The Russian Defense Ministry called data on losses during a special operation in Ukraine

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation announced the losses of the Russian army during the military special operation on the territory of Ukraine since February 24. This kind of data was presented by Major General Igor Konashenkov.

According to the official representative of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, the total number of dead Russian servicemen was 498 people. Another 1597 received injuries of varying severity. It is not yet reported how many Russian military men ended up in the hands of the enemy.

According to the Russian Ministry of Defense, Ukrainian troops lost 2870 people killed. About 3,7 thousand more were wounded. In addition, more than 570 Ukrainian soldiers were taken prisoner by Russian troops. This is the official interpretation of the defense department of the Russian Federation.

Thus, the Russian defense department itself announced data on losses among Russian military personnel in Ukraine. This was done, apparently, in order to avoid any speculation about this. Indeed, a lot of materials began to appear on the network in which all kinds of experts, including those who had nothing to do with the military sphere, began to practice presenting “loss data”.

Against this background, it became known that the 2nd round of negotiations between the Russian and Ukrainian sides will take place tomorrow, March 3. Initially, the meeting at the Polish-Belarusian border was scheduled for today's evening. Commenting on Russia's demands to Ukraine, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov urged not to consider the list as demands for surrender.

"Military Review" expresses condolences to the families and friends of the dead soldiers and wishes recovery to the wounded.

Comments

[Aleksandr75]

Guys, take care of yourself, eternal memory of the dead!

[OgnennyiKotik]

Ministry of Defense of Russia:

"Russian soldiers and officers show courage, bravery and heroism during a special military operation"

"The crew of one of the Russian tanks under the command of senior sergeant Nimchenko, being at the forefront, destroyed 40 armored vehicles (9 tanks and 6 BTR-3) and more than 80 nationalists within 90 minutes with well-aimed fire"

"Another tank crew under the command of the commander of a tank company, senior lieutenant Starostin, repelling an attack with significantly superior enemy forces, destroyed 8 armored vehicles (BTR-80) and more than 100 nationalists, preventing them from breaking through to the crossing"

"During the battle, a Russian tank was attacked by an American Javelin ATGM. The crew received a shell shock, but did not leave the battle. After making sure that the equipment was in good condition, 2 more enemy tanks were destroyed with well-aimed fire"

[raw174]

The question is, why does our machine reflect the SUPERIOR forces of the enemy? Insufficient intelligence. data? Someone's heroism is someone's miscalculation.

[MrFox]

Because they have piled on... and how we can fight back

[military_cat]

Why didn't they immediately cut off all communication? Where are the electronic warfare facilities?

[carstorm 11]

This is a fight. Especially for the bridge. Cars are damaged, BC ends or malfunction.

[nonsense]

intelligence acted so-so... Until now, news about the shelling of the territory of Donbass and Russia by TR "Tochka-U" is coming. “It just doesn’t fit into any framework! Where are all these AWACS aircraft of the A-50 type? - Yes, they must hang there for days on end and pinpoint the positions of artillery and missiles!

[Vadim237]

These questions will need to be asked by the Ministry of Defense and the prosecutor's office will be involved why the operation is so badly designed and why the intelligence facilities worked so disgustingly, but my opinion remains that the whole operation was concocted by the Ministry of Defense on the knee a couple of days before it began.

[Charik]

And some people presented as former military men, one in reserve, say that this is being developed up to a year. Is your opinion based on amateur knowledge or are you a former military man who took part in the database or service in the General Staff analytics?

[alexmach]

And by the way, about a year ago, exercises were held very similar in scale and deployment of forces to the beginning of the current operation.

[Vadim237]

In this operation, the most elementary horseradish was put. Yes, according to amateur knowledge.

[lucul]

In this operation, the most elementary horseradish was put. Yes, according to amateur knowledge.

We have taken control of the Chernobyl and Zaporozhye nuclear power plants, and this is the main thing. If Bandera had blown them up (and this option cannot be ruled out), then there could have been much, much more deaths than these 500 people.
Hence the rush.

[Plate]

In this operation, the most elementary horseradish was put. Yes, according to amateur knowledge.

They put, according to my observations, only on this. I think (hope) that the General Staff fully painted their questions and took them into account. Posting guards, organizing a reconnaissance platoon in front of the column, flying helicopters in a flight, scheduled duty (and not kicking ... ahem ...) ... these are the questions of officers who directly command the troops.
I think there are 2 factors at work here:
a) gouging;
b) the expectation of little resistance from the fraternal people.
As a result, some excessive relaxation and violation of the elementary things you mentioned. But now everyone seems to have understood that the matter is very serious and act accordingly.

[irbis0373]

Quote: Vadim237

In this operation, the most elementary horseradish was put. Yes, according to amateur knowledge.

Sitting on the couch and talking is the easiest way.
I regret the dead, unfortunately this cannot be avoided.
It's always easier to criticize, especially from the couch.

[alexey sidykin]

Quote: Charik

And some people presented as former military men, one in reserve, say that this is being developed up to a year. Is your opinion based on amateur knowledge or are you a former military man who took part in the database or service in the General Staff analytics?

No, those who are indignant probably think that, like in a game, they came and beat everyone and everyone themselves remained alive ... Whereas, given the scale of the operation, we even have a few losses.

[Korax71]

Now try to explain this to mothers and folders, who gave their sons alive, and will receive zinc with a smeared window. But it’s good, you may even be right about the level of losses, but this will not cancel the fact of loss.

[flicker]

Now try to explain this to mothers and folders, who gave their sons alive, and they will receive zinc with a window

Just like the dill method

[Alexander Salenko]

Relatives tell, offer to photograph the faces of the dead and in the network.

[polar fox]

Quote: Korax71

Try this now to explain to mothers and folders that they gave their sons alive,

and you tell this to my average ... he was there at 14 and now there ... he didn’t ask me, he’s already big. Yes, and a contract soldier.

[Alexander Salenko]

So he is a polite person. From me and from my wife, whose nickname is signed, bow to the ground. Thanks to him, we do not see what is happening there now and what happened in the Donbass.

[polar fox]

Quote: Valentina Salenko

From me and from my wife whose nickname is signed,

it’s only when he arrives))) he doesn’t like to tryndet on the phone ...

[Alexander Salenko]

Anyway, your son was involved in a big deal, I thought where to hide the children, it’s not a damn thing fun and I knew where to get a machine gun, we would have a massacre. So I specially took the children to our soldiers and showed them, remember the children - these are our liberators.

[polar fox]

Quote: Valentina Salenko

remember children are our liberators.

you understand that ... so the same thing has to be hammered into our heads, in Russia ... not everyone understands this ... oh, not everyone.

[Kapral Alphych]

Try it now to explain to mothers and folders,

In fact, we have a contract army fighting! Moms with folders don't send anyone there! They go there either at the call of the heart, or for a salary! And conscripts are sitting in parts! So do not squeal!

[Serg65]

Quote: Korax71

Try this now to explain to mothers and folders that they gave their sons alive, and they will receive zinc

Contract soldiers are fighting, i.e. people purposefully chose the most dangerous profession! They CHOSEN THEM, not their mothers and fathers!!!

[SSR]

Quote: Vadim237

These questions will need to be asked by the Ministry of Defense and the prosecutor's office will be involved why the operation is so badly designed and why the intelligence facilities worked so disgustingly, but my opinion remains that the whole operation was concocted by the Ministry of Defense on the knee a couple of days before it began.

Well done such. Already done better?
Or involve the prosecutor's office?
Whose water are we pouring on?! We need to make a request to the authorities.

[Vadim237]

The prosecutor's office will be involved later - when the operation is over, the relatives will find out the real losses, as well as the entire public. As well as to those who were responsible for air defense in Millerovo.

[raw174]

Quote: Vadim237

why the intelligence means worked so disgustingly, but my opinion remains that the entire operation of the Ministry of Defense concocted on its knee a couple of days before it began.

In the case described, it was not the link in the preparation of the operation that worked poorly, but tactical intelligence, directly on the battlefield. The operation itself, in my opinion, is well prepared, as far as the data allows us to judge, we do not get stuck, we do not retreat, the guys carry out their tasks. I repeat, we are fighting on hostile territory, this is a very complicated process.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Vadim237

These questions will need to be asked by the Ministry of Defense and the prosecutor's office will be involved why the operation is so badly designed and why the intelligence facilities worked so disgustingly, but my opinion remains that the whole operation was concocted by the Ministry of Defense on the knee a couple of days before it began.

Yes, there are many factors and it is impossible to foresee everything. If ours acted like mattresses,

then the losses would be less, but this is not our method and the main task is to minimize losses among the "civilian" population. In addition, before the destruction of Ukrainian air defense, our columns at the initial stage went without air cover and the main losses were during this period. And yet, yes, we should not discount the fact that we entered foreign territory, where the local population leaked all the information about the movement of our convoys online by cell phone, which allowed the enemy to set up ambushes along the way.
It is necessary to cut down not only television in Kyiv, but also all cell towers in the zone of movement of our troops, in order to deprive them of the opportunity to coordinate the actions of partisans, territorial defense and warriors with the Nazis. Let them call the rail.

[Don Analyst]

The details of the operation are not worked out from the word "generally".

Significantly underestimated enemy.

There is no specific data on the number and combat capability of the units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
At least the principles of combined arms combat were revered.

[Repellent]

Quote: Vadim237

the operation was badly designed, the reconnaissance equipment worked disgustingly, but my opinion remains

railway worker, what is a crutch? Or do you not know this either?

[flicker]

why is the operation so badly designed

Not just an operation, but a special operation. And it is special because it confronts us with the Anglo-Saxon represented by the Ukrainian.
Our challenge detach Anglo-Saxons (Bandera, Natsiks) and the confused people of Ukraine drafted into the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
The difficulty is that it is extremely difficult to distinguish them from each other.
---
Part of the Armed Forces surrenders, part guards the nuclear power plant together with us. And the other part at the beginning shows neutrality, and then suddenly starts shooting at us in the back. Hence the loss.
But now the situation has changed, we react more harshly.
---
And the operation, according to experts, is more than successful. And indeed it is.

[ser-pov]

Quote: nespich

intelligence acted so-so... Until now, news about the shelling of the territory of Donbass and Russia by TR "Tochka-U" is coming. “It just doesn’t fit into any framework! Where are all these AWACS aircraft of the A-50 type? - Yes, they must hang there for days on end and pinpoint the positions of artillery and missiles!

Our people know where they are hitting from, there are dense buildings, these bitches are hitting from the yards. Our civilians are afraid to hurt ...

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: ser-pov

Our civilians are afraid to hurt ...

In Kharkov, they are no longer very afraid, artillery is making pinpoint strikes in social areas.
Shame on you. It will take a long time to rake.
Wet the neighbors in the communal apartment.

[Repellent]

Quote: Maki Avellievich

In Kharkov, they are no longer very afraid, artillery is making pinpoint strikes in social areas

Apart from your words, is there anything else on this topic?

Quote: Maki Avellievich

Wet the neighbors in the communal apartment

You are not?

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: Repellent

Quote: Maki Avellievich
In Kharkov, they are no longer very afraid, artillery is making pinpoint strikes in social areas

Apart from your words, is there anything else on this topic?

Quote: Maki Avellievich
Wet the neighbors in the communal apartment

You are not?

Kharkiv is basically a Russian city. language, mentality, etc.
there are relatives there (they are not Nazis, I assure you) and have been there.

after "denafikatsii" it is unlikely that anyone there will have a good word to say about Russia.
Here is such a "special operation" is obtained.

your business, but it seems to me that your guarantor will lead you to a dead end. and that's a pity.

live as you know.

[Repellent]

To clarify the question, you probably did not understand:

Quote: Maki Avellevich

In Kharkiv, artillery strikes at social areas

Can you give specific examples of "pinpoint strikes"?

We don't need generalities, we need specifics.

[Maki Avellevich]

I can’t raise the video, realizing it’s no longer possible, I give a link to the cart

the point impact on residential buildings is clearly visible.

looks like a grad system. this is how they win the hearts of the people.

https://t.me/mknews_ua/7295

[Repellent]

Quote: Maki Avellievich

the point impact on residential buildings is clearly visible.

looks like a grad system

Amazing. This is the City.

And it was the Russian troops who did it? Is there something to confirm, or do you take the word of the gentlemen from mknews_ua?

Ukrainians also have cities, "Point strikes" There are no hail in nature ... looks more like a provocation

Quote: Maki Avellievich

win the hearts of the people

For this, yes.

PS: the subscriber has disconnected, there seems to be no answer. The subscriber fell heavily in my eyes, I considered him to be sane. Now, in his opinion, "the Russians are inflicting point strikes hail along the residential area of ​​the Russian city. "There are no words.

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: Repellent

Ukrainians also have hailstones, "pinpoint strikes" There are no hailstones in nature ... it looks more like a provocation, just for

maybe the entire Russian army in Ukraine is just a Ukrainian provocation

[Repellent]

Quote: Maki Avellievich

maybe the entire Russian army in Ukraine is just a Ukrainian provocation

I am aware that the manner of answering a question with a question is characteristic of your people.

You see: after you mentioned "precise strikes by the RA Grad on residential development," communication with you lost all interest for me. Firstly, this is a densely illiterate statement, and secondly, it fundamentally contradicts the tasks assigned to the RA.

Farewell to the heroes (as well as to you personally) - fat. Eat, don't slouch.

[Maki Avellevich]

It takes intelligence to understand sarcasm

[Repellent]

Quote: Maki Avellievich

It takes intelligence to understand sarcasm

Sarcasm is a double-edged sword, aren't you afraid?

So what do you want to say, dear?

[Maki Avellevich]

I wanted to say that they hit residential areas with volleys of hail.
Probably intelligence reported that this area is inhabited by the Nazis.
Do you have another explanation?

[Repellent]

Quote: Maki Avellievich

Do you have another explanation?

There is, and I already brought it. A provocation from the Armed Forces of Ukraine, RA did not rest against such a "resonance". Although, of course, and your option can not be completely ruled out.

[Maki Avellevich]

I am not anti-Russian. At all.
It pains me to see how one people divided by conventions is at enmity.
I pray that you can heal open wounds as soon as possible.

[Alexander Salenko]

And to hell with them, just so fat. No need to tell me about Russian Kharkov, there are a lot of Russophobes even with Russian surnames. There would be a percentage like in the Donbass of our people, there would be KhNR.

[seagull]

"Wet the neighbors in the communal apartment."
Call Donetsk and Luhansk, they will sympathize with you...

[Kapral Alphych]

Wet the neighbors in the communal apartment

Neighbors are drunks and inadequate! So much was asked by the whole section to calm down, and they either call names, or they will set fire to the doors! And even the youngest is beaten for 8 years! Plus, they brought into our section the same inadequate people from the main road, who now threaten to squeeze out the entire communal apartment!
So I had to clean the face of such a neighbor! The only question is, will it reach him immediately or will you have to kick him constantly?

[flicker]

I am ashamed of you

Shame on you.

[raw174]

Quote: ser-pov

Our civilians are afraid to hurt ...

Yes, but I think that with the advancement in depth, this caution should come to naught. Two friendly regions (LDNR) must be cleaned up as delicately as possible, and the rest of Ukraine must taste the power of Russian weapons to the fullest ...

