Surrender and captivity: more and more groups of militants leave the Azovstal plant in Mariupol

Information about the ongoing surrender of militants at the Mariupol Azovstal plant is being confirmed. To the 265 militants who capitulated the day before, most of whom represent the Azov extremist formation banned in Russia, today more than 200 have been added.

Reports from Mariupol say that another 7 buses left the territory of the metallurgical enterprise, where the surrender of the Ukrainian garrison was carried out.

On the informal channel Deputy Minister of Information of the DPR Daniil Bezsonov presented photographs with captured Ukrainian militants who are in buses. On some buses - car numbers of the Rostov region. At the same time, as previously reported, the prisoners are taken to Yelenovka, on the territory of the pre-trial detention center, where Donetsk and Russian investigators work with them.

Transportation is carried out in escort mode, with security, including inside the buses. You can see that the militants have a lot of things with them - backpacks, bags.

Convoyed captured militants:

Today, during the day, Ukrainian troops hit the very Yelenovka with particular intensity from artillery, where the Azov militants * and other units that capitulated at the Mariupol metallurgical plant are brought.

The commander of the “Vostok” brigade of the DPR, Alexander Khodakovsky, reports that during the day, enemy groups of different sizes came out of the cellars of “Azovstal” to surrender: from 8 to 80 people. It is noted that militants first destroy their phones, because the memory of gadgets clearly contains evidence of numerous war crimes committed by militants. But the evidence for a trial (quite possibly open) is already enough. Therefore, the destruction of smartphones will not help capitulated militants to avoid trial in the DPR.

According to Alexander Khodakovsky, up to XNUMX militants can be released for surrender in a day.

Comments

[dorz]

There is such a legend from the history of the Great Patriotic War. Allegedly, having learned about the Nazi atrocities against Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya, Stalin ordered that no one from the 332nd regiment, commanded by Lieutenant Colonel Rüderer, be taken prisoner. It was the soldiers and officers of this regiment who tortured and executed Zoya.

Was Stalin's order or not, it is not known for certain. But the fact that the Soviet soldiers really did not take prisoners from the 332nd regiment is a real fact. The Soviet army twice almost completely destroyed the regiment. It was reformed, but in the end, in the 44th, it ceased to exist.

Here is what they wrote in the front newspaper:

“A few months ago, the 332nd Infantry Regiment, whose soldiers and officers brutally tortured Zoya, was marked on the sector of our front. Upon learning that they were facing the regiment of the executioner Rüderer, who had executed Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya, the soldiers swore not to leave alive any of the warriors of this In the battles near the village of Verdino, the German regiment of the executioners of our Zoya was finally defeated.Hundreds of Nazi corpses remained in the ruined bunkers and trenches.

When the captured non-commissioned officer of the regiment was asked what he knew about the execution of the young partisan, he, trembling with fear, stammered:
- It wasn't me, it was Rüderer, Rüderer...

Another soldier captured the other day during interrogation stated that in the 332nd regiment from those who were near Moscow, participated in the execution of Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya, only a few people survived ... "

[NIKN]

I wonder if those 200 in the refrigerator are NATO specialists, or will they be the last to come out? No matter how they should not be captured alive ...

[private person]

I wonder if those 200 in the refrigerator are NATO specialists, or will they be the last to come out? No matter how they should not be captured alive

Yes, something suggests that all this fuss with surrender is not easy, large fish will try to seep through the cordon or quiet down in the catacombs for a while. And these surrendered just extra mouths.

[fruc]

Some buses have license plates. Rostov region.

Buses have been removed from city routes. It is advisable to disinfect the salons after these cattle. They could have driven this herd on foot to Yelenovka.

[Baloo]

Quote: frruc

Some buses have license plates. Rostov region.

Buses have been removed from city routes. It is advisable to disinfect the salons after these cattle. They could have driven this herd on foot to Yelenovka.

screwed up, fighters ...

[Il'nur]

Buses

I don't understand why there are buses? The most suitable transport for these non-humans is a cattle truck! Everyone should know their place and get what they deserve, and these creatures do not deserve humane treatment ... Their fate: capitulation, captivity, disposal!

[Valnik]

Very similar to this. This whole operation with surrender is a game to the last to buy time. They will dig a tunnel / joke / or some other trick. Interestingly, the forecast for the number of surrendered will come true?

[flicker]

those 200 in the refrigerator, these are NATO specialists

Maybe it’s really interesting why they didn’t bury them, but kept them in a refrigerator?
By the way, there are about 2500 of them, Sladkov about the situation with the prisoners from Azovstal:
https://ok.ru/video/3470482606720

[Piramidon]

Quote: flicker

Maybe it’s really interesting why they didn’t bury them, but kept them in a refrigerator?

Maybe kept as canned food for a rainy day. Who knows what these thugs have in mind.

[flicker]

May have been kept as canned food for a rainy day

No, in this case they were alive (all the same, you don’t need to keep them), which they could have been sick for a rainy day

[Anachoret]

As promised by their unter-Azov at the very beginning)) "to the last drop of blood ..." courageously surrendered))

[Dkuznecov]

I apologize in advance for the offtopic.
On the same day, 10 kilometers from Petrishchevo,
in Golovkovo, Vera Voloshin was executed
("girl with an oar"), from the same group,
as Kosmodemyanskaya.
I graduated from the university named after her (Voloshina).

Unfortunately, the fate of the saboteur is unenviable.
And, in the case of DRG Voloshina and Kosmodemyanskaya,
it was a complete failure of the operation.
As well as in Volokolamsk,
with "twice executed".
My house is two hundred meters from the place of that execution,
willows under the crossbar were still alive in the 80s.

[Skif]

Good example. Successful.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Will there be enough specialized wagons and vehicles for them, that's what worries.

[Olezhek]

Sherlock Holmes to Leistred
why don't you use the new model of handcuffs?
Leistred to Sherlock
it would be someone to fasten ...

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

However, taking out even a few hundred people in handcuffs is already a difficult, non-traditional task. And here it is measured in thousands!

