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The Russian Defense Ministry called data on losses during a special operation in Ukraine

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The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation announced the losses of the Russian army during the military special operation on the territory of Ukraine since February 24. This kind of data was presented by Major General Igor Konashenkov.

According to the official representative of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, the total number of dead Russian servicemen was 498 people. Another 1597 received injuries of varying severity. It is not yet reported how many Russian military men ended up in the hands of the enemy.

According to the Russian Ministry of Defense, Ukrainian troops lost 2870 people killed. About 3,7 thousand more were wounded. In addition, more than 570 Ukrainian soldiers were taken prisoner by Russian troops. This is the official interpretation of the defense department of the Russian Federation.

Thus, the Russian defense department itself announced data on losses among Russian military personnel in Ukraine. This was done, apparently, in order to avoid any speculation about this. Indeed, a lot of materials began to appear on the network in which all kinds of experts, including those who had nothing to do with the military sphere, began to practice presenting “loss data”.

Against this background, it became known that the 2nd round of negotiations between the Russian and Ukrainian sides will take place tomorrow, March 3. Initially, the meeting at the Polish-Belarusian border was scheduled for today's evening. Commenting on Russia's demands to Ukraine, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov urged not to consider the list as demands for surrender.

"Military Review" expresses condolences to the families and friends of the dead soldiers and wishes recovery to the wounded.
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  1. Aleksandr75
    Aleksandr75 2 March 2022 20: 13
    +161
    Guys, take care of yourself, eternal memory of the dead!
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 2 March 2022 20: 20
      +63
      Ministry of Defense of Russia:

      "Russian soldiers and officers show courage, bravery and heroism during a special military operation"

      "The crew of one of the Russian tanks under the command of senior sergeant Nimchenko, being at the forefront, destroyed 40 armored vehicles (9 tanks and 6 BTR-3) and more than 80 nationalists within 90 minutes with well-aimed fire"

      "Another tank crew under the command of the commander of a tank company, senior lieutenant Starostin, repelling an attack with significantly superior enemy forces, destroyed 8 armored vehicles (BTR-80) and more than 100 nationalists, preventing them from breaking through to the crossing"

      "During the battle, a Russian tank was attacked by an American Javelin ATGM. The crew received a shell shock, but did not leave the battle. After making sure that the equipment was in good condition, 2 more enemy tanks were destroyed with well-aimed fire"


      1. raw174
        raw174 2 March 2022 20: 29
        +89
        The question is, why does our machine reflect the SUPERIOR forces of the enemy? Insufficient intelligence. data? Someone's heroism is someone's miscalculation.
        1. MrFox
          MrFox 2 March 2022 20: 32
          -60
          Because they have piled on... and how we can fight back
          1. military_cat
            military_cat 3 March 2022 10: 38
            +1
            Why didn't they immediately cut off all communication? Where are the electronic warfare facilities?
        2. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 2 March 2022 20: 40
          +15
          This is a fight. Especially for the bridge. Cars are damaged, BC ends or malfunction.
        3. nonsense
          nonsense 2 March 2022 20: 42
          +41
          intelligence acted so-so... Until now, news about the shelling of the territory of Donbass and Russia by TR "Tochka-U" is coming. “It just doesn’t fit into any framework! Where are all these AWACS aircraft of the A-50 type? - Yes, they must hang there for days on end and pinpoint the positions of artillery and missiles!
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 2 March 2022 21: 04
            -14
            These questions will need to be asked by the Ministry of Defense and the prosecutor's office will be involved why the operation is so badly designed and why the intelligence facilities worked so disgustingly, but my opinion remains that the whole operation was concocted by the Ministry of Defense on the knee a couple of days before it began.
            1. Charik
              Charik 2 March 2022 21: 16
              +35
              And some people presented as former military men, one in reserve, say that this is being developed up to a year. Is your opinion based on amateur knowledge or are you a former military man who took part in the database or service in the General Staff analytics?
              1. alexmach
                alexmach 2 March 2022 21: 26
                +9
                And by the way, about a year ago, exercises were held very similar in scale and deployment of forces to the beginning of the current operation.
              2. Vadim237
                Vadim237 2 March 2022 21: 39
                -36
                In this operation, the most elementary horseradish was put. Yes, according to amateur knowledge.
                1. lucul
                  lucul 2 March 2022 22: 35
                  0
                  In this operation, the most elementary horseradish was put. Yes, according to amateur knowledge.

                  We have taken control of the Chernobyl and Zaporozhye nuclear power plants, and this is the main thing. If Bandera had blown them up (and this option cannot be ruled out), then there could have been much, much more deaths than these 500 people.
                  Hence the rush.
                2. Plate
                  Plate 2 March 2022 23: 42
                  +9
                  In this operation, the most elementary horseradish was put. Yes, according to amateur knowledge.

                  They put, according to my observations, only on this. I think (hope) that the General Staff fully painted their questions and took them into account. Posting guards, organizing a reconnaissance platoon in front of the column, flying helicopters in a flight, scheduled duty (and not kicking ... ahem ...) ... these are the questions of officers who directly command the troops.
                  I think there are 2 factors at work here:
                  a) gouging;
                  b) the expectation of little resistance from the fraternal people.
                  As a result, some excessive relaxation and violation of the elementary things you mentioned. But now everyone seems to have understood that the matter is very serious and act accordingly.
                3. irbis0373
                  irbis0373 3 March 2022 01: 10
                  +1
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  In this operation, the most elementary horseradish was put. Yes, according to amateur knowledge.

                  Sitting on the couch and talking is the easiest way.
                  I regret the dead, unfortunately this cannot be avoided.
                  It's always easier to criticize, especially from the couch.
              3. alexey sidykin
                alexey sidykin 2 March 2022 22: 36
                +6
                Quote: Charik
                And some people presented as former military men, one in reserve, say that this is being developed up to a year. Is your opinion based on amateur knowledge or are you a former military man who took part in the database or service in the General Staff analytics?

                No, those who are indignant probably think that, like in a game, they came and beat everyone and everyone themselves remained alive ... Whereas, given the scale of the operation, we even have a few losses.
                1. Korax71
                  Korax71 2 March 2022 23: 12
                  -14
                  Now try to explain this to mothers and folders, who gave their sons alive, and will receive zinc with a smeared window. But it’s good, you may even be right about the level of losses, but this will not cancel the fact of loss.
                  1. flicker
                    flicker 3 March 2022 01: 04
                    0
                    Now try to explain this to mothers and folders, who gave their sons alive, and they will receive zinc with a window
                    Just like the dill method
                    1. Alexander Salenko
                      Alexander Salenko 3 March 2022 08: 52
                      +1
                      Relatives tell, offer to photograph the faces of the dead and in the network.
                  2. polar fox
                    polar fox 3 March 2022 07: 24
                    +4
                    Quote: Korax71
                    Try this now to explain to mothers and folders that they gave their sons alive,

                    and you tell this to my average ... he was there at 14 and now there ... he didn’t ask me, he’s already big. Yes, and a contract soldier.
                    1. Alexander Salenko
                      Alexander Salenko 3 March 2022 08: 54
                      +2
                      So he is a polite person. From me and from my wife, whose nickname is signed, bow to the ground. Thanks to him, we do not see what is happening there now and what happened in the Donbass.
                      1. polar fox
                        polar fox 3 March 2022 10: 10
                        0
                        Quote: Valentina Salenko
                        From me and from my wife whose nickname is signed,

                        it’s only when he arrives))) he doesn’t like to tryndet on the phone ...
                      2. Alexander Salenko
                        Alexander Salenko 3 March 2022 10: 13
                        +1
                        Anyway, your son was involved in a big deal, I thought where to hide the children, it’s not a damn thing fun and I knew where to get a machine gun, we would have a massacre. So I specially took the children to our soldiers and showed them, remember the children - these are our liberators.
                      3. polar fox
                        polar fox 3 March 2022 10: 14
                        +1
                        Quote: Valentina Salenko
                        remember children are our liberators.

                        you understand that ... so the same thing has to be hammered into our heads, in Russia ... not everyone understands this ... oh, not everyone.
                  3. Kapral Alphych
                    Kapral Alphych 3 March 2022 07: 26
                    0
                    Try it now to explain to mothers and folders,


                    In fact, we have a contract army fighting! Moms with folders don't send anyone there! They go there either at the call of the heart, or for a salary! And conscripts are sitting in parts! So do not squeal!
                  4. Serg65
                    Serg65 3 March 2022 08: 48
                    +4
                    Quote: Korax71
                    Try this now to explain to mothers and folders that they gave their sons alive, and they will receive zinc

                    Contract soldiers are fighting, i.e. people purposefully chose the most dangerous profession! They CHOSEN THEM, not their mothers and fathers!!!
            2. SSR
              SSR 2 March 2022 21: 36
              +8
              Quote: Vadim237
              These questions will need to be asked by the Ministry of Defense and the prosecutor's office will be involved why the operation is so badly designed and why the intelligence facilities worked so disgustingly, but my opinion remains that the whole operation was concocted by the Ministry of Defense on the knee a couple of days before it began.

              Well done such. Already done better?
              Or involve the prosecutor's office?
              Whose water are we pouring on?! We need to make a request to the authorities.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 2 March 2022 21: 43
                -14
                The prosecutor's office will be involved later - when the operation is over, the relatives will find out the real losses, as well as the entire public. As well as to those who were responsible for air defense in Millerovo.
            3. raw174
              raw174 2 March 2022 21: 46
              +30
              Quote: Vadim237
              why the intelligence means worked so disgustingly, but my opinion remains that the entire operation of the Ministry of Defense concocted on its knee a couple of days before it began.

              In the case described, it was not the link in the preparation of the operation that worked poorly, but tactical intelligence, directly on the battlefield. The operation itself, in my opinion, is well prepared, as far as the data allows us to judge, we do not get stuck, we do not retreat, the guys carry out their tasks. I repeat, we are fighting on hostile territory, this is a very complicated process.
            4. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 2 March 2022 22: 17
              +30
              Quote: Vadim237
              These questions will need to be asked by the Ministry of Defense and the prosecutor's office will be involved why the operation is so badly designed and why the intelligence facilities worked so disgustingly, but my opinion remains that the whole operation was concocted by the Ministry of Defense on the knee a couple of days before it began.

              Yes, there are many factors and it is impossible to foresee everything. If ours acted like mattresses,
              then the losses would be less, but this is not our method and the main task is to minimize losses among the "civilian" population. In addition, before the destruction of Ukrainian air defense, our columns at the initial stage went without air cover and the main losses were during this period. And yet, yes, we should not discount the fact that we entered foreign territory, where the local population leaked all the information about the movement of our convoys online by cell phone, which allowed the enemy to set up ambushes along the way.
              It is necessary to cut down not only television in Kyiv, but also all cell towers in the zone of movement of our troops, in order to deprive them of the opportunity to coordinate the actions of partisans, territorial defense and warriors with the Nazis. Let them call the rail.
            5. Don Analyst
              Don Analyst 2 March 2022 22: 46
              -18
              The details of the operation are not worked out from the word "generally".

              Significantly underestimated enemy.

              There is no specific data on the number and combat capability of the units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
              At least the principles of combined arms combat were revered.
            6. Repellent
              Repellent 2 March 2022 22: 54
              +4
              Quote: Vadim237
              the operation was badly designed, the reconnaissance equipment worked disgustingly, but my opinion remains

              railway worker, what is a crutch? Or do you not know this either?
            7. flicker
              flicker 2 March 2022 23: 32
              +1
              why is the operation so badly designed
              Not just an operation, but a special operation. And it is special because it confronts us with the Anglo-Saxon represented by the Ukrainian.
              Our challenge detach Anglo-Saxons (Bandera, Natsiks) and the confused people of Ukraine drafted into the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
              The difficulty is that it is extremely difficult to distinguish them from each other.
              ---
              Part of the Armed Forces surrenders, part guards the nuclear power plant together with us. And the other part at the beginning shows neutrality, and then suddenly starts shooting at us in the back. Hence the loss.
              But now the situation has changed, we react more harshly.
              ---
              And the operation, according to experts, is more than successful. And indeed it is.
          2. ser-pov
            ser-pov 2 March 2022 21: 56
            +20
            Quote: nespich
            intelligence acted so-so... Until now, news about the shelling of the territory of Donbass and Russia by TR "Tochka-U" is coming. “It just doesn’t fit into any framework! Where are all these AWACS aircraft of the A-50 type? - Yes, they must hang there for days on end and pinpoint the positions of artillery and missiles!

            Our people know where they are hitting from, there are dense buildings, these bitches are hitting from the yards. Our civilians are afraid to hurt ...
            1. Maki Avellevich
              Maki Avellevich 2 March 2022 23: 23
              -31
              Quote: ser-pov
              Our civilians are afraid to hurt ...

              In Kharkov, they are no longer very afraid, artillery is making pinpoint strikes in social areas.
              Shame on you. It will take a long time to rake.
              Wet the neighbors in the communal apartment.
              1. Repellent
                Repellent 2 March 2022 23: 27
                +19
                Quote: Maki Avellievich
                In Kharkov, they are no longer very afraid, artillery is making pinpoint strikes in social areas

                Apart from your words, is there anything else on this topic?

                Quote: Maki Avellievich
                Wet the neighbors in the communal apartment

                You are not? wink
                1. Maki Avellevich
                  Maki Avellevich 3 March 2022 07: 31
                  -4
                  Quote: Repellent
                  Quote: Maki Avellievich
                  In Kharkov, they are no longer very afraid, artillery is making pinpoint strikes in social areas

                  Apart from your words, is there anything else on this topic?

                  Quote: Maki Avellievich
                  Wet the neighbors in the communal apartment

                  You are not?

                  Kharkiv is basically a Russian city. language, mentality, etc.
                  there are relatives there (they are not Nazis, I assure you) and have been there.

                  after "denafikatsii" it is unlikely that anyone there will have a good word to say about Russia.
                  Here is such a "special operation" is obtained.

                  your business, but it seems to me that your guarantor will lead you to a dead end. and that's a pity.

                  live as you know.
                  1. Repellent
                    Repellent 3 March 2022 07: 47
                    +5
                    To clarify the question, you probably did not understand:

                    Quote: Maki Avellevich
                    In Kharkiv, artillery strikes at social areas

                    Can you give specific examples of "pinpoint strikes"?

                    We don't need generalities, we need specifics.
                    1. Maki Avellevich
                      Maki Avellevich 3 March 2022 07: 55
                      -5
                      I can’t raise the video, realizing it’s no longer possible, I give a link to the cart

                      the point impact on residential buildings is clearly visible.

                      looks like a grad system. this is how they win the hearts of the people.

                      https://t.me/mknews_ua/7295
                      1. Repellent
                        Repellent 3 March 2022 08: 18
                        +2
                        Quote: Maki Avellievich
                        the point impact on residential buildings is clearly visible.

                        looks like a grad system

                        Amazing. This is the City.

                        And it was the Russian troops who did it? Is there something to confirm, or do you take the word of the gentlemen from mknews_ua?

                        Ukrainians also have cities, "Point strikes" There are no hail in nature ... looks more like a provocation

                        Quote: Maki Avellievich
                        win the hearts of the people

                        For this, yes.

                        PS: the subscriber has disconnected, there seems to be no answer. The subscriber fell heavily in my eyes, I considered him to be sane. Now, in his opinion, "the Russians are inflicting point strikes hail along the residential area of ​​the Russian city. "There are no words.
                      2. Maki Avellevich
                        Maki Avellevich 3 March 2022 14: 19
                        -1
                        Quote: Repellent
                        Ukrainians also have hailstones, "pinpoint strikes" There are no hailstones in nature ... it looks more like a provocation, just for

                        maybe the entire Russian army in Ukraine is just a Ukrainian provocation
                      3. Repellent
                        Repellent 3 March 2022 14: 38
                        0
                        Quote: Maki Avellievich
                        maybe the entire Russian army in Ukraine is just a Ukrainian provocation

                        I am aware that the manner of answering a question with a question is characteristic of your people.

                        You see: after you mentioned "precise strikes by the RA Grad on residential development," communication with you lost all interest for me. Firstly, this is a densely illiterate statement, and secondly, it fundamentally contradicts the tasks assigned to the RA.

                        Farewell to the heroes (as well as to you personally) - fat. Eat, don't slouch.
                      4. Maki Avellevich
                        Maki Avellevich 3 March 2022 20: 06
                        +2
                        It takes intelligence to understand sarcasm
                      5. Repellent
                        Repellent 3 March 2022 20: 08
                        -1
                        Quote: Maki Avellievich
                        It takes intelligence to understand sarcasm

                        Sarcasm is a double-edged sword, aren't you afraid?

