Polish media claims that Iran allegedly sent its UAVs and pilots to Russia to train how to fly the Su-35

Information has appeared on the Internet that Iran has allegedly already sent the first batch of unmanned aerial vehicles to the Russian Federation. This is written by the Polish resource Wiadomosci.

Along with the UAV, Iranian military pilots also arrived in Russia, according to the Polish publication. They allegedly have to take a course in the operation of Russian Su-35 fighters. According to the Polish author, this may indicate the forthcoming transfer of Russian Su-35 fighter aircraft to Iran. Moscow can thank Tehran with them for helping with drones. This is also the opinion of specialists from the US Institute of Military Studies, analyzing the latest reports on the strengthening of military-technical cooperation between Russia and Iran.

The supply of Su-35 aircraft to Iran, if it happens, will significantly increase the combat capability of the Islamic Republic's air force. In turn, Iranian UAVs can well help the Russian armed forces participating in a special military operation in Ukraine. In recent years, Iran has made great progress in the production of unmanned aerial vehicles.

By the way, Iranian-made drones have already been tested in the battles of the Houthis against the troops of Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. Unlike the Turkish Bayraktar UAVs, which were used against weaker opponents - rebel groups in North Africa and the Middle East and the troops of Nagorno-Karabakh, Iranian UAVs were used just by the weaker side (Houthis) against objects in Saudi Arabia and the UAE. And this application was quite successful, according to many foreign analysts. For example, with the help of Iranian drones managed to hit the largest oilfield facilities in Saudi Arabia.

In turn, Ukraine continues to experience difficulties with the acquisition of Western weapons. So, it became known about the refusal of Spain to transfer to Kyiv Tanks Leopard. According to El Mundo, Spanish Defense Minister Margarita Robles refused to transfer German-made tanks to the Ukrainian army due to their poor technical condition. There is also a delay in the supply of equipment from Germany: the Bundeswehr has repeatedly stated that if the entire volume of weapons that Kyiv asks for is transferred to Ukraine, then the FRG itself will remain unarmed.

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[neworange88]

. They allegedly have to take a course in the operation of Russian Su-35 fighters. According to the Polish author, this may indicate the forthcoming transfer of Russian Su-35 fighter aircraft to Iran. Moscow can thank Tehran with them for helping with drones. This is also the opinion of specialists from the US Institute of Military Studies, analyzing the latest reports on the strengthening of military-technical cooperation between Russia and Iran.

Allegedly, maybe highley huskies. So do the experts of the US Institute of Military Studies, and as you know they never lie. Yeah. And what about not Sarmat right away, but only Su-35 for drones?

[January]

A very good idea in principle. Russia will receive good UAVs, a new market for the military-industrial complex, and additional "ties" in the Middle East. Plus a yellow card to the states and their Middle Eastern friends.
I hope this isn't gossip.

[neworange88]

. Russia will get good UAVs

Not bad? This is a temporary measure. Until we rivet our UAVs in the right amount.

.new market for the military-industrial complex

Iran will not buy the Su-35. Yes, no one will sell it to him.
Iran has a mass-produced combat training Corsair, the Kaher-313 fighter. Maybe buy something from China.

[January]

Quote from: neworange88

Not bad? This is a temporary measure. Until we rivet our UAVs in the right amount.

Who will rivet? Kronstadt, where the paint on the roof of the hangars has not yet dried? In order to "rivet in the right quantity" and I would also like to have time, experience, money and design bureaus in quality. And the roasted rooster pecked us only in the spring ....
Of course, everything will be. But then. And now, yesterday.
And about the kaher .... There are rumors that these are generally papier-mâché fantasies on the F35 theme.
Su 35 is still a real flying tit, which is in every way better than an abstract "crane", which no one has ever seen alive ...

[Third district]

Quote from: neworange88

Russia will get good UAVs


Not bad? This is a temporary measure. Until we rivet our UAVs in the right amount.

We have been "riveting" our own drones since 2008, after the eight-day war. Then they seriously started talking about the need for a variety of drones in the troops. But only things are still there. A wide range of drones has indeed been developed, but only for the most part, in single samples.

