In Kyiv, they announced plans to get Leopard or Abrams tanks into service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine

Ukraine does not intend to give up plans to get Western-made heavy armored vehicles into service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine, including Tanks. So far, German Leopard MBTs and American Abrams have been targeted in Kyiv. Oleksiy Reznikov, head of the military department of Ukraine, spoke about the prospects for obtaining tanks.

According to the Minister of Defense, Kyiv plans to receive several dozen German tanks for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, there is already an agreement with one of the "friendly" European countries, which promises the supply of armored vehicles. At the same time, the tanks will not be delivered to the territory of Ukraine, they will be sent to the Baltic States, where they are used to train the Ukrainian military.

Only after the tank crews are ready, Kyiv plans to start negotiations on the supply of Western-made tanks, possibly German ones, as well as American ones. When all this will happen Reznikov did not say, apparently in Kyiv they plan that Russia will be "defeated" by that time, and the West will continue to help Ukraine.

After the tank crews are ready, we will continue to talk in parallel about arming the Ukrainian armed forces with modern tanks. It's not just the Leopard, we're also trying to convince our partners that it could also be an American-made Abrams.

- he added.

Earlier, Spain announced its readiness to transfer 10 (ten) Leopard 2A4 tanks to Ukraine, which are under conservation. The transfer scheme provides for several stages, within which the equipment is first transferred to Kyiv only according to the documents, after which Ukraine must finance the modernization of the tanks. Only after all the work has been completed, the equipment will be physically handed over to Ukraine. This will not happen before the end of 2022.

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[Egoza]

the equipment is first transferred to Kyiv only according to the documents, after which Ukraine must finance the modernization of the tanks.

Here at the stage of financing, the plans of Kyiv will be covered with a copper basin! )))

[Anarchist]

The country is rolling into the abyss, more and more people are left without means of subsistence, and the junta writes all the odes to its "successes" on the military-political front ... They are used as a contraceptive, and they are happy. Only at the end, contraceptives are always thrown away.

[Alex777]

Without Kherson, Zaporozhye and Lugansk regions,
a great agricultural country - will not work. Here they are chasing
APU in an attack on Kherson American funds, quietly
bought up fertile lands in Ukraine.
There will be no offensive: there will be no land. Will not
land - there will be nothing from the West. Nothing at all. BUT
Ukraine's economy is already asking for surrender. Urgently.

[tarakan]

Aleks, the West NEVER gives anything, only lends

[Alex777]

Everything happened, but such a failure, as it is now on
Ukraine - never. Therefore, they rage helplessly.

[voyaka uh]

"but never such a failure as it is now in Ukraine" ///
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Failure? These military actions are a grandiose success for NATO.
Without spending a single man from its regular forces, NATO has drawn a significant part of the Russian ground army into protracted, exhausting battles.
Soviet weapons depots that have been filled for decades are open and are being emptied. The stock of expensive missiles that were being prepared against NATO is being used up.
NATO has studied "living examples" all the features of the tactics of the Russian army, all the strengths and weaknesses. Now they know how to train and equip their armies.

[Alex777]

You will be right if Zelensky keeps
control over part of Ukraine. I told you
about the option when the whole of Ukraine will enter into
composition of Russia. This will be a defeat for the US.
Z.Y. And let the States think that everyone knows.

Quote: voyaka uh

The stock of expensive missiles that were being prepared against NATO is being used up.

There will be tactical nuclear weapons against NATO. Nobody plans
fight NATO with conventional weapons.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: voyaka uh

.
Soviet weapons depots that have been filled for decades are open and are being emptied. The stock of expensive missiles that were being prepared against NATO is being used up.
.

This is how you commented on the article, where it is written about the decision of Slovakia to transfer all its MiG-29s to Ukraine ...?

Quote: voyaka uh

NATO has studied "living examples" all the features of the tactics of the Russian army, all the strengths and weaknesses. Now they know how to train and equip their armies.

This is how you spoke about the "tactics" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to place artillery and MLRS in residential areas, hiding behind civilians.
Another "tactic" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is to shell civilian objects and residential areas already located in the rear of the Russian army.