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

However, taking out even a few hundred people in handcuffs is already a difficult, non-traditional task. And here it is measured in thousands!

There is disposable plastic handcuffs

[Dikson]

No one puts handcuffs on them, look at the photo ... And in general .. what can an SVD fighter (like a security guard!) Do in a cramped bus with thirty hefty men if they decide to "get out"? Shout "stop, will I shoot?"

[Maks winter]

personally, something else worries me, no matter how these non-humans are released ...

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

That is unlikely!

[val_67]

I am not an expert in escorting, but ... SVD during escorting - is this normal? In my opinion, an automatic would be more convenient, perhaps?

[Svarog]

Quote from: val_67

I am not an expert in escorting, but ... SVD during escorting - is this normal? In my opinion, an automatic would be more convenient, perhaps?

I am also surprised by this fact .. and by the fact that the Natsiks have free hands ..

[Vovanych007]

Quote from: val_67

I am not an expert in escorting, but ... SVD during escorting - is this normal? In my opinion, an automatic would be more convenient, perhaps?

That was my first thought when I saw this photo... It is clear, of course, that the escort is not alone there... But the very fact of the presence of the SVD is surprising. Start moving there, SVD will not help.

[flicker]

Start moving there, SVD will not help.

For that, the BMP escort will help. Considering that all of them will quickly end without armor, in addition, they can shoot the rest, or not take new ones prisoner.

[Skipper]

I was also surprised .. but I have only one explanation .. when escaping from the bus into the field ... the easiest way is to remove the fugitive from the SVD.

[Kunica]

The Russian Guard has so many brand new paddy wagons, and inveterate bandits are being taken as if on auto excursions. As usual, everything is in one place. In this case, to place an escort in this crowd (whatever he was armed with) is a senseless risk to his life and health.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

I am sure that the column of buses was accompanied by serious escort and was the main guarantee against incidents.

[Tatyana Makarova]

//... they take you like on a car tour. As usual, everything is in one place.../
Are you jealous?
And here is the answer to VO to your doubts // I am sure that the bus convoy went with serious escort in which it was the main guarantee against incidents.

[Kunica]

I envy only two things: your logic and insight.

[Kunica]

I'm sure too. There was even a helicopter there, but this did not guarantee the safety of the escort with a rifle.

[gsev]

Quote: Marten

and inveterate gangsters are driven like on a car tour

They just show Ukrainians that they are not bullied and that their dignity is preserved. Why do ordinary Armed Forces officers escape from captivity? To be on the front lines again and risk being shot as a suspected traitor by an SBU officer embedded in the unit? The main thing is to separate the ideological Petliurists from normal people. The first to isolate and orphan to protect. The second can be given to work and earn. I think 20 percent will not refuse to continue serving in the PMC Wagner.

[Kunica]

And do they usually want to show the convicted, suspected and accused that they are mocked and despised when they are packed into a "funnel"?

[gsev]

Quote: Marten

do they usually want to show to the accused that they are being mocked and despised when they are packed into a "funnel"?

I witnessed how my classmate said to the teacher: "I can't join the Komsomol. I'm going to become a thief. But they don't take Komsomol members into thieves." I think the halo of criminals among Russian youth would have fallen greatly if thieves, bribe-takers, rapists were not only imprisoned, but also publicly flogged. It would be possible to give the teachers' council at the school and the commission for minors the right to flog juvenile hooligans. In Canada and the United States, for example, there is no organized terrorist. But in Canada, a simple teacher interviews students weekly and, based on the results of the survey, has the right to remove children from the family to a boarding school for re-education. Familiar representatives of the Afghan diaspora highly appreciated this way of education. Former militants at home who killed more than one person in Canada did not dare to cross the street at a red light.

[Kunica]

In Canada, their customs, in their homeland. The main thing is to adhere to the traditions of the area where you live and you will be fine. Not a boarding school, not a prison, did not improve anyone morally, but only taught to be more cunning and resourceful. An outwardly "reeducated" graduate of such institutions is even more dangerous for society, because is a wolf in sheep's clothing. And about the flogging ... Will you go as an executioner? Probably the allowance will be good, all sorts of benefits and milk for harm.

[Third district]

Quote: gsev

They just show Ukrainians that they are not bullied and that their dignity is preserved.

Do you think any of them will appreciate it? Look at their arrogant faces in the photo. The fact that they were treated without particular severity will be perceived as our weakness and nothing else.

[Baloo]

Quote: Skipper

I was also surprised .. but I have only one explanation .. when escaping from the bus into the field ... the easiest way is to remove the fugitive from the SVD.

What if everyone runs?

[Baldoha]

And everyone will run (which is unlikely) - GP-25 helps a lot. But it is not put on the SVD, and on the Aksu too.

[Simple]

By the way, all these comments are read by "inmates" from Azovstal.

The first two groups left, the process began.
But they don't really have much to choose from.

[sniperino]

Quote: Skipper

when escaping from the bus into the field ... the easiest way is to remove the fugitive from the SVD.

Most often there is a forest belt along the road. May interfere.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote from: val_67

I am not an expert in escorting, but ... SVD during escorting - is this normal? In my opinion, an automatic would be more convenient, perhaps?

Why risk having an escort with AK + 30 rounds in the cabin? If the banderlogs manage to capture the AK, then there will be more victims, and here the SVD with a magazine for 10 rounds, you won’t get much. You can see through the window, there is a cordon with machine guns outside the bus.

[riwas]

If the banderlogs manage to capture the AK, then there will be more victims, and here the SVD with a magazine for 10 rounds, you won’t get much. You can see through the window, there is a cordon with machine guns outside the bus.

They showed in the news a militiaman with a mosquito checks cars.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: riwas

If the banderlogs manage to capture the AK, then there will be more victims, and here the SVD with a magazine for 10 rounds, you won’t get much. You can see through the window, there is a cordon with machine guns outside the bus.

They showed in the news a militiaman with a mosquito checks cars.