                        So what do you want to say, dear?
                      6. Maki Avellevich
                        Maki Avellevich 3 March 2022 20: 24
                        +2
                        I wanted to say that they hit residential areas with volleys of hail.
                        Probably intelligence reported that this area is inhabited by the Nazis.
                        Do you have another explanation?
                      7. Repellent
                        Repellent 3 March 2022 20: 30
                        -1
                        Quote: Maki Avellievich
                        Do you have another explanation?

                        There is, and I already brought it. A provocation from the Armed Forces of Ukraine, RA did not rest against such a "resonance". Although, of course, and your option can not be completely ruled out.
                      8. Maki Avellevich
                        Maki Avellevich 3 March 2022 21: 04
                        +3
                        I am not anti-Russian. At all.
                        It pains me to see how one people divided by conventions is at enmity.
                        I pray that you can heal open wounds as soon as possible.
                  2. Alexander Salenko
                    Alexander Salenko 3 March 2022 09: 00
                    +1
                    And to hell with them, just so fat. No need to tell me about Russian Kharkov, there are a lot of Russophobes even with Russian surnames. There would be a percentage like in the Donbass of our people, there would be KhNR.
              2. seagull
                seagull 3 March 2022 01: 28
                +13
                "Wet the neighbors in the communal apartment."
                Call Donetsk and Luhansk, they will sympathize with you...
              3. Kapral Alphych
                Kapral Alphych 3 March 2022 07: 33
                +1
                Wet the neighbors in the communal apartment


                Neighbors are drunks and inadequate! So much was asked by the whole section to calm down, and they either call names, or they will set fire to the doors! And even the youngest is beaten for 8 years! Plus, they brought into our section the same inadequate people from the main road, who now threaten to squeeze out the entire communal apartment!
                So I had to clean the face of such a neighbor! The only question is, will it reach him immediately or will you have to kick him constantly?
              4. flicker
                flicker 3 March 2022 11: 14
                +1
                I am ashamed of you
                Shame on you.
            2. raw174
              raw174 3 March 2022 05: 00
              +1
              Quote: ser-pov
              Our civilians are afraid to hurt ...

              Yes, but I think that with the advancement in depth, this caution should come to naught. Two friendly regions (LDNR) must be cleaned up as delicately as possible, and the rest of Ukraine must taste the power of Russian weapons to the fullest ...
            3. Alexander Salenko
              Alexander Salenko 3 March 2022 08: 58
              0
              A friend of mine has a daughter in Kharkov, and she says so, standing right under my windows.
          3. Andrey VOV
            Andrey VOV 2 March 2022 22: 25
            +11
            Nespich, open the map and see where the shelling is coming from .. Everything is nearby, there are a bunch of peace and buildings, the fact of the matter is that we are fighting in Russian, and not like NATO, plus how many km hits 152 and hail ??
          4. alexey sidykin
            alexey sidykin 2 March 2022 22: 33
            +7
            Quote: nespich
            intelligence acted so-so... Until now, news about the shelling of the territory of Donbass and Russia by TR "Tochka-U" is coming. “It just doesn’t fit into any framework! Where are all these AWACS aircraft of the A-50 type? - Yes, they must hang there for days on end and pinpoint the positions of artillery and missiles!

            Dot U thing, you know, mobile is here today and tomorrow in a completely different place.
        4. g1v2
          g1v2 2 March 2022 20: 46
          +34
          Because we are fighting on enemy territory. It's obvious. request And the first echelon passes to his rear, occupying strategic points. Moreover, because of this, there is an order to abandon equipment in case of breakdowns. Basically, the Volksturm burns it on the video. What they don’t burn, repair teams will pick up later.
          1. Alexander Salenko
            Alexander Salenko 3 March 2022 09: 04
            +1
            That's why there are few people killed near equipment, and to hell with it, with equipment, people are much more important and, as far as I understand, Grozny's experience here. WHO abandoned the cars, he left on foot and died on the equipment. There was a video of 3 tigers in Kharkov, obviously they were aiming at the rear.
        5. ZeeD
          ZeeD 2 March 2022 20: 52
          0
          What is a "environmental breakthrough" heard?
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          1. Charik
            Charik 2 March 2022 21: 20
            +38
            it’s a pity all sorts of vyacheslavs on the sofas didn’t finalize the special operation against the 200-strong armed army hiding among the civilian population
          2. alexmach
            alexmach 2 March 2022 21: 28
            +22
            There is no need to just talk nonsense. There are excellent videos about the assault on Grozny, for example. With an overview of what happened. It is obvious that in this operation those errors are not even close to visible.
            1. Shahno
              Shahno 2 March 2022 21: 35
              -24
              I agree, but there are other errors. Because Chechnya is not the territory of Ukraine, there are, as it were, differences ...
          3. tatarin1972
            tatarin1972 2 March 2022 21: 37
            +11
            You see a great strategist ?! From that opera, everyone fancies himself a strategist, seeing the battle from the side.
          4. Rostislav
            Rostislav 2 March 2022 21: 50
            +8
            What a pity that everyone who dares to govern the country already works as waiters and janitors.
            And so they would have shown the adversary, wow!
          5. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell 2 March 2022 21: 50
            +18
            Quote: V is for B
            it seems like an experience ... no one is studying anymore. "Glory to the Great Putin"
            I'm still wildly sorry - but what does the VGK have to do with it? I don't condone it, but stick your nose into every pothole he can't either.
            I had a chance to talk with the special forces, who participated in the second Chechen war - here they respond well: they were not betrayed at every step
          6. Andrey VOV
            Andrey VOV 2 March 2022 22: 27
            +1
            You are Bandera
          7. alexey sidykin
            alexey sidykin 2 March 2022 22: 40
            +4
            Quote: V is for B
            Why someone? This is a miscalculation of those who have general epaulettes, but it seems that the experience of two Chechen, 2008, Syria has not taught anyone anything. Yes, and no one is studying the suppression of the rebellion in Hungary. "Glory to the Great Putin"

            Oh, one more "hero" how come you all climbed out ... surely not everyone in Ukraine was covered yet.
        7. Alexander 3
          Alexander 3 2 March 2022 21: 10
          +12
          There was information that we were one day ahead of the Banderaites. It was the Banderlogs who wanted to clear their territory. Yes, and NATO drove its troops from all sides. In the event of their successful offensive, NATO bases with nuclear weapons were deployed on the territory of Ukraine. We had no choice. rocket time from Ukraine to Moscow 5 minutes.
          1. alexmach
            alexmach 2 March 2022 21: 30
            0
            Information was received that we were one day ahead of Bandera.

            This is very unlikely in my opinion.
            1. Alexander Salenko
              Alexander Salenko 3 March 2022 09: 08
              -3
              Well, in any case, it was the Ukrainians who opened the database, having crossed the Seversky Donets River with two DRGs. It is difficult to say how far-reaching the plans were, but the fact is that we were not even the first to start, although we planned.
          2. Ulad
            Ulad 4 March 2022 13: 03
            +2
            That's what confuses me in the "flying time" argument. In place of NATO, nothing prevents nuclear weapons from being delivered in the Baltics. The question is why? After the first use, it doesn't matter who fired first.
            There's something else here...
        8. nnm
          nnm 2 March 2022 21: 14
          +9
          So the advanced groups are clearly applied. Or how, in your vision, it is necessary to enter Grozny like the Maikop brigade?
          1. Andrey VOV
            Andrey VOV 2 March 2022 22: 27
            -6
            nn did you fight in Chechnya in 95? Did you enter the formidable?
            1. nnm
              nnm 3 March 2022 08: 57
              +1
              Instead of an answer. Urgent, DON-100, 94-95
        9. dmmyak40
          dmmyak40 2 March 2022 21: 19
          -6
          Good question ... I constantly ask it while reading the memoirs of our fighters during the 1945 period. Four against eight... Eight against twenty... Squadron against 50... Questions, questions...
        10. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 2 March 2022 21: 38
          +4
          Quote: raw174
          The question is, why does our machine reflect the SUPERIOR forces of the enemy? Insufficient intelligence. data? Someone's heroism is someone's miscalculation.

          Here is the direct report:
        11. yaglon
          yaglon 2 March 2022 22: 08
          +7
          A rapidly changing front line. Quite normal. The battalions that have rushed forward fall under the blows of superior forces and suffer heavy losses. It has always been so.
        12. alexey sidykin
          alexey sidykin 2 March 2022 22: 30
          0
          Quote: raw174
          The question is, why does our machine reflect the SUPERIOR forces of the enemy? Insufficient intelligence. data? Someone's heroism is someone's miscalculation.

          Do you think that they do not have armored vehicles? Moreover, fighting is not a computer game. You know, they shoot at them and even kill them.
        13. max702
          max702 2 March 2022 22: 41
          -4
          Because the brotherly people ..
        14. 28st region
          28st region 3 March 2022 03: 32
          +5
          Attackers always create superior forces in a certain area. In this case, the battle was described when the Nazis tried to break out of the boiler. In this case, the operational data changes not just every minute, every second. And then one thing is strategic or operational-tactical intelligence, in this case, everything is at the level of a platoon, company, battalion.
          They repelled a massive attack, destroyed the enemy, they themselves remained alive - wonderful. Another small victory that adds up
      2. Babay Atasovich
        Babay Atasovich 2 March 2022 20: 55
        +36
        To the dead - GLORY! Alive - RESPECT!
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      4. bandabas
        bandabas 3 March 2022 01: 12
        +1
        The Gordian knot should have been cut 8 years ago. And our propaganda suffers. A la Kozma Kryuchkov. In any case - good luck! Russian military.
      5. pilot306
        pilot306 3 March 2022 05: 25
        -1
        Aviation is a clear lack of aviation forces in this direction. The Su-25 should have come up and this disgrace would not have happened.
    2. Thrifty
      Thrifty 2 March 2022 20: 41
      +70
      They died for us, for our future! I am sure that their names will be immortalized, that the Book of Memory will be published, where all the dead soldiers of Russia can be seen in photographs! Accept, Michael the Archangel, them into your heavenly army! Peace be upon them!
      1. Vlad Baryatinsky
        Vlad Baryatinsky 2 March 2022 23: 36
        +9
        Quote: Thrifty
        They died for us, for our future! I am sure that their names will be immortalized, that the Book of Memory will be published, where all the dead soldiers of Russia can be seen in photographs! Accept, Michael the Archangel, them into your heavenly army! Peace be upon them!

        Most relevant comment!
        Unfortunately, NOT EVERYONE UNDERSTAND, and they are trying to “squeeze politics” again!
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      1. vindigo
        vindigo 2 March 2022 23: 03
        +4
        It's a pity for the girls from Kramotorsk. Now our soldiers do not stand on ceremony. Volkssturm in Kherson was cut in half from autocannons, along with trees. Creepy footage.
      2. ultra
        ultra 3 March 2022 00: 59
        +2
        Do they pour cocktails in Kramatorsk? Yes, you are fantastic, however.
      3. lopvlad
        lopvlad 3 March 2022 02: 12
        +9
        Quote: Vladislav_2
        women and girls are pouring Molotov cocktails and ready to attack


        these are not the women and girls who poured these same cocktails and then, having fun, burned people alive with them in Odessa on May 2? .So let these "women and girls" be glassy earth. Denazification once again means the fight not only against the Nazis but their accomplices.
        1. Alexander Salenko
          Alexander Salenko 3 March 2022 09: 18
          +1
          And this is Nazi and there are not accomplices. And in general, on the subject of the Volsksturm, since we are talking about it, how many idiots do not catch up that this is not a fucking game. I wonder if they, in principle, realize that the laws of war do not apply to them? If I lived in Kyiv, for example, I would also take a machine gun to shoot those breaking into the hut, but there in Kyiv they really patrol something and after the war it will be necessary to identify them all and have a conversation, they know each other. These accomplices and those girls who poured cocktails in a fascist way are.
    4. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 2 March 2022 22: 56
      +2
      It’s a pity for the dead, the earth rest in peace and the wounded get better, for those who say “a lot of losses in a few days,” you don’t count days, but how much army 404 has been done, as the army was essentially destroyed, and obviously not weak, it’s not vagrants in the desert with flip flops to drive, not air defense, not aviation, not a fleet of equipment, a bunch was knocked out, that grouping that in the boiler up to 100 thousand has already been sentenced not today, but they will cut out the whole focal resistance, they sit and practically don’t rock the boat, the Russian Federation has the whole sky under control for SUCH a result, I consider 500 killed, not only a sane result but very good (also city battles are going on).
      The main part of our people, as I understand it, fry the dill in the cauldron, roast it, and immediately everything at the rock will fall down and many people will be freed for battle and a moral blow for the invaders.
    5. Vlad Baryatinsky
      Vlad Baryatinsky 2 March 2022 23: 27
      +6
      Quote: Aleksandr75
      eternal memory to the dead!

      Kingdom of Heaven, Warriors!
      Deep Regrets, To the Families of Heroes!
    6. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 3 March 2022 01: 13
      -2
      I thought that the dead were no more than 300-350ti. It is felt that the command lacks experience in certain aspects. Some things really jarred me, a person who took part in ground combat operations. For example, insufficient protection of logistics convoys, falling into avoidable ambushes, insufficient implementation of air support capabilities and many more nuances. But in general, they try to protect people, as I understand it, this is commendable.
      Rest in peace guys, your watch is over.
  2. yaglon
    yaglon 2 March 2022 20: 15
    +37
    Well done! Dispelled the topic for speculation.
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      1. yaglon
        yaglon 2 March 2022 20: 31
        +54
        Did they have to lose 2-3 people in order to advance hundreds of kilometers? Quite objective losses, which, as the historian Isaev says, can be assessed as moderate. Given the progress made.
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 2 March 2022 20: 43
          +29
          Quote: yaglon
          Did they have to lose 2-3 people in order to advance hundreds of kilometers? Quite objective losses, which, as the historian Isaev says, can be assessed as moderate. Given the progress made.

          According to the laws of war, the attacking side usually suffers losses three times greater than the defending side.
          1. Incvizitor
            Incvizitor 2 March 2022 20: 57
            +8
            Now everyone is in control of air superiority, whoever has it dominates and there are fewer losses.
            1. Piramidon
              Piramidon 2 March 2022 21: 00
              +25
              Quote: Incvizitor
              Now everyone is in control of air superiority, whoever has it dominates and there are fewer losses.

              Well, that's the way it is. 1 to 5 in favor of the attackers. And we must also take into account the restrictions on the use of aviation and heavy artillery for humanitarian reasons
              1. Cjiobo
                Cjiobo 2 March 2022 21: 05
                +17
                1 to 6.
                They thought that the population was still sane, but as it turned out, they were simply stoned to the fullest. They seemed to have been given something to drink for all eight years. And ours cannot shoot at houses, etc., etc.
                1. alexmach
                  alexmach 2 March 2022 21: 41
                  +11
                  And ours cannot shoot at houses, etc., etc.

                  It is impossible in any case.
                  They thought that the population was still sane

                  The part is sane. Part of the insane will be re-educated. The rest will be shot.
                2. Alexander Salenko
                  Alexander Salenko 3 March 2022 09: 28
                  +1
                  Stoned. I lived in this state for 23 years and I know perfectly well what is there and how, and I saw illusions about Ukrainian citizens. Even we in the Crimea have some of them, some of them dumped from the Crimea, the air is only cleaner. For example, Crimean skinheads, a friend of mine knows them, a sane archaeologist, as it seemed, also dumped them in Azov. He is 45 years old, if he has not died, this is not some kind of kid there.
                  We opened a new school in Simferopol in 2005, made it bilingual, at first they wanted a purely Ukrainian one, and the people exploded. So every morning they played the anthem there. For 8,5 years, such processing is taking its toll, I am already silent about history textbooks.
                  And in the rest of Ukraine, they did not restrain themselves at all. But pay attention, patriotism is cunning, a man throws himself under a tank, knowing that they will not move. But he, and a provocateur, nevertheless does not go to the military registration and enlistment office, but you can leave.
            2. alexey sidykin
              alexey sidykin 2 March 2022 22: 43
              +1
              Quote: Incvizitor
              Now everyone is in control of air superiority, whoever has it dominates and there are fewer losses.

