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Territorial claims to Russia are exaggerated on the Chinese Internet

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Territorial claims to Russia are exaggerated on the Chinese InternetThe forum of the Chinese military portal club.mil.news.sina.com.cn published an article entitled by the author as “Russia is returning China to Siberia and the Far East, which contributes to the Chinese-Russian friendship and peace in the whole world!” have become characteristic of the Chinese Internet.

The author refers to the words allegedly said by Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin that “any Russian president should do everything to return his Far Eastern territories to China”. This news may be right or wrong, but if right, then Putin really does a godly deed, the author writes.

The author claims that the territories of Siberia and the Far East located to the east of the Ural Mountains belonged to China from ancient times. In these territories lived "ancient Chinese northern nomadic ethnic minorities." During his visit to the USSR (probably the visit of 1949 of the year - “VP”), Mao Zedong, following the train to Moscow, refused to get off at the station located in the North Sea (Baikal) region. Accompanied by the "great helmsman" Chen Boda (political adviser, one of the prominent theorists of Chinese socialism - "VP") asked why the leader did not get off the train. Mao reprimanded Chen Baud for not knowing stories and in a "heavy, angry tone" said that "the Chinese shepherd Sichen Su Wu" herded their flocks here. Mao made it clear that this land is the ancient homeland of the Chinese people, illegally occupied by the Soviet Union.

The author also claims that in the days of the Tang, Yuan and Qin dynasties, China had administrative bodies in the cold Siberia. But then Russia began to seep through the Ural Mountains eastward to Siberia and further to the coast of the Pacific Ocean. Even more than half of Lake Khanka has come under Russian jurisdiction, the author resents. Chinese Heilongjian was renamed to Nikolaevsk, Russia also conquered the island of Oshima, rich in forests and natural gas, from Japan, renamed Sakhalin.


These conquests give rise to "historical hatred" in the Chinese, the author writes. Many Chinese have not forgotten such humiliation. The school textbooks provide information so that new generations of Chinese do not forget their history.

The rise of China requires that the lost Far Eastern territories be returned, the author is convinced. Russia does not have sufficient human, material and financial resources to keep the Far East under control, he is sure. We need to take the initiative to return these territories, the author writes. If Putin truly returns the “lost” lands to us, this will have a beneficial effect on the stability of Chinese-Russian relations. This will be evidence of true friendship, mutual respect and solidarity between our countries, the author concludes.

In the comments to this article they write that “the return of lost territories is our goal!” That 1 trillions of dollars must be paid to Russia for the redemption of these lands, since soon the US Treasury bonds will turn into empty pieces of paper. One commentator writes that you can kill two birds with one stone - get rid of these depreciating bonds and at the same time acquire lands rich in natural resources. In fairness it should be said. that there are also those who are surprised that the respected portal publishes "the nonsense of patients on the head of people."

"VP": Of course, it would be possible to turn a blind eye to these "nonsense", but if you think about it objectively, then such sentiments in Chinese society are quite common, and will only increase with time. China hopes that over time it will acquire such economic and military power that Russia will have to withdraw from the Far Eastern and Siberian territories.

The Chinese military forums are seriously discussing the prospects of a “massive tank campaign” in the Far Eastern regions of Russia. It is probably no coincidence that the trials of new tanks and other armored vehicles are mainly carried out in Inner Mongolia, which in its climatic conditions is as similar as possible to the regions of the Russian Far East and Siberia.

The strategic partnership between Russia and China in some Russian media is called “strategic pretense”. As they say, wait and see.
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  1. Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 28 September 2012 06: 47
    +9
    hmm, yes, they are being impudent, scoundrels ... our land is almost everywhere washed with the blood of our people and we should not squander it, let the narrow-eyed nationalists continue to be indignant, we will not give them land ...
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 September 2012 07: 11
      +21
      Quote: sasha 19871987

      hmm, yeah, they are being impudent, scoundrels.

      Yes, this is a long-standing article, and there are enough nationalists in all countries. That's when official Beijing will say something like that then there will be a topic, only for such a turn you need to be prepared and that’s all.
      1. INTER
        INTER 28 September 2012 08: 27
        +6
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Yes, this is a long-standing article, and there are enough nationalists in all countries. That's when official Beijing will say something like that then there will be a topic, only for such a turn you need to be prepared and that’s all.

        Right! And in order to be ready, it is necessary to reunite with the fraternal republics in order to discourage the Chinese, fill up a demographic hole and develop the entire east of the country.
        1. smrus
          smrus 28 September 2012 09: 19
          +8
          Well what can I say?)

          In general, if you look at the history of our people, then it is not aggressive, BUT !!! Everyone remembers and it needs to be reminded more often and LOUDLY, if anyone begins to lay claim to our lands and then wants to take them WAR - EVERYTHING ends in DAMAGE for the aggressor !!! We not only defended our lands - BUT AND ATTACHED THE NEW.
          1. Van
            Van 29 September 2012 00: 01
            +1
            Quote: smrus
            We not only defended our lands - BUT AND ATTACHED THE NEW.

            Yeah, if China gets on us, then we will attach it to ourselves ... laughing
            I remember I watched it as one show, it said that everyone who went to Russia in the war, after their defeat, somehow or other, remained in Russia to live. winked
        2. aksakal
          aksakal 28 September 2012 12: 13
          +6
          Quote: INTER
          close up the demographic hole and develop the entire east of the country.

          - how to do it? Russian women do not want to give birth to more than two, or even more than one, and that's it. Go to the forums of mothers with many children - mothers with many children sit there, honor and praise them, discuss their problems, share their secrets, and through each post some "seemingly smarter" mothers who have barely given birth to a single child ask them very "tactful "questions about that, but do they know on this forum about contraceptives? Do they know about family planning methods? And other .... Like, "have you tried using condoms?" And there are so many such clever people that with such moods of Russian women you cannot close any demographic hole in Russia, do not even dream until you drive your women to where they belong, the Germans clearly designated this place with three "K" - kuhe, kitschen and kinder ... They do not have to dream of singing careers, no, let them only dream and that's all.
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 28 September 2012 12: 56
            +4
            I will add - despite the protests against juvenile life that have already begun in Russia, this muck is being introduced in Russia. They are introduced only because of the desire to look "civilized" in the eyes of the so-called. the world community, just to please the West a little more. There are simply no other reasons to introduce juvenile life. When will Russians stop looking at other people's opinions and do not realize their intrinsic value?
            Juveniles will drop your birth rate in general into a hard minus, mark my words. Your protests, frankly, are toothless. The bogs acted even tougher, but here the posters, oh-oh, we are against juvenile ...
            And you are here to "close the demographic hole!" What and how with such an approach and with such mass sentiments?
        3. Alexander Petrovich
          Alexander Petrovich 28 September 2012 23: 57
          +1
          and that too. but damn it. honestly, I would go even to a distant life, but if the government developed this region, that would have been easier. What about the Chinese, the guys need to arm themselves, it is very necessary, and most importantly, to increase the nuclear potential.
      2. selbrat
        selbrat 28 September 2012 09: 35
        +7
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Yes, this is a long-standing article, and there are enough nationalists in all countries.