[Alexander Salenko]

A friend of mine has a daughter in Kharkov, and she says so, standing right under my windows.

[Andrey VOV]

Nespich, open the map and see where the shelling is coming from .. Everything is nearby, there are a bunch of peace and buildings, the fact of the matter is that we are fighting in Russian, and not like NATO, plus how many km hits 152 and hail ??

[alexey sidykin]

Quote: nespich

intelligence acted so-so... Until now, news about the shelling of the territory of Donbass and Russia by TR "Tochka-U" is coming. “It just doesn’t fit into any framework! Where are all these AWACS aircraft of the A-50 type? - Yes, they must hang there for days on end and pinpoint the positions of artillery and missiles!

Dot U thing, you know, mobile is here today and tomorrow in a completely different place.

[g1v2]

Because we are fighting on enemy territory. It's obvious. And the first echelon passes to his rear, occupying strategic points. Moreover, because of this, there is an order to abandon equipment in case of breakdowns. Basically, the Volksturm burns it on the video. What they don’t burn, repair teams will pick up later.

[Alexander Salenko]

That's why there are few people killed near equipment, and to hell with it, with equipment, people are much more important and, as far as I understand, Grozny's experience here. WHO abandoned the cars, he left on foot and died on the equipment. There was a video of 3 tigers in Kharkov, obviously they were aiming at the rear.

[ZeeD]

What is a "environmental breakthrough" heard?

[Charik]

it’s a pity all sorts of vyacheslavs on the sofas didn’t finalize the special operation against the 200-strong armed army hiding among the civilian population

[alexmach]

There is no need to just talk nonsense. There are excellent videos about the assault on Grozny, for example. With an overview of what happened. It is obvious that in this operation those errors are not even close to visible.

[Shahno]

I agree, but there are other errors. Because Chechnya is not the territory of Ukraine, there are, as it were, differences ...

[tatarin1972]

You see a great strategist ?! From that opera, everyone fancies himself a strategist, seeing the battle from the side.

[Rostislav]

What a pity that everyone who dares to govern the country already works as waiters and janitors.
And so they would have shown the adversary, wow!

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: V is for B

it seems like an experience ... no one is studying anymore. "Glory to the Great Putin"

I'm still wildly sorry - but what does the VGK have to do with it? I don't condone it, but stick your nose into every pothole he can't either.
I had a chance to talk with the special forces, who participated in the second Chechen war - here they respond well: they were not betrayed at every step

[Andrey VOV]

You are Bandera

[alexey sidykin]

Quote: V is for B

Why someone? This is a miscalculation of those who have general epaulettes, but it seems that the experience of two Chechen, 2008, Syria has not taught anyone anything. Yes, and no one is studying the suppression of the rebellion in Hungary. "Glory to the Great Putin"

Oh, one more "hero" how come you all climbed out ... surely not everyone in Ukraine was covered yet.

[Alexander 3]

There was information that we were one day ahead of the Banderaites. It was the Banderlogs who wanted to clear their territory. Yes, and NATO drove its troops from all sides. In the event of their successful offensive, NATO bases with nuclear weapons were deployed on the territory of Ukraine. We had no choice. rocket time from Ukraine to Moscow 5 minutes.

[alexmach]

Information was received that we were one day ahead of Bandera.

This is very unlikely in my opinion.

[Alexander Salenko]

Well, in any case, it was the Ukrainians who opened the database, having crossed the Seversky Donets River with two DRGs. It is difficult to say how far-reaching the plans were, but the fact is that we were not even the first to start, although we planned.

[Ulad]

That's what confuses me in the "flying time" argument. In place of NATO, nothing prevents nuclear weapons from being delivered in the Baltics. The question is why? After the first use, it doesn't matter who fired first.
There's something else here...

[nnm]

So the advanced groups are clearly applied. Or how, in your vision, it is necessary to enter Grozny like the Maikop brigade?

[Andrey VOV]

nn did you fight in Chechnya in 95? Did you enter the formidable?

[nnm]

Instead of an answer. Urgent, DON-100, 94-95

[dmmyak40]

Good question ... I constantly ask it while reading the memoirs of our fighters during the 1945 period. Four against eight... Eight against twenty... Squadron against 50... Questions, questions...

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: raw174

The question is, why does our machine reflect the SUPERIOR forces of the enemy? Insufficient intelligence. data? Someone's heroism is someone's miscalculation.

Here is the direct report:

[yaglon]

A rapidly changing front line. Quite normal. The battalions that have rushed forward fall under the blows of superior forces and suffer heavy losses. It has always been so.

[alexey sidykin]

Quote: raw174

The question is, why does our machine reflect the SUPERIOR forces of the enemy? Insufficient intelligence. data? Someone's heroism is someone's miscalculation.

Do you think that they do not have armored vehicles? Moreover, fighting is not a computer game. You know, they shoot at them and even kill them.

[max702]

Because the brotherly people ..

[28st region]

Attackers always create superior forces in a certain area. In this case, the battle was described when the Nazis tried to break out of the boiler. In this case, the operational data changes not just every minute, every second. And then one thing is strategic or operational-tactical intelligence, in this case, everything is at the level of a platoon, company, battalion.
They repelled a massive attack, destroyed the enemy, they themselves remained alive - wonderful. Another small victory that adds up

[Babay Atasovich]

To the dead - GLORY! Alive - RESPECT!

[bandabas]

The Gordian knot should have been cut 8 years ago. And our propaganda suffers. A la Kozma Kryuchkov. In any case - good luck! Russian military.

[pilot306]

Aviation is a clear lack of aviation forces in this direction. The Su-25 should have come up and this disgrace would not have happened.

[Thrifty]

They died for us, for our future! I am sure that their names will be immortalized, that the Book of Memory will be published, where all the dead soldiers of Russia can be seen in photographs! Accept, Michael the Archangel, them into your heavenly army! Peace be upon them!

[Vlad Baryatinsky]

Quote: Thrifty

They died for us, for our future! I am sure that their names will be immortalized, that the Book of Memory will be published, where all the dead soldiers of Russia can be seen in photographs! Accept, Michael the Archangel, them into your heavenly army! Peace be upon them!

Most relevant comment!
Unfortunately, NOT EVERYONE UNDERSTAND, and they are trying to “squeeze politics” again!

[vindigo]

It's a pity for the girls from Kramotorsk. Now our soldiers do not stand on ceremony. Volkssturm in Kherson was cut in half from autocannons, along with trees. Creepy footage.

[ultra]

Do they pour cocktails in Kramatorsk? Yes, you are fantastic, however.

[lopvlad]

Quote: Vladislav_2

women and girls are pouring Molotov cocktails and ready to attack

these are not the women and girls who poured these same cocktails and then, having fun, burned people alive with them in Odessa on May 2? .So let these "women and girls" be glassy earth. Denazification once again means the fight not only against the Nazis but their accomplices.

[Alexander Salenko]

And this is Nazi and there are not accomplices. And in general, on the subject of the Volsksturm, since we are talking about it, how many idiots do not catch up that this is not a fucking game. I wonder if they, in principle, realize that the laws of war do not apply to them? If I lived in Kyiv, for example, I would also take a machine gun to shoot those breaking into the hut, but there in Kyiv they really patrol something and after the war it will be necessary to identify them all and have a conversation, they know each other. These accomplices and those girls who poured cocktails in a fascist way are.

[Incvizitor]

It’s a pity for the dead, the earth rest in peace and the wounded get better, for those who say “a lot of losses in a few days,” you don’t count days, but how much army 404 has been done, as the army was essentially destroyed, and obviously not weak, it’s not vagrants in the desert with flip flops to drive, not air defense, not aviation, not a fleet of equipment, a bunch was knocked out, that grouping that in the boiler up to 100 thousand has already been sentenced not today, but they will cut out the whole focal resistance, they sit and practically don’t rock the boat, the Russian Federation has the whole sky under control for SUCH a result, I consider 500 killed, not only a sane result but very good (also city battles are going on).
The main part of our people, as I understand it, fry the dill in the cauldron, roast it, and immediately everything at the rock will fall down and many people will be freed for battle and a moral blow for the invaders.

[Vlad Baryatinsky]

Quote: Alexander75

eternal memory to the dead!

Kingdom of Heaven, Warriors!
Deep Regrets, To the Families of Heroes!

[And Us Rat]

I thought that the dead were no more than 300-350ti. It is felt that the command lacks experience in certain aspects. Some things really jarred me, a person who took part in ground combat operations. For example, insufficient protection of logistics convoys, falling into avoidable ambushes, insufficient implementation of air support capabilities and many more nuances. But in general, they try to protect people, as I understand it, this is commendable.
Rest in peace guys, your watch is over.

[yaglon]

Well done! Dispelled the topic for speculation.

[yaglon]

Did they have to lose 2-3 people in order to advance hundreds of kilometers? Quite objective losses, which, as the historian Isaev says, can be assessed as moderate. Given the progress made.

[Piramidon]

Quote: yaglon

Did they have to lose 2-3 people in order to advance hundreds of kilometers? Quite objective losses, which, as the historian Isaev says, can be assessed as moderate. Given the progress made.

According to the laws of war, the attacking side usually suffers losses three times greater than the defending side.

[Incvizitor]

Now everyone is in control of air superiority, whoever has it dominates and there are fewer losses.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Incvizitor

Now everyone is in control of air superiority, whoever has it dominates and there are fewer losses.

Well, that's the way it is. 1 to 5 in favor of the attackers. And we must also take into account the restrictions on the use of aviation and heavy artillery for humanitarian reasons

[Cjiobo]

1 to 6.
They thought that the population was still sane, but as it turned out, they were simply stoned to the fullest. They seemed to have been given something to drink for all eight years. And ours cannot shoot at houses, etc., etc.

[alexmach]

And ours cannot shoot at houses, etc., etc.

It is impossible in any case.

They thought that the population was still sane

The part is sane. Part of the insane will be re-educated. The rest will be shot.

[Alexander Salenko]

Stoned. I lived in this state for 23 years and I know perfectly well what is there and how, and I saw illusions about Ukrainian citizens. Even we in the Crimea have some of them, some of them dumped from the Crimea, the air is only cleaner. For example, Crimean skinheads, a friend of mine knows them, a sane archaeologist, as it seemed, also dumped them in Azov. He is 45 years old, if he has not died, this is not some kind of kid there.
We opened a new school in Simferopol in 2005, made it bilingual, at first they wanted a purely Ukrainian one, and the people exploded. So every morning they played the anthem there. For 8,5 years, such processing is taking its toll, I am already silent about history textbooks.
And in the rest of Ukraine, they did not restrain themselves at all. But pay attention, patriotism is cunning, a man throws himself under a tank, knowing that they will not move. But he, and a provocateur, nevertheless does not go to the military registration and enlistment office, but you can leave.

[alexey sidykin]

Quote: Incvizitor

Now everyone is in control of air superiority, whoever has it dominates and there are fewer losses.

So it is not only now, it has been so since WWII.

[Prometey]

Yes, there are no such laws of war. To be successful, operations in the direction of the main attack must have a 3-fold superiority. But this does not mean that they have to suffer losses 3 times more than the defender. With a well-planned offensive, the defender, deprived of maneuver, can suffer higher losses.

[Glory1974]

Yes, there are no such laws of war.

Quite right. I agree with you 100%

To be successful, operations in the direction of the main attack must have a 3-fold superiority. But this does not mean that they have to suffer losses 3 times more than the defender.

And in the breakthrough area, superiority should be a ratio of forces of 1 to 5.

With a well-planned offensive, the defender, deprived of maneuver, can suffer higher losses.

Not only can, but must. And when the enemy is surrounded, the rear units of the enemy enter into combat contact with the advancing units, and the level of his losses increases sharply.
The hardest thing is in urban areas. Combat at close range, in conditions of limited visibility, etc. Ours strive not to fight according to the statutory rules, they pity civilians. Therefore, Kadyrov's demands are to fight like this to fight.

[musketon64]

According to the laws of war, the attacking side usually suffers losses three times greater than the defending side.

This is the first stage during a tactical breakthrough. Then the boilers, "alignment of the front line" (drap) change the ratio in favor of the attackers. Therefore, an offensive (strategic initiative) is always better than sitting in the trenches.

[alexmach]

According to the laws of war, the attacking side usually suffers losses three times greater than the defending side.

Yeah .. when breaking through the prepared defense. Where did you see this in this war? except in the areas of advance of the DPR and LPR.

[Shahno]

But agree, at least 1 to one, or am I wrong?

[alexmach]

Yes, it all depends on the nature of the action. And Russia is acting in many respects rather cautiously. There are not so many major collisions for the whole company yet.

[Victor Leningradets]

I ask gentlemen officers not to repeat these cinematic myths from the First World War. You would still remember the battle with baguettes against cavalry (XVIII century).
A competent breakthrough of the prepared defense is carried out by the overwhelming FIRE superiority of the attacking side, followed by a quick maneuver to disorganize the defense to the full depth. The subsequent cleansing of centers of resistance is also carried out by destroying the blockaded enemy with firepower. The pursuit of a disorganized enemy is carried out to destroy him, so that he does not organize focal defense in operationally important nodes remaining in the rear of the troops. The most effective means of combating a disorganized enemy are mobile tactical groups supported by army aviation.
And what kind of FIRE superiority is necessary to break through and defeat the enemy’s defenses, what mobile forces should be allocated for this - the task of the headquarters (if intelligence worked well).

[Korax71]

You are confusing a little. The advancing side should have a three to five-fold superiority, i.e. a platoon should attack a squad in defense. Nothing is said anywhere about losses that they should be many times greater. If you suffer three times losses in an offensive, then feel free to consider that it failed.

[Borik]

I do not have so many swear words to digest this data. In five days, lose 500 people killed. And this is still without data on the losses of the DPR and LPR or with them?
It's a pity, a pity for our soldiers, let them rest in peace. And even more sorry for their mothers and fathers.

[Evil543]

Likewise. I have no words. Assault on Grozny 94-95. There are simply no words.

[Evil543]

Dear minusers from sofas. Your cons are deep purple, as are your pros. I have something to compare. 9 months of 1 Chechen can't be knocked out of my memory. And what I see is only mate.

[Andrey VOV]

And tell me where you fought in 1 Chechen? V / h, all your own? 9 months? From November?

[Evil543]

Is everything okay with your head?

[Andrey VOV]

What do you evil know about the assault on the formidable in 95 ??

[Evil543]

I know a lot about the assault on August 96

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Repellent

It popped up again...

"It" is all from the same "opera". It's amazing that it's the only one.

[Prometey]

And what should be the losses? 2 people? They do not fight against the Bushmen with spears. There is a war against a state that has a regular army. And it looks like 7 years have not been in vain for ukrov. They prepared them very well. If it were not for Russian air superiority, the Armed Forces of Ukraine would have already entered the Crimea on the captured Russian equipment.

[kirosi]

Well, in general, it’s somehow disgusting to discuss sitting on the couch, like how smart I am. But, of course, not all the victims were inevitable. So on CNN they told and showed in some detail the story of the strategic crossing of the Dnieper near Kherson. In general, miscalculations in planning are obvious. But, I must say that no one planned this "for years": remember where we were at least last year: epidemic, vaccination, etc.? Moreover, in fact, the situation was imposed on us in the middle or late autumn, when the Ukronazis had already transferred the army to the Donbass, and they were preparing for much longer, that is, we had two or three months to plan, no more, and this was in conditions of permanent emergency, when they did not know how much time we have at our disposal before they start a war.

