The Russian leader justified the revision of the borders of Ukraine

Russian leader Vladimir Putin justified his chosen course towards Ukraine, during the implementation of which the state's borders are being redrawn.

According to him, Moscow impeccably observes the sovereignty of the republics formed after the collapse of the Soviet Union. The only exception to this rule was the independent. As he previously pointed out, from the very beginning of gaining independence, the authorities of this country pursued a foreign and domestic policy aimed at gradually breaking ties and relations with Russia. And this is despite the constant assistance of the Kremlin, which he did not stop providing even in the most difficult 1990s. The President announced the total amount of $250 billion in various subsidies that Kiev received in the period from 1991 to 2013.

The result of this policy of the Ukrainian leadership was logical: the country has become a colony of the West, which uses it for a possible strike against Russia. Nezalezhnaya was actually turned into an offensive foothold prepared by the opponents of the Russian Federation. The role of the enemy, which during the years of “independence” the Kiev regime gradually assumed, requires a special, exceptional approach.

The territory of this country is used by third countries to create threats against the Russian Federation itself

- Putin said during a meeting with the head of Azerbaijan Ilham Aliyev, substantiating the revision of the borders of Ukraine.

Comments

[Ravik]

Decommunization however!!!

[210ox]

I would put this word in quotation marks. Of course, the policy in relation to the creation and borders of the union republics was wrong. And then from the GDP I heard some trolling with elements of black humor. Here, you are decommunizing there, demolishing monuments. And I'll show you the real "decommunization" with a return to where you started in the USSR in December 1922 .. From which territories did you go, and which communists gave you. You came with bare feet and you will leave the same way.

[Ilya-spb]

There are two directions in the statement of V.V. Putin.

1) Recognition of Donbass and restoration of Russia within its historical borders. I support.

2) Dangerous games with the word "decommunization". And an attempt to cross out socialism.
I do not support.

A small addition. The USSR was created thanks to the genius of Vladimir Ilyich Lenin.
And strengthened by his student, who surpassed the teacher both in state building and in humanity - Joseph Stalin.

We owe our very existence to both the Soviet Union and the Russian People. You can't oppose them.

PS I am against the crunch of French bread and do not consider capitalism better than socialism.

[210ox]

Here I agree with you completely. Attempts to kick the USSR is sheer nonsense.

[Mikhail Sidorov]

I've been re-reading Putin's message. I did not understand that he is a supporter of the Provisional Government? What a victory over Kaiser's Germany... Again a spit on Lenin, then a step back, an understanding of the situation that developed at that historical stage. What a duality.

[alystan]

With regard to the USSR and V.I. Lenin, he is constant. Alas...

[ada]

It is impossible for any president of a large country to form a sufficiently voluminous speech of a programmatic nature in a narrow range of interests. In fact, this is specially formed information that spreads not only in all directions of the horizon, but also in many layers of the horizon, with a large number of open and hidden goals and one of the main conditions in the process of its dissemination is the possibility of its assimilation by various segments of the population, in including abroad.
To me personally, the attitude of people in our country (including the president (why the position is not called the chairman, but rather the head, in fact, the leader) to their past, and in particular to the Soviet one, categorically does not like it, but to play with it , using a belittling of its significance and a one-sided presentation of errors is dangerous and criminal.

[Diverter]

a little in defense of GDP. you need to understand the issue and learn that Lenin is bulk under the king. That is why many people cannot stand him, they do not like traitors, never and no one.

[igorbrsv]

Only Lenin did not want to cash in on the revolution, but to change the political ideology and system. And what did the bulk achieve?