[January]

Quote: Third District

We have our own drones "riveted"

And did you screw up a lot? Well, you answer yourself:

Quote: Third District

A wide range of drones has indeed been developed, but only for the most part, in single samples.

Then what are you arguing about?
We need not units, but mass production. Now. Immediately. And he is not. And there won't be tomorrow. Well, if in a year another ...

[alystan]

Until we rivet our UAVs in the right amount.

It would be better to decide which models and in what quantity / quality to "rivet". And then there is a lot of news about new drones, but either the appearance of the tireless work of science and industry in this direction is created, but in fact there is only an expansion of the product range, and even then, for the most part, on paper ...

[Grits]

Quote from: neworange88

Iran will not buy Su-35

Probably, such a deal would be expensive for Iran. Too much drones will have to be given away for a batch of Su-35s, plus weapons, plus pilot training, plus maintenance, plus spare parts.

[alystan]

Probably, such a deal would be expensive for Iran. Too much drones will have to be given away for a batch of Su-35s, plus weapons, plus pilot training, plus maintenance, plus spare parts.

And I don't think so. You ask what Iran produces and can produce.

According to the Federal Customs Service of the Russian Federation, the volume of trade between our two countries in 2021 exceeded $4 billion, which is 81,7% more than a year earlier. And this is after a breakdown in relations between countries technically engineered by Dimon.

Another step in the restoration of truly mutually beneficial cooperation will be an exclusive Iranian exhibition, which will be held in Moscow in the first ten days of September.

And since an agreement on preferential trade has been concluded between Iran and the Eurasian Economic Union, the Russian market can become an ideal platform for the access of Iranian goods, especially building materials, food, agricultural products, petrochemicals, iron and steel, minerals, clothing and industrial equipment, not to mention entering other markets throughout the EAEU.

Recently, an assessment of the well-known American analytical center Responsible Statecraft was announced, which boils down to the fact that US sanctions pressure on Iran and Russia not only did not weaken both countries, as Washington intended, but, on the contrary, became an additional incentive to strengthen political and economic ties between them.

[ramzay21]

Not bad? This is a temporary measure. Until we rivet our UAVs in the right amount.

These fairy tales have been heard since 2008, and there is nothing but a tent with exhibitions and ostentatious exercises, and there will be no state system.
If our leadership of the country, the army and the military-industrial complex thought about the interests of our Motherland and not about their pockets and the interests of their other motherlands, then UAVs of all classes would have been mass-produced since the early 2000s and would have been in service in large quantities, and designers There were UAVs and samples ready for production in the early 2000s, but no one needed them, including those who now lead the country, the army and the military-industrial complex.

Iran will not buy the Su-35. Yes, no one will sell it to him.

Now Iran can be sold those Su-35s that other countries abandoned due to sanctions in exchange for UAVs. It's a good deal for us and for them.

[Sorus]

For us - who is this for? Voronezh and Kursk are so straight with all hands for. Yes, yes, give those 35 to the Iranians. After all, it is obvious that they need them in various ways. And of course, what it costs us is to build a house. We’ve been preparing our flyers for 35 for the fourth year already, we’re preparing everything, we’re preparing, we’ll cook soon, so let’s pour in a bunch of Iranians. What a pity we are.

[ramzay21]

Yes, yes, give those 35 to the Iranians. After all, it is obvious that they need them in various ways.

Just do not blame the sick head on a healthy one. Air Force schools were closed under Putin, while under him money was thrown away on useless shows and window dressing instead of buying weapons, including modern aircraft. And the fact that he surrounded himself with thieves and traitors is also his fault and not our people.

Now several hundred strike UAVs are much more important for our army than a dozen Su-35s, and even in export versions.
And the fact that we are now forced to choose between the purchase of strike UAVs and the supply of Su-35s, which we ourselves lack, is also a question for Putin and his entourage. What were they thinking for 20 years?

And Iranian pilots will retrain on the Su-35 and not study, these are two huge differences. And if someone was not smart enough to keep the centers of retraining and advanced training, then it's time to restore them.