        Yes, if it was only a matter of nationalists. They have this crap about the northern territories and in schools they teach. On all the maps, the same Vladivostok is called Chinese. So this is thought to be the official point of view. And so that the head does not hurt, the army needs not only To strengthen the Caucasus. But do not forget about the Far East with Siberia.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 28 September 2012 09: 57
          +7
          Quote: selbrat
          . They teach this crap about the northern territories and at schools. On all maps, the same Vladivostok is called Chinese

          Where did the info come from? I saw nationalist maps, but what they teach in Chinese schools about crap and I don’t know all that, can give a link.
          Quote: selbrat
          So what is thought is the official point of view

          I have not heard such a statement from the Chinese authorities, the garden can be fenced for a long time, it’s enough to recall the former US Secretary of State named Madeleine and her cough in relation to Siberia. hi
          1. selbrat
            selbrat 28 September 2012 12: 33
            +3
            I can't give you a link, because I read an article about China in the magazine Moscow, A former GRU officer wrote. Well, about the "official point of view", this is purely my opinion. Although you know, there is no smoke without fire. And with China, as with the whole East, one must keep an eye out And we must be prepared for the worst case, so as not to take us by surprise.
          2. smile
            smile 28 September 2012 16: 58
            +2
            Alexander Romanov
            Hello, several years ago I read a similar article in the Independent Military Review - there was given a translation of an extensive article from the Jemin Daily, with a reference to the newspaper's number and the date of publication. Agree - in their analogue of our "Pravda" they just won't write this .... unfortunately.
      3. Ross
        Ross 28 September 2012 12: 17
        0
        Alexander Romanov,
        Absolutely right! Now the Chinese are not up to the Northern Territories. We just need to raise the archives, gradually restore our true history and remind the Chinese of the pyramids and excavations in the Gobi.
      4. indrik
        indrik 28 September 2012 13: 12
        +2
        that it was not very indignant 2official Beijing "when the Japanese consulates, companies and other things were smashed, and when the fishermen staged a blockade of the islands, which were relatively honestly bought by the Japs, there was generally silence. Could this be such a policy among the narrow-eyed? The government silently approves the actions of the" people "
      5. Andrei.B
        Andrei.B 28 September 2012 16: 06
        0
        send them to dick ... and that’s it!
    2. spender
      spender 28 September 2012 09: 15
      +11
      Here it is the mentality in action, the stereotype is triggered: if Russia gave the water territories of Norway, the island to China, then it is weak and why not demand more land for this weakness ... Remember there were claims for 300 hectares in Altai, now the Far East. It is clear that while the population is being "pumped", how they know how to work with the population in China can be seen in the hysteria over the disputed islands. Pogroms of Yapov shops and schools, beatings of Yapov, evacuation, etc. I think that our political strategists need to work ahead of the curve, constantly conveying the thought: “We don’t want an inch of someone else’s land, but we won’t give up our own top” !!!! angry
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 28 September 2012 09: 31
        +5
        Quote: spender
        ... I think that our political strategists need to work ahead of the curve, constantly conveying the thought: "We don't want an inch of someone else's land, but we won't give up our own top either!"

        Hi Alexey, political strategists are not needed here. There are 1,5 billion Chinese people, just have good defense besides a nuclear shield, then there will be no complaints hi
    3. ughhh
      ughhh 28 September 2012 09: 32
      0
      as if their narrow-eyed faces from a strain did not burst ...
    4. aktanir
      aktanir 28 September 2012 12: 26
      +3
      Somehow alarming. China, Mlyn, is swelling up from its population ... And the point is not in ideology, but in the root of these statements. There are many of them, they need land, food, resources. And we are fifteen times fewer, there are almost no one to resist the millions of Chinese .... Power must not be strengthened in the western direction, but in the eastern. At least just to demonstrate strength. And stop cooperating with the Celestial Empire in the military sphere. The border is locked, put cameras, drones and border posts of the FSB on every kilometer of the border.
      1. not good
        not good 28 September 2012 19: 32
        0
        Military cooperation with China cannot be stopped, but at the same time all the equipment going there should be packed to the maximum with all kinds of bookmarks, and where it might be weaker than the supplied Russian army.
    5. nokki
      nokki 28 September 2012 14: 12
      +3
      "Massive tank campaign"

      And how do the Chinese look at the prospect of a massive nuclear strike against China?
      1. Wertynskiy
        Wertynskiy 28 September 2012 18: 14
        +2
        The main thing for China is to create a precedent. and let this precedent be a refusal to get off the train at the station, it doesn’t matter. It is important to gradually prepare the public and world opinion that Siberia is traditionally Chinese, and then there will be no need for precedents, as many as 200 millions of immigrants will move to Siberia to supposedly originally their territories. Not guys, everything is needed here - a nuclear shield, and aviation and navy, and air defense and infantry. China is serious, and the friendly relations between the countries they quickly eat up when the Chinese have nothing to eat, and they will start to eat us!
    6. Vlad777
      Vlad777 29 September 2012 00: 23
      0
      China ... They want land ... Let him shove this desire into his ass! Let the narrow-eyed ones stick around. The conversation will be short. In general, such issues need to be addressed radically. The best defense, as you know, is the flood! Why wait when they come to us, any sign of aggression on their part should be punished without delay.
    7. Vlad777
      Vlad777 29 September 2012 00: 57
      0
      Let them come! We stand for Mother Russia !!! And about the fact that there are so many ... The enemy should not be counted, but it’s necessary to beat!)
  2. Alexey Prikazchikov
    Alexey Prikazchikov 28 September 2012 06: 54
    +14
    Well, who else considers China a friend and that we just have friends?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 September 2012 07: 13
      +6
      Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov

      Well, who else considers China a friend and that we just have friends?

