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The dragon is still watching: the prospects for China's involvement in the Ukrainian crisis

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Source: russian.cgtn.com


The dragon is watching


China is currently the main observer of the Ukrainian crisis, the consequences of which have already affected every inhabitant to one degree or another. Someone is fighting to the death for the freedom of Lugansk and Donetsk, someone is sadly watching record fuel prices, and someone is in a frenzy of hatred for Russia. Beijing has taken a distinctly pro-Russian position, has not joined the sanctions, and is assessing the prospects for a similar crisis to develop on its own soil.

In recent years, the United States has stepped up pressure on China, especially over the latter's claims to Taiwan, and the unfolding events around Russia could be a model for a future crisis. First of all, the ease with which Western countries froze (actually stole) half of Russia's foreign exchange reserves is striking. Who is stopping Washington from confiscating China's money in the same way?

Moreover, Beijing has accumulated a gigantic amount - more than 3 trillion dollars, to which the United States has virtually direct access. And nothing can be done about it - until they come up with more reliable currencies for saving capital than the dollar and the euro. The yuan never became a global monetary unit, so it will not be possible to reliably save savings in this financial haven either. The problem is with gold, which is physically not enough to provide such gigantic reserves. The United States, along with European countries, theoretically retains leverage over established Chinese neutrality. And the most desperate in Washington are already threatening China. So far, however, it has not come to Beijing's sovereign savings. As the New York Times writes:

Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo has issued a stern warning to Chinese companies that may flout announced US restrictions on exports to Russia, saying the US will cut them off from the US hardware and software they need to manufacture their products.

The American was even frightened by the shutdown of the SMIC semiconductor factory in Shanghai - no one overseas, apparently, thought about the global consequences of such a step ... Officials of a much higher rank are also putting pressure on Xi Jinping. According to Victoria Nuland, Olaf Scholz and Emmanuel Macron have already spoken with the Chinese leadership. There is only one goal - to try to persuade Beijing into an anti-Russian coalition. In response, Zhao Lijian, a spokesman for the Chinese Foreign Ministry, quite unequivocally parried the US claims:

“China strongly opposes any unilateral US sanctions and their application of the principle of extraterritoriality. When considering the issue of Ukraine and relations with Russia, the American side must strictly and accurately take into account the concerns of China and not allow infringement of the rights and interests of the Chinese side.”

And here the Americans really have little chance of success. With the rejection of Russian oil, everything is going relatively calmly - after all, no more than 10% of supplies were withdrawn from the total volume of imports. But to finally quarrel with one of the most important trading partners for the current US administration would be like death.

The economic inconvenience of the population, expressed in a rise in the price of everything and everything, will already lead to political demands. Gasoline at American gas stations has overcome the psychological mark of $ 4 per gallon, and the prospects for a decline are not yet in sight. A distinctive feature of the current crisis is the intransigence not only of China, but also of the "world gas stations" - Venezuela, the United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia.

Washington tried in vain to persuade the oil-producing countries to increase production in order to offset the loss of Russian exports. Maduro, for obvious reasons, sent the Americans away - we remember the attempts to change power in the country and the clearly disadvantageous position of the United States in this stories. The Saudis and the UAE have refused to discuss the issue of oil at all. First of all, no one wants to lose profits and destroy the unity of the OPEC + cartel. Secondly, the Arabs are unambiguously taking revenge for flirting with Iran, to which the Americans have already been promised prompt access to the oil market for a nuclear deal.

Temporary inconvenience


China is certainly receiving serious dividends from its policy of non-intervention in the Russian-Ukrainian crisis. Firstly, the United States is now 100% busy organizing pressure on Russia, which means diverting attention from the Asia-Pacific region. However, an unofficial delegation arrived from Washington to calm down Taiwan, which has already irritated the Chinese Foreign Ministry. Secondly, Western sanctions pressure on Russia will inevitably turn the Kremlin to the east.

Now pessimists and spiteful critics are talking about the insignificance of trade relations between Russia and China. Say, we are not even in the top 10 of Chinese trade. But let's take a closer look at the situation. Does China have many allies with such a huge resource and military-technical potential? At hand is the "giant US aircraft carrier" Japan, which is trying by all means to put together a military alliance against China with India, Australia and the Americans.