              So it is not only now, it has been so since WWII.
          2. Prometey
            Prometey 2 March 2022 21: 05
            +18
            Yes, there are no such laws of war. To be successful, operations in the direction of the main attack must have a 3-fold superiority. But this does not mean that they have to suffer losses 3 times more than the defender. With a well-planned offensive, the defender, deprived of maneuver, can suffer higher losses.
            1. Glory1974
              Glory1974 3 March 2022 09: 04
              +2
              Yes, there are no such laws of war.

              Quite right. I agree with you 100%
              To be successful, operations in the direction of the main attack must have a 3-fold superiority. But this does not mean that they have to suffer losses 3 times more than the defender.

              And in the breakthrough area, superiority should be a ratio of forces of 1 to 5.
              With a well-planned offensive, the defender, deprived of maneuver, can suffer higher losses.

              Not only can, but must. And when the enemy is surrounded, the rear units of the enemy enter into combat contact with the advancing units, and the level of his losses increases sharply.
              The hardest thing is in urban areas. Combat at close range, in conditions of limited visibility, etc. Ours strive not to fight according to the statutory rules, they pity civilians. Therefore, Kadyrov's demands are to fight like this to fight.
          3. musketon64
            musketon64 2 March 2022 21: 21
            +4
            According to the laws of war, the attacking side usually suffers losses three times greater than the defending side.

            This is the first stage during a tactical breakthrough. Then the boilers, "alignment of the front line" (drap) change the ratio in favor of the attackers. Therefore, an offensive (strategic initiative) is always better than sitting in the trenches.
          4. alexmach
            alexmach 2 March 2022 21: 39
            -6
            According to the laws of war, the attacking side usually suffers losses three times greater than the defending side.

            Yeah .. when breaking through the prepared defense. Where did you see this in this war? except in the areas of advance of the DPR and LPR.
            1. Shahno
              Shahno 2 March 2022 21: 41
              -3
              But agree, at least 1 to one, or am I wrong?
              1. alexmach
                alexmach 2 March 2022 21: 50
                -2
                Yes, it all depends on the nature of the action. And Russia is acting in many respects rather cautiously. There are not so many major collisions for the whole company yet.
            2. Victor Leningradets
              Victor Leningradets 2 March 2022 22: 06
              +8
              I ask gentlemen officers not to repeat these cinematic myths from the First World War. You would still remember the battle with baguettes against cavalry (XVIII century).
              A competent breakthrough of the prepared defense is carried out by the overwhelming FIRE superiority of the attacking side, followed by a quick maneuver to disorganize the defense to the full depth. The subsequent cleansing of centers of resistance is also carried out by destroying the blockaded enemy with firepower. The pursuit of a disorganized enemy is carried out to destroy him, so that he does not organize focal defense in operationally important nodes remaining in the rear of the troops. The most effective means of combating a disorganized enemy are mobile tactical groups supported by army aviation.
              And what kind of FIRE superiority is necessary to break through and defeat the enemy’s defenses, what mobile forces should be allocated for this - the task of the headquarters (if intelligence worked well).
          5. Korax71
            Korax71 2 March 2022 23: 25
            -2
            You are confusing a little. The advancing side should have a three to five-fold superiority, i.e. a platoon should attack a squad in defense. Nothing is said anywhere about losses that they should be many times greater. If you suffer three times losses in an offensive, then feel free to consider that it failed.
        2. Borik
          Borik 2 March 2022 20: 56
          +13
          I do not have so many swear words to digest this data. In five days, lose 500 people killed. And this is still without data on the losses of the DPR and LPR or with them?
          It's a pity, a pity for our soldiers, let them rest in peace. And even more sorry for their mothers and fathers.
          1. Evil543
            Evil543 2 March 2022 21: 00
            -20
            Likewise. I have no words. Assault on Grozny 94-95. There are simply no words.
            1. Evil543
              Evil543 2 March 2022 21: 33
              -4
              Dear minusers from sofas. Your cons are deep purple, as are your pros. I have something to compare. 9 months of 1 Chechen can't be knocked out of my memory. And what I see is only mate.
              1. Andrey VOV
                Andrey VOV 2 March 2022 22: 32
                -2
                And tell me where you fought in 1 Chechen? V / h, all your own? 9 months? From November?
                1. Evil543
                  Evil543 2 March 2022 23: 30
                  -6
                  Is everything okay with your head?
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            2. Andrey VOV
              Andrey VOV 2 March 2022 22: 31
              +6
              What do you evil know about the assault on the formidable in 95 ??
              1. Evil543
                Evil543 2 March 2022 23: 52
                -5
                I know a lot about the assault on August 96
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              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 2 March 2022 21: 41
                +1
                Quote: Repellent
                It popped up again...

                "It" is all from the same "opera". It's amazing that it's the only one.
          3. Prometey
            Prometey 2 March 2022 21: 11
            -9
            And what should be the losses? 2 people? They do not fight against the Bushmen with spears. There is a war against a state that has a regular army. And it looks like 7 years have not been in vain for ukrov. They prepared them very well. If it were not for Russian air superiority, the Armed Forces of Ukraine would have already entered the Crimea on the captured Russian equipment.
            1. kirosi
              kirosi 2 March 2022 21: 37
              +4
              Well, in general, it’s somehow disgusting to discuss sitting on the couch, like how smart I am. But, of course, not all the victims were inevitable. So on CNN they told and showed in some detail the story of the strategic crossing of the Dnieper near Kherson. In general, miscalculations in planning are obvious. But, I must say that no one planned this "for years": remember where we were at least last year: epidemic, vaccination, etc.? Moreover, in fact, the situation was imposed on us in the middle or late autumn, when the Ukronazis had already transferred the army to the Donbass, and they were preparing for much longer, that is, we had two or three months to plan, no more, and this was in conditions of permanent emergency, when they did not know how much time we have at our disposal before they start a war.
          4. Jager
            Jager 2 March 2022 21: 30
            +6
            Most likely, only the RF Armed Forces are here. Given that the LDNR troops struck in the main directions and through fortified areas, the losses can be safely multiplied by 3.
            One question. Given the number of weapons only in the Russian Federation, it is possible to plow the whole of Europe into the lunar landscape to the English Channel. And to turn the divorced and well-known fortified areas simply into a scorched desert with artillery and aviation. Why was this line gnawed through for several days?
            1. alexmach
              alexmach 2 March 2022 21: 44
              +7
              Why was this line gnawed through for several days?

              Have you seen their "fortified areas" in high-rise buildings and artillery positions at school stadiums?
              1. Jager
                Jager 2 March 2022 22: 08
                -9
                Schools with artillery in the stadiums are empty.
            2. Andrey VOV
              Andrey VOV 2 March 2022 22: 34
              +5
              For those who .. Tight-witted, you can tear everything up in 1 day and make a lunar landscape, but this is if the peaceful people are razed to the ground, as you do
            3. alexey sidykin
              alexey sidykin 2 March 2022 22: 47
              +3
              Quote: Jager
              Most likely, only the RF Armed Forces are here. Given that the LDNR troops struck in the main directions and through fortified areas, the losses can be safely multiplied by 3.
              One question. Given the number of weapons only in the Russian Federation, it is possible to plow the whole of Europe into the lunar landscape to the English Channel. And to turn the divorced and well-known fortified areas simply into a scorched desert with artillery and aviation. Why was this line gnawed through for several days?

              You can plow without difficulty, but only with civilians. And what are they to blame for? Especially in the LDNR.
            4. kirosi
              kirosi 2 March 2022 22: 57
              0
              where does this cannibalism come from? far from all the Armed Forces of Ukraine are frostbitten Natsiks. Yes, our victims are "lowering the bar" in terms of saving their military and terrorist fighters (those who fight in civilian clothes), but do not remove it completely
          5. Garris199
            Garris199 2 March 2022 22: 30
            -2
            Well, how long will our army fight on armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles of the Soviet design of the 60-70s .... The guys have almost no armor cover.
            1. Alexander Salenko
              Alexander Salenko 3 March 2022 09: 39
              0
              There are a lot of BTR-82A and BMP-3, tigers and typhoons, and on the subject of Soviet technology, but why is it outdated? For the sake of interest, inquire about the year the American M-2 Browning machine gun was created, my grandmother was born this year. Here she died, but the machine gun did not. And the abrams, I still read about them as a kid, just like Bradley. There were such Turbo chewing gums and there are inserts with pictures of military equipment, so there is an M-113A3 armored personnel carrier, for example, only strikers are newer, but the M-113 is also full in the American army.
          6. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 2 March 2022 23: 23
            -10
            "In five days, lose 500 people killed." ///
            ---
            500 are those whose bodies were transported to Russia after identification.
            In many battlefields, no one took away the bodies and no one buried them, so
            as a territory not under the constant control of Russian troops.
            1. Repellent
              Repellent 2 March 2022 23: 36
              +10
              Quote: voyaka uh
              500 - this is whose bodies were transported to Russia after identification

              Were you personally present there, holding a candle? Or are reports sent directly to you from Moscow?

              I understand everything, except how to spoil in such topics. Vultures, in the soul of the mother negative
              1. just exp
                just exp 3 March 2022 02: 05
                +5
                Israelis are basically Russophobic, so expecting objectivity from them is just as stupid as expecting it from Bandera.
                they (Bandera and Israelis) by the way are ideological relatives.
              2. aszzz888
                aszzz888 3 March 2022 08: 24
                +1
                Repellent (R)
                Yesterday, 23: 36
                NEW

                +7
                Quote: voyaka uh
                500 - this is whose bodies were transported to Russia after identification

                Were you personally present there, holding a candle? Or are reports sent directly to you from Moscow?

                I understand everything, except how to spoil in such topics. Vultures, mate to the soulb negative
                This is at least! Other more capacious words will not be missed by administrators. This prebezhchina is completely rabid - fakes are driving a stream! angry
          7. Alexander Salenko
            Alexander Salenko 3 March 2022 09: 31
            +1
            Without them, the Moscow Region is not responsible to them, and they also have losses. especially since they had a breakthrough over the years of defense being created.
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          1. Andrey VOV
            Andrey VOV 2 March 2022 22: 35
            +4
            , go away,
        4. nnm
          nnm 2 March 2022 21: 16
          +6
          And the absence of a multiple superiority in forces and means.
      2. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 2 March 2022 20: 39
        +27
        Quote: Igor Tikhomirov
        Well done in what? So much has been lost. Do we have many young people?

        Six Day War - Israel's loss of about 700 people
        Here in less than a week
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 2 March 2022 21: 00
          0
          Quote: Krasnodar
          Six Day War - Israel's loss of about 700 people
          Here in less than a week

          In Afghanistan, over 10 years of war, 15000 soldiers were lost ... compare further, who is more! ....
          1. kirosi
            kirosi 2 March 2022 21: 42
            -1
            about 15 thousand. you are off topic, this includes sanitary (that is, the wounded, out of action, by the way, they were usually not returned to Afghanistan after recovery) and non-combat. Do you know how many, say, non-combat losses from the same US Army annually? If my memory serves me about 4-5 thousand. people Ours - I just don't know.
            1. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 2 March 2022 22: 49
              -1
              Quote from kirosi
              about 15 thousand. you are off topic, this includes sanitary (that is, the wounded, out of action, by the way, they were usually not returned to Afghanistan after recovery) and non-combat.

              Good! At your "request", we will add 500 wounded to the 1600 dead ... 2100! Plus a certain number of prisoners ... For a week! And 15000 in 10 years ... from 3000 to 5000 in 2 ... let 1,5 years in Chechnya in the first (most unsuccessful ...) campaign! Think for yourself, decide for yourself!
              1. kirosi
                kirosi 2 March 2022 23: 02
                +1
                you do not take into account the intensity of hostilities, and this is extremely important, and you yourself understand. again, it was not in vain that I cited data on non-combat losses, that is, in peaceful garrison conditions, 4-5 thousand per year is 40-50 thousand in 10 years!
                That is, they have non-combat losses many times (!) Exceed the combat ones, I hope it’s the other way around with us (but not because the combat losses are large, but because there is more order and mutual assistance).
              2. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 2 March 2022 23: 35
                -1
                Quote: Nikolaevich I
                from 3000 to 5000 for 2 ... let 1,5 years in Chechnya in the first (most unsuccessful ...) campaign!

                It's too low, in my opinion.
              3. Alexander Salenko
                Alexander Salenko 3 March 2022 09: 41
                0
                Well, it’s probably worth comparing the opponents then, huh?
          2. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 2 March 2022 22: 06
            0
            Quote: Nikolaevich I

            In Afghanistan, over 10 years of war, 15000 soldiers were lost ... compare further, who is more

            Afghanistan is anti-gerilla, it is incomparable.
        2. Evil543
          Evil543 2 March 2022 21: 01
          -7
          When she was..
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 2 March 2022 22: 39
            +5
            It's been too long for you ... can't even remember? And the First Chechen campaign (1994-1996)? Here the data is very different ... the Ministry of Defense (already 2 times, in different years ...), the Memorial Society, the Chechens ... and so on, so on! But you can say something like this: from "over 3000 ..." to "over 5000" soldiers and officers ... Divide these numbers by the months of the war (1994-1996) ... Divide 15000 "Afghans" by 10 years! How much do you make per week? And we must take into account what kind of army it was then (conscripts!) And how many high-precision weapons were used then! In Ukraine, as the Ministry of Defense assures, they are fighting mainly contract soldiers and they have a lot of high-precision weapons ... (again, according to the assurances of the Ministry of Defense!), But the level of losses is comparable! Now the huge problem is how to get the Nazis, the Armed Forces of Ukraine, who deploy heavy weapons near residential buildings, schools, hospitals ... Long-range cannon artillery with "free-falling" shells? MLRS "Grad", "Hurricane", "Smerch"? ... And what? It is possible with "hail", and "tornado" ... and "revenge", and "peony"! Only shells for them should be guided! And a UAV with laser illumination! And UAVs with missiles! What is the success of the Azerbaijani army? Not only in "bayraktars"! And in the general mass (!) Use of high-precision weapons, in advanced remote reconnaissance and guidance means! And if for the Russian troops in Ukraine the coming out tank, standing under the windows of the school, is a problem, then this may indicate that the Russian troops are very lacking in high-precision tactical weapons! And now the redneck of the Ministry of Defense, the country's leadership in front of high prices for high-precision weapons is affecting! Come on with him ... weapons of the 3rd generation! But are there enough "laser-beam" "Whirlwinds", "Chrysanthemum-V", "Attacks"? Do you have enough Krasnopoles? I do not in the least detract from the valor and skill of Russian soldiers and officers to major ... (well, maybe to colonels ...); but I have "nasty" questions for the generals, the Minister of Defense, for the commander in chief ...!
            1. Garris199
              Garris199 2 March 2022 22: 49
              +7
              It's not greed, it's corruption. How much of our money was taken out of the country ... ..and now they just gave it to the enemies. The equipment of the army leaves much to be desired. We have about 1000 Orlan-10 UAVs. They should hang over every district 24/7. Aviation should operate the KAB immediately after the target is detected by the drone.
            2. Woodman
              Woodman 2 March 2022 23: 34
              +4
              Quote: Nikolaevich I
              Divide 15000 "Afghans" for 10 years!
              You forget that in Afghanistan, the government army fought on our side (the same one that, after our departure, held out against the Mujahideen for another three years), and against us were ordinary bandits, although numerous, but poorly armed, without armor and completely without aircraft. Now compare with our current adversary.
              1. Nikolaevich I
                Nikolaevich I 3 March 2022 07: 55
                -2
                Quote: Lesovik
                against us are ordinary bandits, although numerous, but poorly armed, without armor and completely without aviation.

                Bandits fought ... like those that defeated the British in the 19th century (then one of the best armies in the world ...)? Bandits armed with Stingers, MZA; Chinese MLRS, mortars, recoilless, mountain guns? A war in the mountains, where the use of armored vehicles, heavy artillery sometimes "tends to zero"?
            3. kirosi
              kirosi 2 March 2022 23: 40
              +1
              calm down already. Gnas had no options from the word at all!
        3. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 2 March 2022 21: 02
          +9
          Here in less than a week

          Thanks old man. For your opinion. Will live!
          To peaceful people - let the war not touch them, let everyone remain alive and well.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 2 March 2022 22: 07
            +2
            Quote: Pane Kohanku
            To peaceful people - let the war not touch them, let everyone remain alive and well.

            Greetings! hi
            Hurry up peaceful sky over the head of the inhabitants of both countries!
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          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 2 March 2022 22: 08
            +3
            Quote: V is for B
            Tokmo yours now take care of their own and send planes like that.

