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At the flight testing station of OJSC Rostvertol, a demonstration flight of the prototype Mi-2M helicopter took place

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At the flight testing station of OJSC Rostvertol, a demonstration flight of the prototype Mi-2M helicopter took place

A demonstration flight of a prototype Mi-2M helicopter with new engines took place at the flight test station of Rostvertol, part of the holding company Helicopters of Russia, with reports of Our Time.

Piloted car honored test pilot Valery Kalashnikov of Russia. Along with him on board was also a leading flight test engineer Airat Khusnutdinov.

Note that the main direction of upgrading the Mi-2 to the Mi-2M version was to replace the obsolete GTD-350 engines with modern, more powerful and cost-effective AI-450M production of the Ukrainian company Motor Sich.

“We are pleased with the cooperation of our company with the Russian plant Rostvertol.” Thanks to joint actions and modernization, the Mi-2 helicopter received a “new heart” and a “second life”, said Igor Kravchenko, the general designer of the Ukrainian state-owned enterprise Ivchenko-Progress, who was watching the Mi-2М demonstration flight. I think all those who gathered on the airfield agreed with these words.

The helicopter, rising into the sky, demonstrated aerobatics, then, after making a few laps, to the applause of a strict commission, it gently sank to the ground.

General Director of Rostvertol OJSC Boris Slusar said: “Mi-2 is a classic of helicopter building. It is actively exploited both in Russia and abroad. "Rostvertol" plans to upgrade this type of helicopters simultaneously with the overhaul. So we have big plans for the Mi-2M. ”
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  1. spender
    spender 27 September 2012 11: 15
    +14
    Yes, "old men" are given a new life !!! Reliable, time-tested technology drinks
    1. VAF
      VAF 27 September 2012 11: 37
      +13
      Quote: spender
      Reliable, time-tested technology


      Well, finally it happened !!! 15 years .. a cat flew under the tail !!! +! fellow

      Watch everyone! Very clear ...! good

      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 27 September 2012 11: 51
        +4
        Quote: vaf
        Watch everyone! Very clear

        I've seen a lot of live, for every day the Air Force in the 70s must have made Mi-2 demonstration flights
        1. Antipetian 2
          Antipetian 2 27 September 2012 12: 00
          -2
          Ladies and gentlemen, I remind you that the MO is not at all interested in the Mi-2. Still, age is hinting. The prospects of such a project are a little unclear. Please explain who is in the subject. You can recall Eurocopters for the sun
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 27 September 2012 12: 12
            +2
            Civilian application for example.
            1. Antipetian 2
              Antipetian 2 27 September 2012 12: 18
              -6
              I can’t imagine that someone wants to buy this. The price is normal, but in itself it is outdated. How can this be preferred by Eurocopter or even Ansat or Ka-226?
              1. Wedmak
                Wedmak 27 September 2012 12: 38
                +4
                So I don’t know if new fuselages and avionics for it are being produced now. But imagine you already have such a baby. I think replacing the engines will come to you much cheaper than the same new Ansat. Yes, the flight resource is probably not exhausted yet - why throw out something that does its job well? Even if it was released 30-40 years ago.
                1. Antipetian 2
                  Antipetian 2 27 September 2012 13: 07
                  -4
                  This does not count! I mean, purely new cars. Absurdity after all! They would have raked Mi-1 from the bins of the motherland
                  1. Wedmak
                    Wedmak 27 September 2012 13: 18
                    0
                    And where is it written in the text that this is a completely new machine?
                    1. Antipetian 2
                      Antipetian 2 27 September 2012 13: 28
                      -3
                      Well then, what is the stated modernization?
                      1. Wedmak
                        Wedmak 27 September 2012 13: 39
                        +2
                        Well hello, come .... The fact that the engines have been replaced, is that what you think?
                  2. Vadivak
                    Vadivak 27 September 2012 15: 49
                    +2
                    Quote: Antipetyan 2
                    They would have raked Mi-1 from the bins of the motherland


                    This is unlikely to replace the Mi-2 and it was created
                  3. Konrad
                    Konrad 27 September 2012 21: 13
                    -1
                    Quote: Antipetyan 2
                    They would have raked Mi-1 from the bins of the motherland

                    And put a turboprop engine on it?
                2. Nick
                  Nick 27 September 2012 21: 52
                  0
                  Quote: Wedmak
                  Why throw out something that does its job well? Even if it was released 30-40 years ago.

                  That's right, "Kalash", for example, in its sixties in the service of the Fatherland, is being modernized slowly and continues to serve faithfully, because there is no worthy replacement yet ... New is not always the best ...
              2. Vadivak
                Vadivak 27 September 2012 15: 48
                +3
                Quote: Antipetyan 2
                I can’t imagine that someone wants to buy this.


                Not all bucks print, there are amber republics for example
              3. viruskvartirus
                viruskvartirus 27 September 2012 17: 03
                +3
                "An enterprise, Motor Sich Helicopters, has been created in Zaporozhye, which will carry out remotorization and modernization of Mi-8 helicopters. This is not only an engine replacement, as this is only the first stage. The second stage is a change in the helicopter control system, replacement of avionics with more perfect, that is, what makes the helicopter comfortable. And the Mi-8 hull itself, which we buy, is designed for centuries. It does not rust. We have the basis today - the Mi-8T, Mi-2 hull, and we saturate it ", - said Bozhkov. "The entire article is http://ubr.ua/market/industrial/vertikalnyi-vzlet-motor-sich-zaimetsia-vypuskom-
                vertoletov-xnumx
                The machine is very successful "but due to the successful layout of the helicopter, the perfection of the design, it was possible to create an effective economical machine with high performance characteristics, on which the Russian national team still wins the world championships in helicopter sports." and it is being modernized, which means evolution and improvement ...
          2. VAF
            VAF 27 September 2012 12: 33
            +5
            Quote: Antipetyan 2
            I remind you that the MO is not at all interested in the Mi-2


            If this is news for you, then I report that the majority of members of the forum are aware of what MO Taburetkin is "interested" in! negative
            1. Antipetian 2
              Antipetian 2 27 September 2012 12: 54
              -2
              With what? Tell me
              1. VAF
                VAF 27 September 2012 13: 11
                +3
                Quote: Antipetyan 2
                Tell me


                Once. Just recently, I tried to explain on the F-35 plane ..... enough for the rest of my life lol So sorry ... but ... I'm pass hi

                Quote: Antipetyan 2
                With what?


