Underestimating modern Europe could cost Russia dearly

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When discussions go on the topic of "shredding" European leaders, the European bureaucrats, who represent the "gray mass", are usually cited as an example. Our media often broadcast the characteristics of this "gray mass" as incapable of making independent decisions, as being guided by what directives will come from across the ocean. But is there an erroneous basis in these characteristics? Isn't there an underestimation of Europe and those very "gray" European officials?

You can say as much as you like that Borrell, Scholz, Burbock, Macron, Michel, the prime ministers of Belgium, the Netherlands, Sweden and other European countries are petty individuals who are not capable of taking serious steps. But so with the political leaders of the United States, if guided by the same logic, not everything is in order. The same Biden can hardly be considered as a person dictating conditions to Europe.



It is worth recognizing that the “dullness” of the political “leaders” of the West does not prevent them from being a great political force, which can be called nonentities and clowns as much as you like, but this does not change the meaning of their policy in any way. Against us is a strong, large, financially resourced enemy. Even if in the same euro area the average inflation has exceeded 11%, this does not mean at all that the fatal time is coming for the EU when it will fall apart at the snap of a finger. And because of this, millions of Europeans will not take to the streets, because millions of Europeans still have income, as they say, everything is in order.

The European Union will not fall apart even if Ukraine is admitted to it. It will definitely not fall apart, no matter how much the opposite is argued in our country from different stands. Because in recent years Ukraine has been made quite convenient for embedding into this common Western concept: the power of the bureaucracy, lobbying, anti-Russian politics, the brute force of the police state under the seeming “plush” liberalism and leaders from the Zelensky series.

Therefore, you should not engage in hatred against the West, you should not separate Europe from the United States. This is a single Western empire, which is openly hostile to our country. Underestimating the enemy all the time was too costly. So today, underestimating Europe with its gray bureaucrats can cost dearly.

Igor Shishkin talks about the next European "Drang nah osten" on the air of "Day TV":

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  1. +3
    2 July 2022 16: 33
    The fact of the matter is that in Russia everything about them is well known and they have no illusions.
    Incl. Shishkin don't hesitate.
    1. +12
      2 July 2022 16: 40
      I agree, I don’t know who this Shishkin is, but either a very lazy person or a degenerate does not know what the collective West in Russia is like. And no one underestimates them, the assessment is quite adequate, but overestimating the enemy is also not good. Enough already in front of them to kowtow.
      They are not gods and not even celestials, and the power of their money is not omnipotent and infinite, especially since the East is now really stronger than the West. And it will only intensify further, it has the resources for this, but the West no longer has.
      1. -10
        2 July 2022 17: 09
        In any case, we have oil, gas, timber, fertilizer, grain and calibers, but what do they have? Technology and modern production is useless without energy. Winter will show
        1. +13
          2 July 2022 17: 17
          Quote: Clever man
          In any case, we have oil, gas, timber, fertilizer, grain and calibers, but what do they have? Technology and modern production is useless without energy. Winter will show

          Well, then, oil, gas, timber, grain, fertilizers... not only we have. But, for example, they only have processors. Yes, and a lot more ... So much was said about import substitution ... And where is it? Has anyone been held accountable? Oh yes, why? We have gas, timber, oil and the list goes on...
          1. +5
            2 July 2022 17: 29
            Quote from U_GOREC
            But, for example, they only have processors

            Processor production requires energy, and processor developers need to eat something, for this you need grain and fertilizer. Etc.
            1. +11
              2 July 2022 18: 10
              Quote: Luminman
              Processor production requires energy, and processor developers need to eat something, for this you need grain and fertilizer. Etc.

              I repeat once again - not only we have grain, oil, gas and fertilizers! Our grain on the world market is generally minuscule! Without it, it will be bad in Africa, but not in Europe ... But there is nowhere to get processors, AT ALL! You, as I understand it, are reassured by liberal propaganda - you don’t need to do anything, why do we need production, industrialization ... Let them produce high-tech, but they need to eat and warm themselves ... so we will feed and heat them ... For beads...
              1. -12
                2 July 2022 18: 54
                Quote from U_GOREC
                there is nowhere to get processors, AT ALL

                Let's get into more detail from now on. What kind of processors do you need from those that you cannot buy "gray" or cannot supply the same China?

                Quote from U_GOREC
                You, as I understand it, are reassured by liberal propaganda - you don’t need to do anything, why do we need production, industrialization ...

                Well, here I am, for example, not "calmed down". But I also understand that replacing, for example, Intel is a matter of a decade (optimistically). So, now (and right now) we need alternative procurement routes Intel products or products capable of replacing it.
                1. 0
                  19 August 2022 21: 51
                  Huawei - the largest Chinese technology company in peacetime, due to simple sanctions, did not find any processors at all. Even on an outdated base. After some time, the Americans took pity and allowed to buy backward ones. Or they can take everything.
              2. +1
                3 July 2022 06: 10
                Looks like you're way behind the times. Are you having a hard time understanding what processors you are talking about? Most household and industrial appliances do not use separate processors, they are built into microcontrollers, otherwise called systems on a chip (SoC). In such a system, there are usually several processors of very different purposes and architectures. Such SoCs are designed and produced in China, Korea..., in Russia too. The whole problem is in the technology of microcircuit production. It so happened that somewhere 80% of the world production of microcircuits (16-8) nm and less is concentrated in Taiwan. He, unfortunately, joined the sanctions against Russia. This sad circumstance does not affect the military equipment of Russia, since it has its own production of microchips of the military and space category.
                1. 0
                  19 August 2022 21: 53
                  The problem is that all processors in the world are produced on American equipment (let's refer to the Netherlands and Japan as America).
                  Architecture and production are bullshit, the thing is quite lifting. But without equipment, you can't do anything. And his - this equipment, neither we nor China can appear.
              3. -1
                3 July 2022 08: 25
                Neon is mostly in China and here. The manufacturer of masks for processors has a stock for 2 months of production. If there is no gas, and it certainly will not be, since it will not be sold, the production of chips will become. There are also trace elements without which the production of electronic components is not possible, and they are only in Russia and China, and in 90 percent of cases, only in our country.
                And import substitution is underway. Only now it seems impossible to fulfill the five-year plan in three days, even if there are excess amounts of money. If you can, then offer a solution, and if you can’t, then there’s nothing to blame anyone.
                1. +7
                  3 July 2022 12: 27
                  Quote: svoroponov
                  Neon is mostly in China and here. The manufacturer of masks for processors has a stock for 2 months of production. If there is no gas, and it certainly will not be, since it will not be sold, the production of chips will become. There are also trace elements without which the production of electronic components is not possible, and they are only in Russia and China, and in 90 percent of cases, only in our country.

                  In order not to pour from empty to empty ... I offer a bet - I bet that in two months the production of chips will not stop and will be completely provided with gas! I take it you're the opposite? A box of Vaspurakan, as a bet, will it suit you? Well, or a bottle, if you don’t pull ... Let's already begin to answer for our words ...
                  Quote: svoroponov
                  And import substitution is underway. Only now it seems impossible to complete the five-year plan in three days, even if there are excess amounts of money.

                  And you look at the experience of the USSR for years like this from 1925 to 1941. Or from 1946 to 1954 ...
                  1. +1
                    3 July 2022 17: 45
                    You can without a bet. Stock of neon for about 2 months for the production of masks and a reserve of masks from a chip manufacturer (Taiwan) for about 3 months. So they can stretch the production of processors up to six months.
                    the rest were in a similar state, since there was no need to make large inventories. Everything has been fine-tuned for decades. And here it is.
                    True, if China does not back down and does not share, he is still a comrade. Neon production, if we discard us and China, remains from third-party suppliers somewhere up to 30 percent. But the problem is that processors are produced by 3 companies, but only masks for them one.
                    It is possible to increase gas production, but not all foundries are suitable for the technology and it will be necessary to establish even higher purification of this gas. In total, at least a year or two downtime is possible. Will they survive?
                    Well, in the production of chips, material is used (sorry, I don’t remember the name), but the main supplier of it is 90 percent Russia. It is traded little but it is needed. Well, besides, no one forbade gray schemes. This is when they don’t seem to be friends, but from under the floor they mutually trade in the necessary.
                2. 0
                  20 August 2022 09: 14
                  Add another 30 years to three days and do not forget about 20 years of Soviet import substitution.
              4. 0
                3 July 2022 11: 26
                Duck like their beads are no longer needed) now our beads are required to buy gas)
            2. -1
              8 July 2022 18: 58
              The production of processors requires not only energy, but also gallium and neon. You can turn it off in one month. And our brother will wash with Fermosa
          2. +11
            2 July 2022 17: 33
            Processors they have who? Taiwan with China? So China is not them, and Taiwan apparently does not have long left, China will definitely not let it go. And what will they be made of, if the main supplier of gas for processors is Russia and now almost the former Ukraine?
            1. +10
              2 July 2022 20: 45
              Go behind any of our defense factories. 99% of machines are made in Europe or USA. It's exactly the same in China. We will not be able to produce oil or gas without Western technology (((
              1. +1
                2 July 2022 21: 49
                How did you get it before?
              2. +4
                3 July 2022 09: 18
                Yes, like the USSR calmly coped with this ..
                1. -1
                  3 July 2022 16: 26
                  Quote: igorka357
                  Yes, like the USSR calmly coped with this ..