[Jager]

Most likely, only the RF Armed Forces are here. Given that the LDNR troops struck in the main directions and through fortified areas, the losses can be safely multiplied by 3.
One question. Given the number of weapons only in the Russian Federation, it is possible to plow the whole of Europe into the lunar landscape to the English Channel. And to turn the divorced and well-known fortified areas simply into a scorched desert with artillery and aviation. Why was this line gnawed through for several days?

[alexmach]

Why was this line gnawed through for several days?

Have you seen their "fortified areas" in high-rise buildings and artillery positions at school stadiums?

[Jager]

Schools with artillery in the stadiums are empty.

[Andrey VOV]

For those who .. Tight-witted, you can tear everything up in 1 day and make a lunar landscape, but this is if the peaceful people are razed to the ground, as you do

[alexey sidykin]

Quote: Jager

Most likely, only the RF Armed Forces are here. Given that the LDNR troops struck in the main directions and through fortified areas, the losses can be safely multiplied by 3.
One question. Given the number of weapons only in the Russian Federation, it is possible to plow the whole of Europe into the lunar landscape to the English Channel. And to turn the divorced and well-known fortified areas simply into a scorched desert with artillery and aviation. Why was this line gnawed through for several days?

You can plow without difficulty, but only with civilians. And what are they to blame for? Especially in the LDNR.

[kirosi]

where does this cannibalism come from? far from all the Armed Forces of Ukraine are frostbitten Natsiks. Yes, our victims are "lowering the bar" in terms of saving their military and terrorist fighters (those who fight in civilian clothes), but do not remove it completely

[Garris199]

Well, how long will our army fight on armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles of the Soviet design of the 60-70s .... The guys have almost no armor cover.

[Alexander Salenko]

There are a lot of BTR-82A and BMP-3, tigers and typhoons, and on the subject of Soviet technology, but why is it outdated? For the sake of interest, inquire about the year the American M-2 Browning machine gun was created, my grandmother was born this year. Here she died, but the machine gun did not. And the abrams, I still read about them as a kid, just like Bradley. There were such Turbo chewing gums and there are inserts with pictures of military equipment, so there is an M-113A3 armored personnel carrier, for example, only strikers are newer, but the M-113 is also full in the American army.

[voyaka uh]

"In five days, lose 500 people killed." ///
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500 are those whose bodies were transported to Russia after identification.
In many battlefields, no one took away the bodies and no one buried them, so
as a territory not under the constant control of Russian troops.

[Repellent]

Quote: voyaka uh

500 - this is whose bodies were transported to Russia after identification

Were you personally present there, holding a candle? Or are reports sent directly to you from Moscow?

I understand everything, except how to spoil in such topics. Vultures, in the soul of the mother

[just exp]

Israelis are basically Russophobic, so expecting objectivity from them is just as stupid as expecting it from Bandera.
they (Bandera and Israelis) by the way are ideological relatives.

[aszzz888]

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Quote: voyaka uh
500 - this is whose bodies were transported to Russia after identification

Were you personally present there, holding a candle? Or are reports sent directly to you from Moscow?

I understand everything, except how to spoil in such topics. Vultures, mate to the soulb negative

This is at least! Other more capacious words will not be missed by administrators. This prebezhchina is completely rabid - fakes are driving a stream!

[Alexander Salenko]

Without them, the Moscow Region is not responsible to them, and they also have losses. especially since they had a breakthrough over the years of defense being created.

[Andrey VOV]

, go away,

[nnm]

And the absence of a multiple superiority in forces and means.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Igor Tikhomirov

Well done in what? So much has been lost. Do we have many young people?

Six Day War - Israel's loss of about 700 people
Here in less than a week

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Krasnodar

Six Day War - Israel's loss of about 700 people
Here in less than a week

In Afghanistan, over 10 years of war, 15000 soldiers were lost ... compare further, who is more! ....

[kirosi]

about 15 thousand. you are off topic, this includes sanitary (that is, the wounded, out of action, by the way, they were usually not returned to Afghanistan after recovery) and non-combat. Do you know how many, say, non-combat losses from the same US Army annually? If my memory serves me about 4-5 thousand. people Ours - I just don't know.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote from kirosi

about 15 thousand. you are off topic, this includes sanitary (that is, the wounded, out of action, by the way, they were usually not returned to Afghanistan after recovery) and non-combat.

Good! At your "request", we will add 500 wounded to the 1600 dead ... 2100! Plus a certain number of prisoners ... For a week! And 15000 in 10 years ... from 3000 to 5000 in 2 ... let 1,5 years in Chechnya in the first (most unsuccessful ...) campaign! Think for yourself, decide for yourself!

[kirosi]

you do not take into account the intensity of hostilities, and this is extremely important, and you yourself understand. again, it was not in vain that I cited data on non-combat losses, that is, in peaceful garrison conditions, 4-5 thousand per year is 40-50 thousand in 10 years!
That is, they have non-combat losses many times (!) Exceed the combat ones, I hope it’s the other way around with us (but not because the combat losses are large, but because there is more order and mutual assistance).

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

from 3000 to 5000 for 2 ... let 1,5 years in Chechnya in the first (most unsuccessful ...) campaign!

It's too low, in my opinion.

[Alexander Salenko]

Well, it’s probably worth comparing the opponents then, huh?

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

In Afghanistan, over 10 years of war, 15000 soldiers were lost ... compare further, who is more

Afghanistan is anti-gerilla, it is incomparable.

[Evil543]

When she was..

[Nikolaevich I]

It's been too long for you ... can't even remember? And the First Chechen campaign (1994-1996)? Here the data is very different ... the Ministry of Defense (already 2 times, in different years ...), the Memorial Society, the Chechens ... and so on, so on! But you can say something like this: from "over 3000 ..." to "over 5000" soldiers and officers ... Divide these numbers by the months of the war (1994-1996) ... Divide 15000 "Afghans" by 10 years! How much do you make per week? And we must take into account what kind of army it was then (conscripts!) And how many high-precision weapons were used then! In Ukraine, as the Ministry of Defense assures, they are fighting mainly contract soldiers and they have a lot of high-precision weapons ... (again, according to the assurances of the Ministry of Defense!), But the level of losses is comparable! Now the huge problem is how to get the Nazis, the Armed Forces of Ukraine, who deploy heavy weapons near residential buildings, schools, hospitals ... Long-range cannon artillery with "free-falling" shells? MLRS "Grad", "Hurricane", "Smerch"? ... And what? It is possible with "hail", and "tornado" ... and "revenge", and "peony"! Only shells for them should be guided! And a UAV with laser illumination! And UAVs with missiles! What is the success of the Azerbaijani army? Not only in "bayraktars"! And in the general mass (!) Use of high-precision weapons, in advanced remote reconnaissance and guidance means! And if for the Russian troops in Ukraine the coming out tank, standing under the windows of the school, is a problem, then this may indicate that the Russian troops are very lacking in high-precision tactical weapons! And now the redneck of the Ministry of Defense, the country's leadership in front of high prices for high-precision weapons is affecting! Come on with him ... weapons of the 3rd generation! But are there enough "laser-beam" "Whirlwinds", "Chrysanthemum-V", "Attacks"? Do you have enough Krasnopoles? I do not in the least detract from the valor and skill of Russian soldiers and officers to major ... (well, maybe to colonels ...); but I have "nasty" questions for the generals, the Minister of Defense, for the commander in chief ...!

[Garris199]

It's not greed, it's corruption. How much of our money was taken out of the country ... ..and now they just gave it to the enemies. The equipment of the army leaves much to be desired. We have about 1000 Orlan-10 UAVs. They should hang over every district 24/7. Aviation should operate the KAB immediately after the target is detected by the drone.

[Woodman]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Divide 15000 "Afghans" for 10 years!

You forget that in Afghanistan, the government army fought on our side (the same one that, after our departure, held out against the Mujahideen for another three years), and against us were ordinary bandits, although numerous, but poorly armed, without armor and completely without aircraft. Now compare with our current adversary.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Lesovik

against us are ordinary bandits, although numerous, but poorly armed, without armor and completely without aviation.

Bandits fought ... like those that defeated the British in the 19th century (then one of the best armies in the world ...)? Bandits armed with Stingers, MZA; Chinese MLRS, mortars, recoilless, mountain guns? A war in the mountains, where the use of armored vehicles, heavy artillery sometimes "tends to zero"?

[kirosi]

calm down already. Gnas had no options from the word at all!

[Pane Kohanku]

Here in less than a week

Thanks old man. For your opinion. Will live!
To peaceful people - let the war not touch them, let everyone remain alive and well.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Pane Kohanku

To peaceful people - let the war not touch them, let everyone remain alive and well.

Greetings!
Hurry up peaceful sky over the head of the inhabitants of both countries!

[Krasnodar]

Quote: V is for B

Tokmo yours now take care of their own and send planes like that.

And should they give out one rifle to five and go, two kilometers away, to storm the height?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Krasnodar

Six Day War - Israel's loss of about 700 people
Here in less than a week

It must also be taken into account that the Israelis were not limited by any humanitarian framework. In response to a stone thrown from the window - a shot from a tank gun at this window, regardless of who is there.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Piramidon

It must also be taken into account that the Israelis were not limited by any humanitarian framework

They knocked out the aircraft of four countries on the first day of the war. So everything went fast.

Quote: Piramidon

were. In response to a stone thrown from the window - a shot from a tank gun

No one threw stones there - the civilians on both sides hid or fled. The Syrians for four days from the Golan Heights worked on the villages with artillery - from the beginning of the Israeli attack, all civilians jumped towards Damascus.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Krasnodar

Six Day War - Israel's loss of about 700 people

Ukrainians are not Arabs after all.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Dart2027

Ukrainians are not Arabs after all.

They are worse armed. Of the modern only anti-tank systems. Well, the Arabs are all different - the Jordanians are at the level, the Syrians are about nothing, the Egyptians are faced with a war in the desert without air cover.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Krasnodar

They are worse armed.

But we also have to limit ourselves.

[Krasnodar]

So ours entered a country with an almost single (ethnically) population and do not wage war on the complete destruction of the armed forces of another country.

[Dart2027]

That's the point.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Krasnodar

Six Day War - Israel's loss of about 700 people

Opponents are different, you can not compare an Arab with a Ukrainian.

[Shahno]

Well, there were Arabs there, they could simply trample.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: tihonmarine

Opponents are different, you can't compare an Arab

Answered above

[alexmach]

Here in less than a week

Yes, but, unfortunately, no significant progress has yet been achieved or secured.

[alexey sidykin]

Quote: alexmach

Here in less than a week

Yes, but, unfortunately, no significant progress has yet been achieved or secured.

What are you? Enough fairy tales to tell you no success ...

[alexmach]

What are you? Enough fairy tales to tell you no success ...

Not that there is no success at all, of course I did not express myself accurately. No major strategic victories are yet in sight.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: alexmach

Here in less than a week

Yes, but, unfortunately, no significant progress has yet been achieved or secured.

Territories are not comparable

[carstorm 11]

Come on, huh? Did you go to battle?

[Lena Petrova]

Now they will start working in the boilers, and the ratio will change a little.

[Prometey]

There will be no boilers. Don't hope. They will come out of them without problems.

[Blade3]

They couldn’t get away from the DPR, but right now there are no options at all

[Prometey]

DO NOT compare 2014 and 2022 APUs. These are completely different things.

[Alexander Salenko]

But it is not the militia of 2014 that opposes them.

[alexmach]

yeah, it looks like they won't come out.

[Alexander Salenko]

Look at the map and don't carry such nonsense again. They are already in the cauldron, where the infantry has not cut through, they are shot through or bombed from the air. And they tried to break through, but somehow it turned out unsuccessfully. From helicopters, their column was ironed.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Prometey

There will be no boilers. Don't hope. They will come out of them without problems.

Well, yes, win in two steps. Wishlist and reality are very different.

[Stepan S]

To go behind enemy lines without losses, and also in the Donbass, how intense the fighting is. Well, of course, the first days are the most difficult, everyone got used to the war. Now there will be much fewer losses, and the enemy is no longer so strong.

[lucul]

Well done in what? So much has been lost. Do we have many young people?

The fact that so much territory was occupied. Do you offer arte to raze the city to the ground, and then enter it?

[alexmach]

Well done in what?

That they provided official and truthful information on such a sensitive topic. The truth is the most powerful weapon against lies.

[ultra]

We are at war with a grouping that is mintmum twice as large as ours, and this is not counting the volunteer battalions and the terrorist defense.

[Aviator_]

Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov urged not to consider the list of demands for surrender.

Why not demand surrender? Diplomacy?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Aviator_

Why not demand surrender? Diplomacy?

So it’s not a war that goes on, no one announced it. There is no war, there will be no surrender and indemnity.

[Aviator_]

There is no war, there will be no surrender and indemnity.

Well, if these are legal subtleties, then of course.

[LAWNER]

I watch a video of eyewitnesses from Ukrainian cities. There, from marauders, the terror of Bats, people are dying in batches.

[Knell wardenheart]

Let the earth rest in peace for the dead, let the wounds heal without consequences for the wounded. Of course shock..
Already on this we can assume what losses in technology can be.

[donavi49]

According to the loss of equipment, in general, buttocks - 500 boxes with photos and videos on Oryx (an analogue of Lostarmor, only faster and more convenient) were counted.

For example, the villagers take out Tor-M2 for themselves.

Here is the Shell harness.

Here, as many as 3 T-72B3 UTTH tanks were abandoned.

The 4th Kantemirovskaya division lost 3 MSTA-S, up to 12 T-80U, BV and even the rarest UK (with Shtora and Agave), which only this unit had.

3 T-90s lost and 2 of them reliably burned. 1 T-80BVM was lost by the 128th brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and now it serves with them.

90% of these losses - they ran out of fuel, they threw it away! 5% is stuck, abandoned. 5% all other reasons.

[Chikua]

Do you think there are sleeping beacons in abandoned equipment? Like those that are put in the car from theft?

[carstorm 11]

Anything can happen. The Kantemirovites went into the breach to hold the object. Guards. Well done. I saw them in white disguise on the first day. The tanks flew away, the rear lagged behind. They threw them in good order so that the columns would not be delayed ...

[donavi49]

Well, again, it's planning. The goal is to reach the lines - no matter how much we throw, the rear will be picked up. However, the main bet on goodwill did not work. As a result, hunting was opened for the rear in the same Chernihiv-Sumy region, catching 1-2-3 trucks, and the abandoned equipment was promptly burned.

Now, by the way, the reverse trend has begun, the Armed Forces of Ukraine forbids burning equipment if it is possible to pull it out. Here are the last two days:

BMD-4M trophy and 2 BMP-3 too.

Also, the new Shell was also not allowed to be burned and was dragged off on a tractor.

BTR-82A

[carstorm 11]

Let them collect. It would be strange if they didn't. Many? If I knew the exact amount of incoming equipment, we could draw conclusions. No matter how it sounds, losses are always planned. Sounded for the local beau monde. Who knows will understand.