[Ryaruav]

Dmitry, we don’t kick the USSR, but you must agree that in the first in the world, the construction of a completely new type of socio-political formation will always be accompanied by many mistakes and this happened, you don’t have to perceive mistakes so orthodoxly, because they were in considerable numbers, which does not negate the fact that socialism built in the USSR is the most advanced system on 3 pebbles from the sun

[engineer74]

Quote: Ryaruav

Dmitry, we don’t kick the USSR, but you must agree that in the first in the world, the construction of a completely new type of socio-political formation will always be accompanied by many mistakes and this happened, you don’t have to perceive mistakes so orthodoxly, because they were in considerable numbers, which does not negate the fact that socialism built in the USSR is the most advanced system on 3 pebbles from the sun

I warmly support, mistakes must be constantly remembered so as not to bring them into the future!

[210ox]

Exactly. A new society without mistakes? Let's remember the reforms of Peter the Great, or the French Revolution with a sea of ​​blood. The Soviet state was created in extreme conditions, and this must be understood.

[vervolk]

and Putin's Russia that was created in greenhouse conditions? GDP has the right to evaluate both Lenin and Peter, he is UZHU in the same category with them. He built a country in thirty years and with what soft methods. How many wars have been successfully won. there is something to compare and methods and methods. Nifiga is not a supporter, but the result is obvious ...

[Plate]

I did not notice any kicking of the USSR as a whole. Only the method of territorial organization was condemned and the culprit, Lenin, was appointed. However, there were no other allegations against him. In my opinion, this cannot be characterized as "crossing out the era of socialism", "kicking the USSR" and other similar images. In the end, Stalin's project was immediately mentioned in a positive light. So, I repeat once again, the censure of the Soviet era as a whole is imperceptible here. Only one of its aspects, albeit significant.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: 210ox

Here I agree with you completely. Attempts to kick the USSR is sheer nonsense.

Attempts to kick the USSR are worse than nonsense. This is a position.
Rebellion Novorossiya not only reached out to Russia. She, seeing both the capitalist and Nazi dances in Ukraine, pulled back to the USSR. To Union Soviet Socialist Republic Badly wrong. For which I paid.
For 8 years, she was saved from an unfulfilled dream. From both sides.
At the moment it is good that it is already protected from Nazism.
From capitalism, alas, no.

[ada]

Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke

Quote: 210ox

Here I agree with you completely. Attempts to kick the USSR is sheer nonsense.

Attempts to kick the USSR are worse than nonsense. This is a position.
Rebellion Novorossiya not only reached out to Russia. She, seeing both the capitalist and Nazi dances in Ukraine, pulled back to the USSR. To Union Soviet Socialist Republic Badly wrong. For which I paid.
For 8 years, she was saved from an unfulfilled dream. From both sides.
At the moment it is good that it is already protected from Nazism.
From capitalism, alas, no.

It looks like you are right!
But, I am sure that sooner or later we will have to, if not return to the USSR, then begin transformations in its spirit. "+"

[Fluk54]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I have such a feeling that Crimea at one time also wanted to return to the USSR.

[p0pulivox]

Dmitry! It may be nonsense, but rather it is a steady tendency towards a distorted interpretation of the most difficult period of our history 1917-1922. (not only him) and to "forgetfulness" about the events of 1986-1993. (not only) and their defendants...

[Zorro21]

Quote: Ilya-spb

1) Recognition of Donbass and restoration of Russia within its historical borders. I support.

2) Dangerous games with the word "decommunization". And an attempt to cross out socialism.
I do not support.

In this case, your points are mutually exclusive.

[Ilya-spb]

My points do not contradict each other at all.

Answer: Vladimir Ilyich Lenin was building a completely new state. The country of "workers and peasants". Lenin renounced the Russian Empire. Therefore, he did not give anything to anyone. But the current Russian Federation has declared itself the successor of both the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union. That's where the real contradiction lies!

A synthesis of socialism, Orthodoxy, Great Russia is needed to resolve this contradiction. How to do it? And is it possible to do? Do not know...

[Zorro21]

Quote: Ilya-spb

Lenin was building a completely new state. The country of "workers and peasants". Lenin renounced the Russian Empire. Therefore, he did not give anything to anyone.