[Sorus]

Closed and done right. KVVAUL does an excellent job with its duties. Graduates are now more than enough, and with a good touch in the school. There are problems in individual regiments and believe me, they are in no way connected with the presence of only one flight school, Lipetsk and, even more so. with Putin.
But what, Iran UAVs only agree to give in exchange for 35?

[Alex777]

Last year, after Egypt's refusal of 24, they
paid for Su-35 (the United States threatened to stop
supply of spare parts for the F-16), between the Russian Federation and Iran was
an agreement was reached that the planes would be picked up
Iran, and Egypt instead of $ 3 billion will receive Iranian
oil. At the same time, the training of IRI pilots began.
And if, suddenly, assume that the Iranians are real
flew, it smacks of the transfer of aircraft.
PS Of course, everything is at the level of assumptions. But
and a certain strain in relations with Israel,
also could not come from nothing. We are waiting, we are watching.

[alystan]

And what about not Sarmat right away, but only the Su-35 for drones?

And why did you suddenly decide that this is barter?
Military-technical cooperation is expanding, and the Iranians were the first to offer their UAVs.
Dimon needs to be given a kick so that he does not forget all his treacherous decisions, otherwise he has begun to feel like a gogol again recently ...

[Cottodraton]

I completely agree. Polish chatterboxes imagine themselves to be super spies and everyone knows that! Even ahead of the owners...

[tralflot1832]

Is there sometimes good news from Poland?

[neworange88]

Did you mean to say that Polish authors from the media have a good fantasy?

[tralflot1832]

Not the right word, I have been reading the Western press since morning - just for the sake of laughter. This bomb will be in all Western news agencies, the Poles even surpassed the Anglo-Saxons.

[isv000]

Quote: tralflot1832

Is there sometimes good news from Poland?

It's high time to fix the jamb with the S-300, you can be friends with the Persians, they are so good at putting striped marines on their knees!

[Normann]

For some reason, they are not eager to fight against the IRGC, it’s not to drive barmaley across the desert.

[Alien From]

Exactly, never!

[alystan]

I agree with you. Here's another one from an unnamed Polish political scientist who said that Poland is already "drawn" into a death spiral!

[isv000]

Quote: alystan

I agree with you. Here's another one from an unnamed Polish political scientist who said that Poland is already "drawn" into a death spiral!

Gold words! And how self-critical!

[GNM]

Good news!
The first time the hand does not rise pshek spread rot and troll.

[Uprun]

And what. jealous? There is no money for their flyers in the states to retrain on the F-16. Two sovereign states agree on whatever they want, tobacco did not give a word. Well, please, hechemon, maybe it will feel better ...

[Nexcom]

Yes, they have been dissecting on the F16 since 2014. And the simulator was bought at the same time. True one. In Warsaw, they have it, if I don’t confuse anything.

[Amateur]

Well sent and sent. What's the deal with the Poles?

[Okakakiev]

You say that like it's a bad thing

[Leshak]

I wanted it to be so, but something tells me that these are just the fantasies of Western "partners".

[rocket757]

Polish media claims that Iran allegedly sent its UAVs and pilots to Russia to train how to fly the Su-35

. A simple question ... did someone call them to discuss it?

[alystan]

They are with the Lithuanians two plugs for all holes ...
The Lithuanians were already in a hurry to be the first to repeat the feat of Pelosi and announced their intention to send some kind of heifer to Taiwan, arguing that their young woman was no worse than an American old woman ...

[rocket757]

The curious Varvara was only pinched on her nose, but on the curious sir, they would pinch something else, obviously.

[Grits]

Quote: rocket757

A simple question ... did someone call them to discuss it?

We have to discuss. Since the Poles feel that for the training of pilots and the transfer of our fighters to the Persians, a bunch of drones will go in the opposite direction across the Caspian Sea. With which it is quite possible that the Poles will have to face somewhere in the skies of the West. And this, oh, how you don't want to.

[rocket757]

Maybe it makes sense to them, but... it's not our problem.

[Vladimir Postnikov]

So I look at this small Iranian drone, and I think: what prevented about fifteen years ago?
Fifteen years ago, effective managers ruled the roost. And they still do.
"Whatever you need, we'll buy it!"