                The main type of training is .... self-training, so look and ...... and then .. Your decision hi

                1. Antipetian 2
                  Antipetian 2 27 September 2012 13: 15
                  +2
                  What a stool the army brought!
                  1. Antipetian 2
                    Antipetian 2 27 September 2012 13: 33
                    -2
                    What a damned furniture maker! The air force does not give any new equipment, the bastard! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B49TeChIDU
                    1. VAF
                      VAF 27 September 2012 13: 52
                      +2
                      Quote: Antipetyan 2
                      What a damned furniture maker! The air force does not give any new equipment, the bastard! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B49TeChIDU


          3. edge
            edge 27 September 2012 12: 40
            +1
            the machine was developed as a liaison officer of a division-army link
          4. AIvanA
            AIvanA 28 September 2012 07: 24
            +1
            I explain, I flew these cars at one time and I can honestly say that this is not a very bad helicopter of its class, but the engine and some other components were its weak point, and then it was connected with the Polish assembly, the car got more powerful and reliable the engine, and the ansat that interested the stool, it is much more expensive and there are a lot of questions to reliability, and the Mi-2 tested machine worked with a margin forgiving many mistakes of young pilots.
      2. Wedmak
        Wedmak 27 September 2012 12: 02
        0
        Ofiget of course .... waking up a passenger in the cabin, not one or two bricks would have produced .... smile
      3. Alexey Prikazchikov
        Alexey Prikazchikov 27 September 2012 13: 53
        -2
        VAF and tries it is ANSAT or what mi2 is more familiar chtol?
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 27 September 2012 12: 35
      +3
      good news gives way to bad !!

      After the incident with the commander of the Swifts aerobatic team, two pilots left the reserve team.

      One of the pilots decided to quit after the soldiers were removed from the military unit in Kubinka, where the Swifts are based. Now the pilots have to carry the guard themselves and perform the functions of ordinary soldiers.

      “This was the reason for the dismissal of one officer, another decided to quit because of the situation with the Swifts commander, because“ he sees no reason to continue the service, ”a source close to the aerobatic team told RIA Novosti.
      http://news.rambler.ru/15682016/
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 27 September 2012 12: 47
        +2
        What nonsense is this? How can a combat pilot carry a guard ???? And with the second it’s not at all clear ... what does it mean that it does not make sense? Again stuffing misinformation?
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 27 September 2012 12: 58
          +3
          Quote: Wedmak
          How can a combat pilot carry a guard?

          shocked himself, read and shark !!
          1. spender
            spender 27 September 2012 13: 01
            +6
            Quote: Yarbay
            shocked himself, read and shark !!

            I support, I myself have read this news in "Vzglyad" today, but why be surprised, the airfield is "strangled" to remove the MO from there and give it to someone who has paid money for a long time ... The land there is "golden" winked
          2. d.gksueyjd
            d.gksueyjd 27 September 2012 16: 19
            +1
            How can a combat pilot carry a guard?
            The pilots are on guard: in body armor, armed with personal weapons and machine guns.
        2. VAF
          VAF 27 September 2012 13: 23
          +4
          Quote: Wedmak
          What nonsense is this?


          An army only on ... pictures on the Internet saw?


          Quote: Wedmak
          How can a combat pilot carry a guard ????


          Silently! Duty guards in the garrison, guard commander in the unit, etc., etc.! soldier

          Quote: Wedmak
          What does it make no sense?


          And what do you personally see the point in? Taburetkin still does not leave a dream to remove the Knights and Swifts from the Cuban! What will mean the unambiguous elimination of these groups!

          Two more of the Swifts are sent to help in creating a new aerobatic team on Yak-130 airplanes ... in principle, nothing terrible, it seems, but .... what for a new one if there is a ready-made, fly-by and experienced Vyazmenskaya "Rus" flying on half-dead L -39's ???
          Change the planes and that's it ... but no, Taburetkin goes "his own", one like as he knows .. "way"! bully

          1. Antipetian 2
            Antipetian 2 27 September 2012 13: 38
            -1
            Damned Serdyuk did everything!
          2. Wedmak
            Wedmak 27 September 2012 13: 53
            0
            Yeah ... in the pictures, where else can I see her ....
            Now the pilots have to carry the guard themselves and perform the functions of ordinary soldiers.

            This is what I had in mind, and not the duty of guards and the rest that you indicated.
        3. d.gksueyjd
          d.gksueyjd 27 September 2012 16: 11
          +2
          Quote: Wedmak
          How can a combat pilot carry a guard?

          from 1991 to 2000, officers were guarding the Air Force military unit, Art. officers and ensign. It is practiced now. Conscripts: either absent or busy households. work, or assigned to cottages. After a massive reduction in count. outfits 2-3 per week. The entire personnel of the flight regiment in service, and some 30.12-08.01 times, fall into orders from 2 to 3. For each written word I bear responsibility and can prove
          1. VAF
            VAF 27 September 2012 21: 23
            0
            Quote: d.gksueyjd
            For each written word I bear responsibility and can prove


            Only, +! soldier

            But the only exceptions were the period of hostilities, where this "obligation" was removed from the flight crew.

            And for the new year, in principle, right down to the comasoc! Well, according to the standard, it didn’t even come to that ... starting from komesok and higher, they naturally didn’t go to combined-arms outfits, but they were scooped up .. with standard projectiles, on duty at the command post and responsible!

