BDK "Saratov" raised from the bottom of the sea in Berdyansk

_{Photo of the ship before the incident}

According to Vladimir Rogov, a representative of the military-civilian administration of the Zaporozhye region, on his Telegram channel, the landing ship Saratov was raised from the bottom of the Sea of ​​Azov yesterday.

The operation to lift the landing ship was carried out in the port of the city of Berdyansk, which is located in the south of the Zaporozhye region near the coast of the Sea of ​​Azov.

"Saratov" was heavily damaged on March 24 during the shelling of the Berdyansk port by the Ukrainian military. The blow was delivered by missiles of the Tochka-U complex.

As Rogov explains, the crew decided to flood the ship after a fire started on it. Otherwise, this could lead to the detonation of the ammunition on board.

Recall that Berdyansk and other settlements of the Zaporozhye region, located along the Sea of ​​Azov, were liberated by Russian troops in March this year.

"Saratov" was the first landing ship of its series, built back in 1964 in Kaliningrad. For my long history the ship had to visit many parts of the world. Saratov took part in the events in Georgia in 2008, and during the reunification of Crimea in 2014. With the start of the special operation in Ukraine, the ship was also involved in it.

Comments

[pharmacist]

So that's great! Will serve more. Nikolaev and Odessa ahead.

[alexmach]

It is very, very unlikely that it will work. And what is great in this whole story is that the port water area was liberated, and nothing more. And the Black Sea Fleet showed itself in this whole story simply incapable of combat.

[Dmitry Donskoy]

There was information that they would cut it into scrap metal. But you correctly noticed about the Black Sea Fleet, only losses. I think that they will draw conclusions.

[Alexander Salenko]

Which? If about Moscow, then this is a NATO special operation, there is no need to drive our fleet, it is the workhorse of the war and regularly dangles back and forth, live for a week in Sevastopol, take a vacation there, you will see everything for yourself.

[Common sense]

Quote: Alexander Salenko

Which? If about Moscow, then this is a NATO special operation, there is no need to drive our fleet, it is the workhorse of the war and regularly dangles back and forth, live for a week in Sevastopol, take a vacation there, you will see everything for yourself.

Those. in principle, do you agree that our fleet is not combat-ready against NATO?
If the Black Sea Fleet loses ships in a land war, then what will happen to it in the event of a naval war? Will he win all the adversaries?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Common sense

Those. in principle, do you agree that our fleet is not combat-ready against NATO?

If we soberly and honestly, without jingoistic patriotism, compare the forces of our fleet and the fleet of not even NATO, but only the American one, then it is clear to a baby that these forces are far from equal. Not even comparable to Chinese. True, Vitalik-gansales will not agree with this

[Alexander Salenko]

The Black Sea Fleet will not cope with the NATO fleet, and what do you expect from an indoor pool? You do not understand that the problem of Russia is the isolation of the fleets? Not a single fleet is able to come to the aid of another, and is this, stupidly, geography?

[Common sense]

And what function does the Black Sea Fleet perform in this case? Exclusively transport as in the Syrian company? After all, Caliber can be fired from the shore no worse than from ships.

[Alexander Salenko]

Well, for example, he is able to fight off Turkish. And the Turks consider Crimea theirs and our Tatars are called Crimean Turks.

[koramax81]

During the sinking of "Moskva", about 12 blows were applied to it at the same time. And only 1-2 missiles (presumably "Harpoon") missed. At the same time, the ship was actively interfered with and highlighted. Roughly speaking, the hunt went something like Bismarck at one time

[Common sense]

Quote: koramax81

During the sinking of the Moscow, about 12 hits were simultaneously applied to it. And only 1-2 missiles (presumably "Harpoon") missed.

Why only 12 and not 112?
Where does this data come from?
Our MO is silent.

[koramax81]

but it won't tell you (why, I don't know). Where infa - I will not say. Still don't believe

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: alexmach

And the Black Sea Fleet showed itself in this whole story simply incapable of combat.

Even in the USSR, the decoding of abbreviations went:
SF (Northern Fleet) - Most Fleet
TF (Pacific Fleet) - Also Fleet
BF (Baltic Fleet) - Former Fleet
CHF (Black Sea Fleet) - Chi Fleet, Chi ni Fleet
KF (Caspian Flotilla) - How would the Fleet
On the Murmansk-Moscow train, the naval officer shared his knowledge of naval humor.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: ROSS 42

CHF (Black Sea Fleet) - Chi Fleet, Chi ni Fleet

The Red Banner Black Sea Fleet under the USSR entered combat service in the Mediterranean Sea as part of 35 combat pennants! There was a separate squadron in the Indian Ocean .. And, you, just to blurt out your tongue ... The Black Sea Fleet in former times was the Middle East, the Red Sea, the blockade of Israel, the Black Sea was considered an inland sea. .In addition to the Turks and a piece of Greece, there were no opponents .. And these were not an enemy. And then they sawed everything, cut it, gave it to the Georgians, the Ukrainians, they themselves cut it into scrap metal .. In fact, they destroyed the fleet. Then, for 24 years, Ukrysvido did not allow the Black Sea Fleet to develop ... And it passed ... Eight years were allotted to recreate the fleet and ... they could not recreate. They built patrol, useless boats .. They lost the ship repair base in Sevastopol, they could not modernize -
repair the cruiser Moscow ... But in Sevastopol they plundered federal funds allocated for sewage treatment (sewerage), for the reconstruction of the city Art Museum, for the repair of the Historical Boulevard, (where is the Panorama. of the first defense of Sevastopol, the fourth bastion, where Count Leo Nikolayevich Tolstoy fought!. ) The fifth year Historical boulevard is in ruins, closed ... The money was stolen, the perpetrators were not found .. It would be better if these funds were used for the development of the Black Sea Fleet ... All through the ass.