Those types of weapons that our industry produces, including armored weapons, artillery and small arms, do not correspond in their parameters to NATO and even China's models,” he said. And he gave such an example: they say that the world-famous latest Russian tank T-90 is actually the 17th modification of the Soviet T-72. At the same time, its cost is 118 million rubles! .. It would be easier for us to buy three Leopards for this money

Bought...

[stelltok]

So I look at this small Iranian drone, and I think: what prevented about fifteen years ago?

You want too much. Physically, 1 country with a population of 140 million cannot do everything. You want food, and nuclear icebreakers, and rockets into space, and transport, and aviation, and the military-industrial complex, and everything. These are too high requirements for 1 country.

"Whatever you need, we'll buy it!"

Yes. It's normal to buy what you need. Is not it so?

[Vladimir Postnikov]

Quote from stelltok

You want too much.

Unfortunately no. Pence don't want much. Stand up and find out.
If it is the norm for you to buy what you want, then buy if they sell you (the same Chinese).

[stelltok]

Unfortunately no. Pence don't want much. Stand up and find out.

You didn't understand what I mean.

If it is the norm for you to buy what you want, then buy if they sell you (the same Chinese).

Buying is always bad.
The realism of the situation is that 140 million people cannot do everything. The scale is huge.
To make a UAV, you need a processor at least. To make a processor, you need lithographic equipment. To make lithographic equipment, you need a plant for the production of this lithographic equipment.
In any area, in order to do something, you need a lot of things (people, factories, ....)
The scale is huge.
The world has become complex.
The Russian Federation does a lot of things (food, icebreakers, submarines, vaccines, transport ....), but there is a limit to everything.

[Vladimir Postnikov]

Quote from stelltok

The realism of the situation is that 140 million people cannot do everything. The scale is huge.
To make a UAV, you need a processor at least.

How old are you? You don't even realize how naive you look. In the year 1970, high school students were taken on an excursion to Svetlana, where crystals for microcircuits were already grown, which they showed us. In the late 70s, I happened to visit the Kovrov Mechanical Plant, where (!) fully automated sections with integrated robots (which were then commonly called programmable manipulators) worked, both in the production of military and in the production of civilian products. The same Tulip, removed from storage today, I saw in the assembly shop of Motovilikha in the mid-70s. And the cruise missiles of the fifties and sixties were works of art, in which even tube and later transistor circuits were integrated, which I had to deal with. What do you think they are made of? Maybe you still want to teach me (children to do)?
How confident are you...
If this is youth, then it passes. If stupidity, then forever.

[stelltok]

In the year 1970, high school students were taken on an excursion to Svetlana, where crystals for microcircuits were already grown, which they showed us.

How many nanometers?
Now we need at least 5
TSMC Taiwan already wants a 2nm factory
https://3dnews.ru/1012864/vperedi-planeti-vsey-tsmc-uskoryaet-osvoenie-2nm-proizvodstva?from=related-grid&from-source=1015494
If too lazy to jump on the link.
Short:
------TSMC recently purchased two even more expensive Extreme Ultraviolet (EUV) lithography machines specifically for these regulations.

Conclusion:
TSMC spends a lot of resources on the production of processors, but at the same time uses foreign technologies. Apparatus for lithography is produced by Holland.
And Holland also makes these devices not in one person, but with the help of other countries.

Now we need other technologies that are several orders of magnitude more complicated.
The scale is incomparable to what it used to be.

[Vladimir Postnikov]

Hopeless.

[stelltok]

Hopeless.

I didn’t want to offend.

[alystan]

But if the authorities found the courage to rein in and simply bring to their senses their individual presumptuous citizens (nouveau riche oligarchs, effective managers, thieving officials and other five-columnists), then the country could easily cope with many high demands, and not only from its citizens!

[leks]

Quote from stelltok

So I look at this small Iranian drone, and I think: what prevented about fifteen years ago?

