Minister of Defense of Ukraine Reznikov announced the receipt of the first three ZSU Gepard into service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine

Germany supplied Ukraine with the first three Gepard self-propelled 35-mm anti-aircraft guns, in the near future Kyiv expects the receipt of another twelve German ZSU. This was stated by the Minister of Defense of Ukraine Oleksiy Reznikov.

Germany promised to supply fifteen Gepard SPAAGs to Ukraine, three of them have already crossed the border and are on Ukrainian territory. According to Reznikov, delivery of the remaining units is expected before the end of the month. The Ukrainian minister especially stressed that the anti-aircraft installations come with ammunition, since earlier in Germany they announced a problem with the supply of shells to the Swiss guns installed on the anti-aircraft complex.

The first three Gepards officially entered today. These are anti-aircraft systems, to which tens of thousands of rounds of ammunition have been transferred to us. We are expecting the first 15 Gepards. Three of them went to Ukraine today. Today they are already at the disposal of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

- said Reznikov.

The epic with the transfer of Gepard ZSU to Ukraine has been going on since April of this year. Initially, it was planned to transfer to Kyiv 50 Gepard 1A2 SPAAGs removed from long-term guarding, but everything fell apart after it turned out that the FRG did not have the required amount of ammunition for anti-aircraft guns, and Switzerland, which is a manufacturer of shells, refused to supply them to Ukraine. Later this month, the Germans found an independent manufacturer in Norway who agreed to supply the requested number of 35x228mm shells for the 35mm Oerlikon GDF automatic guns. But the number of anti-aircraft installations planned for transfer to Kyiv has decreased from 50 to 15.

ZSU Gepard 1A2 has a firing range of up to 5 km, and in height - up to 4 km, the radar detects targets at a distance of up to 18 km.

Comments

[Zaurbek]

An interesting technique .... in Patrit Park would have it ....

[NIKN]

It is detected (with a working radar, it is easy), its range is up to 5 km, the Ataka ATGM has a launch of 6-8. These will be priority targets for the K-52. If you aim at the eye (without radar, OLS doesn’t seem to be there), then the probability of defeat decreases sharply, and again, a duel.

[Zaurbek]

OLS must stand

[NIKN]

Quote: Zaurbek

OLS must stand

I looked on the internet, I didn’t find that there was any aiming besides the radar, but there is no information about the OLS.

[Alexeevich0010]

there is nothing there. just a teddy bear

. Gepard 35-mm ZSU shells delivered to Norway are useless in Ukraine

Germany did not have 35 mm ammunition for its Gepard ZSU and was forced to look for them abroad. Norway stated that it could produce them and Ukraine received Norwegian-made ammunition for use in the German Gepard ZSU.

Now it turns out that the Norwegian ammunition already delivered to Ukraine is not recognized by the weapon system and it cannot fire them.

[Mikhail Maslov]

You didn’t understand, they won’t turn on the APU radar, all information about the air situation will be transmitted online, transmitted online. Most likely they will use the ambush method.

[Mavrikiy]

Minister of Defense of Ukraine Reznikov announced the receipt of the first three ZSU Gepard into service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine

Gepard vs Terminator! Swallow the peel from the seeds, otherwise ....

[Two]

A shitty toy, fast-firing and agile, with a radar sight! It would be necessary to counter her before entering the position ...

[ruha]

Cooler than Shilka?

[svp67]

Quote: ruha

Cooler than Shilka?

Sure ...

[Alexeevich0010]

you deuce for knowledge of materiel. this "G" - with a shilka did not stand next to it. The previous generation.

[Zaurbek]

Shilka is also shaggy years of production .... the question is not the caliber, the question is the capabilities of the radar and the computer that is there. After the appearance of the A10 and Apache, 23mm was recognized as weak and switched to 30mm. Plus, foreigners have long had software fuses ...... So, in terms of artillery, this is an analogue of the Tunguzka, but there are no missiles there.

