Russia delivered an ultimatum to Lithuania over the situation with cargoes for the Kaliningrad region

Russia reserves the right to take action to protect its national interests. If Lithuania does not unblock transit to Kaliningrad in the near future, the necessary measures will be taken. This is stated in the statement of the Russian Foreign Ministry.

Russia delivered an ultimatum to Lithuania, declaring that it has the right to protect its interests, which were blatantly violated by Vilnius. Today, June 20, the Russian Foreign Ministry summoned the Charge d'Affaires of Lithuania Virginia Umbrasene, who was handed the appropriate note.

(...) if in the near future cargo transit between the Kaliningrad region and the rest of the territory of the Russian Federation through Lithuania is not restored in full, then Russia reserves the right to take actions to protect its national interests

- the Russian Foreign Ministry said in a statement.

Earlier, Lithuania imposed a ban on the transit of goods under EU sanctions through its territory to Kaliningrad. The Kremlin has already called this decision unprecedented and in violation of international law. In the Federation Council, the blockade of Kaliningrad was recognized as a violation of Russia's sovereignty and the basis for very tough and absolutely legal actions against Lithuania. If the European Union fails to influence Vilnius, Russia will solve the problem itself.

According to experts, Lithuania, having violated Russia's right to access its territory, actually gave Russia the right to resolve this issue by any means, including military. The actions of Vilnius have already been called suicidal, capable of unleashing a military conflict in the Baltic.

Comments

[Woodman]

Russia delivered an ultimatum to Lithuania

It's not called an ultimatum. It's called "protest". An ultimatum (if any) will come later. With clear deadlines and possible actions. For now, this is just a call to prudence.

[credo]

Quote: Lesovik

Russia delivered an ultimatum to Lithuania

It's not called an ultimatum. It's called "protest". An ultimatum (if any) will come later. With clear deadlines and possible actions. For now, this is just a call to prudence.

I agree, it is a pity that the authors of the article do not see the difference between a protest and an ultimatum.
The difference is significant and implies different consequences.
At the same time, it is clear that the six from Lithuania followed the instructions of the United States, which in this way are pushing Russia to military operations with one of the NATO countries.

[Woodman]

Quote: credo

it is a pity that the authors of the article do not see the difference between a protest and an ultimatum.

More than sure they see. "Nothing personal just business". "Ultimatum" guarantees more clicks than "protest".

[mikh-korsakov]

The success of the work of a seamstress lies in the number of stitched seams. The success of the work of a journalist who publishes on the Internet lies in the number of visits to the site, maybe advertisements will be thrown. Therefore, the appearance of the term ULTIMATUM in the article is logical. Because the reader, after reading the title, will definitely look, although it is important for the hedgehog that the mandatory part of any ultimatum is the delivery of a time frame (by 1 o'clock in the morning, or not) - no "nearest time". Therefore, no ultimatum - only a protest that the Lithuanians will wipe themselves with.

[Woodman]

Quote: mikh-korsakov

Because the reader, after reading the title, will definitely look,

That's understandable, that's what I was talking about, but

Spoons were found, but the sediment remained!

[fruc]

mikh-korsakov: no ultimatum - only a protest that the Lithuanians will wipe themselves with.

The demand of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation is legal and understandable. Let's look at the body movements of Lithuania.

[dauria]

Let's look at the body movements of Lithuania.

"Such questions are not solved with a tip. Come in for a week" - this will be the answer to the "ultimatum" without terms and conditions. Wrapped up - dispersed. The debtor begins to move when the counter ticks.

[isv000]

Quote: frruc

The demand of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation is legal and understandable. Let's look at the body movements of Lithuania.

The body will slowly fall, the eyes, decorated with a fresh lantern, will look hopelessly and longingly at the West, and a belated thought will fly through her head - "Oh! And I made porridge ..." Waking up, she is surprised to realize that she no longer girl and now her name is the region, the Vilna region of Belarus.......

[fruc]

isv000
region, Vilna region of Belarus......

If you have to decide on decisive and radical decisions, you should first turn directly to the Lithuanian population. There are quite a lot of smart and literate people who will soberly assess the situation, unlike their ruling elites.

[isv000]

Quote: frruc

If you have to decide on decisive and radical decisions, you should first turn directly to the Lithuanian population. There are quite a lot of smart and literate people who will soberly assess the situation, unlike their ruling elites.

They had thirty years to do this, and they had elections regularly, in which they made their choice over and over again!

[Boa kaa]

Quote: isv000

no longer a girl and now her name is the region, the Vilna region of Belarus .......

Crap! Sounds good I must say...
That's just one "thought" itching in the cerebellum (to the hemispheres, to solve the problem on the merits, has not yet reached!): And Lithuania is a member of NATO or so, went out for a walk ... And Art. 5 Collective Defense Treaty or not?
Are we ready for a BIG WAR in EUROPE and its environs!?
After that, I want to get drunk from the heart and pick up Kalash ...
Most likely, we will organize an economic blockade of the Litvins in response. Let's lower their economy to the farm level. Because We certainly do not need a second war now. But to make fun of the Tribaltic Extinctions economically is as much as you like !!!
IMHO.

[isv000]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

and Lithuania is a NATO member or so, went out for a walk ... And Art. 5 Collective Defense Treaty or not?

There is such a "casus belli" in diplomacy, this is when a country itself creates the prerequisites for war. According to international laws are forbidden to create obstacles to cargo transportation between the metropolis and the exclave, punishable up to military action. I think that if an armored train with two sacks of flour goes ahead, and, behind it, trains with everything else, then this will be right. Do not forget to notify the especially zealous that they are targets ...

[Hermit]

Rather, it would have become the Velensky region of Belarus. And Klaipeda should be added to Kaliningrad. Lithuania is engaged in decommunization, so let it return everything that the Union added to it.

[fax66]

What is the Velensky region of Belarus? We need a land corridor to the Kaliningrad region! )))
Those. expand the Kaliningrad region to the Leningrad region.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: frruc

mikh-korsakov: no ultimatum - only a protest that the Lithuanians will wipe themselves with.

The demand of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation is legal and understandable. Let's look at the body movements of Lithuania.

Let's look at the body movements after the refusal of Lithuania.

[fruc]

Pilat2009 : Let's look at the body movements after the refusal of Lithuania.

Let's see . The Russian Federation announced that they would increase ferry traffic with the region.
So far, power supply to Lithuania has not been turned off.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: frruc

Pilat2009 : Let's look at the body movements after the refusal of Lithuania.

Let's see . The Russian Federation announced that they would increase ferry traffic with the region.
So far, power supply to Lithuania has not been turned off.

You see, the increase in ferry traffic is not an ultimatum, but convulsive attempts not to leave Kaliningrad on a starvation ration.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: mikh-korsakov

only a protest with which the Lithuanians will wipe themselves.

I DO NOT think that Litvins have steel FABERGE!
They vibrate for sure. The main thing here is not to blunder and not lower the degree. Otherwise - smoke into the chimney, steam into the whistle! And zero output.
AHA.

[Akuzenka]

I DO NOT think that Litvins have steel FABERGE!

What kind of FABERGE can they have? The American master ordered - they fulfilled. The owner has nothing to do with it, no one "heard" the commands. And if desired, the "civilized public" will start howling. Yes, and the war too.

[zloybond]

It seems that in connection with the reference of Lithuania to the requirements of the European Union. Given that Lithuania is part of the EU, then the answer should be directed towards the entire EU as much as possible. The principle of collective education has not been canceled. We are confronted by the European herd - let the whole herd bear the burden of responsibility for the actions of one of their lackeys.

[sagitovich]

The world is going crazy. For the sake of some clicks, we are ready ... to fight for the Darwin Award ...