[SIT]

Quote: 30 vis

Eight years were allotted to recreate the fleet and ... they could not recreate. They built patrol, useless boats .. They lost the ship repair base in Sevastopol, they could not modernize -
repair the cruiser Moscow ... But in Sevastopol they plundered federal funds allocated for sewage treatment (sewerage), for the reconstruction of the city Art Museum, for the repair of the Historical Boulevard, (where is the Panorama. of the first defense of Sevastopol, the fourth bastion, where Count Leo Nikolayevich Tolstoy fought!. ) For the fifth year, the Historical Boulevard is in ruins, closed ... The money was stolen, the perpetrators were not found .. It would be better if these funds were used for the development of the Black Sea Fleet ... All through the ass

Duc MO in this deriban does not lag behind a single step. The territories of military units were given over to dumps of soil from numerous construction projects of palaces and castles, obviously not for free. The estimate includes money for its disposal at landfills for burial and processing. This money can be safely cut down if you dump it all behind the barbed wire of a protected area of ​​the military unit. What they built for the Black Sea Fleet is a pure excuse - like modernization is underway. The fact that all these ships were not needed for hell became clear in April, when the flagship sank, which they could not cover. About the tug that was sent to Zmeiny without cover, this is generally beyond understanding. Although, in general, you don’t have to be Lord Nelson or F.F. Ushakov to understand that the task of the Black Sea Fleet in modern military confrontation is to land amphibious assault forces and provide them with massive fire support from the sea while simultaneously organizing an air defense umbrella over the landing force. Actually, this became clear back in the 1st World War, when the Black Sea Fleet, from hastily adapted Elpidifors, landed up to 20 infantry in 6000 minutes in the rear of the Turks on the Southern Front. The Second World War only confirmed this, but there is no time to deal with the fleet - you need to make money and stack offshore, and not play boats.

[Garris199]

The task of the Black Sea Fleet in modern military confrontation is the landing of amphibious assault forces and providing them with massive fire support from the sea while simultaneously organizing an air defense umbrella over the landing force.

So the Black Sea Fleet is not capable of this now. What kind of air defense umbrella can we talk about? Three frigates with a "calm" well, such an umbrella.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: 30 vis

And, to you, just to blurt out your tongue

[Alexander Salenko]

I fully support, although I myself heard this, the Soviet Black Sea Fleet had only 64 diesel-electric submarines in its composition.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Alexander Salenko

I fully support, although I myself heard this, the Soviet Black Sea Fleet had only 64 diesel-electric submarines in its composition.

The Soviet Navy, like all the USSR Armed Forces, in pursuit of the amount of equipment, did not like to write off products of outdated projects.
As a result, the overall numbers looked impressive, but when it came to the details, surprising things were revealed. Like one and a half dozen diesel-electric submarines with ballistic missiles (launch range 1420 km, KVO - 2,8 km) built in the early 60s. Or a dozen diesel-electric submarines with surface-launched anti-ship missiles built in the mid-60s. And among combatant torpedo diesel-electric submarines, one could generally meet ships of the first post-war projects - the same "Swedish Komsomolets" pr. 613 built in the mid-50s. Artillery EM pr. 56 built in the mid-50s and artillery CR pr. 68-bis went near surface sailors.
And all this stuff served and was part of the active fleet. Although it had combat value ... about the same as the semi-armored frigate "General-Admiral" by the time of the Russian-Japanese.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: 30 vis

The Red Banner Black Sea Fleet under the USSR entered combat service in the Mediterranean Sea as part of 35 combat pennants! There was a separate squadron in the Indian Ocean ..

All this grace was only in peacetime. In the event of any aggravation of relations, the Black Sea Fleet, like the Baltic Fleet, turned into an inland sea fleet, entering combat service through a strait controlled by a member state of a hostile bloc.
And, EMNIP, the ships of the Pacific Fleet were the core of 8 opesk.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Alexey RA

All this grace was only in peacetime. In the event of any aggravation of relations between the Black Sea Fleet, like the Baltic Fleet, turned into an inland sea fleet,

That's it!

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Alexey RA

to combat service through a strait controlled by a member state of a hostile bloc.

The Black Sea Fleet included several landing ships in the air. The Soviet fleet included 20 small landing hovercraft of Project 12321 Jeyran and Project 12322 Zubr (8 MDKVP). Of these, eight were part of the KChF. It was these ships that were supposed to take control of the Black Sea straits, and do not forget that our allies at that time were the Bulgaria Navy, the Romanian Navy. In the event of a war, and not NWO, TU-
22-blackfires, there were several regiments in the Crimea, a missile attack, an amphibious assault. There were always at least twenty warships in the Mediterranean Sea and in that place under. boats and nuclear submarines ... . The USSR was an invincible country. Once again I emphasize invincible. By yourself, by yourself..

After the collapse of the USSR, several of these ships were transferred to Ukraine, while most of them remained in the Russian Navy. Today, only two ships remain in the fleet (and one of them is not underway). Everything else went to waste.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: 30 vis

The Black Sea Fleet included several landing ships in the air. The Soviet fleet included 20 small landing hovercraft of Project 12321 Jeyran and Project 12322 Zubr (8 MDKVP). Of these, eight were part of the KChF. It was these ships that were supposed to take control of the Black Sea straits, and do not forget that our allies at that time were the Bulgaria Navy, the Romanian Navy. In the event of a war, and not NWO, TU-
22-blackfires, there were several regiments in the Crimea, a missile attack, an amphibious assault. There were always at least twenty warships in the Mediterranean Sea, and in that place under. boats and nuclear submarines ...

In the event of a war, not SVO would have risen into the air ICBMs and SLBMs. And that would be the end of it all at once. Because Turkey is a member of NATO, and DESO in the Straits is the 5th article in all fields.
Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher would not have trembled. With what words the cowboy Reagan checked the operation of the microphone - everyone who lived then remembers.

Quote: 30 vis

TU-
22 - blackfire, there were several regiments in the Crimea

Two regiments of the 2nd Guards. mrad - 5th Guards. and 943rd Mrap. Its third air regiment - the 124th Mrap - flew the Tu-16 until it was disbanded.

Quote: 30 vis

There were always at least twenty warships in the Mediterranean Sea, and in that place under. boats and nuclear submarines ..

Uh-huh ... in the "inland sea of ​​NATO", close to Spain, France, Italy, Greece and Turkey. The modern version of the Maltese convoy, and without bases and safe areas. The only chance to inflict at least some damage before death is to have time to strike first.

[Alien From]

Many simply do not know geography

[tralflot1832]

I take my words back, that's what it means not to have information.

[Akuzenka]

But in Sevastopol they plundered federal funds allocated for sewage treatment (sewerage), for the reconstruction of the city Art Museum, for the repair of the Historical Boulevard, (where is the Panorama. The first defense of Sevastopol, the fourth bastion, where Count Leo Nikolayevich Tolstoy fought!.) devastation, closed ... The money was stolen, the perpetrators were not found .. It would be better if these funds were used for the development of the Black Sea Fleet ... All through the ass.

