Experts comment on the initiative of the Russian party to recognize the Ukrainian state as terrorist

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The information that representatives of the Just Russia - For Truth party came up with an initiative to include Ukraine in the list of terrorist states or state sponsors of terrorist activities has been confirmed. Initially, such information began to be published in a number of media.

In particular, in "Tape.ru" a material was published, which reported on the submission to the State Duma of the Russian Federation of a bill providing for the inclusion of the Ukrainian state in the list of terrorists. We are talking about the Ukrainian regime, under the dictates of which tens of millions of Ukrainians found themselves.

To this end, it is proposed to introduce the concept of “state sponsoring terrorism” into Russian legislation.

At the same time, a number of experts believe that at the moment this initiative is unlikely to take the form of a law. After all, if Ukraine is recognized as a terrorist state, as well as a state sponsor of terrorism, then any contacts, both political and economic, should be curtailed with this state. For example, the transit of oil and gas through Ukrainian territory should immediately be stopped, since the revenues of the Kyiv regime for this transit go, among other things, to support their armed forces participating in terror against the civilian population of Donbass, Kherson, Zaporozhye and Kharkiv regions. And at the moment, Moscow is unlikely to go for it, not wanting to aggravate already negative relations with Europe, although it could well make a leading move.

At the same time, experts note that the initiative itself is a symmetrical measure in response to the calls of some regimes, including Kyiv, to recognize Russia as a "state sponsor of terrorism."

Comments

[rocket757]

Experts comment on the initiative of the Russian party to recognize the Ukrainian state as terrorist

. And they can’t, can’t, don’t want to denounce the recognition of dill as a state?

[Andrey Moskvin]

How to single-handedly denounce a state recognized by "the whole world"?

[rocket757]

It can be quiet, it can be noisy .... no difference.
Then, as this state begins to disappear from the map of the world, so will the rest, many others.
This has happened more than once.
Although the opposite also happens. No one recognizes the state/government, but the state exists.
The world is a complicated thing, and politics is such a mess ....

[Myths]

The point is to recognize or not to recognize. In fact, the non-state is really a sponsor and distributor of terrorism. The rest doesn't really change anything. Is there a peace treaty with Japan? And what has changed without him?! So it’s just that political decisions are still ... as soon as this neoplasm disappears from the maps, but remains only in the minds of euro-nationalists, then it will really disappear.

[Andrey Moskvin]

Ukraine is not a sponsor. They sponsor her, and she already has her own terrorism, dear.

[rocket757]

There is enough of their own, of course, but they stimulated from behind the hillock, it is known who. Then, the whole thing needs to be financed, but from local rednecks, I waited for this, this is nonsense.

[rocket757]

Politics is a muddy business ... statements, demarches and so on are not made in order to make it more transparent, more understandable, just the opposite.
However, anything can happen ... it happens and a trickle of clean water flows into it.
Anyway, the main thing is ACTIONS, ACTIONS!!!

[Old Michael]

Hello, Victor!

Politics is a muddy business ... statements, demarches and so on are not made in order to make it more transparent, more understandable, just the opposite.

That is why we need not statements and demarches, but a state normative legal act in the form of a law.
There is a legal logic and basis for such a law.
At first, there was such an Agreement "On friendship, cooperation and partnership between the Russian Federation and Ukraine" dated May 31, 1997. On April 1, 2019, it ceased to be valid - Ukraine denounced it. Result: Russia has no obligations towards Ukraine.
Secondly, the withdrawal of Ukraine from the USSR without a national referendum of the USSR is a criminal offense that has no statute of limitations (see the Constitution of the USSR of 1977 and the law of April 3, 1990 No. 1409-I).
Thirdly, the fact that Ukraine considers the 1922 Treaty on the Establishment of the USSR invalid is nothing at all, because. this treaty never existed in the form of an independent state normative legal act, being only an “appendage” to the Constitution of the USSR of 1924. And in 1936, a new Constitution of the USSR was adopted, and the Constitution of 1924, including the Treaty of 1922, has sunk into oblivion (i.e., the Treaty of 1922 has lost its legal force).
Eventually, given the status of the Russian Federation as the successor of the USSR, Russia has all the legal grounds and prerequisites for the legislative consolidation of the fact that the entire territory of Ukraine, seized by the Nazi separatists in 1991 and persecuted with the help of the United States and NATO, especially since 2014, is an inalienable part of the Russian Federation.
And if our legislators do not hesitate to take a point Law on the recognition of Ukraine as an illegal pseudo-state entity, and its territory as an integral part of Russia, then the special operation is the liberation of the territory of Russia captured by the separatists, the restoration of its territorial integrity.
And all attempts by European neighbors to annex (or take under tight control) the western regions of this territory in one way or another will need to be considered as aggression against Russia with all the consequences ...