      There are friends - the army, aviation and navy, but thanks to our reforms they are far from in the best condition. hi
      1. INTER
        INTER 28 September 2012 08: 39
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        There are friends - the army, aviation and navy, but thanks to our reforms they are far from in the best condition.

        As they say, the best friends are family and relatives! Family people, army, relatives of fraternal republics yes
      2. spender
        spender 28 September 2012 09: 17
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        There are friends - the army, aviation and navy, but thanks to our reforms they are far from in the best condition.

        The nuclear triad has not yet been destroyed, and therefore there is a chance to resist hi With all the aggressiveness, the Chinese are not suicides winked
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 28 September 2012 09: 40
          +6
          Quote: spender

          The nuclear triad has not yet been destroyed, and therefore there is a chance to resist

          Lech, well, most likely not to resist, but to turn the whole world to ashes sad
  3. Normal
    Normal 28 September 2012 07: 04
    +5
    Yes, let them write and discuss what they like. On our site, there are also quite a few people who want to "hit on America". On the other hand, the more China becomes stronger and the more aggressive its rhetoric, the less Western pressure on Russia. The world behind the scenes will not allow Russia to fall apart as long as we are a natural counterbalance to China and control a territory with huge reserves of energy resources and minerals.
  4. Chuck-norris
    Chuck-norris 28 September 2012 07: 06
    +5
    Will you react to every fool from China with an article? Rename the site from "Military Review" to "We are alarmists !!!".
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 September 2012 07: 14
      +8
      Quote: Chuck-Norris
      Rename the site from "Military Review" to "We are alarmists !!

      And who's panicking here? They posted an article and that’s all.
    2. mcvdvlad
      mcvdvlad 28 September 2012 07: 27
      +2
      I completely agree, there were enough of them (fools) at all times
    3. Gemar
      Gemar 28 September 2012 13: 23
      +10
      Quote: Chuck-Norris
      Will you react to every fool from China?

      I DO NOT AGREE to you completely! - negative
      There are more than half of such fools in China. Trust me, I have lived in the PRC for 8 years. And now I declare: China is a hostile country to us! They teach in their schools that the Mongols are also part of China. And that once Russia, quite rightly, paid tribute to China for 300 years. And they say now, the "Russian barbarians" have gotten so bad that they chopped off the territory that once belonged to the Chinese. I call us "old wool" (Laomaozi, well, there is also an interpretation - a shabby beard).
      There really is no need to panic. It is necessary to expel all Chinese from all markets. Let many say that we will die of hunger. DO NOT DIE! After all, there are still many Asian countries (Vietnam, Indonesia, India) not claiming our lands. They are now at the level of the PRC in the late 90s and early 2000s. And with pleasure they will supply us with products.
      If my grandfather knew how the help to "brotherly" China would turn out, he would have killed not only the Japanese in Liaoning ...
      I saw the graves of Russian and Soviet soldiers in Dalian (not the ones shown to tourists). So they are all flooded with paint and shot and weapons. They are brave against the dead ... angry
  5. sahha
    sahha 28 September 2012 07: 10
    +1
    The fact that territorial claims are being circulated on the Chinese Internet, I learned about 2 years ago. Someone even translated comments from a Chinese site.
    Yes, there are heated "debates" going on, some individuals even speak out in favor of Russia.
    Both them and we have enough hot guys. The calculation is primarily on the nationalistic feelings of the inhabitants of the country, IMHO
  6. bask
    bask 28 September 2012 07: 24
    +7
    ,, Fools ,, in China, 1,6 billion people. And the Chinese Communist Party does not have Russian intentionalism. A terry NATIONALISM In the old quarters of Beijing, there are queues with sartirs in the queue. Who knew. And on the Kinay Internet there is nothing without the knowledge and consent of the CCP It doesn’t happen. Russia urgently needs to track Iskander’s nuclear complexes with nuclear warheads along the border. China cannot stop China’s munitions. And ,,, they called the alarmists, in 1941, Lost .. 3 and a million prisoners in 41.
    This is a lesson always. Defense and defense again. And withdrawal from all nuclear limitation treaties.
    1. Gemar
      Gemar 28 September 2012 13: 27
      +4
      Quote: bask
      And withdrawal from all nuclear limitation treaties.

      Absolutely agree! Plus to you! +
      The United States unilaterally withdrew from the ABM Treaty. So we need to withdraw from the INF and START treaties!
      Quote: bask
      3 and a million prisoners in 41

      In PM, too, a plus!
  7. Mostovik
    Mostovik 28 September 2012 07: 51
    +4
    Oops, problem, pay attention to Chinese shkolota. Will Russia be strong, they will only have to suck. And on the Russian Internet, the topic of the collapse / bankruptcy of the United States is being circulated, and the Americans live and do not blow into the mustache.
    Original Chinese territory is the eastern part of modern China along the coast. The rest is Tibet and Turkestan and other parts are not Chinese at all.
  8. volcano
    volcano 28 September 2012 07: 58
    +3
    Hmm ... We also write here, something like the death of Amer ... the Yankees away .... return the land to the Indians, etc. ..... wink
    Let them write ..... of course, a conflict with China is inevitable .... mm there is nowhere to go ... you need living space ..... the question is when? And will we be ready .....
    And they do not open America .....
  9. erased
    erased 28 September 2012 08: 01
    0
    And there is no way out - either now it is tough to stop the idea of ​​seizing land or transferring it "peacefully", or then actually fight China. China has been talking openly about its territorial appetites for 10 years already. Only now the Russian authorities are not ready to resist this. Causes? Well, here you can guess.
  10. Baron Wrangell
    Baron Wrangell 28 September 2012 08: 40
    +2
    read the article wanted to laugh!
    on tanks with water cannons, they have experience, very recent!
    But seriously, the problem is very acute, since China has long morally grabbed our land, and is looking at our territories. Well, sort of looking and looking, many are looking at our lands.
    Question! So why do we give them to them, bit by bit, but as we revise the border, so the Chinese themselves chop off a piece! What is this, the stupidity of our leaders, or the banal corruption of responsible persons!
    Why does the Chinese population in Siberia and the Far East exceed all reasonable limits! Isn't this the whole army in the rear?
  11. RUSmen
    RUSmen 28 September 2012 08: 53
    0
    Are you aware that Medvedev also issued a warning document to the UN and China on the use of nuclear weapons in the event of a Chinese attack on Russia. When I found out about this, it became clear that our intelligence is aware of their sentiments. And one more thing: about 70% of the land army of China is located along the Russian border (just like the Nazis crowded around the borders of the USSR in 1941). According to rumors, there are URs along the border with China (since the days of the USSR) they are being restored. A guy I know told me (he served in the railway troops) in 2005-06, they took away many "hail" and "tornado" (multiple launch rocket) installations to the regions bordering China. Even look at satellite photos of Russian cities not far from China, there are just huge military garrisons (for example: Ulan-Ude, Khabarovsk, Chita). I think all this is not casual.
    1. sasha.28blaga
      sasha.28blaga 28 September 2012 09: 19
      +2
      According to the next agreement with China, both states China and Russia should include strengthening the areas 150 km from the borders. I don’t know what kind of systems you are writing about, I only know that that part of the border that passes specifically through the territory of our city is guarded by two border detachments and one part of the border troops. The remaining parts: tank artillery, etc. were allotted as agreed on 150 km. Fortified areas put into disrepair. at the same time, China laid 400 km of railway tracks along the city. For what?
      1. Gemar
        Gemar 28 September 2012 13: 35
        +2
        Quote: sasha.28blaga
        at the same time, China laid 400 km of railway tracks along the city