Everything will not be different. Clearly in capitalist terms, budget money is not the money of the country, it is the money of officials. Further, they will cash out the victory in the CBO (if they sell it earlier), do not hesitate. But the number of dollar millionaires in the country will grow. Why not development? There will be more palaces and estates, yachts and swimming pools, coasts in private ownership. For this blood is shed. "People die for metal." Fresh, really.

[Piramidon]

Quote: ROSS 42

SF (Northern Fleet) - Most Fleet

At KSF, we deciphered it a little differently. SF - Modern fleet.

[musorg]

In what way do you see the incapacity of the Fleet, explain, if there are arguments?

[alexmach]

Inability to perform combat missions.

This is most clearly manifested in the northwestern Black Sea to establish control over which the fleet is not capable. I lost 2 pennants there, and I had to leave the same Serpentine one, destroying on it the air defense systems previously heroically delivered there.

Well, in the situation with the BDK, this is just a failure of the operation to deliver cargo to a fully controlled port.

[78bor1973]

You seem to know everything about it? And how everything had to be destroyed and how to leave and how to establish control over the coast where half of the coast is the territory of a NATO country from which shelling is being carried out and aircraft are flying. In short, the conclusion has already been made label pasted.

[alexmach]

You seem to know everything about it?

They didn’t seem to drink at brotherhood, but oh well. I don't know everything. Everyone knows only special people in special structures, but there seems to be something about how they left messages.

But about how and over whom to establish control, so excuse me. Do you imagine any other possible conflict in the Black Sea without the participation of NATO countries? Without their coast nearby? Frankly, for the fleet, this conflict is taking place in the most favorable possible conditions. Not a single NATO country directly participates in it, and nevertheless the fleet demonstrates at sea .. what it demonstrates.

[Common sense]

Quote: 78bor1973

how to establish control over the coast where half of the coast is the territory of a NATO country from which shelling is carried out and aircraft fly

Is it different in war?
Looking forward to the red carpet, orchestra and flowers?
And if tomorrow you have to storm this very coast and land troops there? To whom will you complain?

[Grits]

Quote: alexmach

It is very, very unlikely that it will work.

I think he will still be able to carry boxes to Syria.

[Grits]

Quote: alexmach

And the Black Sea Fleet showed itself in this whole story simply incapable of combat.

The Black Sea Fleet showed all its shame and helplessness. As a plus, he can only put strikes with Caliber from his ships. But this does not require a lot of intelligence. You can do it right from the rocket loading pier.

[Alexander Salenko]

Uh-huh, but I come somehow, it seems at the beginning of May to Sevastopol, and I look at the floating workshop smelled in Azov, probably like that, take a walk, right? We have all the forces of the fleet in Crimea, including the 810th Marine Corps Brigade and the 126th Coastal Defense Brigade, you would be easier on the turns. I corrected the minus for you there on another message, because there are minus followers, here I don’t minus for previous thoughtful posts. No need to drive to the fleet, they would have seen what condition it was in.

[pharmacist]

They downvoted me and gonsalesa here - which one to restore, for scrap, will not serve. Polforum bile. Meanwhile, "Saratov" sent for repairs in Kerch.

[otstoy]

Listen less to illiterate mayors. The man blurted out stupidity, which is often in such a position.

[alexmach]

Well, let's see. If anything, let's rejoice together. As for me, it is very, very doubtful. In fact, he has already practically served his own, and here, in addition, such large-scale damage and flooding. Experts looking at the photo reported that it was not repairable.

[BastaKarapuzik And]

The Black Sea Fleet showed itself in this whole story simply incapable of combat.

Excuse me, but what fleet are you comparing with? Naturally from existing ones.
Do we have others who would fight as much?
Those who do not fight, have no losses, of course.
Lost for example a rescue tug. But why is the tug to blame?

[alexmach]

Excuse me, but what fleet are you comparing with? Naturally from existing ones.
Do we have others who would fight as much?

Thank God there isn't. It is not a fact that other fleets would show themselves much better.

Lost for example a rescue tug. But why is the tug to blame?

Tow? absolutely nothing.
But to those who lost it, I think there should be questions about this. Moreover, they should be about the loss of Moscow and the BDK.

[locks]

Quote: alexmach

It is very, very unlikely that it will work. And what is great in this whole story is that the port water area was liberated, and nothing more. And the Black Sea Fleet showed itself in this whole story simply incapable of combat.

and who then lets calibers? Black Sea Fleet

[alexmach]

and for this you definitely need a fleet?

[Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira]

So he was always a ballroom front ...

[valentine light]

From what sources is it "clear" that the Black Sea Fleet is not combat-ready?
He performs the tasks set, but the losses, so they did not encounter the Indians, as US NAVY usually prefers.
Even 40 years ago, the industry of the Ukrainian SSR was quite powerful, with the support of the RSFSR.

[alexmach]

He completes the assigned tasks

What are the tasks he performs? Did the same Saratov complete its task of unloading the cargo?

so they didn’t encounter the Indians

Just like with the Indians. Ukraine in naval terms is exactly what the Indians are.

[valentine light]

Well, look at the Black Sea, this is not the Pacific Ocean for you, everything is shot across, and anti-ship missiles have both their own and Swedish ones.
Do the Indians have a Harpoon? ..
I think there is, but it somewhat resembles a stick with a tip .... :)))
What tasks did the fleet perform?
1) the destruction of combat units of the armored boats of the coming out "mosquito fleet" and ships
2) missile attacks on important targets, which certainly saves time and expands the area of ​​missile use from different sides.
3) Cargo delivery
4) ensuring security and trawling from ukromin
the waters of the liberated ports.

This is not enough.

But progress does not stand still .... it is waiting for the renewal of our ships and their modernization.

[alexmach]

1) the destruction of combat units of the armored boats of the coming out "mosquito fleet" and ships

Indeed it was in February.

2) missile attacks on important targets, which certainly saves time and expands the area of ​​missile use from different sides.

Does this even require a fleet? It's just a shooting range.

3) Cargo delivery

Well, here we are discussing the result of the failure of such an operation. Note that nothing is known about the number of victims in this incident. At least one BDK captain was killed.

4) ensuring security and trawling from ukromin

And where was that?

the waters of the liberated ports.

And, yes, Mariupol was indeed cleared of mines.

