At the flight testing station of OJSC Rostvertol, a demonstration flight of the prototype Mi-2M helicopter took place

A demonstration flight of a prototype Mi-2M helicopter with new engines took place at the flight test station of Rostvertol, part of the holding company Helicopters of Russia, with reports of Our Time.

Piloted car honored test pilot Valery Kalashnikov of Russia. Along with him on board was also a leading flight test engineer Airat Khusnutdinov.

Note that the main direction of upgrading the Mi-2 to the Mi-2M version was to replace the obsolete GTD-350 engines with modern, more powerful and cost-effective AI-450M production of the Ukrainian company Motor Sich.

“We are pleased with the cooperation of our company with the Russian plant Rostvertol.” Thanks to joint actions and modernization, the Mi-2 helicopter received a “new heart” and a “second life”, said Igor Kravchenko, the general designer of the Ukrainian state-owned enterprise Ivchenko-Progress, who was watching the Mi-2М demonstration flight. I think all those who gathered on the airfield agreed with these words.

The helicopter, rising into the sky, demonstrated aerobatics, then, after making a few laps, to the applause of a strict commission, it gently sank to the ground.

General Director of Rostvertol OJSC Boris Slusar said: “Mi-2 is a classic of helicopter building. It is actively exploited both in Russia and abroad. "Rostvertol" plans to upgrade this type of helicopters simultaneously with the overhaul. So we have big plans for the Mi-2M. ”

Comments

[spender]

Yes, "old men" are given a new life !!! Reliable, time-tested technology

[VAF]

Quote: spender

Reliable, time-tested technology

Well, finally it happened !!! 15 years .. a cat flew under the tail !!! +!

Watch everyone! Very clear ...!

[Vadivak]

Quote: vaf

Watch everyone! Very clear

I've seen a lot of live, for every day the Air Force in the 70s must have made Mi-2 demonstration flights

[Antipetian 2]

Ladies and gentlemen, I remind you that the MO is not at all interested in the Mi-2. Still, age is hinting. The prospects of such a project are a little unclear. Please explain who is in the subject. You can recall Eurocopters for the sun

[Wedmak]

Civilian application for example.

[Antipetian 2]

I can’t imagine that someone wants to buy this. The price is normal, but in itself it is outdated. How can this be preferred by Eurocopter or even Ansat or Ka-226?

[Wedmak]

So I don’t know if new fuselages and avionics for it are being produced now. But imagine you already have such a baby. I think replacing the engines will come to you much cheaper than the same new Ansat. Yes, the flight resource is probably not exhausted yet - why throw out something that does its job well? Even if it was released 30-40 years ago.

[Antipetian 2]

This does not count! I mean, purely new cars. Absurdity after all! They would have raked Mi-1 from the bins of the motherland

[Wedmak]

And where is it written in the text that this is a completely new machine?

[Antipetian 2]

Well then, what is the stated modernization?

[Wedmak]

Well hello, come .... The fact that the engines have been replaced, is that what you think?

[Vadivak]

Quote: Antipetyan 2

They would have raked Mi-1 from the bins of the motherland

This is unlikely to replace the Mi-2 and it was created

[Konrad]

Quote: Antipetyan 2

They would have raked Mi-1 from the bins of the motherland

And put a turboprop engine on it?

[Nick]

Quote: Wedmak

Why throw out something that does its job well? Even if it was released 30-40 years ago.

That's right, "Kalash", for example, in its sixties in the service of the Fatherland, is being modernized slowly and continues to serve faithfully, because there is no worthy replacement yet ... New is not always the best ...

[Vadivak]

Quote: Antipetyan 2

I can’t imagine that someone wants to buy this.

Not all bucks print, there are amber republics for example

[viruskvartirus]

"An enterprise, Motor Sich Helicopters, has been created in Zaporozhye, which will carry out remotorization and modernization of Mi-8 helicopters. This is not only an engine replacement, as this is only the first stage. The second stage is a change in the helicopter control system, replacement of avionics with more perfect, that is, what makes the helicopter comfortable. And the Mi-8 hull itself, which we buy, is designed for centuries. It does not rust. We have the basis today - the Mi-8T, Mi-2 hull, and we saturate it ", - said Bozhkov. "The entire article is http://ubr.ua/market/industrial/vertikalnyi-vzlet-motor-sich-zaimetsia-vypuskom-
vertoletov-xnumx
The machine is very successful "but due to the successful layout of the helicopter, the perfection of the design, it was possible to create an effective economical machine with high performance characteristics, on which the Russian national team still wins the world championships in helicopter sports." and it is being modernized, which means evolution and improvement ...