[bayard]

For the Army of the Russian Federation and the Russian State, this conflict is also not without benefit - the need for a capable and sufficient in size land army is recognized, the needs of this army for specific types of weapons are recognized, our air defense is gaining practical experience (primarily Military Air Defense), samples of the Western military-industrial complex are being studied ... Well, the territories - the Russian Lands - are returning to the Native Harbour. Russian people are returning under the wing of a single state.
And also, in the course of this special operation, Russia also solves many other problems - both internal and external - trade, financial, trade in rubles and the national currency of trading partners ... Well, the aforementioned "import substitution" is not the same for the night, because the tags already unable to change.
The people again come into tone, as in 2014.
And what NATO sees ... this does not mean that the RF Armed Forces will behave in a similar way with respect to their countries. For NATO, there will be an extremely tough scenario with tactical nuclear weapons, with missile strikes on critical infrastructure with missiles only in special warhead equipment. And so it was spelled out from the very beginning, this is not a decision "here and now" at all - precisely because ONLY a nuclear conflict was planned with NATO. And there are more than enough funds for this. No one will go to Europe "on foot". She's just burned to the ground. And North America (all except Mexico) too.
And you should not count the missiles spent by the Russian Federation - for NATO, only missiles with nuclear warheads will be missiles. And no one will spend them until the time.
Shells?
We had them in store for three world wars. And now one and a half or two such wars are enough.
And some categories and types of weapons have not even been reached yet.
And mind you, this time Russia is not just fighting somewhere (as in Syria) and wasting its resources. Now Russia is returning its lands with all their potential. And the potential of Russia is growing by this.

[voyaka uh]

"Shells?
We had them in stock for three world wars "///
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Here I am not so sure that you are right.
Both in quantity and quality.
Howitzer shells need charges. These charges
must be airtight and strictly equal in weight so that the howitzer (with an unworn barrel) shoots accurately.
Judging by the large (hundreds of meters) spread
shells, with the quality of shells and charges,
retrievable from storage - big problems.
The same is true with rockets to Grads and others.
Most shells and rockets go into milk.

Not so I'm sure that tactical missiles for tactical nuclear weapons
enough. Iskanders and Calibers began to be used singly. There is austerity.

And this is to NATO.
Just not the strongest army in Ukraine.

[bayard]

Quote: voyaka uh

Judging by the large (hundreds of meters) spread
shells, with the quality of shells and charges,
retrievable from storage - big problems.

Alexey, you did not take into account several very important factors. First, there are intense artillery duels and suppression of enemy artillery. Often, in this case, target designation is given not by a drone hanging over the enemy’s position, but according to artillery reconnaissance. And the artillery reconnaissance stations give the coordinates of the guns with exactly plus or minus those very hundreds of meters ... And you have to extinguish the areas, because the enemy does not delay the guns in positions. That is why the fields of these stadiums have such a view . In war, as in war - you didn’t have time, they will have time for you. And there is no shortage of ammunition among our gunners.
On the other hand, there are enough shots when artillery and mortars are literally working out like jewelry, when several shells / minutes fall exactly into the trenches / trenches / dugouts.
There is another factor that affects the large spread of shells - this is the shooting of artillery barrels. It is not always possible to replace the gun barrels or their barrels that have shot out in time. But again - there is no shortage of artillery pieces among our artillerymen - warehouses and bases are full.

Quote: voyaka uh

The same is true with rockets to Grads and others.
Most shells and rockets go into milk.

Here, too, you need to understand the specifics. When the enemy is shelling your cities (in this case, the cities of Donbass), then you need to respond to suppression as quickly as possible, because every extra shell fired by the enemy is someone's life. And the lives of the civilian population. As a resident of Donetsk, I know and realize this well from personal experience. So, it is Grad that often responds to suppression, and often without sighting shots and up to a half package. And here the calculation is sometimes not so much for the guaranteed destruction of enemy guns, but for disrupting the ongoing shelling. It all depends on the task at hand. And a hasty salvo without shooting (and this happens) is often calculated on a decent spread of shells to cover the maximum area. But it all depends on the specific case. If sighting shots are made, then the main volley, as a rule, goes exactly with the target covered. I can judge by ear.
Of course, I am not an artilleryman, but I have acquaintances of those and have been living in the war for a long time.

Quote: voyaka uh

Not so I'm sure that tactical missiles for tactical nuclear weapons
enough. Iskanders and Calibers began to be used singly. There is austerity.