The European Union is also trying to rid itself of growing Chinese influence. If now it’s just to close all European automobile enterprises in the Middle Kingdom, then half of the brands will simply go around the world - such an influence is exerted by the constantly growing Chinese market. That is why Beijing will never go for unilateral sanctions against Russia.

By the way, since 1989 the Chinese themselves have been permanently under Western restrictions, in this, one can say, we are comrades in misfortune with the PRC. Companies subject to US restrictions (for example, Huawei and ZTE) will soon take their place in the Russian market. And it is not at all necessary that the quality of these goods will become noticeably worse than the departed European and American ones. China has already become interested in buying significantly depreciated shares of Russian companies - primarily Gazprom and Rusal.

For Russia, the turn to the east will have strategic implications. First of all, in the development of infrastructure in Siberia and the Far East, which has been talked about for several decades. These territories are gradually losing population, and hence the potential for development. For full-fledged trade with China, completely different transport communications are needed.

But it is impossible not to remember in this story about a fly in the ointment.

China is primarily an importer of resources and food. The developing crisis around Ukraine hits buyers very painfully. The high cost of oil, gas and wheat in the near future may provoke a recession, both in China itself and among its trading partners. However, the United States has already missed one of the points of the program.

Washington, in fear of the well-being of its own electorate, hurried to bow to Venezuela and the United Arab Emirates with a request to increase oil production. While it worked. But the US has lost an important lever of pressure on China's political leadership - the rise in oil prices could force Beijing to reconsider its neutrality towards Russia. However, the Kremlin also has its own trump card - the dumping of oil exported to China. Russia currently supplies at least a third of export oil flows to the Celestial Empire and may well stimulate the economy of its neighbor with discounts. With gas, everything is more complicated - in the near future, Russia will not be able to purely technically increase sales of pipeline gas to China.

Now we supply China with about 7 billion cubic meters of gas per year, while Turkmenistan sells more than 40 billion to Beijing. At the same time, China is ready to buy much more pipeline gas, but the capabilities of the Russian gas transmission system are still limited. We have to be content with LNG, which is much more expensive.

That is why Beijing is closely following the results of Russia's special operation in Ukraine, expecting the speedy demilitarization and denazification of the Kiev authorities. And here, in addition to geopolitical interests, an important role is played by the economic component.
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  1. sen
    sen 13 March 2022 14: 27
    +6
    The dragon is still watching: the prospects for China's involvement in the Ukrainian crisis

    No, this is not his battle, the Chinese are cunning. They will wait until China gains strength and the US weakens.
    1. Seryoga64
      Seryoga64 13 March 2022 14: 38
      +18
      Quote: sen
      and the US will weaken.

      Yes, they will not mind if Russia weakens
      1. Borik
        Borik 13 March 2022 14: 46
        0
        The Paralympic Games are over, China can already start its operation in Taiwan.
        1. Seryoga64
          Seryoga64 13 March 2022 14: 52
          -2
          Quote: Borik
          China can already start its operation in Taiwan.

          I won’t be surprised
        2. fif21
          fif21 13 March 2022 15: 07
          0
          Quote: Borik
          China can already start its operation in Taiwan.

          The Chinese are smart people. And relations with Russia, in contrast to relations with the United States, they are quite satisfied. Brandishing the sanctions cudgel, the US has dug its own grave. Sorry Sam, Rocinante (name of the horse) can't stand two. hi
          1. Civil
            Civil 14 March 2022 08: 19
            +1
            China is currently the main observer of the Ukrainian crisis, the consequences of which have already affected every inhabitant to one degree or another.