                  If you have never been to the factory. Why write anything at all?
                  1. 0
                    6 July 2022 03: 46
                    I work in a factory..))
              3. 0
                3 July 2022 18: 01
                You have not seen our modern machines, a feast for the eyes and in terms of accuracy and productivity is no worse. Just earlier it was necessary to buy quickly and not a small volume. The authorities saw where things were going and were in a hurry. By the way, at one of the military industries, German machine tools and their service on their part were quickly and successfully remade for themselves. There was an attempt to stop work from a German service company, and our programmers from one research institute stopped transmitting information about the operation of machine tools abroad. It took only a month. Now they are solving the issue with components, there is an old stock, but it is not endless. Some will be produced in their tool shop (mechanics), some, electronics, for Muscovites, Siberians, Indians and Vietnamese. They decided not to let the Chinese in, they, the parasites, immediately raised the price 3 times. So that's it.
              4. 0
                8 July 2022 18: 59
                And why deplete the subsoil if there are no buyers?
            2. +3
              2 July 2022 21: 51
              Quote: Kayala
              Processors they have who? Taiwan with China? So China is not them, and Taiwan apparently does not have long left, China will definitely not let it go. And what will they be made of, if the main supplier of gas for processors is Russia and now almost the former Ukraine?

              You at least occasionally break away from the zombie! China does not produce ITS processors! All licenses belong to you know who! And Russia has never been the main supplier of neon. It just so happened that up to 60% was produced in Ukraine. But it's not for you to produce Boeings. The technology is simple, the raw material is a neon-helium mixture produced at any large metallurgical plant. And they are not only in Russia. It is enough to install an installation for the separation of the neon-helium mixture. And that's all - no dependence on "Russian" neon. You don’t believe the propagandists too much ...
              1. +1
                3 July 2022 06: 29
                You are confusing something. Licenses for Neumann architecture, Harvard, AWP, etc.? There are no such licenses, by definition. There are licensed libraries of intelligent kernels. Most of them belong to Western firms, it's true. But this is not because they are super smart, laziness let Russia down, as usual, but libraries are already being taken care of. China seems to have its own. In any case, he quickly catches up.
              2. 0
                3 July 2022 11: 27
                Everything is gone, I'll go out the window, I'll step
              3. 0
                8 July 2022 19: 01
                And dig gallium with a shovel on the banks of the Dnieper!
              4. +1
                16 July 2022 15: 33
                All licenses belong to you know who!

                A license is a feeder for litigation, you can’t cover it from the rain and you can’t eat it instead of bread.
                Important machines, technological lines that will never be sold to us.
              5. 0
                23 August 2022 22: 25
                China does not produce ITS processors!

                Longson 3A5000
            3. 0
              3 July 2022 08: 39
              In Odessa, Ukraine, they only carried out additional cleaning of neon. The bulk of the gas came from Russia and a certain percentage from Mariupol and like Nikolaev? (but very little) from steel mills to this enterprise. Russia covered the plant in Odessa as a military facility (it seems there was a message). It takes up to 3 years to build such an enterprise with this technology and the definition of the resource base (not all steel enterprises can provide neon production during casting). So with the release of chips, real problems are brewing for the West.
              In Russia, they seem to have mastered the technology of 96 nanometers, but this is already good at the moment. Next will go faster. Our bankrupt manufacturer from South Korea seemed to be persuaded to move to us. They seem to have established the production of a small series of 26 nanometers, but due to small volumes they could not withstand competition in the west, now they work with us together with ours.
              1. +2
                4 July 2022 22: 30
                The USSR had its own production of microcircuits, its own semiconductor and electronic factories.
                Humpty destroyed the USSR, Chubaty destroyed industry.
                People have long been talking about broken radio electronics ...
                1. 0
                  8 July 2022 19: 06
                  I assume you are saying that Calibers and Daggers are controlled by Taiwanese chip manufacturers?
          3. -1
            2 July 2022 20: 02
            We make processors. The biggest in the world. And they put on "Yars" and "Sarmatians". Trust me, there's enough for everyone. If necessary, we will deliver to the European Union)))
            1. +1
              3 July 2022 09: 22
              On the Sarmatians and Yars, the processors enter the final flight path in the form of a decoy if cho ...))
          4. 0
            3 July 2022 03: 56
            Well, then, oil, gas, timber, grain, fertilizers... not only we have. But, for example, they only have processors.
            And the processors are not only, and not so much with them ...
        2. +14
          2 July 2022 17: 27
          Winter will show

          Unfortunately, this was already said about Ukraine in 2014, but for now things are still there.
          1. -2
            2 July 2022 21: 54
            Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
            Unfortunately, this was already said about Ukraine in 2014, but for now things are still there.

            Well, brotherly peoples))) We, too, as you can see, hope for victory ...
      2. +5
        2 July 2022 18: 50
        Quote: Kayala

        They are not gods and not even celestials, and the power of their money is not omnipotent and infinite, especially since the East is now really stronger than the West.

        Everything is rightly said, about - not gods, etc.
        But the power and stability of their economy should not be discounted. I am sure they will find a replacement for both our gas and our oil. And this should be taken into account in our future plans.
        1. 0
          8 July 2022 19: 10
          But Germany forced Canada to hand over the turbocharger. Otherwise - ass!
      3. 0
        2 July 2022 21: 06
        What is the underestimation? Let the author look at Skabeeva. For 2 hours the Russian inhabitant is nightmare by vile intrigues of the West. They show what modern weapons the West has supplied and will supply to Ukraine. After watching, it seems that all Russia came kranty. All this would be good and right, of course, Skabeeva cannot show what Russia can actually oppose to this, because she is not allowed to go to state secrets and cannot and does not want to disclose anything, not stupid. Instead, vague statements by experts, they say. it's not all that scary. Therefore, with a forced one-sided submission of information, it is wrong to intimidate people
    2. +8
      2 July 2022 16: 42
      Precisely because one must not underestimate one's enemies, one must sever any economic ties with them.
      Enemies should not have anything with which they can blackmail us. Or steal.
      In addition, there is nothing in Europe that could not be found in other countries.
      1. +6
        2 July 2022 17: 19
        Quote: Shurik70
        In addition, there is nothing in Europe that could not be found in other countries.

        For example civil aviation. Wide-body, long-haul ... Where?
        1. -2
          2 July 2022 17: 51
          Against us is a strong, large, financially resourced enemy.

          If he is the policy of us, and not instead of us, then Russia does not slurp cabbage soup winked
          1. +1
            2 July 2022 19: 12
            Quote from U_GOREC
            Quote: Shurik70
            In addition, there is nothing in Europe that could not be found in other countries.

            For example civil aviation. Wide-body, long-haul ... Where?

            By the way, it’s very good that problems with the supply of components for the CR929 project have surfaced now, when it is at the stage of building the first prototype, and not at the stage of mass production.
            You must use your own accessories.
            1. +4
              2 July 2022 21: 32
              Quote: Shurik70
              You must use your own accessories.

              This, of course, is good, but where to get them? This whole industry needs to be revived! And it's not just factories! This is an engineering school, and research, and the corresponding education system! Do you see any progress in this direction? Me not! You can see how our people were processed, by the reaction to my post. Exactly half believe that oil, gas, timber, grain is our EVERYTHING! And nothing else is needed for success. They (Europeans) need to eat and warm themselves... We are happy to slide into the 19th century. In a sense, to the place that RI occupied in the international division of labor then!
              1. +3
                2 July 2022 22: 49
                Not revive, but reconfigure. Military planes are at the very least releasing. By the way, I suspect that some kind of avionics is also used in military aircraft. I wonder where the processors came from, is it really from the west? And in Iskander? The problem of restarting the civil aircraft industry lies more in the bureaucracy, because any component adapted for civil aviation must be tested and certified, which is a lengthy procedure. Whoever introduced something will understand me.
                1. +4
                  3 July 2022 08: 03
                  Yes, in any case - to revive, reconfigure, lure, steal - these technologies MUST BE in the country !!!
                  They were, now they are not.
                  Guilty, of course, it is desirable to punish, but the priority is to correct what they have done and take measures to prevent this from happening in the future.
              2. +2
                3 July 2022 09: 28
                Well, don’t tell me, I live in Novosibirsk, and I see our academy .. there young people don’t study in offices .. and now it’s more prestigious for young people to study as engineers, technologists .. and not as office plankton as before ..
                1. +3
                  3 July 2022 12: 33
                  Quote: igorka357
                  Well, don’t tell me, I live in Novosibirsk, and I see our academy .. there young people don’t study in offices .. and now it’s more prestigious for young people to study as engineers, technologists .. and not as office plankton as before ..