        And many of them are in tunnels.
  12. Leisure
    Leisure 28 September 2012 08: 54
    +4
    The Chinese, return to us the CER, Port Arthur, Dalniy and Harbin. Then we will be your best friends.
  13. vik71
    vik71 28 September 2012 09: 09
    +6
    Visit the Far East - everything will become clear. There is a massive resettlement of the Chinese. And even those square kilometers that "our government" transfers to China every 10 years is nothing compared to the number of visas and passports of the Russian Federation issued to our narrow-eyed incorruptible servants of the law from the Federal Migration Service and the Department of Internal Affairs. What kind of military action can there be? And so they will drive in trains on the railway.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 September 2012 09: 12
      +1
      Quote: vik71
       0 
      Visit the Far East - everything will become clear. There is a massive relocation of China.

      Where will you be from?
    2. spender
      spender 28 September 2012 09: 35
      +3
      Quote: vik71
      Visit the Far East - everything will become clear. There is a massive relocation of China

      You don't read the tabloids. Somewhere I came across the figures that over the last 20 years about 200 thousand Chinese have emigrated to Russia, during the same time more than 2,5 million have emigrated to America, so it's not worth ringing the bells for now ... The media needs sensations, that's "scare" winked
      1. tan0472
        tan0472 28 September 2012 10: 22
        +4
        Quote: spender
        You don't read the tabloids. Somewhere I came across the figures that in the last 20 years about 200 thousand Chinese emigrated to Russia, during the same time more than 2,5 million emigrated to America, so it's not worth ringing the bells yet.

        Maybe 2,5 million for the USA is nonsense, and for the Far East 200 thousand (with their fertility) - a lot. IMHO.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 28 September 2012 10: 25
          +1
          Quote: tan0472

          Maybe 2,5 million for the USA is nonsense, and for the Far East 200 thousand (with their fertility) - a lot

          Yes, where are these 200 thousand hidden here can help naiti. With this number and the number of Russians living in the Far East, we should stumble over them here. Where are they these Chinese?
          1. tan0472
            tan0472 28 September 2012 11: 28
            +3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Yes, where are these 200 thousand hidden here can help naiti.

            If they are not - excellent. But with our gouging, no one counts them. (But it is necessary) If you have reliable information about the quantity, share it. I will be grateful. hi
          2. Gemar
            Gemar 28 September 2012 13: 44
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            we should stumble over them here

            Already stumble. Farming in the Far East destroyed partly thanks to the Chinese. They use SUCH chemicals that their crops are an order of magnitude larger and cheaper than that of our farmers. I will not even write about the health effects of their tomatoes and cucumbers.
            1. apro
              apro 28 September 2012 23: 17
              0
              Quote: Gamar
              Already stumble. Farming in the Far East destroyed partly thanks to the Chinese.

              But for the most part, thanks to our reforms and economic policies. Today, China dominates thanks to Russia's weaknesses and there is nothing to overcome this weakness either with ideas or opportunities.
        2. spender
          spender 28 September 2012 10: 26
          0
          Quote: tan0472
          and for the Far East 200 thousand (with their fertility) - a lot

          This figure includes students with a work permit of more than 6 months, that is, not all remain. The problem is clearly far-fetched, just in Moscow we rank all of them as Chinese, and here half of the Vietnamese, in the East of the East there are many Koreans, whom we also write in the Chinese. hi
          1. Gemar
            Gemar 28 September 2012 13: 52
            +2
            Quote: spender
            In Moscow, we rank all of us as Chinese, and here half of the Vietnamese, there are many Koreans in D. East, whom we also write in the Chinese.

            Hmm ... I will not even try to challenge your opinion. Minus, too, I see no reason. request
            Believe me, as a resident of the Far East and a sinologist: The devil (Chinese) is not so terrible as he is painted ... He is even worse at times! In Ussuriisk, even the main "proprietor" is a Chinese! It is clear that our venality is to blame for everything. However, the Chinese are like water - it will flow into any cracks.
            At the expense of the Chinese in Moscow. My acquaintance, an Azerbaijani, said that when Cherkizon was closed, all his friends bought a flat in Moscow for half a year.
      2. Gemar
        Gemar 28 September 2012 13: 40
        +2
        Quote: spender
        so don't beat the bells yet

        I live in Vladivostok. Believe me, there are much more than 200 thousand Chinese in the Russian Federation. Many of them are illegal. Thank you FMS for sale. Any Chinese person knows that 500 rubles. salivating to a policeman policeman, equivalent to a passport.
  14. vik71
    vik71 28 September 2012 09: 16
    +1
    Alexander Romanov,
    The profile indicates - RF, Kursk. soldier And such a flag is - you need to ask the admins - why? bully Relatives in Komsomolsk-on-Amur.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 September 2012 09: 25
      +3
      RF, Vladivostok, in this case, come and show me where the Chinese are relocating here, at least I'll take a look. If you do not know, then the Chinese in the Far East have become much less in recent years!
      Quote: vik71
      Relatives in Komsomolsk-on-Amur.