            This is the main beneficiary Ukrainian crisis.
            The Communist Party of China once again pitted the United States against Russia with their simultaneous weakening.
      2. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
        Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 13 March 2022 14: 48
        -5
        Not yet. In a few years, when the US becomes weaker, other scenarios are already possible.
        1. Seryoga64
          Seryoga64 13 March 2022 14: 54
          +2
          Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
          Here in a few years, when the US becomes weaker

          Do you think now the United States will twitch against China because of Taiwan?
          Strongly doubt
          1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
            Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 13 March 2022 14: 57
            +1
            It doesn't matter what I think. The important thing is that the Chinese are very cautious. As long as there are no concrete arguments against the army and navy of the US and Japan, China will not take risks. So far, China has no such prerequisites. Even close. That is why they will wait.
            1. Seryoga64
              Seryoga64 13 March 2022 15: 02
              -2
              But they won't wait long
              1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
                Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 13 March 2022 15: 04
                -1
                Everything depends on our success in the war against the United States. There will be success - maybe they will take a risk. But I highly doubt it. The same Japan has been strengthening its army and navy for several years now. And according to experts, the fleet has an excellent one, and the army is already good.
                1. Seryoga64
                  Seryoga64 13 March 2022 15: 11
                  +2
                  Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
                  The same Japan has been strengthening its army and navy for several years now.

                  And China is not standing still
                2. kot423
                  kot423 15 March 2022 11: 47
                  -2
                  Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
                  And according to experts - the fleet has an excellent, and the army is already good

                  Just forget one thing: Yapi is an occupied country and there are 1 options: either mattresses will fight with China until the last Japanese, or Yapi will sit on the 2th point exactly, and when events escalate between mattresses and China, they will throw out mattress bases in order to avoid getting cradles instead of mattresses . And the 5nd option is more vague ...
          2. stan200000
            stan200000 16 March 2022 21: 34
            0
            They will not twitch even if we strike Washington, because if this happens, then the United States will no longer be able to make any significant retaliatory strike. Russia not only possesses the best nuclear weapons in the world, but also has many more trump cards. And Putin launched a special operation with a potentially long-range aim. Therefore, as soon as we stand on the western border of Ukraine, new soldiers of fortune will most likely appear from Poland, Slovakia, Hungary and Romania, i.e. the walking Dead. And here we can completely block the sky, given the Kaliningrad-Z.Ukraine-Black Sea line.
      3. Dimont
        Dimont 18 March 2022 12: 27
        0
        The Chinese are on their minds, they will not miss their benefit
  2. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
    Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 13 March 2022 14: 47
    +14
    In three places, I wrote that China would not intervene until the war in the territory of the former Ukraine was over. They gave me minuses as if it depended on their number whether China would start an operation in Taiwan or not.
    Teenagers of all ages were eager for free emergency aid from China. Like a war will start in Taiwan and it will immediately become much easier for us. Naive illusions.
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 13 March 2022 14: 50
      +3
      Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
      Teenagers of all ages were eager for free emergency aid from China.

      These teenagers and 10 aircraft carriers want an apple tree on Mars. And not even tomorrow, but yesterday. And none of them can say - why?
      1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
        Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 13 March 2022 14: 58
        +1
        Aircraft carriers to play with. And apple trees on Mars are the dream of the generation of the 60s. laughing
        1. NDR-791
          NDR-791 13 March 2022 15: 23
          +9
          Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
          Aircraft carriers to play with.

          Here, in general, many are playing ... sofa troops, what can you take from us wassat How many shouts there were - "Yes, as soon as the first Bayraktar takes off, then we’ll immediately choke on the control center and that's it ... no one else will take off." They fly, female dogs, where the couch experts do not specify that control center and do not report to the General Staff. recourse
        2. Vladimir61
          Vladimir61 13 March 2022 15: 25
          +6
          Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
          In three places, I wrote that China would not intervene until the war in the territory of the former Ukraine was over. They gave me minuses as if it depended on their number whether China would start an operation in Taiwan or not.
          I walked through your comments ... and where are the cons "given" to you? No need to expose yourself as a victim of bad guys!
          1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
            Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 13 March 2022 15: 51
            -4
            No need to expose yourself as a victim of bad guys!

            Everything depends on time. I wrote about this ten days ago. Either twice on the Reporter (TopCor), or once on this site, but once on the Reporter.
            The ratio was about 15 minuses to 6 pluses.
            Now there are no cons at all. It looks like people are starting to come back to reality))).
  3. NDR-791
    NDR-791 13 March 2022 14: 47
    +8
    For starters, where you sit down in China, you get off there. Are they scared? How? With this one??? Not even funny!!!
    Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo has issued a stern warning to Chinese companies that may flout announced US restrictions on exports to Russia, saying the US will cut them off from the US hardware and software they need to manufacture their products.