                  Reminds me of the movie The Courier. Vanessa Ivanovna: You are right to me, we have wonderful youth, I watch TV every day and declare responsibly - we have excellent youth !!!
                  1. 0
                    3 July 2022 14: 32
                    You mixed up something, I don’t watch TV, but I go to the academic city every day, and I see the workload of the institutes .. so you and Vanessa Ivanovna have gone off topic at all ..
                    1. -2
                      3 July 2022 15: 03
                      Quote: igorka357
                      I'm not a TV, but every day I visit the campus

                      Are you taxiing?
                      1. +1
                        6 July 2022 03: 48
                        Are you Evgeny Vaganovich?
                      2. +1
                        6 July 2022 09: 12
                        Quote: igorka357
                        Are you Evgeny Vaganovich?

                        I don’t know who it is, but if you write that you go there every day, and if you worked or lived there, then you would write like that ... This suggests a simple conclusion - a taxi driver? courier? Bus driver?
                        Well, write who you are and what you do there every day, so that you can evaluate your subjective evaluative opinion about the "workload of institutions" ...
                      3. 0
                        7 July 2022 02: 47
                        I work at NZHK, and work there every day.. Satisfied? What is NZHK I hope you will find out for yourself ..
                      4. -1
                        7 July 2022 08: 19
                        And what do you work for, if it's not a secret?
                      5. 0
                        7 July 2022 16: 05
                        Secret .. I hope they read about the plant .. hi
                      6. -1
                        7 July 2022 16: 22
                        Quote: igorka357
                        Secret .. I hope they read about the plant ..

                        I read it. But here you see what the deal is... You can work at the plant as a security guard at the checkpoint and every day "visit Akademgorodok" on the way to work, if you live, for example, in Berdsk. Agree, in this case, you, working at NZHK, every day, "at work", visit Akademgorodok laughing But in this case, your value judgment about the "load of institutions", to put it mildly, is incompetent request
                      7. 0
                        12 July 2022 17: 19
                        To put it mildly, you just decided to troll me and chat. Further, I consider our dialogue ended. Even if unilaterally hi hi
                      8. 0
                        12 July 2022 17: 20
                        And if you go from Berdsk to NZHK, then you certainly don’t stop by the academy winked
        2. +3
          2 July 2022 19: 02
          Ask Chubais.
        3. -1
          3 July 2022 09: 25
          We'll start doing our own when they run out, but for now we don't itch. Well, what are we, we have such a mentality .. until we bite, we won’t move.
        4. 0
          8 July 2022 19: 13
          Question: "Who needs them today?"
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    4. +2
      3 July 2022 20: 36
      Well, we all understand this well, but our authorities are not very good. And the more they talk nonsense about weakness and spinelessness, the more they themselves begin to believe in it .. It is clear that all statements by the Russian authorities are mainly for the Russian population, especially which is simpler and lives on TV, but the trouble is (I repeat) that are already beginning to believe what they carry.
      1. 0
        8 July 2022 19: 14
        A great example of verbiage - a lot of words, and not an ounce of meaning
  2. +7
    2 July 2022 16: 35
    Even if in the same eurozone the average inflation has exceeded 11%, this does not mean at all ...



    8,6% in June.
    1. +13
      2 July 2022 17: 37
      Quote from: alex_mosc
      8,6% in June.

      These are trifles, we have already failed over 20% and everyone is silent.
      1. +7
        2 July 2022 17: 42
        17% was.

        Silence is everything. For the time being...
        1. +4
          2 July 2022 18: 19
          Quote from: alex_mosc
          17% was.

          You have it, and we have it for 20%
          1. +1
            2 July 2022 18: 49
            In Russia? I have not seen such figures. Maybe in a separate area. Now I looked, it was 17,8% at the peak in the country.

            But that's not the point, it's big...
            1. +3
              2 July 2022 19: 21
              He is the Baltic.
              1. +2
                2 July 2022 19: 47
                Thank you. Clear...
                1. ada
                  +3
                  2 July 2022 23: 39
                  Vlad is a Soviet sailor! good
                  1. +3
                    3 July 2022 09: 18
                    If you see the Soviet tanker Arturus here, hello from me, we met in Cuba.
        2. 0
          8 July 2022 19: 17
          Today I was in the store and found that the rippled chicken ran out of gold, prices fell. By the way, last year's sugar beets also fell in price.
      2. +4
        3 July 2022 20: 39
        in our country, after the start of recognition of the LDNR, prices increased by 50 percent for most of the goods. Now, they’ve slightly thrown off, but yes, the price has risen by 20 percent from NG, and if this is translated into annual inflation (and about the EU they write about an annual rate of 8 percent (that is, less than 1 percent per month), then we just get 40- 50 per annum
        1. +1
          4 July 2022 08: 52
          Quote: AwaZ
          in our country, after the start of recognition of the LDNR, prices increased by 50 percent for most of the goods.

          And in the Baltics, after February 24, everything has at least doubled in price, and everyone is silent.
          1. +3
            4 July 2022 11: 11
            let's be clear. I saw reports on TV about how journalists talked about the horrors of life in the EU after February 24 and crazy price increases and empty shelves. There was even a report from Italy about it. Then I talked with Italian acquaintances who have always been quite loyal to the Russians and even now understand the reason for the war, and if they don’t support it as a way to solve problems, they generally understand Putin.
            So, from their words and even from photographs: at first, gasoline went up sharply, up to 2,5 euros, then there were cases of strikes by Italian drivers (and Italians love it) and this caused some logistical problems with the supply of remote outlets or settlements, there there really was a panic and people swept away sugar, pasta, flour, salt, and so on little things. Shelves were really empty in some stores. But this is a single case in single stores and villages. Everything worked out in three to four days, a maximum of a week. In large agglomerations, this was not the case at all. Well, at least the locals don't talk about it. During the four months of the war, prices for such basic products as pasta, sugar, salt, flour, did not rise at all. Again about gasoline. The authorities immediately turned on oil companies and partially cut off fuel excises and taxes, and the price of gasoline returned to 1,8 per liter, which is not so catastrophic for Italy, since I used to fill up there for 1,7, but it was for me, the most expensive price of gasoline, mostly they have 1,5-1,6.
            Even the authorities of the Russian Federation are talking about inflation in the Baltics in the region of 10-15 percent, that is, somewhere around 1 percent per month. Will you notice four percent in the price of milk in four months? Well, only if you keep a close eye on it. So I would like to see real evidence ..
            1. +2
              4 July 2022 12: 49
              Quote: AwaZ
              . During the four months of the war, prices for such basic products as pasta, sugar, salt, flour, did not rise at all. Again about gasoline

              Only Himalayan and Polish iodized salt (does not go for salting, the price is two or three times, vegetable oil from 1,7 euros, now 3.20 euros. exactly twice the pasta, flour by 70%, sausages and ham twice the meat for 50%, all cereals twice, buckwheat three times Gasoline kerosene 2.20 euros, but I am silent about gas, and this summer This is what I see every day and not by hearsay, but when I come to the store. was.
              1. +2
                4 July 2022 13: 53
                Well, then I sympathize with you. Just for example, in the Russian Federation now flour, if you translate at the old euro exchange rate somewhere around 77 rubles, it costs just 1 euro per kilo, if at the official rate it’s already 1,5 .. In Russia, sugar flour they always cost about the same per kilo and recently they cost within 30-50 rubles per kilo, which is equivalent to somewhere around 0,5-0,7 euros. Now here's the price...
                1. 0
                  4 July 2022 16: 34
                  Quote: AwaZ
                  Just for example, in the Russian Federation now flour, if you translate at the old euro rate somewhere around 77 rubles, costs just 1 euro per kilo,


                  And if all this is translated into Soviet rubles, then 1 kilo of wheat flour cost 20 kopecks. and rye 16 kopecks.
                  1. +1
                    4 July 2022 17: 22
                    Are you really in the Baltics, or are you just making up a fool like that on the go?
                    1. +2
                      4 July 2022 17: 48
                      Quote: AwaZ
                      Are you really in the Baltics, or are you just making up a fool like that on the go?

