Mass production of the new combat uninhabited module BM-30-D Spitsa began in Russia

BM-30-D "Spitsa" on the armored car "Shot" 2021

Mass production of a new uninhabited combat module BM-30-D Spitsa (32V01) for armored vehicles has started in Russia. The development of BM and its assembly is carried out by the Central Research Institute "Burevestnik" (Nizhny Novgorod).

A video of the production of these combat modules at the facilities of Burevestnik appeared on the Web. It is reported that the module is intended for installation on KamAZ-43269 Shot (4x4) armored vehicles for escort and protection of special cargoes, as well as in lightweight form for K4386 Typhoon-VDV (4x4) armored vehicles. The installation of "Spokes" on other Russian armored vehicles is not ruled out.

The module is equipped with a 30 mm 2A42 automatic cannon, a 7,62 mm PKTM (6P7K) machine gun and an AG-30 automatic grenade launcher. A modern sight with television and thermal imaging channels and a laser rangefinder was installed. A lighter version of the module for "Typhoon-VDV" is produced without an automatic grenade launcher.

Armored vehicles KamAZ-30 Shot equipped with the BM-43269-D Spitz combat module were demonstrated at the Victory parades in Nizhny Novgorod in 2021 and 2022.

At the moment, the number of ordered combat modules and other details of the state order are unknown, the Ministry of Defense did not give official information regarding the BM-30-D "Spoke". So far it's all just guesswork. It is worth noting that the military special operation being carried out in Ukraine makes it possible to test a new uninhabited combat module in combat conditions. It is possible that armored vehicles equipped with "Spice" are already participating in hostilities, but without wide publicity.

Comments

[lucul]

The module is equipped with a 30 mm 2A42 automatic cannon, a 7,62 mm PKTM (6P7K) machine gun and an AG-30 automatic grenade launcher. A modern sight with television and thermal imaging channels and a laser rangefinder was installed.

Hmm. For an armored personnel carrier this is a lot, but for an infantry fighting vehicle this is not enough.
An armored personnel carrier asks for 20mm, and for an infantry fighting vehicle - a 40-45mm gun.
Although of course the thermal imaging channel is good.

[riwas]

The cornet would also be added as a universal fire weapon.

[Konnick]

Cornet would still be added as a universal fire weapon

Yes, let's stick everything there ... Arrow ... Needle ... Bassoon ... What else is there, and put four more eyes and a pair of hands on the gunner ..

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Escort and security vehicles are not designed against enemy heavy armored vehicles. And against light vehicles, a 30-mm automatic cannon should be enough.

[28st region]

How are these modules different from each other? All have practically the same weapons, the same sights. Some kind of stomping in place.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

The previous uninhabited combat modules were with 30-mm 2A72, a faster-firing 2A42 is also installed here.

[28st region]

Well, what is the gain? The same cartridge 30 * 165. No noticeable effect. Take Boomerang-BM also 2A42. Some flurry of these combat modules went off. They do not differ much from each other, except perhaps in the configuration.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

High rate of fire gives greater opportunities in shooting at air targets.

[28st region]

However cool. It is interesting at least one case of the use of these or similar guns mounted on armored vehicles (infantry fighting vehicles, armored vehicles ...) against air targets. I just wanted to know.

[wlkw]

Different weight, as I understand it. Not every module can be put on every car, the case will crack :-). So they make different versions of the same thing. On the other hand, unification is important.

[Alex777]

There are no such calibers in the Russian army.
There are 23mm, 30mm and 57mm. Enough.

[Hagalaz]

What are your contrived personal conclusions. On the BTR-82, the 30 mm cannon is very harmonious and has proven itself worthy. Where did you get such calibers, 40-45mm? There were no magpies at all, forty-five were not released from the Second World War.

[Evil 55]

And the recoil force of 2A42 at 5000 kgf will not tear off the combat vehicle? Indeed, in metal science there is such a thing as "fatigue".

[PROXOR]

Therefore, 82A2 was put on 72m. But there the gun suffers from the problem of sticking. And so for the armored personnel carrier is enough.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

I can’t say how it is now, but in ancient times the 2A42 had many problems, perhaps that is why the more reliable 2A72 appeared.

[stankow]

Escort vehicle - may not shoot the entire service. What kind of fatigue?