Well, he is not the only one who checks, but most likely is one of inspectors, while others insure him. The weapon is stock.

[Prometey]

Quote from: val_67

I am not an expert in escorting, but ... SVD during escorting - is this normal?

It also immediately caught my eye. No - not normal. SVD is generally not suitable for close combat. There must be a short

[tralflot1832]

The FSB knows how to stab with us. And military translators, this is generally an elite.

[svoit]

Quote: tralflot1832

The FSB knows how to stab with us. And military translators, this is generally an elite

Everyone needs an individual approach and there is a lot of time, and there are not so many good trackers to credit almost 7 thousand

[Leshak]

Finally, this sitting in the crypt will end. The troops will go to liberate other settlements. And these shaitans, I hope, will be rewarded to each according to their deserts.

[bober1982]

I. Kiva correctly assessed the surrender of these fighters, namely, this will cause a domino effect among those Ukrainian units that are in the cauldron near Severodonetsk and Lysichansk.

[Odysseus]

Quote: bober1982

I. Kiva correctly assessed the surrender of these fighters, namely, this will cause a domino effect among those Ukrainian units that are in the cauldron near Severodonetsk and Lysichansk.

Well, Kiva is a well-known "Russian patriot". In reality, the opposite is true.
1) So far, only the uryakalok have the ring. In reality, you need to take Gorskoye and at least Kamykhevata for operational encirclement. About the full and say nothing.
2) The sad media example of Mariupol says that you can kill Russians and civilians as much as you like, and then they will rush with you like with a written sack, arrange "humanitarian corridors". In the worst case, they will be taken prisoner, they will be treated and fed.

[bober1982]

Quote: Odyssey

Well, Kiva is a famous "Russian patriot"

Here, on the site, these "Russian patriots" and "couch strategists" are more than abundant, at least a dime a dozen. Why find fault with him.

[Hermit]

They will not be captured, but rescued, evacuated from the danger zone.

[gsev]

Quote: Odyssey

In the worst case, they will be taken prisoner, they will be treated and fed.

A priori, a person should count on humanism. An identified war criminal can and should be severely punished, provided that he actually committed the crimes. Zelensky and the CIA are afraid of Russian humanism towards prisoners. Kolomoisky's sadistic punishers are only afraid of the inevitability of punishment.

[Old sergeant]

Still, information about the surrender of the Azov people would reach the Ukrainian fighters.
Try to encrypt such news there.
And on the other hand, where are they, if they start handing over their weapons in thousands.

[Negruz]

They need buses with the symbols of the Second World War and St. George ribbons to fit ....
To, so to speak, start the "exorcism" already on the road....

[Hermit]

They will start writhing so that they will not be able to enter the bus

[Kesha1980]

the prisoners are taken to Yelenovka, on the territory of the pre-trial detention center, where Donetsk and Russian investigators work with them.

And we have so many investigators?
Involve local ordinary residents, even those who are not familiar with the Code of Criminal Procedure - you look and the process will accelerate)

[vitvit123]

You may not be in a hurry. . The most important thing is to "place" them in their places ..

[Bolt cutter]

militants have a lot of things with them

On ukroresurs (!) They wrote that the military of the beaver was marooned in Mariupol - from jewelry and exchangers with banks to sporting goods. Pharmacies are a separate story.

[alexey sidykin]

And you don’t admit that you can sit next to the PKK at all ...

[dnestr74]

Seasoned killer wolves, these are no longer people ...

[Rage66]

Quote: Svarog

Quote from: val_67

I am not an expert in escorting, but ... SVD during escorting - is this normal? In my opinion, an automatic would be more convenient, perhaps?

I am also surprised by this fact .. and by the fact that the Natsiks have free hands ..

Psychology... In a bus with a couple of escorts - alive. You touch the guards - dead.
Did you watch the passage of the Nazis in Moscow? Did you figure out how many prisoners per guard?

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

There, the problem of friend or foe did not stand, but here most of them are in Russian, as they say in their native language, however.

[Nalim]

In the DPR and LPR, where most likely the militants will be tried, there is no moratorium on the death penalty. On the territory of the Russian Federation, where there is this moratorium, “life-sentencers” are not needed in such numbers, so this is an extra guarantee that the court will be “on the spot”.
Therefore, all these carcasses in military uniforms are waiting for "gutting", after which some of them are disposed of with a bullet in the back of the head (sorry, not with a noose!), And the other part of these creatures, perhaps a smaller one, will restore what they destroyed - 10,15, XNUMX years ... in general, as long as it takes.
I think that "smartphone burners" are well aware of what awaits them, so they will "turn inside out" in order to please the new government and save their, in general, useless lives.

[Odysseus]

So, what do we have in reality at the moment?
1) The announced surrender of the entire garrison of the plant by the morning of today did not take place.
2) They do not officially recognize captivity, but they talk about the fulfillment of a combat mission and are confident in the exchange.
3) The notorious high-ranking foreign advisers have so far vanished into thin air.
Now from the positive.
4) The chorus of voices of outright traitors resounding yesterday that it is necessary to change the wounded Azovites for ours is somewhat more orderly. The State Duma is even going to adopt a certain statement on this issue tomorrow. However, it is not binding on anyone.
5) The main problem for the next "cunning plan" is Maidan Ukraine itself. They are already preparing a meeting for the Azov people. And therefore, as if behind the scenes, the Azov people were not given away, the Bandera people would still merge all the secret agreements. And if the criminal agreement with the UN with the release through humanitarian corridors, after which the Azovites gave a press conference in Kyiv, was somehow suppressed inside the Russian Federation, then it will not be possible to conceal information here.

[Kesha1980]

We will watch, time will tell - whether we are fighting the Nazis or "dancing incomprehensible dances" / treating, feeding and changing.

[Odysseus]

Quote: Kesha1980

We will watch, time will tell - whether we are fighting the Nazis or "dancing incomprehensible dances" / treating, feeding and changing.