                      Everyone on the site knows where I'm from.
                    2. +1
                      4 July 2022 17: 52
                      Quote: AwaZ
                      Are you really in the Baltics, or are you just making up a fool like that on the go?

                      A kilo of buckwheat from 2,60 to 3,20 euros, a kilo of rice from 2,00 to 3,00 euros, even barley, which cost 0,43, became 2,50 euros.
                      1. +1
                        4 July 2022 18: 31
                        duck, we have the same garbage, basic products from 50 rubles per kilo to almost 80, that is, if for the euro, then from 0,7 to one euro with a plus. Of course, it’s not 2,5, but everything was cheaper with us before, and incomes also correlated the same
                      2. 0
                        4 July 2022 20: 16
                        Quote: AwaZ
                        Of course, it’s not 2,5, but everything was cheaper with us before, and incomes also correlated the same

                        Income and prices are different, but the blow not to Russia, but to Europe, is significant. Only for what, and only for whom? Why is it Europe? ....
                        "Guys let's be friends".
                      3. 0
                        4 July 2022 21: 11
                        I will upset you, but we have not yet heard the problems with the departure of foreign companies and the disappearance of a significant part of the usual goods ...
                2. 0
                  8 July 2022 19: 28
                  Do you know what you write? The price of granulated sugar fell from 74 to 69 rubles, which means 1,3 in Euro terms. You can forget about the course 77P / E - today it is around 60.
  3. +4
    2 July 2022 16: 43
    Are we underestimating Europe? Yes, we overestimate it. Its economic resources are not particularly large, the population is half that of India alone, unity is only in words, production has long been in Asia (for the most part), the birth rate has long been in the red (with their consumer society and perversions) ... You can continue. They keep on the loot in the past from the colonies, on some technologies (by inertia), on political blackmail. Only time does not play on Europe, there is no future for it.
    1. +12
      2 July 2022 16: 50
      Quote from Pharmacist
      Its economic resources are not particularly large, the population is half that of India alone,

      But I don’t see Indian cars on the roads, but there are plenty of European ones. It turns out that we ourselves support their economy.
      1. -11
        2 July 2022 16: 58
        theirs = go, sir, to the sixth grade to teach "GREAT AND POWERFUL", and then teach us to cook cabbage soup.
        1. +1
          2 July 2022 17: 05
          You really are. This fellow is very disrespectful. laughing
          1. -3
            2 July 2022 17: 23
            Quote: Andrey Moskvin
            You really are. This fellow is very disrespectful. laughing

            Why should I be polite to the person who sent me to the sixth grade? I finished school in the USSR. And he studied on "leave me alone, nasty." sad
            1. R
              -5
              2 July 2022 18: 30
              I finished school in the USSR. And he studied on "leave me alone, nasty"


              It was because of such that the USSR collapsed laughing The state spent material resources on them, built schools, paid salaries to teachers and hoped to get a return in the form of a highly qualified specialist or a literate worker, and they could not even master their native language in 8-10 years of completely free education and generally "studied" leave me alone , opposing".. laughing Or is it not your native language?
              1. +10
                2 July 2022 19: 15
                Quote from Resident
                hoped to get a return in the form of a highly qualified specialist or a competent worker

                And I consider myself a competent worker.
                I even know what nonius is. wassat
        2. +5
          2 July 2022 17: 09
          Quote: begemot20091
          go, sir, to the sixth grade to teach "GREAT AND POWERFUL", and then teach us to cook cabbage soup.

          What are you teaching me here? Was it a shame for your western car? Guessed? I'm curious, what model do you have?
          1. +2
            2 July 2022 18: 38
            I didn’t guess, I don’t have a car at all, from the word at all. There are only 4 diplomas, a pension ... even for Chernobyl they pay about 3000, For Fergana and Andijan, not a penny.
            1. -2
              2 July 2022 18: 50
              Quote: begemot20091
              There are only 4 degrees

              Well, I wouldn't be particularly proud of having wiped my pants on the bench 4 times. hi For example, one diploma is enough for me.
              1. 0
                4 July 2022 08: 00
                One diploma was enough for me to teach where you were taught. ask = what diplomas are after graduation. At the age of 70, the total length of service and work is 56 years. In addition: VU could have ended externally, what problems
            2. +11
              2 July 2022 19: 06
              In vain you are so.
              Normal colloquial word.
              Not everyone can weave literary lace.
              Living vernacular.
              For me, let it be, something obscene that I hear constantly on the streets.
              1. +6
                2 July 2022 20: 22
                Quote: Flood
                Normal colloquial word.

                "O great, mighty, truthful and free Russian language!" I.S. Turgenev.
                "And he certainly was theirs - and theirs." I.S. Turgenev.
              2. +2
                4 July 2022 08: 06
                I agree with you. But I will note, however: my coffee hurts my ear, although the Ministry of Education and Science for "COFFEE" fixed the middle gender. I guess adults! readers of this site remember: HE is my COFFEE.
                1. +1
                  4 July 2022 08: 45
                  Quote: begemot20091
                  HE IS MY COFFEE

                  and by no means soluble
        3. 0
          8 July 2022 19: 31
          Dear Sirs! Respect your native language. If this is not for you, then you do not belong on this site!
          PS: I do not want to be a Nazi - write in your native language, we will understand and learn with pleasure the point of view of other peoples.
    2. +10
      2 July 2022 17: 32
      Its economic resources are not particularly large

      The GDP of the European Union is the second in the world, and slightly more than China. Count at your leisure. And 8-10 times more than the Russian Federation.
      And India is a country with a poor and extremely poor population, and what a joy we are that the population of India is larger than in Europe.
      We have two years: minus 1 million population. And the government does not lift a finger on this issue.
      So, you need to really look at things, and not "scatter your hats."
      1. +2
        2 July 2022 20: 59
        It is necessary to look not so much at politicians as at those who stand behind them and manage them. This brotherhood is usually in the shadows and little is known about it to the general public.
      2. 0
        2 July 2022 21: 48
        As it does not strike, but reinforced importation from the former Central Asia. They work hard.
        1. +2
          4 July 2022 18: 34
          Quote from AdAstra
          As it does not strike, but reinforced importation from the former Central Asia. They work hard.

          Have you forgotten the word "limit" in the USSR? The same people from the same republics in the same jobs.....
      3. 0
        8 July 2022 19: 36
        GDP arithmetic is very crafty.
    3. +6
      2 July 2022 17: 41
      Quote from Pharmacist
      Yes, we overestimate it. Its economic resources are not particularly large, the population is two times less than in India alone, unity is only in words, production has long been in Asia


      What kind of car do you personally prefer to drive, Chinese or Indian?
      1. 0
        8 July 2022 19: 37
        Believe it or not, in American!
        1. 0
          8 July 2022 19: 48
          Quote: EMMM
          Believe it or not, in American!

          I didn't even doubt it.
          1. 0
            8 July 2022 20: 05
            Thank you, but for most of my life I drove their Soviet copies. Gaz-21I, Gaz-24-01.
            1. 0
              8 July 2022 20: 24
              Quote: EMMM
              Gaz-21I, Gaz-24-01.

              There was a Gaz-21 1966 release, I liked it. But kerosene was 6 kopecks. liter, although she ate up to 15 liters per day. It still sits in the shed.
              1. 0
                8 July 2022 20: 44
                Well, actually, gasoline A-66, my dad had a 1960 car with a power of 70hp, a 2-speed gearbox with steering on a column. At the age of 14, I received my first management lessons there. Today it is considered a crime.
              2. 0
                8 July 2022 20: 47
                For gasoline, from 4 kopecks to 7 kopecks from 1964 to 1970. But on 24-01 I ate about 13-15 liters per 100 km
                1. 0
                  8 July 2022 21: 23
                  Quote: EMMM
                  For gasoline, from 4 kopecks to 7 kopecks from 1964 to 1970. But on 24-01 I ate about 13-15 liters per 100 km

                  It’s true that in 1970 it was 6 kopecks, I poured 50 liters for 3 rubles for a week (in the city), like a bottle of vodka, the cost, with my salary, is what to drink a glass of soda now. Therefore, no one even counted the money for gasoline, and now 2 euros, this is a pound of meat. Everything is known in its own skin.
                  1. 0
                    11 July 2022 19: 02
                    So, where are you now?
                    2 Euro per kilo of beef? This is a robbery!
                    1. 0
                      11 July 2022 21: 11
                      Quote: EMMM
                      2 Euro per kilo of beef? This is a robbery!