    China has risen on a disregard for any intellectual property. And for a certain Raimondo, let it be a revelation that China has not yet mobilized its own in the United States. And that really means EVERYONE. From a merchant in Chinatown to a programmer in the CIA.
    But I suggest hiding bright hopes in a deep cellar:
    For Russia a turn to the east would have strategic implications. First of all, in the development of infrastructure in Siberia and the Far East, which has been talked about for several decades.

    There will be consequences, with such bright hopes there will definitely be - "gas in exchange for telephones" do not you want? Do not forget that everything that China builds in other countries, it considers its own and nothing else!!!
    1. Saxahorse
      Saxahorse 14 March 2022 19: 50
      +1
      Quote: NDR-791
      For starters, where you sit down in China, you get off there. Are they scared? How?

      Our officials are also trying to scare. The recent attack on the Chinese Tik Tok can be recalled. God forbid, the Americans will try to spin this blunder ..

      Quote: NDR-791
      China has risen on a disregard for any intellectual property.

      But our Ministry of Digital Affairs decided to join the sanctions. Microsoft banned Windows in Russia, so be it, such as immediately turn off the computer. Well, either buy Altlinux (or Ubuntu, download for free). laughing

      Secretary of the United Russia General Council Andrey Turchak said that amendments would soon be ready to introduce criminal liability for those who carry out anti-Russian sanctions inside Russia. He is quoted by the press service of the party.
  4. Livonetc
    Livonetc 13 March 2022 15: 02
    +2
    Quote: Borik
    The Paralympic Games are over, China can already start its operation in Taiwan.

    Early.
    On the nose of the congress of the CPC, which is expected to extend Xi for the next and subsequent terms.
    Until then, everything should be smooth.
    There are also pro-American clans in the CCP that are not loyal to Xi.
  5. Adagka
    Adagka 13 March 2022 15: 08
    +1
    They blew 600 billion reserves in a day, but there is silence in the zombie box, the names of the "heroes" who donated such amounts to the enemies are not voiced, for some reason no criminal cases are opened, no investigation is underway .... if you draw an analogy, it's like if would Stalin in 41g. He gave the entire gold reserve to Hitler for safekeeping. Here, as they say, the main thing in the course of the investigation is not to find yourself. This is to the question of external and internal enemies. Well, it will be quite an anecdote, if this money is given to the ukrams, it is not for nothing that they have already opened their mittens on them.
    1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
      Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 13 March 2022 15: 42
      -4
      "We have a total amount of reserves of about $640 billion, about 300 billion of reserves are now in a state in which we cannot use them"

      Adagka is an alarmist!
    2. stan200000
      stan200000 16 March 2022 21: 42
      0
      Well, what kind of ukram? This territory finally ceased to exist on February 24.02.2022, XNUMX. We can guarantee that we will no longer be threatened from this territory only if we fully control it and our presence there on a permanent basis, i.e. FOREVER!
  6. Ermak_Timofeich
    Ermak_Timofeich 13 March 2022 15: 27
    -5
    the ease with which Western countries froze (actually stole) half of Russia's foreign exchange reserves is striking

    They are not used to it. Due to this, at all times in history, they got out of ... the bottom.
  7. Adagka
    Adagka 13 March 2022 15: 29
    +1
    everything is fine, the uryakalki are already minus with might and main)
    though it hurts the eyes, it makes it difficult to yell about patriotism, the new world order and further according to the training manual) the distribution of state money to enemies does not fit into their picture of the world)
    otherwise, you see, the Ministry of Finance declared that the reserves were frozen, it is not necessary to state the facts of a great mind.
    answer the question - who was personally responsible for our reserves, made such decisions, and why has no one been punished yet?
    1. Asad
      Asad 13 March 2022 15: 51
      +1
      Calm down, the West froze that part of the gold reserves that they had as collateral in their accounts. Without this collateral, after 2014, he did not lend money to our banks. Well, how are our bankers without margin? Under 2% took under 18% gave.
    2. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
      Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 13 March 2022 15: 56
      -7
      For what riches weep?
      Do you feel sorry for the figures or do you understand nothing at all in economics?
      Material wealth is frozen by barely a couple of percent of this amount.
      So they could be taken away at any time. Without the demand of our ministers.
      How is Chelsea taken away now and what are you going to do about it? Will you write a complaint?
  8. Kittymoore
    Kittymoore 13 March 2022 15: 48
    +11
    However, the Kremlin also has its own trump card - the dumping of oil exported to China.