But progress does not stand still .... it is waiting for the renewal of our ships and their modernization.

Unfortunately, both with one and with the other, everything is bad. The pace of renewal is very slow, and by and large there is nothing to modernize at the Black Sea Fleet.

[valentine light]

If nothing, then they will
new ships.

For example - the Black Sea Fleet received a new warship - "Sergey Kotov" .. "
And the Tasks are performed by the Black Sea Fleet, because in fact the latest technologies of the entire "hat Evropy" are now being used, and there is no opposition to the sorties of Somali pirates.

[alexmach]

For example - the Black Sea Fleet received a new warship - "Sergey Kotov" .. "

If it wasn't so sad...
new combat unarmed and defenseless and practically useless ...

in fact, the latest technologies of the entire "hat Europe" are now being used

What are these, for example? the same Neptune, which, as stated, Moscow was drowned, is actually the technology of the 80s. Approximately the same can be said about the Harpoons sold to Ukraine. And even for this, the fleet was not ready.

[valentine light]

Please read carefully, I didn’t say anything about the “neptup” (Soviet X 35).
There are strong suspicions that Ukraine could receive the RGM-84 "Harpoon" from Denmark.
At one time, US Representative Lloyd Austin thanked Denmark for this intention.


"Sergey Kotov" has already become part of the formation of ships of the Novorossiysk base and is already in service (As you understand, combat duty and without weapons do not happen to me), similar ships: "Vasily Bykov" was commissioned on 20.12.2019/27.11.2020/11.07.2019, "Pavel Derzhavin" - XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX, "Dmitry Rogachev" - XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX Two more ships coming soon
are completing
Xia.

Project 22160 - autonomy 60 days, 76 mm art system, air defense systems, electronic warfare, anti-ship missiles .... (information "Military Review" dated May 16, 2022

[alexmach]

Project 22160 - autonomy 60 days, 76 mm art system

Yes, a gun is a weapon.

SAM, electronic warfare, anti-ship missiles .... (information "Military Review" dated May 16, 2022

But this is already a set of fables.

[valentine light]

But Ukraine will never have new ships.
And for the Black Sea, the Navy fleet will be unequivocally updated, but high demands must be made on it carefully, because the enemy cannot be underestimated, and especially in the small and closed water area of ​​the Black Sea
..

[alexmach]

But Ukraine will never have new ships

Firstly, do you still want to be equal to the Papuans?
Secondly, if they have access to the sea, then they will definitely be. The first Ada is already under construction + a bunch of boats are still going to be handed over to them.

And for the Black Sea, the Navy fleet will be definitely updated

So far, there are already 2 corvettes in the plans. The first one already, the second in a couple of years. And even to these, certainly necessary, korovats, people also have questions.

[valentine light]

I do not have any questions.
The concept of the development of the Navy in our country differs from the aggressive American one, and as an oceanic "Big Fleet" it is more promising to develop the Red Banner Pacific Fleet and the "Northern".
Corvettes "sharpened" for air defense are promising for the Black Sea Fleet

Let me remind you that a "corvette" is a class of a ship with a medium displacement with a specialization in guard and security activities.

[alexmach]

I do not have any questions.

It's easy for you.

The concept of the development of the Navy is different for us ..

She's just failed, not different. First of all, quantitatively, but they say that qualitatively.

Corvettes "sharpened" for air defense

Actually, there were always questions about his air defense.

[valentine light]

Were with "arrows 10", "dagger" and phased antennas, but there is reason to believe that there will be no more "questions" .. :))

[Revolver]

Quote from Pharmacist

So that's great! Will serve more. Nikolaev and Odessa ahead.

It is unlikely. Well, except perhaps if steel is smelted from it for a new ship. If it burned, the hull structures led there, and the steel was annealed at I don’t understand what temperature regime, and when it was flooded, it must have hardened in places. in general, than to deal with all this, it is cheaper to build a new one.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Nagan

there, the hull structures led, and the steel was annealed at I don’t understand what temperature regime, but when flooded, it probably hardened in places.

Not to mention electrical wiring and, God forgive me, electronics.
Those familiar with the problems of drowned cars will not let you lie ...

[Motorist]

Quote: Vasyan1971

Not to mention electrical wiring and, God forgive me, electronics.

The water in the Sea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbAzov is not very salty, but all the same, the insulation resistance of the wiring (which did not burn out) will be very low - everything will be replaced. The interior trim is to be replaced. All mechanisms - for a complete overhaul, and something - for replacement. Navigational equipment - there too. A lot of work, but it can be done.

PS Amendment: I looked at the photo below - it makes no sense to engage in restoration.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Motorist

A lot of work, but it can be done.

Do you need to?

Quote: Motorist

Correction: I looked at the photo below - it makes no sense to engage in restoration.

Exactly.

[Alexander Salenko]

It's hard to disagree, but my question is rather: where? What dock should I put it in?

[Aist_M]

So restoring is much more expensive and more difficult than building or just buying a new one. On restoration, you can raise 4 yachts, 2 private planes and a couple of kilometers of the Crimean coast.
And you can't even throw a party on the new one. Practically you need to think!

[gansales]

Quote from Pharmacist

So that's great! Will serve more. Nikolaev and Odessa ahead.

There we will restore it at shipyards ..

[Mordvin 3]

Quote from gansales

There we will restore it at shipyards ..

Vital, stop brainwashing us. Let's restore it...

[gansales]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote from gansales

There we will restore it at shipyards ..

Vital, stop brainwashing us. Let's restore it...

Yes, I won’t powder your brains ... I’m just not accustomed to whining and EVERYTHING!
Not just because it was raised, so there is a chance of recovery ..
Or they could just undermine at the bottom and EVERYTHING!

[Mordvin 3]

Quote from gansales

It's not just that they raised it

And the fact that he littered the water area did not occur to you? He sank at the pier.

[gansales]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote from gansales

It's not just that they raised it

And the fact that he littered the water area did not occur to you? He sank at the pier.

No, it didn't come.
Well, okay, it happens hehe And you are straight and delighted with the minuses and complaints ..
Well, this BDK will not be handed over for scrap? To clean the fairway, they would just blow it up into small pieces and that's it!

[Mordvin 3]

Quote from gansales

complaints..

What other complaints? Crazy, right?

[gansales]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote from gansales

complaints..

What other complaints? Crazy, right?