[rocket757]

Welcome
So the CASES are resolved in different ways and the Macedonian method, cutting complex knots at once, is not always applicable ... although, RIGHT OF THE STRONG, few dare to challenge!
An integrated approach, in compliance with all legal conflicts, is a tricky business, but often the most reliable, the most correct ....
They hope that foreign at least some of our actions will be recognized as legal ... except in the long term and with our perseverance.
In general, at the moment, to do everything that is possible, permissible, and the legitimacy of our decisions, actions, backed up by FORCE, military incl.
What can they oppose us in response, at this point in time???
Something like this.

[Old Michael]

An integrated approach, in compliance with all legal conflicts, is a tricky business, but often the most reliable, the most correct ....

That's it!
The Americans do not worry: the law on sanctions is a bummer - and "who did not hide - we are not to blame." That is, it seems to be an internal law of the United States, and everyone should adapt.
Well, why shouldn't Russia adopt an internal law that has far-reaching external consequences!

[rocket757]

If you take a closer look, delve into the history of the not so distant past, you can arrange / present a GOAT FACE to many people.
It's time for our legislators to work, otherwise the foreign ones relaxed during the period of kozyrevscheny and someone else, who repeated, like a radish, that RUSSIA DOES NOT HAVE OWN INTERESTS !!!

[Old Michael]

It's time for our legislators to work, otherwise the foreign ones relaxed during the period of kozyrevscheny and someone else,

Absolutely agree!
And I would also add a couple of considerations, but I will refrain, because it is unliterary ...

[dmi.pris1]

How? By military force. This whole "world" (a smaller part of it and not the best) is waging war with us on all fronts, what remains for us? That's how to denounce

[Machito]

What the hell recognition of Ukraine as a terrorist state? Why these politeness, equivocation and other tolerant nonsense. It is necessary to directly and openly recognize Ukraine as a fascist state.

[Old Michael]

It is necessary to directly and openly recognize Ukraine as a fascist state.

No, dear Borodach, not by the state!
Ukraine must be recognized as an illegal pseudo-state formation, and the territory seized by Ukrainian nationalist separatists in 1991 must be recognized as an integral part of the Russian Federation.
(justification - see a little higher)

[Paladin]

Approximately the same as the NWO not recognized by the "whole world" to start. And at the same time to ventilate the following questions:
1. Does "the whole world" have the Acts of recognition of its state duly ratified?
2. Has the borders of this "recognized state" been demarcated or not?
3. In the light of the first two questions, if Russia is the legal successor of the USSR, then isn't Ukraine just a province of the Russian Federation?
Tyk skzat - "Kemska volost".
PS The joke is of course fabulous, but in fairy tales there is also a hint of de jure refuting de facto

[Herman 4223]

With Ukraine it is not difficult.
She illegally withdrew from the USSR. The latter has internationally recognized boundaries on paper. That is, Ukraine is legally not a state, but a Seraratian territory.

[VORON538]

Quite right. This is Ukrainian nationalist separatism. This happened at the beginning of the last century, and hundreds of years ago. After 500 years, historians will describe the NWO as another civil strife. in Russia. And later, after 90 years, they were returned to Russia. As an option, we will be able to see the modern embodiment of the death of Sodom and Gomorrah, but this is one of the worst options, if everything is completely bad with sodomites.