[Alexeevich0010]

310 shells in the gun and 2 barrels for the "Gepard" versus 3000 shells in the gun and 4 barrels for the "Shilka" - is this not an argument for you? strange...

[Zaurbek]

35mm and prog fuse and faster brains....

[Alexeevich0010]

hmm ... so there is no way to know the materiel. MSA 74 years old from conservation and conventional FTZ shells without a hint of a programmable fuse (because programmable and beautiful, Switzerland refused to sell, but Norway does not produce)

[Alexeevich0010]

. Gepard 35-mm ZSU shells delivered to Norway are useless in Ukraine

Germany did not have 35 mm ammunition for its Gepard ZSU and was forced to look for them abroad. Norway stated that it could produce them and Ukraine received Norwegian-made ammunition for use in the German Gepard ZSU.

Now it turns out that the Norwegian ammunition already delivered to Ukraine is not recognized by the weapon system and it cannot fire them.

[fa2998]

23 mm.--35mm. Other "weight" category

[svp67]

Quote: Dos

It would be necessary to counter her before entering the position ...

Yes, you can also control the position, the main thing is before they start firing ...

[mojohed2012]

Cheetah can be compared with Shilka, only the calibers are different, but the essence is the same.
The Shilka itself is a formidable and powerful weapon, but outdated like the Cheetah.
Most likely, the Cheetahs will be allowed on as air defense, and in counterattacks or put on the defensive in the South.
From there, this technique will get into the Patriot one day.
1. All sorts of Javelins, AT-4s and other "stingers" ... for a long time we have countless in museums and warehouses; 2. The 777 gun is also already there; 3. HIMARS again; 4. French self-propelled guns, and even more than one, are also there. 5. Soon we will collect all possible NATO systems and weapons. after SVO, you need to take the children to Patriot Park and show everything.

By the way, ammunition for Cheetahs is limited. Will they be enough for 1-2 clashes - time will tell ...

[svp67]

Quote: mojohed2012

Cheetah can be compared with Shilka

You can compare everything, MANPADS "Verba" and S-400 for example

Quote: mojohed2012

only the calibers are different, but the essence is the same.

The bottom line is that the consequences are different
ZSU "Shilka" - designed for direct cover of ground troops, destruction of air targets at ranges up to 2500 m и altitudes up to 1500 m, flying at speeds up to 450 m/s, as well as ground (surface) targets at a distance up to 2000 m from a standstill, from a short stop and in motion
ZSU "Gepard" - designed for direct cover of ground forces, destruction of air targets at slant ranges from 100 m to 4 km and at altitudes up to 3 kmflying at speeds up to 350-400 m / s, as well as ground (surface) targets at a distance up to 4500 meters from a standstill, from a short stop and in motion.
The advantage of "Cheetah" is clear

[1Alexey]

Quote: svp67

The advantage of "Cheetah" is clear

It is not clear why compare with the obsolete Shilka that was decommissioned ?!

Compare then with the modern Russian analogue of Derivation-Air Defense.

[Third district]

Quote: 1Alexey

Compare then with the modern Russian analogue of Derivation-Air Defense.

How many, now we are armed with Derivation - Air Defense?

[ruha]

How many shots can be fired in what time? Well, what stock can you carry with you? And in general it is interesting to use it. Probably there should be trucks with ammunition in Radom.!? Well, another point, the loading speed. This is where you need to compare.

[Aleksey Aleksandrovich]

Right now I turned on Channel 1, and there, the Natsik Kiva, who was reforged or, more likely, changed his shoes at the time, broadcasts at full strength ... He would not push fiery speeches on the federal channel, but sit in prison, preferably for life!

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Alexey Alexandrovich

most likely, during the change of shoes, the Natsik Kiva broadcasts at full strength ...

Looks like "tolerastiya" has deeply taken root on Channel 1. The leadership of Channel 1 does not understand that by doing so they enable this shifter to smoothly flow into the new power on the outskirts. And again, these shifters will finish off the outskirts, and again lead it to collapse. And again we will have to suffer with the outskirts.
Chase the changelings with an average broom from all channels. No leadership positions for them in the NEW Outskirts. The outskirts should be headed by people who have gone through the crucible of the war in the Donbass, together with experienced Russian officials.