[PROXOR]

Quote: lucul

20mm is requested for an armored personnel carrier

Why are you not tired of 2A72 on the BTR-82A? Mariupol showed that the norms. They sew beautifully at home.

Quote: lucul

and on the BMP - 40-45mm gun

Posted in another thread. A new infantry fighting vehicle is required, ideally the T-15 chassis with the AU-220 module with the Chrysanthemum ATGM, or at least the Cornet. Well, and of course a remote detonation for 57mm ammunition. So you can do without AGS.

[lucul]

Why are you not tired of 2A72 on the BTR-82A?

Ammunition.

Mariupol has shown that the rules. They sew beautifully at home.

In buildings, yes, 30mm is good, but in an open field, and against the infantry, its ammunition load is not enough, because of the dimensions of the projectile, you can’t stuff it into an armored personnel carrier much.

[PROXOR]

I'll reveal a little secret. The gun on the BTR-82A is needed only for infantry. An armored personnel carrier should not fight at all, its main task is to deliver infantry to the battlefield, and if anything, spit in the direction of the enemy a couple of times while the infantry is dispersed. MBT and heavy infantry fighting vehicles should fight on the battlefield.

[Hypertension]

Quote: lucul

For an armored personnel carrier this is a lot, but for an infantry fighting vehicle this is not enough.

That's a lot for Athos, but too little for the Comte de la Fere...
Interestingly, the roof of the BPM "Vystrel" is stronger than that of the BTR-82A? After all, it is not in vain that a 2A72 cannon with a recoil impulse extended in time is put on an armored personnel carrier. So that the construction of relatively thin sheets of metal does not wrinkle.

[Stepych]

I do not know.
But since the beginning of the special operation, I have not seen vaunted typhoons, t-15s, etc. Only one old technique from BMP 1 to MT-LB
It is unlikely that right now she is in Ukraine

[faiver]

you didn’t look well, typhoons in Ukraine lit up, including, unfortunately, in a burnt form ...

[Anadyrean]

Only the equipment that does not participate in hostilities does not burn.

[faiver]

I disagree - only non-existent equipment does not burn ...

[Jarilo]

The weapon is a work of art, and they burned it. Barbarians.

[Trunk]

A good player at the beginning of the game does not enter with trump cards)

[Pravodel]

A good player at the beginning of the game does not enter with trump cards)

It all depends on the number of trumps...

[Konnick]

A good player at the beginning of the game does not enter with trump cards)

Even in a street fight, the first blow decides. It's not cards or even chess.

[sifgame]

I didn’t decide in the Second World War, this is not a street fight.

[Grits]

Quote: Stepych

But since the beginning of the special operation, I have not seen vaunted typhoons, t-15s, etc. Only one old technique from BMP 1 to MT-LB
It is unlikely that right now she is in Ukraine

By the way, "Shot" flashed in the photo in the NWO. I thought it was a sin that they were no longer being produced. And they are given a second life.

[good]

They are in service with missilemen and border guards in a certain amount, but not in this modification yet, although there are probably such in trial operation. This version will be more interesting, quite suitable for reconnaissance, patrolling, escort. The border guards in the western regions would definitely not hurt such an option now. The Federal Penitentiary Service also has a certain amount instead of an armored personnel carrier.

[Grits]

Quote: d0bry

They are in service with missilemen and border guards in a certain amount

even in Syria flashed several times. I already thought - they gave it there and left it there as unnecessary. I'm glad that Shot is still in production. The machine is inexpensive and simple, not like modern "bells and whistles"

[Zoldat_A]

A light version of the module for "Typhoon-VDV" is produced without an automatic grenade launcher.

Is this AG-30 really so heavy that it’s just a “lightweight version” right away? And we would need such an AG, I think, no less than the infantry, a good thing. Well, if the GP-25 served us well more than once, then I think this AG-30 would come in handy here.

I don’t know how it is in combat use, but outwardly it looks solid.
About 10 years ago, my son was still at school, he played "rider-shooters" on the computer. I saw similar "futuristic" things with him there.

[Vladimir 290]

don't forget about ammo

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Vladimir 290

AG-30

I don’t know how the automobile version is (when I served, the AGS had not yet been invented), but the AGS-30 with a drum weighs 30 kilograms. Let there be more ammunition, let there be some other bells and whistles - well, an increase of 200 kilograms. Is that too much for this kind of technology?
But the thing is good, it would be useful for the landing.