            Everything else is TRUTH word for word! ++ !! soldier drinks
      2. valokordin
        valokordin 27 September 2012 13: 50
        0
        The whole story with the Swifts, smells like the destruction of the aerobatic team
  2. klimpopov
    klimpopov 27 September 2012 11: 15
    +10
    Lord, he still flies ... Well, if they upgraded and the engines were changed, then only on the road, but I honestly thought they were already at peace ...
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 27 September 2012 11: 43
      +7
      Quote: klimpopov
      but I honestly thought they were already completely at rest ...


      They did the first flight in 62, and before 1992, the Poles even made a fire support helicopter based on it, put the NS-23KM gun, and two NURSAs of the type UB-16-57 PK machine guns, we didn’t have this, in the USSR it was considered pampering combat turrets enough, but 8 people and about a ton of cargo it yes, dragged
      1. edge
        edge 27 September 2012 12: 46
        +3
        the machine is very good, deliver by mail, bp toss, reconnaissance reconnaissance, conduct reconnaissance: auxiliary functions must also be performed
      2. nik6006
        nik6006 27 September 2012 16: 53
        -1
        Here is a wonderful machine for special forces will be. Yes, and with Nurses!
  3. Drappier
    Drappier 27 September 2012 11: 20
    +4
    The old horse will not spoil the furrow, good flight hi
    1. andrey.joshua
      andrey.joshua 27 September 2012 12: 55
      +3
      The old horse won't ruin the furrow

      Actually, it sounds like this: "The old horse does not spoil the furrow, but it does not plow deeply either." And this is true reality! Mi - 2 is not just a good car, a robotic ... but also a desk for novice pilots! And its modernization ..... it's certainly great! Understand correctly, the Apple tree has outlived its time, time for new seedlings! I just want to say that, as it were, the absence of air and other production capacities did not lead us: to a completely absurd modernization ... such as: Remove T-34, IS-2, MIG-21, and MIG from pedistals -15, but what will some say, the motor resource is large, a couple of computers, new shells and in front !!! ??? recourse
      1. Antipetian 2
        Antipetian 2 27 September 2012 13: 04
        -1
        But not in the 21st century! With such Euros, Ka-226 and Ansatami!
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 27 September 2012 15: 51
          +7
          Quote: Antipetyan 2
          But not in the 21st century! so!


          You tell AvtoVAZ, and Mi-2 thing
          1. Antipetian 2
            Antipetian 2 27 September 2012 15: 52
            0
            And what does AvtoVAZ have to do with it?
      2. Wedmak
        Wedmak 27 September 2012 13: 05
        +1
        Well, not so bad ... This helicopter is still working. And on the pedestal it is too early for him anyway.
  4. volcano
    volcano 27 September 2012 11: 21
    +1
    E mine ...... modernization is class ...
    But maybe we’ll create something new ....... you can’t always modernize forever ...
    Where's the new ..... We don’t see helicopter razoditie ....
    And this, given our open spaces ..... I’m in a civilian, except MI-8 and this MI-2, I don’t remember something ... there are certainly special ones, but I'm talking about mass application.
    1. FID
      FID 27 September 2012 11: 31
      +10
      I can please you. Someone Poghosyan MA, together with Italian Augusta, is going to design and build a new helicopter. Does this remind you of anything? And the Mi-2 is a reliable and good car. One hundred years of her life!
      1. Tjumenec72
        Tjumenec72 27 September 2012 11: 47
        0
        The output will be another Ka-60
      2. Vadivak
        Vadivak 27 September 2012 11: 57
        +5
        Quote: SSI
        Someone Poghosyan M.A.


        June 1, 2012, from the company's net profit for 2011 in the amount of 788 045 669 rub. send to the Development Fund - 275 001 671,17 rubles,.; dividend payment - 513 043 997,83 rub. Feel the difference between the Development Fund and the payment of dividends Kommersant .... its ...
      3. volcano
        volcano 27 September 2012 12: 15
        +3
        Yes, I’m not sure how I was delighted ..... why together? Yes Poghosyan like that lately ... ahem ..... annoying ..
        And in general, Italians have already got it ....
        Sometimes it seems that Russia-Italy is such a joint venture between Putin and Berlusconi.
        1. FID
          FID 27 September 2012 13: 08
          +4
          Quote: volkan
          Sometimes it seems that Russia-Italy is such a joint venture between Putin and Berluscon

          It looks very, very. Either the Lynx, the new president’s helicopter (there is evidence that it’s Italian), then the purchase of the Ministry of Defense is not our helicopters, then Poghosyan’s projects ... Very similar!
          1. Antipetian 2
            Antipetian 2 27 September 2012 13: 16
            0
            Yeah, but you forgot the Centaur and Frechchia!
            1. FID
              FID 27 September 2012 14: 27
              +2

              Yeah, but you forgot the Centaur and Frechchia!


              I’m not afraid to be a dunno - I haven’t heard such names.
              1. Antipetian 2
                Antipetian 2 27 September 2012 14: 34
                0
                Hear soon! They are kind of like being tested!
                1. FID
                  FID 27 September 2012 14: 51
                  +5
                  This will be another confirmation of the joint venture, just!
      4. VAF
        VAF 27 September 2012 12: 34
        +3
        Quote: SSI
        Someone Poghosyan MA, together with Italian Augusta, is going to design and build a new helicopter.


        Seryoga, and you know, at least me, did not surprise me at all !!! + wink
    2. Tjumenec72
      Tjumenec72 27 September 2012 11: 39
      +5
      There is its analogue - Ansat, they are buying it

      And the Mi-2 is operated in many places, it is quite possible to earn money on its modernization.
      1. VAF
        VAF 27 September 2012 12: 35
        +5
        Quote: Tjumenec72
        There is its analogue - Ansat, they are buying it


        Well, well, well ... who buys ???? lol
        1. FID
          FID 27 September 2012 12: 44
          +6
          Instead of Tjumenec72, I will try to answer: no one. MO wanted to buy, but ...
          1. VAF
            VAF 27 September 2012 13: 30
            +8
            Quote: SSI
            I will try to answer: no one. MO wanted to buy, but.