Yes, just in case.. Don't be offended Victor

[Mordvin 3]

Quote from gansales

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote from gansales

complaints..

What other complaints? Crazy, right?

Yes, just in case.. Don't be offended Victor

Vital, you completely fell off the oak. What kind of Victor am I to you? How many I argue with you, but you can’t even remember my name. Vladimir i. Vovochka, Vovan, Valdemar, Vladimir Anatolyevich, in the end.

[gansales]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Vital, you completely fell off the oak. What kind of Victor am I to you? How many I argue with you, but you can’t even remember my name. Vladimir i. Vovochka, Vovan, Valdemar, Vladimir Anatolyevich, in the end.

Wrong Vladimir again! Well, sometimes I have such a thing .. Excuse me, here such a stream is angry at me ..

[Mordvin 3]

Quote from gansales

Excuse me, here such a flow is angry at me ..

yeah, he's not evil. Meehan, don't give yourself a headache. It's just that sometimes you write such that at least stand, even fall.

[Gvardeetz77]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote from gansales

complaints..

What other complaints? Crazy, right?

It was he who did not have time to rebuild from another resource, but everywhere you need to inherit

[Piramidon]

Quote from gansales

There we will restore at shipyards

As always, thoughtless slogans from Vitalik. What is the point of restoring a burned and sunken ship that is more than half a century old? Yes, he was already in the forefront of recycling.

[U_GOREC]

Quote from gansales

There we will restore it at shipyards ..

And we are upgrading! Let's make from BDK - UDC !! No - an aircraft carrier !!!

[Vasyan1971]

Quote from gansales

There we will restore it at shipyards ..

Unless, under your strict guidance as part of a super-team of your like-minded followers!

[Alexander Salenko]

You will not be denied a sense of humor.

[Leshak]

Quote from Pharmacist

So that's great! Will serve more. Nikolaev and Odessa ahead.

Odessa and Nikolaev will be taken without him. The BDK has served its purpose, unfortunately.

[U_GOREC]

Quote: Leshak

Odessa and Nikolaev will be taken without him. The BDK has served its purpose, unfortunately.

Why "Unfortunately? Half a century in the ranks - worthy. And he died in battle...

[otstoy]

Have you seen the photo of raised Saratov? There is a maximum of 2/3 of the ship left.

[kig]

Quote from Pharmacist

Nikolaev and Odessa ahead.

That is, do you think that the NWO will continue for a couple more years, and then Saratov will be able to participate? I mean, that's about how long it will take to restore it. You should be careful with forecasts

[stankow]

Unfortunately not to serve. Completely burned out. It was visible on the video.

[Sergey39]

Can't recover!

[TermNachTer]

It is unlikely. Ship of 1969 + damage from explosion and fire + stay in sea water. It's easier to build a new one.

[Alien From]

It is better to let them tell how they dried up Moscow. Victory reports in the liver already.

[gansales]

Quote: Alien From

It is better to let them tell how they dried up Moscow. Victory reports in the liver already.

Well, what to tell, this is a war and I think it couldn’t have done without Amers .. It’s difficult to prove, and it’s still dangerous .. This is already the third world war .. A good lesson for our military.

[Bshkaus]

After all, this is already the third world war .. A good lesson for our military

As long as they try to pass off "destruction" as "damage", we can say that the lesson has not been learned.
Dealing with bugs always implies a fix, but if the bug is not called in its own words with a list of exact criteria, it cannot be fixed either.
If I scratch the body paint with a wrench, this is also damage, but there is a huge difference between a scratch and a torn case, requiring different correction approaches.

[Grits]

Quote: Bshkaus

As long as they try to pass off "destruction" as "damage", we can say that the lesson has not been learned.

Our command is still embarrassed to admit that the Hoh-lys drowned our cruiser quickly and easily. Everyone is talking about some kind of fire, although any fool knows that it was destroyed by enemies.

[Sergey39]

If, take any more or less rare and rare or success-like case. Sheep ears stick out everywhere!

[ZAV69]

Quote: Alien From

It is better to let them tell how they dried up Moscow. Victory reports in the liver already.

Actually, no one boasted that Moscow was ruined. Ukrainians, Americans, Britons, Turks are silent. Ours are also silent. Only couch analysts fantasize about two missiles. What is it for ?

[rotfuks]

Do you want Pravda to write about it on the first page? All the info has been on social media for a long time. A French anti-ship missile was used. The Americans pointed from the satellite. In general, the NATO bloc worked. It is surprising that the Ukrainians do not have specialists in these missiles. It turns out that the French crew pointed and fired.

[Alexander Salenko]

It turns out, and these are only rumors, but very persistent, that someone cut down the air defense, and, alas, there are facts of betrayal in Crimea.

[poquello]

Quote: ZAV69

Quote: Alien From

It is better to let them tell how they dried up Moscow. Victory reports in the liver already.

Actually, no one boasted that Moscow was ruined. Ukrainians, Americans, Britons, Turks are silent. Ours are also silent. Only couch analysts fantasize about two missiles. What is it for ?

According to my modest thinking, the attack on "Moscow" was delivered from the waters of a NATO country, by NATO missiles, while jamming by NATO aircraft. And ours flooded it, because upon arrival at the port and the official analysis of the event, it became necessary to use a third of the nuclear arsenal in NATO countries. Well, this is so, fabrications.

[Bshkaus]

Actually, no one boasted that Moscow was ruined. Ukrainians, Americans, Britons, Turks are silent. Silent and our

Too delicate a topic, some obviously went too far and understand the consequences, others understand that if they make a presentation, they will have to organize a response. And here is such a common question for all parties: maybe what for this Moscow is out of harm's way, not to arrange a nuclear war now because of it ...

[Dikson]

"Moscow" is just the second "Kursk" .. No one will answer for anything ... Even if NATO is to blame, everything will be forgotten and hushed up .. Sorry that it turned out to rhyme .. I hope that those who died on the "Saratov" ( if there were any), finally acquired the status of "killed in the line of duty", and not "missing in action" .. Because the ship was burning very badly ..

[otstoy]

Golden words about "will answer." Osipov, in full dress, receives reports. Unsinkable.

[AdAstra]

"... or maybe fuck this Moscow out of harm's way, don't actually arrange a nuclear war because of it now ..."
Somehow it sounds very ambiguous, don't you think?