[donavi49]

Agree. But here is the system. If before, local Tarasy pulled out useful things, rations, etc., and then burned them. Now it has been severely limited. They try to pull out each box and transfer it to the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

[carstorm 11]

Well, it's logical. All the same, someone remained in the Soviet school. Plus, indirectly, such a change speaks of a very successful destruction of logistics and warehouses.

[indy424]

and what is the point of dragging soldering if overdue for 7 years?

[Paranoid50]

Quote: donavi49

the main bet on benevolence did not work.

This was understood after the first three days, and yesterday in Kherson this understanding was clearly demonstrated when local gopniks tried to indulge in shaitan water. As a result of the short-lived battle, the number of "ambushes" even slightly increased, albeit fragmentarily.

[alexmach]

Interesting, what is it about them? Grads or NAR from helicopters?

[alexey sidykin]

Quote: alexmach

Interesting, what is it about them? Grads or NAR from helicopters?

rather, they fired it from a large-caliber machine gun. Although FIG knows, I served in air defense.

[Vadim237]

This is because there are no additional units to hold and control the occupied territory, there are no jump bases for supplying and evacuating abandoned equipment, and here are the results and all this is the simplicity and mediocrity of the command.

[Repellent]

Quote: Vadim237

no jump bases for supply

Don't talk nonsense.

Quote: Vadim237

all this is forgiveness and mediocrity of command

Mayor, did you serve in the army, even as a private? "Forgiveness", damn it, the victim of the exam.

[Vadim237]

Imagine serving in the railway troops.

[Repellent]

Quote: Vadim237

in the railway troops

Can you tell a rail from a sleeper? What is a crutch?

[vitvit123]

Enough extra units! Some of them don't work at all! And if you don’t know for sure, then it’s better not to write or write that these are your guesses.

[Prjanik]

And we have a lot of trophies from dill. For example, the latest acquisitions of the LPR under the freshly taken Novoaidar.

On the footage you can see the BRDM-2L1, two BTR-80s, the Kozak-2 armored car, the Saxon AT105 armored personnel carrier and the T-64BV, which immediately entered the service of the new owners.
Video on the channel of the People's Militia of the LPR.

[Chikua]

A downed Ka-52 during a landing operation on Gostomel.

[donavi49]

No, these are two different helicopters. Look at the condition (landing on your belly with a broken chassis and on the chassis in Gostomel), as well as the type of suspensions, small details in color, the type of painting over the designation (in Gostomel it’s beautiful with black paint, but here it’s hastily and green with translucency and no traces black paint).

And more importantly, Gostomelsky did not have filters, but the new one has them. Here we see turbines without filters. And the new ones have such black ones in the air ducts.

[Bshkaus]

No, these are two different helicopters. Look at the condition (landing on your belly with a broken chassis and on the chassis in Gostomel), as well as the type of suspensions, small details in the color, the type of painting of the designation

Hmm ... I thought that 2 pieces were shot down: the second one is over the reservoir, the photo shows really different aircraft. so it turned out to be the third over the reservoir. Pay attention to the operation of the emergency escape system - the 2nd pilot did not get out ...

[Wildcat]

This, IMHO, is a photo above the water - the Ukrainian MiG 29, they dismantled it at Lostarmore.

[Bshkaus]

This, IMHO, is a photo above the water - the Ukrainian MiG 29, they dismantled it at Lostarmore.

No. On the 24th in the afternoon, they reported a downed helicopter in that place; in fact, I identified it as a ka52 by the parachutist.
The third was shot down on March 2 (one of two on the field). The MiG that you are talking about at that time (13-15 hours) was in a different place, namely, it covered the Ukrainian Su24, which worked on the first wave of landing in Gostomil. Those. floated over my head. The 1st extermination battle was on the 25th in the Vasilkov region, but my friend had already observed this ...
By the way, I did not understand what the cons are for? For the fact that I am sitting under shelling and cutting the truth of the uterus? You there completely dislocated virtual generals on the Internet, waging a war for 500-1000 km and sincerely believe that the Russian warrior is immortal because because ...
There are fierce battles and both sides naturally suffer losses.

[Alexander Salenko]

Plus as compensation, I don’t know why to minus.

[Wildcat]

A downed helicopter is another story. Look at Lostarmore, this photo is part of the video, there, IMHO, the plane is visible.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Bshkaus

over the reservoir was the third

And how can you see that this is a Ka-52?

[Azis]

Quote: donavi49

On the loss of equipment in general

What irons, it's a pity for people, there are not so many of them - we have young, active and reproductive left. The figures are still without taking into account the LDNR, FSVNG and others who are involved. I hope that the families of those killed in this operation will be paid without ordeals and, preferably, increased.

[Dart2027]

Quote: donavi49

90% of these losses - they ran out of fuel, they threw it away! 5% is stuck, abandoned. 5% all other reasons.

Is the source of all this some Ukrainian sites? By chance, not those on which more of our soldiers have already been destroyed than they are available at all?

[donavi49]

Most of the equipment is abandoned. Usually there is no fuel in it. For example, one of the T-80U, which the grandfather at his "kolgospa" dismantled "From the cable to the rope, serve" - ​​was dry. Also, most MTLBs are also dry.

However, the equipment that was abandoned falls into place, like a backwater and go. Here is the T-72B in 89, the therodefense lost its way.

But the T-72B3 or T-80BVM (it is difficult to determine exactly by the body kit of the tower from above) - the villagers also took away.

However, the vast majority of equipment in the video is without fuel, and this is noted. For example, they threw Shturm-S with 14 missiles, the solarium ran out.

Or in the settlement - 2 BMP-3s, 1 T-72B with a visor and 1 T-72B3 were thrown without fuel, and this is clarified in the video "Zlyvaty nothing".

[Dart2027]

Quote: Dart2027

Is the source of all this some Ukrainian sites? By chance, not those on which more of our soldiers have already been destroyed than they are available at all?

[just exp]

no words, and this army was going to fight with NATO.
damn it, we can’t provide ourselves with fuel, the very fuel of which in the country is up to the point ...
and everyone wonders why UAVs are not used about which all ears have been combed here, accurate weapons and the rest.
To say I'm disappointed is an understatement.
completely changed his mind about our army, and it's not my fault. it is the fault of those who carried out all this (praise to the fighters, shame on the rear and security)

[Flurry]

You have to pay for everything. Such a pace of advance involves actions in isolation from the logistics units, rembaz and other things. The Ministry of Defense considers the quick occupation of frontiers and life of l / s more important than the safety of equipment, and this pleases.

[Disant]

The Ministry of Defense considers the quick occupation of frontiers and life of l / s more important than the safety of equipment, and this pleases.

How do you connect these two ends?
these are holes in planning, and they should not be covered by opposing the lives of soldiers against the safety of equipment.
in a couple of weeks, with such a position, you will have to fight already naked zho.pp.oy

[Flurry]

Name at least one war that went completely according to plan. And yes, Ukraine is a huge country, with a strong army, partly modern weapons. The US + coalition took Iraq in 2003 for 20 days, with incomparably large resources, without ceremony with either the Iraqi Armed Forces or civilians, leveling entire areas with the ground, outnumbering the Iraqi army one and a half times.

[Nastia makarova]

the main thing is people and technology is still riveting

[Krasnodar]

The Americans in Western Europe in 1944 set up a logistic base for every 30-40 ki, the Israelis in 1967 sent a second echelon of repairmen. But, in the latter case, the distances are not comparable.

[Repellent]

Quote: Krasnodar

The Americans in Western Europe in 1944 set up a logistics base for every 30-40 ki, the Israelis in 1967 the second echelon of pearl repairmen

And there, and there was stripped and guarded rear. In Ukraine, this is not the case, and individual representatives of the "conditionally peaceful" population, as experience shows, willingly loot and burn abandoned equipment.

Put repairmen's bases there and they'll burn them too. Or each such base must be guarded, like that Khmeimim, which is also not an option.

Exclusively my opinion.

[Krasnodar]

Yes, I agree, it makes sense

[Garris199]

What is the meaning of this pace? Technique to throw away from the border? Hand over to the enemy or leave for destruction? Oreration "Y" or something goes?

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Garris199

What is the meaning of this pace?

Prevent the Armed Forces from organizing

[just exp]

But why, repair services with all sorts of ARVs and other special equipment, fuel trucks and so on, is this a curiosity with us and have never heard of this?

[Charik]

are these villagers on such tractors?

[donavi49]

Why not? There are good agricultural holdings with top-end equipment. This is rich Chernihiv and Sumy regions.

Well, there is a better one.

Now every self-respecting village has its own armored group.

[Incvizitor]

The Russian Federation has enough tanks, the main thing is that people are safe. Moreover, they don’t throw MCs

[just exp]

because there is no MSok, otherwise they would have been abandoned.

[Krasnodar]

At once, the collective farms are crushed with an armored train. ))

[lucul]

According to the loss of equipment, in general, buttocks - 500 boxes with photos and videos on Oryx (an analogue of Lostarmor, only faster and more convenient) were counted.

This suggests that the quality of equipment needs to be increased, but the mileage traveled is also impressive.

[kirosi]

if anyone is worried about the amount of lost equipment, then I recently read somewhere here, maybe here that Soviet tanks (possibly with armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles, etc., or perhaps only tanks, I don’t remember) were in storage (and most of them are among those that are used now) about 16,5 thousand ..

[ALEXX.]

Sorry guys. Everlasting memory.

[Terenin]

Quote: ALEXX.

Sorry guys. Everlasting memory.

And eternal glory!

[opuonmed]

current there is a jamb in the fact that for 8 years the purges have passed and they have installed their SBU and the Natsiks

[zloybond]

Yes, judging by the information from Mariupol, they (the Nazis) rounded up the civilian population there in order to hide behind hard. It's a real challenge when there are civilians around.

[Alexander Salenko]

This is terrorism and the appropriate specialists are needed.

[Vasily Onischuk]

There are many of us. Eternal memory to them and rest in peace. But this is still carelessness and naivety of the first days. They did not expect that the brains of the population were so killed by dill propaganda. And according to Ukrainian losses .. 2800, these are apparently those that ours picked up on the battlefield at the moment. Excluding missile and air strikes.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Vasily Onischuk

And according to Ukrainian losses .. 2800, these are apparently those that ours picked up on the battlefield at the moment. Excluding missile and air strikes

Among the Ukrainian nationalists and military personnel, the losses are more than 2 killed and about 870 wounded.
Vzglad.ru
Only according to confirmed data, the number of captured military personnel of the law enforcement agencies of Ukraine is 572 people.
TV channel 360°
PS Few! Unfortunately, not enough! For every dead Russian, 10 solderings must be destroyed!

[Vasily Onischuk]

So this is confirmed data. Blows are applied all over Ukraine. There is no way to collect and count. In the zone of active hostilities, the corpses have not yet been collected either. It is not known how the Ministry of Defense considers the Ukrainian military. only those who died from the actions of the Russian army directly, or from the army of the republics too. Most likely the first. They count only our losses and subject losses from the actions of our Armed Forces, without taking into account the republics. It is not clear how they consider, and whether they consider at all, the losses of the defense. This is not the Armed Forces of Ukraine and not the national battalions.

[Incvizitor]

They will count when the boiler is finished, there is a lot there.

[Vadim237]

This is not just a little, it’s very few that the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Nazis now have at least 500000 personnel, this is not counting the terrorists and numerous other scumbags throughout Ukraine.

[vitvit123]

They forgot to add zero .. it will be even cooler!

[Prosha]

Well, what kind of children’s conclusions are you going for a walk in the park, which means you didn’t expect it, you went to the same people like yourself, or do you think that if they come to us to put things in order with weapons, we will sit at home? They went to carry out a combat mission and were obliged to take all possible measures to protect the columns on the marches and outposts, and support.
It is clear that there will be losses, but the valor of the commanders is to avoid losses if possible and fulfill the BR.

[2я19]

You and I can't wait, maybe the neighbor's grandmother can't wait. The commanding and commanding staff must expect! And the higher the rank and position, the more to expect, assume and find the right solutions!

[Garris199]

Carelessness, naivety, did not expect.

Kindergarten, right? Why the General Staff, intelligence, analysts? What are all these people doing?

[2я19]

Your mother, comrade generals! 500 people in a week of fighting! What are you preparing for, fools?

[Alex Nevs]

Not for carpet bombing for sure. It is possible with less than in RAKKA.

[2я19]

The fact that it is not for carpets is understandable! Why? How were you going to fight? What were majors and colonels prepared for? To attacks on unsuppressed anti-tank guns? To ambushes in urban areas? To the fact that the enemy will tremble and run? And if the enemy's air defense had successfully repulsed, then what would have happened? No, comrades, you can’t fight like that in the 21st century, you can’t plan, prepare and organize like that - this is incompetence in its purest form! And the kingdom of heaven to the warriors!

[raw174]

Quote: 2я19

No, comrades, you can’t fight like that in the 21st century, you can’t plan, prepare and organize like that - this is incompetence in its purest form!

Dear, why are you not at the General Staff? This is a war with a large, well-trained army, whose weapons were supplied by the whole West. Ukrainians have been preparing for war for 8 years.

[2я19]

Because I would have planned and organized even worse! And under my leadership, the losses would not have been 500, but 5000! That is why I spin the steering wheel in civilian life and do not send anyone into battle! And no one pays with life and health for my mistakes!

[raw174]

Quote: 2я19

Because I would have planned and organized even worse!

Well, maybe you shouldn't judge? It is not necessary to accuse others of incompetence, so categorically?

[2я19]

Or maybe someone is out of place? You can’t trust him with a regiment, but is he in the generals? I'm coping in my place, not without mistakes, but coping.

[raw174]

So the RF Armed Forces are coping. There can be no war without losses. Losses are not catastrophic. This has not yet been told to us by the losses of the LDNR, the Russian Guard, PMCs ...

[2я19]

Of course I shouldn't judge! You shouldn't judge! Let's remember forever the young, who were the color of the nation and disperse! Take care of your head, the sand can be hard too...

[Alex Nevs]

And I'm on the "clave vayuyu." Therefore, not in the General Staff.

[kirosi]

who are you military? Where are you? sit on the sofa. as soon as the conscience is enough!
And in general, any discussion of such issues, whether competent or not, should definitely be postponed until the moment when the operation is over.

[2я19]

If organizational conclusions are not made promptly on personnel, then the operation may end in different ways and at different times, and the price may be different!

[Alexander Salenko]

Maybe, but the most combat-ready grouping of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the boiler. it will not go anywhere from there, if the politicians, of course, do not surrender, but they should not. And they are not rarely under ... whether the military. And there are definitely seventy thousand in the cauldron. What will they do when BC and fuel run out? And there are already problems with this, and I remind you that in 2015 there was a shortage from large calibers to grenade launchers.

[alexey sidykin]

Quote from kirosi

who are you military? Where are you? sit on the sofa. as soon as the conscience is enough!
And in general, any discussion of such issues, whether competent or not, should definitely be postponed until the moment when the operation is over.

yes, it's completely complete. Such a meeting that a bunch of amateurs gathered on a computer to shoot and judge.