            Seryoga, do not prompt! +!
            And then they are from themselves experts ofigetnyh of the Internet think. so let them be kind enough to answer ... for ... what was said! bully
            And then these .... arranged to see a beautiful picture in the magazine or in the internet there are 4 Ansats and that's it .. the plane has fallen, the blender has closed and rushed ... we will tear all of us now ... and the fact that the Kazan residents themselves completely redo the ESD , which in its current state is not suitable for flight, and are returning to Ansat to the good old scheme to them .. these .. dumb ...... on the drum!
            The main thing is to bark in time .. good news and fame pu, and there .... they’re on the drum!
            1. spender
              spender 27 September 2012 13: 33
              +6
              Quote: vaf
              The main thing is to bark in time .. good news and fame pu, and there .... they’re on the drum!

              Seryoga, there is already a new method !!! Whoever speaks the truth and returns from heaven to earth, all are completely spies, the fifth column and white-ribbon men !!! Previously, only you and I were spies, apparently we were "tested" with technology wassat
              1. FID
                FID 27 September 2012 13: 40
                +5
                Quote: spender
                Before, only you and I were spies,

                And they paid money for scribbles. The crisis is where it started!
                1. spender
                  spender 27 September 2012 13: 43
                  +4
                  Quote: SSI
                  And they paid money for scribbles.

                  Yes, there was no money, only bans, resetting the rating, transferring to "Visitors2" and other whips ... winked
                  1. FID
                    FID 27 September 2012 13: 57
                    +6
                    Yes, there was no money, only bans,




                    About the money for the scribble, in my opinion it was yesterday, and maybe today. Someone tried to accuse you of espionage ...
                    1. spender
                      spender 27 September 2012 14: 12
                      +2
                      Quote: SSI
                      About the money for the scribble, in my opinion it was yesterday, and maybe today. Someone tried to accuse you of espionage ...

                      I’m used to it ... I don’t know how I served my pension ... Russia does not pay the State Department laughing In general, it's funny to see how people are deaf to the truth, but they are greedy for "oil" and slogans .. winked
                      1. sergey32
                        sergey32 27 September 2012 15: 32
                        +2
                        Spender, no offense. The other day I was in a small homeland, I saw a childhood friend. He lives in a village plowing land. His brother served in the police, recently retired. A friend says: after harvesting or plowing, when I can barely crawl home (not from vodka, he doesn’t drink), I always think why the policeman has a pension in 45, but a tractor driver in 60.
                      2. Konrad
                        Konrad 27 September 2012 21: 24
                        0
                        Quote: spender
                        In general, it's funny to see how people are deaf to the truth, but they are greedy for "oil" and slogans ..

                        It seems (unfortunately) most of them are here.
                    2. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 27 September 2012 14: 19
                      +4
                      Quote: SSI

                      About the money for the scribble, in my opinion it was yesterday, and maybe today. Someone tried to accuse you of espionage

                      Sergey, they accused me of the fact that I personally receive money from Obama’s hands, they say they saw how it was laughing
                  2. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 27 September 2012 14: 17
                    +1
                    Quote: spender
                    Yes, there was no money, only bans, resetting the rating, transfer to "Visitors2" and other whips

                    And the transfer of all comments and personal files to the competent authorities. Winnie promised me that for my comments the FSB will deal with me belay I’m sitting on a assembled bag, men, ready for the stage, if I see the loss of the Sita, I’ll look for it in Lubyanka bully
                    1. FID
                      FID 27 September 2012 14: 24
                      +5
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      I'm sitting on the assembled bag men ready for the stage

                      And will they get to Vladik? Moscow are afraid to go there!
                    2. Denzel13
                      Denzel13 27 September 2012 17: 06
                      +2
                      Sasha, is he collecting files on you? laughing That damn people have free time
                2. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 27 September 2012 14: 15
                  +5
                  Quote: SSI
                  And they paid money for scribbles.

                  Sergey, and not only pay, but in the State Department itself I was invited yesterday by one on the site to take their share laughing
                  1. FID
                    FID 27 September 2012 14: 22
                    +6
                    Guys, you both appeared there! Both pluses for the State Department!
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 27 September 2012 14: 29
                      +3
                      Quote: SSI
                      Guys, you both appeared there! Both pluses for the State Department!

                      Thank you Sergey, good news, so we’ll sit together with a spender. Food from the restaurant, the best lawyers, commercial camera good You can sit with a spender laughing
            2. Antipetian 2
              Antipetian 2 27 September 2012 13: 36
              -1
              Damned Serdyuk even reached the Air Force! How does the land carry with its "reforms"?
              [img] http: // http: //www.google.com/imgres? q = mi-26 in a new color & hl = ru & newwindow = 1 & biw = 1281 & bih = 963 & tbm = isch & tbnid = mfGZ0d7HOUfmoM:
              & imgrefurl = http: //sdelanounas.ru/blogs/8805/&docid=l-qpMceOKe_RuM&imgurl=http: //
              sdelanounas.ru/images/img/www.rostvertolplc.ru/netcat_files_userfiles_2_News_281
              011-1.JPG&w=512&h=341&ei=-B5kUOGWAY2HswatqYCABQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=175&vpy=309&d
              ur=264&hovh=183&hovw=275&tx=86&ty=120&sig=113143991447428284232&page=1&tbnh=141&
              tbnw=188&start=0&ndsp=25&ved=1t:429,r:5,s:0,i:87[/img]

            3. FID
              FID 27 September 2012 13: 40
              +6
              Quote: vaf
              themselves completely redo the ESDU

              Helicopter EDSU - it's .. only boiled eggs are cooler. I don’t deal with helicopters, but you posted the news to me!
            4. Wedmak
              Wedmak 27 September 2012 14: 00
              +2
              Vaf, with all due respect to you as a pilot - in vain you are so tuned. The fact that you know more than others that is happening in aviation does not give you the right to think of yourself as a cool uncle and to poke everyone else that they are noobs full .... Let the people be glad that at least something is starting to appear and be updated.
              No one thinks that now we’ll be divisions, we will roll out planes, helicopters and more from the factory.
              Let's show respect, huh? And the word "uryakalki" given out in your posts is already becoming offensive.
              1. spender
                spender 27 September 2012 14: 09
                +2
                Quote: Wedmak
                with all due respect to you as a pilot - you shouldn’t be so tuned in vain.