[TermNachTer]

"Moskva" is a long and complicated issue, starting with the fact that the ship has not undergone normal repairs since commissioning. We will not find out the reasons for his death soon, I think the Western partners "helped".

[Alien From]

Personally, my “yes” was helped by Westerners, but this is no excuse for naval commanders.

[TermNachTer]

There is such a thing as "force majeure". The commander of the Black Sea Fleet and his headquarters could not foresee all possible options. And I repeat - the state of the ship was deplorable, they wanted to write it off back in 2015. But Syria began

[Alien From]

Of course, we all know this.!) And then just guesses .....

[TermNachTer]

That's why I wouldn't jump to conclusions. There may be one or more reasons. We'll find out sometime.

[Normann]

It would be time for a well-deserved rest, but, in the absence of others, I will still have to serve.

[gansales]

Quote: Normann

It would be time for a well-deserved rest, but, in the absence of others, I will still have to serve.

Reliable and durable ships, both military and civilian, were built in the USSR
They did not save on the quality of ship metal

[Paladin]

They did not save on the quality of ship metal

Not certainly in that way. Ships were built from one metal, and ships from another. As an example, project 550, diesel-electric ships. 15 ships in the series, all departed on average for 25 years, rotted and were decommissioned, except for one - "Mikhail Somov". Its commissioning was being prepared for the 30th anniversary of the victory, for some reason there was no ordinary metal in Kherson and they built it from what it was, but it was what destroyers are built from. So it still runs on the waves.

[Dikson]

I had to be on the sistership "Somov" - "Navarin" .. several times .. it was a good steamer ..

[U_GOREC]

Quote from gansales

Reliable and durable ships, both military and civilian, were built in the USSR
They did not save on the quality of ship metal

Civil? These are the ones that were built in Germany (and that and that), Finland, Norway, Poland, Denmark, Greece and many, many other countries? Do you generally know how many SavComFlot vessels were built in the USSR? AT %?

[Paladin]

Quite in proportion. They were built here, and they were built abroad. As well as in any other maritime country.

[U_GOREC]

Quote: Paladin

Quite in proportion.

That is, they are not familiar with the numbers ...

[Paladin]

That is, if you possess sacred knowledge, share it, but then we will chirp, well, or weep, which is unlikely. But at our ship repair in the 80s, at least 2/3 of the ships were of our construction.
Ps Will there be numbers and graphs?))))))

[U_GOREC]

Why sacred? You just need to study the question, and not: " at our ship repair, I saw the construction documents myself)))"
There is such a Doctor of Technical Sciences Kontalev, Viktor Alexandrovich He has a dissertation on the subject. Easily find. Get familiar, learn...

[Paladin]

I saw the construction documents myself)))

No need to think for me, these are your wet fantasies. And the data can be found on the Internet, it is not difficult, for this you do not need to study dissertations.
Ps As for the dissertation ... You yourself would read it before offering it to the audience, well, at least a conclusion, if you don’t have enough strength)))))

[Mikhail Maslov]

The BDK was flooded with weapons, because this cargo is not safe. So both the port and the incoming ships were cleared of the threat.

[iz odessy]

the naval commanders of the Black Sea Fleet in the NMD have fulfilled only one plan, so far. Its heading is "disposal". It's somehow embarrassing, for someone else's, our Black Sea Fleet

[K-50]

For one damaged one, you need to put into operation two new ones, but at times increase the power of their air defense.
An example of "Saratov" and "Moscow" on the face.
So that there are no more such annoying episodes.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: K-50

For one damaged one, you need to put into operation two new ones, but at times increase the power of their air defense.
An example of "Saratov" and "Moscow" on the face.
So that there are no more such annoying episodes.

It is necessary to send Abramovich's fleet to war. What is he talking about?

[Corrosion inhibitor]

Hit on weak spots. Everything cannot be enlarged. War is a team sport. No team - no victory. It'll be this way forever.
If Tochka-U hit there, then it is a ballistic missile, it flies high, it can be seen far away. This means, at least, in one of the air defense zones - in the near zone, in general, there was no air defense, even ground. This is not a weakness of the ship, this is a weakness of planning. Who thinks otherwise is a layman.

[Bshkaus]

For one damaged one, you need to put into operation two new ones, but at times increase the power of their air defense.

Do you give all your salary to the last balance for these purposes?
This is not a cake for you to bake with three cherries instead of one.

[Andy_nsk]

Do you give all your salary to the last balance for these purposes?
This is not a cake for you to bake with three cherries instead of one.

I would give my monthly salary for the construction of a destroyer or a frigate with a good air defense system, if such a cry was thrown across the country, but with one ma-a-small condition, that gentlemen like Sechin and Co. also unfasten from their money-boxes, acquired by overwork, at least a monthly income, then they would definitely get a good boat!

[Bshkaus]

I would give my monthly salary to build a destroyer or frigate with a good air defense system if such a cry was thrown around the country

I don’t see a problem, my dear, Ukrainians have long had a national fun to collect for folk bayraktars, and it’s not the first time they’ve been collecting, even the Balts and the Poles have pulled themselves up.
You have to be more proactive

[Vlad1097]

Now two large universal helicopter carriers are being built in Crimea, and in general, for the loss of Saratov and Moscow, I would have dismissed the entire command of the Black Sea Fleet in place of the supreme command, and instructed to initiate criminal cases against the unit for an irresponsible approach to organizing the operation that led to heavy losses of people and equipment.

[Alexander Salenko]

So Moscow had a fort and not some garbage

[tralflot1832]

The hard worker served everything, there is no point in restoring. He died in battle under fire. [center]

[Vinnibuh]

And do not tell me in what battle? Unfortunately, the Black Sea Fleet screwed up completely. Do not offer pseudo-patriotism, and so they got victorious reports on TV.

[tralflot1832]

Question to the question, What is the BDK used for? Correctly answer my question, you will find the answer to your question.

[Vinnibuh]

Question to question (sorry for taftology), the BDK came, landed troops, left, didn’t it? And he was practically screwed at the pier, the question is, what the hell did he do for so long and where was the air defense

[otstoy]

The question would be legitimate, use Saratov for its intended purpose, like a BDK. But he came to Berdyansk as a transport of weapons, loaded with ammunition, the unloading of which is a long process. Another thing is that it could not be carried out in Berdyansk with direct visibility from city security cameras. And of course, it was a crime that at that time Kunikov was moored to Saratov on the second side, and Novocherkassk was ahead. Only the luck and professionalism of the teams allowed us to lose 1 BDK, not 3.