[valentine light]

Or "showed concern ..." :)
It seems to me that they work according to the old principle, when there were real diplomats and at least some principles in the main countries.
Now neither in the USA, nor in Great Britain, nor in France there are those diplomats of the 40s - early 70s.

In the West there are no principles - there are only "Interests".
By inertia, ours conduct etiquette diplomatic correspondence, which they no longer understand in Europe.

[Cat Alexandrovich]

Such is the level of the authors of "Military Revolt" ...

[Uncle lee]

Quote: credo

between protest and ultimatum.

-And what is an ultimatum?
-They will beat! - Mishka Kvakin, "Timur and his team"

[Gardamir]

Something like this.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Uncle Lee

Quote: credo

between protest and ultimatum.

-And what is an ultimatum?
-They will beat! - Mishka Kvakin, "Timur and his team"

Gentlemen, let me kick it off my feet...

[zloybond]

Yes already. More like MU-MU... The ultimatum is, for example, today at 21.00. The answer should be instant, not look. Answers must be prepared in advance. And the ultimatum is put after the answer. Those. will be three times worse for example.
In addition, Lithuania is part of Geyropa. Thus, as in the army - collective responsibility - you guys are together - here's an example of stopping gas supplies. By the evening we are waiting for unlocking. - If not, we convert uranium into rubles in addition to stopping gas supplies. - as an example. So call your mongrel - do the flushing, that's your problem.

[poquello]

Quote: credo

it is a pity that the authors of the article do not see the difference between a protest and an ultimatum.
The difference is significant and implies different consequences.

Well, tell me how this note is significantly different from the ultimatum

[dauria]

Well, tell me how this note is significantly different from the ultimatum

After the expiration of the term, the one who delivered the ultimatum must carry out the threat. And now you can wipe yourself off and swallow the insult. Russia did not threaten anything. So, common words without deadlines.

[poquello]

Quote: dauria

Well, tell me how this note is significantly different from the ultimatum

After the expiration of the term, the one who delivered the ultimatum must carry out the threat. And now you can wipe yourself off and swallow the insult. Russia did not threaten anything. So, common words without deadlines.

very interesting, but "if you don't fall off - you'll get lyuley" is this a protest or an ultimatum?

[And Us Rat]

Quote: poquello

"if you don't fall off - you'll get lyuley" is this a protest or an ultimatum?

This is a generalized threat with the ability to pull the cat for the Faberge, or even back down, since there is no deadline for fulfilling the requirement.

[baik11]

Quote: credo

At the same time, it is clear that the six from Lithuania followed the instructions of the United States, which in this way are pushing Russia to military operations with one of the NATO countries.

Well, if everything is clear to everyone, then please explain to the dull.
What will Russia do if Lithuania simply does not notice either the Russian ultimatum or the protest?
Fight with NATO?
And what, let me ask you, if combat-ready units are bogged down in the Ukrainian steppes and it is not clear when they will come out of there? This is the first question.
Second. Will we fight on 3 fronts (including the Syrian one)? This is a completely new, presumably, strategy? On 2 fronts, I remember, someone fought (he ended badly). But on 3 ... no, I don’t remember something ...

[Boa kaa]

Quote from: Baik11

But on 3 ... no, I don’t remember something ...

You don't know the history of the country well. Soviet Russia in the ring of fronts during the Civil War! And nothing, they screwed up. And the invaders were also imported. So not in the first. But (for garlic) - I would not like to repeat now the lessons from the past.

[zenion]

An ultimatum is half the war.

[Hunter 2]

Quite right, this Note is a protest, a precondition for the presentation of an Ultimatum. Next, we are waiting for the speech of the Supreme and the requirements according to the list with the correspondence of the International definitions.

An ultimatum is an act carried out in the form of a diplomatic note or other written diplomatic document, which comes exclusively from the highest bodies of state power. The ultimatum contains a demand, formulated in a categorical tone, for the government of the recipient country to take any actions, both foreign and domestic, as well as the unconditional fulfillment by the latter of all the conditions put forward in the ultimatum, etc. As a rule, such a diplomatic act must indicate the deadline for the execution of the ultimatum and the possible consequences if it is rejected or not accepted.

[The black]

I don't understand Lithuanians. If there is a nix, Lithuania will be completely burned from border to border. What difference does it make to them, after that, Russia will win or NATO? So the desire to hang out between the hammer and the anvil in the midst of blacksmithing?

[Kurganets-45]

means they are sure they will be protected

[fiv]

Lithuanians began to be pestered by the LGBT community. The Lithuanians decided that it would be better for Russian tanks than for these activists. After praying to Peronas, they lowered the barrier at the border and sat down to wait. Back against the wall.

[poquello]

Quote: Kurganets-45

means they are sure they will be protected

will be raked along with the defenders

[Piramidon]

Quote: Black

I don't understand Lithuanians. If a nix happens, Lithuania will be completely burned from border to border. What difference does it make to them, after that, Russia will win or NATO? So the desire to hang out between the hammer and the anvil in the midst of blacksmithing?

I don't think all this crap comes from Lithuania. She is too small fry. Perhaps we, on instructions from Washington, are being deliberately provoked into a conflict with a NATO member country, so that the alliance, relying on its own rules, can fully get involved in the conflict.

[bayard]

Quote: Piramidon

they deliberately provoke a conflict with a NATO member country so that the alliance, relying on its own rules, can fully get involved in the conflict.

These are attempts to save Ukraine from defeat, to stretch the forces of the Russian Federation on different fronts and directions. And they receive instructions from England.
If the Russian Federation takes military measures, for example, by withdrawing the act of recognizing the independence of Lithuania and returning its own to its native harbor, England will try to draw Poland into the conflict. Of course, with the support of the entire NATO.
And while conducting a "special operation" in / out, it may turn out to be difficult to resolve the issue with the threat from the Baltic limitrophes with one jerk. Especially if Poland is also involved in the conflict. Mobilizations have long been carried out in and in Poland (Poland has sharply increased the number of its troops), and in the Russian Federation they still prefer to brandish a "penknife".

[zenion]

If you cut the road to Kaliningrad, then the Baltic states will be cut off. Under this name, this area can hold out for a long time. It was lucky that they did not rename it to Yeltsingrad, then consider it lost. Due to the fact that such a hail was not in the contract. In general, because of this piece of land, World War II began. The Poles would have missed them, everything would have been hockey. There would be a German road to Prussia. Then, together with the Germans, they would arrange a run to the east.

[zenion]

Pyramidon. This is the same trick as the special operation against Ukraine. And this is against all the bourgeoisie of the Baltic states, who were Soviet republics. The difference is that they are protected by NATO. NATO will not climb, but there will be more enemies. Seems like a trap. The thing is small, but it catches bears.

[NNikolaich]

Lithuania behaves like a prison cock. Use the opportunity to hang out cool, PR of this type. Accordingly, this should be treated. A rooster, he is also a rooster in Hamburg. For a long time the forest brothers did not receive. And the Soviet people remember their merits for 77 years. Received on occasion.
I personally worry more about the Kazakh brothers. By the way, have they learned to piss standing up, or, like in civilian life, do they get off their horses and get down on one knee?
Dovy ... sometimes they will get it, like the Khokhliki brothers

[ARIONkrsk]

Why burn them out, stop supplying email. energy, gas, oil and so on, to ban all their imports to Russia, I think they will start thinking differently.

[Vlodek]

Blockade to blockade. And not only Lithuania ... Build all 3 of the Balts on the windowsill and wait until: they restore the monuments, equalize the rights of everyone and grant citizenship to everyone ... Otherwise, they took the fashion: this citizen, but this one is not ... And not will hold a referendum and changes in the constitution of the autonomous republics within the Russian Federation... Oh. Am I in a hurry? Come on. What really. No one will stand up for a bid. They will only regret it ... They say don’t hit it hard, it was a good syavochka. So yapped loudly at the bear!