                      2 euros half a kilo of a pig, and that is a rarity, beef 8-10 euros a kilo. On the other side of Ivangorod.
              3. 0
                8 July 2022 20: 51
                One more thing, it was possible to buy coupons at half the price from GAZon
                1. 0
                  8 July 2022 21: 28
                  Quote: EMMM
                  One more thing, it was possible to buy coupons at half the price from GAZon

                  Where I live, there was a voucher for gasoline from GAZ, 25% cheaper, but for a year, the price for it was 10 rubles, but for a year it was 4,6 rubles for 100 liters, two tanks or 2 kg. Doctor's sausage.
                  1. 0
                    11 July 2022 18: 58
                    Sorry colleague! Lawn had a coupon for the 66th for 3, and for the 72nd for 4 kopecks per liter. I seem a little older than you, but it's a pleasure to talk to you.
                    1. 0
                      11 July 2022 21: 16
                      Quote: EMMM
                      Lawn had a coupon for the 66th for 3, and for the 72nd for 4 kopecks per liter.

                      We GAZ (Volgovsky Center) gave a voucher with a 25% discount, this is if you have a Volga car.
                      It has been since 1968. When it ended I don’t know, then I already went only by taxi.
    4. +4
      2 July 2022 18: 18
      Quote from Pharmacist
      Its economic resources are not particularly large,

      Well, yes, the GDP of the EU, compared to ours - chickens laugh! laughing
      Quote from Pharmacist
      the population is half that of India alone

      And if you put India and China together - then Europe in terms of population - generally sucks!
      Quote from Pharmacist
      production long time in Asia (for the most part)

      And to whom does it belong!
      Quote from Pharmacist
      the birth rate has long been in the red (with their consumer society and perversions) ...

      We have that SPIRITUAL STRENGTH as a plus!!!
      Quote from Pharmacist
      on some technologies (by inertia),

      Of course by inertia! So what if our entire auto industry got up due to the cessation of supplies of components ... This is inertia!
      Quote from Pharmacist
      Only time does not play on Europe, there is no future for it.

      Time is playing on us! We will throw hats on everyone!!!
    5. +1
      2 July 2022 20: 47
      Quote from Pharmacist
      Its economic resources are not particularly large, the population is half that of India alone, unity is only in words, production has long been in Asia (for the most part), the birth rate has long been in the red (with their consumer society and perversions) ... You can continue.

      If we follow your logic, then what awaits us? What are the prospects?
  4. +2
    2 July 2022 16: 49
    It is worth recognizing that the “dullness” of political “leaders” West does not prevent them from being a great political force

    ***

    "The West is not the whole world -

    West is sunset...

    ***
  5. +3
    2 July 2022 16: 56
    The article is like a question. Yes or no? I think Europe today is:
    1. Under US control.
    2. He will lose a lot because of the Ukrainian crisis. There will be no more cheap resources from Russia, and the Russian market for Europe will shrink greatly.
    3. The leaders of Europe are talking heads, strong personalities like Orban are rare.
    4. The degradation of moral values, the decay of foundations and the rejection of laws in international practice will lead Europe to the loss of potential leadership.
    So there is no point in being afraid of them. Yes, the rich... bye...
    1. 0
      8 July 2022 19: 47
      The collective west has opened Pandora's box. By stealing our foreign exchange reserves, he showed that the world financial system had collapsed. Yes, the loss of B$300 is sensitive, but the conclusions of our country and other countries will lead to the collapse of the dollar as a reserve currency, and the current financial system in general, from the word "completely". And then, let's look at the financial "power".
  6. nnm
    +9
    2 July 2022 16: 58
    In my opinion, two points are not taken into account:
    1. Migration. Both in the USA and in Europe. At the same time, the European self-identity, the unity of Europe will be torn apart both along the internal contour and externally. It is enough to look at the positive dynamics of the Le Pen parties, or the AfD in Germany, whose activities are largely based on opposition to the current migration policy. Consider Catalonia, or the newly scheduled referendum on Scottish independence. Conflicts between Turkey, Greece, Cyprus, etc. And this despite the fact that migrants tend to have a positive birth rate, and the birth rate of Europeans is barely kept at the level of a coefficient of 1.4. that is, we are not even talking about the reproduction of the living generation.
    2. Economic. A survey conducted last week in Germany showed that 40% of West Germans and 65% of East Germans believe that it is necessary to stop provoking Russia. About the business of the leading economies in Europe, in general, you can not talk. And when the economic power of Europe's locomotives, due to rising costs, falls against the increasing profitability of Asia, what will voters in Europe say? And this despite the fact that the unity of Europe is largely based on the fact that its economic locomotives are bombarded with money from beggars like Poland, the Baltic states, and so on. And this golden rain will dry up? And so the EU is suing Poland and Hungary for violating general principles. And whether the Germans will still give their money to the same Poles.
    Yes, and the recent public mutual insults of the same Scholz and the macron due to the economic zones of the strait can be recalled.
    Yes, it is not worth considering that in Europe there are only rich fat gays who do not know how to fight or work.
    But even the unity of Europe is a utopia. And BREXIT clearly showed this. This is a bunch of scorpions in the bank, which are restrained on the one hand by the desire to get other people's money for free and in return by the desire to actually control smaller and poorer countries at the expense of economic dependence - that is another kind of "unity" and friendship.
    1. +2
      2 July 2022 18: 14
      In my opinion, two points are not taken into account:

      In my opinion.. Europe has much more weaknesses.. But in comparison with whom and with what? This is the question .. and the study under the microscope of weaknesses /
      enemy forces .. and repeating them like a mantra .. will not be a guarantee of victory .. Victory will be only when there are no weaknesses within our state .. well, or they will be significantly reduced.
      Personally, I am very annoyed by the fact that everyone is afraid of even thinking about our weaknesses .. not just to start eliminating them .. but they don’t even speak, and if they do, then in an undertone .. in a whisper ..
  7. +1
    2 July 2022 17: 05
    I would define the topic differently. What prevents the West from considering Russia as an equal player. The desire to prevail, to dictate its will, puts the West on a very dangerous line.
    1. +4
      2 July 2022 17: 46
      Quote: Mikhail Maslov
      I would define the topic differently. What prevents the West from considering Russia as an equal player.

      Eternal malice, hatred for Russia, and even greed. Already from the very beginning of the 13th century, the Germans, the Teutons-Marmons with their bando formations, nicknamed "orders" for beauty, break their teeth on the Russian soil, bleed, and everyone climbs, and will not stop.
      1. +3
        2 July 2022 17: 57
        What are Mormons in the 13th century? The US has not yet been. laughing
        1. +2
          2 July 2022 18: 16
          Quote: Andrey Moskvin
          What are Mormons in the 13th century? The US has not yet been.

          Teutons-Marmons, Marmons-drug addicts, what's the difference, the main thing is rhyme. Don't be offended.
  8. +4
    2 July 2022 17: 06
    You can say as much as you like that Borrell, Scholz, Burbock, Macron, Michel, the prime ministers of Belgium, the Netherlands, Sweden, and other European countries are petty individuals who are not capable of taking serious steps.

    These individuals are not capable of taking independent steps that radically change the political situation. Their voice is strong only in the choir (hence NATO and the EU), like the howling of wolves in a pack.
    Therefore, you should not engage in hatred against the West, you should not separate Europe from the United States.

    Yes, you don't need to do this. Moreover, it is a thankless task. In place of the GDP, I would focus on the internal ENEMIES OF THE HOMELAND and deepen the development of the union state in such a way that the overall economy and the achievements of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus would work not for a narrow circle of moneybags, but for the benefit of countries and peoples. It's time to figure out how to bring the country to a socially just society, and not engage in PR pseudo-hero of capitalist labor.
    1. +1
      2 July 2022 18: 05
      In place of GDP, I would focus on internal ENEMIES OF THE HOMELAND

      This would really give the greatest result .. only in this case, he will be left completely alone .. there will be no managers and officials at all ...
      I believe that Putin should at least focus on responsibility for the result .. in other words, he didn’t complete it, he failed the task .. kindly, at least make room, and as a maximum, also sit in places .. think .. Just with today's system .. it is impossible to pull out several characters ... there, without exception, everyone has hairy palms .. and with such a socially just society there will definitely not be .. as well as positive results.
      1. +3
        2 July 2022 18: 33
        Quote: Svarog
        there, without exception, everyone has hairy palms .. and with such a socially just society there will definitely not be .. as well as positive results.

        That's for sure:
        1. 0
          2 July 2022 19: 52
          Or here .. Delyagin's thoughts .. it's hard to disagree with him.
          1. +2
            3 July 2022 03: 45
            Firstly, I do not perceive Delyagin as a significant expert either in economics or in political processes.
            Even here, imputing our bodies to do “anything but their own obligations (or is it obligations?)”, he forgets about his duties - the duties of a State Duma deputy, who is called upon to create laws necessary for the country and people, make requests and conduct proceedings at work authorities.
            Secondly, I do not like his manner of speaking in the style of the hateful Ye. Gaidar, whistling and "sucking" the endings of words.
            Sorry, each person may have his own shortcomings, but he must also have achievements. This is especially true of public people who do not have the right to grovel for the sake of someone, neglecting their own (correct !!! time-tested) point of view.
            I like the work of the deputy of the State Duma from the Communist Party Glazkova Anzhelika Yegorovna.
            1. +4
              3 July 2022 07: 34
              Quote: ROSS 42
              I like the work of the deputy of the State Duma from the Communist Party Glazkova Anzhelika Yegorovna.