[Vinnibuh]

Here I completely agree with you.

[tralflot1832]

The tasks performed by the BDK or it was necessary to use a civilian bulk carrier to transport ammunition and supplies.

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[antivirus]

The sailors are tired of fighting for the replenishment of the Black Sea Fleet. We decided to rejuvenate. Non-refundable replacement

[Alexander Salenko]

I almost forgot, it seems to you today 61? If I'm not mistaken, then happy birthday

[tralflot1832]

Thanks for the compliments!

[Alexander Salenko]

You spoke yesterday. read, remember, health is the main thing!

[tralflot1832]

Health to you, and to the whole family and loved ones!

[Grits]

Quote: tralflot1832

What is BDK used for?

In the Russian fleet, it is used only for the delivery of goods to Syria. Oh yes, maybe still at the naval parade.
Our BDKs will never in their history carry out landing operations. In general, it is not clear why they are built.

[tralflot1832]

We don’t have American experience. Yes, our marines fought heroically in the Great Patriotic War. But the time for landings, approaching unnoticed and quietly landing, is irretrievably gone. But the landing craft of other fleets do not leave the Black Sea!

[Alexander Salenko]

Another one, will you say it to the faces of the soldiers of the 126th and 810th brigade that they screwed up? This is also the CHF.

[alexmach]

Unloading for the large landing craft and during the war is still a combat mission.

[iouris]

The Black Sea Fleet was not disgraced. And now what to do with these ammunition?

[Vlad1097]

The Black Sea Fleet was not dishonored; he himself was disgraced thanks to the "professionalism" of his command.

[otstoy]

Raised more than half of the ship. The photo shows that there is no bow ramp, forepeak, hold 1, the entire hold 2 on the port side, both forward cranes and ZIF-31B. Probably, during the explosion in the hold 2, Saratov was torn into 2 parts. Or they cut off the ruined nose before lifting. It is clear that the ship will be cut up on the spot, because. transporting it in such a state is simply unrealistic.

[Vlad1097]

Yes, it’s easier to tow it to where the depth is great and send it to the bottom again, thereby saving hundreds of millions of rubles on its cutting.

[otstoy]

In the blockages of metal structures in holds 2 and 3, there may be unexploded ordnance and the remains of the dead. Just last week, a sailor from Saratov was buried. It is unlikely that anyone from the bilge party survived and they need to be buried like human beings.

[Vlad1097]

Most likely, the divers raised all the dead, as well as unexploded ordnance

[otstoy]

It is very dangerous to disassemble the blockages of iron structures with ammunition under water. This is done in exceptional cases.

[Bshkaus]

"Saratov" was heavily damaged on March 24 during the shelling of the Berdyansk port by the Ukrainian military. The blow was delivered by missiles of the Tochka-U complex.

I would not say that it was badly damaged, rather gouged into the trash and sunk :/
All this sophistry around gestures of goodwill, negative births and freelance immersions, designed at first glance to smooth out mistakes, imperceptibly devalues ​​losses and, as a result, reduces the motivation to correct them, which further aggravates the funnel and creates a virtual reality, the hostages of which we ourselves and become.
There are always losses in war and this is normal, they can be sensitive and this cannot be avoided, if they are obvious, they need to be talked about.
Trying to veil problems with the help of neuro-linguistic programming, we unconsciously lay the program and that in fact, not everything is so bad and it is not necessary to take a steam bath. That's why we got a bunch of Saratov-Moscow-Boh. :/ and the complete inadequacy of some comments

So that's great! Will serve more. Nikolaev and Odessa ahead.

[Vinnibuh]

Correctly noticed

[Dikson]

It's just that a certain number of local commentators either have something with frontal lobes, or they are foreign agents, and their "cheers - patriotic" comments are simply - simply hard trolling and mocking sarcasm ..

[noname1117]

"Sinked by the crew" ... Just disrespect for the dead sailors, who definitely were a lot. What kind of heroes are they if they did not burn alive on a ship attacked by the enemy, but "accidentally suffered as a result of cotton and drowning"?

[yakisam]

What did the guys raise
Now you can not ask uncomfortable questions like "how did you lose the ship"
But what they raised - well done. Those who raised it are definitely not those who flooded it.
What will happen to him? And nothing will happen .. There is no value in it for our ... fleet.
The Black Sea Fleet has a three-battalion marine corps brigade, i.e. actually a regiment, and without armored vehicles. But what is not in the Black Sea Fleet is that there are no means of ensuring the landing of amphibious assault forces. Therefore, there will be no landings. Conventional transport ships are better at transporting goods and troops. And that means the BDK is not needed.
If only once again heroically flood? Or first repair at the price of a destroyer? What business...

[pharmacist]

Hmm, I read the comments and see that everyone is clearly divided into two groups - optimists and pessimists. The latter win by a wide margin. The ships sank - bad. (You can't argue here.) The ships were raised - badly. The Black Sea Fleet has been crap ... The command is mediocre. Yes, NATO assistance with anti-ship missiles, specialists and satellite data was not immediately taken into account. But learn, draw conclusions. And to you guys, as a professional, I advise you: drink Afobazol. Better Fluoxetine Lannacher if you can find the recipe. Thanks, you can downvote.

[iouris]

It is known that a pessimist is a well-informed optimist. And realists always have worse forecasts than pessimists.
"This is not England for you: you need to dig deeper!" (poor oilman)

[SIT]

Quote from Pharmacist

But learn, draw conclusions.

Sorry, these guys with salaries in six figures and stars on shoulder straps the size of a fist will still only be taught what is GPS, which is in every smartphone of a first grader ??? Isn't it too late? And for mooring on the second side and placing the 3rd ship nearby in combat conditions and not providing air defense in the last century in the mid-40s, they could have been sent to the penal battalion to atone for blood.

[noname1117]

3 months after the sinking of the Saratov, the newest rescue tug is being sunk. A one-of-a-kind ship with unique deep-sea equipment, sunk when used as a bq delivery ferry. No air defense, no air cover (although everyone knows that every strike corrects the UAV), no attempts to detect and destroy the missile system while it left the shelter.
Objectively, is it more like "conclusions drawn" or "Black Sea Fleet crap ... Command is mediocre"? Or will conclusions be drawn after the war, when they write and adopt a new Sacred Charter, providing for the existence of satellite data and UAVs?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: noname1117

3 months after the sinking of the Saratov, the newest rescue tug is being sunk. A one-of-a-kind ship with unique deep-sea equipment, sunk when used as a bq delivery ferry.