[Vladimir 290]

I believe that it is for the Airborne Forces that 200 kg of excess weight matter. And so, we have not seen the technical specifications and we do not know the requirements of customers.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Vladimir 290

I believe that it is for the Airborne Forces that 200 kg of excess weight matter.

If you drag on yourself, then, of course, they have.
For an armored car - neither when moving, nor during airborne landings - no.

[Vladimir 290]

for an airplane, the weight of the cargo is very important

[Zoldat_A]

IL-76 takes up to 60 tons (at a distance of up to 4000 km). I did not find a lot of these "Spokes", but it is unlikely that it is heavier than the BMD. Therefore, I think by weight BMD.
Two BMD - 27-28 tons. Even if these three "Spokes fit in," the load capacity margin is still very, very.
So an extra load of 400-600 kilograms, I think, is not "very important".

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Most likely, the remote drive of the automatic grenade launcher cannot be made strong enough and fit into the height dimensions for the landing requirements.

[Grits]

Quote: Zoldat_A

Is this AG-30 really so heavy that it’s just a “lightweight version” right away? And we would need such an AG, I think, no less than the infantry, a good thing. Well, if the GP-25 served us well more than once, then I think this AG-30 would come in handy here.

Indeed, for the sake of AG, 23 mm is also possible. install - would be enough for the eyes. Something our designers have some kind of mania lately for any equipment, even small ones - 30 mm. put the gun. Finally forgetting that there are 23 mm. and even 14 mm.

[good]

a line of 30s and the tank will stop and the building will be smashed, a good gun and ammunition are full of effective and selective 2 types of ammunition. Small guns can't do that.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: d0bry

a line of 30s and the tank will stop and the building will be smashed, a good gun and ammunition are full of effective and selective 2 types of ammunition. Small guns can't do that.

Yes, it's a good thing, no one argues.
Talk about AG-30. Well, it’s not so heavy that for the Airborne Forces you need to make a “lightweight” version without it?

[Grits]

Well, after all, an armored car is not a tank at all. He doesn't have the same tasks. It's like attaching a body from a dump truck to a Zhiguli.

[Sailor]

It is interesting for air targets such as a helicopter and a drone can work?

[Zorro21]

The 30 mm 2A42 cannon is used on airplanes and helicopters. Therefore, of course, it can work on air targets, 2000 - 2500m range. And if there are special projectiles with remote detonation integrated with a laser rangefinder, then very high quality.

Quote: Stepych

But since the beginning of the special operation, I have not seen vaunted typhoons, t-15s, etc.

Any technique has its own resources. Therefore, the old one goes to the East, anyway, it's time to write it off, it is not necessary to carry out serious repairs after mines and fragments. And combat tests of new weapons do not imply mass use and media coverage, especially since photos and videos obtained from test results for another 10 years will be classified.

[Nikolaevich I]

"Spoke" is good to eat! But isn't it time for our military-industrial complex to aim at the development and production of combat modules with missile launchers integrated into them? After all, the time must come when it will be “uncomfortable” (“almost”, according to the phrase “The same Munchausen” ...) even for exercises without missiles!

[Konnick]

Armored vehicles KamAZ-30 Shot equipped with the BM-43269-D Spitz combat module were demonstrated at the Victory parades in Nizhny Novgorod in 2021 and 2022.

Oh, these parades ... Reminds me of experiments with the first armored vehicles in the First World War. More like amateur performance, as there is no integrated approach. I can’t even imagine how to use a large truck with this “combat” module, they stuffed expensive devices and didn’t bother to protect it all with armor, the same module should shoot direct fire. What targets should it hit? Terrorists with pistols?
In a normal T-34-85 tank, there was 3000 rounds of ammunition, reloading under armor protection, and eliminating delays too.
And this is some kind of fantasy from Star Wars.
It's interesting how you can drive along the crossroads with such a slap. It is possible to shoot only from a flat area, but what if it is tilted? And again they stuffed everything they could ... a machine gun ... a grenade launcher ... a 30mm cannon.
It looks like the T-34-85 tank will be cheaper than the KamAZ-43269 Shot with this module and much more efficient.