[opuonmed]

and maybe the people of the Internet of the people were to arrange cancer all over Ukraine, while throwing flyers of the plane so that they would not leave, well, if we start to lose more, then we’ll have to do it along the way! unfortunately we have lost this generation, not all of course the nationalists who have the hero Bandera in power!

[Alexander Salenko]

It is necessary to work here, but how, if not everything is thank God with your youth? And you can work, for example, like this. Here is the boy Petya. For example, who was your great-grandfather? Find photos and point your finger - see who he fought against?
Look how Ukrainians and Russians built one mighty state, tell about Chancellor Bezborodko, Hetman Razumovsky, who became the husband of the Empress, about the sailor Koshka, who defended Sevastopol with the same sailors but with Russian surnames Show real Ukrainian heroes of the Second World War, such as Kozhedub.

[raw174]

Quote: 2я19

Your mother, comrade generals! 500 people in a week of fighting! What are you preparing for, fools?

And what, they promised a run? This is a large company, with a vast geography in completely enemy territory, plus everything, our aircraft do not operate in residential areas.
The main thing is that, as a result, the goals are achieved, so that these deaths are not in vain.

[Nevsky_ZU]

Quote: 2я19

Your mother, comrade generals! 500 people in a week of fighting! What are you preparing for, fools?

First, eternal memory and glory to our soldiers.
Secondly, we are fighting against, in fact, yesterday's Russians.
Until recently, I hoped that we would economically begin to strangle Ukraine. But that means Russia was left with no choice. A real threat to the security of the Russian Federation has arisen.
I regret that I stopped writing on this site about the phenomenon of "Russian-speaking Bandera". I thought that more than three dozen publications are enough. During the period 2013-2019. Including the old profile.
Maybe I didn't write enough. I wanted to convey the idea that Western Ukraine is not strange, even a little safer, because there is more of a rural-merchant helpful element. Moveable.
I sincerely wish our Russian soldiers fortitude and courage. Victory.

[Leonidych]

Yes, they were brainwashed very strongly. There was hope that they would meet with flowers, but they shoot in the back. This is all very bad. But everything will change when we put things in order there, when the prices for gas, for gasoline will be the same as in Belarus, or in Belarus, when plants and factories start working, when they start building rockets, planes, ships, cars again. then the attitude will change drastically.

[dnestr74]

What are you comparing to? With Chechen companies? So there are no gangs with RPGs. When did our army fight with an approximately equal enemy?
Glory to the fallen, but this is war.

[carstorm 11]

Really? 80 percent died in the first two days. Occupying bridgeheads. Do you want to do it? Slowly advancing from the border for two years?

[Jager]

I don’t understand one thing - first, all potentially dangerous points of resistance outside the cities in the area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbbridgeheads should be showered with ODABs and artillery. And then the clashes of the First World War.

[carstorm 11]

Tempted to throw. For them, this is death and you will not find them in the field. They are constantly rubbing against settlements. And this is the problem.

[Jager]

With our wealth of experience in maintaining a database for smoking out such figures, is this a problem?

[carstorm 11]

If the civilian population is not saved, then no. And so it binds the hands very much.

[Alexander Salenko]

There is nothing like WWI, and it’s close what you are talking about. Is there a positional crisis somewhere?

[Paranoid50]

Quote: 2я19

mediocrity?

Another alternative gifted...

[Vadim237]

Apparently, they are, namely, the absence in the columns of Shilok to cover hinged armored screens and lattice anti-cumulative screens on armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles; the absence of night vision devices on the helmets of the fighters in the standard equipment on the fighters of the RSHG RMG RPO; the absence of the use of UAVs before advancing and advancing through enemy territory, the limited use of the airborne forces and in many other ways prepared for everything but not for military operations.

[2я19]

That's what we're talking about! Uncles with heavy stars worked very poorly and I see no reason to be silent about it, moreover, it is simply criminal to be silent about it!

[Vadim237]

With such generals and planners of operations, we will not pull any big war with NATO. And the fool understands that to control such a vast territory and rear to keep 164000 nichrome is not enough, at least 200000 more National Guardsmen and another 100000 Chechens would be requested from Ramzan. But as always, everything is at random - maybe they won’t fire at it, maybe we’ll quickly capture it without cover, maybe they’ll lay down their weapons, and so on, and the result is hundreds of pieces of equipment lost and hundreds of people killed and 1600 wounded - it’s sad to admit it, but Ukraine is turning into a new Chechnya of the 90s for us half of the population is extremely negative about our troops of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, consider it does not give up - 570 prisoners in 6 days out of 300000 personnel is simply ridiculous, the West is already transferring weapons and mercenaries to the border from Poland, and this supply will only increase every day, just like the number of embittered people in Ukraine.

[Demon_is_ada]

Where do you get such figures?
The APU has about 120000 in total, about 55000 are already sitting in the boiler.
And as for the negatively-minded population, there are 15-20% of them screaming like ours, who portray the "voice of the people", the rest are wildly scared.

[kirosi]

but I think you're just the one. who was called an alarmist, who deliberately confuses people! It’s a crime for him, you see, a specialist and a smart guy were found.

[lucul]

Your mother, comrade generals! 500 people in a week of fighting! What are you preparing for, fools?

Have you seen the occupied territories on the map? And this is in 5 days. Even just during exercises, 1-2 people can die from inconsistency, and here a whole operation at the army level.
These losses are the result of an order not to anger the local population.
And yes - these losses will be stupid if we give Ukraine back.

[alexey sidykin]

Quote: lucul

Your mother, comrade generals! 500 people in a week of fighting! What are you preparing for, fools?

Have you seen the occupied territories on the map? And this is in 5 days. Even just during exercises, 1-2 people can die from inconsistency, and here a whole operation at the army level.
These losses are the result of an order not to anger the local population.
And yes - these losses will be stupid if we give Ukraine back.

I don't think they were even interested in such details.

[Wasiliy kostrow]

There should be few generals and each one worth its weight in gold.

[zloybond]

You still do not confuse. There, a large Army opposes (these are not geyropian liberals), there are combat-ready units, they have a motivation to fight - otherwise a military tribunal is a rope around the neck. They understand that they are cornered like rats. This is not a gang of Basmachi and not Papuans with bows. They also studied, they were trained and armed not with slingshots. Considering that they are also hiding behind the population, the situation becomes more complicated. War is not a walk or a parade.

[Vista401]

These are big losses. Even according to MO there are more real ones. Some of the bodies are still just not picked up. Some are not identified. Lots of bodies on the Ukrainian side. There are still losses at the Ministry of Internal Affairs at the Russian Guard. You can generally keep silent about PMCs - they do not appear on the lists.
So they took it on a whim. And please note the small number of prisoners. And recently they announced an allegedly whole air defense regiment that surrendered !!!.
Earth rest in peace, eternal memory

[zloybond]

don't forget LDNR. - They don't dig potatoes there either.

[Flooding]

Quote from Vista401

Even according to MO there are more real ones. Some of the bodies are still just not picked up. Some are not identified. Lots of bodies on the Ukrainian side. There are still losses at the Ministry of Internal Affairs at the Russian Guard.

write that not all are counted
then let's get down to business
do you have other data?
show and prove
Are you going to refute official information with empty chatter?

[zloybond]

The man simply clarified that the Department of Defense accounted for itself if I understood his clarification correctly.

[Flooding]

Quote: zloybond

The man simply clarified that the Department of Defense accounted for itself if I understood his clarification correctly.

this is not called clarification, but stuffing

Quote from Vista401

Even according to MO there are more real ones. Some of the bodies are still just not picked up. Some are not identified. Lots of bodies on the Ukrainian side.

there is information - write on the case
No? nothing to invent

[carstorm 11]

There is no PMC there now. In an army operation, they are one harm.

[Vista401]

How are you all so smart? And I assure you there is. My best friend recruited there on February 5 for a training camp in Kingisepp, on February 17 it was already near Belgorod, and on February 23 he called me and said that they were coming. There is no more information. He was recruited through the union of veterans, since he participated in the first Chechen war as a conscript for 2000 bucks. Insurance for 5 iln rub. Received an advance, bought the uniform for themselves
I hope I convinced you?.

[carstorm 11]

You can believe in anything. I don't interfere with this.

[Demon_is_ada]

Quote from Vista401

zp 2000 bucks. Insurance for 5 iln rub

In a week I hope?

[Shahno]

Well, basically, it's the same as always. 5000 according to the Ukrainian version, 500 according to the RF Ministry of Defense. The real losses lie somewhere between...
If the guerrilla war drags on for a month + Well, in general, it’s clear where it’s going.

[Jager]

If you count together with everyone - the LDNR, the Armed Forces and law enforcement agencies, it will probably come out that way, maybe a little less.

[vitvit123]

Clear you are ours .. some talents from the other side ..

[Shahno]

Well, well.... I'm on the wrong side. Today I will have to send money to my parents so that they can live in Russia on their pension ... to be honest, I’m not sure of anything.
And whose duty is it to ensure a dignified old age for citizens, huh?
Or do you only care about the inhabitants of Donbass ...

[vitvit123]

I have three pensioners - proletarians live freely without my help! Send silently, tk. It has always been that everyone has different prosperity, and now you are presenting it in a negative context!
Moreover, why don’t you send a lot of money, but they are immediately millionaires here! You are good! And you do not need to worry about Russia, you are our compassionate!

[Flooding]

Quote: Shahno

Well, basically, it's the same as always. 5000 according to the Ukrainian version, 500 according to the RF Ministry of Defense.

and how often does the MO underestimate losses?
you wrote "as always"

[Shahno]

Uh, I didn’t seem to be talking about underestimating losses from the RF Ministry of Defense. There is also the Russian Guard, PMCs, just not confirmed.
Yes, and from the experience of previous wars, real losses are underestimated ...

[Flooding]

Quote: Shahno

Uh, I didn’t seem to be talking about underestimating losses from the RF Ministry of Defense. There is also the Russian Guard, PMCs, just not confirmed.

didn't talk here?

Quote: Shahno

Well, basically, it's the same as always. 5000 according to the Ukrainian version, 500 according to the RF Ministry of Defense. The real losses lie somewhere in between..

Or has it not been said elsewhere?

[Shahno]

Okay. Maybe he didn’t put it that way .... Official is a hard minimum that will only grow in the conditions of hostilities. Is there any data on the losses of the DPR and LPR groups? Do they belong to the structure of the RF Ministry of Defense?

[Flooding]

Quote: Shahno

Is there any data on the losses of the DPR and LPR groups? Do they belong to the structure of the RF Ministry of Defense?

weird question
Is the LPR and DPR part of Russia?

[Shahno]

Well, so what am I talking about ... And what do you think, on the Ukrainian side, they distinguish between belonging to structures ... That's where the number 5000 comes from.

[Flooding]

Quote: Shahno

And what do you think, from the Ukrainian side, they distinguish between belonging to structures ... From there, the number 5000.

the Ukrainian side was caught in a lie so many times that it makes no sense to seriously discuss the number announced by it

[Paranoid50]

Quote from Vista401

Some of the bodies are still just not picked up. Some are not identified. Many bodies on the Ukrainian side

Well, here is the first body of candidates for a new article. Ready to prove it, fresh with a smell?

[Vista401]

Did I write wrong? Open the Internet and see, or can you only squeal URA from fear on military review?

[Dart2027]

Quote from Vista401

And recently they announced an allegedly whole air defense regiment that surrendered !!!.

Surrendered release under a subscription about non-participation in the further DB.

[Alexander Salenko]

There are really few prisoners

[T.A.V.]

Rest in peace to you, warriors! With your lives you pave the way for the destruction of this brown reptile! Strength and patience to relatives and friends!

[VLAD-96]

Quote: 2я19

Your mother, comrade generals! 500 people in a week of fighting! What are you preparing for, fools?

This is such a military operation and there they wet each other for good reason! Without losses, it is not possible to carry out a ground operation (until a worthy replacement for people has been invented).

[Piramidon]

Quote: VLAD-96

Quote: 2я19

Your mother, comrade generals! 500 people in a week of fighting! What are you preparing for, fools?

This is such a military operation and there they wet each other for good reason! Without losses, it is not possible to carry out a ground operation (until a worthy replacement for people has been invented).

Of course, if they acted like the Yankees in Korea, Vietnam, Yugoslavia, Iraq, demolishing all settlements with carpet bombing to the foundation, there would be much less losses. But we have other goals. Humanity is costly.

[poquello]

Quote: Piramidon

Of course, if they acted like the Yankees in Korea

"According to the most conservative estimates, American troops lost about 54 thousand soldiers and officers in Korea"

[zloybond]

Today, the ala expert Sivkov on Radio Solovyov, in response to the question of losses, said that it was just some kind of sanitary losses there. It would be better to be silent. The soldiers and officers heroically, with honor, fulfilled their duty, and this comrade with shit mixed the heroic death of an airborne officer who blew himself up in battle with sanitary losses. Just a man turned in his eyes. The people of the Army and Navy are proud and will be proud. The main thing is not to confuse it with misleading. It just looked like a Ukrainian fake gun. Governors officially express their condolences to family families. Kadyrov, Kondratiev, Bryansky, Saratov... But then some kind of "expert" mixed the feat with a fake. It was so embarrassing to listen to. Excuse me for this - but it's just ... I can't even find words. Those who wish can watch it on YouTube. Theme "American intelligence center taken....
Heroes eternal memory!

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: zloybond

Today, the ala expert Sivkov on Radio Solovyov, in response to the question of losses, said that it was just some kind of sanitary losses there. It would be better to be silent.

Here is a video (about sanitary losses from 5:38):

Something I didn’t notice that he mixed someone up there ... He’s not the right person ...

[zloybond]

Start with 5 minutes, about the question of losses ..... well, these are sanitary losses. a truck ran over, something fell on it, got sick, etc. ..... And now compare what he said and what the MO voiced. This is not an expert, this is already a fake.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: zloybond

Start with 5 minutes, about the question of losses.

And what made you angry? There is no mockery there ... No need to stain a person with dirt ...

[zloybond]

Are you proving that almost 500 people were hit by a truck, something fell there, fell ill and died.... ???? it was said directly - there are small sanitary losses. The question has been asked. If you can't answer, shut up. Say I don’t have information, I’m not authorized, it’s classified .... but it’s not about sanitary losses, that’s for sure.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: zloybond

Are you proving that a truck ran over almost 500 people, something fell there, he got sick and died ....

And who told you that he was talking about combat losses? It is quite possible that at the time of the shooting he had other information ... I'm telling you seriously - stop raising a squabble on people's grief and blaming seemingly uninvolved people ...

[Jager]

Listen, they also have certain "settings" of what can be said and what is better to get around with general phrases until otherwise is allowed, and even more so such a complex issue as losses.

[Cjiobo]

Sanitary losses 0.1%. Is it 500 people, one tenth of a percent? Do we have a 500k group there?

[alexey sidykin]

Quote: CJIOBO

Sanitary losses 0.1%. Is it 500 people, one tenth of a percent? Do we have a 500k group there?

Do you already count the wounded?

[Stepan S]

But then some kind of "expert" mixed the feat with a fake.

I also listened to this "expert", it was disgusting to hear when the losses were already known to everyone. And this one flooded like a nightingale, fu .., I even left a comment for them. These are the experts, former captains of the 1st rank.