So what is there to watch when we have been arranging "humanitarian corridors" for a month now and offer to surrender 150 times (instead of once, as it should have been done). Now we are treating and feeding. This sad reality cannot be changed.
The only question is about the exchange - it is necessary to ensure that the Azov never exchanged
PS By the way, according to official reports, 251 people surrendered yesterday, today -200. There are 2500 of them in total. It is easy to calculate that they will only give up at such a pace for 10 days. On their part, this will be an excellent media move - the surrender will turn into a farce, and our group will stand. This also cannot be allowed.

[Kesha1980]

Yes, there is a feeling that we have little. But I am a bit of an optimist - I hope that our leadership will not merge so clearly. Tactical misses and so enough. But the exchange of Azov people will be a strategic failure. Big crap.
We can only hope and hope.

[Odysseus]

Quote: Kesha1980

We can only hope and hope.

Why only hope? Public opinion is much more important in Russia than is commonly thought. If you do not allow to hide information and make the very idea of ​​exchanging ghouls from Azov as toxic as possible, this will make it extremely difficult to negotiate. The same defeat near Belogorovka became known literally thanks to several people. Officially, of course, everyone was silent, but as for the ukrov overcame, you never know how many of these wins they had, 8 out of 10 of which are really virtual.
Thanks to the publicity (which faced desperate resistance), it was possible to pinch the tail of several freaks who put more than a battalion there and, most importantly, to get attention to correcting obvious problems.

[Sarboz]

Quote: Odyssey

Thanks to the publicity (which faced desperate resistance), it was possible to pinch the tail of several freaks who put more than a battalion there and, most importantly, to get attention to correcting obvious problems.

And who was pinned down, which battalion commander of the Armed Forces of Ukraine? Were they all at the meeting in Dnepropetrovsk?

[Odysseus]

Quote: Sarboz

And who was pinned down, which battalion commander of the Armed Forces of Ukraine? Were they all at the meeting in Dnepropetrovsk?

What battalion commander of the Armed Forces of Ukraine? What is Dnepropetrovsk? What are you talking about ?
We are talking about those of our "military leaders" who arranged such a "crossing". Sorry, of course, but if you are not able to perceive an elementary text in Russian, and you have to chew it, then why do you enter into conversations on adult forums? Yes, even the military.
P/S. I saw your message that the photo of our burned-out BTG at the crossing is an "information war". After that, the questions why you are not able to perceive an elementary text in Russian have disappeared from me. There are no more questions for you.

[Sarboz]

Quote: Odyssey

Sorry, of course, but if you are not able to perceive an elementary text in Russian, and you have to chew it, then why do you enter into conversations on adult forums? Yes, even the military.

And you shouldn’t be rude to a veteran, even though you apparently consider yourself in authority here. I didn't give you a reason to be condescending.
If you don’t understand the sarcasm about the Armed Forces of Ukraine commanders who laid down their battalions in the defense of the crossing, I’ll repeat my question.
What kind of "freaks" did you manage to pinpoint and can you give a link to the source of such a reliable and important insight? At the same time, tell me, is there evidence that it was Russian equipment that was destroyed there. At least evidence that most of that equipment is Russian.
By the way, it is very strange for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, given their love for photo shoots against the background of our battered equipment, that so far not a single similar picture has appeared near Belogorovka. Was there a win?

[Nastia makarova]

Yes, yes, but they already admitted that this is a fake, no, of course, there is our damaged equipment there, but 70% is the damaged equipment of the VSU, except for one short video, there is nothing, if the VSU was hit, they would shoot hour-long videos from the drones

[Sarboz]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

Yes, yes, but they have already recognized that this is a fake,

And citizen Odysseus will not understand. This is not a bar business. I could not answer a simple question, however, I was not too lazy to return and sketch out the minuses for both me and you.
By the way, his statement that some "military commanders" of the RF Armed Forces allowed the "rout near Belogorovka", putting "more than a battalion there", and also that "it was possible to pinch the tail of several freaks" (he is talking about officers of the Russian army), may be the basis for initiating a criminal case under Art. 207.3 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. Maybe the moderators of the site should pay attention to this.

[Nastia makarova]

write a complaint

[Sarboz]

Quote: Odyssey

I saw your message that the photo of our burned-out BTG at the crossing is an "information war". After that, the questions why you are not able to perceive an elementary text in Russian have disappeared from me. There are no more questions for you.

And I have questions for you. But you do not want to be responsible for your words. You are spreading information that contradicts the official one. You make serious accusations against the officers of the Russian Armed Forces, and also claim that these officials of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation suffered some kind of punishment for these criminal acts. I would like to know the basis of the information you disseminate.

[Third district]

Probably something to prove, it's useless here. Judging by my long-standing observations and little practical experience, there are a lot of guardian trolls here on the forum. Their tactics are the same everywhere on all resources. If the opinion contradicts the general line and the opponent has nothing to answer, then you will immediately be called an all-weather or Ukrainian, or an agent of the State Department or bulk (the latter has now become irrelevant).

[Negruz]

4) The chorus of voices of outright traitors resounding yesterday that it is necessary to change the wounded Azovites for ours is somewhat more orderly.
5) And if the criminal agreement with the UN with the release through humanitarian corridors, after which the Azov people gave a press conference in Kyiv, was somehow suppressed inside the Russian Federation

This text is similar to Strelkov's rallies against the transfer of the Kuril Islands, which no one was going to transfer, and the struggle of an enterprising citizen on Nevsky with crocodiles that are not found there ....

[Negruz]

Hospade, what is this?

[Odysseus]

Quote: Negruz

Hospade, what is this?

This is a press conference of the Azov people after the "humanitarian corridor". They managed, according to them, to withdraw more than 30 people. At least 7 showed.

[Negruz]

And, according to them...
Are you also supporting their information front?
Sponsored already chi no?

[Odysseus]

Quote: Negruz

And, according to them...
Are you also supporting their information front?
Sponsored already chi no?