[Real Pilot]

Quote: Zaurbek

An interesting technique .... in the Patriot park would have it ....

And for more, she is not particularly suitable. Somehow one does not hear laudatory odes to similar and equally aged Shilkas or Tunguskas (we exclude its missiles from this consideration), but they are clearly still in service with Ukraine.

Holy Bayraktars, Haymars and now Cheetahs - a candle for the dead and a shell on board ... Without new "wunderwaffes" the show is losing its ratings!

[Zaurbek]

All the odes to Shilka have already been sung ....... No one has yet encountered Tunguzki. The shells are working with might and main .... Cheetahs did not fight against us .... Against Bayroktar too.

[Nikolaevich I]

ZSU "Gepard" is an analogue of the Soviet ZSU "Yenisei"! The ZSU was developed and tested ... they were going to adopt both ZSUs ("Shilka" and "Yenisei" ...), but "someone" advised Khrushchev not to do this ... they only accepted "Shilka" !

[Zaurbek]

Technical level is different

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Zaurbek

Technical level is different

Hmmm...! What about development time? There is at least 11 years difference between them!

[Mikhail Maslov]

No, the ZSU "Yenisei" was armed with 2 × 37mm, there are no projectiles with a programmable detonation. "Cheetah" is a head better.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Mikhail Maslov

ZSU "Yenisei" was armed with 2 × 37mm, there are no projectiles with a programmable detonation. "Cheetah" is a head better.

I repeat again! At least 11 years difference!

[Mikhail Maslov]

So why do you compare his "Yenisei" with "Cheetah"

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Mikhail Maslov

So why do you compare his "Yenisei" with "Cheetah"

Technical construction ("configuration") of weapons, sir! Functional purpose, Karl!

[Nikoha2010]

I will add a little about the ZSU "Gepard". The Discovery Channel is really still propaganda)))

[Paladin]

The German was pleased by putting his head under a working radar antenna. To make the brains more abruptly baked))))))))

[Nexcom]

If they were, they would definitely be baked.

[Nexcom]

Forgive me for being offtopic, but I can’t keep silent: Gozman was arrested until charges are brought. If only this liberalist did not get out.

[Paladin]

Good news. Although it could be packed 10 years ago. He told himself four life sentences in Magadan.

[Nexcom]

so that's exactly what it is.

[Aleksey Aleksandrovich]

Not arrested, but detained. Yes, and the punishment on the charges imputed to him is ridiculous, a fine or compulsory work. It is apparently not possible to pull up this old bastard for something more serious.

[Nexcom]

It’s a pity if they only detained and only a fine shines ....

[Aleksey Aleksandrovich]

It's a pity. But the fact itself is already encouraging. Liberals lose their immunity.

[Nexcom]

Well, what are you, did they lose it? Schaz lawyer will pull him out. If only they had put him at least on five - then yes ... And so ... Damn, I even felt sad when I found out that there was only a fine.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Nexcom

Forgive me for being offtopic, but I can’t keep silent: Gozman was arrested until charges are brought. If only not

You shed balm on my soul with this news!
I will pray, even if I am not a believer, that the judges will not spoil this holiday for me with their decision.

[Vladimir 290]

Let them not paint over the crosses on these cheetahs, it is more pleasant for all parties to look at them: Bandera now, later for us, lined

[Arkady007]

We will test these Cheetahs.
War is the progress of thought always.
Our task is to recreate the production of the means of production and to raise the level of mechanical engineering. Then no enemy will be afraid of us.

[GNM]

Gluttonous cars, in three seconds they eat up a carload of shells. Considering what forelock muffs - this is zrada.

[iouris]

Once the generals refused machine guns because of too high consumption of cartridges.

[Asad]

He served with ,, forelocks ,, in air defense, did not notice that they were smeared. It was true for a long time.

