded frames from the computer. games ... you can continue to believe everything that ukrosmi give out. Someone may like noodles on their ears.

[rotmistr60]

M113 fought in Vietnam, stood in service in some NATO countries, incl. in Spain, somewhere was mothballed for a "rainy day". And this day has come, Ukraine rejoice. This is about the same as sending our BTR-60P (with a canvas top) or 60 PA of the same period to help someone.

[Carlos Hall]

This is outdated garbage.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

This is outdated garbage.

What is outdated? How is the M133 armored personnel carrier much inferior to the latest Russian armored personnel carrier - the BTR-MD "Rakushka"?

The M133 is not parachuted, but the location for the soldiers is much more convenient, the wounded and what cargo to load and unload is also easier and more convenient.

It's time to seriously evaluate the enemy, and not yell that everything they have is garbage, and we have everything the most advanced !!!

[Carlos Hall]

They are replaced by Dragons, which by the way are produced on my land specifically in Trubia.

[Architect]

The Spaniards apparently forgot the terrorist attacks in March 2004.
Of course, terrorist methods against civilians cannot be approved, but they apparently do not understand otherwise.