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Vlodek

don’t hit it hard, it was a good syavochka. So yapped loudly at the bear!

One already does not really want to continue the "concert" at the request of the Western hosts.

[bobba94]

The population of Lithuania in 1991 - 3,701 million people
The population of Lithuania in 2021 is 2,64 million people.
By the end of the century, they will disappear as a nation .... They probably want to leave beautifully with fanfare.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: bobba94

The population of Lithuania in 2021 is 2,64 million people.

Do not confuse the people and those living on the territory. As a nation, they feel quite normal. Nowadays, people live all over the globe and this does not prevent them from feeling like a representative of the nation. I will even say a seditious thought that many will not like. In a few decades, Europe will a single state, and the population of Russia will consist mainly of Tajiks, Uzbeks and other eastern peoples who, by and large, do not care about sovereignty.

[poquello]

Quote: Hunter 2

Quite right, this Note is a protest, a precondition for the presentation of an Ultimatum.

that is, there can be no action after this note without "presenting an Ultimatum"? from what?

Quote: Hunter 2

The ultimatum demands

and what? no?

Quote: Hunter 2

As a rule, such a diplomatic act must indicate the deadline for the execution of the ultimatum.

"in the near future" is quite a deadline, those "if you have time"

Quote: Hunter 2

and the possible consequences of its rejection or non-acceptance.

and quite the consequences of "actions to protect their national interests"

[GNM]

After the call for prudence, there should be a compulsion for common sense, something like 08.08.08.

[bulgaria_]

What's the difference. Is there a blockade? There is. Will Russia respond harshly? No. Because it's not ready yet. How many red lines have you crossed? So what? The day before, 50 high-ranking officers were killed. And it was necessary to go straight to Kyiv for another 1 week of the special operation.

[Ivanov5252]

History repeats itself. The United States wants Russia to be drawn into a protracted war. That is why, until February 24, Biden so insistently assured Russia that they would not lift a finger for Ukraine, that they would not send troops, and that assistance to Ukraine would only be cosmetic. Russia started a war against Ukraine. Now the US wants to pit Russia against NATO so they can further rally NATO together and force Russia to fight on two fronts. The right move for Russia would not be to invade Lithuania, but to supply Kaliningrad by sea. Russia has no other useful move. PS Article 5 applies to Lithuania. Lithuania and Poland are ready for war, apart from the fact that the whole of NATO is behind them.

[Igor K]

How long? So they all line up to kick the bear.

[Zaurbek]

Let's finish with Ukraine first ....... and so, of course, lawlessness on the part of the Tribalts. Does this situation fit under Article 5 of NATO?

[donavi49]

Completely.

What they are doing is a formal violation of the Russia-EU agreement and the obligatory transit clause in the act of Lithuania's accession to the EU.

To NATO in general no sideways. Lithuania, like any sovereign country in the world, can block supplies by land, sea and air transport through its territory. This is written in the UN.

[Zaurbek]

Well, here we must clearly understand - this is the decision of Lithuania's initiative or the cohesive position of the EU or NATO.

[dedusik]

Lithuanian Foreign Minister Landsbergis: The blockade of the Kaliningrad region has been agreed with the European Commission

The ban on the transit of goods from the Kaliningrad region through Lithuania was introduced after consultations with the European Commission and was directly agreed upon with it. This was stated on Monday by the head of the Lithuanian Foreign Ministry Gabrielius Landsbergis during the Council of Ministers of Foreign Affairs of the countries - members of the European Union.

“From June 17, sanctioned goods ... can no longer be transported through Lithuania. This decision was made after consultations with the European Commission and under its leadership,” Landsbergis informed.

[zenion]

And if the European Commission told Lithuania to jump into a cliff, would Lithuania jump? Probably no! But Lithuania jumped. She jumped head down, which means she didn’t suffer for a long time.

[nnm]

Lithuania would have been instantly given a hat if it were not for NATO that planned this new provocation.

[Genry]

Quote: donavi49

What they are doing is a formal violation of the Russia-EU agreement

Blockade is a type of hostilities.
Lithuania actually attacked Russia - there are many others, but the answer will fly to those who first come to hand.

[Zaurbek]

If this situation is a casus belli, then the EU is not a military organization. And NATO must clearly state whether it will fit in with Latvia or not. Militarily, the area there is not large and Latvia is not Ukraine. And the opposition of the Russian Federation is attacks on command posts ..... and in the EU there are not so many places where nuclear weapons can be tested .....

[Sharky]

If this situation is a casus belli, then the EU is not a military organization. And NATO must clearly state whether it will fit in with Latvia or not. Militarily, the area there is not large and Latvia is not Ukraine.

And here Latvia, dear? An article about Lithuania, these are different countries.

[Zaurbek]

They don't differ much. All in one face. Lithuania is Lithuania.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Zaurbek

They don't differ much. All in one face. Lithuania is Lithuania.

Then what's the difference, let's bomb Estonia.

[Zamira]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Then what's the difference, let's bomb Estonia.

Let's go :)
But seriously, it all started with this fucking Baltic. The collapse of the Union, I mean.
And I think it will be fair if they pay for it. Expensive!

[Gvardeetz77]

Quote: Sharky

If this situation is a casus belli, then the EU is not a military organization. And NATO must clearly state whether it will fit in with Latvia or not. Militarily, the area there is not large and Latvia is not Ukraine.

And here Latvia, dear? An article about Lithuania, these are different countries.

Georgia-Georgia

[Cananecat]

Quote: donavi49

Completely

Those. Article 5 of the NATO Charter provides for violation of international legal norms?

[ARIONkrsk]

International norms have long been violated by the EU and the United States, they only hide behind them to harm someone and squeeze out goodies for themselves.

[Egoza]

Lithuania, like any sovereign country in the world, can block supplies by land, sea and air transport through its territory

Oh really?

The European Union, if it does not immediately correct Vilnius' impudent trick, will itself disavow for us the legitimacy of all documents on Lithuania's membership in the EU and will untie the hands to solve the Kaliningrad transit problem created by Lithuania by any means we choose.
Source: https://rusvesna.su/news/1655712471

[donavi49]

When the EU took Lithuania into the union, it prescribed a mandatory transit norm. However, as they say, they settled with the EU:
The ban on the transit of goods from the Kaliningrad region through Lithuania was introduced after consultations with the European Commission and was directly agreed upon with it.


NATO does not take into account any transit at all, but takes into account only those prescribed activation norms of Article 5.

The ban on the transportation of goods by sea, air and land on its territory is registered in the UN. Every country can do it. Russia too.

[Zaurbek]

Each ... for example, Ukraine. She didn’t let her travel and fly to the Crimea. There is even a clear example with advancement in km, how many fighters were killed in 100 days, at what depth airfields are affected .... and the price of the issue is only transit.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: donavi49

Lithuania, like any sovereign country in the world, can block supplies by land, sea and air transport through its territory.

not quite there, there is still a crowd of bilateral agreements and mutual recognitions based on these

[Gardamir]

Well, they allegedly delivered an ultimatum. Only those have already taken action and the Kremlin is another blah blah. How many people were killed in Donetsk today and again blah blah.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: donavi49

This is written in the UN.

Edited by sash. Will sash work against satellites?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Zaurbek

Does this situation fit under Article 5 of NATO?

it all depends on how the main NATO member thinks, you can let it down, or you can not

[Zaurbek]

There will be no fundamentally new sanctions ..... any war in the EU against the Russian Federation is a big war with forces greater than those of the Russian Federation. TNW will go into action. Any owner of nuclear weapons in the EU, in the event of a strike on the Russian Federation, loses the country and 80% of the population. And the United States will receive the most income from the fact that nothing will arrive on their territory.
Therefore, I think that it is unlikely that a decision will be made to fight against the Russian Federation. But there are force majeure and then it blazes and blazes.