[Angestyr]

Eternal memory to the heroes

And a speedy recovery to the wounded

[Vista401]

Well, who needs such a bloody operation? NATO, after all, on the rimer of Serbia showed how it is necessary to put the stubborn on their knees.
Just destroy the economic infrastructure.

[MrFox]

this infrastructure is being destroyed. And the West is destroying ours.

In general, everything is in business

[carstorm 11]

Do better ep. Perform an operation of this level with less loss. Can you? Then sit silently. This is reality. Should they kill the economy? Maybe even crush hail at home?

[Paranoid50]

Quote: carstorm 11

Maybe even crush hail at home?

Dmitry, do not dream, she-bo, past the cash register - this is a gallant fresh reg-provocateur. Tomorrow it will be gone.

[carstorm 11]

Yes, they are already angry. I would like to discuss with those who at least understand something, but how it will run ...

[Paranoid50]

Quote from Vista401

how to bring the stubborn to their knees.

So, everything is clear - a provocateur, although not far off. This can be taken down.

[alexey sidykin]

Quote: Paranoid50

Quote from Vista401

how to bring the stubborn to their knees.

So, everything is clear - a provocateur, although not far off. This can be taken down.

and it’s not him alone here there’s such a thing to a fig and more, there are no direct printed words

[Jager]

Do you propose breaking up dams, power plants, factories, transport hubs? This is some kind of genocide. And we are not barbarians. And the goals of the operation are completely different.
It was THEY who blocked the water for THEIR SAME in the Crimea.

[Alexander Salenko]

Water, this is bad for the north of Crimea, for example, in Simferopol we also experienced problems with water, but the reason was not in the canal, but in the drought. But when the light was cut, Simferopol survived nothing, and so there was a complete ambush People cooked food on fires in winter.

[Cotton Colorado]

Recovery to the wounded, rest in peace and eternal memory to the dead!

[Retvizan 8]

Everlasting memory!
God rest their souls.
Condolences to family and friends.
Our wars died for the sake of the future of our Russia!

[kirosi]

Ukrainians must answer in full for the blood of our guys.

[t-12]

Ukrainian troops lost 2870 people killed
more than 570 Ukrainian soldiers were taken prisoner by Russian troops.

This means that the Ukrainians are not particularly surrendering to captivity.

[faiver]

8 years have not been in vain, Strelkov is right - in 2014 you had to go

[Vasily Krylov]

There was no one to enter. As in Chechnya, in Ossetia at the initial stage, as in Syria, remember the military airfield, with the equipment lined up along the line, the so-called caponiers there - now. "We thought it was better, but it turned out as always." This message tears the soul. 500 families visited grief. There are so few of us. And such a mediocre leadership. , for unjustified losses, physical punishment, like the Cossacks. Eternal glory, and eternal memory to the best men of Russia. Sincerely, Krylov.

[Alexander Salenko]

Were not prepared economically

[Vadim237]

Or rather, they do not give up at all looking at such ridiculous numbers.

[Prosha]

Quote: t-12

So the Ukrainians don’t really surrender

Didn't you grow up in the same country? The mentality is the same, and the propaganda is not the worst, it’s the stubborn ones who fight with the women, and the normal boys fight normally, their landmarks are shot down, and the characters are the same as ours.

[ALARI]

100 people a day, 100 families without fathers and sons, 20% of the wounded are disabled - the results of the week of the war and the end is not yet in sight.

[Bad Pig (Ham)]

tell Bandera about families without fathers and children ... about THEIR families
how many they have already killed and how many people would have been killed if they were given free rein ...
the abscess matured and had to be cut alive

[ALARI]

I tell Russians about Russians, about Bandera, and for Bandera, enlighten them yourself.
- the abscess matured and had to be cut on the living - only the doctor immediately cut off his finger.

[Bad Pig (Ham)]

no, not a finger ... the doctor himself removes the appendix, which threatens to kill the whole body with peritonitis ...
history is written with iron and blood, and right now the history of the new great Russia is being written
watch banderlog ... see how a new EMPIRE is born ...
you could be a part of it but you chose bander fascists and lgbt...
well, as always, we will not stand behind the price

[ALARI]

Maybe enough slogans already? We don't have enough people to make it all come true. People do not need an EMPIRE, they just want to live and be happy.

[Bad Pig (Ham)]

these are not slogans - this is an objective reality ... you are scribbling manuals about "just live and enjoy"
why in Donetsk and Luhansk for 8 years they did not let people just live and be happy?
answer banderlog

[ALARI]

And it’s YOU who don’t ask me such questions and not to those who no longer answer, but to those who at 14 gave hope, and then took it away and only now remembered.

[Bad Pig (Ham)]

how to understand the phrase

gave hope, and then took it away and only now remembered.

did you give or take away? and maybe all the same, the hopes of people have finally come true?
you forget that since the age of 14 they have been trying to negotiate and resolve the issue without bloodshed...minsk1...minsk2...why are you silent about this banderlog? you banderlog wanted to kill Russians, you wanted to drive them into concentration camps ... you wanted war ... you got it
No wonder you have a rat in your avatar...

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Bad Pig (Ham)

you forget that from the age of 14 they tried to negotiate and resolve the issue without bloodshed ... minsk1 ... minsk2 ..

And there would be no blood if the LDNR were immediately taken into Russia, like Crimea, and would not be engaged in stupid agreements with Bandera.

[Bad Pig (Ham)]

And there would be no blood

wouldn't it be? Well, well ... but forget about the rest? forget about Odessa, Kharkov and others?
according to your logic, then it was necessary to immediately take the lions, and this is the same war as now ... but then they were not ready for it
hoped that there would be adequate people, and insane fascists came to power
wars begin when diplomatic methods have already been exhausted

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Bad Pig (Ham)

wouldn't it be? Oh well..

What, well, well? The same Crimea began to bomb?
As for Odessa and Kharkov, let them hold referendums on independence there as well.

Quote: Bad Pig (Ham)

according to your logic, then it was necessary to immediately take the lions

Fuck it is not needed, this Lviv.

Quote: Bad Pig (Ham)

then they were not ready for it

Yeah, they ran to Assad, run in the Aerospace Forces, destroy the barmaley on the distant approaches. Yes, so briskly that they actually destroyed the "Admiral Kuznetsov". Why wasn’t he prepared for the current operation?

Quote: Bad Pig (Ham)

hoped that there would be adequate people, and insane fascists came to power

I don’t know who was hoping there, it was quite clear how anti-Russian sentiments were growing there. Russia's peace policy in Ukraine failed long ago.

[Bad Pig (Ham)]

"As for Odessa and Kharkov, let them hold referendums on independence there too"
and you're funny...remind what they did in Odessa with those who wanted a referendum?
I collected everything and Assad and Kuznetsov ...
adieu!

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Bad Pig (Ham)

adieu!

Walk past john, smoked haunch.

[ALARI]

Well, I see you call yourself a white swan. Or maybe you associate yourself with a murderer and a robber, and Ham is John Silver. All of you have uryakolok banderlogs, if you have brains.

[alexey sidykin]

Quote: ALARI

Maybe enough slogans already? We don't have enough people to make it all come true. People do not need an EMPIRE, they just want to live and be happy.

your avatar suits you very well.

[Jager]

Empire? Are you seriously? The empire needs an economic breakthrough in the first place... and we have a gas pipeline.

[Bad Pig (Ham)]

and we have gas in our apartment - what about you?
Explain to me please what does "economic breakthrough" mean?

[Jager]

The economic breakthrough is the restoration of our own industry.
Foreign automakers declared a boycott and then it turned out that we don’t have our own factories. Screwdriver assembly is not a factory. VAZ, by the way, sold Renault.
In railway transport, ALL high-speed rolling stock is imported, Italian / German. Siemens has almost a monopoly in this area. And most of the modern domestic electric locomotives are also imported. In addition, many diesel locomotives with American GE diesels.
I work in this area.
With civil aviation in general a disaster.
The machine tool industry is barely alive. In fact, we can’t really offer anything other than resources.
Continue?

[Bad Pig (Ham)]

that is, we have only a "screwdriver assembly" from the railway transport?)))

high speed rolling stock

is that a peregrine falcon? and that's it?

And most of the modern domestic electric locomotives are also imported

link to the studio!

[Demon_is_ada]

An empire does not need an economic breakthrough, an empire needs to bend its vassals, that is, force them to work for themselves for food. Russia has never been an empire in the true sense, neither under the tsars, nor under the USSR, the mentality is not the same

[Bad Pig (Ham)]

sufferers for the people always carefully keep silent about the genocide of this very people on a national basis by all Bandera rabble with the consent and with the full support of the West ...
but on the other hand, they blur people's eyes with "poverty", "economic jerks", "just live and enjoy" ...

[Alexander Salenko]

Above, the polar fox as you answered, tell his son, who was in 2014 and is now fighting about this.

[mortido]

Why have not lessons been learned from Chechen companies and operations in Syria. How the operation was prepared in general and the personnel is not clear. At times, many actions are chaotic and situational, and this applies both to actions on the ground and to general management. What a high price we have to pay for the mistakes of Gorbachev and Yeltsin, burn them in hell forever ...
Condolences to family and friends, very bitter and sorry for those who will not return!

[donavi49]

So far there are 2 main problems:
1) They thought that they would be greeted with flowers, the Armed Forces of Ukraine would capitulate, crush the Natsiks and that’s it. In fact, in every video they cover with mats. In Energodar, where the OHL (the former Regions of Yanukovych) scored under 60% - they are building barricades, there is already a video of how the soldiers had to shoot at the crowd.

2) Supply and is drawn from 1. The main goal is the pace for 1-2 days, and then victory. We will collect the thrown. In fact, in the same Sumy region, about fifty trucks were packed, and this is the border zone of the 40 km zone. As a result, the Defense Ministry was forced to reorganize and now form convoys with reinforced platoon-company guards on armored vehicles.

Well, there is another 3 reason - Modern warfare. Bucha - in the morning the paratroopers were burned by numerous cameras. The result was a topographic location and they were worked out right on the street. In the current conditions, when there is a camera phone on every corner, there is no way to deploy normally according to the standard, you need to act quickly and proactively, otherwise it will fly.

[albert]

Now, everywhere in Ukraine, our Internet towers have been destroyed. But this should have been done earlier.

[El Chuvachino]

I don't understand why it's so late either.

[Piramidon]

Quote: El Chuvachino

I don't understand why it's so late either.

It seems that even on the first day they said that electronic warfare equipment was blocking mobile communications.

[Prometey]

Because in our General Staff there are still stupid people who think about the war of the 70s. Depriving the opposing side of all types of communications is already 30% of the success of the war. And they did not even make an attempt to interrupt the broadcast. Well, keep up the good work. Raise the morale of the enemy.

[Ural resident]

Quote: Prometey

Because in our General Staff there are still stupid people who think about the war of the 70s. Depriving the opposing side of all types of communications is already 30% of the success of the war. And they did not even make an attempt to interrupt the broadcast. Well, keep up the good work. Raise the morale of the enemy.

And guides. For some reason, the headquarters were destroyed only on the 4th day. Before that, there was a centralized leadership, and obviously from the Pentagon, given the data of American intelligence, it can be assumed that everything was in full view, only the coordinates were given out.

[Prometey]

I accidentally downvoted you. Everything you write is correct.

[Vadim237]

Those who cooked up this operation really had absolutely no skills and knowledge of warfare either in Afghanistan, or in Chechnya, or in 2008 in Georgia and even Syria.

[Tavrik]

In addition to towers, there are also data centers connected by fiber optic cables. If earlier they seized the telephone / telegraph, now control over data centers is needed. Or their destruction.

[ALARI]

Crimea 2 did not pass, why couldn’t sociological research be carried out on the question of how the troops would be met? Fictional reality crashed against reality.

[Wildcat]

From the first follows a hollow failure of planning. Incorrect initial data, respectively, incorrect calculation of forces. Probably, there was dizziness "from the successes in Kazakhstan", they proceeded "by analogy" from the sufficiency of the fact that troops were being sent to change the situation in our direction.
If the plan was “we take beautifully Gostomel, then Zelensky, then we change power through the Opposition Platform for Life,” then it obviously did not work. There is no back up plan. And it would be nice if the social the networks are really being monitored so that the planners are asked "what are we doing right now" questions.
Because time works for the enemy, you can not lose the initiative.

From the first "stretched" the second. "To form convoys with reinforced platoon-company guards on armored vehicles" is correct and timely, but even at the VO it was discussed "how to supply the troops" and the alternative of the railway - "from wheels" - is small, expensive and losses (according to the obvious for VO readers reasons).

There is a third reason: we simply have few troops for the operation against Ukraine IMHO. Example - 2 Chechen war according to Wiki - 80 thousand troops. According to the media (maximum), the group of troops in Ukraine is 120 thousand. That's just Chechnya with an area of ​​​​16 km and a population of more than 171 million (fresh data, probably in 1,5 - 2000 it was less). And Ukraine has a population of 2009 million and an area of ​​​​42 km². That is, it is necessary to fight on an area 28 times larger with a population 36 times larger with the help of troops, which are only 1,5 times larger.

The argument "modern war" is not even considered yet, because it has not yet been, IMHO. 24. 02. The Armed Forces of Ukraine "got knocked down", but, I'm afraid, they are recovering and the modern war will begin in the next two weeks.

Conclusions, dear soforumchane, draw your own.

[ViacheslavS]

There is a third reason: we simply have few troops for the operation against Ukraine IMHO.

Example - 2 Chechen war according to Wiki - 80 thousand troops. According to the media (maximum), the group of troops in Ukraine is 120 thousand. That's just Chechnya with an area of ​​​​16 km and a population of more than 171 million (fresh data, probably in 1,5 - 2000 it was less). And Ukraine has a population of 2009 million and an area of ​​​​42 km². That is, it is necessary to fight on an area 576 times larger with a population 640 times larger with the help of troops, which are only 28 times larger.

I was "mercilessly" downvoted here when I wondered why such a small number of troops had to start this operation.

[Wildcat]

Military luck is changeable.
In Kazakhstan, they coped without shooting and in smaller numbers. Although the situation was more difficult.
Well, the plan was ... not really now.

[Alexander Salenko]

Sorry for being too optimistic. what to recover from? The most combat-ready grouping of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is most likely burrowing in Kramatorsk, they don’t even try to break through, but it’s a pity that it’s easier to iron in the field .. The Dnieper simply will not allow it to come to the rescue. It's already a disaster. They simply won’t have time to form new formations, and there are no queues at the military registration and enlistment offices.

[Jager]

The question is, why did you have to climb a column onto a city street? Terrible did not teach anything?

[Wildcat]

Yes, they were preparing, the plan just didn't work IMHO.
The initial data should have looked even better: Ukraine is a fraternal people, while fundamentalists were expected in Kazakhstan. And there were almost no shootings.
Although the differences, IMHO, were visible to the naked eye. There was a large group in power in Kazakhstan, which we supported, and then they themselves worked. Here, the "group" was even officially insignificant, with the leader under house arrest.

The question is how to get out of this. IMHO, it should be faster. 498 in 7 days - we can't afford that for a long time. Perhaps for a decisive victory (all capital letters) a cash column to Ukraine is needed, and in it is a "group of planners". Well, Solovyov and Co. will learn new songs.