    This is a trump card for China, which will set prices for Russian energy resources.
    Like it or not, but there are no alternatives to China, my beauty. So it is necessary to appease Uncle Xi. Hit!

    What will Uncle Xi demand for the opportunity to sell Russian energy resources to him? Hmm, what was demanded of China at the beginning of the 20th century? Unequal contracts, concessions.

    Companies subject to US restrictions (for example, Huawei and ZTE) will soon take their place in the Russian market. And it is not at all necessary that the quality of these goods will become noticeably worse than the departed European and American ones.


    No worse, but you can also forget about the "cheap Chinese analogue of the iPhone". We will buy Huawei at the price of Apple.
    And with all due respect to Huawei (I have a phone from them), this is heaven and earth :)

    "Does China have many allies with such a huge resource and military-technical potential?"


    Has Russia become a Chinese ally? When did you have time? CCP in the know?
    1. stan200000
      stan200000 16 March 2022 21: 46
      0
      After the final and irrevocable absorption of Ukraine, the entire world military-political game will go on at completely different levels and speeds. The states have already begun their majestic fall, they just haven't figured it out yet...
  9. Adagka
    Adagka 13 March 2022 15: 53
    +2
    Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
    "We have a total amount of reserves of about $640 billion, about 300 billion of reserves are now in a state in which we cannot use them"

    Adagka is an alarmist!

    no, well, of course, 300 billion is not money, but if all 600, then Siluanov, Nabiulina and other "brilliant" financiers would probably have already been shot. Well, for such a trifle, even a reprimand is ashamed to do.
    1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
      Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 13 March 2022 16: 03
      -7
      In my opinion, Russia has lost only material resources that are located in the West.
      But they would have been lost anyway. Regardless of the names of ministers and other officials.
      Tell us what Russia really lost from what could not have been lost.
      Or is it important for you to punish, and then you will come up with a reason?
      1. mz
        mz 13 March 2022 17: 26
        +6
        Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
        In my opinion, Russia has lost only material resources that are located in the West.
        But they would have been lost anyway. Regardless of the names of ministers and other officials.
        Tell us what Russia really lost from what could not have been lost.
        Or is it important for you to punish, and then you will come up with a reason?

        Russia has lost the opportunity to develop: in a normal state, this money should be invested in its economy, industry, education, medicine, science, and not withdrawn to the West to the delight of their capital. According to the most stringent criteria, the volume of gold reserves for Russia is sufficient for about 280 billion dollars.
        1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
          Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 13 March 2022 17: 32
          -12
          this money in a normal state should be invested in its economy, industry, education, medicine, science

          That is, they would have been eaten for a short time without much sense.
          The problem is that the available money is often not mastered. Lack of human resources. They can eat easily, but getting returns is not so easy.
          1. mz
            mz 13 March 2022 22: 02
            +4
            Not eaten, but artificially (intentionally, on purpose) pulled out of the Russian economy. There are enough human resources, they do not want to be used effectively. The development of Russia is not in the plans of the ruling minority and the Russian government.
  10. Andy_nsk
    Andy_nsk 13 March 2022 16: 00
    -7
    I think that Putin's "multi-move" began with an operation in Ukraine, today Iran hit the US embassy in Kurdistan with 12 ballistic missiles, soon mattresses will bomb Iran in retaliation, Iran will block the Strait of Hormuz, through which 40% of world oil is exported. . Russia has already supported Iran with its air defense systems, and it can also support it with its anti-ship systems. Mattress covers will have to get into the war up to their ears, transfer the AUG from the Pacific Ocean. China will take Taiwan with its bare hands.
    Oil prices will be simply astronomical.
    Sowing without salary and fertilizers is pro ... t not only in Ukraine, but also in Europe. For more romance, the Russian Federation may declare an oil embargo on Europe and transport oil to India and China. The West will be left without oil products, gas, polymetals, chips, grain. Evergreens will start heating stoves - why not a victory for green energy?
    1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
      Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 13 March 2022 16: 05
      -3
      Quote from Andy_nsk
      For more romance, the Russian Federation may declare an oil embargo on Europe and transport oil to India and China.