[VAF]

Quote: Antipetyan 2

I remind you that the MO is not at all interested in the Mi-2

If this is news for you, then I report that the majority of members of the forum are aware of what MO Taburetkin is "interested" in!

[Antipetian 2]

With what? Tell me

[VAF]

Quote: Antipetyan 2

Tell me

Once. Just recently, I tried to explain on the F-35 plane ..... enough for the rest of my life So sorry ... but ... I'm pass

Quote: Antipetyan 2

With what?

The main type of training is .... self-training, so look and ...... and then .. Your decision

[Antipetian 2]

What a stool the army brought!

[Antipetian 2]

What a damned furniture maker! The air force does not give any new equipment, the bastard! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B49TeChIDU

[VAF]

Quote: Antipetyan 2

What a damned furniture maker! The air force does not give any new equipment, the bastard! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B49TeChIDU

[edge]

the machine was developed as a liaison officer of a division-army link

[AIvanA]

I explain, I flew these cars at one time and I can honestly say that this is not a very bad helicopter of its class, but the engine and some other components were its weak point, and then it was connected with the Polish assembly, the car got more powerful and reliable the engine, and the ansat that interested the stool, it is much more expensive and there are a lot of questions to reliability, and the Mi-2 tested machine worked with a margin forgiving many mistakes of young pilots.

[Wedmak]

Ofiget of course .... waking up a passenger in the cabin, not one or two bricks would have produced ....

[Alexey Prikazchikov]

VAF and tries it is ANSAT or what mi2 is more familiar chtol?

[Yarbay]

good news gives way to bad !!

After the incident with the commander of the Swifts aerobatic team, two pilots left the reserve team.

One of the pilots decided to quit after the soldiers were removed from the military unit in Kubinka, where the Swifts are based. Now the pilots have to carry the guard themselves and perform the functions of ordinary soldiers.

“This was the reason for the dismissal of one officer, another decided to quit because of the situation with the Swifts commander, because“ he sees no reason to continue the service, ”a source close to the aerobatic team told RIA Novosti.
http://news.rambler.ru/15682016/

[Wedmak]

What nonsense is this? How can a combat pilot carry a guard ???? And with the second it’s not at all clear ... what does it mean that it does not make sense? Again stuffing misinformation?

[Yarbay]

Quote: Wedmak

How can a combat pilot carry a guard?

shocked himself, read and shark !!

[spender]

Quote: Yarbay

shocked himself, read and shark !!

I support, I myself have read this news in "Vzglyad" today, but why be surprised, the airfield is "strangled" to remove the MO from there and give it to someone who has paid money for a long time ... The land there is "golden"

[d.gksueyjd]

How can a combat pilot carry a guard?
The pilots are on guard: in body armor, armed with personal weapons and machine guns.

[VAF]

Quote: Wedmak

What nonsense is this?

An army only on ... pictures on the Internet saw?

Quote: Wedmak

How can a combat pilot carry a guard ????

Silently! Duty guards in the garrison, guard commander in the unit, etc., etc.!

Quote: Wedmak

What does it make no sense?

And what do you personally see the point in? Taburetkin still does not leave a dream to remove the Knights and Swifts from the Cuban! What will mean the unambiguous elimination of these groups!

Two more of the Swifts are sent to help in creating a new aerobatic team on Yak-130 airplanes ... in principle, nothing terrible, it seems, but .... what for a new one if there is a ready-made, fly-by and experienced Vyazmenskaya "Rus" flying on half-dead L -39's ???
Change the planes and that's it ... but no, Taburetkin goes "his own", one like as he knows .. "way"!

[Antipetian 2]

Damned Serdyuk did everything!

[Wedmak]

Yeah ... in the pictures, where else can I see her ....

Now the pilots have to carry the guard themselves and perform the functions of ordinary soldiers.

This is what I had in mind, and not the duty of guards and the rest that you indicated.

[d.gksueyjd]

Quote: Wedmak

How can a combat pilot carry a guard?

from 1991 to 2000, officers were guarding the Air Force military unit, Art. officers and ensign. It is practiced now. Conscripts: either absent or busy households. work, or assigned to cottages. After a massive reduction in count. outfits 2-3 per week. The entire personnel of the flight regiment in service, and some 30.12-08.01 times, fall into orders from 2 to 3. For each written word I bear responsibility and can prove

[VAF]

Quote: d.gksueyjd

For each written word I bear responsibility and can prove

Only, +!

But the only exceptions were the period of hostilities, where this "obligation" was removed from the flight crew.