      Wow, a week ago I returned from Komsomolsk-on-Amur, and I didn’t see the Chinese at all, except for a few dozen in the clothing market. Market address suggest?
    2. Gur
      Gur 28 September 2012 10: 12
      +2
      Actually, this is my profile picture ...
  15. Vanek
    Vanek 28 September 2012 09: 17
    +3
    This will be evidence of true friendship, mutual respect and solidarity between our countries, the author concludes.

    And the keys to the apartment where the money is not hnnnada?

    The author refers to the words allegedly said by Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin that “any Russian president must do everything to return China to its Far Eastern territories”

    My friend, don’t believe in what the herds of bay horses don’t believe in,
    When they are driven through pain to where the saddles are waiting and the evil bitters.
    Let's talk with you about where to hang our birdhouse in the spring -
    We will begin to do charitable deeds with this trifle.


    Alexander Rosenbaum.
  16. aleandr
    aleandr 28 September 2012 09: 22
    +2
    Mao reprimanded Chen Bodu for ignorance of history and said in a "heavy angry tone" that "the Chinese shepherd Sichen Su Wu was herding herds here"
    it is necessary for the Chinese to show how, so the Chinese shepherd Sichen Su Wu didn’t pay his sheep and did not pay tax belay , caused losses to the treasury. taking into account the fine a good amount will come out. laughing
    If Putin really returns us the “lost” lands, this will have a beneficial effect on the stability of Sino-Russian relations
    You won't get a damn thing angry and this will have a beneficial effect on the stability of Russia.
    1. tan0472
      tan0472 28 September 2012 10: 30
      +2
      Quote: aleandr
      chinese shepherd sichen su woo her sheep

      The fact that some Chinese herd sheep should be asked from the lazy man who hired the Chinese. And do not give a chance to different "Mao" in the future to chastise different "Chen Bodu". Work yourself, do not invite the Chinese.
      1. Vitaly11
        Vitaly11 28 September 2012 11: 29
        +2
        here shepherded herds the Chinese shepherd Sichen Su Wu

        and this is the first Chinese guest worker, and since this job is going to Moscow to work, in the not too distant future, claims will be made against this territory as well.
        Gave reptiles a piece of Khabarovsk region. Now they will not calm down until they capture all of Russia !!! why do I say that, because r * a * d * s consider Genghis Khan - Chinese, which means the territory of the Golden Horde is the true territory of this n * a * d * a * l * and

        I don’t understand how you can make friends with them, at least they raised the archives of travelers, which say “if you feed a hungry Chinese man, he will bring his fellows with him at night to take away everything else that you have, but he will survive you”
        1. skullcap
          skullcap 28 September 2012 12: 47
          +1
          Even the official science admitted that information was preserved that Genghis Khan was fair-haired and green-eyed. europeide. Thus, if you play this card, then it turns out that it is China that is the original Russian territory. (After all, to the east of the Russians, neither the English, nor the Germans, no other Europeans, did not live).
          You just need to remind them.
  17. x-men
    x-men 28 September 2012 09: 23
    +2
    Well, guys, firstly, their billions live in cities, we can correct their population in 5 minutes, and secondly, we will never give up natural resources, if the Chinese author does not understand this, believe about friends (partners) no one is allowed, one must think of oneself as others do.
  18. leon-iv
    leon-iv 28 September 2012 09: 27
    0
    The theme is so dull and sucked 100500 times.
  19. Aryan
    Aryan 28 September 2012 09: 41
    +4
    Who will tell you how it will be in Ketay
    "Hey you yellow-toed crowd! Go nah"
    ?
    1. Alexey Prikazchikov
      Alexey Prikazchikov 28 September 2012 13: 10
      +2
      Same question.
    2. Gemar
      Gemar 28 September 2012 13: 55
      +1
      Wei, nimen huanphigu! Kung Jiba Dai!
      1. Gemar
        Gemar 28 September 2012 14: 15
        0
        Although they will not be offended by the "yellow ones". They don't even take offense at the yellow monkeys (Huanghouzi). Yellow (huan) is the emperor's symbol. Monkey (houzi) is one of the Chinese gods.

        And my nickname is translated as "COREFANA"!
  20. Baron Wrangell
    Baron Wrangell 28 September 2012 09: 46
    0
    soldier not an inch of Russian land will not give up!
  21. Kyrgyz
    Kyrgyz 28 September 2012 10: 05
    +2
    Russia is adjusting the Chinese population to 200-300 million people and this is beneficial to world peace and bilateral relations - what is not the position to start bargaining?
    Kakba Russia also urgently needs warm, fertile lands, because in Siberia and the Far East you won’t especially grow food
    1. gor
      gor 28 September 2012 10: 14
      -4
      China retaliation regulates the population of Russia up to 30-15 million people. The main thing is not to point out. China is your real friend and partner))))))))))))))) plus morons begin to be born on the infected area and then there are not many of them. these are roughly the prospects for the use of yao. yao is a weapon of last chance.
      1. Kyrgyz
        Kyrgyz 28 September 2012 10: 21
        +1
        let China have no opportunity to use nuclear weapons wink
  22. ded
    ded 28 September 2012 10: 49
    +3
    It seems to me that this article is for those dibilovwho are so happy about the growing power (a true "friend" of Russia) of China. In general, India should be armed, since it is the only country in the world that can stop China with conventional (non-nuclear) weapons.
  23. Gavril
    Gavril 28 September 2012 11: 17
    +6
    In ancient times, in the area of ​​modern Beijing, Sakha-Yakuts lived, and I am ashamed to get a passport to go there. Let the original Yakut lands be returned to us !!! We only temporarily left from there to fish for crucian carp in Kobiai !!!
  24. baltika-18
    baltika-18 28 September 2012 11: 23
    +1
    That's right. China has never been and never will be a real ally. They are pumping the population about the territories of Siberia and the Far East. Some publications even conduct polls. Moreover, the results are very interesting: the inhabitants of Northern China for the most part do not support territorial claims against Russia and the people of South China are the opposite.
    1. Gemar
      Gemar 28 September 2012 13: 58
      0
      Quote: baltika-18
      For the most part, northern China does not support territorial claims against Russia, while the inhabitants of southern China, on the contrary.

      On the contrary, the northern Chinese hate us - they consider us "barbarians". And the southern Chinese live too well to think about our territory.
  25. understudy
    understudy 28 September 2012 11: 42
    +5
    Quote: selbrat
    so that the head does not hurt, it is necessary not only to strengthen the army in the Caucasus, but also not to forget about the Far East and Siberia.