Your messages, citizen, do not have any meaningful character and do not make any sense - Strelkov, crocodiles., Attempts to distort the Russian language by asking rhetorical questions. Apparently, you think that this is ironic and should somehow refute or ridicule the interlocutor. Alas, you are wrong.
In essence, 7 people were shown, officially, they managed to be evacuated. About more than 30 people, this information is not from a press conference, but from their internal correspondence that appeared on an Italian TV channel. In their information front, this was just not used, which is logical - they still need to pull out the rest.
One can, of course, argue that all this is a lie, everything was filmed in the pavilions of Mosfilm and that these are not Azov people and that all their correspondence is also forged and, in general, require a certificate with 5 seals.

[Negruz]

This is Ukrainian.....
And the video is just part of the information war ...
By the way, you are her victim... And to become her, you didn't need 5 seals...

[Sarboz]

Quote: Negruz

And the video is just part of the information war ...
By the way, you are her victim...

That's right. And the photo of Belogorovka, about which Odysseus here breeds his Odyssey, is the same episode of the information war. But our dear "alarmists" take everything that is broadcast from the other side at face value.

[svoit]

Quote: Odyssey

This is a press conference of Azov residents after the "humanitarian corridor"

That is, there was no filtering, or it was formal, I remember during and after the Second World War, filtering took more than one month

[Odysseus]

Quote: svoit

That is, there was no filtering, or it was formal, I remember during and after the Second World War, filtering took more than one month

We are doing well with filtration. The issue is not in it, but in political agreements. That is, in your words, it was not in relation to some persons. Look, according to official Russian information, 3 civilians came out in 126 days. Of these, 57 people decided to stay in the DPR. That is less than half. 69 -decided to leave for Zaporozhye and further to Central and Western Ukraine. What do you think, what kind of peaceful "Mariupol residents" are they who, no one knows how, ended up in Azovstal and who decided to leave for Maidan Ukraine? Officially, these people were handed over to the UN and the Red Cross. And what kind of peaceful people for whom even the UN Secretary General came to Moscow. You can, of course, stubbornly and stupidly deny everything, saying that all these are peaceful Donetsk patriots seeking to look at Lviv, but this does not cancel the general meaning.
All these dances with endless truces, "humanitarian corridors", and now with the release of captivity when the Azov people set conditions for us (for example, not to withdraw) and with the prospect of an exchange, as such a "patriot" as the commander of the East Khodakovsky is talking about, is simply criminal in relation to to Russia.

[Bolt cutter]

This is a press conference of the Azov people after

The same video can be made in London for 2 cases of vodka (without a stump - it will be more difficult to find).

and further to Central and Western Ukraine.

Most likely they think that in Germany they will be fed fatter.

[Mikhail Alekseev_2]

yes everything is clear in reality)))
1. there was no announcement of the surrender of EVERYONE in one day. I read everywhere about 250-300 from the very beginning. Now Khodakovsky writes that they come out in groups - from 7 to 80 people. In any case, this is better than the whole crowd coming out - then there would definitely have been a provocation - they could have fought and tried to leave in part. So they will take prisoners in parts.
2. They can at least officially admit that they are astronauts and go to land on spaceships, and not captured))) Confidence in the exchange is good - I think they were specially warmed up this confidence in order to give up quickly. Well, what will happen next - you have to look, their confidence will decrease by 1000 percent in a week after talking with specialists)))
3. The notorious high-ranking foreign advisers have not vanished into thin air. So far, there are no radishes and viburnum either. Not all came out. These will either come out last, or shoot themselves (which I can’t rule out either), or they may try to sneak out in other places (which I wouldn’t want, I hope our people block everything tightly there). maybe they will continue to fight. Lots of options
so I don't see any negatives. There is no point in panic

[Piramidon]

You can see that the militants have a lot of things with them - backpacks, bags.

They screwed up somewhere.

[shapkin ushankin]

Surrendered by those who shot in the back trying to surrender ...

[gansales]

To the 265 militants who capitulated the day before, most of whom represent the Azov extremist formation banned in Russia, today more than 200 have been added.

We went well, but we need the main ones ...!!!!
Something reminded me of the situation from the movie ..

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Very appropriate!

[Sergey Kuzmin]

At the same time, as previously reported, the prisoners are taken to Yelenovka, on the territory of the pre-trial detention center, where Donetsk and Russian investigators work with them.

That's right - they are in jail!

[Cowbra]

I had to take it to the trash cans. A little bit － under pressure and in a landfill

[was-witek]

Where are our propagandists?? They can’t even organize and show captivity normally !! It's like evacuating civilians, not captivity! Show all muzzles in close-up, be sure to show on camera - in \ rank, last name, place of residence, everyone should have a white flag in their hand or hands uphill, and not bags with things ... Ukrainians must know their heroes ... Ukrainians they carry border posts behind them, and we can’t even imagine a favorable situation ..

[Dkuznecov]

(yawning) do you need to?
As Stalin told Ambassador Sikorsky about
evaporated 35 thousand Polish officers:
Stalin: - according to my information, they escaped.
crazed Sikorsky: what?? where could they run?
Stalin: - well ... most likely to Manchuria.

[Simple]

Quote: was-witek

, everyone should have a white flag in their hand or hands uphill, not bags of things ...

These are not "bags of things" but already "sidor".
Under some articles it would be wiser to disable comments.

[Dkuznecov]

There's an interesting guy in the second photo rides,
with a neck tattoo.
If I were in his place (God forbid, of course) I would not go.
That's what optimism means.

[Negruz]

It's five!)))

[Bolt cutter]

with a neck tattoo.

I saw such a girl in Paris with such a tattoo on her shoulder and with a black man in an embrace .

[Common sense]

Quote: NIKNN

I wonder if those 200 in the refrigerator are NATO specialists, or will they be the last to come out? No matter how they should not be captured alive ...

I’m interested in something else - they were bombed there with all calibers up to FAB-3000, and even industrial refrigerators still work for them?

[Simple]

Why not?

In principle, at a depth of 2 meters underground - already only five degrees.