              I also like Platoshkin .. but you must admit, I don’t like it .. now it’s not so relevant, we don’t decide which of them is worthy of becoming president. The main thing is that they are people of leftist views and essentially criticize mediocre actions. hi
              1. +1
                3 July 2022 09: 02
                Quote: Svarog
                The main thing is that they are people of leftist views and essentially criticize mediocre actions.

                As for Glazkova, she showed in practice how a deputy of the State Duma should work.
                As for Platoshkin, his idea of ​​a renewed socialism is much more attractive than the idea of ​​a speculative market economy.
                hi
      2. ada
        +6
        3 July 2022 00: 27
        Quote: Svarog
        ... I believe that Putin should at least focus on responsibility for the result .. in other words, he didn’t complete it, he failed the task .. be kind, at least ...

        Sorry, I could not resist, somehow there was a case:
        The commander at the meeting pronounces the regiment’s ZKT (the rear men screwed up): “You know, there was such a magic phrase in the Second World War“ Tomorrow - Into the chain! them into battle formations (a chain is a deployed formation of shooters for an attack) during the upcoming offensive, "Since you are no longer needed!" And then the "sent" understood that if they survived the attack tomorrow and they were not beaten or shot down by their own (hungry, unwashed, undressed and unshod), then everything must be done to prevent such a shame from happening again and no one else will give them a chance to survive. It’s a pity that we are not at war.
        Here, and we have almost ..., albeit CBO.
  9. Eug
    +6
    2 July 2022 17: 13
    As long as these politicians - "instruments" are backed by real "masters" of the world - they are certainly a force, though weakening, but so far very, very systemic. And you should not have any illusions - if the "owners" are disappointed in the current "tools" or see new ones coming to replace them - they will do everything possible to take them under control, that is, they will not allow anyone to be REALLY independent of themselves ... we need a real alternative socio-political development, constantly proving its advantages over those accepted in this world, and "working" for many years. So far, Russia cannot offer one.
  10. +3
    2 July 2022 17: 20
    Another captain Evidence? One might think that someone harbors illusions about the seriousness of our enemy.
  11. +1
    2 July 2022 17: 20
    But so with the political leaders of the United States, if guided by the same logic, not everything is in order. The same Biden can hardly be considered as a person dictating conditions to Europe.


    It cannot be assumed that Biden rules the "world", he has enough advisers who help him "drive the EU" into a framework beneficial to the United States. What is the value of the US-created "Mineral Security Partnership (MSP)". If you carefully read this "partnership", it turns out that the EU will buy minerals only from the USA, Australia and Canada, there are very few of their own. Can this be called independence? Only "dependent" leaders of states can agree to such conditions. The most interesting thing is that other states can join this "partnership" if they support the current policy, it is clear which country, and accept all the liberal values ​​​​of the West.
    1. +1
      2 July 2022 20: 01
      Quote: 27091965i
      It cannot be assumed that Biden rules "the world

      Biden manages himself with difficulty, what kind of WORLD is there. Do not make me laugh. But who pulls his strings and writes his actions and speeches is a question.
      1. 0
        2 July 2022 20: 24
        Quote: Mitroha
        Biden manages himself with difficulty, what kind of WORLD is there. Do not make me laugh. But who pulls his strings and writes his actions and speeches is a question.

        The one who pursues his goals, which are necessary only to him or a group of people, writes. It is enough to put the necessary text into Biden's hands, and then the media will explain everything to everyone.
  12. +1
    2 July 2022 17: 25
    The European Union will not fall apart even if Ukraine is admitted to it

    Of course it won't fall apart. However, gay Europeans need to open their wallets wider, and many citizens will not like this at all. There, besides Ukraine, there is where to invest money ...
    1. +3
      2 July 2022 18: 00
      Quote: Luminman
      However, gay Europeans need to open their wallets wider, and many citizens will not like this at all.

      The citizens of Europe do not like this, but this does not mean that they will hold meetings or go to the barricades. Gasoline prices have doubled, food prices have doubled, and for many they have been raised three times, I am silent about heating, and it has been like this for 4 months, but there is not a single speech, not a demonstration. Prices will rise two more times, and they will be silent.
      1. +2
        2 July 2022 19: 04
        They were made that way. Smooth majority without pits and tubercles.

        In general, a little detached, the Euro-society is accustomed to delegating many things to the state. In this sense, they are socialists worse than us, the remains of social culture. It is not worth betting on an uprising, now anti-Russia is buzzing on television sets in Europe and North America.
      2. -1
        2 July 2022 19: 17
        Quote: tihonmarine
        this does not mean that they will rally or go to the barricades

        It is possible that there will be no rallies, however, there is such a thing as elections. And politicians should always remember this...
        1. -1
          3 July 2022 13: 34
          Somewhere GDP laughed
        2. -1
          4 July 2022 10: 03
          Quote: Luminman
          There is such a thing as elections. And politicians should always remember this...

          Elections are a squabble in a dog kennel, but in the end, regardless of the voters, "whoever is required will be elected."
  13. -7
    2 July 2022 17: 26
    Well, at least someone began to suspect that Europe and the USA are strong and this is in the 5th month of the war, but judging by the comments, the people are still psychologically unprepared to realize that the Russian Federation has got into a losing competition against the entire developed world. Let's wait some more.
    And in general, it would never have occurred to me to fight five boxers at the same time, it's just stupid
    1. -6
      2 July 2022 17: 47
      The US is strong, but Europe is not. Europe will die in any case, since it has already been broken through several times.
    2. +1
      2 July 2022 18: 02
      Let's wait some more.
      Benefits are still paid in Slovakia tongue ? Then you can.
      1. -5
        2 July 2022 20: 17
        Do they still pay benefits in Slovakia? Then you can.

        I work and fully provide for myself and my family. What is the problem?
        1. -1
          2 July 2022 20: 31
          I work and fully provide
          Something is not heard about the breakthroughs of the Slovak astronautics laughing How did the Slovak self-learn right after crossing the border?
          What's the problem?
          In your manipulation of the truth.
          1. -3
            2 July 2022 23: 44
            Something is not heard about the breakthroughs of the Slovak astronautics 

            Let's just say Britain is not a space power either. In general, I know many countries that do not have their own space programs, but this does not make them flawed and does not affect the economy, standard of living and culture
            How did the Slovak self-learn right after crossing the border?

            And what's the fun? People spend years to master the language perfectly. Do you want me to study the yoke in 4 months?
            I will upset you: I have already mastered the construction, a lot of words coincide with Russian or Ukrainian, there are foreign words that are the same in many languages. So without difficulty I begin to build a sentence structure according to the Slovak language, and if my vocabulary is not enough, I speak stupidly in Russian and look at the reaction, if there is no understanding, I repeat the word in Ukrainian, often these two techniques are enough, if not, then charisma, facial expressions and help gestures. Worst case, google translate.
            Just do not see the problem that in a conversation with the Slovak, we do not understand each other.
            But I don’t feel like writing fiction stories yet, so I don’t hide it.
            In your manipulation of the truth.

            See how interesting it is, it's not me, it's you who said that I'm still telling the truth, I hope that it doesn't hurt your eyes?))) but manipulation, this is such a thing, rather, the angle from which the multifaceted truth is considered.
            1. 0
              3 July 2022 18: 20
              I'm still telling the truth
              Not all of them, and not always. As a sharpie, he also has a couple of non-marked cards in his deck, which does not make him an honest player.
              Let's just say Britain is not a space power either.
              Compared to Slovakia, a stellar empire. But I mean that your specialty in Slovakia is not particularly in demand.
              I'll upset you
              I’ll rather “cheer you up” - when you passed the first session, I lived abroad, and by the time I wrote my diploma, I received a second passport. I am a seasoned immigrant Yes , and fairy tales about how I got a job without a language, samsesam, etc., do not work for me. It is worth noting that Slovakia is not England and Norway, and the locals happily flee from there. Something like this.
  14. +3
    2 July 2022 17: 41
    Quote: Kayala
    Processors they have who? Taiwan with China? So China is not them, and Taiwan apparently does not have long left, China will definitely not let it go. And what will they be made of, if the main supplier of gas for processors is Russia and now almost the former Ukraine?