And for the new year, in principle, right down to the comasoc! Well, according to the standard, it didn’t even come to that ... starting from komesok and higher, they naturally didn’t go to combined-arms outfits, but they were scooped up .. with standard projectiles, on duty at the command post and responsible!

Everything else is TRUTH word for word! ++ !!

[valokordin]

The whole story with the Swifts, smells like the destruction of the aerobatic team

[klimpopov]

Lord, he still flies ... Well, if they upgraded and the engines were changed, then only on the road, but I honestly thought they were already at peace ...

[Vadivak]

Quote: klimpopov

but I honestly thought they were already completely at rest ...

They did the first flight in 62, and before 1992, the Poles even made a fire support helicopter based on it, put the NS-23KM gun, and two NURSAs of the type UB-16-57 PK machine guns, we didn’t have this, in the USSR it was considered pampering combat turrets enough, but 8 people and about a ton of cargo it yes, dragged

[edge]

the machine is very good, deliver by mail, bp toss, reconnaissance reconnaissance, conduct reconnaissance: auxiliary functions must also be performed

[nik6006]

Here is a wonderful machine for special forces will be. Yes, and with Nurses!

[Drappier]

The old horse will not spoil the furrow, good flight

[andrey.joshua]

The old horse won't ruin the furrow

Actually, it sounds like this: "The old horse does not spoil the furrow, but it does not plow deeply either." And this is true reality! Mi - 2 is not just a good car, a robotic ... but also a desk for novice pilots! And its modernization ..... it's certainly great! Understand correctly, the Apple tree has outlived its time, time for new seedlings! I just want to say that, as it were, the absence of air and other production capacities did not lead us: to a completely absurd modernization ... such as: Remove T-34, IS-2, MIG-21, and MIG from pedistals -15, but what will some say, the motor resource is large, a couple of computers, new shells and in front !!! ???

[Antipetian 2]

But not in the 21st century! With such Euros, Ka-226 and Ansatami!

[Vadivak]

Quote: Antipetyan 2

But not in the 21st century! so!

You tell AvtoVAZ, and Mi-2 thing

[Antipetian 2]

And what does AvtoVAZ have to do with it?

[Wedmak]

Well, not so bad ... This helicopter is still working. And on the pedestal it is too early for him anyway.

[volcano]

E mine ...... modernization is class ...
But maybe we’ll create something new ....... you can’t always modernize forever ...
Where's the new ..... We don’t see helicopter razoditie ....
And this, given our open spaces ..... I’m in a civilian, except MI-8 and this MI-2, I don’t remember something ... there are certainly special ones, but I'm talking about mass application.

[FID]

I can please you. Someone Poghosyan MA, together with Italian Augusta, is going to design and build a new helicopter. Does this remind you of anything? And the Mi-2 is a reliable and good car. One hundred years of her life!

[Tjumenec72]

The output will be another Ka-60

[Vadivak]

Quote: SSI

Someone Poghosyan M.A.

June 1, 2012, from the company's net profit for 2011 in the amount of 788 045 669 rub. send to the Development Fund - 275 001 671,17 rubles,.; dividend payment - 513 043 997,83 rub. Feel the difference between the Development Fund and the payment of dividends Kommersant .... its ...

[volcano]

Yes, I’m not sure how I was delighted ..... why together? Yes Poghosyan like that lately ... ahem ..... annoying ..
And in general, Italians have already got it ....
Sometimes it seems that Russia-Italy is such a joint venture between Putin and Berlusconi.

[FID]

Quote: volkan

Sometimes it seems that Russia-Italy is such a joint venture between Putin and Berluscon

It looks very, very. Either the Lynx, the new president’s helicopter (there is evidence that it’s Italian), then the purchase of the Ministry of Defense is not our helicopters, then Poghosyan’s projects ... Very similar!

[Antipetian 2]

Yeah, but you forgot the Centaur and Frechchia!

[FID]

Yeah, but you forgot the Centaur and Frechchia!


I’m not afraid to be a dunno - I haven’t heard such names.

[Antipetian 2]

Hear soon! They are kind of like being tested!

[FID]

This will be another confirmation of the joint venture, just!

[VAF]

Quote: SSI

Someone Poghosyan MA, together with Italian Augusta, is going to design and build a new helicopter.

Seryoga, and you know, at least me, did not surprise me at all !!! +

[Tjumenec72]

There is its analogue - Ansat, they are buying it

And the Mi-2 is operated in many places, it is quite possible to earn money on its modernization.