                Positive, sure, erudite hi
                Quote: Wedmak
                The fact that you know more than others what is happening in aviation does not give you the right to think of yourself as a cool uncle and to poke everyone else that they are full noobs ...

                I have never seen it. First he explains, accessible and persistent after that, if he sees that the person is "blinkered" sometimes gives a shock, but politely and correctly hi
                Quote: Wedmak
                Let the people rejoice that at least something is starting to appear and be updated.

                If it depended on him ... But look at inflation, the growth of housing and communal services and debt forgiveness ... However, the VAF posted a photo of a "nest" with the runway and infrastructure, you can find and be glad that at least someone is doing well ... wink
                Quote: Wedmak
                No one thinks that now we’ll be divisions, we will roll out planes, helicopters and more from the factory. Let's show respect, huh?

                We have already gone through this ... and "on foreign territory with small victims" "" and "we will defeat, we will destroy the enemy", maybe enough to step on a rake? recourse
                Quote: Wedmak
                And the word "uryakalki" given out in your posts is already becoming offensive.

                HOORAY!!! it is our pride and it is not in vain in the army that they congratulate URA with congratulations! HOORAY! HOORAY! (Who received the titles and positions, celebrated birthdays in army collectives), but the fool is something ... negative
                1. Wedmak
                  Wedmak 27 September 2012 14: 12
                  0
                  I actually didn’t write to you.
                  1. spender
                    spender 27 September 2012 14: 15
                    +3
                    Quote: Wedmak
                    I actually didn’t write to you.

                    When they "hurt" my friend, I take it as personal ... But to justify oneself is stupid, it was not for nothing that lawyers were introduced in the courts hi From the side it is more visible
                    1. Wedmak
                      Wedmak 27 September 2012 14: 26
                      +6
                      Well, let’s answer you, since it hurts you too. What a friend (or mister) Vaf writes:
                      And then they are from themselves experts ofigetnyh of the Internet think. so let them be kind enough to answer ... for ... what was said! bully

                      Indeed, you need to answer. Only one size fits all "they think of themselves as experts awesome Internet" do not need to be equated. Everyone speaks to the best of their competence, for this, comments are needed.
                      And then these .... arranged to see a beautiful picture in the magazine or on the Internet of their 4's Ansatov and that's it .. the plane fell, the blenkers closed and rushed ... we’ll tear everyone up now ... and the fact that Kazan’s themselves completely redo the ESD , which in its current state is not flight-suitable and return to Ansat to the good old scheme by them

                      How many clever words. Yes, they saw, but they rejoiced! And here some
                      plank, blenker and more? Let me screw some sentences from
                      network and server administration - let's see what do you understand?
                      ..that ..fuck away ...... on the drum!
                      The main thing is to bark in time .. good news and fame pu, and there .... they’re on the drum!

                      to this ... foolishness ... Doesn’t it seem to you that this is a dismissive attitude to all the participants in the discussion?
                      1. spender
                        spender 27 September 2012 14: 32
                        -2
                        Quote: Wedmak
                        Well, let’s answer you, since it hurts you too. What does a comrade (or lord) write

                        I don’t have to answer, otherwise it turns into a discussion, the rest is not interesting ... hi You unsubscribed, I answered what I thought was necessary ..
                        Quote: Wedmak
                        Let me screw some suggestions from the administration of networks and servers too - let's see what do you understand?

                        We are on the military site, not on the site of the sysadmins, there and "sparkle with edges" ... And here listen to smart and experienced military drinks
                        Quote: Wedmak
                        to this ... foolishness ... Doesn’t it seem to you that this is a dismissive attitude to all the participants in the discussion?

                        Not all participants discuss foolishness, so do not dramatize and globalize the situation. hi
                        Then I take my leave hi
                      2. Wedmak
                        Wedmak 27 September 2012 14: 46
                        +6
                        You answered my post without asking if I want this or not. So I do not need to indicate whether to answer yours or not.
                        I will listen to smart and experienced military personnel if they behave normally. Instead of nodding from the height of your "flight" to
                        "these ...." (c) Vaf

                        Could simply explain that Ansat is not bought and why, and not give out a tirade, they say they don’t understand, but I know that someone is redoing something there ...
                        And where does the military site? There are many non-military people here, they may well be interested in why "Kazan residents themselves are completely remaking the ESDU", but this was said in such a tone that interest has already disappeared ...

                        In general, I think Vaf’s post was offensive. No drama or globalization. It's my opinion.
                      3. FID
                        FID 27 September 2012 14: 37
                        +5
                        Quote: Wedmak
                        And here some
                        plank, blenker and more?

                        I'm sorry, but he wrote it to me. I understand what a blender is and what kind of slats it talks about. Why take offense at what is not told to you. If you want to know, I’m happy to tell you about it.
                      4. Wedmak
                        Wedmak 27 September 2012 14: 49
                        +3
                        I was not offended. I was outraged by the way Vaf spoke about the others ... "these ...". This is permissible in personal correspondence, but not on, as it was said here, "the site is general".
                      5. FID
                        FID 27 September 2012 15: 03
                        +8
                        Quote: Wedmak

                        I was not offended. I was outraged by the way Vaf spoke about the others ... "these ...". This is permissible in personal correspondence, but not on, as it was said here, "the site is general".