[Vadim237]

Everything is just about this and says that nichrome was not prepared.

[Piramidon]

Quote: V is for B

And to pat the accomplices from among the civilians on the head?

And how to separate accomplices from non-accomplices if they live in the same house in neighboring apartments? In your opinion, you still need to wet everyone indiscriminately.

[Victor Leningradets]

Or they us.
Great with Scorpions: May be you, may be I...

[dnestr74]

Eternal memory to our guys!

[Alex Nevs]

The skew of the scales will now begin to increase very strongly. Techn. provide ends .... well, etc. The second side does not get worse

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Alex Nevs

Techn. provide ends .... well, etc.

Does the dolboyascher-uh have a second account? Or just dolboyascher, without -uh? You will agree among yourself there, or something, so that everyone does not throw the same thing at once, yeah. And that too about it turns out.

[Alex Nevs]

Sorry. You misunderstand me. There is a lot of trolling here. And about the security, I'm not mistaken. AS? can you throw help into the boilers? How? Here's an analysis of what you've read.

[Nastia makarova]

there will be enough equipment for many years, plus a new one is riveted

[olhon]

Damn, I thought less. Rest in peace.

[barclay]

Yes, the numbers are shocking, to be honest. Very sorry guys! The pace of progress is not very high. But apparently the existing caution does not protect against losses. Yes, the people are catastrophically brainwashed. You watch videos in the cart - the locals have mats on mats. And what is characteristic, many people voice the exact location of the shooting aloud. I heard that the leadership of the ukrovermacht urged the population to do just that to help their leadership via the Internet. That's how it works out. It seems that for many this is not a liberation at all. They must have been happy with everything in life...
And we need more high-tech weapons that hit from a safe distance. Here, air defense and aviation were suppressed, but where are our analogues of the Altius bayactors, barrage of ammunition? There is a lot of work for them.

[GREG68]

It looks like only on the Star, in the Military acceptance, unfortunately.

[Sasha1979]

Rest in peace. Quite a lot, 500 people per week. Apparently, the resistance is quite stubborn. The enemy must be asked for each of the 500. In any case, the availability of objective data allows us to better understand the nature of events.

[Ural resident]

Quote: Sasha1979

Rest in peace. Quite a lot, 500 people per week. Apparently, the resistance is quite stubborn. The enemy must be asked for each of the 500. In any case, the availability of objective data allows us to better understand the nature of events.

in direct combat, the losses are just relatively low. Mostly under artillery fire and hail on the marches.

[Sasha1979]

Separation by means (factors) of damage is certainly important information. But the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation did not give it, so I analyze a single figure - 498 people.

[Dmitry Potapov]

I'm shocked! Well, a lot! It seems that the VKS transporter was shot down!

[Cjiobo]

Everlasting memory!
Plenty for a prepared operation. So we were still waiting. And of course civilians, I think this is the main reason for the big losses.
And the second echelon without cover.
Next guys please be careful, there they are stoned on the board

[Garris199]

So we were still waiting

APU think did not consider this scenario?

[Dynamo]

And this is still the official number. And how much really?

[GREG68]

I think twice as much .... But given the size of the territory and the tasks set, there’s probably no other way

[Prometey]

Yes, it does look real.

[Bad Pig (Ham)]

given the scope of hostilities and the range of weapons and ammunition used, as well as the highly urbanized area of ​​​​combat operations with dense urban and industrial development, the losses are small ...
it is not yet known how many of them fell in battle ...
eternal glory to the heroes

[mortido]

Quote: donavi49

So far there are 2 main problems:
1) They thought that they would be greeted with flowers, the Armed Forces of Ukraine would capitulate, crush the Natsiks and that’s it. In fact, in every video they cover with mats. In Energodar, where the OHL (the former Regions of Yanukovych) scored under 60% - they are building barricades, there is already a video of how the soldiers had to shoot at the crowd.

2) Supply and is drawn from 1. The main goal is the pace for 1-2 days, and then victory. We will collect the thrown. In fact, in the same Sumy region, about fifty trucks were packed, and this is the border zone of the 40 km zone. As a result, the Defense Ministry was forced to reorganize and now form convoys with reinforced platoon-company guards on armored vehicles.

Well, there is another 3 reason - Modern warfare. Bucha - in the morning the paratroopers were burned by numerous cameras. The result was a topographic location and they were worked out right on the street. In the current conditions, when there is a camera phone on every corner, there is no way to deploy normally according to the standard, you need to act quickly and proactively, otherwise it will fly.

Why, before the hostilities in the area of ​​operation, they do not cut off the light and the Internet (communication centers), where the electronic warfare jammers ... These are the basics of any hostilities, there are no words ...

[Ural resident]

Quote: mortido

Quote: donavi49

So far there are 2 main problems:
1) They thought that they would be greeted with flowers, the Armed Forces of Ukraine would capitulate, crush the Natsiks and that’s it. In fact, in every video they cover with mats. In Energodar, where the OHL (the former Regions of Yanukovych) scored under 60% - they are building barricades, there is already a video of how the soldiers had to shoot at the crowd.

2) Supply and is drawn from 1. The main goal is the pace for 1-2 days, and then victory. We will collect the thrown. In fact, in the same Sumy region, about fifty trucks were packed, and this is the border zone of the 40 km zone. As a result, the Defense Ministry was forced to reorganize and now form convoys with reinforced platoon-company guards on armored vehicles.

Well, there is another 3 reason - Modern warfare. Bucha - in the morning the paratroopers were burned by numerous cameras. The result was a topographic location and they were worked out right on the street. In the current conditions, when there is a camera phone on every corner, there is no way to deploy normally according to the standard, you need to act quickly and proactively, otherwise it will fly.

Why, before the hostilities in the area of ​​operation, they do not cut off the light and the Internet (communication centers), where the electronic warfare jammers ... These are the basics of any hostilities, there are no words ...

Yes. It's strange like that. The Americans immediately cut down all communication centers, command and bases.

[Vista401]

Well. Losses are very big. And not a single city was taken. I wrote that a competent defense of the giant cities of Kyiv, Odessa, Kharkov, etc. will grind the entire group. Tasks are not completed at all. And the stories from Konashenkov about exploits are out of place.

[dnestr74]

Troll, Kherson, Melitopol are not cities? Mods, delete this din but

[donavi49]

Kherson took the area of ​​the bridge (this is not quite a city, but Antonovka), as well as the railway station and the industrial complex. The city itself is still under the zhovtoblakit, and the mer streams promising not to surrender the city, above the city hall is zhovtoblakit.

The south turned out to be abandoned in general, because in an open flat area to take a suicide battle for the Armed Forces of Ukraine and they understood this very well.

The main centers of defense are Kyiv, Kharkov, Odessa, Dnipro and Zaporozhye + Mariupol as a fortress with the task of holding out as long as possible. The rest is closed either by light forces, or in general by the Volkssturm therodefense.

[Victor Leningradets]

Festung tactics - a parade of the doomed. Without maneuver and serious warehouses - you can’t sit out much, but with fire - they homogenize with the ruins. 1945 proved this.

[donavi49]

Why is quite logical. Giving fights in an open field is death. The defense of large cities is:
1) Pretty impressive losses.
2) Serious losses and destruction among the civilians, that is, a tearful picture in the media.
3) A serious outfit of forces and ammunition. And this means holding down the offensive in other areas, the opportunity to set fire to the supply columns in the rear.
4) Time delay. Let's imagine - it's April, and the operation is going on, in the courtyard there is a victory parade on May 9, and the operation is going on and official losses are in the thousands. Here the cumulative effect is new packages of sanctions, spending on war (and this is expensive), society's fatigue (as it was especially the first with Chechnya).

Zelensky's strategy is extremely simple - to hold out as long as possible and give as many whiny pictures to the west as possible.

[alexey sidykin]

Quote: donavi49

Kherson took the area of ​​the bridge (this is not quite a city, but Antonovka), as well as the railway station and the industrial complex. The city itself is still under the zhovtoblakit, and the mer streams promising not to surrender the city, above the city hall is zhovtoblakit.

The south turned out to be abandoned in general, because in an open flat area to take a suicide battle for the Armed Forces of Ukraine and they understood this very well.

The main centers of defense are Kyiv, Kharkov, Odessa, Dnipro and Zaporozhye + Mariupol as a fortress with the task of holding out as long as possible. The rest is closed either by light forces, or in general by the Volkssturm therodefense.

Stop whistling, Kherson is under our control. And the cities are blocked.

[Nastia makarova]

dozens of cities were captured and surrounded, but the fact that the defense is shooting there does not mean that the city has not been taken

[Piramidon]

According to the new law, five years have passed.

[Volzhanin64]

Eternal memory to heroes!
God rest their souls.
Thank you parents for raising such heroes
Condolences to family and friends.
Let the earth rest in peace.
God bless all our children
Generals and officers, take care of our soldiers.
Since we dominate the air, iron them with attack aircraft, as in Syria, destroy all warehouses with ammunition and ammunition, food, if the situation allows

[Vasily Krylov]

Eternal memory to the guys. And I reproached the commanders with big stars, 80 years have passed, and no conclusions have been drawn. I don’t know the nuances, but it seems like under Prokhorovka, Rotmistrov and Khrushchev, without additional intelligence, killed the 5th Guards Tank. to the husbands of Russia. With respect. Krylov.

[opuonmed]

the kingdom of heaven to the lost! I don’t understand why until now the connection in Ukraine is working all and the Internet !! and by the way, I thought more that the VSU died during the grouping of 130k, although it may not have been turned off to dump where the ambushes are, where the hailstones, etc., but in this way they burned their own

[sabakina]

What can I say? It's a pity. And offer my condolences to family and friends. But, in war as in war. Even the cinematic hero Sergeant Domeshek died. I think the guys knew where and what they were going for. This is not a French film, The Big Walk.

[dnestr74]

They knew who did not want to, they wrote a report and they were not taken, this information is from the army. It was the same in the second Chechen one.

[ViacheslavS]

There is no war, there is some special. operation.

[Poetry]

They fell for you and me. Everlasting memory.
For the miscalculation of politicians, the boys gave their lives.
More expensive than this, in this world there is no price ...

[senima56]

Eternal glory to the fallen soldiers of Russia!

[Saboteur_Navy]

❗️ The tank crew under the command of the commander of the tank company, Senior Lieutenant Starostin, repelling an attack with significantly superior enemy forces, destroyed 8 armored vehicles (BTR-80) and more than 100 nationalists, preventing them from breaking through to the crossing.

During the battle, a Russian tank was attacked by an American Javelin ATGM. The crew received a shell shock, but did not leave the battle. After making sure that the equipment was in good condition, 2 more enemy tanks were destroyed by well-aimed fire.
/Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation/
#ukraina

@new_militarycolumnist

[www.werw336]

Just don't fuck, death to the Nazis, Victory will be ours! alarmists under the tribunal.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Evil is missing. As if he returned to the first Chechen again. Then, too, we were forced to delicately fight. And there is only one rule of war: the more you feel sorry for the opposing side, the more you put down your soldiers. Moreover, yes, not everyone, but a significant part of the population is completely brainwashed. Therefore, they will perceive any concession as a weakness and write it down in their "peremogs". And words to reach their brains is an empty thing. There it is necessary to beat so that at first the bone cracks slightly, only then can something come through.
And don’t look back, we won’t be good going for concessions. Here is the reverse case.

[Saboteur_Navy]

❗️The crew of one of the Russian tanks under the command of senior sergeant Nimchenko, being at the forefront, destroyed 40 armored vehicles (9 tanks and 6 BTR-3), as well as more than 80 nationalists, with well-aimed fire within 90 minutes.
/Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation/
#ukraina

@new_militarycolumnist

[donavi49]

Estimated up to 300 prisoners, including officers. Today, in general, in Nikolaev there were 13 people in captivity, including 2 wounded.

[Dr.LeaveSee]

you can add here https://twitter.com/Ukroblogger/status/1499082318308429829

[Wildcat]

Yetite power... Looked at this twitter... What's going on?

[Nastia makarova]

and what's in there? tell me in two words?

[Mordvin 3]

Photo next to the monument ... No words.

[Evgeny Seleznev]

I look forward to tomorrow, the results of negotiations.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Quote: donavi49

For example, the villagers take out Tor-M2 for themselves.

These two tractors are quite a legitimate target for combat helicopters.

[Vadim237]

"In addition, more than 570 Ukrainian soldiers were taken prisoner by Russian troops." And these are all the APU officers who were taken prisoner in 6 days on such a huge front of hostilities - this is a complete kabzet.

[Nastia makarova]

took 5 times more but were allowed to go home

[Oleg Barchev]

While hostilities are going on, there is no need to look for the guilty, it is necessary to draw the right conclusions from what is happening on the battlefield, and we need the support of our guys who are now at the forefront. But when a military victory is achieved, it is important that politicians do not give it into the hands of the enemy. And it is very important to make an analysis of the correctness of the planning of the operation, because it is precisely the mistakes made in planning that lead to large losses in the troops.

[Mapping]

In my opinion, the losses are too great. Where is the UAV, where is intelligence, where is aviation and artillery? ETERNAL MEMORY AND GLORY to the dead!!

[Artem76]

Eternal memory to the dead and low bow. Condolences to their family and friends. The Russians need to unite, and not forget to help those who lost their father, husband, son in this war ... And the geeks in human form should be publicly judged for the whole world to see, and then hanged (having lifted the moratorium on the death penalty).

[Sir Galant]

hmm... load 200. eternal memory

[steelmaker]

I understand that there is war, and others understand it. And in war there are no losses. And the enemy used Russia’s silence to his advantage. Very convincing. Even Switzerland has left its neutral status. These are big losses. This means Strelkov was right that the columns on the march were without air escort. You can’t fight like that with air supremacy!

[carstorm 11]

What kind of air escort do you want to provide for the detaching battalions? They can only request support on the spot if they get there.

[Vadim237]

The same UAVs of the Bayraktar type - only our Armed Forces do not have them in service, unfortunately, but if they were in large numbers it would be possible to destroy all these positions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in cities and villages in dense buildings and not kill people from the personnel.

[gansales]

Quote: RED_ICE

A lot of losses in 5 days ((

But the scale of the operation is unprecedented in the new history of Russia...
This war is ideological, and not for resources, like the Anglo-Saxons.
Well done Zetas and especially the Donbass militias, they pinned down a large group of Nazis while ours blocked large cities and most importantly Kyiv!

[flint]

Military miscalculations are, of course, important, but the main miscalculation is, of course, the lack of people who greet us - with flowers and the stubbornness of the dry clothes. Is our intelligence really so bad that the company can’t get this information? Regularly checking Facebook, I hardly saw any of the outskirts who were ready to greet us with joy. Just hatred and the desire to fight to the end. I am sure that those who surrendered will return to fight again. So why this operation throughout Ukraine? It was necessary to raze the Ukrainian positions near Donetsk-Solntsepeki to the ground, remotely destroy all their equipment, warehouses and other infrastructure, restore the borders of the LDPR and respond as harshly as possible to possible attempts to counterattack. Of course, I don’t know the plans of our high command, but now since this has happened, in order to save the lives of many of our boys, we must respond as harshly as possible to the provocations and attacks of the civil defense forces and other Bandera clans, the games of friendship and brotherhood are over, Ukraine will no longer be returned, which means they need to be hit in such a way that 100 years from now the Banderlozhki and the rest of the Anglo-Saxon world will remember what happens when Russia comes to war.