[VAF]

Quote: Tjumenec72

There is its analogue - Ansat, they are buying it

Well, well, well ... who buys ????

[FID]

Instead of Tjumenec72, I will try to answer: no one. MO wanted to buy, but ...

[VAF]

Quote: SSI

I will try to answer: no one. MO wanted to buy, but.

Seryoga, do not prompt! +!
And then they are from themselves experts ofigetnyh of the Internet think. so let them be kind enough to answer ... for ... what was said!
And then these .... arranged to see a beautiful picture in the magazine or in the internet there are 4 Ansats and that's it .. the plane has fallen, the blender has closed and rushed ... we will tear all of us now ... and the fact that the Kazan residents themselves completely redo the ESD , which in its current state is not suitable for flight, and are returning to Ansat to the good old scheme to them .. these .. dumb ...... on the drum!
The main thing is to bark in time .. good news and fame pu, and there .... they’re on the drum!

[spender]

Quote: vaf

The main thing is to bark in time .. good news and fame pu, and there .... they’re on the drum!

Seryoga, there is already a new method !!! Whoever speaks the truth and returns from heaven to earth, all are completely spies, the fifth column and white-ribbon men !!! Previously, only you and I were spies, apparently we were "tested" with technology

[FID]

Quote: spender

Before, only you and I were spies,

And they paid money for scribbles. The crisis is where it started!

[spender]

Quote: SSI

And they paid money for scribbles.

Yes, there was no money, only bans, resetting the rating, transferring to "Visitors2" and other whips ...

[FID]

Yes, there was no money, only bans,




About the money for the scribble, in my opinion it was yesterday, and maybe today. Someone tried to accuse you of espionage ...

[spender]

Quote: SSI

About the money for the scribble, in my opinion it was yesterday, and maybe today. Someone tried to accuse you of espionage ...

I’m used to it ... I don’t know how I served my pension ... Russia does not pay the State Department In general, it's funny to see how people are deaf to the truth, but they are greedy for "oil" and slogans ..

[sergey32]

Spender, no offense. The other day I was in a small homeland, I saw a childhood friend. He lives in a village plowing land. His brother served in the police, recently retired. A friend says: after harvesting or plowing, when I can barely crawl home (not from vodka, he doesn’t drink), I always think why the policeman has a pension in 45, but a tractor driver in 60.

[Konrad]

Quote: spender

In general, it's funny to see how people are deaf to the truth, but they are greedy for "oil" and slogans ..

It seems (unfortunately) most of them are here.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: SSI

About the money for the scribble, in my opinion it was yesterday, and maybe today. Someone tried to accuse you of espionage

Sergey, they accused me of the fact that I personally receive money from Obama’s hands, they say they saw how it was

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: spender

Yes, there was no money, only bans, resetting the rating, transfer to "Visitors2" and other whips

And the transfer of all comments and personal files to the competent authorities. Winnie promised me that for my comments the FSB will deal with me I’m sitting on a assembled bag, men, ready for the stage, if I see the loss of the Sita, I’ll look for it in Lubyanka

[FID]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

I'm sitting on the assembled bag men ready for the stage

And will they get to Vladik? Moscow are afraid to go there!

[Denzel13]

Sasha, is he collecting files on you? That damn people have free time

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: SSI

And they paid money for scribbles.

Sergey, and not only pay, but in the State Department itself I was invited yesterday by one on the site to take their share

[FID]

Guys, you both appeared there! Both pluses for the State Department!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: SSI

Guys, you both appeared there! Both pluses for the State Department!

Thank you Sergey, good news, so we’ll sit together with a spender. Food from the restaurant, the best lawyers, commercial camera You can sit with a spender

[Antipetian 2]

Damned Serdyuk even reached the Air Force! How does the land carry with its "reforms"?

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[FID]

Quote: vaf

themselves completely redo the ESDU

Helicopter EDSU - it's .. only boiled eggs are cooler. I don’t deal with helicopters, but you posted the news to me!

[Wedmak]

Vaf, with all due respect to you as a pilot - in vain you are so tuned. The fact that you know more than others that is happening in aviation does not give you the right to think of yourself as a cool uncle and to poke everyone else that they are noobs full .... Let the people be glad that at least something is starting to appear and be updated.
No one thinks that now we’ll be divisions, we will roll out planes, helicopters and more from the factory.
Let's show respect, huh? And the word "uryakalki" given out in your posts is already becoming offensive.

[spender]

Quote: Wedmak

with all due respect to you as a pilot - you shouldn’t be so tuned in vain.