[Bolt cutter]

even industrial refrigerators still work

They were built in compliance with Soviet GOSTs. A nuclear strike will survive.

[Common sense]

Quote: Odyssey

The announced surrender of the entire garrison of the plant by the morning of today did not take place.

Most likely by mutual agreement. They all need to be taken out from there under escort and so that no one escapes. Imagine if all 2500 crawl out of there at once. If the surrender has already begun, then in principle it is not so important in a day or a week that everything will happen, the main thing is that the process has begun.

[GNM]

It doesn’t look like they were starving there, they are traveling with backpacks and trunks, as if on a camping trip. It would be necessary to overshadow a little these well-fed, satisfied faces.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

After all, there was a normal idea to convert the Il-76 into a bomber. It would have turned out much better than the American B-52. Again, we were delayed with the implementation of a timely idea. Prompt with the project on time, this surrender would go faster.

[DenVB]

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

After all, there was a normal idea to convert the Il-76 into a bomber.

It's a good idea, but in this case it's not really necessary. We have enough bombers to bomb the entire Azovstal, including the bomb shelters. What is missing is political will. The commercial essence of our power is ineradicable.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Why is it not necessary or not essential? One IL-76 can drop as much as a pair of TU-22s, and this is a significant savings in time and money.

[DenVB]

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

One IL-76 can drop as much as a pair of TU-22s, and this is a significant savings in time and money.

Well, they don't quit. You see. There is no such problem - why dump on Azovstal. You can at least throw something heavy around the clock. But they don't quit. Why - no one understands.

[Nastia makarova]

graduate from military school and understand

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

The Tu-22 is a very expensive supersonic bomber, and it is wrong to risk it and waste its engine life when performing tasks that a more versatile and more cargo-carrying aircraft can handle.

[Gunther]

Quote: bober1982

... What to him
carp.

What's the point of "quitting" here?
kiva is a banderlozhina, on which there is no place to put stamps, which more than once in the video demanded to "roll Rusnya into asphalt", which boasted that he organized the "right sector".
The fact that this pan is full of holes does not serve as an excuse for it (kiva).

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Well, gentlemen, investigators, prosecutors, investigators, don't let us down! All of Russia is now looking at you and waiting for a report! Water flowed through the pipes!

[VLAD-96]

Quote: frruc

They could have driven this herd on foot to Yelenovka.

Shackles and a train one after another on foot behind an armored personnel carrier to hook the leader and let them go on foot, whoever dies along the way, the easier it is, less security for him. With Creatures only so!

[Mikhail Alekseev_2]

I watched the video in the cart - I laughed))) Again, who will not be asked from those leaving - where did you serve? - everyone answers - sometimes as a driver, sometimes as a cook)))) there are quite a lot of women - they need to be checked specifically, according to their appearance and well-fitted clothes - they pull calmly on snipers. I hope ours will thoroughly wool and in another week they themselves will spread everything on each other in the hope of an exchange or a shorter period, or in general so that they don’t put up against the wall

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Do not even hesitate, the competent authorities have repeatedly proved that they are truly competent.

[VBH]

As for free hands, beautiful buses and trunks - it seems to me that there is nothing to complain about: there will be no way to say that they were treated badly, because everything is visible. Yes, and the prisoners are psychologically harder: they were told that when they met, their arms and legs would be torn off, and they were put with backpacks in an ordinary bus without handcuffs and taken to lunch. They simply cannot say anything bad, because here is a photo, here is a video, lies are useless. These shots will be played in any way at the UN, and anywhere else.

[iouris]

Quote: VBH

These shots will be played in any way at the UN, and anywhere else.

It is more important that they be watched in "cauldrons", otherwise they will be cooked.

[Naval]

There is no statute of limitations for war crimes. Those who escape the death penalty will have to restore the Donbass for a long time.

[sat2004]

Here you need to be careful. It is possible that medical experiments were carried out on those who surrendered using biological weapons.

[iouris]

I am sure that in the "controlled territory" they are shouting that "our lads have overcome", they left the dungeons with honor, and only on the direct order of the commander-in-chief, who personally coordinated everything with Badenko, Guttierres, the Red Cross and the Crescent (Turkey is with us! ), and the "Russian troops", after such a victory, were scared, demoralized and ready to capitulate.

[Sasha1979]

Take all this garbage to Donetsk. They really wanted to Donetsk. Let them get there. Until the verdict of the tribunal.

[GNM]

The Nazis did not apologize, they were not afraid, but they could not look us in the eye. The enemy at Azovstal began to surrender
Read on WWW.KP.RU: https://www.kp.ru/daily/27393/4588115/

... The strangers were all armed, however, machine guns were thrown behind their backs, pistols were in buttoned holsters. The "Azovites" reached the exit from the yard and stopped in some confusion. In front of them stretched the floodplain of the River, delightful in its greenery and width. And on the other side of Naberezhny Prospekt, the Sarmat restaurant nestled. Those who left the factory were, without exaggeration, shocked by the view. One of the strangers exhaled: "Oh, now would be a barbecue!". And I, looking at this cafe long closed because of the war, thought the same thing ...

An interesting article is how our soldiers communicated with the Azov people during mine clearing.
There is also a video.

[Rage66]

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

There, the problem of friend or foe did not stand, but here most of them are in Russian, as they say in their native language, however.

Adolf Hitler and Karl Liebknecht also spoke the same language. However...

[saygon66]

No, guys... something is wrong here!
“These are not Germans lousy in the basements ... Well-fed, cleanly dressed, confidently holding on ... They obviously do not feel fear - otherwise they would cut their partaks to raw meat!”
- And they should have been cowardly in anticipation of their fate - if you believe that there is a "wall" for everyone there. We are sure that they will jump off ... Why?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: saygon66

if you believe that there is a "wall" for everyone there.

If the wall had been secured, no one would have climbed out.

[saygon66]

That is, they have nothing to fear, in your opinion?

[Mordvin 3]

The West will work for them. And it's better to sit in a prison with pasta than to starve underground.