            And should they give out one rifle to five and go, two kilometers away, to storm the height?
        5. Piramidon
          Piramidon 2 March 2022 21: 12
          +15
          Quote: Krasnodar
          Six Day War - Israel's loss of about 700 people
          Here in less than a week

          It must also be taken into account that the Israelis were not limited by any humanitarian framework. In response to a stone thrown from the window - a shot from a tank gun at this window, regardless of who is there.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 3 March 2022 09: 01
            +1
            Quote: Piramidon
            It must also be taken into account that the Israelis were not limited by any humanitarian framework

            They knocked out the aircraft of four countries on the first day of the war. So everything went fast.
            Quote: Piramidon
            were. In response to a stone thrown from the window - a shot from a tank gun

            No one threw stones there - the civilians on both sides hid or fled. The Syrians for four days from the Golan Heights worked on the villages with artillery - from the beginning of the Israeli attack, all civilians jumped towards Damascus.
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        7. Dart2027
          Dart2027 2 March 2022 21: 20
          +8
          Quote: Krasnodar
          Six Day War - Israel's loss of about 700 people

          Ukrainians are not Arabs after all.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 3 March 2022 09: 04
            +1
            Quote: Dart2027
            Ukrainians are not Arabs after all.

            They are worse armed. Of the modern only anti-tank systems. Well, the Arabs are all different - the Jordanians are at the level, the Syrians are about nothing, the Egyptians are faced with a war in the desert without air cover.
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 3 March 2022 12: 33
              -1
              Quote: Krasnodar
              They are worse armed.

              But we also have to limit ourselves.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 3 March 2022 12: 39
                0
                So ours entered a country with an almost single (ethnically) population and do not wage war on the complete destruction of the armed forces of another country.
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 3 March 2022 12: 52
                  0
                  That's the point.
        8. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 2 March 2022 21: 43
          +1
          Quote: Krasnodar
          Six Day War - Israel's loss of about 700 people

          Opponents are different, you can not compare an Arab with a Ukrainian.
          1. Shahno
            Shahno 2 March 2022 21: 46
            -1
            Well, there were Arabs there, they could simply trample.
          2. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 3 March 2022 09: 04
            +1
            Quote: tihonmarine
            Opponents are different, you can't compare an Arab

            Answered above
        9. alexmach
          alexmach 2 March 2022 21: 46
          -6
          Here in less than a week

          Yes, but, unfortunately, no significant progress has yet been achieved or secured.
          1. alexey sidykin
            alexey sidykin 2 March 2022 22: 51
            +1
            Quote: alexmach
            Here in less than a week

            Yes, but, unfortunately, no significant progress has yet been achieved or secured.

            What are you? Enough fairy tales to tell you no success ...
            1. alexmach
              alexmach 3 March 2022 11: 38
              +1
              What are you? Enough fairy tales to tell you no success ...

              Not that there is no success at all, of course I did not express myself accurately. No major strategic victories are yet in sight.
          2. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 3 March 2022 09: 05
            +3
            Quote: alexmach
            Here in less than a week

            Yes, but, unfortunately, no significant progress has yet been achieved or secured.

            Territories are not comparable
      3. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 2 March 2022 20: 40
        -2
        Come on, huh? Did you go to battle?
      4. Lena Petrova
        Lena Petrova 2 March 2022 20: 46
        +12
        Now they will start working in the boilers, and the ratio will change a little.
        1. Prometey
          Prometey 2 March 2022 21: 13
          -29
          There will be no boilers. Don't hope. They will come out of them without problems.
          1. Blade3
            Blade3 2 March 2022 21: 32
            +6
            They couldn’t get away from the DPR, but right now there are no options at all
            1. Prometey
              Prometey 2 March 2022 22: 17
              -4
              DO NOT compare 2014 and 2022 APUs. These are completely different things.
              1. Alexander Salenko
                Alexander Salenko 3 March 2022 09: 46
                0
                But it is not the militia of 2014 that opposes them.
          2. alexmach
            alexmach 2 March 2022 21: 48
            +3
            yeah, it looks like they won't come out.
          3. Alexander Salenko
            Alexander Salenko 3 March 2022 09: 45
            0
            Look at the map and don't carry such nonsense again. They are already in the cauldron, where the infantry has not cut through, they are shot through or bombed from the air. And they tried to break through, but somehow it turned out unsuccessfully. From helicopters, their column was ironed.
          4. Piramidon
            Piramidon 3 March 2022 09: 53
            0
            Quote: Prometey
            There will be no boilers. Don't hope. They will come out of them without problems.

            Well, yes, win in two steps. Wishlist and reality are very different.
      5. Stepan S
        Stepan S 2 March 2022 21: 19
        +3
        To go behind enemy lines without losses, and also in the Donbass, how intense the fighting is. Well, of course, the first days are the most difficult, everyone got used to the war. Now there will be much fewer losses, and the enemy is no longer so strong.
      6. lucul
        lucul 2 March 2022 21: 30
        +2
        Well done in what? So much has been lost. Do we have many young people?

        The fact that so much territory was occupied. Do you offer arte to raze the city to the ground, and then enter it?
      7. alexmach
        alexmach 2 March 2022 21: 38
        +9
        Well done in what?

        That they provided official and truthful information on such a sensitive topic. The truth is the most powerful weapon against lies.
      8. ultra
        ultra 3 March 2022 01: 02
        +4
        We are at war with a grouping that is mintmum twice as large as ours, and this is not counting the volunteer battalions and the terrorist defense.
  3. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 2 March 2022 20: 18
    +17
    Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov urged not to consider the list of demands for surrender.

    Why not demand surrender? Diplomacy?
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 2 March 2022 21: 45
      +5
      Quote: Aviator_
      Why not demand surrender? Diplomacy?

      So it’s not a war that goes on, no one announced it. There is no war, there will be no surrender and indemnity.
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 3 March 2022 08: 18
        +1
        There is no war, there will be no surrender and indemnity.

        Well, if these are legal subtleties, then of course.
  4. LAWNER
    LAWNER 2 March 2022 20: 18
    +17
    I watch a video of eyewitnesses from Ukrainian cities. There, from marauders, the terror of Bats, people are dying in batches.
  5. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 2 March 2022 20: 19
    +22
    Let the earth rest in peace for the dead, let the wounds heal without consequences for the wounded. Of course shock..
    Already on this we can assume what losses in technology can be.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 2 March 2022 20: 30
      0
      According to the loss of equipment, in general, buttocks - 500 boxes with photos and videos on Oryx (an analogue of Lostarmor, only faster and more convenient) were counted.

      For example, the villagers take out Tor-M2 for themselves.


      Here is the Shell harness.


      Here, as many as 3 T-72B3 UTTH tanks were abandoned.



      The 4th Kantemirovskaya division lost 3 MSTA-S, up to 12 T-80U, BV and even the rarest UK (with Shtora and Agave), which only this unit had.


      3 T-90s lost and 2 of them reliably burned. 1 T-80BVM was lost by the 128th brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and now it serves with them.

      90% of these losses - they ran out of fuel, they threw it away! 5% is stuck, abandoned. 5% all other reasons.
      1. Chikua
        Chikua 2 March 2022 20: 43
        -2
        Do you think there are sleeping beacons in abandoned equipment? Like those that are put in the car from theft?
      2. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 2 March 2022 20: 44
        +7
        Anything can happen. The Kantemirovites went into the breach to hold the object. Guards. Well done. I saw them in white disguise on the first day. The tanks flew away, the rear lagged behind. They threw them in good order so that the columns would not be delayed ...
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 2 March 2022 20: 53
          +8
          Well, again, it's planning. The goal is to reach the lines - no matter how much we throw, the rear will be picked up. However, the main bet on goodwill did not work. As a result, hunting was opened for the rear in the same Chernihiv-Sumy region, catching 1-2-3 trucks, and the abandoned equipment was promptly burned.


          Now, by the way, the reverse trend has begun, the Armed Forces of Ukraine forbids burning equipment if it is possible to pull it out. Here are the last two days:

          BMD-4M trophy and 2 BMP-3 too.



          Also, the new Shell was also not allowed to be burned and was dragged off on a tractor.


          BTR-82A
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 2 March 2022 21: 10
            +5
            Let them collect. It would be strange if they didn't. Many? If I knew the exact amount of incoming equipment, we could draw conclusions. No matter how it sounds, losses are always planned. Sounded for the local beau monde. Who knows will understand.
            1. donavi49
              donavi49 2 March 2022 21: 11
              +8
              Agree. But here is the system. If before, local Tarasy pulled out useful things, rations, etc., and then burned them. Now it has been severely limited. They try to pull out each box and transfer it to the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 2 March 2022 21: 14
                +3
                Well, it's logical. All the same, someone remained in the Soviet school. Plus, indirectly, such a change speaks of a very successful destruction of logistics and warehouses.
              2. indy424
                indy424 3 March 2022 00: 23
                -6
                and what is the point of dragging soldering if overdue for 7 years?
          2. Paranoid50
            Paranoid50 2 March 2022 21: 12
            +17
            Quote: donavi49
            the main bet on benevolence did not work.

            This was understood after the first three days, and yesterday in Kherson this understanding was clearly demonstrated when local gopniks tried to indulge in shaitan water. As a result of the short-lived battle, the number of "ambushes" even slightly increased, albeit fragmentarily.
            1. alexmach
              alexmach 2 March 2022 21: 56
              0
              Interesting, what is it about them? Grads or NAR from helicopters?
              1. alexey sidykin
                alexey sidykin 2 March 2022 22: 56
                +2
                Quote: alexmach
                Interesting, what is it about them? Grads or NAR from helicopters?

                rather, they fired it from a large-caliber machine gun. Although FIG knows, I served in air defense.
          3. Vadim237
            Vadim237 2 March 2022 21: 17
            -14
            This is because there are no additional units to hold and control the occupied territory, there are no jump bases for supplying and evacuating abandoned equipment, and here are the results and all this is the simplicity and mediocrity of the command.
            1. Repellent
              Repellent 2 March 2022 21: 25
              +19
              Quote: Vadim237
              no jump bases for supply

              Don't talk nonsense.

              Quote: Vadim237
              all this is forgiveness and mediocrity of command

              Mayor, did you serve in the army, even as a private? "Forgiveness", damn it, the victim of the exam.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 2 March 2022 21: 44
                -7
                Imagine serving in the railway troops.
                1. Repellent
                  Repellent 2 March 2022 21: 48
                  +6
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  in the railway troops

                  Can you tell a rail from a sleeper? What is a crutch?
            2. vitvit123
              vitvit123 2 March 2022 21: 49
              +1
              Enough extra units! Some of them don't work at all! And if you don’t know for sure, then it’s better not to write or write that these are your guesses.
          4. Prjanik
            Prjanik 2 March 2022 21: 47
            +11
            And we have a lot of trophies from dill. For example, the latest acquisitions of the LPR under the freshly taken Novoaidar.





            On the footage you can see the BRDM-2L1, two BTR-80s, the Kozak-2 armored car, the Saxon AT105 armored personnel carrier and the T-64BV, which immediately entered the service of the new owners.
            Video on the channel of the People's Militia of the LPR.
          5. Chikua
            Chikua 2 March 2022 23: 10
            -3
            A downed Ka-52 during a landing operation on Gostomel.


            1. donavi49
              donavi49 2 March 2022 23: 24
              0
              No, these are two different helicopters. Look at the condition (landing on your belly with a broken chassis and on the chassis in Gostomel), as well as the type of suspensions, small details in color, the type of painting over the designation (in Gostomel it’s beautiful with black paint, but here it’s hastily and green with translucency and no traces black paint).



              And more importantly, Gostomelsky did not have filters, but the new one has them. Here we see turbines without filters. And the new ones have such black ones in the air ducts.
              1. Bshkaus
                Bshkaus 3 March 2022 00: 25
                -5
                No, these are two different helicopters. Look at the condition (landing on your belly with a broken chassis and on the chassis in Gostomel), as well as the type of suspensions, small details in the color, the type of painting of the designation

                Hmm ... I thought that 2 pieces were shot down: the second one is over the reservoir, the photo shows really different aircraft. so it turned out to be the third over the reservoir. Pay attention to the operation of the emergency escape system - the 2nd pilot did not get out ...
                1. Wildcat
                  Wildcat 3 March 2022 01: 18
                  +2
                  This, IMHO, is a photo above the water - the Ukrainian MiG 29, they dismantled it at Lostarmore.
                  1. Bshkaus
                    Bshkaus 3 March 2022 05: 08
                    +2
                    This, IMHO, is a photo above the water - the Ukrainian MiG 29, they dismantled it at Lostarmore.

                    No. On the 24th in the afternoon, they reported a downed helicopter in that place; in fact, I identified it as a ka52 by the parachutist.
                    The third was shot down on March 2 (one of two on the field). The MiG that you are talking about at that time (13-15 hours) was in a different place, namely, it covered the Ukrainian Su24, which worked on the first wave of landing in Gostomil. Those. floated over my head. The 1st extermination battle was on the 25th in the Vasilkov region, but my friend had already observed this ...
                    By the way, I did not understand what the cons are for? For the fact that I am sitting under shelling and cutting the truth of the uterus? You there completely dislocated virtual generals on the Internet, waging a war for 500-1000 km and sincerely believe that the Russian warrior is immortal because because ...
                    There are fierce battles and both sides naturally suffer losses.
                    1. Alexander Salenko
                      Alexander Salenko 3 March 2022 09: 53
                      0
                      Plus as compensation, I don’t know why to minus.
                    2. Wildcat
                      Wildcat 3 March 2022 12: 00
                      +1
                      A downed helicopter is another story. Look at Lostarmore, this photo is part of the video, there, IMHO, the plane is visible.
                2. Piramidon
                  Piramidon 3 March 2022 10: 00
                  0
                  Quote: Bshkaus
                  over the reservoir was the third

                  And how can you see that this is a Ka-52?
      3. Azis
        Azis 2 March 2022 21: 00
        +5
        Quote: donavi49
        On the loss of equipment in general
        What irons, it's a pity for people, there are not so many of them - we have young, active and reproductive left. The figures are still without taking into account the LDNR, FSVNG and others who are involved. I hope that the families of those killed in this operation will be paid without ordeals and, preferably, increased.
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      5. Dart2027
        Dart2027 2 March 2022 21: 22
        0
        Quote: donavi49
        90% of these losses - they ran out of fuel, they threw it away! 5% is stuck, abandoned. 5% all other reasons.

        Is the source of all this some Ukrainian sites? By chance, not those on which more of our soldiers have already been destroyed than they are available at all?
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 2 March 2022 21: 57
          +4
          Most of the equipment is abandoned. Usually there is no fuel in it. For example, one of the T-80U, which the grandfather at his "kolgospa" dismantled "From the cable to the rope, serve" - ​​was dry. Also, most MTLBs are also dry.

          However, the equipment that was abandoned falls into place, like a backwater and go. Here is the T-72B in 89, the therodefense lost its way.



          But the T-72B3 or T-80BVM (it is difficult to determine exactly by the body kit of the tower from above) - the villagers also took away.


          However, the vast majority of equipment in the video is without fuel, and this is noted. For example, they threw Shturm-S with 14 missiles, the solarium ran out.


          Or in the settlement - 2 BMP-3s, 1 T-72B with a visor and 1 T-72B3 were thrown without fuel, and this is clarified in the video "Zlyvaty nothing".
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 2 March 2022 21: 58
            -7
            Quote: Dart2027
            Is the source of all this some Ukrainian sites? By chance, not those on which more of our soldiers have already been destroyed than they are available at all?
          2. just exp
            just exp 3 March 2022 02: 17
            -6
            no words, and this army was going to fight with NATO.
            damn it, we can’t provide ourselves with fuel, the very fuel of which in the country is up to the point ...
            and everyone wonders why UAVs are not used about which all ears have been combed here, accurate weapons and the rest.
            To say I'm disappointed is an understatement.
            completely changed his mind about our army, and it's not my fault. it is the fault of those who carried out all this (praise to the fighters, shame on the rear and security)
      6. Gust
        Gust 2 March 2022 21: 25
        +6
        You have to pay for everything. Such a pace of advance involves actions in isolation from the logistics units, rembaz and other things. The Ministry of Defense considers the quick occupation of frontiers and life of l / s more important than the safety of equipment, and this pleases.
        1. Disant
          Disant 2 March 2022 22: 47
          +6
          The Ministry of Defense considers the quick occupation of frontiers and life of l / s more important than the safety of equipment, and this pleases.