                        You see, we have been in aviation for a long time and the constant attacks well ... are a little annoying. It turns out, and I often go on business trips to aircraft factories, that everyone around me knows more. Now in one place the planes are mass-produced, then in another. I don’t see that. I will reveal a terrible secret: planes cannot fly without our "products". And in the last YEARS a few aircraft sets of our equipment have been ordered. When you try to convey this information, then ... you yourself can see what happens. Almost an enemy of the people. I'm still holding back, but Sergey is more emotional. That's it. Do not be offended, the right word!
                      6. Wedmak
                        Wedmak 27 September 2012 15: 13
                        +5
                        I'm not offended. Their "wards" taught me. But, you see, information can be conveyed in different ways.
                        three cases:
                        or you just send a person to .... (to choose from) and he will be offended and leave thinking ... (a lot of things),
                        or you make fun of this person, he will also be offended and will no longer be interested in this topic,
                        or you calmly explain to a person what he is wrong about and why so, and not otherwise (of course, no need to give out secrets) and this person will be even more interested and maybe something will do useful.
                        So what's better? Is it hard to throw a couple of links? Not. Who wants to, will read, who does not want, you can not answer.

                        I saw here, of course, stubborn ones, it is very difficult for them to argue, but it is somehow inappropriate to call everyone "these ..", "uryakalki" and "they don't care ..."
                      7. spender
                        spender 27 September 2012 15: 17
                        +3
                        Quote: Wedmak
                        But, you must admit, information can be conveyed in different ways.

                        Again, everything is slipping into the flow of information ...
                        This is not a pedagogical site ... Look for Google's information yourself to help you, you can get search directions, but no one will "chew" here ... People come here to communicate, and not to "tutor" hi
                      8. Wedmak
                        Wedmak 27 September 2012 15: 23
                        +3
                        And here is pedagogy, I don’t understand at all ...
                        The point is how Vaf presented the information. He turned to
                        SSI, while expressing a dismissive attitude towards everyone else. Something like, here we are smart here, the rest of the fools - they’re only fooling. What I noticed.
                        What kind of communication can there be if someone puts himself above all others?
                      9. spender
                        spender 27 September 2012 15: 31
                        -1
                        Quote: Wedmak
                        The point is how Vaf presented the information. He turned to the SSI, while expressing a dismissive attitude towards everyone else. Something like, here we are smart here, the rest of the fools - they’re only fooling. What I noticed.

                        Well, these are pearls ... You should talk with Pupyrchaty, you stand each other ... The same obstinacy and a sea of ​​posts about nothing ...
                        What are you fantasizing about insults and insults, this is your business, but you were not authorized to speak on behalf of the members of the forum, so "broadcast" on your own behalf and no more. wink
                        Quote: Wedmak
                        What kind of communication can there be if someone puts himself above all others?

                        Consider yourself lower, here one even called himself "lowered" and nothing, but I admit, for example, that the VAF and the SSI know more than me in aviation, a steam locomotive in naval themes, Sparrow, Nechai and Kars in armored vehicles, but not offended by this I think, but I am simply grateful to them for the knowledge that I receive from them hi
                        I’m tying it up, otherwise I’m afraid I will fall off ... laughing
                      10. Wedmak
                        Wedmak 27 September 2012 15: 38
                        +1
                        So you turned over half of my words .... Well, all right, we will not continue this meaningless conversation.
                      11. FID
                        FID 27 September 2012 15: 18
                        +5
                        Denis! If you try not to include ALL statements, it will be easier! And on the Internet, believe me, there are not always links to the pilot's cabin!
                      12. Wedmak
                        Wedmak 27 September 2012 15: 26
                        +1
                        But I didn’t. Just the eye hurts this attitude.
                        So I wrote ...
                        ..of course, do not give out secrets ...

                        You never know what a potential enemy will see ... smile
                      13. FID
                        FID 27 September 2012 15: 29
                        +2
                        + You are for understanding, and people should be treated softer, look at things more broadly ...
                  2. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 27 September 2012 14: 21
                    +4
                    Quote: Wedmak
                    I actually didn’t write to you.

                    It is common and it is not just the duty of the patriot of his country to support a comrade, but also a civic duty. All Chinar Chinarem wink
                    1. Wedmak
                      Wedmak 27 September 2012 14: 28
                      +2
                      Even if he is wrong in how he addresses the rest of the forum participants?
                      1. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 27 September 2012 14: 38
                        0
                        Quote: Wedmak

                        Even if he is wrong in how he addresses the rest of the forum participants?

                        Even if he is wrong, I will be on his side. So far it has not been that Sergei was wrong! But many were rude to him and not on business, and some continue to do so.
                      2. Wedmak
                        Wedmak 27 September 2012 14: 53
                        +2
                        I have no complaints about Vaf as a specialist! I have indicated unacceptable expressions in normal society. For me, the phrase (I quote again!)
                        .This .. Uryakalkam ...... on the drum!
                        The main thing is to bark in time .. good news and fame pu, and there .... they’re on the drum!

                        evokes only negative emotions and completely discourages listening to smart and experienced military in the person of Vaf.
                      3. Antipetian 2
                        Antipetian 2 27 September 2012 14: 58
                        -4
                        I have no complaints about Vaf as a specialist!
                      4. Wedmak
                        Wedmak 27 September 2012 15: 00
                        0
                        Like a joke?
                      5. Antipetian 2
                        Antipetian 2 27 September 2012 15: 06
                        -2
                        No it's you joking
                      6. Wedmak
                        Wedmak 27 September 2012 15: 14
                        0
                        Mm ... and what, pilots are not experts?
                      7. Antipetian 2
                        Antipetian 2 27 September 2012 15: 19
                        0
                        No. I already understood ".... what .... he is ... ... A specialist ....."
                      8. Wedmak
                        Wedmak 27 September 2012 15: 27
                        0
                        So comment on it! What have I got to do with it?
                      9. Antipetian 2
                        Antipetian 2 27 September 2012 15: 33
                        -2
                        I didn’t say anything about you
                      10. spender
                        spender 27 September 2012 14: 53
                        -2
                        Quote: Wedmak
                        Even if he is wrong in how he addresses the rest of the forum participants?