[saygon66]

HIV, hepatitis or tuberculosis is a bad seasoning for pasta .... And with a long stay in prison, this is almost the norm ...

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: saygon66

HIV, hepatitis or tuberculosis is a bad seasoning for pasta .... And with a long stay in prison, this is almost the norm ...

Yes, much better than starving to death in the catacombs. Yes, and all sorts of human rights representatives with red crosses will make sure that they do not pick up

Quote: saygon66

HIV, hepatitis or tuberculosis

[Bolt cutter]

HIV, hepatitis

In prison, the diseases of injection drug addicts and connoisseurs of same-sex love . Don’t stick it where you don’t need to - and only be afraid of tuberculosis - Koch’s wand doesn’t care about conventions .

[Zack levy]

We are sure that they will jump off ... Why?

Because dill has something to answer. For example, the trial of Russian prisoners in The Hague broadcast to the whole world. Do we need it? Obviously there was some kind of exchange agreement. Savchenko was also exchanged after the verdict.

[saygon66]

Then why these furious cries about the destruction of the Nazis? Or "Nazis"? Now they are no longer an object of extermination, but an object of mutually beneficial bargaining ... They will be exchanged - they will avoid responsibility ... No point ...

[Zack levy]

Will be exchanged - will avoid responsibility

Savchenko also escaped responsibility and the world did not collapse. For that, two captured scouts were returned home.

[Negruz]

In The Hague? Again this secrecy?))

[Nastia makarova]

if they thought that they had a wall, they would not crawl out, but there is a chance that they will get a minimum

[Radical]

Quote: Balu

Quote: frruc

Some buses have license plates. Rostov region.

Buses have been removed from city routes. It is advisable to disinfect the salons after these cattle. They could have driven this herd on foot to Yelenovka.

screwed up, fighters ...

I agree, it's strange that they were allowed to have any things with them, especially in such volumes. Disorder however.

[Radical]

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

Will there be enough specialized wagons and vehicles for them, that's what worries.

This should not worry - there will be enough vehicles. It should be of concern that those who were captured by these ugly people will have enough will to judge them according to the laws of wartime, that is, after carrying out all the investigative actions, transfer them to the LDNR for trial over them, and, accordingly, a sentence .

[Radical]

Quote: Vovanych007

Quote from: val_67

I am not an expert in escorting, but ... SVD during escorting - is this normal? In my opinion, an automatic would be more convenient, perhaps?

That was my first thought when I saw this photo... It is clear, of course, that the escort is not alone there... But the very fact of the presence of the SVD is surprising. Start moving there, SVD will not help.

That's for sure, a shorter "barrel" will help, at least the AKS-74u "Modern".

[Gvardeetz77]

For 2 months of sitting in burrows and according to their latest stories "free" about two glasses of industrial water per day per person, they look very fresh. Almost everyone is cut, shaved, if with a beard, then like from a barbershop, not very dirty, not at all like the fascists of 42-43 from near Stalingrad ... Unfortunately, then these photo-videos in Ukraine and the West can be shown with comments "not broken in spirit, who did not sink to the level of animals, they simply complied with the order to surrender, otherwise they could have been "zahisniki" of Mariupol for another 350 years "...

[Simple]

Quote: Gvardeetz77

Unfortunately, later these photo-videos in Ukraine and the West can be shown with the comments "not broken in spirit, not descended to the level of animals, they simply obeyed the order to surrender, otherwise they could have been "zahisniks" of Mariupol for another 350 years"...

On the media at the "sides" and calculation.
True, you will have to choose between suicidal PR and your own essence.
In the second case, there is an opportunity to repent before the people they terrorized for eight years.

[Bolt cutter]

in Ukraine and the West they can show with comments "not broken in spirit, not downcast

Already show the victory of unbroken underground cyborgs Only the ukers themselves no longer believe, yelling that it’s bad.

[Radical]

Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke

I am sure that the column of buses was accompanied by serious escort and was the main guarantee against incidents.

Well, yes, there are several armored vehicles in the photo, incl. BTR-82, however, there is no one on the armor, the batr is at the end of the column, instead of turning it on somewhere in the center, with a landing party on board, with the task of controlling those who are on the buses and taking action in time case of excesses on the part of prisoners.

[Simple]

I think the most unreliable people were loaded into military police paddy wagons.
Do you seriously think that the options for an escape attempt are not forgiven?

By the way, there is a possibility that this site is read by "inmates" from Azovstal.

[Cowbra]

They also say that while the stomach is not accustomed to human food, they feed chappie and whiskey. Sugar given to the wounded

[Cowbra]

Quote: Radikal

and in time to take action in case of excesses on the part of prisoners

There are even fighters sitting inside the buses. Yes, they should run like the Germans near Stalingrad - to the nearest local, and there they will drown them in the toilet with a brick on the head

[Radical]

Quote: Odyssey

So, what do we have in reality at the moment?
1) The announced surrender of the entire garrison of the plant by the morning of today did not take place.
2) They do not officially recognize captivity, but they talk about the fulfillment of a combat mission and are confident in the exchange.
3) The notorious high-ranking foreign advisers have so far vanished into thin air.
Now from the positive.
4) The chorus of voices of outright traitors resounding yesterday that it is necessary to change the wounded Azovites for ours is somewhat more orderly. The State Duma is even going to adopt a certain statement on this issue tomorrow. However, it is not binding on anyone.
5) The main problem for the next "cunning plan" is Maidan Ukraine itself. They are already preparing a meeting for the Azov people. And therefore, as if behind the scenes, the Azov people were not given away, the Bandera people would still merge all the secret agreements. And if the criminal agreement with the UN with the release through humanitarian corridors, after which the Azovites gave a press conference in Kyiv, was somehow suppressed inside the Russian Federation, then it will not be possible to conceal information here.

Respect buddy, I've been talking about these things for a long time, but there are believers here, in the sense of those who believe in the wisdom of the leader - well, not in the Azov people (banned in the Russian Federation), should they be written down? Sorry for the lost...