    Quote: RUSmen
    Even look at satellite photos of Russian cities not far from China, there are simply huge military garrisons (for example: Ulan-Ude, Khabarovsk, Chita).


    _____________________________
    From the April 2012 article ...
    We now have “holes” in air defense. The most undisguised site - it is necessary, again next to China! - between Khabarovsk and Irkutsk - 3400 km. Not covered from the air - Omsk, Perm, Izhevsk, Chelyabinsk and so on - you can continue. And some divisions of the Strategic Missile Forces from the air can be shot simply from a private plane.
    Ground forces - 10 armies of 3-4 brigades each. But in Chita there is only one brigade - from Ude to Belogorsk - for 3 thousand km. If the Chinese suddenly start looking for her, then they will have to go more than one thousand kilometers
    .
    1. pogis
      pogis 28 September 2012 13: 49
      -1
      So in Perm, the Mig-31 regiment is based!
  26. SlavakharitonoV
    SlavakharitonoV 28 September 2012 12: 04
    -1
    Let them talk as much as they want. If they can’t do anything with us, the more they talk. Bolabol. request
  27. bask
    bask 28 September 2012 12: 26
    0
    The picture shows a cool Chinese., As from an action movie about Shaolin. Such., Trample, it will be difficult to stop. The Chinese threat is not a myth. They don’t throw their hats. And they can. If you take into account that 60% of China or the desert or mountains. And there are more and more of them, however!
  28. glorious glorious
    glorious glorious 28 September 2012 12: 38
    -5
    in principle, this article has some truth ... if you dig a story ... we can find out that Siberia was free of anyone’s borders ... the true land of the Russians is the western part of Russia ... there were mostly nomads outside the Urals .. . (Huns, Saks, Kazakhs)
    1. ivachum
      ivachum 28 September 2012 15: 14
      +4
      Well, yes .... Adam and Eve are also Kazakhs ....

      The ethnonym "Kazakh" appeared in the 1460th century, when in 1465 the khans Zhanibek and Kerey with their auls migrated from the banks of the Syr Darya to the east in Semirechye, to the lands of the ruler of Mogulistan Yesen-Bugi, where they formed the Kazakh Khanate (1936). These tribes began to call themselves free people - “Kazakh” (“Kazakh”), in Russian - “Kazakhs”. In Kazakh speech in this word both letters “k” are pronounced as solid Қ, but since XNUMX the spelling “Kazakh” has been established in modern Russian spelling. After the fragmentation of the eastern part of the Chagatai Ulus of the state of Mogulistan, the Kazakh ulus will strengthen due to the Mogulian clans of Mogulistan.

      In tsarist Russia, the current Kazakhs were called Kyrgyz or Kyrgyz-Kaisak, so as not to be confused with Russian Cossacks [27]. The misuse of the ethnonyms “Kazakh” and “Kyrgyz” before the revolution was due to errors by incompetent authors and the administration. As early as 1827, A. I. Levshin argued that "the Kyrgyz is the name of a people of a completely different ... the name of the Cossacks ... belongs to the Kyrgyz-Kaisak hordes from the beginning of their existence, they do not call themselves otherwise"

      So, the 15th century is in the best case for you, comrades Kyrgyz-Kaisaks ... By the way, modern Kazakhstan is also "illegally occupied Chinese territories." I advise you to learn Chinese. drinks
      1. volcano
        volcano 28 September 2012 18: 10
        0
        Quote: ivachum
        Well, yes .... Adam and Eve are also Kazakhs ....


        no .. their nationality is already "reliably determined" is ukry laughing
      2. glorious glorious
        glorious glorious 28 September 2012 19: 53
        +1
        We will not go into disputes and disagreements .... but I assure you that what I wrote is pure truth ... and the works of L.N. Gumilev in confirmation of this .... not my arguments and conclusions, my dear stasjan ....
    2. volcano
      volcano 28 September 2012 18: 11
      0
      Quote: glorious
      The true land of the Russians is the western part of Russia ... there were mainly nomads beyond the Urals ... (Huns, Saks, Kazakhs)


      Dreams ... Dreams ... Don't even wash wink
  29. AK-74-1
    AK-74-1 28 September 2012 12: 45
    -2
    It is possible that such actions have far from Chinese roots. Such forums and such opinions can easily destroy the relationship between the two countries that have, if not partnerships, then common interests.
    I’m not inclined to dramatize the situation, but I would not want a repetition of military clashes like the 1928-30 years.
  30. artist-mamluk
    artist-mamluk 28 September 2012 12: 52
    +6
    It is time to return the borders with China to the historical channel, that is, China is again on the other side of the Chinese wall, as it was.
    1. Gemar
      Gemar 28 September 2012 14: 00
      +3
      Moreover, all the loopholes on the Great Wall of China look towards Beijing!
      1. artist-mamluk
        artist-mamluk 28 September 2012 19: 49
        +2
        So this is a fact, and the most interesting thing is that when they built the Chinese wall. In China, they did not build stone structures, that is, houses made of wood and bamboo, but the "fence" was made of stone. How strange it is! And in Russia there were already CITIES. And this is also a fact.
  31. escobar
    escobar 28 September 2012 12: 55
    +2
    If it weren’t for nuclear weapons, this fellow would cry.
  32. bask
    bask 28 September 2012 12: 55
    0
    Trust, I agree, But check 100 times !!! It’s not necessary to dramatize, but the Internet in China is under the control of the authorities and the CCP, I saw it myself. I’ve been to Shanghai.
  33. dark_65
    dark_65 28 September 2012 13: 15
    0
    Healthy nationalism is useful, just do not slip into SARS.
    And China, I am convinced, simply voices the idea to the masses through the Internet.
  34. vik71
    vik71 28 September 2012 14: 12
    0
    Gur,
    I will delete it. Admins did not say.
  35. gregor6549
    gregor6549 28 September 2012 14: 42
    +4
    In China, nothing is just being done. Neither a demonstration against Japan nor a claim to Russia on the Internet. Those. in China, the situation is ripening when the bottoms begin to rise and the tops can be released by the top only by arranging a small war with what thread is the neighbor, preferably with someone who has something in the ground, and you don’t need to run or swim to the neighbor. Moreover, the muscles in China have already gained strength with the help of one of these neighbors and continue to grow stronger.
    When I wrote about this before I was "giggled", they say, why does China need Russian land? But he has long considered many square kilometers of this land to be his own, especially since it has been cultivated with his hands and trampled on by the Chinese peasants for many years. After all, the story with Damansky at one time did not arise from scratch and so frightened the leadership of the USSR that something was hastily thrown to the border with China everything that could be thrown there. For some time it became quiet there, or maybe China just realized that it had not yet matured with the Union on an equal footing. Now a different realization may have come, since he began to roll a barrel to the United States and Japan and to India and Russia at once. But it’s not easy for him to reach the States, and you won’t get much from Japan and India either. But you can take a try from Russia. And it would be a gift to the States, as the war between the USSR and Germany once became a gift for England.
    So I won’t be surprised if the Internet passions in China in Russian territories are sponsored not only by China
    1. artist-mamluk
      artist-mamluk 28 September 2012 19: 55
      0
      The war with China is not beneficial to China, it is beneficial to the Amers, so I think in China they are not fools at the "helm" either. If we take three countries, the Russian Federation, China and Amerav, then the war is beneficial to the country who refrained from it.
  36. ivachum
    ivachum 28 September 2012 15: 07
    +2
    "The rise of China requires that the lost Far Eastern territories must be returned, the author is convinced. Russia does not have sufficient human, material and financial resources to control the Far East, he is sure. We need to take the initiative to return these territories," the author writes. If Putin really returns us the "lost" lands, it will have a beneficial effect on the stability of the Sino-Russian relations. This will be evidence of true friendship, mutual respect and solidarity between our countries, the author sums up.