                        I will not offend and insult anyone ... Just a quote from Vysotsky
                        Paranoid in the foam
                        Как the witcher on the Sabbath:
                        "Untie the towels,
                        Inovers, savages!
                        We have a bermutorn in the heart
                        And Bermuta's soul! "
                      11. Wedmak
                        Wedmak 27 September 2012 14: 59
                        +2
                        Well, why this quote? Those. blurted Vaf, and I fight in the foam I? Or how? Or did you just call me paranoid?
                        And if it's simple, why is the word "witcher" highlighted there?
                        But well, I will "get into the bottle" - your comment is very stupid and looks like a provocation ...
              2. Vadivak
                Vadivak 27 September 2012 15: 57
                +3
                Quote: Wedmak
                The fact that you know more than others what is happening in aviation does not give you the right to think of yourself as a tough uncle


                Wow, it’s completely insolent, only in 2012 the Federal authorities propose replacing about 100 domestic small aircraft with foreign counterparts. 1,9 billion rubles are provided for the budget to upgrade the small aviation fleet. for three years.

                How can I not recall the phrase of I.V. Stalin "We did not have an aviation industry, now it is" ..... and think
                1. Wedmak
                  Wedmak 27 September 2012 16: 02
                  +1
                  Well, the fact that some of our "rulers" practically directly defend the interests of foreign manufacturers is no secret to anyone. But what does Vaf have to do with it?
                  1. Antipetian 2
                    Antipetian 2 27 September 2012 16: 12
                    +1
                    Want to talk about Iveco? Do you know that it has no analogues? The tiger is just preparing for testing. Or tell me a story that "Iveco - they didn't blow up"?
                    1. Wedmak
                      Wedmak 27 September 2012 16: 23
                      +2
                      Eka you taxied ... Iveco then what side? It was about aviation.
                      There is an analogue just the same. Tiger. At the time of the Iveco test, the Tigers were indeed weaker in armor. And now there are several options. Including with enhanced bulletproof and mine protection.
                      1. Antipetian 2
                        Antipetian 2 27 September 2012 16: 40
                        0
                        The only version of the Tiger for the third Stanag will be tested only now (when I won't say specifically, I don't remember), that is, at the time of the adoption of Iveco, there were no Tigers. They were not "weaker", but simply shamefully did not fit, because the Tiger Jeep, and Iveco - a full-fledged MRAP with a capsule and ceramics
                      2. Wedmak
                        Wedmak 27 September 2012 18: 02
                        +1
                        Well, well ... In general, this debate has broken more than a dozen rakes. Maybe we will not break the next? My personal opinion is that the Tiger is more universal. Add. armor can be hung, strengthen the bottom, and more ... Like any weapon of Russian production - it can be finished as you like. Until the installation of anti-tank systems on it or something cooler. And your Iveco, not only is he going to three countries, but also not really finish the needs of our army.
                  2. Vadivak
                    Vadivak 27 September 2012 16: 12
                    +3
                    Quote: Wedmak
                    But then Vaf

                    You see Denis, I think he is both hurt and offended (as, incidentally, to many of those present), but he expresses it to put it mildly harshly, I personally didn’t understand him at first either (he “built me”) and then nothing, omitting some of Sergey’s statements, you learn a lot , and what photos does he upload? Well agree
                    1. Wedmak
                      Wedmak 27 September 2012 16: 17
                      +1
                      I agree. The photos are very interesting, and writes a lot of interesting things.
                    2. Antipetian 2
                      Antipetian 2 27 September 2012 16: 40
                      -3
                      Does he take pictures?
                2. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 28 September 2012 04: 53
                  +2
                  Quote: Vadivak
                  The budget provides for 1,9 billion rubles to upgrade the small aviation fleet. for three years.

                  Vadim, how much does the State Duma and its 450 deputies cost per year? winked
                  1. Vadivak
                    Vadivak 28 September 2012 08: 44
                    +3
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Vadim, how much does the State Duma and its 450 deputies cost per year?


                    In 2008, 5 billion 4 million rubles were allocated from the state budget for the maintenance of the State Duma of Russia., And time is running out .... prices are rising, deputies want to eat
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 28 September 2012 08: 46
                      +1
                      Quote: Vadivak

                      In 2008, 5 billion 4 million rubles were allocated from the state budget for the maintenance of the State Duma of Russia.

                      And again for comparison
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      The budget provides for 1,9 billion rubles to upgrade the small aviation fleet. for three years

                      What's what, everyone will understand for himself hi
        2. Tjumenec72
          Tjumenec72 27 September 2012 17: 58
          +2
          VAF they were well convinced (I didn’t put it right) - they have intentions to acquire (in any case, they spoke about this). You just do not ask for invoices from me)
          I receive this information, like most of the network, when I did not appoint or designate myself as an expert.

          PS: and about your style of communication - this is rudeness, and not what your merits do not give you the right to behave like that.
          Unsubscribed on this topic WedmakI will not repeat.
      2. Konrad
        Konrad 27 September 2012 21: 21
        0
        Quote: Tjumenec72
        And the Mi-2 is operated in many places.