[Radical]

Quote: Simple

I think the most unreliable people were loaded into military police paddy wagons.
Do you seriously think that the options for an escape attempt are not forgiven?

By the way, there is a possibility that this site is read by "inmates" from Azovstal.

As for the control of the site - everyone "reads" it! Inside the country - public services, outside - interested .... And as for the escape options - judging by what I saw in the official reports, there are not enough measures to suppress, but this is a personal perception.

[Simple]

The column with captured Ukrainian troops was accompanied by a combat helicopter.
https://t.me/NeoficialniyBeZsonoV/13236






and another link:
https://www.kp.ru/daily/27393/4588115/

[alien]

“As a result of the unpromising adventure of the Kyiv regime, 26 Ukrainian tanks, 12 infantry fighting vehicles and about 100 militants. "
https://t.me/mod_russia/15817

(These losses in one day for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, along with the surrender at Azovstal, mean one thing - Repin’s painting “Sailed”. After such a shame (26 tanks!), You need to be KAMIKAZE to go on the attack ...)

Alexander Boroday:
AS KNOWN FROM PSYCHOLOGY, THE MORE A PERSON RESISTS IN HIS ILLUSIONS, THE MORE BRUTAL EFFORTS LIFE WILL MAKE TO DESTROY THEM. UNFORTUNATELY FOR THE UKRAINIAN POPULATION, THEIR ILLUSIONS ARE SUPPORTED AT THE INTERNATIONAL LEVEL, THEREFORE THE DESTRUCTION OF ILLUSIONS HAPPENS IN A PRETTY BRUTAL WAY. THE SAME AMERICAN "SOFT POWER" THAT PROMOTES WESTERN DISCOURSE TO THE HEADS OF CONQUERED COUNTRIES WITH THE HELP OF SOCIAL NETWORKS AND FALSE MEDIA DESTROYS SO MANY LIVES.

OVER TIME, REAL LOSS DATA WILL BE HARDER TO HIDE. A BEAUTIFUL PICTURE IN THE MEDIA CANNOT BE DISCONNECTED FROM REAL LIFE FOR INFINITELY LONG.
https://бородай.рф/сми/уничтожение-живой-силы-противника-в-п/

[Crisp]

Quote: private person

I wonder if those 200 in the refrigerator are NATO specialists, or will they be the last to come out? No matter how they should not be captured alive

Yes, something suggests that all this fuss with surrender is not easy, large fish will try to seep through the cordon or quiet down in the catacombs for a while. And these surrendered just extra mouths.

And what, is it only those present here who are smart and prudent? And in the fields they don’t think to comb where these nonhumans came from, for verification? Not sticking your head into suspicious holes, but offering gifts to the dark in the form of grenades and grenade launchers?

[TatarinSSSR]

The devils crawled out from behind all the cracks ... To everyone who participated and to everyone who helped in the battle for Mariupol - low bow and glory! History will write about you, textbooks in schools will tell about you. To all participants of the CBO low bow! (except for some commanders-providers)

[Radical]

Quote: Simple

The column with captured Ukrainian troops was accompanied by a combat helicopter.
https://t.me/NeoficialniyBeZsonoV/13236






and another link:
https://www.kp.ru/daily/27393/4588115/

Watched, so what? Will a turntable chase every prisoner? It is good to replicate the formalism.

[Old_smoke]

Hello, hello, I'm new. Don't bite too hard. Opinion... Yes, everyone should go to the camps. Yes, cure it. And then exchange. If we save the life of at least one Russian guy in captivity, let him go to Azov, let him go to Natsik. Spit. We need to save the lives of our guys. The rest doesn't matter. They will still sing. But the lives of our guys are the most important thing.

[spektr9]

Well, you ride them comfortably on buses while their allies in the Belgorod region are naughty. After all, blowing up the exits and filling the remaining ones with water/gas is not our method, our method is to take care of them like babies

[Dikson]

.. “It’s still nice that they respect us here! - look, Sereg, they’re giving us a lift, look, they’re imprisoning us!”.. Ugh.. A circus and humiliation of the memory of our soldiers who died in Mariupol. - that’s what it is.. and - obvious agreements with the civilized world.. Does anyone think that such a peace-loving clownery will count? They will perceive it as weakness and willingness to make concessions.. That's all. It just feels like Budennovsky.. “Shamil Basaev, but you’re a smart person..” And then..- it was also necessary to hang the banners of military units on the buses.. and so that the girls in ribbons and embroidery would throw flowers on the buses.. Well, so that the UN would completely burst into tears with emotion.. Ugh again for this performance..

[Nastia makarova]

Aren't you used to this by now? then get used to it, then everything will be the same

[riwas]

Today, during the day, Ukrainian troops hit the very Yelenovka with particular intensity from artillery, where the Azov militants * and other units that capitulated at the Mariupol metallurgical plant are brought.

They think that the shelling will help the militants escape. There are more and more prisoners, we need to force them to work so that they don’t eat bread in vain. Stalin had everyone working to restore the national economy.

[Two]

They need to be assigned to the Donbass tribunal. No one has abolished the death penalty there. Otherwise everything is in vain! And our exchange fund has already gone well beyond 4 Ukrainian prisoners.

[Murat]

Then they will be brought to a confrontation with the fathers and mothers of the dead children. And the video recording of this confrontation will be sent to the leaders of NATO countries. With a note: THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING...

[Arnok]

Looking at these impudent, calm faces.
These “cooks” are busily packing luggage...
Guys, at least you can calm yourself down, but no.
Well, no one will shoot them. This is obvious, it seems to me.
You don't give up with people like that.

[Old_smoke]

I already wrote about this. The comment was not shared. I repeat. Change, change everyone, no matter who he is. By exchanging you will save at least two people - mother and son, and father too. Save any of our guys. Sorry for the rudeness.... Deb-lu, who will be against it, I can answer this way.. You say it, not to me, you tell it to his mother.,..