    In the 90s in Russia it was called - RECET. The answer must be appropriate. am
  37. sapulid
    sapulid 28 September 2012 16: 03
    +2
    Due to the censorship in China, this article provokes an injection of information into the Russian media market. The attitude of the aborigines of these territories to this issue is probed. In addition, the reader is being programmed that this territory HISTORICALLY belongs to China.

    Draw your own conclusions, do we have an ally in the person of China or should we use its potential to combat the common threat, without forgetting, destroy the latter, after eliminating the threat itself ..

    China, we are not a friend. Bye, not an enemy. What will happen tomorrow when the West starts financing China’s aggression against us? The one that began military-technical cooperation between the West and China threatens us with the appearance on our eastern borders of a neighbor who has a modern, high-tech, multi-million army, ready to liberate the illegally occupied territories of his country.

    Conclusion, do you. For me, the outcome of the confrontation between the three world powers has been clear for a long time. The United States will try to set Russia against China, so that, after the destruction or significant weakening of the latter as a result of a clash, it will gain dominance where the influence of the quarreling will weaken. Divide and rule. Nothing comes to mind? The story goes in a spiral. What happened to the "Holy Roman Empire"?
  38. Nechai
    Nechai 28 September 2012 17: 30
    0
    Quote: gregor6549
    once he began to roll a barrel on the USA and Japan and India and Russia right away