          How do you connect these two ends?
          these are holes in planning, and they should not be covered by opposing the lives of soldiers against the safety of equipment.
          in a couple of weeks, with such a position, you will have to fight already naked zho.pp.oy
          1. Gust
            Gust 2 March 2022 23: 28
            0
            Name at least one war that went completely according to plan. And yes, Ukraine is a huge country, with a strong army, partly modern weapons. The US + coalition took Iraq in 2003 for 20 days, with incomparably large resources, without ceremony with either the Iraqi Armed Forces or civilians, leveling entire areas with the ground, outnumbering the Iraqi army one and a half times.
          2. Nastia makarova
            Nastia makarova 3 March 2022 07: 11
            +1
            the main thing is people and technology is still riveting
          3. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 3 March 2022 09: 15
            +2
            The Americans in Western Europe in 1944 set up a logistic base for every 30-40 ki, the Israelis in 1967 sent a second echelon of repairmen. But, in the latter case, the distances are not comparable.
            1. Repellent
              Repellent 3 March 2022 09: 31
              -1
              Quote: Krasnodar
              The Americans in Western Europe in 1944 set up a logistics base for every 30-40 ki, the Israelis in 1967 the second echelon of pearl repairmen

              And there, and there was stripped and guarded rear. In Ukraine, this is not the case, and individual representatives of the "conditionally peaceful" population, as experience shows, willingly loot and burn abandoned equipment.

              Put repairmen's bases there and they'll burn them too. Or each such base must be guarded, like that Khmeimim, which is also not an option.

              Exclusively my opinion.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 3 March 2022 09: 54
                0
                Yes, I agree, it makes sense
        2. Garris199
          Garris199 2 March 2022 23: 01
          +2
          What is the meaning of this pace? Technique to throw away from the border? Hand over to the enemy or leave for destruction? Oreration "Y" or something goes?
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 3 March 2022 09: 16
            +3
            Quote: Garris199
            What is the meaning of this pace?

            Prevent the Armed Forces from organizing
        3. just exp
          just exp 3 March 2022 02: 18
          +2
          But why, repair services with all sorts of ARVs and other special equipment, fuel trucks and so on, is this a curiosity with us and have never heard of this?
      7. Charik
        Charik 2 March 2022 21: 33
        0
        are these villagers on such tractors?
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 2 March 2022 22: 04
          +4
          Why not? There are good agricultural holdings with top-end equipment. This is rich Chernihiv and Sumy regions.

          Well, there is a better one.



          Now every self-respecting village has its own armored group.
          1. Incvizitor
            Incvizitor 3 March 2022 00: 13
            0
            The Russian Federation has enough tanks, the main thing is that people are safe. Moreover, they don’t throw MCs
            1. just exp
              just exp 3 March 2022 02: 19
              +3
              because there is no MSok, otherwise they would have been abandoned.
          2. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 3 March 2022 09: 21
            +2
            At once, the collective farms are crushed with an armored train. ))
      8. lucul
        lucul 2 March 2022 21: 34
        +2
        According to the loss of equipment, in general, buttocks - 500 boxes with photos and videos on Oryx (an analogue of Lostarmor, only faster and more convenient) were counted.

        This suggests that the quality of equipment needs to be increased, but the mileage traveled is also impressive.
      9. kirosi
        kirosi 2 March 2022 22: 09
        0
        if anyone is worried about the amount of lost equipment, then I recently read somewhere here, maybe here that Soviet tanks (possibly with armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles, etc., or perhaps only tanks, I don’t remember) were in storage (and most of them are among those that are used now) about 16,5 thousand ..
  6. ALEXX.
    ALEXX. 2 March 2022 20: 21
    +17
    Sorry guys. Everlasting memory.
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 2 March 2022 20: 39
      +34
      Quote: ALEXX.
      Sorry guys. Everlasting memory.

      And eternal glory!

      1. opuonmed
        opuonmed 2 March 2022 21: 04
        +5
        current there is a jamb in the fact that for 8 years the purges have passed and they have installed their SBU and the Natsiks
      2. zloybond
        zloybond 2 March 2022 21: 58
        +3
        Yes, judging by the information from Mariupol, they (the Nazis) rounded up the civilian population there in order to hide behind hard. It's a real challenge when there are civilians around.
        1. Alexander Salenko
          Alexander Salenko 3 March 2022 10: 00
          0
          This is terrorism and the appropriate specialists are needed.
  7. Vasily Onischuk
    Vasily Onischuk 2 March 2022 20: 22
    +29
    There are many of us. Eternal memory to them and rest in peace. But this is still carelessness and naivety of the first days. They did not expect that the brains of the population were so killed by dill propaganda. And according to Ukrainian losses .. 2800, these are apparently those that ours picked up on the battlefield at the moment. Excluding missile and air strikes.
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 2 March 2022 20: 46
      0
      Quote: Vasily Onischuk
      And according to Ukrainian losses .. 2800, these are apparently those that ours picked up on the battlefield at the moment. Excluding missile and air strikes

      Among the Ukrainian nationalists and military personnel, the losses are more than 2 killed and about 870 wounded.
      Vzglad.ru
      Only according to confirmed data, the number of captured military personnel of the law enforcement agencies of Ukraine is 572 people.
      TV channel 360°
      PS Few! Unfortunately, not enough! For every dead Russian, 10 solderings must be destroyed!
      1. Vasily Onischuk
        Vasily Onischuk 2 March 2022 21: 07
        +6
        So this is confirmed data. Blows are applied all over Ukraine. There is no way to collect and count. In the zone of active hostilities, the corpses have not yet been collected either. It is not known how the Ministry of Defense considers the Ukrainian military. only those who died from the actions of the Russian army directly, or from the army of the republics too. Most likely the first. They count only our losses and subject losses from the actions of our Armed Forces, without taking into account the republics. It is not clear how they consider, and whether they consider at all, the losses of the defense. This is not the Armed Forces of Ukraine and not the national battalions.
        1. Incvizitor
          Incvizitor 3 March 2022 00: 15
          +2
          They will count when the boiler is finished, there is a lot there.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 2 March 2022 21: 19
        -10
        This is not just a little, it’s very few that the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Nazis now have at least 500000 personnel, this is not counting the terrorists and numerous other scumbags throughout Ukraine.
        1. vitvit123
          vitvit123 2 March 2022 21: 50
          +6
          They forgot to add zero .. it will be even cooler!
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    3. Prosha
      Prosha 2 March 2022 21: 29
      +7
      Well, what kind of children’s conclusions are you going for a walk in the park, which means you didn’t expect it, you went to the same people like yourself, or do you think that if they come to us to put things in order with weapons, we will sit at home? They went to carry out a combat mission and were obliged to take all possible measures to protect the columns on the marches and outposts, and support.
      It is clear that there will be losses, but the valor of the commanders is to avoid losses if possible and fulfill the BR.
    4. 2я19
      2я19 2 March 2022 22: 25
      +5
      You and I can't wait, maybe the neighbor's grandmother can't wait. The commanding and commanding staff must expect! And the higher the rank and position, the more to expect, assume and find the right solutions!
    5. Garris199
      Garris199 2 March 2022 23: 24
      +1
      Carelessness, naivety, did not expect.
      Kindergarten, right? Why the General Staff, intelligence, analysts? What are all these people doing?
  8. 2я19
    2я19 2 March 2022 20: 23
    -33
    Your mother, comrade generals! 500 people in a week of fighting! What are you preparing for, fools?
    1. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 2 March 2022 20: 28
      +8
      Not for carpet bombing for sure. It is possible with less than in RAKKA.
      1. 2я19
        2я19 2 March 2022 21: 05
        +2
        The fact that it is not for carpets is understandable! Why? How were you going to fight? What were majors and colonels prepared for? To attacks on unsuppressed anti-tank guns? To ambushes in urban areas? To the fact that the enemy will tremble and run? And if the enemy's air defense had successfully repulsed, then what would have happened? No, comrades, you can’t fight like that in the 21st century, you can’t plan, prepare and organize like that - this is incompetence in its purest form! And the kingdom of heaven to the warriors!
        1. raw174
          raw174 2 March 2022 21: 31
          +3
          Quote: 2я19
          No, comrades, you can’t fight like that in the 21st century, you can’t plan, prepare and organize like that - this is incompetence in its purest form!

          Dear, why are you not at the General Staff? This is a war with a large, well-trained army, whose weapons were supplied by the whole West. Ukrainians have been preparing for war for 8 years.
          1. 2я19
            2я19 2 March 2022 21: 46
            -1
            Because I would have planned and organized even worse! And under my leadership, the losses would not have been 500, but 5000! That is why I spin the steering wheel in civilian life and do not send anyone into battle! And no one pays with life and health for my mistakes!
            1. raw174
              raw174 2 March 2022 21: 51
              +2
              Quote: 2я19
              Because I would have planned and organized even worse!

              Well, maybe you shouldn't judge? It is not necessary to accuse others of incompetence, so categorically?
              1. 2я19
                2я19 2 March 2022 21: 59
                0
                Or maybe someone is out of place? You can’t trust him with a regiment, but is he in the generals? I'm coping in my place, not without mistakes, but coping.
                1. raw174
                  raw174 2 March 2022 22: 11
                  +1
                  So the RF Armed Forces are coping. There can be no war without losses. Losses are not catastrophic. This has not yet been told to us by the losses of the LDNR, the Russian Guard, PMCs ...
              2. 2я19
                2я19 2 March 2022 22: 17
                -3
                Of course I shouldn't judge! You shouldn't judge! Let's remember forever the young, who were the color of the nation and disperse! Take care of your head, the sand can be hard too...
            2. Alex Nevs
              Alex Nevs 3 March 2022 11: 19
              -1
              And I'm on the "clave vayuyu." Therefore, not in the General Staff.
        2. kirosi
          kirosi 2 March 2022 22: 15
          +1
          who are you military? Where are you? sit on the sofa. as soon as the conscience is enough!
          And in general, any discussion of such issues, whether competent or not, should definitely be postponed until the moment when the operation is over.
          1. 2я19
            2я19 2 March 2022 23: 02
            0
            If organizational conclusions are not made promptly on personnel, then the operation may end in different ways and at different times, and the price may be different!
            1. Alexander Salenko
              Alexander Salenko 3 March 2022 10: 06
              +1
              Maybe, but the most combat-ready grouping of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the boiler. it will not go anywhere from there, if the politicians, of course, do not surrender, but they should not. And they are not rarely under ... whether the military. And there are definitely seventy thousand in the cauldron. What will they do when BC and fuel run out? And there are already problems with this, and I remind you that in 2015 there was a shortage from large calibers to grenade launchers.
          2. alexey sidykin
            alexey sidykin 2 March 2022 23: 04
            +3
            Quote from kirosi
            who are you military? Where are you? sit on the sofa. as soon as the conscience is enough!
            And in general, any discussion of such issues, whether competent or not, should definitely be postponed until the moment when the operation is over.

            yes, it's completely complete. Such a meeting that a bunch of amateurs gathered on a computer to shoot and judge.
      2. opuonmed
        opuonmed 2 March 2022 21: 08
        0
        and maybe the people of the Internet of the people were to arrange cancer all over Ukraine, while throwing flyers of the plane so that they would not leave, well, if we start to lose more, then we’ll have to do it along the way! unfortunately we have lost this generation, not all of course the nationalists who have the hero Bandera in power!
        1. Alexander Salenko
          Alexander Salenko 3 March 2022 10: 09
          0
          It is necessary to work here, but how, if not everything is thank God with your youth? And you can work, for example, like this. Here is the boy Petya. For example, who was your great-grandfather? Find photos and point your finger - see who he fought against?
          Look how Ukrainians and Russians built one mighty state, tell about Chancellor Bezborodko, Hetman Razumovsky, who became the husband of the Empress, about the sailor Koshka, who defended Sevastopol with the same sailors but with Russian surnames Show real Ukrainian heroes of the Second World War, such as Kozhedub.
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    3. raw174
      raw174 2 March 2022 20: 35
      +23
      Quote: 2я19
      Your mother, comrade generals! 500 people in a week of fighting! What are you preparing for, fools?

      And what, they promised a run? This is a large company, with a vast geography in completely enemy territory, plus everything, our aircraft do not operate in residential areas.
      The main thing is that, as a result, the goals are achieved, so that these deaths are not in vain.
    4. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 2 March 2022 20: 35
      +21
      Quote: 2я19
      Your mother, comrade generals! 500 people in a week of fighting! What are you preparing for, fools?

      First, eternal memory and glory to our soldiers.
      Secondly, we are fighting against, in fact, yesterday's Russians.
      Until recently, I hoped that we would economically begin to strangle Ukraine. But that means Russia was left with no choice. A real threat to the security of the Russian Federation has arisen.
      I regret that I stopped writing on this site about the phenomenon of "Russian-speaking Bandera". I thought that more than three dozen publications are enough. During the period 2013-2019. Including the old profile.
      Maybe I didn't write enough. I wanted to convey the idea that Western Ukraine is not strange, even a little safer, because there is more of a rural-merchant helpful element. Moveable.
      I sincerely wish our Russian soldiers fortitude and courage. Victory.
      1. Leonidych
        Leonidych 2 March 2022 21: 16
        -8
        Yes, they were brainwashed very strongly. There was hope that they would meet with flowers, but they shoot in the back. This is all very bad. But everything will change when we put things in order there, when the prices for gas, for gasoline will be the same as in Belarus, or in Belarus, when plants and factories start working, when they start building rockets, planes, ships, cars again. then the attitude will change drastically.
    5. dnestr74
      dnestr74 2 March 2022 20: 40
      +18
      What are you comparing to? With Chechen companies? So there are no gangs with RPGs. When did our army fight with an approximately equal enemy?
      Glory to the fallen, but this is war.
    6. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 2 March 2022 20: 46
      +10
      Really? 80 percent died in the first two days. Occupying bridgeheads. Do you want to do it? Slowly advancing from the border for two years?
      1. Jager
        Jager 2 March 2022 21: 42
        -5
        I don’t understand one thing - first, all potentially dangerous points of resistance outside the cities in the area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbbridgeheads should be showered with ODABs and artillery. And then the clashes of the First World War.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 2 March 2022 21: 49
          +3
          Tempted to throw. For them, this is death and you will not find them in the field. They are constantly rubbing against settlements. And this is the problem.
          1. Jager
            Jager 2 March 2022 22: 10
            -2
            With our wealth of experience in maintaining a database for smoking out such figures, is this a problem?
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 2 March 2022 23: 35
              +2
              If the civilian population is not saved, then no. And so it binds the hands very much.
        2. Alexander Salenko
          Alexander Salenko 3 March 2022 10: 14
          0
          There is nothing like WWI, and it’s close what you are talking about. Is there a positional crisis somewhere?
    7. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 2 March 2022 21: 14
      +7
      Quote: 2я19
      mediocrity?

      Another alternative gifted... am
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    9. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 March 2022 21: 26
      -3
      Apparently, they are, namely, the absence in the columns of Shilok to cover hinged armored screens and lattice anti-cumulative screens on armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles; the absence of night vision devices on the helmets of the fighters in the standard equipment on the fighters of the RSHG RMG RPO; the absence of the use of UAVs before advancing and advancing through enemy territory, the limited use of the airborne forces and in many other ways prepared for everything but not for military operations.
      1. 2я19
        2я19 2 March 2022 21: 35
        0
        That's what we're talking about! Uncles with heavy stars worked very poorly and I see no reason to be silent about it, moreover, it is simply criminal to be silent about it!
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 2 March 2022 22: 05
          +4
          With such generals and planners of operations, we will not pull any big war with NATO. And the fool understands that to control such a vast territory and rear to keep 164000 nichrome is not enough, at least 200000 more National Guardsmen and another 100000 Chechens would be requested from Ramzan. But as always, everything is at random - maybe they won’t fire at it, maybe we’ll quickly capture it without cover, maybe they’ll lay down their weapons, and so on, and the result is hundreds of pieces of equipment lost and hundreds of people killed and 1600 wounded - it’s sad to admit it, but Ukraine is turning into a new Chechnya of the 90s for us half of the population is extremely negative about our troops of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, consider it does not give up - 570 prisoners in 6 days out of 300000 personnel is simply ridiculous, the West is already transferring weapons and mercenaries to the border from Poland, and this supply will only increase every day, just like the number of embittered people in Ukraine.
          1. Demon_is_ada
            Demon_is_ada 3 March 2022 01: 47
            -1
            Where do you get such figures? belay
            The APU has about 120000 in total, about 55000 are already sitting in the boiler.
            And as for the negatively-minded population, there are 15-20% of them screaming like ours, who portray the "voice of the people", the rest are wildly scared.
        2. kirosi
          kirosi 2 March 2022 22: 17
          -4
          but I think you're just the one. who was called an alarmist, who deliberately confuses people! It’s a crime for him, you see, a specialist and a smart guy were found.
    10. lucul
      lucul 2 March 2022 21: 27
      +1
      Your mother, comrade generals! 500 people in a week of fighting! What are you preparing for, fools?