[Woodman]

Quote: Zaurbek

any war in the EU against the Russian Federation is a big war with more forces than the Russian Federation. TNW will go into action. Any owner of nuclear weapons in the EU, in the event of a strike on the Russian Federation, loses the country and 80% of the population. And the United States will receive the most income from the fact that nothing will arrive on their territory.

The EU is not a military bloc, and just the EU countries are not obliged to "fit in" for each other in the event of a military conflict, as I understand it. And here's how NATO countries are for a NATO country ... But in this case, there is no guarantee that the United States will not be "raked", even if, following the example of the Turks, they find a reason to refuse to enter into a conflict. But this is in the event that it comes to nuclear weapons, which I doubt.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Lesovik

But how NATO countries for a NATO country ...

legally not a fact, article 5 reads (verbatim)
Article 5 states that if one NATO member is the victim of an armed attack, all other members of the Alliance will consider this act of violence an armed attack on all NATO countries and will take actions they deem necessary to help the attacked NATO country.
in this particular case, if the mattresses do not want to participate, they can refer to the fact that Lithuania is the initiator of the conflict

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Zaurbek

any war in the EU against the Russian Federation is a big war with big

why?
does Lithuania have more power than the Russian Federation, or do you have confidence that NATO will stir it up?

[Ivanov5252]

"... we have confidence that NATO will stir up!" - That's the whole operation.

[Leshak]

Let's look at the reaction of the Tribalts. Before that, there is nothing to discuss.

[41 REGION]

Quote: Leshak

Let's look at the reaction of the Tribalts. Before that, there is nothing to discuss.

The reaction of the Tribalts is known, there is no brain there, one desire to spoil

[donavi49]

Well, here NATO has a pitchfork - if they don’t fit in, it’s self-dissolution, Britain, Poland, the Czech Republic, and Slovakia will be the first to come out. Well, if you fit in, then BB3.

Also, with a probability of about 90%, even without NATO, Poland will fit in. For they not only actually have an alliance in alliance with Lithuania, but also a common area of ​​​​interest here.

Oh, and to go into conflict with NATO or even the Baltic states + Poland with an associated army in the NWO only with nuclear weapons.

[Dilettante grandfather]

Do you propose to use tactical nuclear weapons? This will no doubt lead to WW3. Are you personally ready to burn in a nuclear explosion? Only limited forces are bound in the NWO, not the entire army.

[donavi49]

No, I just pointed out that the military answer is the nuclei in the current realities.

NATO has a permanent contingent in the Baltics. He just won't be able to leave in a week or a month, even if NATO decides to quit. In self-defense, they will have to somehow participate in this.

Let's even assume that NATO, leaving everything, runs away, then the Baltics are still a well-equipped army and they will fight (again, the illusions about flowers and surrender no longer worked). Their army is well equipped, even well. It certainly won't be an easy ride. It is necessary to collect a hundred BTGs, but where can I get them? Remove Donbass or Kherson? Abandon the April conscripts? For contractors are raked out of parts to the maximum.

What if the Polish army comes to the rescue? And they will come with a 90% probability because they have an internal union + excellent relations + common interests in this case.

And I missed what Biden said "The US and allies will fight for every sacred inch of NATO territory."

[Dilettante grandfather]

The answer may be different. Below, in the comments, it is announced: the clearing of the railway, the occupation of this area. In Ukraine, contractors participate in the database, I do not argue. But in our city, in units, they are, so they are not raked out to the maximum.
In fact, we are at war with NATO, not just Ukraine. Therefore, there is a war going on. And here already the concept of a contractor should not excite anyone. Conscripts are also military personnel. They took the oath, and I see no reason why they should stay away. If their fathers-commanders taught them well combat work, then there will be no problems. If it's bad, a question arises for the officers.
And nuclear weapons are the last argument. And the last one is for both sides.

[Plate]

The outcome of a full-scale non-nuclear conflict between Russia and NATO is obvious. Industrial and hence military potentials are sharply in favor of NATO. Therefore, in the event of a full-scale non-nuclear conflict, from the Kremlin's point of view, it would be logical to "play with trump cards", knocking out their industries from under the EU and the States with nuclear strikes. And there ... well, either the end of everything (we were the end anyway), or the states will still be able not to fall apart from this. But then you have to fight on reserves. We won’t reach the States, but we can sweep Europe with a tank avalanche on old stocks.
However, it's all scary anyway. I hope the Balts will come to their senses and will not drive the Kremlin into a dead end, from which it will be able to get out only by breaking the way with warheads.

[Dilettante grandfather]

The option "or not" in the case of a database using nuclear weapons is more than doubtful. Yes, part of the world's population will survive. But life will be short and in extremely unpleasant conditions. You can't hide from radiation. And she brings all sorts of troubles that are not very compatible with life.

[Volkov]

It is possible for the Baltic fleet to start intercepting all Lithuanian ships and driving them back to our ports. Lithuania will hit significantly.

[donavi49]

Lithuanian ships - those that are under the flag? So this is an effective measure, though for a year it is not a fact that at least one will come out to catch.

If the sea blockade of ports, then again double-edged. And what if the NATO fleet starts doing the same, and not only with Kaliningrad, but with the Gulf of Finland?

[Egoza]

Quote: Volkov

Lithuania will hit significantly.

Can. And let Lukashenka, as an ally, close the border with Lithuania. And then there every day they go shopping. Let the population know what it is for the fact that the government delays cargo to Kaliningrad.

[Ivanov5252]

Doesn't it occur to you that NATO will immediately block the Kaliningrad-Russia maritime communication, which only Kaliningrad can supply? Before writing, you need to think.

[Cat Alexandrovich]

Not tactical nuclear weapons, but to launch armored trains along the route Minsk - Kaliningrad. And do not shoot at the Tribaltic customs border guards immediately from the ZU-23, but after warning bursts over their heads.

[Ivanov5252]

unscrew 10 km of rails, and the train stops.

[Looking for]

Quote: Grandfather is an amateur

Do you propose to use tactical nuclear weapons? This will no doubt lead to WW3.

yes, stop talking nonsense.

[Monster_Fat]

But here it is interesting: what measures will be applied? If you said "A", you must also say "B", otherwise it will not be according to the concepts, the right people will not understand ... Only I have the feeling that we are being pushed towards a conflict with NATO and a thermonuclear war?

[Woodman]

Quote: Monster_Fat

Am I the only one who has the feeling that we are being pushed towards a conflict with NATO and a thermonuclear war?

The question is who? I don't see any "beneficiaries". Therefore, I am inclined to believe that "someone" is simply "brought in" in the hope of obtaining additional funding from the EU and the USA ...

[Monster_Fat]

Uh... It's not that simple... do you remember what Bill Gates said? And he said that the problems are all in the accumulated "garbage population", which only pollutes the environment and requires social injections, jobs that cannot be created with the upcoming robotization of production and virtualization of all life with the introduction of AI, so the solution to all problems lies precisely in POPULATION REDUCTION Lands up to 500 million, and even better up to 100 million people with a reboot of civilization after that. Something tells me that everything is going exactly according to this scenario.

[Woodman]

Quote: Monster_Fat

the solution to all problems lies precisely in the REDUCTION OF THE POPULATION of the Earth to 500 million, and even better to 100 million people with a reset of civilization after that

The capabilities of modern weapons do not guarantee that among the REDUCED population there will not be those who planned and organized this reduction. And such people are too careful to start a project without a 100% security guarantee.

[Third district]

Quote: Monster_Fat

the solution to all problems lies precisely in the REDUCTION OF THE POPULATION of the Earth to 500 million, and even better, to 100 million people with a reboot of civilization after that. Something tells me that everything is going exactly according to this scenario.

Also such thoughts visit. First, a pandemic with vaccinations and quarcodes, then it ended and we moved on to a new stage of the operation.