      Carry boats? Or on rafts?
      1. Andy_nsk
        Andy_nsk 13 March 2022 16: 08
        -4
        Why are you not satisfied with the tanker fleet?
        1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
          Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 13 March 2022 16: 12
          +2
          Because we don't have it. And you will need a huge fleet - there will not even be enough Chinese and Indian resources in the coming years.
          1. Andy_nsk
            Andy_nsk 13 March 2022 16: 24
            -6
            Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
            Because we don't have it. And you will need a huge fleet - there will not even be enough Chinese and Indian resources in the coming years.


            Why for years? For a month! - there will be a complete opa and there will be few who want to continue the confrontation. And there will be peace, friendship, chewing gum - but not on the terms of our overseas colleagues
            1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
              Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 13 March 2022 17: 34
              0
              I understood about peace, friendship and chewing gum. But you can't transport a lot of oil on them.
              1. Andy_nsk
                Andy_nsk 13 March 2022 18: 03
                -7
                Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
                I understood about peace, friendship and chewing gum. But you can't transport a lot of oil on them.


                Why carry a LOT of oil? Indeed, it is possible to transport (primarily oil products) by rail to China, I think that if tanker owners have a choice between idle time and transportation of "Russian" oil with a high margin, how long will they agree to incur losses?
                But that’s not the point, I understand people a little, Putin once said: “If a fight is inevitable, you need to hit first!”, He clearly seeks revenge, is ready to go to the end, and creating a complete collapse in the global economy is the best way achieve the surrender of the United States. Still, of course, a nuclear strike on "decision-making centers" is good, but the risk of getting an answer is very high. And slightly hold back our oil industry, leaving mostly domestic consumption (about 50% of the oil produced is exported now), well, let this flow be reduced to 10% in a month - our oil industry will survive this, but Europe (provided that the Strait of Hormuz is blocked and gas flows) will stupidly freeze and stop ... a complete collapse of not only the economy, there will be nothing to eat, food must not only be produced, but also transported ... I understand that my forecast is alarming in nature, it is unlikely that the development of the situation will be exactly like that, too there are many "ifs", but it can be considered as an extreme case. In fact, I think everything will be softer, however, I believe that Putin, starting a "big game", hid some trump cards ... "A la guerre comme à la guerre"! repeat
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              3. Andy_nsk
                Andy_nsk 13 March 2022 19: 03
                -3
                And we have a tanker fleet, although small, and it is being actively built, at the moment there are 485 tankers with a total deadweight of 16,9 million tons.
                http://www.morvesti.ru/analitika/1689/90465/
      2. Carat
        Carat 13 March 2022 16: 19
        +1
        Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
        Quote from Andy_nsk
        For more romance, the Russian Federation may declare an oil embargo on Europe and transport oil to India and China.


        Carry boats? Or on rafts?


        By rail, as in Europe.
        1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
          Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 13 March 2022 16: 23
          0
          Railways to India and most of China have not been built.
          And in Europe, oil was supplied mainly through pipelines. Which is much faster and cheaper.
    2. stan200000
      stan200000 16 March 2022 21: 48
      0
      Exactly. What the hell are minus, it's not clear?
  11. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
    Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 13 March 2022 16: 07
    +1
    Quote from Andy_nsk
    The West will be left without oil products, polymetals, chips, grain .. everything will be in the hands of the Russia-Iran-China triumvirate