Positive, sure, erudite

Quote: Wedmak

The fact that you know more than others what is happening in aviation does not give you the right to think of yourself as a cool uncle and to poke everyone else that they are full noobs ...

I have never seen it. First he explains, accessible and persistent after that, if he sees that the person is "blinkered" sometimes gives a shock, but politely and correctly

Quote: Wedmak

Let the people rejoice that at least something is starting to appear and be updated.

If it depended on him ... But look at inflation, the growth of housing and communal services and debt forgiveness ... However, the VAF posted a photo of a "nest" with the runway and infrastructure, you can find and be glad that at least someone is doing well ...

Quote: Wedmak

No one thinks that now we’ll be divisions, we will roll out planes, helicopters and more from the factory. Let's show respect, huh?

We have already gone through this ... and "on foreign territory with small victims" "" and "we will defeat, we will destroy the enemy", maybe enough to step on a rake?

Quote: Wedmak

And the word "uryakalki" given out in your posts is already becoming offensive.

HOORAY!!! it is our pride and it is not in vain in the army that they congratulate URA with congratulations! HOORAY! HOORAY! (Who received the titles and positions, celebrated birthdays in army collectives), but the fool is something ...

[Wedmak]

I actually didn’t write to you.

[spender]

Quote: Wedmak

I actually didn’t write to you.

When they "hurt" my friend, I take it as personal ... But to justify oneself is stupid, it was not for nothing that lawyers were introduced in the courts From the side it is more visible

[Wedmak]

Well, let’s answer you, since it hurts you too. What a friend (or mister) Vaf writes:

And then they are from themselves experts ofigetnyh of the Internet think. so let them be kind enough to answer ... for ... what was said! bully

Indeed, you need to answer. Only one size fits all "they think of themselves as experts awesome Internet" do not need to be equated. Everyone speaks to the best of their competence, for this, comments are needed.

And then these .... arranged to see a beautiful picture in the magazine or on the Internet of their 4's Ansatov and that's it .. the plane fell, the blenkers closed and rushed ... we’ll tear everyone up now ... and the fact that Kazan’s themselves completely redo the ESD , which in its current state is not flight-suitable and return to Ansat to the good old scheme by them

How many clever words. Yes, they saw, but they rejoiced! And here some
plank, blenker and more? Let me screw some sentences from
network and server administration - let's see what do you understand?

..that ..fuck away ...... on the drum!
The main thing is to bark in time .. good news and fame pu, and there .... they’re on the drum!

to this ... foolishness ... Doesn’t it seem to you that this is a dismissive attitude to all the participants in the discussion?

[spender]

Quote: Wedmak

Well, let’s answer you, since it hurts you too. What does a comrade (or lord) write

I don’t have to answer, otherwise it turns into a discussion, the rest is not interesting ... You unsubscribed, I answered what I thought was necessary ..

Quote: Wedmak

Let me screw some suggestions from the administration of networks and servers too - let's see what do you understand?

We are on the military site, not on the site of the sysadmins, there and "sparkle with edges" ... And here listen to smart and experienced military

Quote: Wedmak

to this ... foolishness ... Doesn’t it seem to you that this is a dismissive attitude to all the participants in the discussion?

Not all participants discuss foolishness, so do not dramatize and globalize the situation.
Then I take my leave

[Wedmak]

You answered my post without asking if I want this or not. So I do not need to indicate whether to answer yours or not.
I will listen to smart and experienced military personnel if they behave normally. Instead of nodding from the height of your "flight" to
"these ...." (c) Vaf

Could simply explain that Ansat is not bought and why, and not give out a tirade, they say they don’t understand, but I know that someone is redoing something there ...
And where does the military site? There are many non-military people here, they may well be interested in why "Kazan residents themselves are completely remaking the ESDU", but this was said in such a tone that interest has already disappeared ...

In general, I think Vaf’s post was offensive. No drama or globalization. It's my opinion.

[FID]

Quote: Wedmak

And here some
plank, blenker and more?

I'm sorry, but he wrote it to me. I understand what a blender is and what kind of slats it talks about. Why take offense at what is not told to you. If you want to know, I’m happy to tell you about it.

[Wedmak]

I was not offended. I was outraged by the way Vaf spoke about the others ... "these ...". This is permissible in personal correspondence, but not on, as it was said here, "the site is general".

[FID]

Quote: Wedmak

I was not offended. I was outraged by the way Vaf spoke about the others ... "these ...". This is permissible in personal correspondence, but not on, as it was said here, "the site is general".