Oddly enough, but I do not observe such savings. But I see something else - the desire to use various CR as evenly as possible, alternating the CR "Iskander", "Caliber", Kh-555, Kh-65, Kh-101, Kh-22, Kh-35, Kh-59, Onyxes, etc. . , pr. , pr.
The cost of our CDs is about 5-6 times cheaper than in the USA, not to mention the huge Soviet reserves, and the scale of their production (although this is secret) exceeds such scales in the USA by a multiple. For example, I will simply propose to evaluate the fact that since the mid-00s, the RF Armed Forces have received 14 brigade sets of the Iskander missile system, which is armed with both missiles with a quasi-ballistic flight profile and several types of missiles. And the BC for each brigade set ranges from several hundred to a thousand of these (or only cruise) missiles. I am guided by the example of the Tochka-U missile system - the Russian Federation had ten such brigades, now they are in storage and there are 10 missiles for them. One thousand missiles per brigade.
To check the accuracy of the data, there was only one such brigade left in the former Ukraine, and despite the consumption of missiles for the entire post-Soviet period and the entire 8-year period of the war until 24.02.2022/800/8. , by the beginning of the current conflict, the Armed Forces of Ukraine had XNUMX such missiles. And for XNUMX years they shot them.
So imagine the possibilities of the industry of the Russian Federation, which in about 15-16 years delivered 14 complete brigade sets of the Iskander-M missile launcher to the troops.
But at the same time, the production of the KR "Caliber" was going on at the same time. And you should not look that the Russian Federation today has so few carriers of these missiles ... Production plans for their production were established when the plans for the introduction of new carrier ships of these were much more rosy. Some frigates in the ranks by this time should have been from 15 to 20 pieces. But there are also corvettes, diesel-electric submarines, submarines ... And judging by how often they are used (I'm talking about "Caliber"), there is definitely no shortage of them.

Quote: voyaka uh

Not so I'm sure that tactical missiles for tactical nuclear weapons
enough.

Woo... Oh, this is good for all available nuclear warheads, of which there are VERY many. And KR with nuclear warheads, after all, they were originally made for this type of warhead, and are not used for other purposes. It was the same with the United States - "Axes" with nuclear warheads were removed from service and they were not designed for reworking ordinary warheads. So the nuclear potential lies untouched, waiting for its hour and the hour is not even, go and wait.
So missiles for this kind of database (with such intensity) will last for a long time. And that's not all there is...

There is another resource that has not yet been reached ... in terms of combat use. But I would very much like these missiles to contribute to the victory over fascism. These are the very "Points-U".
There are about 10 of them in storage. So it’s enough for the RF Armed Forces to return several (say four or five) divisions of this complex to service, and let them frolic freely. The missiles are quite accurate, the warheads are powerful - 000 kg. , and there are many such missiles. moreover, with different types of warheads. After all, they are to be disposed of anyway ... So they will be disposed of with benefit.
I hope that in the third phase of this special operation we will still see these wonderful missiles of the Soviet military industry in action.

In the meantime, an extremely limited detachment of forces is fighting on our fronts, half of which are fighters from the corps of the two republics of Donbass.
The main events are yet to come.

[voyaka uh]

Thanks for the detailed clarifications. Put you +

[Rt-xnumx]

You are our scout.

[ruha]

Well, the victory came in the form of grain exports. They will pay in grain. This whole idea was for the sake of tanks.

[Piramidon]

Quote: ruha

Well, the victory came in the form of grain exports. They will pay in grain. This whole idea was for the sake of tanks.

This grain was sold a long time ago, the money was received and divided. The question was only in the export.

[gansales]

Quote: Egoza

Here at the stage of financing, the plans of Kyiv will be covered with a copper basin! )))

Elena will not have time .. It will all be over soon!
And of course, German tanks in Ukraine, and even with Nazi flags. That would be something!

[Alex777]

The Ukrainian crew will run away, leaving the tank with
full ammunition? It already happened.

[gansales]

Quote: Alex777

The Ukrainian crew will run away, leaving the tank with
full ammunition? It already happened.

There are fewer and fewer tankers, as well as pilots ..

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Here at the stage of financing, the plans of Kyiv will be covered with a copper basin! )))

It would be time to understand that the West does not spare money to finance the war of Ukraine against Russia and the appearance of Leopards or Abrams in the Armed Forces of Ukraine is a matter of time.

The more successfully Ukraine resists Russia, the more and faster they will receive additional assistance, including tanks and aircraft.

[nnm]

As I understand it, in Ukrainian such words as "buy", "purchase" are simply prohibited and practically officially you can only use "beg", "get for free", "pump ... collect" of course.
I used to always think that the Poles are the world champions in this discipline, but it turned out that the non-brothers are just champions and the Poles still have to ... collect and collect.

[Alien From]

Golden words!

[tarakan]

Where the "Ukrainian" passed, the Jew has nothing to do
PS no offense when did the name hohol become uncensored? (I myself hohol)

[gansales]

Quote: tarakan

Where the "Ukrainian" passed, the Jew has nothing to do
PS no offense when did the name hohol become uncensored? (I myself hohol)

Hohol Russian means ..))) The sense of humor is normal .. In Russia there are many families with Ukrainian relatives, including me .. I also have the right to criticize ..! I hate Bandera and do not care what nationality they are ..