[TreeSmall]

How to single-handedly denounce a state recognized by "the whole world"?

International legal recognition is a unilateral act of a state through which the emergence of a new subject of international law is legally recognized in order to establish diplomatic or other relations with it.

☝️Recognition of new states or governments is the exclusive prerogative of other sovereign states☝️
Here are THREE main documents:
http://kremlin.ru/supplement/1653
They are annulled / denounced and that's it.

[TreeSmall]

But they can’t, can’t, don’t want to denounce the recognition of dill as a state?

It's not clear why
8 years…slapped lips.
Coup recognized (indirectly) by recognizing President Don Pedro Poroshenko
The ambassador was not recalled
The genocide in the DPR / LPR was not recognized, even the genocide of the people of Crimea (water blocking) was silent

The right to water is enshrined by the UN as one of the fundamental human rights. According to the resolution of the General Assembly, everyone has the right to have access to sufficient water for personal and domestic needs..

https://www.un.org/ru/events/water/facts3.htm
They don't beat on "decision-making centers"

[Himalayan]

The following is happening in the liberated territories of the Zaporozhye region. Teachers who refuse to work "for the occupiers" are paid a lump sum of $1000 in Kyiv and about $200 a month. Just because they do not teach children chemistry, physics, mathematics and biology.

Many go for it.

A simple question arises - what to do with these teachers. From a legal point of view, they are real collaborators who cooperate with the “anti-people Kyiv regime” (S.V. Lavrov) and FSB specialists should deal with it. How do they deal with some Wahhabis.

If this seems a bit excessive, at the very least, such teachers should get a wolf ticket not only to work in their profession, but in any social field, including the watermelon trade.

People who make a political (or worldly) choice must understand exactly what price they will have to pay for this choice.

For cooperation with the Kyiv authorities, you need to pay with the Gulag, actually.

By the way, Ukrainians understand the Gulag very well. In Kyiv, a bill is being developed that will introduce criminal penalties of up to 15 years in a colony for obtaining Russian citizenship.

The case when it is harmless to learn from enemies.

[TreeSmall]

A simple question arises - what to do with these teachers

Stripes and all sorts of ANALYTICS should have been thinking about this before.
UP TO 24.02.
If we entered 2014-2015, we would not have such problems:
-would really meet with flowers
-Zelensky would not have had a thousand dollars for teachers (they generally almost became bankrupt)
- Ukraine had practically no weapons, no combat experience, no trenches would have been dug.
- in the end, the sharovaries did not have a "visa-free"

The case when it is harmless to learn from enemies

Only sho Gozman was detained (for an Israeli passport: received in 2018, noted in 2019, total 2022-2019 = THREE YEARS chewed snot)
The law has been m / y for others for a long time, like since 2015.
And Gozman taught all this time

[al3x]

Bloody presidents should not have been recognized as legitimate. What's the use now in the political arena to start waving their fists.

[Mavrikiy]

To this end, it is proposed to introduce the concept of “state sponsoring terrorism” into Russian legislation.

AND.....? Any state can declare any state. And if there are more than one of us ... And what are we for? We should not be the initiators of the collapse of international relations.

"Fair Russia - For the Truth" came up with an initiative to include Ukraine in the list terrorist states or state sponsors terrorist activities.

First decide, then crow. Whom they sponsor, they themselves terrorize their population, with their own forces.

[Real Pilot]

Political PR, senseless and merciless!

This party is not seen or heard now... But they will jump out like that, remind themselves of themselves - and into the mire!
Well, they still vote for presidential initiatives together with United Russia.

And the recognition of the state as terrorist and Nazi 404 could well be (with political expediency) carried out as a result of a tribunal over the rulers of Ukraine, after the victory. With facts and evidence ... And now - this is talk for the ratings of housewives.

[Two]

Wherever you throw it - everywhere is a wedge! Money is everything!