You see, we have been in aviation for a long time and the constant attacks well ... are a little annoying. It turns out, and I often go on business trips to aircraft factories, that everyone around me knows more. Now in one place the planes are mass-produced, then in another. I don’t see that. I will reveal a terrible secret: planes cannot fly without our "products". And in the last YEARS a few aircraft sets of our equipment have been ordered. When you try to convey this information, then ... you yourself can see what happens. Almost an enemy of the people. I'm still holding back, but Sergey is more emotional. That's it. Do not be offended, the right word!

[Wedmak]

I'm not offended. Their "wards" taught me. But, you see, information can be conveyed in different ways.
three cases:
or you just send a person to .... (to choose from) and he will be offended and leave thinking ... (a lot of things),
or you make fun of this person, he will also be offended and will no longer be interested in this topic,
or you calmly explain to a person what he is wrong about and why so, and not otherwise (of course, no need to give out secrets) and this person will be even more interested and maybe something will do useful.
So what's better? Is it hard to throw a couple of links? Not. Who wants to, will read, who does not want, you can not answer.

I saw here, of course, stubborn ones, it is very difficult for them to argue, but it is somehow inappropriate to call everyone "these ..", "uryakalki" and "they don't care ..."

[spender]

Quote: Wedmak

But, you must admit, information can be conveyed in different ways.

Again, everything is slipping into the flow of information ...
This is not a pedagogical site ... Look for Google's information yourself to help you, you can get search directions, but no one will "chew" here ... People come here to communicate, and not to "tutor"

[Wedmak]

And here is pedagogy, I don’t understand at all ...
The point is how Vaf presented the information. He turned to
SSI, while expressing a dismissive attitude towards everyone else. Something like, here we are smart here, the rest of the fools - they’re only fooling. What I noticed.
What kind of communication can there be if someone puts himself above all others?

[spender]

Quote: Wedmak

The point is how Vaf presented the information. He turned to the SSI, while expressing a dismissive attitude towards everyone else. Something like, here we are smart here, the rest of the fools - they’re only fooling. What I noticed.

Well, these are pearls ... You should talk with Pupyrchaty, you stand each other ... The same obstinacy and a sea of ​​posts about nothing ...
What are you fantasizing about insults and insults, this is your business, but you were not authorized to speak on behalf of the members of the forum, so "broadcast" on your own behalf and no more.

Quote: Wedmak

What kind of communication can there be if someone puts himself above all others?

Consider yourself lower, here one even called himself "lowered" and nothing, but I admit, for example, that the VAF and the SSI know more than me in aviation, a steam locomotive in naval themes, Sparrow, Nechai and Kars in armored vehicles, but not offended by this I think, but I am simply grateful to them for the knowledge that I receive from them
I’m tying it up, otherwise I’m afraid I will fall off ...

[Wedmak]

So you turned over half of my words .... Well, all right, we will not continue this meaningless conversation.

[FID]

Denis! If you try not to include ALL statements, it will be easier! And on the Internet, believe me, there are not always links to the pilot's cabin!

[Wedmak]

But I didn’t. Just the eye hurts this attitude.
So I wrote ...

..of course, do not give out secrets ...

You never know what a potential enemy will see ...

[FID]

+ You are for understanding, and people should be treated softer, look at things more broadly ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Wedmak

I actually didn’t write to you.

It is common and it is not just the duty of the patriot of his country to support a comrade, but also a civic duty. All Chinar Chinarem

[Wedmak]

Even if he is wrong in how he addresses the rest of the forum participants?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Wedmak

Even if he is wrong in how he addresses the rest of the forum participants?

Even if he is wrong, I will be on his side. So far it has not been that Sergei was wrong! But many were rude to him and not on business, and some continue to do so.

[Wedmak]

I have no complaints about Vaf as a specialist! I have indicated unacceptable expressions in normal society. For me, the phrase (I quote again!)

.This .. Uryakalkam ...... on the drum!
The main thing is to bark in time .. good news and fame pu, and there .... they’re on the drum!

evokes only negative emotions and completely discourages listening to smart and experienced military in the person of Vaf.

[Antipetian 2]

I have no complaints about Vaf as a specialist!

[Wedmak]

Like a joke?

[Antipetian 2]

No it's you joking

[Wedmak]

Mm ... and what, pilots are not experts?

[Antipetian 2]

No. I already understood ".... what .... he is ... ... A specialist ....."

[Wedmak]

So comment on it! What have I got to do with it?

[Antipetian 2]

I didn’t say anything about you

[spender]

Quote: Wedmak

Even if he is wrong in how he addresses the rest of the forum participants?