    Actually, now and gradually, and at times openly in the PRC, the population is ideologically processed in the sense that all neighbors owe them something. That is, steps are taken to introduce the following thought about the world hegemony of the PRC.
  39. Nechai
    Nechai 28 September 2012 17: 59
    0
    PS. Remember, when we say that the Hitlerite regime was fostered by American and British bigwigs, we lose sight of the ESSENTIAL detail - without the internal universal DESIRE and, most importantly, the READY of the Germans and Austrians, all this Adolf nonsense about the millennial Reich would not have been worth a damn.
    And now look at how alarming the historical and economic parallels are dancing out - and then and now the Anglo-Saxons are in every possible way contributing to the gaining of power at all of our quiet neighbor. With explicit revanchist zawah.
    There will be plenty of enticement for the Chinese people. And the land, and minerals, and most importantly WOMEN. Yes, not one at a time, but as much as you like. The provision of Novokhan's harems will be taken care of by the castrated "long-nosed devils".
    Nah! Alkaida Forrevar tries China! Okromya Uyghurs (and the Chinese are now taking their oil for nothing) there are enough other Muslims.
  40. zemlyak
    zemlyak 28 September 2012 18: 34
    +2
    it will be, it will be, it will be. Today there are posters with anti-Japanese slogans, and tomorrow with the demand to give the Far East and Siberia to Baikal. Wait, everything has its time. Here the highest echelon of power will change in Russia together with the president (someday) and then ... the Chinese know how to wait. although after leaving our president on a well-deserved rest, the Chinese can make some noise at the expense of the seven rivers. an optimist learns English, a pessimist learns Chinese, but we have to clean, disassemble and assemble Kalashnikov every day.
  41. DeamonFIre
    DeamonFIre 28 September 2012 19: 09
    0
    Nemtsov was also considered friends in 1939 ...
  42. gregor6549
    gregor6549 28 September 2012 19: 10
    +2
    A couple of years ago I worked in a company where an emigrant from China worked (by the way, a very cool programmer) and who still had parents and a lot of other relatives in China. She went to them regularly, and upon her return she sometimes told me that colorful pictures of an unprecedented rise in the state of good in China have nothing to do with reality. Those. this state has reached sky-high heights for a number of Chinese nouveau riche and party functionaries, (which does not matter) and ordinary people plow for pennies which are hardly enough to make ends meet. She told a lot of other differences. It turns out that in China there is a developed network of people selling organs to the domestic and foreign markets. Moreover, both private doctors and government agencies (for example, Chinese prisons, etc. institutions) are doing this. Clients (possibly lonely, but healthy) for these structures are looked out for by special people, after which healthy organs are cut out from the client under a plausible pretext. Do not believe? I also did not believe it at first. But after she showed an article with photos written by a Chinese journalist, she believed. Moreover, information has been walking around the world for a long time. Here is one of the links: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2009-11-16/illegal-organ-trade-rife-in-china/1144634
  43. Rossmk
    Rossmk 28 September 2012 19: 13
    +1
    Impudent, bastards ...
    They won’t take us by force, because for the strategic nuclear forces the number of Chinese is not so important.
    Like it or not, and nuclear weapons will remain a weighty argument for a long time to come.
    We need to strengthen cooperation with India, as one of the possible balances to China.
    1. gor
      gor 28 September 2012 19: 22
      -2
      Well, show your nuclear weapons)))))))))))))))))))))))
      1. Rossmk
        Rossmk 28 September 2012 20: 06
        +1
        The weapon is not with me, but with my country, and my country is Russia and I myself am a purebred (as far as possible) Russian. And the place of stay doesn’t matter to me that much.
        1. Alexander Petrovich
          Alexander Petrovich 29 September 2012 00: 00
          +2
          Well, I’m Moldavian, half Cossack Kuban, and if you count, then in my family is Russian. Ukrainian and Don Cossack blood. Moldova My homeland, and Russia is the stronghold of my world.
          1. Rossmk
            Rossmk 29 September 2012 00: 08
            0
            For me, Russia is both the Motherland and the mainstay of the world, and in my blood, for the most part, Russians and Ukrainians are in the minority.
            1. Alexander Petrovich
              Alexander Petrovich 29 September 2012 01: 52
              +1
              where was he born?
              1. Rossmk
                Rossmk 30 September 2012 13: 02
                0
                Alas, here. Just out of luck. During the USSR, a grandfather from Germany was sent here to conduct disciplinary training of soldiers in the military commissariat, and then the bam and the union broke up.
                1. Alexander Petrovich
                  Alexander Petrovich 4 October 2012 03: 22
                  0
                  So your homeland is Moldova, and your son is not chosen, only ideas are chosen. I took the side of Russia not only because of consanguinity, but also for a number of historical, ideological and political reasons.
  44. _arbit
    _arbit 28 September 2012 19: 27
    0
    Aboriginal poker. Above is a post about the Khabarovsk region ... mmm, the Ukrainian region can look at the map more closely. We are already building a bridge for the Chinese :(
  45. lesnik.
    lesnik. 28 September 2012 19: 27
    0
    Until China establishes its control in the Asia-Pacific region / South China Sea /, it will not go to a military conflict with Russia.
    And to put under control, a third of the world's sea freight traffic by peaceful means, who will give him.
    1. gregor6549
      gregor6549 28 September 2012 19: 41
      0
      It's almost like that parable about the cow and chocolate. "Can your cow eat chocolate?" Eat then she will eat it, then give it to her. "Alas, not so with China. He already has Russian" chocolate "with might and main and without any vigorous weapons. In an apparent order, spreading wider and wider on Russian soil. And then prove that this land not his. He will vividly show you the graves of your ancestors on it and prove that they appeared there even before the birth of Christ. And there is already a sea of ​​living Chinese there. China will not fight against its own. And there are almost no "aliens" there. Let them plow ... on the Chinese masters. Extra hands are never superfluous. They have already taken half the world with such a quiet sly. And no shooting for you. Druzba, comradesi
      1. lesnik.
        lesnik. 28 September 2012 20: 01
        +1
        And this is not a question for China, but for the Russian government, whether it has the will to defend or not defend Russia's interests.
        1. artist-mamluk
          artist-mamluk 28 September 2012 20: 24
          +2
          Lord. You are all 100% right, only there is a small BUT, all that China does is copy all that is, they stamp their labels and that's it. And in vain slander about power (I also do not really like it, very soft). We ourselves allow visitors to create their own laws, they have diasporas, communities, and so on. and tp .. And we each for ourselves .. I believe that WE will understand that no one will stand up for the Russian backgammon, except for the Russian people themselves. Everything is in our hands and heads.
          1. lesnik.
            lesnik. 28 September 2012 20: 40
            +3
            Quote: artist-mamluk
            I believe that WE will understand that no one will stand up for the Russian backgammon, except for the Russian people themselves. Everything is in our hands and heads.

            Who would argue.
  46. karimbaev
    karimbaev 28 September 2012 20: 13
    0
    At the Chinese military forums, they are seriously discussing the prospects of a “massive tank campaign” in the Far Eastern regions of Russia. It is probably no coincidence that tests of new tanks and other armored vehicles are mainly carried out in Inner Mongolia, which in its climatic conditions is most similar to the regions of the Russian Far East and Siberia

    You’ll think about a tank trip, and where do you get so much diesel fuel and you still need such an armada. Let them go and eat sometime they want, and we will poison them with food, eat high on health))))))))
    1. ivachum
      ivachum 28 September 2012 22: 21
      +1
      Unfortunately for the Chinese, it’s not so simple .... tongue Having a lot of tanks and being able to use them correctly are two different things. I recall that on June 22, 1941, the USSR had an overwhelming superiority in the number of tanks separately and mechanized units in general, but .... The Wehrmacht exceeded the Red Army in command and control of units and formations, the ability to concentrate efforts, communications, and organization of interaction between types of aircraft (motorized parts and aviation, for example), the organization of rear and technical support, intelligence, etc.

      So the prospect of a “massive tank campaign” is likely to remain the prospect. And climatic conditions are not the only problem on the path of the Chinese tankers. Large tank formations are good in the lowlands. In the conditions of the Siberian taiga, you will have to move only along roads and glades. And in the mountains, in general, tanks fade into the background - they become support for the infantry from the striking force (as in urban conditions).
  47. v53993
    v53993 28 September 2012 23: 00
    +2
    "These territories were inhabited by" ancient Chinese northern nomadic ethnic minorities "

    Nonsense. Wandering does not mean living. Gypsies wander around the world. So are they entitled to the whole world?
  48. Zomanus
    Zomanus 29 September 2012 04: 28
    0
    People. With toes, generally need to be treated especially. Chinese, Koreans, Central Asia and others. They constantly break through weakly. And as soon as they clearly understand what is possible, they will go cut us without any mental torment. Take as an example the cutting out of the Russian population in Central Asia during the era of the collapse of the USSR ... Therefore, such punctures must be clearly answered by military exercises near their borders and by testing new means of mass destruction, ibid.
  49. Magadan
    Magadan 29 September 2012 05: 16
    0
    Quote: aksakal
    I will add - despite the protests against juvenile life that have already begun in Russia, this muck is being introduced in Russia. They are introduced only because of the desire to look "civilized" in the eyes of the so-called. the world community, just to please the West a little more. There are simply no other reasons to introduce juvenile life.

    Thank you Aksakal. I will add about myself that they are introducing this satanic abomination, since they themselves are completely sick in the head perverts. That is similar to similar. In such "laws" there is our main danger, and not in the Chinese.
    It’s clear that such Chinese "comrades" are simply paid by the State Department to drive a wedge between us. China and Russia will now hold on to each other in opposition to NATO and other Satanists.