    And the capital will be in New Vasyuki.
    1. Andy_nsk
      Andy_nsk 13 March 2022 16: 15
      -2
      I suggest somewhere closer to the center of the country - to Siberia, it’s not good when the capital is on the western outskirts of the country
      1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
        Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 13 March 2022 16: 15
        -3
        I agree with Omsk.
  12. Adagka
    Adagka 13 March 2022 16: 12
    +4
    Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
    In my opinion, Russia has lost only material resources that are located in the West.
    But they would have been lost anyway. Regardless of the names of ministers and other officials.
    Tell us what Russia really lost from what could not have been lost.
    Or is it important for you to punish, and then you will come up with a reason?

    they say for sure, simplicity is worse than theft) so just in case, if you suddenly didn’t know, war is a very expensive event and requires these very material resources, which are not in abundance, but some have already been mediocrely lost.
    1. Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
      Expert_Analyst_Forecaster 13 March 2022 16: 16
      -8
      Drain counted)).
  13. Adagka
    Adagka 13 March 2022 16: 16
    +4
    Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
    For what riches weep?
    Do you feel sorry for the figures or do you understand nothing at all in economics?
    Material wealth is frozen by barely a couple of percent of this amount.
    So they could be taken away at any time. Without the demand of our ministers.
    How is Chelsea taken away now and what are you going to do about it? Will you write a complaint?

    virtual money does not cease to be money. although people like you, who are very understanding in the economy, are just on the topic, oil in exchange for food, and even better back to the roots - barter in kind, bast shoes, spears and torches)
    1. D16
      D16 13 March 2022 17: 14
      -1
      virtual money does not cease to be money

      "It's not your tooth, not even my tooth, it's his tooth" laughing (C)
      This is a pledge for borrowed money. Now the debts will be repaid in freshly printed rubles and creditors will exchange them for euro money from the pledge. Everyone is happy. laughing
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  15. Andy_nsk
    Andy_nsk 13 March 2022 16: 21
    +1
    Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
    I agree with Omsk.

    I would build a new government village not far from the Trans-Siberian Railway .. let there be New Vasyuki!
  16. monah
    monah 13 March 2022 16: 24
    +3
    Quote: Adagka
    everything is fine, the uryakalki are already minus with might and main)
    though it hurts the eyes, it makes it difficult to yell about patriotism, the new world order and further according to the training manual) the distribution of state money to enemies does not fit into their picture of the world)
    otherwise, you see, the Ministry of Finance declared that the reserves were frozen, it is not necessary to state the facts of a great mind.
    answer the question - who was personally responsible for our reserves, made such decisions, and why has no one been punished yet?

    What are you talking about, who will investigate and even more so punish? And as here, the previous speaker noted, "the main thing is not to go out on yourself!"
  17. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 13 March 2022 16: 51
    +1
    The dragon is still watching: the prospects for China's involvement in the Ukrainian crisis