[Pereira]

Tukhachevsky in Poland made a mistake on this same point - he was waiting for the uprising of the Polish proletariat.
Our generals taught history poorly.

[flint]

Yes, again we are with our “friendship of peoples”:((All this friendship in the current
No one in the world needs money, only money or power.

[faiver]

Rest in peace guys, eternal memory to you....

[Prometey]

In general, the panic of commentators about losses is surprising. Guys, did you seriously think that the Ukrainians would immediately run away? We went to war with one of the largest countries in Europe, which has relatively modern weapons and with a population that has been brainwashed with Russophobia for 10 years and which considers Russians and Russia their worst enemies. Yes, it was obvious from the very beginning that they would not run. This is not why NATO specialists trained them. And they were prepared very well.
Now Russia’s main trump card is its superiority in aviation and helicopters. There seems to be no superiority on earth in terms of training and motivation.
My personal short-sighted opinion.
The ground operation began very early, without proper preliminary air training of at least a week. They didn’t create an information blockade, or at least attempt one. They spared the enemy's manpower, thinking that they could get by with attacks on military infrastructure, thereby not undermining the enemy's morale. And it is undermined only by losses, cruelly, but that’s how it is.
They were not ready for tough actions, believing that they would come to an agreement with the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
It seems that it has begun to dawn on us that we need to hit them in full, at concentrations of manpower, even in urban areas. Will we be hated and cursed? It doesn’t matter anymore, they are already filled with Russophobia. Any attempts at looting and sabotage will be fatally suppressed - the example of Kherson - they killed the bastards, well done.
And yes, there is no need to have complexes about the occupiers and aggressors. This is Russian land and has belonged to the Russians since the 17th century. That’s why our army is liberating these lands, not seizing them. And the invaders must be beaten without pity.

[ViacheslavS]

In general, the panic of commentators about losses is surprising. Guys, did you seriously think that the Ukrainians would immediately run away? We went to war with one of the largest countries in Europe, which has relatively modern weapons and with a population that has been brainwashed with Russophobia for 10 years and which considers Russians and Russia their worst enemies. Yes, it was obvious from the very beginning that they would not run. This is not why NATO specialists trained them. And they were prepared very well.

Why then did you go out to fight, with such a small group, against a huge multimillion-dollar country, and with such a strong army?

[Victor Leningradets]

If you hit dense residential buildings correctly, then there will simply be no one to hate and curse. The Americans in Raqqa were right.

[Essex62]

Here you see, what a thing, a Soviet person, a Leningrader, if you confuse everyone with the earth, as the Pindos do, then they will start cursing here. In Moscow alone there are nearly half a million citizens of the Russian Federation with last names ending in ko. For example, a friend of mine, an officer of the USSR Armed Forces, has a very elderly mother, who is living out her life in Poltava. We are not Nazis to crush children, old men and women.
I don’t know how the operation takes place in real life, there is no information and there cannot be, the Internet is no help here, but the arguments of the comrades who believe that there are many shortcomings, such as communication means that have not been switched off, are obvious.
To the Russian soldiers who fell in battle with the brown plague, which again raised its head, eternal memory.

[MOSCOW-RULIT]

How can they cut off the connection if Elon Musk gave them Starlink satellites with Internet throughout the entire territory?

[Essex62]

Don't know. But there shouldn’t be a column on the march live, under cameras and mobile phones, in the hands of a brainwashed imbecile. They had to foresee this when starting the operation. This is her success and the life of our soldiers. The 21st century is here and we have been preparing for 8 years. Unless of course you were preparing?

[gansales]

Well, with such a scale of operation, this is normal (take into account accidents, accidents, etc.)
But information war causes more serious damage. But our cause is Right!
We'll figure it out later. The main thing is to take Kyiv..!
P.S. In the Donbass, over eight years of Nazi shelling and provocations, 12 thousand died (most civilians and children, including the UN, recognized) That is, every year the village was completely destroyed. Just imagine the scale (this is official)
How many died without a trace during Nazi punitive operations?
Damn them guys, there will be losses, but this is for a just cause. The book was recently released especially for the West with photographic documents, etc. Nobody wants to read it from these Anglo-Saxons, etc.
LET'S FINISH the matter to the end and the devil is not our brother..

[Dizel200]

The kingdom of heaven for the dead, recovery for the wounded, liberation for the captives. I think everyone knew the Defense Ministry very well and the intelligence service also worked well. This was the plan to do everything quickly, and I think the shortcomings will be taken into account and the culprits will be punished.

[Roman Efremov]

BIG LOSSES
I understand everything - the scale of the operation, etc. and so on. But 500 people in 1 week?...............

[AML]

Quote from Cartograph

In my opinion, the losses are too great. Where is the UAV, where is intelligence, where is aviation and artillery? ETERNAL MEMORY AND GLORY to the dead!!

You probably have little idea of ​​the scale. For an operation in which both sides are involved, about half a million, and even more so taking into account the fact that the population is being protected, the losses are modest. I think that is why the losses were announced. I'm not a cynic, I feel sorry for the guys, but there's no point in scolding them either.

For reference - DAILY, more than 200 people die from drug addiction in the Russian Federation.

[alexey sidykin]

Quote: AML

You probably have little idea of ​​the scale. For an operation in which both sides are involved

They all represent... apparently their job is to panic with us

[MrFYGY]

There are so many photos and videos of our dead, but there are almost no Ukrainian Armed Forces or National Battalions. In the RF Ministry of Defense, the propaganda department employs unsuitable people.

[gansales]

Quote: MrFYGY

There are so many photos and videos of our dead, but there are almost no Ukrainian Armed Forces or National Battalions. In the RF Ministry of Defense, the propaganda department employs unsuitable people.

You're lying... for... I know such people here

[MrFYGY]

CNN, Youtube and Telegram are littered with photos and videos of our dead, many are fakes, but unfortunately some are true. But from Ukrpa I saw only terrorist battalions from Kharkov and that’s all.
Of course, in such conditions, dill will stand to the last, considering itself invincible. They only understand blood.

[Ural resident]

Quote: MrFYGY

CNN, Youtube and Telegram are littered with photos and videos of our dead, many are fakes, but unfortunately some are true. But from Ukrpa I saw only terrorist battalions from Kharkov and that’s all.
Of course, in such conditions, dill will stand to the last, considering itself invincible. They only understand blood.

Well, our people don’t want to show the enemy’s corpses. Civilized. In this case, Azerbaijan’s operation in Karabakh is indicative. There were immediately a bunch of videos about successes, some prepared in advance, but still. They crushed the enemy with propaganda, breaking morale. The information war was prepared in advance at the same level as the real one.

[MrFYGY]

The information war is so “successful” that it cannot even be compared with Azerbaijan.

[Vovanych007]

Eternal memory to our soldiers... My heart is breaking. Honestly....

[gansales]

Again there are whiners here.. It’s a shame to read them, here are the losses, etc.
Any military operation, there are losses .. And such a large-scale and most importantly ideological operation, the guys just go to great lengths to destroy as many neo-Nazis as possible, they’ve already gotten so many civilian deaths in eight years of genocide..
And to ALL whiners, etc. sofa people need to listen to THIS sometimes!

And then whine...

[Roksolan]

gansales, I support again.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote from gansales

so many civilian deaths in eight years of genocide ..

Vitalya, you were the only one who started and warmed up your sofa in Kyiv for eight years. And our leadership in Minsk negotiated with them.

[Sergey39]

God is with us! They died for a just cause! Their memory is eternal!)))

[Sergey39]

Now it’s clear why they began to level them to the ground!)))

[Ural resident]

Quote: Sergey39

Now it’s clear why they began to level them to the ground!)))

So today there is a lull again, so are we ready for negotiations?

[alexey sidykin]

Eternal glory to those who died with the Nazi evil spirits!

[falx]

Eternal memory to the Heroes!

[Fisherman]

Eternal memory to Russian HEROES!!!!
And the figures for dill are incomplete...only the collected corpses and half-corpses of Nazis by our fighters are taken into account. The dill themselves were whining just yesterday that more than 8000 dill who supported Nazism died just counted.

[Ural resident]

Yes, there are clearly no losses of the Donbass group. They are still standing still, and all their losses are there.

[Nastia makarova]

They approached Mariupol, capturing the wave! How is there no progress?

[kirosi]

These Western ghouls called Ukraine ATGMs and grenade launchers. Now France2 showed how a group of ukrov stands, blocking the highway, such as "peaceful", then they are trying to use ATGMs in the direction of ours. At the same time, it is not clear where the ATGM flew, but the group scatters and a voice is heard that someone's head was blown off. Apparently by a jet stream, they all stood there together.
God, they themselves don’t understand what the Ukrainian crimes show, but the message is about brave resisters and Russian “aggressors”
In general, there is clearly not enough military police so that those who, like "peacefully protest", interfere with the advancement of technology, firstly, to establish an identity (there are clearly Nazi ringleaders there), and also to knit a criminal case, like saboteurs.

[Nastia makarova]

the war will be stopped only after the territory of Ukraine is cleared

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

EVERLASTING MEMORY

[Cartalon]

The Ministry of Defense doesn’t even know what an information war is; enthusiasts are trying to wage it, but they are powerless against professionals working for the enemy.

[Metlik]

New weapons such as UAVs, unmanned tanks, where are they? It is them we should lose, not the lives of our guys.
They made three pieces from imported parts, showed them at the parade - and that was the end of it. And so on for 20 years.

[HollyGremlin]

1. The ratio of dead to wounded is still poor: 1:3, 1:4. Need 1:10.
2. Again we regret iron and rockets
3. Again we feel sorry for the aborigines
I trust in reason and hope:
1. Let’s complete the operation
2. We will write down reparations in the final document
3. Let's draw conclusions

[svoit]

As I wrote earlier, everything converges on the fact that the plan was developed in 2014-2015, since important provisions corresponded very well to that time, but are not at all relevant now.
But inconsistency (not only dad loved to sit on many chairs at once) then did not allow it to be implemented; when the need arose, they did not redo it, although they could
On the 4th day, some omissions had already begun to be corrected, but what had been missed in 8 years was already extremely difficult to correct.
But what to do then?
It’s probably worth returning to the Novorossiya project and after the destruction of the Donbass group of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and the capture of Kharkov, it will concentrate on the southeast, and in the rest of the territory it will be limited to only demilitarization. But other options are also possible.

[Tomcat_Tomcat]

The Russian Ministry of Defense announced the losses of the Russian army during a military special operation on the territory of Ukraine

Blessed memory to you guys.

You have written your names in history forever.

Once again, Russian soldiers lay down their heads in the fight against Nazism...

[Nastia makarova]

Russian troops entered, but there was no clearing of terbats yet

[Zolotse]

Quote: MrFYGY

The information war is so “successful” that it cannot even be compared with Azerbaijan.

Now all of Europe is helping them in the information war; ours in the rear could help so that our information propaganda is also at the same level. On the front line there is not much time to do this. And this is very important in the modern world. After all, our allies also think that the Ukrainians will break ours, and that Russia is about to flee. We need help, but no one bets on a dead horse.

[logix1312]

Of course, I’m not a military man, and for such a large-scale operation, quite a lot was done in less than a week, but still there could have been fewer losses. Why do mobile communications really work in the zone of advance of our troops? Is it really difficult to suppress it? And why don’t our unmanned aerial vehicles and drones hover over combat zones around the clock, scanning the area? Not stamped enough?

[vs45]

I am sure that the number of dead is more than what we hear from official sources.... Many in the Nikolaev region say that the entire southern group of troops encircling Nikolaev from the north was destroyed in the steppes almost completely by Ukrainian Armed Forces aviation and multiple launch rocket systems!!! Why did they start all this...they made the Ukrainian people angry...we are shedding both Russian and Ukrainian blood..... And nothing will change in Ukraine..... We need to end all this, the question is different.... How?!

[Nastia makarova]

Stop spreading the hell!!! there is no aviation except for rare flights

[sleeve]

Then we will need Stella for about thirty or fifty meters. The inscription “loyalty to duty is honor to no one” and the dates of all this confusion.... Then in the corner you can write where it happened. Eternal memory to the soldiers, speedy health to the wounded, care for the living.

[Dilettante grandfather]

Eternal memory to the dead. We will remember everyone who laid down their heads for a just cause.

[svoit]

Quote: Prometey

Guys, did you seriously think that the Ukrainians would immediately run away?

This is not the problem, this is a consequence, but the reason is the complete lack of activity in Russia for 8 years
It was necessary to make sure that they surrendered willingly and en masse

[megadeth]

Eternal memory to the heroes who died for Russia!

[Illanatol]

Quote: alexmach

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Yeah .. when breaking through the prepared defense. Where did you see this in this war? except in the areas of advance of the DPR and LPR.

Are the DPR and LPR advancing on their own, or are they being helped by units of our army?
In addition, it must be taken into account that, unlike the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the Russian Army is forced to limit the use of heavy weapons in order to avoid collateral losses among the civilian population, which leads to an increase in losses of its own personnel.
It is not easy to fight when the enemy uses a human shield. So our losses, alas, will grow.

[Illanatol]

Quote: Vadim237

The same UAVs of the Bayraktar type - only our Armed Forces do not have them in service, unfortunately, but if they were in large numbers it would be possible to destroy all these positions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in cities and villages in dense buildings and not kill people from the personnel.

No. Imagine this situation: a UAV makes a precise strike on a loaded MLRS ("Grad", for example), located in a residential area. Ammunition detonates. What will happen to the neighborhood and its inhabitants?

[p0pulivox]

Quote: just EXPL

no words, and this army was going to fight with NATO.
damn it, we can’t provide ourselves with fuel, the very fuel of which in the country is up to the point ...
and everyone wonders why UAVs are not used about which all ears have been combed here, accurate weapons and the rest.
To say I'm disappointed is an understatement.
completely changed his mind about our army, and it's not my fault. it is the fault of those who carried out all this (praise to the fighters, shame on the rear and security)

Quote: Disant

The Ministry of Defense considers the quick occupation of frontiers and life of l / s more important than the safety of equipment, and this pleases.

How do you connect these two ends?
these are holes in planning, and they should not be covered by opposing the lives of soldiers against the safety of equipment.
in a couple of weeks, with such a position, you will have to fight already naked zho.pp.oy

Citizens/comrades/gentlemen! Sensible and competent people have warned the “public” about all this more than once. We have problems in everything, from strategic issues to the most basic... The harsh reality now speaks for itself: how unprecedented electronic warfare equipment the army is equipped with and how things stand with military air defense (by the way, many here ridiculed the Armenians and others for their crookedness) What about the UAV, how is the receipt of operational intelligence information and data exchange in units organized, how well is logistics support organized.

[Just a Man_3]

This is war, in battle not everything goes as it seems while sitting on the couch. Anyone who has been under heavy fire will understand. Battle has its own tactics and strategy, no one knows where it will fly and who will fall in a second. And all the tactics are built as the battle progresses, and all the sofa plans are from the world of fantasy.