      Have you seen the occupied territories on the map? And this is in 5 days. Even just during exercises, 1-2 people can die from inconsistency, and here a whole operation at the army level.
      These losses are the result of an order not to anger the local population.
      And yes - these losses will be stupid if we give Ukraine back.
      1. alexey sidykin
        alexey sidykin 2 March 2022 23: 12
        0
        Quote: lucul
        Your mother, comrade generals! 500 people in a week of fighting! What are you preparing for, fools?

        Have you seen the occupied territories on the map? And this is in 5 days. Even just during exercises, 1-2 people can die from inconsistency, and here a whole operation at the army level.
        These losses are the result of an order not to anger the local population.
        And yes - these losses will be stupid if we give Ukraine back.

        I don't think they were even interested in such details.
        1. Wasiliy kostrow
          Wasiliy kostrow 3 March 2022 00: 31
          -1
          There should be few generals and each one worth its weight in gold.
    11. zloybond
      zloybond 2 March 2022 21: 48
      +7
      You still do not confuse. There, a large Army opposes (these are not geyropian liberals), there are combat-ready units, they have a motivation to fight - otherwise a military tribunal is a rope around the neck. They understand that they are cornered like rats. This is not a gang of Basmachi and not Papuans with bows. They also studied, they were trained and armed not with slingshots. Considering that they are also hiding behind the population, the situation becomes more complicated. War is not a walk or a parade.
  9. Vista401
    Vista401 2 March 2022 20: 25
    +4
    These are big losses. Even according to MO there are more real ones. Some of the bodies are still just not picked up. Some are not identified. Lots of bodies on the Ukrainian side. There are still losses at the Ministry of Internal Affairs at the Russian Guard. You can generally keep silent about PMCs - they do not appear on the lists.
    So they took it on a whim. And please note the small number of prisoners. And recently they announced an allegedly whole air defense regiment that surrendered !!!.
    Earth rest in peace, eternal memory
    1. zloybond
      zloybond 2 March 2022 20: 34
      +16
      don't forget LDNR. - They don't dig potatoes there either.
    2. Flooding
      Flooding 2 March 2022 20: 43
      +5
      Quote from Vista401
      Even according to MO there are more real ones. Some of the bodies are still just not picked up. Some are not identified. Lots of bodies on the Ukrainian side. There are still losses at the Ministry of Internal Affairs at the Russian Guard.

      write that not all are counted
      then let's get down to business
      do you have other data?
      show and prove
      Are you going to refute official information with empty chatter?
      1. zloybond
        zloybond 2 March 2022 21: 24
        -2
        The man simply clarified that the Department of Defense accounted for itself if I understood his clarification correctly.
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 2 March 2022 21: 30
          +4
          Quote: zloybond
          The man simply clarified that the Department of Defense accounted for itself if I understood his clarification correctly.

          this is not called clarification, but stuffing
          Quote from Vista401
          Even according to MO there are more real ones. Some of the bodies are still just not picked up. Some are not identified. Lots of bodies on the Ukrainian side.

          there is information - write on the case
          No? nothing to invent
    3. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 2 March 2022 20: 47
      +2
      There is no PMC there now. In an army operation, they are one harm.
      1. Vista401
        Vista401 2 March 2022 22: 05
        -1
        How are you all so smart? And I assure you there is. My best friend recruited there on February 5 for a training camp in Kingisepp, on February 17 it was already near Belgorod, and on February 23 he called me and said that they were coming. There is no more information. He was recruited through the union of veterans, since he participated in the first Chechen war as a conscript for 2000 bucks. Insurance for 5 iln rub. Received an advance, bought the uniform for themselves
        I hope I convinced you?.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 2 March 2022 23: 36
          -4
          You can believe in anything. I don't interfere with this.
        2. Demon_is_ada
          Demon_is_ada 3 March 2022 01: 55
          -3
          Quote from Vista401
          zp 2000 bucks. Insurance for 5 iln rub

          In a week I hope? laughing
    4. Shahno
      Shahno 2 March 2022 21: 13
      -21
      Well, basically, it's the same as always. 5000 according to the Ukrainian version, 500 according to the RF Ministry of Defense. The real losses lie somewhere between...
      If the guerrilla war drags on for a month + Well, in general, it’s clear where it’s going.
      1. Jager
        Jager 2 March 2022 21: 45
        +1
        If you count together with everyone - the LDNR, the Armed Forces and law enforcement agencies, it will probably come out that way, maybe a little less.
      2. vitvit123
        vitvit123 2 March 2022 21: 53
        +2
        Clear you are ours .. some talents from the other side ..
        1. Shahno
          Shahno 2 March 2022 21: 59
          -10
          Well, well.... I'm on the wrong side. Today I will have to send money to my parents so that they can live in Russia on their pension ... to be honest, I’m not sure of anything.
          And whose duty is it to ensure a dignified old age for citizens, huh?
          Or do you only care about the inhabitants of Donbass ...
          1. vitvit123
            vitvit123 3 March 2022 07: 45
            0
            I have three pensioners - proletarians live freely without my help! Send silently, tk. It has always been that everyone has different prosperity, and now you are presenting it in a negative context!
            Moreover, why don’t you send a lot of money, but they are immediately millionaires here! You are good! And you do not need to worry about Russia, you are our compassionate!
      3. Flooding
        Flooding 2 March 2022 22: 34
        +3
        Quote: Shahno
        Well, basically, it's the same as always. 5000 according to the Ukrainian version, 500 according to the RF Ministry of Defense.

        and how often does the MO underestimate losses?
        you wrote "as always"
        1. Shahno
          Shahno 2 March 2022 22: 38
          -8
          Uh, I didn’t seem to be talking about underestimating losses from the RF Ministry of Defense. There is also the Russian Guard, PMCs, just not confirmed.
          Yes, and from the experience of previous wars, real losses are underestimated ...
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 2 March 2022 22: 43
            +3
            Quote: Shahno
            Uh, I didn’t seem to be talking about underestimating losses from the RF Ministry of Defense. There is also the Russian Guard, PMCs, just not confirmed.

            didn't talk here?
            Quote: Shahno
            Well, basically, it's the same as always. 5000 according to the Ukrainian version, 500 according to the RF Ministry of Defense. The real losses lie somewhere in between..

            Or has it not been said elsewhere?
            1. Shahno
              Shahno 2 March 2022 22: 57
              -6
              Okay. Maybe he didn’t put it that way .... Official is a hard minimum that will only grow in the conditions of hostilities. Is there any data on the losses of the DPR and LPR groups? Do they belong to the structure of the RF Ministry of Defense?
              1. Flooding
                Flooding 2 March 2022 23: 03
                +1
                Quote: Shahno
                Is there any data on the losses of the DPR and LPR groups? Do they belong to the structure of the RF Ministry of Defense?

                weird question
                Is the LPR and DPR part of Russia?
                1. Shahno
                  Shahno 2 March 2022 23: 08
                  -7
                  Well, so what am I talking about ... And what do you think, on the Ukrainian side, they distinguish between belonging to structures ... That's where the number 5000 comes from.
                  1. Flooding
                    Flooding 2 March 2022 23: 35
                    +5
                    Quote: Shahno
                    And what do you think, from the Ukrainian side, they distinguish between belonging to structures ... From there, the number 5000.

                    the Ukrainian side was caught in a lie so many times that it makes no sense to seriously discuss the number announced by it
    5. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 2 March 2022 21: 16
      +2
      Quote from Vista401
      Some of the bodies are still just not picked up. Some are not identified. Many bodies on the Ukrainian side

      Well, here is the first body of candidates for a new article. am Ready to prove it, fresh with a smell?
      1. Vista401
        Vista401 2 March 2022 22: 08
        -6
        Did I write wrong? Open the Internet and see, or can you only squeal URA from fear on military review?
    6. Dart2027
      Dart2027 2 March 2022 21: 25
      +1
      Quote from Vista401
      And recently they announced an allegedly whole air defense regiment that surrendered !!!.

      Surrendered release under a subscription about non-participation in the further DB.
    7. Alexander Salenko
      Alexander Salenko 3 March 2022 10: 17
      +1
      There are really few prisoners
  10. T.A.V.
    T.A.V. 2 March 2022 20: 25
    +22
    Rest in peace to you, warriors! With your lives you pave the way for the destruction of this brown reptile! Strength and patience to relatives and friends!
  11. VLAD-96
    VLAD-96 2 March 2022 20: 27
    0
    Quote: 2я19
    Your mother, comrade generals! 500 people in a week of fighting! What are you preparing for, fools?

    This is such a military operation and there they wet each other for good reason! Without losses, it is not possible to carry out a ground operation (until a worthy replacement for people has been invented).
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 2 March 2022 20: 51
      +4
      Quote: VLAD-96
      Quote: 2я19
      Your mother, comrade generals! 500 people in a week of fighting! What are you preparing for, fools?

      This is such a military operation and there they wet each other for good reason! Without losses, it is not possible to carry out a ground operation (until a worthy replacement for people has been invented).

      Of course, if they acted like the Yankees in Korea, Vietnam, Yugoslavia, Iraq, demolishing all settlements with carpet bombing to the foundation, there would be much less losses. But we have other goals. Humanity is costly.
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      2. poquello
        poquello 2 March 2022 21: 56
        +1
        Quote: Piramidon
        Of course, if they acted like the Yankees in Korea

        "According to the most conservative estimates, American troops lost about 54 thousand soldiers and officers in Korea"
  12. zloybond
    zloybond 2 March 2022 20: 28
    +25
    Today, the ala expert Sivkov on Radio Solovyov, in response to the question of losses, said that it was just some kind of sanitary losses there. It would be better to be silent. The soldiers and officers heroically, with honor, fulfilled their duty, and this comrade with shit mixed the heroic death of an airborne officer who blew himself up in battle with sanitary losses. Just a man turned in his eyes. The people of the Army and Navy are proud and will be proud. The main thing is not to confuse it with misleading. It just looked like a Ukrainian fake gun. Governors officially express their condolences to family families. Kadyrov, Kondratiev, Bryansky, Saratov... But then some kind of "expert" mixed the feat with a fake. It was so embarrassing to listen to. Excuse me for this - but it's just ... I can't even find words. Those who wish can watch it on YouTube. Theme "American intelligence center taken....
    Heroes eternal memory!
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 2 March 2022 21: 06
      +1
      Quote: zloybond
      Today, the ala expert Sivkov on Radio Solovyov, in response to the question of losses, said that it was just some kind of sanitary losses there. It would be better to be silent.

      Here is a video (about sanitary losses from 5:38):

      Something I didn’t notice that he mixed someone up there ... He’s not the right person ...
      1. zloybond
        zloybond 2 March 2022 21: 17
        +2
        Start with 5 minutes, about the question of losses ..... well, these are sanitary losses. a truck ran over, something fell on it, got sick, etc. ..... And now compare what he said and what the MO voiced. This is not an expert, this is already a fake.
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 2 March 2022 21: 22
          -2
          Quote: zloybond
          Start with 5 minutes, about the question of losses.

          And what made you angry? There is no mockery there ... No need to stain a person with dirt ...
          1. zloybond
            zloybond 2 March 2022 21: 27
            +5
            Are you proving that almost 500 people were hit by a truck, something fell there, fell ill and died.... ???? it was said directly - there are small sanitary losses. The question has been asked. If you can't answer, shut up. Say I don’t have information, I’m not authorized, it’s classified .... but it’s not about sanitary losses, that’s for sure.
            1. Ross xnumx
              Ross xnumx 2 March 2022 21: 31
              0
              Quote: zloybond
              Are you proving that a truck ran over almost 500 people, something fell there, he got sick and died ....

              And who told you that he was talking about combat losses? It is quite possible that at the time of the shooting he had other information ... I'm telling you seriously - stop raising a squabble on people's grief and blaming seemingly uninvolved people ...
        2. Jager
          Jager 2 March 2022 21: 50
          +2
          Listen, they also have certain "settings" of what can be said and what is better to get around with general phrases until otherwise is allowed, and even more so such a complex issue as losses.
      2. Cjiobo
        Cjiobo 2 March 2022 21: 22
        +3
        Sanitary losses 0.1%. Is it 500 people, one tenth of a percent? Do we have a 500k group there?
        1. alexey sidykin
          alexey sidykin 2 March 2022 23: 17
          0
          Quote: CJIOBO
          Sanitary losses 0.1%. Is it 500 people, one tenth of a percent? Do we have a 500k group there?

          Do you already count the wounded?
    2. Stepan S
      Stepan S 2 March 2022 21: 25
      +4
      But then some kind of "expert" mixed the feat with a fake.

      I also listened to this "expert", it was disgusting to hear when the losses were already known to everyone. And this one flooded like a nightingale, fu .., I even left a comment for them. These are the experts, former captains of the 1st rank.
  13. Angestyr
    Angestyr 2 March 2022 20: 28
    +27
    Eternal memory to the heroes



    And a speedy recovery to the wounded
  14. Vista401
    Vista401 2 March 2022 20: 28
    -44
    Well, who needs such a bloody operation? NATO, after all, on the rimer of Serbia showed how it is necessary to put the stubborn on their knees.
    Just destroy the economic infrastructure.
    1. MrFox
      MrFox 2 March 2022 20: 38
      0
      this infrastructure is being destroyed. And the West is destroying ours.

      In general, everything is in business
    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 2 March 2022 20: 50
      +10
      Do better ep. Perform an operation of this level with less loss. Can you? Then sit silently. This is reality. Should they kill the economy? Maybe even crush hail at home?
      1. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 2 March 2022 21: 19
        +4
        Quote: carstorm 11
        Maybe even crush hail at home?

        Dmitry, do not dream, she-bo, past the cash register - this is a gallant fresh reg-provocateur. Tomorrow it will be gone.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 2 March 2022 21: 21
          +2
          Yes, they are already angry. I would like to discuss with those who at least understand something, but how it will run ...
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    3. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 2 March 2022 21: 19
      +4
      Quote from Vista401
      how to bring the stubborn to their knees.

      So, everything is clear - a provocateur, although not far off. am This can be taken down.
      1. alexey sidykin
        alexey sidykin 2 March 2022 23: 19
        -1
        Quote: Paranoid50
        Quote from Vista401
        how to bring the stubborn to their knees.

        So, everything is clear - a provocateur, although not far off. am This can be taken down.

        and it’s not him alone here there’s such a thing to a fig and more, there are no direct printed words
    4. Jager
      Jager 2 March 2022 21: 53
      +1
      Do you propose breaking up dams, power plants, factories, transport hubs? This is some kind of genocide. And we are not barbarians. And the goals of the operation are completely different.
      It was THEY who blocked the water for THEIR SAME in the Crimea.
      1. Alexander Salenko
        Alexander Salenko 3 March 2022 10: 22
        +1
        Water, this is bad for the north of Crimea, for example, in Simferopol we also experienced problems with water, but the reason was not in the canal, but in the drought. But when the light was cut, Simferopol survived nothing, and so there was a complete ambush People cooked food on fires in winter.
  15. Cotton Colorado
    Cotton Colorado 2 March 2022 20: 28
    +8
    Recovery to the wounded, rest in peace and eternal memory to the dead!
  16. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 2 March 2022 20: 29
    +8
    Everlasting memory!
    God rest their souls.
    Condolences to family and friends.
    Our wars died for the sake of the future of our Russia!
  17. kirosi
    kirosi 2 March 2022 20: 29
    +13
    Ukrainians must answer in full for the blood of our guys.
  18. t-12
    t-12 2 March 2022 20: 30
    +14
    Ukrainian troops lost 2870 people killed
    more than 570 Ukrainian soldiers were taken prisoner by Russian troops.