[Monster_Fat]

Absolutely right. Have you noticed that even before the special operation, even here in VO there were articles stating that the dangers of a nuclear war were greatly exaggerated? Allegedly, thermonuclear weapons are "clean" and do not produce radioactive contamination, which was proved by the "Tsar Bomb" tests? Moreover, it was written that there would be no such long "Nuclear Winter" - like all this is a fake, the dust from the explosions will settle down within 2-3 years. Like that you only need to sit out in a bunker for 5 years, and then everything will go back to normal? It is clear who will sit out this time in the bunker, and it will definitely not be me and my family, and none of the ordinary people.
It will be rich and powerful people with servants and guards. I wrote here not even a year ago that in the USA (and in China), adequate people have already found entire cities underground for the rich and government officials, as well as robotic factories for the production of weapons, ammunition and necessary things - completely autonomous, designed for using leftovers from our civilization. You can certainly laugh at this, call it a conspiracy theory, but too much confirms that the reboot of civilization through nuclear war is actually a reality.

[Dilettante grandfather]

The beneficiary is obvious: the USA. Their main goal is the conflict between the Russian Federation and NATO in Europe. As soon as it starts, they immediately wash their hands, and maintain strict neutrality. Condemning in words that we, that the EU. They, like, have nothing to do with it, and you don’t need to strike at them. Given the current state of affairs, it is likely that there will be no strike on the United States: no matter how much we are told about strikes on decision-making centers, there has never been a single strike. Result: The US remains relatively on the sidelines, Russia and Europe are in ruins.

[Terenin]

Quote: Monster_Fat

But here it is interesting: what measures will be applied? If you said "A", you must also say "B", otherwise it will not be according to the concepts, the right people will not understand ...

Obviously, now the answer is being worked out, taking into account all the risks, for the Russian ministries and departments.
By the way, a similar scheme exists in other countries.

[Svarog]

Quote: Monster_Fat

Am I the only one who has the feeling that we are being pushed towards a conflict with NATO and a thermonuclear war?

So it is, and the United States expects that they will not arrive .. but the fact that the "elite" will sit in the bunker .. well, life after such an apocalypse will become completely different, such that it will not be a joy, for two generations for sure ..

[Monster_Fat]

thanks Svarog. I see that those who have been on the forum for a long time (with rare exceptions) are able to analyze information (and not believe in it from the "correct sources") and are able to draw adequate conclusions precisely from the analysis of different information from different sources and also spaced apart time... It is necessary to work with information, it is necessary to analyze it, and not to believe in it, as in some kind of religion, if it comes from allegedly "Officially approved sources" ... Unfortunately, I see a clear degradation in this regard - even an article is being introduced, according to - to my 275 bis, so that they would not look for any other information other than "official". This is the path to a digital concentration camp, but I see that some people even like it ... And why wouldn't they like it, they also get it from the state feeder, receiving "earned" from the "financial unit". Naturally, this is not the same as others who are forced to earn money in the free market, selling their knowledge and qualifications there, in the labor market, which has collapsed 100%...

[Edik]

Quote: Monster_Fat

Am I the only one who has the feeling that we are being pushed towards a conflict with NATO and a thermonuclear war?

They want to drag Europe into the war, and the Americans will send them weapons and words of solidarity.

[Incvizitor]

It is high time to burn out this Poland, just a reason.

[Third district]

Quote: Incvizitor

It is high time to burn out this Poland, just a reason.

Don't scare the Poles .Speech is still about Lithuania.

[Incvizitor]

Lithuania will be put in its place without any yao.

[Monster_Fat]

Yes, Yes, yes, a war on two fronts, this is what you need ... Only you need it, idiots .. I apologize for the harshness.

[iouris]

Lithuania is the EU. The EU is Brussels. Wrong address, guys!
Is Ryabkov's Ultimatum still valid? I do not understand.
An ultimatum is when 24 hours are given and then there is a train with a load. If they don’t let him through, that the railway is being occupied and that’s it.

[sen]

Russia delivered an ultimatum to Lithuania

Lithuania played out. Russia's patience has run out. What will the US do, to which it will run to complain? Is Lithuania worth the war between the US and Russia.

[Fluoride11]

For some reason, I'm sure that the Americans behind the scenes have long decided for themselves that Eastern Europe, together with the Baltic states, is not worth a war with Russia ... Poland, for example, may want to think about its "roof", but as soon as the mess begins, NATO will fall out of there faster even than from Afghanistan. It will gain a foothold at the turn of Germany, Austria, Italy, and will patiently wait.

[Murmur 55]

Fluoride11 , they said the same thing about Western bankers and business, however, many stepped on their own foberge and left the Russian market having suffered losses, just like here, the Americans may dump it like from Afghanistan, or maybe they will resist, you don’t have to think that everyone is just shaking from one thoughts on our V.S.

[Terenin]

Quote: Fluoride11

and will wait patiently.

or rather ... patiently crap.

[iouris]

The bladder or soap can burst. This is not an ultimatum. This is a probe.

[Looking for]

Today - Lithuania. Tomorrow - Kaliningrad. The day after tomorrow - the Kuriles. So maybe it's worth kneeling, but we'll stay alive.

[kor1vet1974]

The actions of Vilnius have already been called suicidal, capable of unleashing a military conflict in the Baltic.

NATO would have to besiege the erection of one of the members.

[SSR]

Quote: kor1vet1974

The actions of Vilnius have already been called suicidal, capable of unleashing a military conflict in the Baltic.

NATO should be besieged erection one of the members.

What is she the most, there is a through tunnel.

[mark1]

Break through the Suwalki corridor, take Klaipeda and block the coast ... - don't give grub!

[Woodman]

Quote: mark1

Break through the Suwalki corridor

I would like to hear what Lukashenka will say, because Suwalki will be pierced from his territory.

[mark1]

Quote: Lesovik

I would like to hear what Lukashenka has to say

I would also like to, but it’s not difficult to understand what he will say - Memelevo (Memel) and Vilna are primordially Belarusian lands and want to go to their native harbor (although it will be difficult to justify about Memel, but what a port! Something will justify )

[Negro]

At least someone remembered the old man.

I would also like to hear the opinion of Alexander Grigoryevich about the option of Tikhanovskaya having tanks and aircraft.

[Terenin]

Quote: Lesovik

Quote: mark1

Break through the Suwalki corridor

I would like to hear what Lukashenka will say, because Suwalki will be pierced from his territory.

More importantly, not what he says, but what he does.
After Tokaev’s dismissive answer about the non-recognition of the LDNR, which, as a nice little one, recognized both Pristina and Kosovo, and North Macedonia ..., I have no faith in either Lukashenka or Tokaev, or Pashinyan.

[Woodman]

Quote: Terenin

After Tokaev’s dismissive answer about the non-recognition of the LDNR, which, as a nice little one, recognized both Pristina and Kosovo, and North Macedonia ..., I have no faith in either Lukashenka or Tokaev, or Pashinyan.

Tokayev did not recognize, but not trust in Lukashenka ... However, we will see everything soon.

[Terenin]

Quote: Lesovik

Quote: Terenin

After Tokaev’s dismissive answer about the non-recognition of the LDNR, which, as a nice little one, recognized both Pristina and Kosovo, and North Macedonia ..., I have no faith in either Lukashenka or Tokaev, or Pashinyan.

Tokayev did not recognize, but not trust in Lukashenka ... However, we will see everything soon.

To Lukashenka after the "Wagnerites" and non-recognition (until now) of Crimea.
What will we "see"? This is the maximum provision of Russian troops with supplies of Belarusian units. And eternal reproaches (of all neighbors) - Russia owes us because we are not against it.

[Plate]

I would like to hear what Lukashenka will say, because Suwalki will be pierced from his territory.

They also worked in Ukraine from its territory, although before that there were no comments from him.

[Murmur 55]

mark1 , first, to finish with Ukraine to the end, otherwise you can untie the navel.