[parusnik]

This already raises a smile. Recognizing that a Nazi coup took place in 2014, at the same time, they consistently recognized all Ukrainian presidents. With Zelensky, it’s not clear whether he is the president, or a clique or a regime. When they were elected, recognized as president, and now who? Zelensky with the regime? Or the regime, with Zelensky. Everything is like that, through the Himalayas, 30 years, 30 years, Karl! There were only partners, and then, bam, among them were not friendly countries. Apparently, someone sent it.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: parusnik

With Zelensky, it’s not clear whether he is the president, or a clique or a regime. When they were elected, recognized as president, and now who? Zelensky with the regime? Or the regime, with Zelensky.

Sometimes they recognize Hitler, too, because they recognized.

[Mavrikiy]

Experts comment on the initiative of the Russian party to recognize the Ukrainian state as terrorist

The question arises: And when did we notice this, definitely? First recognize the United States as a sponsor of terrorism, then Israel as a terrorist state, and only then ....

[Dilettante grandfather]

For example, the transit of oil and gas through Ukrainian territory should immediately be stopped,

AND? What are the problems? The Europeans need our gas - let Nord Stream 2 be opened. Do not want? We are hammered daily from every iron that gas and oil in Asia will be torn off with our hands. So let them forward the flows there, to Asia.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Information has been confirmed that representatives of the Just Russia - For Truth party came up with an initiative to include Ukraine in the list of terrorist states or states

when a cat has nothing to do...
after the victory, you need to be tried for crimes against humanity, and now it's shaking the air
sometimes it seems to me that our deputies need to be gathered as in the Union 4 times a year for a session, and the rest of the time let them work in places, maybe then they won’t suffer garbage

[Andrea]

And rightly so!
But most importantly, there will be no opportunity to arrange all sorts of negotiations - they do not negotiate with terrorists!
And then, the right word, from the previous negotiations in Minsk and Istanbul, some kind of bad odor was coming.

[iouris]

The sponsor of terrorism is the US and the EU (except for Hungary. Maybe).
And BU is the "European" analogue of ISIS (banned in the Russian Federation).

[Luminman]

Quote: Herman 4223

That is, Ukraine is legally not a state

Ukraine is some kind of incomprehensible territory in which incomprehensible processes are taking place and which is controlled by some incomprehensible stoned types ...

[Uncle lee]

Quote: Luminman

run by some incomprehensible stoned types ...

Which are controlled by other types, because of a puddle!

[iouris]

Quote: Luminman

Ukraine is some kind of incomprehensible territory in which incomprehensible processes are taking place and which is controlled by some incomprehensible stoned types ...

Comment only on what is clear. It is necessary to understand the incomprehensible before writing about it.

[GNM]

Ku!
Kyu!
And you kyu twice!
Kindergarten, damn it! As if it matters now in international politics. They, the collective West, have decided for themselves that we are to blame for everything. Even the tattoos of the Azov people have nothing to do with it. We must convince the remaining 70% of the world community that we are right!

[iouris]

Quote: GNM

to convince the remaining 70% of the world community that we are right!

Already convinced. AND?
Something must be done to make our rightness prevail.

[tralflot1832]

I'm more interested in what will happen if the initiative of the old woman Pilossi passes, on our issue.

[iouris]

The United States is not a state, but a location where TNCs are based, which are engaged in robbery and banditry around the world, in particular in Syria. Yes, and they robbed Russia and rob. So that the robbed do not come to your house and ask, it is better to kill them.

[VLAD-96]

And why Ukraine then? Ukraine is a trained dog of the USA!
Why don't they talk about the United States, which sponsors, supplies weapons, instructs their dog and treats for following commands?
If you were bitten by a dog on the street, would you go to war with it? Or you go to deal with the owner!
We are at war with a trained US dog, give it characteristics, talk to it (Medinsky is an example of this), pump GAS through it, give it a rest, do not beat it hard, respond in a balanced way or generally remain silent to its attacks and manifestations of aggression towards civilians .. .
In general, the struggle of Russia is going on with us, but under some kind of muddy sauce.

[ISKANDER_61]

this should have been done back in 2014, and maybe earlier.