    Just a couple of days ago it was reported that the Japanese and Koreans are starting to create their own production of highly pure gases for creating microcircuits. And they will succeed. "But we have oil and we will buy everything," right?
    1. -2
      2 July 2022 17: 48
      Well, as they say, go ahead and with the song.
  15. 0
    2 July 2022 17: 46
    At the expense of underestimation, this is certainly true, but it should not be overestimated, the European Union is certainly powerful, but judging by the events of the last four months, they underestimated us, it was not we who fenced ourselves off from them with our gas and oil, it was they who imposed sanctions on us and now they are clearing up the fall in the shares of the main players from 25 to 60%!
  16. -2
    2 July 2022 17: 49
    Underestimating modern Europe could cost Russia dearly
    . The controversial question is who underestimates whom and how!
  17. 0
    2 July 2022 17: 53
    The European Union will not fall apart even if Ukraine is admitted to it. Definitely won't fall apart

    These are not words from the anthem of the European Union? After this article, I really want to sing it, hand on heart, or ... much lower winked
  18. -2
    2 July 2022 18: 01
    Bloomberg said that if the European Union tries to limit the purchase prices for oil from Russia, then the price per barrel could jump to $190 or even $380. Russia should not sell above what it will determine? Why not send them by the known route? Let them buy where they will be sold. Some kind of complete nonsense in the minds of these European leaders. Either they smoke something or completely snow hit the head .... in a market economy to determine the price limit ... I have never heard of such a thing.
  19. -2
    2 July 2022 18: 08
    political scientists, subjectively, are the same urks as "globs", only they called their fraudulent "science" and even teach it, the most incapable population, in the sense of physical and serious mental labor. Well, specifically, this Shishkin, to whom does this tell? to the layman, of course, but with a selfish motive. Any sane historian will tell much more and better than Shishkin "why Europe should not be underestimated", and how many examples will he give!
  20. +1
    2 July 2022 18: 33
    Over the past 70 years, our domestic politicians have chipped off so many unforgettable "numbers" and such a grandiose scale that underestimating Europe after all the heaped up - - will be the last "number". .

    So to say, we are missing only the final chord... Something tells me, everything is going to that. For our elite is truly unique, there is no such even in Africa.
  21. -2
    2 July 2022 18: 33
    Who throws hats at whom? Dear Shishkin, you have not confused anything
  22. -1
    2 July 2022 18: 34
    Quote from U_GOREC
    Quote: Clever man
    In any case, we have oil, gas, timber, fertilizer, grain and calibers, but what do they have? Technology and modern production is useless without energy. Winter will show

    Well, then, oil, gas, timber, grain, fertilizers... not only we have. But, for example, they only have processors. Yes, and a lot more ... So much was said about import substitution ... And where is it? Has anyone been held accountable? Oh yes, why? We have gas, timber, oil and the list goes on...

    Strictly speaking, they do not have processors, but in China. More precisely, in Taiwan. And, judging by what China is doing there, annexing its island, no one will have processors. If you are given a choice - a processor (phone, computer, ...) or a loaf of bread, then you will choose bread. Tell us what to do first when solving an equation with three unknowns? What to stop at the beginning, leaving the other more or less alive, experiencing an acute shortage of energy? The most energy intensive is transport. Stop it, the industry will stop. Stop the industry - where to get the loot to pay for the vital functions of the body? The unemployed will not be given much, and where will the budget come from if revenues dry up?
  23. -1
    2 July 2022 18: 35
    Therefore, you should not engage in hatred against the West ...
    Against us is a strong, large, financially resourced enemy.

    No one harbors illusions, moreover, for a long time, inappropriate moralizing panicosis.
    As for financial resources, there is a small nuance here. It is in peacetime that they are more than significant, but in wartime material resources are important, and with this the collective West has some problem, unlike us.
    Somehow they are used to measuring everything with cut paper, and this is wrong, if there is not enough oil, steel, coal, gas on the market, then their price skyrockets and all these financial resources can be thrown into the pricing furnace, but there will be no more of them.
  24. 0
    2 July 2022 19: 50
    The leader of whatever. Although a crochet mug. This is a representative of the circle. Some interests.
    You can make fun of Biden or Johnson as much as you like, but this will not reduce their influence. Something else should strain ... If such "actors" are palmed off on you, maybe it's you? Maybe you didn't see the sick there?
    Johnson if anything 73
    1. ada
      +1
      3 July 2022 01: 16
      Quote: kytx
      Johnson if anything 73

      This one, right?:
      Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson, better known as Boris Johnson, was a British statesman and politician. British Prime Minister since 24 July 2019. Leader of the Conservative Party since July 23, 2019. Mayor of London and British Foreign Secretary in Theresa May's first and second cabinets. Wikipedia
      Date and place of birth: June 19, 1964 (age 58), Upper East Side, New York, USA
      1. 0
        3 July 2022 04: 20
        I made a mistake. Biden is like 73. :)
        1. +2
          3 July 2022 04: 49
          Biden is 79.
  25. +3
    2 July 2022 19: 54
    If you look at the "power" of the leader from the position of fanatics of authoritarianism, what kind of leader is "strong"? Who has a large white beard to the navel and decades of experience in power?-)
    In a DEVELOPING country, you can become a "strong leader" on the easy way, you just need to make a powerful qualitative breakthrough in a couple of electoral terms, which will be visible not only by numbers, but also with your own eyes. Roughly speaking, 10-12 years and "from the slums to the skyscrapers."
    In a DEVELOPED country you will not get such a result NEVER! Because in a developed country there are other criteria for the requirements for a leader - it should not be, first of all, a "celik with steel balls", but a person capable of assembling a team of professionals who maintain the existing level of well-being of a developed country, providing some kind of increase in it, or at the most extreme case providing controlled temporary subsidence of such, if the years are "not bread".

    The Western leader does not have to be "Leonardo Da Vinci" because most of the time this will not be required of him. Developed countries are characterized by a high standard of living and established economic models. All this rests on a combination of bureaucracy at all levels, connected by vertical selection and well-established legal mechanisms.
    Any copper-headed authoritarian leader launched into such a cage will instantly unbalance his relatively leveled competence, the apparatus will begin to flatten and sausage, with outwardly gushing potency. We have seen this repeatedly under Trump, for example. This is what we saw under Boris Johnson or Theresa May.
    Thinking by our own criteria of a "strong leader" as a principled and charismatic public figure with an authoritarian tinge - I mean as a person who does not hesitate to hit the table with his fist, does not choose expression and prefers a two-tone picture of the world - here, in fact, they are. Managed successfully?

    My point is that extrapolating our defective authoritarian perceptions to the Western political model is the height of stupidity. What is good for a Russian is death for a German. But in this case, it is not good for the Russian either, and even more so for the West. From such people.
    The European leader of the 21st century will NOT look like some of our image, because they have already built a successful model (and are already building some kind of game), and we, with all our super-awesome ideas about how everything should be arranged - again we are sitting in a bearish corner, either expecting a nuclear war, or enjoying inflation of tens of percent, or endlessly reorienting raw material flows and sincerely believing that all these manipulations will lead us to a better future.

    This is absurd, gentlemen.
    1. ada
      +1
      3 July 2022 03: 40
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      This is absurd, gentlemen.

      This is the theater of the absurd.
      Digression.
      As in any theater, there is a director, director, actors, box office and its own involved spectator, but there is also a founder and an interested investor, a biased critic, etc. So tell me which of them is able to realize their ambitions in the arrangement of life, at your own discretion and to your full satisfaction, with another play with mass folly and suicide, but after filling the box office?
      And, after all, there are those who have not yet arrived at the premiere, for their own reasons, with a rude (and not very) denial of such art. And the box office should give receipts. The feast and pleasures of the arbiters of destinies require to continue the attack on the minds of the masses, dragging more and more into a dangerous whirlpool.
      Leaders
      Leaders will be, as in all times. And they will be exactly the same as at all times - unpredictably different, appearing both by chance and diligent care, both not stopping at nothing in their aspirations, and not daring to take a step in their confusion, bringing death to people and sowing hopes. before her. All life and decay.