[dmi.pris1]

Why trifle, intergalactic cruiser damn it!

[Piramidon]

Quote: dmi.pris

Why trifle, intergalactic cruiser damn it!

It would be interesting to test our weapons on it too

[Ilgizl]

Yes, the Death Star for which we have our Luke.

[rocket757]

In Kyiv, they announced plans to get Leopard or Abrams tanks into service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine

Shaw, skakuases weakly vibrate, needing to invigorate, stimulate?
However, they give them everything and not a little, the goal is understandable, to leave us only ruins, scorched space ... that's just figs to them, all over the face !!! Let's take Ukraine back and everything will be fine!!!
Not immediately and through I can not, but it will be so!
Break through, not the first time!

[nnm]

I also like this Selyuk trick, beloved on the outskirts - they believe that if you call a loan financial assistance, and a commodity loan - Lend-Lease, etc., then their great-great-great-grandchildren will not need to return the mountains of money that they have now borrowed and stolen. And most of all, I like the way they think that no one understands this and how super smart they are and throw dust in everyone's eyes. But in fact - a peacock with a chicken ass.

[rocket757]

There is a high probability that these really will not have to give anything.
They simply will not exist as a subject of international relations. And we don’t need the troubles and naf there.

[tarakan]

nnm my fat + intelligibly

[Uprun]

Cresteds think that they are cooler than psheks ...., they have been howling for more than one day that the Germans threw them with leoperds, well, it seems that there will be deliveries, 1 tank per month ..., and that’s ten at once and before the end of the year ... , nothing that the heroes saw them only in the picture .... "Speak" is not tossing bags. This is what kind of hodgepodge is obtained on the outskirts, namers, leoperds, abrams, caesars, cheetahs, crabs, 777 and all almost in piece form. In the course of 5 months, all the weapons of the outskirts have already been knocked out ... but go and master such a vinaigrette in the conditions of hostilities, you were taught for 777, but they will put you on Caesar, because. 777 have already been knocked out, in training I rode a leoperd, and here is an abrams ... and even worse than the T-72 of the Polish modernization ...

[Denis812]

- We need to get 1000 Leopard tanks from Germany. And from the USA 10000 Abrams tanks.
- Well, yes, and also 500 Eurofighters from France and 100000 Iron Dome installations from Israel
- Well, from Japan, a hundred destroyers "Akizuki" and another hundred submarines "Soryu"

"Thank you, gentlemen ministers of Ukraine! Let me know if you have any more realistic ideas!" Zelensky summed up the meeting.

[spektr9]

And let our uryahas from the site shower them with hats

[ruha]

-Give us more tanks.
- What will you pay?
- soooo. There is a lot of grain..
- OK. Let's go talk with Shoigu. ....

[Cottodraton]

Why do they have such faith in Western technology, like prodigies? For a helicopter, what a Soviet tank, what a leopard is just a target, as well as for an ATGM.

[Carlos Hall]

Don't worry about the leopards in Spain, they've been in storage for years and haven't been repaired. they are trash.

[tarakan]

Damn, I’m Ukrainian myself, but I can’t understand such lawlessness and arrogance. Soon the Ukrainians will say, why the hell is the army in Europe? We (Ukrainians) will "defend" everyone, give ALL weapons to us and the military budget, also to us, you give us the military-industrial complex, we give you "refugees"

[Zaurbek]

By that time, Leo2 will have to dig into the ground on the outskirts of Kyiv.

[52]

Well, ten Leopards are more than no Leopards? So whaaaa, Dear Russians..., as one opponent of a healthy lifestyle and tennis fan said, we will have to tremble with horror and turn to the Kurds, because they have experience with Leoperds ...)))))
No, well, it would be better to really ask the "offended liver sausages" for a hundred or two Leo-1A5, more realistic, but no.

[tarakan]

Ukrainians learn from Georgia, bucked, understood, moderated ambitions and lives peacefully and develops

[isv000]

You, most importantly, do not cover up the crosses, I really want to see how German tanks are burning in Ukraine!

[Piramidon]

In Kyiv, they announced plans to get Leopard or Abrams tanks into service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine

Well, well, there will be an opportunity to test our anti-tank weapons on real targets. Maybe the advertising of these devices will collapse. "Abrashek", by the way, has already been successfully crushed even by our old RPG-7 in Yemen.

[Liao]

German tanks fight Russians again on Soviet soil

[cat-begemot]

I hope there both Merkavs and Armats will be brought to them, it is possible that poplars will be delivered with delivery. How I like the confidence of the Khokhlat leaders that they owe everything and they will be given everything.