        For lack of a maid, e ... janitor!
  5. Liasenski
    Liasenski 27 September 2012 11: 42
    +1
    Helicopter Dipper, simple, reliable and small.
  6. King
    King 27 September 2012 11: 50
    +3
    Mi-2m is definitely needed for both rescuers and the military. Well, there will be a demand for it in civilian airlines.
  7. Kolyan 2
    Kolyan 2 27 September 2012 11: 55
    +3
    VAF,

    A pilot finally young man, looked with pleasure +
  8. Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 27 September 2012 12: 25
    +1
    everything is new, well-forgotten old, of course this expression does not quite fit, but there is something in it, it pleases that there are engines in aviation
  9. Senzey
    Senzey 27 September 2012 12: 39
    0
    Demand for small, light helicopters will always be. Mi-2 is reliable and tested, with new engines its efficiency and maneuverability improve. It can be used in many areas, sports, training, intelligence, postal. And we will help Ukrainian partners at the same time.
  10. Leisure
    Leisure 27 September 2012 12: 41
    0
    If possible, let them upgrade, but not to the detriment of new developments, unless of course there are such.
  11. bubla5
    bubla5 27 September 2012 12: 45
    -4
    Yes, it is out of date a long time ago, a carbon copy in a carbon paper, in a Lada sun engine Merca, it will still remain
  12. GP
    GP 27 September 2012 12: 45
    +4
    This is what the Helicopter Publishing House writes
    "Status. At present, Russia operates over a thousand Mi-2. At least 300 helicopters are used in other CIS countries. Dozens of machines are in the air fleets of non-CIS countries. The analysis of the state of the Mi-2 helicopter fleet shows that most of the machines have worked today, only about half of the resource and service life.Only in our country, more than three hundred machines can still serve for 10-15 years with an operating time of 5000 - 7000 flight hours. -400 will be able to serve for another 2-18 years, and their average operating time will be 25-10000 flight hours. "
    Report about Mi-2A http://www.vertolet-media.ru/helicopters/mvz/mi-2a/
  13. tambu
    tambu 27 September 2012 15: 06
    +1
    A good dviglo ... small ... quite reliable ... I tested it at one time ... almost 52000 rpm in the "Fly" mode, this is not for you to drive soap in a basin)) ...
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 27 September 2012 16: 01
      +2
      Quote: tambu
      it’s you not to drive soap in the basin


      Liked +
  14. BARKAS
    BARKAS 27 September 2012 15: 39
    0
    Of the helicopters for agricultural aviation, there is practically no alternative to MI-2 today, apart from the different exotic, the farmers will be happy and the athletes too.
  15. Nechai
    Nechai 27 September 2012 17: 25
    +1
    Quote: Kolyan 2
    A pilot finally young man, looked with pleasure +

    Not every person can be a pilot of a helicopter AT ALL. You count how MUCH SIMULTANEOUS it is necessary for him to carry out actions and to monitor parameters and situation. One of the most difficult professions.
  16. AIR ZNAK
    AIR ZNAK 27 September 2012 19: 16
    0
    In Soviet times, this machine was used as a sanitary machine in Narkhoz, for flying around pipelines, shooting wolves, and much more for what. With installation inside add. tank increased and flight range. Still serve.
  17. Mr.Fox
    Mr.Fox 27 September 2012 19: 56
    0
    There are not weak prospects for such modernization in all countries where they continue to actively use the Mi-2. Surely there are private traders. Not everyone wants to buy new equipment, it is often very expensive, especially when it comes to a state that has 10-12 helicopters for all air forces. Moreover, there are probably already ideas for whom to upgrade Mi-2 to and who to upgrade. It’s just business and money is now less and less allocated for groundless projects.
  18. MI-AS-72
    MI-AS-72 27 September 2012 20: 04
    +4
    The news with a plus sign, finally created almost their own (Ukrainian) engine of this dimension, it is hoped that if it does go and put the MI-34 on the wing, Ansat and KA-226 will fly with “our” engines. The tail rotor from composites is also of our design and manufacture, on the dashboard appeared 2 small-sized MFIs, (multifunctional indicator) of our Russian design and manufacture. Everything else is negative, the main rotor hub, transmission units and much more are not manufactured and are not planned. There is an idea that maybe someone will be interested in “rich” companies and upgrade 10 other helicopters, but this is unlikely. On the MO line, it would be possible to collect 200 ... 400 pieces to put in DOSAAF and begin to pull the boys out of the streets and from under the fences. But this is a fantasy. As a training desk, the helicopter is beautiful, it forgives a lot, the skills gained on it allow us to master all modern Russian helicopters without much effort. So today the Mi-2M is a technological platform for testing the engine and some other products.
  19. Wolkin
    Wolkin 29 September 2012 18: 03
    0
    I don’t even know how to receive this news. I gave this device to 15 years of life and 2300 hours of acquaintance.
    A tear struck! Nostalgia! The "smoking room" is still alive! Soon Mi-2 will be a "golden jubilee", somewhere in 2014-15, it will hit 50 years. How many of them do we still have? Svidnik produced about 5400 pieces. And how many of them were left after the dispersal of air units and the fragmentation of Aeroflot in our country? In 1992, the release was stopped, which means that the most "fresh" is 20 years old.
    After Poland went on strike in the 80th year, resources began to slowly extend.
    In those days, 2-3 overhauls and the apparatus was considered a dinosaur. And how many overhauls is the record now? Interestingly, Poland still had accessories, blade sleeves? Where do they buy it now? I read somewhere that in 2009-10 30 Mi-2s were restored.
    But what is 30 for our vast country, we would have 3000 light helicopters and that "will be too young."
    In fact, the helicopter was beautiful, its strength was simply phenomenal, but in the 80s it was no longer modern. Unfortunately, engines are his weak point. Not enough power and throttle response. I have no complaints regarding operation, for all the time there is only one failure. Consumption, however, 300 l \ h.
    He needed new engines about 30 years ago. Therefore, my opinion: - we must move forward. But can we? Although what only in our country does not happen, here is an example-
    http://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2012/08/07/238695.html