Not everything is so bad - "Rescuer Vasily Bekh" was one of the six built rescue and towing vessels of project 22870 and one of the four vessels of this project serving in the Black Sea Fleet.

The Astrakhan ship repair plant Zvezdochka Ship Repair Center JSC built six ships of project 22870 for the Russian Navy. Caspian flotilla. The second vessel "Professor Nikolai Muru" (serial number 22870, was laid down under the designation SB-45) was transferred on December 005, 2011 to the Black Sea Fleet. On July 27, 2014, the third tug SB-006 (serial number 565), built under the contract dated February 28, 2014, was transferred to the Russian Navy and became part of the Caspian Flotilla.

In 2015, the Astrakhan enterprise received a contract from the Russian Ministry of Defense for the construction of another three ships of project 22870 with serial numbers 008, 009 and 010, all of which, upon completion of construction, became part of the Black Sea Fleet. The lead of these three rescue tugs SB-739 (serial number 008) was launched in Astrakhan on August 2, 2016 and delivered to the Russian Navy on January 16, 2017. The second tugboat "Kapitan Guryev" (serial number 009) under this contract was launched in Astrakhan on May 18, 2018 and delivered to the Russian Navy on December 20, 2018. The third vessel under this contract (and the sixth in the series as a whole) SB-742 with serial number 010 became part of the Black Sea Fleet on December 20, 2019.

© bmpd
By the way, on March 25, 2021, in Astrakhan, at the shipyard of the Astrakhan Shipyard branch of Zvezdochka Ship Repair Center JSC, the seventh vessel of this project, the Mikhail Chekov (serial number 021), was laid down.

But the way the Black Sea Fleet managed to lose this rescuer is, yes, the finish line ... But they also drove the Vsevolod Bobrov (a logistics support vessel with a displacement of 9482 tons) and a self-propelled floating crane to the same area.

[Dimon-chik-79]

Quote: Alexey RA

Not everything is so bad - "Rescuer Vasily Bekh" was one of six built

Not everything is so good if we are not justified so we lose the court! What a cruiser, what a tugboat, and at the same time it is also the loss of people. What was the point in Fr. Serpentine, especially since today he had to be left anyway?!? And from the very beginning it was clear what to keep in the presence of a large number of drones, tactical and anti-ship missiles in the presence of the enemy in such a compartment, it is simply not possible!

[Dimon-chik-79]

Quote from Pharmacist

Yes, NATO assistance with anti-ship missiles, specialists and satellite data was not immediately taken into account.

And why??! Were there any doubts that this would be the case? Yes, and dill has its own missiles, with which the sinking of the cruiser is attributed!
And in general, it may be time to ask why everything is going through well with us ... and the beginning of the operation and the loss of ships and import substitution, at first it was necessary to ruin a lot, and now we have to catch up in jumping and rearmament, which, whatever one may say, does not pull by 70% !

Quote from Pharmacist

But learn, draw conclusions.

The price is not expensive!?! Yes, and it was necessary to study in the academies and in the exercises! And for all this you have to pay with human lives and expensive equipment! Moreover, some things just lie on the surface, even for us sofas!

[master 52]

anything happens in a war. but the fact that we don’t know how to admit shortcomings is bad only makes people angry

[bukhach]

Quote: otstoy

And of course, it was a crime that at that time Kunikov was moored to Saratov on the second side, and Novocherkassk was ahead. Only

I wonder if anyone was punished for such slovenliness, or was they hushed up on the sly? As far as I know, in the army, in the navy, they stuffed their hands on this.

[Vovavvs]

This is not our method. So in Hitler's Germany they put things in order, sharply and shamefully dismissing the honored admirals led by Raeder ... Although, after the recent general's "starfall", the Russian Guard shows itself perfectly in the NWO.

[Carlos Hall]

To resurrect the cruiser Moskva would be a good propaganda move. I wonder if it can be done or if it is technically impossible.

[Atmospheric QUEEN]

Veteran. Make it a memorial. Deserved.

[certero]

Quote: koramax81

During the sinking of "Moskva", about 12 blows were applied to it at the same time. And only 1-2 missiles (presumably "Harpoon") missed. At the same time, the ship was actively interfered with and highlighted. Roughly speaking, the hunt went something like Bismarck at one time

Why are you posting bullshit?
Or at least confirm your words with something.

[Dimon-chik-79]

Yes, it would be great if it was restored!
He is not at all superfluous in the fleet, and can still bring a lot of benefits. Yes, and we already have a fountain with ships ..

[Vovavvs]

Maybe I'm not catching up with something in the leadership of the fleet, but still I wonder why the head of the MTO was involved in the air defense of the Serpent?

[Commodore Arctic]

"Saratov" was heavily damaged on March 24 during the shelling of the Berdyansk port by the Ukrainian military. The blow was delivered by missiles of the Tochka-U complex.

- Here comes the truth! And the fact that they just didn’t write

[Losyara]

Many questions, oh many

[tolmachiev51]

The only plus is raised! so that it doesn’t get under your feet, otherwise it’s either scrap metal or modernization for 10 years.

[whiteidol]

Question .. maybe off topic, but ... Do you think the cruiser "Ukraine" will be flooded or left?

[TatarinSSSR]

If they restore it, it will be just another waste of budgetary funds. Is it possible that the condition of the landing fleet of the Russian Federation is so deplorable that it needs the old ship so much? I hope the cruiser Moscow will not be raised for repair and restoration as a combat unit of the fleet? The Russian Navy needs new ships, not these old men.

[Hikaro]

Here a comment slipped through about the decoding of the abbreviations of the fleets of the USSR Navy! The legs of this bike have been growing since the 90s!! There were figures who collected rumors under the awl from coastal rats from barbaz and passed them off as the truth !! In reality, the Soviet Navy under Gorshkov, with all the shortcomings and distortions, was a restraining force that was reckoned with! And the BS was real and dangerous, and there was pride in all who served and carried the BS in the waters of the oceans and seas !! Alas, today's Black Sea Fleet of Russia is not very suitable for delusional tasks!

[Ros 56]

It's good for scrap metal, the good doesn't go to waste. Served miserable.