I will not offend and insult anyone ... Just a quote from Vysotsky

Paranoid in the foam
Как the witcher on the Sabbath:
"Untie the towels,
Inovers, savages!
We have a bermutorn in the heart
And Bermuta's soul! "

[Wedmak]

Well, why this quote? Those. blurted Vaf, and I fight in the foam I? Or how? Or did you just call me paranoid?
And if it's simple, why is the word "witcher" highlighted there?
But well, I will "get into the bottle" - your comment is very stupid and looks like a provocation ...

[Vadivak]

Quote: Wedmak

The fact that you know more than others what is happening in aviation does not give you the right to think of yourself as a tough uncle

Wow, it’s completely insolent, only in 2012 the Federal authorities propose replacing about 100 domestic small aircraft with foreign counterparts. 1,9 billion rubles are provided for the budget to upgrade the small aviation fleet. for three years.

How can I not recall the phrase of I.V. Stalin "We did not have an aviation industry, now it is" ..... and think

[Wedmak]

Well, the fact that some of our "rulers" practically directly defend the interests of foreign manufacturers is no secret to anyone. But what does Vaf have to do with it?

[Antipetian 2]

Want to talk about Iveco? Do you know that it has no analogues? The tiger is just preparing for testing. Or tell me a story that "Iveco - they didn't blow up"?

[Wedmak]

Eka you taxied ... Iveco then what side? It was about aviation.
There is an analogue just the same. Tiger. At the time of the Iveco test, the Tigers were indeed weaker in armor. And now there are several options. Including with enhanced bulletproof and mine protection.

[Antipetian 2]

The only version of the Tiger for the third Stanag will be tested only now (when I won't say specifically, I don't remember), that is, at the time of the adoption of Iveco, there were no Tigers. They were not "weaker", but simply shamefully did not fit, because the Tiger Jeep, and Iveco - a full-fledged MRAP with a capsule and ceramics

[Wedmak]

Well, well ... In general, this debate has broken more than a dozen rakes. Maybe we will not break the next? My personal opinion is that the Tiger is more universal. Add. armor can be hung, strengthen the bottom, and more ... Like any weapon of Russian production - it can be finished as you like. Until the installation of anti-tank systems on it or something cooler. And your Iveco, not only is he going to three countries, but also not really finish the needs of our army.

[Vadivak]

Quote: Wedmak

But then Vaf

You see Denis, I think he is both hurt and offended (as, incidentally, to many of those present), but he expresses it to put it mildly harshly, I personally didn’t understand him at first either (he “built me”) and then nothing, omitting some of Sergey’s statements, you learn a lot , and what photos does he upload? Well agree

[Wedmak]

I agree. The photos are very interesting, and writes a lot of interesting things.

[Antipetian 2]

Does he take pictures?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Vadivak

The budget provides for 1,9 billion rubles to upgrade the small aviation fleet. for three years.

Vadim, how much does the State Duma and its 450 deputies cost per year?

[Vadivak]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Vadim, how much does the State Duma and its 450 deputies cost per year?

In 2008, 5 billion 4 million rubles were allocated from the state budget for the maintenance of the State Duma of Russia., And time is running out .... prices are rising, deputies want to eat

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Vadivak

In 2008, 5 billion 4 million rubles were allocated from the state budget for the maintenance of the State Duma of Russia.

And again for comparison

Quote: Alexander Romanov

The budget provides for 1,9 billion rubles to upgrade the small aviation fleet. for three years

What's what, everyone will understand for himself

[Tjumenec72]

VAF they were well convinced (I didn’t put it right) - they have intentions to acquire (in any case, they spoke about this). You just do not ask for invoices from me)
I receive this information, like most of the network, when I did not appoint or designate myself as an expert.

PS: and about your style of communication - this is rudeness, and not what your merits do not give you the right to behave like that.
Unsubscribed on this topic WedmakI will not repeat.

[Konrad]

Quote: Tjumenec72

And the Mi-2 is operated in many places.

For lack of a maid, e ... janitor!

[Liasenski]

Helicopter Dipper, simple, reliable and small.

[King]

Mi-2m is definitely needed for both rescuers and the military. Well, there will be a demand for it in civilian airlines.

[Kolyan 2]

VAF,

A pilot finally young man, looked with pleasure +

[Sasha 19871987]

everything is new, well-forgotten old, of course this expression does not quite fit, but there is something in it, it pleases that there are engines in aviation

[Senzey]

Demand for small, light helicopters will always be. Mi-2 is reliable and tested, with new engines its efficiency and maneuverability improve. It can be used in many areas, sports, training, intelligence, postal. And we will help Ukrainian partners at the same time.