You want too much. Physically, 1 country with a population of 140 million cannot do everything. You want food, and nuclear icebreakers, and rockets into space, and transport, and aviation, and the military-industrial complex, and everything. These are too high requirements for 1 country.

"Whatever you need, we'll buy it!"

Yes. It's normal to buy what you need. Is not it so?

Can and should do. Only for this you need will and normal adequate managers, and not "effective managers" who are divorced like dirt.

[Nexcom]

Well, the Poles in their repertoire - they stuck their Polish nose everywhere. And, of course, let's voice our conclusions, as if they are of interest to us.

[art having]

If ours bought drones from Iran, then handsome!
And the more the merrier!

[alystan]

And there will be twice handsome men if they nevertheless agree to sell the SU-35 and S-400 in addition.

Today in Iran, an SU-22 crashed during takeoff, both pilots managed to eject.

For some reason, no one objects if the Americans sell pot-bellied penguins to Israel for a price, and almost conspiracy theories of a trade deal between Russia and Iran immediately appear ...

[know-it-two]

If true, then great news! Because in a difficult moment for the Russian Federation, Iran, not in words, but in deeds, showed who is a friend and who is an enemy.

[Chronos]

I read somewhere that the performance characteristics of Orion almost coincide with the Iranian UAV. So there may not be official deliveries, but the number of Orions may suddenly increase.

[Grits]

Quote: Chronos

but the number of Orions may suddenly increase.

Before that, they didn’t grow up, but why should they suddenly grow up now? To produce a large number of Orions, it was necessary to do business, and not design for 10 years and tests for five.

[Romanenko]

And what is surprising in the fact that the Eastern coalition unites against the Western world?
In the end, all this had to happen and now it's time to collect the stones generously scattered among the neighbors.
Put on a helmet and a bulletproof vest, wait for the guests, shanov pans, sirs, mise, burghers and others who have joined out of foolishness and out of fear.
It’s easier, in Russian, how it comes around - it will respond so!

[tarakan]

It slipped infa that the Iranian UAVs would be "buyed" by the militias of Dombas and Lugansk, so Russia is out of business

[Sirocco]

Can you tell me more about Dombas? Where is it?

[Storog dvornik]

Who is "Dombasa" explain? ...

[the same doctor]

In war they do not roam, but fight with any available weapon. If Iranian UAVs help save at least one Russian soldier, then everything is justified. This is not the time to measure with peeps, it is necessary to use new weapons as massively as possible.

[Sirocco]

Poland began fortune-telling on coffee grounds, supposedly, perhaps, and so on. Where is the information from? About Iran's UAVs, I have a suspicion that the Iranian leap in the production of UAVs did not take place without our help, quiet secretive, with whose help did Iran land the US UAV? That's the same.

[Fitter65]

The supply of Su-35 aircraft to Iran, if it happens, will significantly increase the combat capability of the Islamic Republic's air force.

And lower the level of presence of rear-wheel drive minke whales to the level of the plinth.

[tarakan]

Quote: Sirocco

Can you tell me more about Dombas? Where is it?

Donbass, I'm sorry, but I'm not Russian

[alystan]

Then you are an Indonesian, from Tarakan Island?

Something you completely confused me with your showdown - a cockroach with a sirocco. ))))
But I'm serious about the island...

[Vladimir Aleshkevich_2]

That's right.. Pound Ukrainians in the tail and mane!!!

[Zaurbek]

Such news and I can write ....

[Mikhail Maslov]

This is how it should be everywhere. Think, wait, and most importantly be afraid. Be afraid of Iranian UAVs, be afraid of Russian Dryers, but be even more afraid of a new friendship between the Russian Federation and Iran, and there other countries will start to catch up.

[Sedoy]

allegedly sent his UAVs and pilots to Russia for training in flying the Su-35

ok if so... :)
if the psyakrev has a butthurt, then it’s doubly good ...

[Liao]

It is unrealistic to wait for Iranian drones, because Iranian drones, chips, optoelectronics are civilian chips purchased on the international market, which can be easily strangled.

[Nitarius]

GDP is more visible .. where and what)) obviously Iran will buy the SU-35 ready once this situation))) they are good export cars) China will not let you lie))