[mark1]

Quote: Murmur 55

first, to finish with Ukraine,

We would like to finish it, instead of a raid on Kyiv, we would occupy a line along the entire left bank of the Dnieper and the entire Black Sea coast with blockade of coastal cities.
And about the Suwalki corridor today - a joke ...

[Terenin]

Quote: Murmur 55

mark1 , first, to finish with Ukraine to the end, otherwise you can untie the navel.

Nevertheless, let's try first without untying the navel, and if it does, then together with the "enlightened" West.

[iouris]

Quote: mark1

Break through the Suwalki corridor, take Klaipeda and block the coast ...

At least take a look at the map. There are no means of communication in Suwalki. "Lithuanian" and all other railways were built by Russia. It is all this economy that should be returned and the connectivity of the territory should be ensured. However, along with connectivity, the Baltic states will have to be taken away. Almost all of it was not only conquered, but also redeemed.
Moreover, the Vilnius region was actually in Poland before the war, and Memel was in Germany. Everyone was defeated and everyone was given territorial compensation. And the Baltics are Russia. And Russians have been living there since time immemorial. The Grand Duchy of Lithuania (i.e., Litvinian, Litvins are Belarusians) Samogitian (these are Lithuanians) and Russian (these are "northern Ukrainians"). In addition, there are many Old Believers who fled from Peter the Great and other descendants of Russian people who served or worked for our state.

[mark1]

Quote: iouris

At least take a look at the map.

Let's take a look together, more precisely, what will happen after the capture of the Suwalki corridor and blocking the coast ... - right! - it turns out blockade!
Where Memel was is not important at all, it is important that the father needs a port. Well, the fact that the Baltic states are Russia will be solemnly announced to us by the Lithuanians and others. Zhmud after a fruitful, long blockade.
You didn't see the strategic intent...
Just in case - all this is served by me as a joke.

[Dmitry Karabanov]

Well, there will obviously not be a military solution here - but economically, the "Baltic tigers" can be very much nailed down, up to collapse. But will Russia go for it - our oligarchs have so many interests there ...

[Dedok]

Quote: Dmitry Karabanov

but economically, the "Baltic tigers" can be very much nailed down, up to collapse.

they are already subsidized appendages of the EU, what else can infringe on them?

[iouris]

Economically, you can't "bait" them. There is no economic interest there, no connections. This "story" is about the war, not about the economy.

[Romario_Argo]

great lunge. soon someone will get in the teeth
on the impudent Lithuanian muzzle

[Murmur 55]

Romario Argo, you yourself believe in it, they have been spoiling us since their independence (from us) and on the rise and nothing, they feel quite normal.

[g_ae]

It's kind of doubtful. This trend is not visible, but it should be. Let's see.

[iouris]

At this moment, they hit us in the face. Backhand. And we don't even know what to do. There are four steps to defeat in the war. Even less. And no need to shag your grandmother!

[mamuka]

NATO is clearly ready and running into themselves. It was they who gathered a grouping in the Baltic States over several years (“for the first time since 2005, more than 100k people in Europe” + left Afghanistan, + tanks were gradually dragged here from across the ocean), the exercises all end there on June 22.06 and their commander is a specialist in Russia ...

[Paul Siebert]

Ufff ...
Interesting things start.
The hour of truth is coming.
Will NATO stand up for its member if Russia tackles it with all determination?
In order to break through the corridor to the Kaliningrad region?
In my opinion - will not intercede.
Its shirt is closer to the body.
It's one thing to supply xoxlam weapons. the other is to risk your own ass by fulfilling the fifth paragraph of the NATO charter.
No one wants to turn into a radioactive desert!

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Paul Siebert

The hour of truth is coming.

Everything is like 81 years ago...

[Terenin]

Quote: Paul Siebert

Will NATO stand up for its member if Russia tackles it with all determination?

Of course, intercede ... in the form of condemning resolutions, summits, forums, gay parades ... info-hysterics ...
They have already given their weapons to the ukram. Well, do not die to go for these Balts.
And by the way, where are the quasi-states located?

[tralflot1832]

Borrell was already there (T 9 was issued by a brothel, I agree with these) spoke in a rather florid manner about this. As I understand it, maybe Lithuania will deal with Russia in one person. The blockade of Russian territory is a pretext for war. NATO wants to die for Lithuania. Many, like me, they confuse where Lithuania is and where Latvia is, and Portugal probably does not know where it is.

[faiver]

What is the connection between Borrell and NATO? These are different institutions singing in the same tune...

[tralflot1832]

From such arrogance of Lithuania at the barrel, we press the bench press in one place. He wanted to fight until the victorious one a month ago.

[maiman61]

Another snot bubbling! Nothing but shame.

[Brturin]

Ultimatum...

and his - to the infamous assistant, otherwise called simply the Figure - Ek they wrapped up: "infamously famous"! This is something very noble, they could have called a fool even simpler ... iri tobacco is ....

[Bekasov Artem Andreevich]

I propose using the forces of the Kaliningrad Front and the Baltic Fleet to introduce a sea and land blockade of Lithuania until the return to full implementation of the agreement on the transportation of goods to Kaliningrad! If they don't understand, we will blockade the airspace of the still independent Republic of Lithuania! They will not understand again, we will lay a land corridor through Vilna (Vilnius) and Kovno (Kaunas)! And at the same time, remind Latvia that they can be left without Dvinsk (Daugavpils) if NATO forces continue to build up, and there will be a similar attitude towards Russians and their monuments. You all live on our land (we bought it from the Swedes) until we decided that we need it again! Russia has concentrated and is very angry, it endures for a long time and forgives a lot, but if you make it angry, you will regret it for the rest of your short life!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Bekasov Artem Andreevich

and land blockade of Lithuania

how?
by the way, if it’s a land blockade, it’s no longer a blockade, but an occupation, all one is a war

[acetophenone]

It's called a "fork". And we can’t really answer, and we can’t not answer either. Here our Americans, of course, left.

[Terenin]

Quote: acetophenon

It's called a "fork". And we can’t really answer, and we can’t not answer either. Here our Americans, of course, left.

Then you have to answer "not really", and harder. No other is given.

[Eug]

I recall the conflict between Poland and Germany due to the German demand to grant extraterritorial status to the highway from Germany to Danzig (Gdansk) .... Lithuania no longer remembers, thanks to whom its capital and second largest city - Vilna and Kovno - ended up on its territory and from Polish became Lithuanian ... Poland - most likely will fit in with Lithuania in order to return both cities and the corresponding territories ...

[stirrer]

Here we cannot denazify one country and even drive it away from Donetsk in a hundred days, we are already threatening another, so the navel can be untied.

[Metallurg_2]

You can simply increase the level and beat TNW.

[stirrer]

So they will hit in response, the game is not in our favor now, we have a population of only 140 million, and it is simply unrealistically strong centralization of everything in Moscow and the Moscow Region.

[Metallurg_2]

For fortified areas vna 404, and not in Lithuania. They won’t fit in for 404, knowing that it’s not tactical nuclear weapons that will fly in response, but strategic nuclear weapons

[stirrer]

In this case, for 404 they can fit in differently, demanding the complete economic isolation of Russia, here Western propagandists will have complete expanse. The use of tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine will be just a fiasco and an admission of one's own powerlessness, and if there are still civilian casualties, then Russia will not be washed off even a hundred years ahead.

[Viktor Sergeev]

Who told you such nonsense that Russia cannot? Russia simply does not want to turn Ukraine into a lunar landscape. But the fact that we can do nothing to Lithuania agrees, except to cut off any transit through Russia to Lithuania.

[stirrer]

Who told you such nonsense that Russia cannot? Russia simply does not want to turn Ukraine into a lunar landscape.