    How can you not understand. that you can’t live hoping either for Castro, or for Xi, then who the hell knows who.
    Our country has faced a difficult test, and all of us, from the president and the last official to the service sector worker, must prove that the lesson of the collapse of the Union has been learned. That it is impossible to live in order to EAT to lawlessness. DO NOT encourage an IDLESS lifestyle. IT IS NOT POSSIBLE UNDER THE LAW to live on stolen goods and brag about it. We are simply obliged to make our country such that any abomination does not even think to look askance in our direction.
    For the first time, you no longer need to wait for various indulgences from the West. Hit at once on all sore spots. So that they are more concerned about their own well-being, and not the weapons of the Nazis.
    Let's wish our military an early victory and everyone, by virtue of their capabilities, will begin to build their own country.
    1. highlight
      highlight 13 March 2022 18: 45
      +3
      In the Russian Federation, it is customary to steal and demonstratively gobble up what has been stolen, and publicly spit in the robbed. Tomorrow Putin's "middle class" will understand that for 17 rubles he will not be able to even buy bread for a month.
      And who will rally around "there is no money, but you hold on", "pasta always costs the same"?
  18. nikvic46
    nikvic46 13 March 2022 17: 15
    -1
    China is pursuing a very flexible policy on the Ukrainian issue. Sometimes even incomprehensible to us. Many people want China to start the Taiwan operation as soon as possible. For our country, the longer peacetime in this region lasts, the better. During this time, we will be able to fine-tune the mechanism of economic relations .No need to push China. Yes, and he himself is quite independent.
  19. p0pulivox
    p0pulivox 13 March 2022 19: 29
    -1
    Beijing takes a distinctly pro-Russian stance, did not join the sanctions and assesses the prospects for the development of a similar crisis on its own soil.
    China certainly reaps serious dividends from its laissez-faire policy. in the Russian-Ukrainian crisis.
    The first statement somewhat contradicts the second, as it seems to me ...
    China has already become interested in buying significantly depreciated shares of Russian companies - primarily Gazprom and Rusal.
    ...
    However, the Kremlin also has its own trump card - the dumping of oil exported to China.
    This is a great joy (?), Where does such optimism come from?!
  20. iouris
    iouris 13 March 2022 20: 06
    -2
    China has not taken a pro-American stance. That's all.
  21. FoBoss_V
    FoBoss_V 15 March 2022 06: 44
    -1
    The most important question is: why does the state not buy up the depreciated shares of Gazprom and Rusal? Are they waiting for China to buy them? I didn't understand anything at all
    1. Asad
      Asad 16 March 2022 11: 09
      0
      We transferred a trillion rubles to support the Rusfond, but it’s not enough to see, we decided not to open trading until we resolve issues in Ukraine.
  22. Schtirlitz
    Schtirlitz 20 March 2022 09: 24
    0
    [quote=stan200000] Russia not only has the best nuclear weapons in the world, but also has many more trump cards.
    Has anyone ever seen this nuclear weapon, both from our side and from the American side?
  23. kvd015
    kvd015 27 March 2022 16: 19
    -5
    China will soon become the master of Russia, buy Gazprom, buy Rusal, buy ....
    And then what ?
    1. kvd015
      kvd015 27 March 2022 16: 21
      -5
      China will win this confrontation. And who will become its raw material appendage?
      1. Svetovid Vatnikov
        Svetovid Vatnikov 28 March 2022 11: 28
        0
        Quote: kvd015
        China will win this confrontation. And who will become its raw material appendage?

        And what will the kaklandia become? I wanted to become an appendage - geyropas, but Russophobia let me down.
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    4. Svetovid Vatnikov
      Svetovid Vatnikov 28 March 2022 11: 33
      0
      Quote: kvd015
      China will soon become the master of Russia, buy Gazprom, buy Rusal, buy ....
      And then what ?

      What difference does it make to you as a Bendera information saboteur? your place is in the cauldron or in the geyrop to teach the local LBGT and Arabs the sovereign language until they are sent to the Gilyak.
      1. kvd015
        kvd015 29 March 2022 20: 34
        -4
        My place is where I want, and you want to become a hegemon. Why do you want this ? Someone offended you / there is a good Russian proverb: they carry water on the offended)
        1. Svetovid Vatnikov
          Svetovid Vatnikov 30 March 2022 09: 51
          0
          As I thought, there will be no objections to the "Bendera information saboteur".
          Well, in principle, I am modest, but if you insist so, so be it, just call me Hegemon. Do not confuse the rejection of essential evil and their carriers with resentment. This is the Bendera slush, and you in its ranks, judging by their dirty deeds and feces in the information space, are offended by the whole world and believe that everyone owes them something. Time has shown that a Klostanian accepts everything - Benderaism, including spitting on his ancestors, real heroes - Soviet soldiers, partisans, workers who fought for a common victory over the already mentioned essential evil - Nazism, and I will note European Nazism - wildlings. For a small slice, a nuland-cookie, for ghostly promises, you will become anything reptilians, lbgt-shniks, cannibals, it doesn’t matter. Thank God, not everyone on this primordially Russian land became obender and ran wild, such people have a Future.
        2. Svetovid Vatnikov
          Svetovid Vatnikov 30 March 2022 10: 04
          +1
          Quote: kvd015
          My place is where I want, and you want to become a hegemon. Why do you want this ? Someone offended you / there is a good Russian proverb: they carry water on the offended)

          Well, judging by the fact that you always write shortly and rather not in Russian, like from the series "what are your evidences", you put together phrases, rather in a-kokosovsky. Do you work with a translator? And the proverb, well, out of place? Yes, and a Russian to a Russian, even if he is crumbled, will never specify that this is a Russian proverb.