[good]

It is useless to protect a module for lightly armored vehicles with serious armor, then you need to build a tank right away, which, by the way, is also quite easily disabled by modern anti-tank guns and even ancient RPGs. The task is to open fire faster than the enemy from the maximum possible distance both day and night, this is especially effective using a thermal imaging channel, even during the day.
The gun is quite powerful and fast-firing, see how armored personnel carriers worked in Mariupol on firing points in houses and covering the movements of the marines. Skillfully, a tank can also be disabled and not only lightly armored targets and vehicles can be smashed. The grenade launcher is very effective against manpower and the machine gun does not interfere at all with the support of battle groups.

[Konnick]

It is useless to protect a module for lightly armored vehicles with serious armor, then you need to build a tank right away

So what am I talking about? An ersatz car or light tank with at least a 30mm gun armor. Small-sized, 2-seater, with an automatic 30mm gun and, most importantly, with an AGS. Even better on wheels. Quite more effective than these "non-understandable".

[good]

This "Shot" is clearly better than the Tiger in all respects, and for supporting combat groups it is in no way worse than an armored personnel carrier, but clearly cheaper. And protection against undermining is clearly better than that of an armored personnel carrier.
8 people can move and not 2 at all.

[Konnick]

8 people can move and not 2 at all

To immediately 8 people. This thing is very noticeable, under 3 meters tall. .

[Konnick]

Э

that "Shot" is clearly better than the Tiger in all respects, and for supporting combat groups it is not at all worse than an armored personnel carrier, but clearly cheaper.

As for cheaper, I doubt it. Either a welded hull, or a chassis body kit with armor plates. And there is nothing to say about cross-country ability - a floating and all-terrain armored personnel carrier and this one, overweight for paved roads, are almost twice as much load on the wheel. Then resume the production of the BTR-152 ... And this Vulkan was chosen by the Federal Penitentiary Service. It doesn't fit anywhere else.

[good]

The carrier body is made of armor plate with serial chassis units from KAMAZ, It is much simpler than BTR82 and cheaper to manufacture, and it’s stupidly much easier to maintain .. The cross-country ability is sufficient, in fact it is a two-axle all-wheel drive KAMAZ. why would they swim? This is a vehicle for reconnaissance, border guards and escort. Yes, and armored personnel carriers for the most part drive along the roads and do not knead and swim mud, but you can do the same cheaper.

[Konnick]

The carrier body is made of armor plate with serial chassis units from KAMAZ, It is much simpler than BTR82 and cheaper to manufacture, and it’s stupidly much easier to maintain .. The cross-country ability is sufficient, in fact it is a two-axle all-wheel drive KAMAZ. why would they swim? This is a vehicle for reconnaissance, border guards and escort. Yes, and armored personnel carriers for the most part drive along the roads and do not knead and swim mud, but you can do the same cheaper.

Now read

In 2005, small test batches of these vehicles were purchased by the armed forces of Azerbaijan. In 2007, 18 armored vehicles were shipped to Kazakhstan to arm the reconnaissance battalions, and almost all of them failed for a number of reasons: a broken cardan, broken springs, several vehicles had cracks in the armor plates. Kazakhstan refused to buy the second batch of 18 cars.

The chassis on the frame assumes elastic deformation when driving over rough terrain, when they are hung with armor, this is not taken into account. The load-bearing armored hull is very rigid, therefore it is better than the one assembled on the knee and developed at the direction of the managers of this shushpanzer.

[Glory1974]

More like amateur performance, as there is no integrated approach. I can’t even imagine how to use a large truck with this “combat” module, they stuffed expensive devices and didn’t bother to protect it all with armor

Everything is moving towards protecting all vehicles with at least some kind of armor, distributing personnel into vehicles not by 8-10 people, but by 4-5. Use mainly on roads, in urban areas. Only special equipment will drive in the fields , there both tanks and infantry fighting vehicles get stuck.

[Ripap]

It is amazing. Why is it possible to put 2a42 on a light two-axle armored car, and on a much heavier armored personnel carrier-82a there is a castrated squalor 2a72?

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

From experience, trouble-free operation was not a merit of the 2A42 gun, there are reasonable suspicions that the 2A72 did not greatly excel in this. So, "radish horseradish is not sweeter." They say that with aviation ammunition and air defense shots, guns show their best side.