Don't you see the contradiction in your own words? I repeat for more than a hundred days, Russia has not driven the Armed Forces of Ukraine away from Donetsk, and you confirm that Russia cannot do this without a lunar landscape. And in Lithuania, of course, Russia will not make any lunar landscape either.

[Terenin]

Quote from: stirrer

Who told you such nonsense that Russia cannot? Russia simply does not want to turn Ukraine into a lunar landscape.

Don't you see the contradiction in your own words? I repeat for more than a hundred days, Russia has not driven the Armed Forces of Ukraine away from Donetsk, and you confirm that Russia cannot do this without a lunar landscape. And in Lithuania, of course, Russia will not make any lunar landscape either.

Russia is carefully liberating the Donetsk Republic, because it has its own people. And, in Lithuania, this will not be close. Doubt?

[Dedok]

The actions of Vilnius have already been called suicidal, capable of unleashing a military conflict in the Baltic.

not in the Baltic but with NATO
do you feel the difference?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Dedok

not in the Baltic but with NATO

not a fact, article 5 is completely manageable in this situation

[Metallurg_2]

And what will be the response measures - the statement of the Foreign Ministry specifies?
What kind of non-military measures of influence on the Labuses do we have now?

[Radius]

Lithuania is not visible on the globe. And on the political map, it is not noticeable at all. Who is it? Where is it?

[Metallurg_2]

Not visible, but smells strongly. Like a rotten egg, which guest workers deceived by the customer wall up for finishing.
It was necessary in 1940 to make the Tallinn, Vilensky and Riga districts of the Leningrad region, and not leave the union republics to the Labus and Chuhna. And no one would blather either in 1991 or now.

[opuonmed]

The EU is increasingly provoked to war in Europe)

[Viktor Sergeev]

With the words that Russia can attack Lithuania, we dishonor Russia, showing that we are empty talkers. He even understands that there will be no attack, so we shake the air, whining like a woman or like a foreign minister, whoever likes what.

[opuonmed]

it all depends on the leadership if it is not possible to solve it by diplomatic means, then it will have to be done militarily !! if they inflict a nuclear strike on the military of the Russian Federation, then there will be a nuclear war!

[Mavrikiy]

If the European Union fails to influence Vilnius, Russia will solve the problem itself.

What does the EU care about Lithuania's actions? Lithuania now has the owner of Naglia, and she incited her.

In the Federation Council blockade attempt Kaliningrad

Blockade!
Lithuania is under the umbrella of NATO, if it needs a conflict with us, then no one will cancel it. And the whole screech of NATO "Oh, I'm afraid, I'm afraid!", The seed. Abrams in the Baltic States and a whole international team for all sprats too. The question is Abrams for Poland, here will be a fist.

On April 5, 2022, at the location of the 1st Warsaw Armored Brigade named after Tadeusz Kosciuszko of the Polish Army in Warsaw, Polish Minister of National Defense Mariusz Blaszczak signed an agreement.

They could well do...

[tatarin1972]

Send a couple of "Calibers" as truce truce, you see, they would start thinking normally faster.

[ALARI]

We do not send calibers to the Rada, but you are planning to shoot NATO in the country. Cut the sturgeon.

[Viktor Sergeev]

Maybe enough verbiage, Russia will not fight with Lithuania, the maximum is to cut down any transit through it.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Victor Sergeev

the maximum is to cut down any transit through it.

and how to do it in this case without military action?

[Crisp]

Quote: Lesovik

Russia delivered an ultimatum to Lithuania

It's not called an ultimatum. It's called "protest". An ultimatum (if any) will come later. With clear deadlines and possible actions. For now, this is just a call to prudence.

Yes, what nonsense. If they threaten to knock out your left eye, then this will be an ultimatum. It is clear, after all, and it is substantively said. And if they tell you that they will make you disabled, then this is a warning. You need to at least think a little before ... Transit from your territory to your territory is not the transportation of a prohibited product from Russia to any other country that maintains sanctions for the purpose of trade, or other purposes, . Now, if the final point of transportation was NOT the Kaliningrad region, then they would have such an opportunity. There was a similar situation. When Ukraine had access to the Sea of ​​Azov. Our Strait, Kerch, but we did not have the right to prohibit the passage of ships. Inspection and mandatory coercion to pass with a pilot is another matter. This is not a ban.

[Ross xnumx]

If Lithuania does not unblock transit to Kaliningrad in the near future, necessary measures will be taken.

At the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Chargé d'Affaires ad interim of Lithuania Virginia Umbrasene was summoned, who was handed the appropriate note.

Directly:

Или:
Good afternoon, dear Virginia! Excuse me for disturbing you, would you be so kind as to disturb the leadership of the country if they agree to listen to our concerns and share the concern regarding the interruption of the transit of Russian cargo through ... How on?

[faiver]

Blocking any supplies to the EU (including gas and oil), plus a naval blockade of Lithuania ... I see no other options ...

[ultra]

And none of this will come close. And in general, after the muddy exchange of tayra, it became very sad. It is not clear why the guys at the front are shedding blood.

[ALARI]

History will help you, 117 years ago they also wanted a small victorious war to resolve, first of all, internal issues. History is cyclical, and politicians apparently do not remember this.

[ultra]

You are not familiar with the causes of the Russo-Japanese War.

[ALARI]

Well, why is it possible in detail, then one St. Petersburg oligarch really wanted to cut wood in Korea, but the Yaps were against it, they were not introduced into Korea from the Cossacks, well, word for word it started. Yes, our fleet off the coast of Japan aroused a burning desire in it to test its freshly built fleet in action. Yes, and in the country it was not calm, people began to say that the sovereign was not real.

[Mitia68]

plus a naval blockade of Lithuania ...

Curious, but what kind of forces?
Do you know how many forces we have in the Baltic Fleet and the joint forces of the Navies of the NATO countries in the Baltic? But let's not talk about sad things.

And if they simply block the Danish straits for us to leave the Baltic in response? What will the entire St. Petersburg port do? Just spit on it and shut it down altogether?

[ultra]

An ultimatum identical to "strike on decision-making centers"?

[Darkness]

I agree. Why Kyiv is worth..

[Sergey39]

Strike at an object of vital infrastructure and look at them! (((

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

I would very much like a clear definition - "the near future" and "actions to protect ..."

[u-345]

We are ready to scare. And in fact, what is it? Will we let the armored train go?

[spektr9]

We are ready to scare. And in fact, what is it? Will we let the armored train go?

It's expensive, let's limit ourselves to a warning ...

[Marine63]

Lithuania is being prepared like a sheep for slaughter - earlier recognition of Taiwan and economic suicide through the destruction of economic ties with the PRC. Now, in Fashington, they decided to set this Baltic pug against us, the result of which could be the beginning of the Third World War.

[Darkness]

Give the third world!
The whole world is in ruin!
That's where he needs to be.

[Mitia68]

And they were warned!

And we, as a victim of aggression, we, as martyrs, will go to heaven, and they will simply die

[tone]

Will they hit the decision centers again?

[Radius]

Another louse must be crushed!

[Leading]

Lithuanians are following de-occupation and de-fascistization. Because Russia needs a passage to Kaliningrad and access to the Baltic Sea. Yes, and we in Latvia have been waiting for Russia for 30 years. In 2011-2012 there was our Russian uprising in Latvia, many thousands of Russians rebelled, the Latvians brutally suppressed, and the world and, most importantly, Russia chose not to notice. It was a big blow to the worldview of Russians in the Baltics and elsewhere, and many Russians turned their backs on Russia.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Lead

. In 2011-2012 there was our Russian uprising in Latvia, many thousands of Russians rebelled, Latvians brutally suppressed

good afternoon
but you can be more detailed, even we don’t know anything about it

[Leading]

This is what is strange. Thousands of people took to the streets, Latvian fascist policemen beat people, handcuffed them and kept them like that for days in an unheated hangar. Many received criminal terms. But even Russia did not care about the Russians. I don't think any country would abandon its compatriots in such a situation, but even in the Russian news, there was little talk of "riots." And now they don’t speak much, so I periodically hear from stupid Russians “they live in a foreign country - let them learn the language and speak it.” But when Russia needs support on the world stage, and the Russian diaspora could have its say - and then there is no diaspora. And the same stupid Russians are outraged why they support Ukraine.
Amendments to the country's constitution, which would give the Russian language the status of a second state language, were to be approved by 50% of all citizens of Latvia with the right to vote in a referendum. Since Russians were deprived of the right to vote for the Russian language, the result was predictable.
As a result, almost 75% of the Latvians who took part in the referendum on February 18, 2012, voted against, and the amendments to the constitution were rejected.