[Leisure]

If possible, let them upgrade, but not to the detriment of new developments, unless of course there are such.

[bubla5]

Yes, it is out of date a long time ago, a carbon copy in a carbon paper, in a Lada sun engine Merca, it will still remain

[GP]

This is what the Helicopter Publishing House writes
"Status. At present, Russia operates over a thousand Mi-2. At least 300 helicopters are used in other CIS countries. Dozens of machines are in the air fleets of non-CIS countries. The analysis of the state of the Mi-2 helicopter fleet shows that most of the machines have worked today, only about half of the resource and service life.Only in our country, more than three hundred machines can still serve for 10-15 years with an operating time of 5000 - 7000 flight hours. -400 will be able to serve for another 2-18 years, and their average operating time will be 25-10000 flight hours. "
Report about Mi-2A http://www.vertolet-media.ru/helicopters/mvz/mi-2a/

[tambu]

A good dviglo ... small ... quite reliable ... I tested it at one time ... almost 52000 rpm in the "Fly" mode, this is not for you to drive soap in a basin)) ...

[Vadivak]

Quote: tambu

it’s you not to drive soap in the basin

Liked +

[BARKAS]

Of the helicopters for agricultural aviation, there is practically no alternative to MI-2 today, apart from the different exotic, the farmers will be happy and the athletes too.

[Nechai]

Quote: Kolyan 2

A pilot finally young man, looked with pleasure +

Not every person can be a pilot of a helicopter AT ALL. You count how MUCH SIMULTANEOUS it is necessary for him to carry out actions and to monitor parameters and situation. One of the most difficult professions.

[AIR ZNAK]

In Soviet times, this machine was used as a sanitary machine in Narkhoz, for flying around pipelines, shooting wolves, and much more for what. With installation inside add. tank increased and flight range. Still serve.

[Mr.Fox]

There are not weak prospects for such modernization in all countries where they continue to actively use the Mi-2. Surely there are private traders. Not everyone wants to buy new equipment, it is often very expensive, especially when it comes to a state that has 10-12 helicopters for all air forces. Moreover, there are probably already ideas for whom to upgrade Mi-2 to and who to upgrade. It’s just business and money is now less and less allocated for groundless projects.

[MI-AS-72]

The news with a plus sign, finally created almost their own (Ukrainian) engine of this dimension, it is hoped that if it does go and put the MI-34 on the wing, Ansat and KA-226 will fly with “our” engines. The tail rotor from composites is also of our design and manufacture, on the dashboard appeared 2 small-sized MFIs, (multifunctional indicator) of our Russian design and manufacture. Everything else is negative, the main rotor hub, transmission units and much more are not manufactured and are not planned. There is an idea that maybe someone will be interested in “rich” companies and upgrade 10 other helicopters, but this is unlikely. On the MO line, it would be possible to collect 200 ... 400 pieces to put in DOSAAF and begin to pull the boys out of the streets and from under the fences. But this is a fantasy. As a training desk, the helicopter is beautiful, it forgives a lot, the skills gained on it allow us to master all modern Russian helicopters without much effort. So today the Mi-2M is a technological platform for testing the engine and some other products.

[Wolkin]

I don’t even know how to receive this news. I gave this device to 15 years of life and 2300 hours of acquaintance.
A tear struck! Nostalgia! The "smoking room" is still alive! Soon Mi-2 will be a "golden jubilee", somewhere in 2014-15, it will hit 50 years. How many of them do we still have? Svidnik produced about 5400 pieces. And how many of them were left after the dispersal of air units and the fragmentation of Aeroflot in our country? In 1992, the release was stopped, which means that the most "fresh" is 20 years old.
After Poland went on strike in the 80th year, resources began to slowly extend.
In those days, 2-3 overhauls and the apparatus was considered a dinosaur. And how many overhauls is the record now? Interestingly, Poland still had accessories, blade sleeves? Where do they buy it now? I read somewhere that in 2009-10 30 Mi-2s were restored.
But what is 30 for our vast country, we would have 3000 light helicopters and that "will be too young."
In fact, the helicopter was beautiful, its strength was simply phenomenal, but in the 80s it was no longer modern. Unfortunately, engines are his weak point. Not enough power and throttle response. I have no complaints regarding operation, for all the time there is only one failure. Consumption, however, 300 l \ h.
He needed new engines about 30 years ago. Therefore, my opinion: - we must move forward. But can we? Although what only in our country does not happen, here is an example-
http://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2012/08/07/238695.html