[Alexander Bazylev]

Already "Tunguska will be more effective.
Yes, and the ammunition of the Gerapd eats immeasurably
Now, if the Outskirts could produce shells for him, then it would still make sense, and buying is unrealistically expensive

[agoran]

Oerlikon is considered a good weapon.
EMNIP, even during World War II, the Germans installed on Kriegsmarine ships as anti-aircraft, as well as on land platforms,
If you put your hands straight, it is no worse than our Shilka.

[Uprun]

I am not at all an air defense specialist, but judging by the characteristics, this device starts to emit background radiation for 18 km, strikes at a distance of 5 km and 4 km in height. Those. turned on the radar, found a target 18 km away and waiting for it to fly up to 5 km, such as the target is blind, deaf and toothless ... Maybe I'm wrong ....? Although, as a support vehicle in a ground battle, it will fit, such as a ukroterimanator.

[Carlos Hall]

Now you need to act in Iran, North Korea, Cuba and Venezuela or they won't stop. They see how far they can go. And they jump over one red line after another. It's time to act, trust me.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

You don't have to make those eyes. This installation was considered obsolete even during my studies at the school (1980-84). At that time, Soviet helicopters had already received the Shturm ATGM. to carry these boxes from a safe distance.
Yes, 35 mm caliber sounds cool, 2 x 550 rds / min, too, but 3000 altitude reach tactical aircraft are no longer impressive.
Particularly successful with this car is the weight. Apparently, "obesity" in German armored vehicles is hereditary.
And with such a combat weight of only 310 shells per barrel, this is truly aerobatics of design thought.
Comparing it with "Shilka" is not very correct. The ZSU-23-4M2 weighs only 21 tons. Yes, and the caliber is smaller, only 23 mm, the ceiling is 1500 m. But there is more ammunition, 3000 shells, and the total (of all barrels) rate of fire is 3400 rounds per minute.
The 2K22 "Tunguska" 34 tons is closest in mass. True, this is already an anti-aircraft missile system, but let it hurt the head of the Germans because, with a smaller mass, in addition to 1936 shells, we also stuffed 8 3UR. At the same time, in terms of range and height, the Tula guns are similar to the Oerlikons. The caliber is slightly smaller, but the rate of fire is more than 4000 rounds per minute.

[Asad]

Thanks for the helpful comment.

[ALIEN_2]

Beautiful, it's a pity that it will go to scrap immediately.

[Yves762]

Not understood...
If "Cheetahs just arrived (25.07.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX), then what was it:

The Ka-52 helicopter, when striking, discovered the German ZSU "Gepard" that threatened it - dated 3.06.2022/XNUMX/XNUMX

??
(https://topwar.ru/197236-vertolet-ka-52-pri-nanesenii-udarov-obnaruzhil-ugrozhavshuju-emu-nemeckuju-zsu-gepard.html)

Someone "sculpts" something.?.

[Pasus]

Ohoho, stupid Germans, it seems to me that the remaining gas pumping turbines will soon stop ...

[composite]

as usual: they whined that it took a long time to repair, then there was no ammunition. as a result, on you: already in positions and personnel trained right there: you won’t get enough red lines on them.

[Graduate engineer]

Quote: Alexeevich0010

you deuce for knowledge of materiel. this "G" - with a shilka did not stand next to it. The previous generation.

Why are you lying?

[Pavel57]

Will the radars turn on or be afraid of missiles?

[uav80]

And where did the Outskirts do their "Shilka" and "Tunguska", okay, they sawed the "Shilka", making them BAU 23x2 modules for armored vehicles and sold them to the Arabs, but where did the 70 "Tungusok" go, which in 2019 were still in service ..?

[Vasilyevich Pensioner]

Minister of Defense of Ukraine Reznikov announced the receipt of the first three ZSU Gepard into service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine

Well, they perverted everything, even the war. Previously, everyone tried to keep it a secret, but now they just don’t provide maps with plans to the enemy.