[Svarog]

Yes, the US is actively heating up the situation. Life becomes more fun .. but if you get into a fight, you need to go to the end, without the knowledge of NATA, Lithuania is not capable of this .. They really want to unleash the world .. but are we ready, without nuclear weapons? I'm sure not .. which means the question is already about the application ..

[impostor]

so the question is already about the application

The bald commander of the Luftwaffe spoke about this the other day

[16112014nk]

Quote: Vlodek

Blockade to blockade.

In 1990, one "labeled" driver declared a blockade of Lithuania - they blocked oil, gas, food supplies. But then all this blockade leaked. Willpower was not enough. Therefore, these limitrophes are cast out. They think it will work this time.
I hope that this time, if anything, the Russian Federation will have enough willpower.

[Semenov]

A corridor across the entire Baltic to our city of Western tsars, and don't forget Poland! Only genocide will save them. An eye for an eye!

[Arkady007]

Here it is necessary to consider the entire Baltic at once. They are all interdependent, all beggars.

[nordscout]

Lithuania is a Baltic limitrophe living on financial "handouts" from the EU and the US. Industry has been destroyed, agriculture is in the "corral", the population of the country "does not hold on" to its republic, preferring emigration to the EU. How can one "survive" in such conditions - "barking" loudest of all because of NATO - the "fence" on Russia, shitting her, in all corners - maybe the EU + US will "notice" and "poured more into the dog bowl". Indeed, in this state of affairs, in the economy of the republic, demographics - there is nothing more to hope for - you bark louder - the "owner" will throw more grubs into the bowl .... And Russia, with these Lithuanian scum, is still trying to "scuff its leg", to undertake diplomatic exhortations and other "diplomatic curtsy". Lithuania, as well as the EU as a whole, normal, respectful relations, as they did not understand, so far. and they don’t understand .... Such, and others like them, are taught only with a fist, with brute force. This is THAT they quickly learn, and become predictable, very understanding and respectful of the "owner of the fist." Maybe it's time to make it clear to all these proud and arrogant that the world is now settling down in a new way, that it is POSSIBLE and SHOULD get along with Russia, only respectfully, predictably and understandably, observing international decorum, treaties, agreements, diplomatic "polites" finally .. And to "make it clear" to Lithuania is to "break through" (for all eternity) the Suvlkovsky corridor. And Russia will be happy .....

[meandr51]

First, communications will be turned off, riots and separatists will be turned on.

[Albert Brecht]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: Zaurbek

They don't differ much. All in one face. Lithuania is Lithuania.

Then what's the difference, let's bomb Estonia.

No, it’s better to wait with Estonia, Paldiski is there, and also the Dome Cathedral, listen to the organ, have a cup of coffee (kakava and tea are also suitable)

[agoran]

Dome Cathedral in Riga, listened to the organ concert, not bad.
Paldiski - Moremans, military port. Emari is an air force base.
But I like the idea of ​​pre-gouging. Yes, Estonian vodka is crap, like fried sauerkraut, it stinks, you could feel it from Baltiyam.

[opuonmed]

well, then it is necessary to break through the corridor of another path; they do not leave if they launch a nuclear strike on our troops, then World War 3 nuclear will begin!

[Ozark]

I'm American, and I saw an ultimatum. This is similar to the division of Berlin, except for all of the posturing and fighting going on. And I haven't seen hardly anything about this yet in the American MSM.

[belly]

Quote from Ozark

I'm American, and I saw an ultimatum. This is similar to the division of Berlin, except for all of the posturing and fighting going on. And I haven't seen hardly anything about this yet in the American MSM.

O! And we forgot about the Berlin crisis here ... It really looks like it was really badly decided.

[certero]

Quote: frruc

mikh-korsakov: no ultimatum - only a protest that the Lithuanians will wipe themselves with.

The demand of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation is legal and understandable. Let's look at the body movements of Lithuania.

In place of Lithuania, I would simply send the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in three letters. Because we have already promised strikes against decision-making centers. What measures will Russia take? Will they make another strong protest?

[hohohol]

Another ultimatum, to which few people pay attention, they don’t even laugh at it anymore. It is not necessary to put forward ultimatums, but to deal with specifics. For example, to block all Lithuanian ports under the pretext of conducting naval exercises for two months, or arrange a search for all ships heading to / from Lithuania, terrorists are on board, but what, it happens.

[agoran]

I lived in the Baltic states for many years, Lithuanians were always more adequate than Latvians and Estonians.
It is not clear why such a stupid decision was made.
The Russian Federation will solve all issues. This is not the first time Vilnius has tried to mess things up.
The rumors that gas transit will be blocked, the LNG terminal in Baltiysk, the rumors about the blockade of electricity, 3 new thermal power plants in the Kaliningrad region.
Here Lithuania loses money for transit. 30% of electricity is received in transit through the Republic of Belarus from the Russian Federation.
Yes, there is a lot that can be done purely economically without military intervention.

[Vasyan1971]

Russia delivered an ultimatum to Lithuania, declaring that it has the right to protect its interests, which were blatantly violated by Vilnius.

- What is an “ultimatum”?
- They will beat you. ©

[Mitia68]

But nuclear war is already close.
The prediction comes true.

And we, as a victim of aggression, we, as martyrs, will go to heaven, and they will simply die

[Garris199]

And what will happen next when we are silently sent away? Will the Baltic Front (oh, there is no such thing, as well as none at all) go on the attack? By what means will we force it, given the interesting fact that Lithuania is a NATO member?

[cooper]

They will express another concern and dry themselves off. Damn, I’m so fed up with the toothlessness and indecisiveness of our leadership...

[Dikson]

wow.. another ultimatum! Have they even drawn a line, a red line?! How without a line?! Concern, again, must be expressed, disappointment... Nothing will happen. The Baltic Fleet is even funnier than the Black Sea.. No one will fight with Lithuania, even if they really want to.. They didn’t start with Poland? And they won’t start with Lithuania.. There aren’t enough hats to throw over Ukraine, and then there are bolts through which tank wedges should make a corridor to Kaliningrad.. No.. nothing will happen..

[Tarasios]

"near future" is a very vague wording

[Igor K]

How long? That way they will soon line up to kick the bear.

[iz odessy]

all this sucks, clearly another American test on “red lines”. Sitting 10 km away, they are drawing Russia and Europe into the “war” mode through dwarf quasi-states. Lithuanians, completely normal guys, will become American test meat. Are there any other armored trains?

[anclevalico]

Since high-ranking officials of our political establishment have repeatedly been caught making useless threats, such as “attacks on decision-making centers,” the new horror story will cause nothing but a smile, neither here nor there.

[valentine light]

Why do the Lithuanians take a hostile position, carry out logical measures to improve the skills of transferring NATO troops to our borders, and Russia should supply them with electricity and liquefied gas?

[Reserve buildbat]

Throw out their “diplomats” by the FSB as soon as possible, so that they fly out empty-handed. Then launch a missile strike on Vilna and warn that since they staged aggression against Russia, they may find themselves buried in the ground without the help of shovels.
...Dreams...