    This means that the Ukrainians are not particularly surrendering to captivity.
    1. faiver
      faiver 2 March 2022 21: 18
      +8
      8 years have not been in vain, Strelkov is right - in 2014 you had to go
      1. Vasily Krylov
        Vasily Krylov 3 March 2022 00: 56
        0
        There was no one to enter. As in Chechnya, in Ossetia at the initial stage, as in Syria, remember the military airfield, with the equipment lined up along the line, the so-called caponiers there - now. "We thought it was better, but it turned out as always." This message tears the soul. 500 families visited grief. There are so few of us. And such a mediocre leadership. , for unjustified losses, physical punishment, like the Cossacks. Eternal glory, and eternal memory to the best men of Russia. Sincerely, Krylov.
      2. Alexander Salenko
        Alexander Salenko 3 March 2022 10: 22
        0
        Were not prepared economically
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 March 2022 21: 29
      +3
      Or rather, they do not give up at all looking at such ridiculous numbers.
    3. Prosha
      Prosha 2 March 2022 21: 38
      +4
      Quote: t-12
      So the Ukrainians don’t really surrender

      Didn't you grow up in the same country? The mentality is the same, and the propaganda is not the worst, it’s the stubborn ones who fight with the women, and the normal boys fight normally, their landmarks are shot down, and the characters are the same as ours.
  19. ALARI
    ALARI 2 March 2022 20: 31
    +1
    100 people a day, 100 families without fathers and sons, 20% of the wounded are disabled - the results of the week of the war and the end is not yet in sight.
    1. Bad Pig (Ham)
      Bad Pig (Ham) 2 March 2022 20: 47
      +7
      tell Bandera about families without fathers and children ... about THEIR families
      how many they have already killed and how many people would have been killed if they were given free rein ...
      the abscess matured and had to be cut alive
      1. ALARI
        ALARI 2 March 2022 20: 52
        -6
        I tell Russians about Russians, about Bandera, and for Bandera, enlighten them yourself.
        - the abscess matured and had to be cut on the living - only the doctor immediately cut off his finger.
        1. Bad Pig (Ham)
          Bad Pig (Ham) 2 March 2022 21: 00
          -2
          no, not a finger ... the doctor himself removes the appendix, which threatens to kill the whole body with peritonitis ...
          history is written with iron and blood, and right now the history of the new great Russia is being written
          watch banderlog ... see how a new EMPIRE is born ...
          you could be a part of it but you chose bander fascists and lgbt...
          well, as always, we will not stand behind the price
          1. ALARI
            ALARI 2 March 2022 21: 05
            +4
            Maybe enough slogans already? We don't have enough people to make it all come true. People do not need an EMPIRE, they just want to live and be happy.
            1. Bad Pig (Ham)
              Bad Pig (Ham) 2 March 2022 21: 10
              +1
              these are not slogans - this is an objective reality ... you are scribbling manuals about "just live and enjoy"
              why in Donetsk and Luhansk for 8 years they did not let people just live and be happy?
              answer banderlog
              1. ALARI
                ALARI 2 March 2022 21: 29
                -5
                And it’s YOU who don’t ask me such questions and not to those who no longer answer, but to those who at 14 gave hope, and then took it away and only now remembered.
                1. Bad Pig (Ham)
                  Bad Pig (Ham) 2 March 2022 21: 54
                  0
                  how to understand the phrase
                  gave hope, and then took it away and only now remembered.

                  did you give or take away? and maybe all the same, the hopes of people have finally come true?
                  you forget that since the age of 14 they have been trying to negotiate and resolve the issue without bloodshed...minsk1...minsk2...why are you silent about this banderlog? you banderlog wanted to kill Russians, you wanted to drive them into concentration camps ... you wanted war ... you got it
                  No wonder you have a rat in your avatar...
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 2 March 2022 22: 21
                    +2
                    Quote: Bad Pig (Ham)
                    you forget that from the age of 14 they tried to negotiate and resolve the issue without bloodshed ... minsk1 ... minsk2 ..

                    And there would be no blood if the LDNR were immediately taken into Russia, like Crimea, and would not be engaged in stupid agreements with Bandera.
                    1. Bad Pig (Ham)
                      Bad Pig (Ham) 2 March 2022 22: 33
                      -1
                      And there would be no blood

                      wouldn't it be? Well, well ... but forget about the rest? forget about Odessa, Kharkov and others?
                      according to your logic, then it was necessary to immediately take the lions, and this is the same war as now ... but then they were not ready for it
                      hoped that there would be adequate people, and insane fascists came to power
                      wars begin when diplomatic methods have already been exhausted
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 2 March 2022 22: 54
                        +2
                        Quote: Bad Pig (Ham)
                        wouldn't it be? Oh well..

                        What, well, well? The same Crimea began to bomb?
                        As for Odessa and Kharkov, let them hold referendums on independence there as well.
                        Quote: Bad Pig (Ham)
                        according to your logic, then it was necessary to immediately take the lions

                        Fuck it is not needed, this Lviv.
                        Quote: Bad Pig (Ham)
                        then they were not ready for it

                        Yeah, they ran to Assad, run in the Aerospace Forces, destroy the barmaley on the distant approaches. Yes, so briskly that they actually destroyed the "Admiral Kuznetsov". Why wasn’t he prepared for the current operation?
                        Quote: Bad Pig (Ham)
                        hoped that there would be adequate people, and insane fascists came to power

                        I don’t know who was hoping there, it was quite clear how anti-Russian sentiments were growing there. Russia's peace policy in Ukraine failed long ago.
                      2. Bad Pig (Ham)
                        Bad Pig (Ham) 2 March 2022 23: 00
                        -1
                        "As for Odessa and Kharkov, let them hold referendums on independence there too"
                        and you're funny...remind what they did in Odessa with those who wanted a referendum?
                        I collected everything and Assad and Kuznetsov ...
                        adieu!
                      3. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 2 March 2022 23: 25
                        +1
                        Quote: Bad Pig (Ham)
                        adieu!

                        Walk past john, smoked haunch.
                  2. ALARI
                    ALARI 3 March 2022 08: 39
                    +1
                    Well, I see you call yourself a white swan. Or maybe you associate yourself with a murderer and a robber, and Ham is John Silver. All of you have uryakolok banderlogs, if you have brains.
            2. alexey sidykin
              alexey sidykin 2 March 2022 23: 21
              -1
              Quote: ALARI
              Maybe enough slogans already? We don't have enough people to make it all come true. People do not need an EMPIRE, they just want to live and be happy.

              your avatar suits you very well.
          2. Jager
            Jager 2 March 2022 21: 57
            +4
            Empire? Are you seriously? The empire needs an economic breakthrough in the first place... and we have a gas pipeline.
            1. Bad Pig (Ham)
              Bad Pig (Ham) 2 March 2022 22: 00
              -7
              and we have gas in our apartment - what about you?
              Explain to me please what does "economic breakthrough" mean?
              1. Jager
                Jager 2 March 2022 22: 17
                +9
                The economic breakthrough is the restoration of our own industry.
                Foreign automakers declared a boycott and then it turned out that we don’t have our own factories. Screwdriver assembly is not a factory. VAZ, by the way, sold Renault.
                In railway transport, ALL high-speed rolling stock is imported, Italian / German. Siemens has almost a monopoly in this area. And most of the modern domestic electric locomotives are also imported. In addition, many diesel locomotives with American GE diesels.
                I work in this area.
                With civil aviation in general a disaster.
                The machine tool industry is barely alive. In fact, we can’t really offer anything other than resources.
                Continue?
                1. Bad Pig (Ham)
                  Bad Pig (Ham) 2 March 2022 22: 49
                  -6
                  that is, we have only a "screwdriver assembly" from the railway transport?)))
                  high speed rolling stock
                  is that a peregrine falcon? and that's it?
                  And most of the modern domestic electric locomotives are also imported

                  link to the studio!
            2. Demon_is_ada
              Demon_is_ada 3 March 2022 02: 26
              0
              An empire does not need an economic breakthrough, an empire needs to bend its vassals, that is, force them to work for themselves for food. Russia has never been an empire in the true sense, neither under the tsars, nor under the USSR, the mentality is not the same
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            1. Bad Pig (Ham)
              Bad Pig (Ham) 2 March 2022 22: 13
              -4
              sufferers for the people always carefully keep silent about the genocide of this very people on a national basis by all Bandera rabble with the consent and with the full support of the West ...
              but on the other hand, they blur people's eyes with "poverty", "economic jerks", "just live and enjoy" ...
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        2. Alexander Salenko
          Alexander Salenko 3 March 2022 10: 24
          +1
          Above, the polar fox as you answered, tell his son, who was in 2014 and is now fighting about this.
  20. mortido
    mortido 2 March 2022 20: 32
    +6
    Why have not lessons been learned from Chechen companies and operations in Syria. How the operation was prepared in general and the personnel is not clear. At times, many actions are chaotic and situational, and this applies both to actions on the ground and to general management. What a high price we have to pay for the mistakes of Gorbachev and Yeltsin, burn them in hell forever ...
    Condolences to family and friends, very bitter and sorry for those who will not return!
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 2 March 2022 20: 39
      +17
      So far there are 2 main problems:
      1) They thought that they would be greeted with flowers, the Armed Forces of Ukraine would capitulate, crush the Natsiks and that’s it. In fact, in every video they cover with mats. In Energodar, where the OHL (the former Regions of Yanukovych) scored under 60% - they are building barricades, there is already a video of how the soldiers had to shoot at the crowd.

      2) Supply and is drawn from 1. The main goal is the pace for 1-2 days, and then victory. We will collect the thrown. In fact, in the same Sumy region, about fifty trucks were packed, and this is the border zone of the 40 km zone. As a result, the Defense Ministry was forced to reorganize and now form convoys with reinforced platoon-company guards on armored vehicles.

      Well, there is another 3 reason - Modern warfare. Bucha - in the morning the paratroopers were burned by numerous cameras. The result was a topographic location and they were worked out right on the street. In the current conditions, when there is a camera phone on every corner, there is no way to deploy normally according to the standard, you need to act quickly and proactively, otherwise it will fly.
      1. albert
        albert 2 March 2022 20: 50
        +9
        Now, everywhere in Ukraine, our Internet towers have been destroyed. But this should have been done earlier.
        1. El Chuvachino
          El Chuvachino 2 March 2022 20: 56
          +8
          I don't understand why it's so late either.
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 2 March 2022 21: 18
            +3
            Quote: El Chuvachino
            I don't understand why it's so late either.

            It seems that even on the first day they said that electronic warfare equipment was blocking mobile communications.
        2. Prometey
          Prometey 2 March 2022 21: 19
          +13
          Because in our General Staff there are still stupid people who think about the war of the 70s. Depriving the opposing side of all types of communications is already 30% of the success of the war. And they did not even make an attempt to interrupt the broadcast. Well, keep up the good work. Raise the morale of the enemy.
          1. Ural resident
            Ural resident 2 March 2022 21: 54
            +7
            Quote: Prometey
            Because in our General Staff there are still stupid people who think about the war of the 70s. Depriving the opposing side of all types of communications is already 30% of the success of the war. And they did not even make an attempt to interrupt the broadcast. Well, keep up the good work. Raise the morale of the enemy.

            And guides. For some reason, the headquarters were destroyed only on the 4th day. Before that, there was a centralized leadership, and obviously from the Pentagon, given the data of American intelligence, it can be assumed that everything was in full view, only the coordinates were given out.
            1. Prometey
              Prometey 2 March 2022 22: 14
              +2
              I accidentally downvoted you. Everything you write is correct.
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 2 March 2022 22: 12
            +1
            Those who cooked up this operation really had absolutely no skills and knowledge of warfare either in Afghanistan, or in Chechnya, or in 2008 in Georgia and even Syria.
        3. Tavrik
          Tavrik 2 March 2022 21: 33
          +8
          In addition to towers, there are also data centers connected by fiber optic cables. If earlier they seized the telephone / telegraph, now control over data centers is needed. Or their destruction.
      2. ALARI
        ALARI 2 March 2022 21: 00
        +8
        Crimea 2 did not pass, why couldn’t sociological research be carried out on the question of how the troops would be met? Fictional reality crashed against reality.
      3. Wildcat
        Wildcat 2 March 2022 21: 30
        +9
        hi
        From the first follows a hollow failure of planning. Incorrect initial data, respectively, incorrect calculation of forces. Probably, there was dizziness "from the successes in Kazakhstan", they proceeded "by analogy" from the sufficiency of the fact that troops were being sent to change the situation in our direction.
        If the plan was “we take beautifully Gostomel, then Zelensky, then we change power through the Opposition Platform for Life,” then it obviously did not work. There is no back up plan. And it would be nice if the social the networks are really being monitored so that the planners are asked "what are we doing right now" questions.
        Because time works for the enemy, you can not lose the initiative.

        From the first "stretched" the second. "To form convoys with reinforced platoon-company guards on armored vehicles" is correct and timely, but even at the VO it was discussed "how to supply the troops" and the alternative of the railway - "from wheels" - is small, expensive and losses (according to the obvious for VO readers reasons).

        There is a third reason: we simply have few troops for the operation against Ukraine IMHO. Example - 2 Chechen war according to Wiki - 80 thousand troops. According to the media (maximum), the group of troops in Ukraine is 120 thousand. That's just Chechnya with an area of ​​​​16 km and a population of more than 171 million (fresh data, probably in 1,5 - 2000 it was less). And Ukraine has a population of 2009 million and an area of ​​​​42 km². That is, it is necessary to fight on an area 28 times larger with a population 36 times larger with the help of troops, which are only 1,5 times larger.

        The argument "modern war" is not even considered yet, because it has not yet been, IMHO. 24. 02. The Armed Forces of Ukraine "got knocked down", but, I'm afraid, they are recovering and the modern war will begin in the next two weeks.

        Conclusions, dear soforumchane, draw your own.
        1. ViacheslavS
          ViacheslavS 2 March 2022 22: 00
          0
          There is a third reason: we simply have few troops for the operation against Ukraine IMHO.
          Example - 2 Chechen war according to Wiki - 80 thousand troops. According to the media (maximum), the group of troops in Ukraine is 120 thousand. That's just Chechnya with an area of ​​​​16 km and a population of more than 171 million (fresh data, probably in 1,5 - 2000 it was less). And Ukraine has a population of 2009 million and an area of ​​​​42 km². That is, it is necessary to fight on an area 576 times larger with a population 640 times larger with the help of troops, which are only 28 times larger.


          I was "mercilessly" downvoted here when I wondered why such a small number of troops had to start this operation.
          1. Wildcat
            Wildcat 2 March 2022 22: 13
            -1
            Military luck is changeable.
            In Kazakhstan, they coped without shooting and in smaller numbers. Although the situation was more difficult.
            Well, the plan was ... not really now.
        2. Alexander Salenko
          Alexander Salenko 3 March 2022 10: 32
          -1
          Sorry for being too optimistic. what to recover from? The most combat-ready grouping of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is most likely burrowing in Kramatorsk, they don’t even try to break through, but it’s a pity that it’s easier to iron in the field .. The Dnieper simply will not allow it to come to the rescue. It's already a disaster. They simply won’t have time to form new formations, and there are no queues at the military registration and enlistment offices.
      4. Jager
        Jager 2 March 2022 21: 59
        +3
        The question is, why did you have to climb a column onto a city street? Terrible did not teach anything?
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      1. Wildcat
        Wildcat 2 March 2022 21: 54
        0
        Yes, they were preparing, the plan just didn't work IMHO.
        The initial data should have looked even better: Ukraine is a fraternal people, while fundamentalists were expected in Kazakhstan. And there were almost no shootings.
        Although the differences, IMHO, were visible to the naked eye. There was a large group in power in Kazakhstan, which we supported, and then they themselves worked. Here, the "group" was even officially insignificant, with the leader under house arrest.

        The question is how to get out of this. IMHO, it should be faster. 498 in 7 days - we can't afford that for a long time. Perhaps for a decisive victory (all capital letters) a cash column to Ukraine is needed, and in it is a "group of planners". Well, Solovyov and Co. will learn new songs.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 2 March 2022 22: 13
        -3
        Everything is just about this and says that nichrome was not prepared.
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        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 2 March 2022 21: 30
          +3
          Quote: V is for B
          And to pat the accomplices from among the civilians on the head?