[good]

as for me, nothing strange, because the module with 2a72 was put into series earlier, and changing what is already riveted in series is always a loss in production
if they produce a lot of "spokes" and armored personnel carriers can probably get it
depends on the customer

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Rather, it depends on the designers, weapon manufacturers, the 2A42 had not only strong recoil, but also an inconvenient loading system, perhaps these problems have been solved in the new module.

[good]

By the way, in its first versions, this armored car was also initially equipped with a module like the BTR82A

[_simply]

And to equip with regular "pocket" UAVs ... It will come out beautifully.

[Glory1974]

Such a module is definitely better than just a machine gunner at the top, not even covered by an armored shield.
I was surprised to see a casing for the gun barrel, which helps to dampen vibrations and improve accuracy. The Ukrainian military-industrial complex has been using this for a long time, we have just now given birth.

[good]

Housings are not new, but there are a lot of nuances. BMP82A with 2A72 on which they also tried various casings, but still refused to use them for practical reasons, and the BMP82A was produced clearly more than all Ukrainian handicrafts combined. With active use, the 2A72 cannon wedges from overheating, which is probably why they abandoned casings, it is easier to maintain and change the barrel faster. On 2A42 helicopters, as in this module, nothing is used without casings.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Not everything is so simple, in some cases the open location of the machine gunner provides advantages in better visibility and elimination of delays when firing. It is even better if it is possible to fire both openly and from under the armor. That is, it is preferable to be able to dive down and continue to fire at the remote control.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

The machine with the new module looks quite convincing. But, I would like to see a new 40-mm Balkan grenade launcher on it. And, something was very delayed 82-mm self-propelled mortar "Drok", which could complement these updated escort vehicles.

[steelmaker]

Armor, infantry, in Ukraine is clearly not enough. On without fish and cancer fish.

[Chronos]

Everyone remembers the experience of the Second World War, so the most useful experience is that after being launched into a series, new models immediately went to the front. It would be nice now too.

[good]

Your example is rather unfortunate. During the Second World War, they first of all simplified and cheapened production for the sake of quantity, and new samples were very slow in favor of the same quantity, because serious changes entail delays in production. The IL2 was riveted almost unchanged throughout the war to the end, and the T-34 was finished only after the release of the SAU85, and the stupid T-60 was riveted throughout the war. In fact, they scored on the fleet in general.
Quantity was a priority, perhaps rightly so. But a lot of really good equipment never made it to the front, for example, the Sukhoi attack aircraft remained in prototypes, although it was better than the legendary IL2 barn from the very beginning.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

This machine is more suitable for rear, air defense and missilemen. And for the infantry, you need something like the BT-3F, or even the good old MTLB, but with such a new and convincing module as the "Spoke".

[good]

and this is not done for the infantry. although such an armored car easily closes most of the same work as the btr82a. For border guards, it’s the most, for intelligence, for escort, everything is more powerful than a small TIGER

[Alekandr]

I strongly doubt "Spoke" is the most necessary thing that the troops need now. But Derivation-Air Defense with relatively cheap projectiles for remote detonation is needed now like air!

[senima56]

Good machine! Most importantly - "uninhabited"!

[Mikhail Maslov]

Somehow, such a module should already be in the troops fighting in Ukraine yesterday. Why is there weak unification with other carriers. Why there are no modifications, for example, we replace the cannon with an Ataka-t missile block, etc., everything is there, you just need to turn on your head

[Alexander Vorontsov]

How many things we started...
If you look at reports from the war, you will shed a tear.

[Chikua]

Something awkward happened...

[Diverter]

My deep couch opinion:
do not produce this product anymore, give the rest to the border guards or sell it to Syria / Iran or someone else.
In the army nukhna maximum unification.
If you need an armored car for escort and protection, then take Typhoon-U. Shorten it, remove the third bridge. All. Don't like U, take K and make it a short two-bridge. It will turn out unification with all the ensuing goodies. And already on them put a unified combat module corresponding to future tasks.
as many as 100 pieces in the Strategic Missile Forces!)))) Throw this cuttlefish out of the RF Armed Forces ..

[locks]

Judging by the lack of information on ammunition and weight, it is difficult to compare it with BM2, Boomerang-BM, Berezhok. I wonder how it would look on the BMP 3M