      Essentially.
      Europe is like Europe, but the dynamics of processes must be monitored. According to rumors from the coast of Spain, the 95th, which has recently grown to a cost of 2 "Jews", is expected in speed up to 3 or more, the discount at Auchan gas stations has disappeared after the elections in France, plus food products are creeping unevenly in price, with work not very well, the infrastructure is functioning, politics is of little interest to anyone, until recently they finally didn’t take a steam bath - the tourist season is in full swing, now they are starting to suspect something.
      I don’t know where to get the processors, but I think it’s time to start doing everything simultaneously with the distribution of forces in all directions, of course you won’t get away from priorities, but you can’t narrow the range of tasks, you’ll have to beat your own, you need to prepare for war, and try not to transfer the NWO into war and pull it all, we need time to get together and we need to put pressure on the main one - his appearance on the stage, you can’t do everything in the dark, you need to talk with the population, direct and strain.
      All sleep.
    2. +1
      3 July 2022 16: 05
      Absolutely right. We are more an example of anachronisms than something unique.
  26. +4
    2 July 2022 20: 31
    We do not bypass the new project of approach to the West, it should be for us like a foreign world afterwards. He insolently declares the destruction of Russia. Well, since approaches to us have not changed for centuries, we need to work on ourselves.
  27. 0
    2 July 2022 21: 38
    Europe is a serious enemy, no worse than the United States, but Europe also understands that it is better to be friends with Russia (Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Great Britain), the rest of the pseudo-Eurocountry's hangers-on do not count.
  28. 0
    3 July 2022 01: 29
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSPZlCo2B0E&t=1246s
    Brilliant speech.
    I want this president back.
    There are oceans between Russia and America, between Russia and Germany there is a great story.
  29. 0
    3 July 2022 06: 23
    You, that is, the Russian Federation for your citizens, make the same level of quality of life as in the EU
  30. +2
    3 July 2022 08: 46
    Therefore, you should not engage in hatred against the West, you should not separate Europe from the United States. This is a single Western empire, which is openly hostile to our country. Underestimating the enemy all the time was too costly. So today, underestimating Europe with its gray bureaucrats can cost dearly.

    All right. But there is one small correction. Europe is still fundamentally different from the US in that it is much more vulnerable (than the US) in the event of a nuclear war. Theoretically, the Americans retain some chance of surviving a nuclear apocalypse due to their remoteness from the main theater of operations. Europeans do not have such a chance at all. The high concentration of European infrastructure in relatively small areas with the short flight time of Russian missiles leaves little hope of survival.

    Therefore, Europeans are much more interested than Americans in preventing a nuclear war. And the Americans, on the contrary, openly and cynically draw Europe into this war. There is a conflict of interest between the US and Europe. It is this conflict that Russia must use to keep the Eurasian continent from catastrophe. And the chance for such a development of events is quite real. In any case, certain signs of uncertainty and doubt in the actions of most European leaders are quite obvious.
  31. +1
    3 July 2022 09: 46
    Borrell un ser independiente? Ese ser no ha sido independiente desde el día que nació, independientes Soros y los Rotchilds.
  32. -1
    3 July 2022 11: 08
    Late. It's already gone.
  33. 0
    3 July 2022 12: 02
    Sous estimer n'est pas la question,
    suretimer, par counter...
    On parle de corruption en Russie, des mensonges, et ici, Il n'y a rien???
  34. 0
    3 July 2022 14: 29
    Europe - tse Ukraine! What the idea leads to "to spite my mother's ears will get frostbite" is known in the country-U. The EU is now following the same path, replacing the comfortable life of citizens with the heresy of the "struggle for American democracy", which does not warm and does not feed.
    1. +1
      3 July 2022 18: 35
      Well, you're really generalizing. Just the same, they know whose democracy they are fighting for and who benefits from it. Think critically - their internal interaction (the US and Europe), it has much more fruitful results than Europe with Russia. We are simply not considered as equals by the rank of relationships. And therefore we are only a source of raw materials, a market for consumption and ultra-low productivity, a source of ignorance and a nuclear threat. Under our totalitarian regime, we are also an anachronism.
      1. -1
        4 July 2022 18: 01
        But Russia and the USA have deeper ties. "Good and Evil Cops", if for today. "Kolkhoz named after the West" believes "good" - his problem.
  35. 0
    3 July 2022 15: 57
    The author of the article is absolutely right in his arguments. The Russian propaganda system convinces Russian society of the opposite, so that we would believe that we are strong, and we believe. But at the same time, this propaganda itself begins to believe in its own convictions. This should not be allowed. We saw the result of such temptations in March. Puncture with SVO. We convinced ourselves that our army is omnipotent, but it turned out to be almost "in a coma." Europe is now pretending to be in a state of shock, but at the same time it continues to pump weapons into Ukraine and is hard at work on options for economic measures to support itself. Yes, they did not expect such trends for themselves and Russia in the global economy, but they are far from a fiasco, however, like the United States. If we put ourselves to sleep again, with our own propaganda, then the people of grief will sip. It's the people. There will be life as in the post-war period, the children will be on their own, the people will be like a horse - plow, plow and plow. The power to justify.
  36. -1
    3 July 2022 16: 31
    Quote: Svarog
    I also like Platoshkin .. but you must admit, I don’t like it .. now it’s not so relevant, we don’t decide which of them is worthy of becoming president. The main thing is that they are people of leftist views and essentially criticize mediocre actions.

    The authoritarian system has become obsolete, but those who personify it cannot put up with it. Previously (in the USSR), we were a little behind in technology, differed in ideology, and were equal in rights and freedoms. Now we are leaders in the export of raw materials... Otherwise, we are inexorably lagging behind. The reason is simple as the world. "Those who personify it" do not want to change the system because they are afraid of losing power. Stupid people - old people, youth - are comfortable and manageable. But this is a dead end, inevitably.
  37. 0
    3 July 2022 18: 16
    Quote from U_GOREC
    . But there is nowhere to get processors, AT ALL!

    So often in life we ​​are faced with the need to purchase processors?
    Maybe you need to be more careful?
    Change a mobile phone no more than once every 4 years, a computer as well, a passenger car every 6 years. And there will be no such need for processors.
  38. 0
    3 July 2022 18: 25
    Quote from cytadell
    Now we are leaders in the export of raw materials ...

    Every country in the world exports raw materials.
    The technologically advanced USA exports both gas and oil, Canada exports oil, and why should we be ashamed of this?
    1. 0
      3 July 2022 20: 22
      Focus on exports? Or in development? For some, export is a panacea, while for others it is a supplement. For some, the main thing is technological progress and development, while for others, gratuitous loot and stupid squandering. I want to be wrong, but so far all signs are that we are still following the old course.
    2. -1
      3 July 2022 20: 33
      I would like to wake up one day in a country that has mastered high technology, my children have learned and become engineers and inventors and have reached a level an order of magnitude higher than mine, to hear in the media that the salary level in Russia has become higher than in Europe and life expectancy is breaking German records that our neighbors respect us, and our country is an example of democracy and justice. But so far, the media is full of fraud, no one is taking care of young people (they are now all without exception in games and social networks), various smart people slyly think that we don’t really need high technologies and this is empty. Although we live in the richest country on the planet, what's the point ...
      1. +1
        4 July 2022 01: 34
        salary level in Russia has become higher than the European one
        It is appropriate to note that recently the average Briton can buy less gasoline for his average salary than the average Russian for his own. This has not happened since the collapse of the USSR.
    3. 0
      4 July 2022 08: 23
      Quote: Architect
      the technologically advanced US exports both gas and oil


      based on what technologies do they get? - the time when oil flowed by gravity from the earth has passed ...
      and we are also tied here to technologies and equipment from them ..
  39. 0
    4 July 2022 08: 21
    The article is correct, in everything: back in the days of the USSR, it was noted that whoever they put "at the helm" in their country, they decide and put these decisions "into deeds" - clerks who know what to do and how
    therefore, we have problems - only "ahead", we are waiting for autumn and winter: then we will see what "our" officials are good for
  40. 0
    4 July 2022 15: 20
    It is not Mr. Biden who dictates to Europe, but those who really control the US economy and politics are hereditary senators and owners of very large businesses ..
    Nurtured on HOLLYWOOD films, the political elite of Europe definitely has its own stereotype and according to it they UNDERSTAND RUSSIA.
  41. -1
    4 July 2022 16: 15
    Quote: ism_ek
    Go behind any of our defense factories. 99% of machines are made in Europe or USA.

    Excellent starting position.
  42. -1
    4 July 2022 16: 24
    Quote: ivan2022
    For our elite is truly unique,

    The big question is, is it ours?
  43. 0
    5 July 2022 08: 44
    Europe is as much an empire of lies as the United States, and this eccentric clearly overestimates it. There is no truth behind them, they are strong only in words.
  44. 0
    15 July 2022 16: 04
    I would at least think about this article, because there is a lot of truth in it. Not everyone in the "west" is your enemy!! am
  45. 0
    18 July 2022 13: 58
    I would call it like this:
    Underestimating Russia can cost Europe dearly! am
  46. 0
    19 August 2022 12: 32
    He thinks a lot about himself, since we are not in the bazaar and do not evaluate anyone, but we speak honestly and openly - Europe has forgotten the lesson of history and therefore will get hit in the teeth so that we will break the jaw completely and they will not be able to restore it.