          And how to separate accomplices from non-accomplices if they live in the same house in neighboring apartments? In your opinion, you still need to wet everyone indiscriminately.
          1. Victor Leningradets
            Victor Leningradets 2 March 2022 22: 23
            0
            Or they us.
            Great with Scorpions: May be you, may be I...
  22. dnestr74
    dnestr74 2 March 2022 20: 34
    +9
    Eternal memory to our guys!
  23. Alex Nevs
    Alex Nevs 2 March 2022 20: 36
    -16
    The skew of the scales will now begin to increase very strongly. Techn. provide ends .... well, etc. The second side does not get worse
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 2 March 2022 21: 24
      +1
      Quote: Alex Nevs
      Techn. provide ends .... well, etc.

      Does the dolboyascher-uh have a second account? Or just dolboyascher, without -uh? request You will agree among yourself there, or something, so that everyone does not throw the same thing at once, yeah. And that too about it turns out. am
      1. Alex Nevs
        Alex Nevs 3 March 2022 11: 17
        +1
        Sorry. You misunderstand me. There is a lot of trolling here. And about the security, I'm not mistaken. AS? can you throw help into the boilers? How? Here's an analysis of what you've read.
    2. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 3 March 2022 07: 33
      -2
      there will be enough equipment for many years, plus a new one is riveted
  24. olhon
    olhon 2 March 2022 20: 38
    +8
    Damn, I thought less. Rest in peace.
    1. barclay
      barclay 2 March 2022 21: 06
      +8
      Yes, the numbers are shocking, to be honest. Very sorry guys! The pace of progress is not very high. But apparently the existing caution does not protect against losses. Yes, the people are catastrophically brainwashed. You watch videos in the cart - the locals have mats on mats. And what is characteristic, many people voice the exact location of the shooting aloud. I heard that the leadership of the ukrovermacht urged the population to do just that to help their leadership via the Internet. That's how it works out. It seems that for many this is not a liberation at all. They must have been happy with everything in life...
      And we need more high-tech weapons that hit from a safe distance. Here, air defense and aviation were suppressed, but where are our analogues of the Altius bayactors, barrage of ammunition? There is a lot of work for them.
      1. GREG68
        GREG68 2 March 2022 21: 19
        +8
        It looks like only on the Star, in the Military acceptance, unfortunately.
  25. Sasha1979
    Sasha1979 2 March 2022 20: 39
    +4
    Rest in peace. Quite a lot, 500 people per week. Apparently, the resistance is quite stubborn. The enemy must be asked for each of the 500. In any case, the availability of objective data allows us to better understand the nature of events.
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    2. Ural resident
      Ural resident 2 March 2022 21: 57
      +2
      Quote: Sasha1979
      Rest in peace. Quite a lot, 500 people per week. Apparently, the resistance is quite stubborn. The enemy must be asked for each of the 500. In any case, the availability of objective data allows us to better understand the nature of events.

      in direct combat, the losses are just relatively low. Mostly under artillery fire and hail on the marches.
      1. Sasha1979
        Sasha1979 2 March 2022 21: 59
        +1
        Separation by means (factors) of damage is certainly important information. But the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation did not give it, so I analyze a single figure - 498 people.
  26. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 2 March 2022 20: 40
    +4
    I'm shocked! Well, a lot! It seems that the VKS transporter was shot down!
  27. Cjiobo
    Cjiobo 2 March 2022 20: 41
    +7
    Everlasting memory!
    Plenty for a prepared operation. So we were still waiting. And of course civilians, I think this is the main reason for the big losses.
    And the second echelon without cover.
    Next guys please be careful, there they are stoned on the board
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    2. Garris199
      Garris199 2 March 2022 23: 44
      -1
      So we were still waiting
      APU think did not consider this scenario?
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  29. Dynamo
    Dynamo 2 March 2022 20: 42
    +3
    And this is still the official number. And how much really?
    1. GREG68
      GREG68 2 March 2022 20: 59
      +3
      I think twice as much .... But given the size of the territory and the tasks set, there’s probably no other way
    2. Prometey
      Prometey 2 March 2022 21: 20
      0
      Yes, it does look real.
  30. Bad Pig (Ham)
    Bad Pig (Ham) 2 March 2022 20: 43
    +5
    given the scope of hostilities and the range of weapons and ammunition used, as well as the highly urbanized area of ​​​​combat operations with dense urban and industrial development, the losses are small ...
    it is not yet known how many of them fell in battle ...
    eternal glory to the heroes
  31. mortido
    mortido 2 March 2022 20: 44
    +7
    Quote: donavi49
    So far there are 2 main problems:
    1) They thought that they would be greeted with flowers, the Armed Forces of Ukraine would capitulate, crush the Natsiks and that’s it. In fact, in every video they cover with mats. In Energodar, where the OHL (the former Regions of Yanukovych) scored under 60% - they are building barricades, there is already a video of how the soldiers had to shoot at the crowd.

    2) Supply and is drawn from 1. The main goal is the pace for 1-2 days, and then victory. We will collect the thrown. In fact, in the same Sumy region, about fifty trucks were packed, and this is the border zone of the 40 km zone. As a result, the Defense Ministry was forced to reorganize and now form convoys with reinforced platoon-company guards on armored vehicles.

    Well, there is another 3 reason - Modern warfare. Bucha - in the morning the paratroopers were burned by numerous cameras. The result was a topographic location and they were worked out right on the street. In the current conditions, when there is a camera phone on every corner, there is no way to deploy normally according to the standard, you need to act quickly and proactively, otherwise it will fly.

    Why, before the hostilities in the area of ​​operation, they do not cut off the light and the Internet (communication centers), where the electronic warfare jammers ... These are the basics of any hostilities, there are no words ...
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    2. Ural resident
      Ural resident 2 March 2022 21: 58
      +2
      Quote: mortido
      Quote: donavi49
      So far there are 2 main problems:
      1) They thought that they would be greeted with flowers, the Armed Forces of Ukraine would capitulate, crush the Natsiks and that’s it. In fact, in every video they cover with mats. In Energodar, where the OHL (the former Regions of Yanukovych) scored under 60% - they are building barricades, there is already a video of how the soldiers had to shoot at the crowd.

      2) Supply and is drawn from 1. The main goal is the pace for 1-2 days, and then victory. We will collect the thrown. In fact, in the same Sumy region, about fifty trucks were packed, and this is the border zone of the 40 km zone. As a result, the Defense Ministry was forced to reorganize and now form convoys with reinforced platoon-company guards on armored vehicles.

      Well, there is another 3 reason - Modern warfare. Bucha - in the morning the paratroopers were burned by numerous cameras. The result was a topographic location and they were worked out right on the street. In the current conditions, when there is a camera phone on every corner, there is no way to deploy normally according to the standard, you need to act quickly and proactively, otherwise it will fly.

      Why, before the hostilities in the area of ​​operation, they do not cut off the light and the Internet (communication centers), where the electronic warfare jammers ... These are the basics of any hostilities, there are no words ...

      Yes. It's strange like that. The Americans immediately cut down all communication centers, command and bases.
  32. Vista401
    Vista401 2 March 2022 20: 46
    -26
    Well. Losses are very big. And not a single city was taken. I wrote that a competent defense of the giant cities of Kyiv, Odessa, Kharkov, etc. will grind the entire group. Tasks are not completed at all. And the stories from Konashenkov about exploits are out of place.
    1. dnestr74
      dnestr74 2 March 2022 20: 48
      +13
      Troll, Kherson, Melitopol are not cities? Mods, delete this din but
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 2 March 2022 21: 00
        +9
        Kherson took the area of ​​the bridge (this is not quite a city, but Antonovka), as well as the railway station and the industrial complex. The city itself is still under the zhovtoblakit, and the mer streams promising not to surrender the city, above the city hall is zhovtoblakit.

        The south turned out to be abandoned in general, because in an open flat area to take a suicide battle for the Armed Forces of Ukraine and they understood this very well.

        The main centers of defense are Kyiv, Kharkov, Odessa, Dnipro and Zaporozhye + Mariupol as a fortress with the task of holding out as long as possible. The rest is closed either by light forces, or in general by the Volkssturm therodefense.
        1. Victor Leningradets
          Victor Leningradets 2 March 2022 22: 27
          +3
          Festung tactics - a parade of the doomed. Without maneuver and serious warehouses - you can’t sit out much, but with fire - they homogenize with the ruins. 1945 proved this.
          1. donavi49
            donavi49 2 March 2022 22: 31
            +7
            Why is quite logical. Giving fights in an open field is death. The defense of large cities is:
            1) Pretty impressive losses.
            2) Serious losses and destruction among the civilians, that is, a tearful picture in the media.
            3) A serious outfit of forces and ammunition. And this means holding down the offensive in other areas, the opportunity to set fire to the supply columns in the rear.
            4) Time delay. Let's imagine - it's April, and the operation is going on, in the courtyard there is a victory parade on May 9, and the operation is going on and official losses are in the thousands. Here the cumulative effect is new packages of sanctions, spending on war (and this is expensive), society's fatigue (as it was especially the first with Chechnya).

            Zelensky's strategy is extremely simple - to hold out as long as possible and give as many whiny pictures to the west as possible.
        2. alexey sidykin
          alexey sidykin 2 March 2022 23: 28
          -1
          Quote: donavi49
          Kherson took the area of ​​the bridge (this is not quite a city, but Antonovka), as well as the railway station and the industrial complex. The city itself is still under the zhovtoblakit, and the mer streams promising not to surrender the city, above the city hall is zhovtoblakit.

          The south turned out to be abandoned in general, because in an open flat area to take a suicide battle for the Armed Forces of Ukraine and they understood this very well.

          The main centers of defense are Kyiv, Kharkov, Odessa, Dnipro and Zaporozhye + Mariupol as a fortress with the task of holding out as long as possible. The rest is closed either by light forces, or in general by the Volkssturm therodefense.

          Stop whistling, Kherson is under our control. And the cities are blocked.
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        2. Nastia makarova
          Nastia makarova 3 March 2022 07: 38
          -2
          dozens of cities were captured and surrounded, but the fact that the defense is shooting there does not mean that the city has not been taken
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 2 March 2022 21: 19
      +1
      According to the new law, five years have passed.
  33. Volzhanin64
    Volzhanin64 2 March 2022 20: 47
    +8
    Eternal memory to heroes!
    God rest their souls.
    Thank you parents for raising such heroes
    Condolences to family and friends.
    Let the earth rest in peace.
    God bless all our children
    Generals and officers, take care of our soldiers.
    Since we dominate the air, iron them with attack aircraft, as in Syria, destroy all warehouses with ammunition and ammunition, food, if the situation allows
  34. Vasily Krylov
    Vasily Krylov 2 March 2022 20: 48
    +8
    Eternal memory to the guys. And I reproached the commanders with big stars, 80 years have passed, and no conclusions have been drawn. I don’t know the nuances, but it seems like under Prokhorovka, Rotmistrov and Khrushchev, without additional intelligence, killed the 5th Guards Tank. to the husbands of Russia. With respect. Krylov.
  35. opuonmed
    opuonmed 2 March 2022 20: 49
    +4
    the kingdom of heaven to the lost! I don’t understand why until now the connection in Ukraine is working all and the Internet !! and by the way, I thought more that the VSU died during the grouping of 130k, although it may not have been turned off to dump where the ambushes are, where the hailstones, etc., but in this way they burned their own
  36. sabakina
    sabakina 2 March 2022 20: 52
    +3
    What can I say? It's a pity. And offer my condolences to family and friends. But, in war as in war. Even the cinematic hero Sergeant Domeshek died. I think the guys knew where and what they were going for. This is not a French film, The Big Walk.
    1. dnestr74
      dnestr74 2 March 2022 20: 56
      +4
      They knew who did not want to, they wrote a report and they were not taken, this information is from the army. It was the same in the second Chechen one.
    2. ViacheslavS
      ViacheslavS 2 March 2022 21: 01
      +1
      There is no war, there is some special. operation.
  37. Poetry
    Poetry 2 March 2022 20: 55
    +4
    They fell for you and me. Everlasting memory.
    For the miscalculation of politicians, the boys gave their lives.
    More expensive than this, in this world there is no price ...
  38. senima56
    senima56 2 March 2022 20: 55
    +5
    Eternal glory to the fallen soldiers of Russia!
  39. Saboteur_Navy
    Saboteur_Navy 2 March 2022 20: 57
    +2
    ❗️ The tank crew under the command of the commander of the tank company, Senior Lieutenant Starostin, repelling an attack with significantly superior enemy forces, destroyed 8 armored vehicles (BTR-80) and more than 100 nationalists, preventing them from breaking through to the crossing.

    During the battle, a Russian tank was attacked by an American Javelin ATGM. The crew received a shell shock, but did not leave the battle. After making sure that the equipment was in good condition, 2 more enemy tanks were destroyed by well-aimed fire.
    /Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation/
    #Ukraine

    @new_militarycolumnist
  40. werw336
    werw336 2 March 2022 20: 58
    +7
    Just don't fuck, death to the Nazis, Victory will be ours! alarmists under the tribunal.
  41. vovochkarzhevsky
    vovochkarzhevsky 2 March 2022 20: 59
    +20
    Evil is missing. As if he returned to the first Chechen again. Then, too, we were forced to delicately fight. And there is only one rule of war: the more you feel sorry for the opposing side, the more you put down your soldiers. Moreover, yes, not everyone, but a significant part of the population is completely brainwashed. Therefore, they will perceive any concession as a weakness and write it down in their "peremogs". And words to reach their brains is an empty thing. There it is necessary to beat so that at first the bone cracks slightly, only then can something come through.
    And don’t look back, we won’t be good going for concessions. Here is the reverse case.
  42. Saboteur_Navy
    Saboteur_Navy 2 March 2022 21: 00
    -1
    ❗️The crew of one of the Russian tanks under the command of senior sergeant Nimchenko, being at the forefront, destroyed 40 armored vehicles (9 tanks and 6 BTR-3), as well as more than 80 nationalists, with well-aimed fire within 90 minutes.
    /Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation/
    #Ukraine

    @new_militarycolumnist
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    1. donavi49
      donavi49 2 March 2022 21: 07
      -8
      Estimated up to 300 prisoners, including officers. Today, in general, in Nikolaev there were 13 people in captivity, including 2 wounded. sad


      1. Dr.LeaveSee
        Dr.LeaveSee 2 March 2022 21: 31
        -8
        you can add here https://twitter.com/Ukroblogger/status/1499082318308429829
        1. Wildcat
          Wildcat 3 March 2022 01: 29
          -2
          Yetite power... Looked at this twitter... What's going on?
          1. Nastia makarova
            Nastia makarova 3 March 2022 07: 39
            0
            and what's in there? tell me in two words?
      2. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 2 March 2022 23: 11
        -3
        Photo next to the monument ... No words.
  44. Evgeny Seleznev
    Evgeny Seleznev 2 March 2022 21: 01
    0
    I look forward to tomorrow, the results of negotiations.
  45. vovochkarzhevsky
    vovochkarzhevsky 2 March 2022 21: 04
    +3
    Quote: donavi49
    For example, the villagers take out Tor-M2 for themselves.

    These two tractors are quite a legitimate target for combat helicopters.
  46. Vadim237
    Vadim237 2 March 2022 21: 08
    -3
    "In addition, more than 570 Ukrainian soldiers were taken prisoner by Russian troops." And these are all the APU officers who were taken prisoner in 6 days on such a huge front of hostilities - this is a complete kabzet.
    1. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 3 March 2022 07: 40
      -3
      took 5 times more but were allowed to go home
  47. Oleg Barchev
    Oleg Barchev 2 March 2022 21: 08
    +7
    While hostilities are going on, there is no need to look for the guilty, it is necessary to draw the right conclusions from what is happening on the battlefield, and we need the support of our guys who are now at the forefront. But when a military victory is achieved, it is important that politicians do not give it into the hands of the enemy. And it is very important to make an analysis of the correctness of the planning of the operation, because it is precisely the mistakes made in planning that lead to large losses in the troops.
  48. Mapping
    Mapping 2 March 2022 21: 08
    +4
    In my opinion, the losses are too great. Where is the UAV, where is intelligence, where is aviation and artillery? ETERNAL MEMORY AND GLORY to the dead!!
  49. Artem76
    Artem76 2 March 2022 21: 09
    +5
    Eternal memory to the dead and low bow. Condolences to their family and friends. The Russians need to unite, and not forget to help those who lost their father, husband, son in this war ... And the geeks in human form should be publicly judged for the whole world to see, and then hanged (having lifted the moratorium on the death penalty).
  50. Sir Galant
    Sir Galant 2 March 2022 21: 11
    0
    hmm... load 200. eternal memory