Those. drawing the oppressed peoples into the sphere of communist influence on the basis of supporting their nationalist enclaves and distributing the territory of the Russian Empire under their control are not gifts. Although I would call it geopolitical bribes and the basis for the formation of the future of radical nationalism, as a result of which the Russians after 91. persecuted from all former Soviet republics.

[Mikhail Sidorov]

Ay, respected by that time, the Russian Empire had ceased to exist. There was a choice between a bad option and what seemed like a good one. In hindsight, everything is strong ...

[Ilya-spb]

What nations were oppressed? From now on, more...

And was there such a people in the Russian Empire as "Ukrainians"?

PS Jews as an oppressed people in the Russian Empire, please do not offer.
The Jews were discriminated against according to their faith (Judaism), not according to their nationality.

[Zorro21]

Quote: Ilya-spb

what nations were oppressed

Forgot to put quotes. Of course, you are right, Lenin and the communists had to explain to these peoples for decades how much they were "oppressed".
Already later, the national policy of the CPSU required party workers to appoint national cadres to leadership positions, reward them in the first place, and allow the children of national cadres to enter universities without exams.

[Edvid]

"Lenin was building a completely new state. A country of" workers and peasants ". Lenin renounced the Russian Empire. Therefore, he did not give anything to anyone."
/////////////////////////////////////////////////// ////////////
Yah!
And who gave the Persians the territory of the Russian Empire in the south of the Caspian Sea? And who gave Turkey a huge piece of the territory of pre-revolutionary Armenia, equal to its current area, supplied Ataturk with gold, weapons and direct military assistance, at a time when the Greek army was already finishing off the Turkish one? ... And only this help helped Turkey to resist the war with Greece .

[Repellent]

Quote: Ilya-spb

We need a synthesis of socialism, Orthodoxy, Great Russia

Sweat, blood, sand, d-mo and girlish tears. Synthesis, damn

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Ilya-spb

A synthesis of socialism, Orthodoxy, Great Russia is needed to resolve this contradiction. How to do it?

To begin with, try to combine the religious procession and the gay parade - will it suddenly grow together?
And then the matter of technology - and away we go ...

[ada]

This is nuclear fusion! What then is thermonuclear? Scary to think!

[Plate]

But the current Russian Federation has declared itself the successor of both the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union. That's where the real contradiction lies!

Well, what's wrong? Once we were the Russian Empire, then the Soviet Union, now the Russian Federation. All this is one of our paths. Somewhere they turned, turned, went in the other direction, then again in another, in a third ... All these twists and turns do not negate the fact that this whole path is one line, without one section of which there would be no other.

[Sergey2809]

Tell me who your friend is and I will say who you are.
Do not look for truth where there is none, especially since everyone has their own truth.
What kind of pop is such a parish.
And this is his opinion and his position! This is the whole point.
Socialism will give him!

[Starover_Z]

The enlarged Odessa region at the expense of Bessarabia is not yet indicated here!
Let Moldova return full access to the sea!
But the truth is later, when everything settles down in Moldova.

[ada]

Let them use them on the terms of preferences, I do not trust them.

[Ryaruav]

Anatolich, within the borders of 1654 shown on the map there was no state

[Was mammoth]

VV Putin, in his address yesterday, attacked the Bolsheviks, saying that Russian lands were handed out right and left. They didn’t collect, but distributed. One can guess why a former member of the CPSU and a KGB officer, now the president of a capitalist country, says so. It is worth remembering 1991.
The map seems to be an illustration of confirmation of his words. Only here's what to do with the fact that in the territory of present-day Ukraine in 1918 there were no "independent" republics to count. Whites, Greens, anarchists, monarchists, Makhnovists ... to boot. To a bunch of German invaders .... What Lenin "gave" consisted of either three or four republics. In the Donetsk-Krivoy Rog Republic with its capital in Kharkov, by the way, there were two state languages.
If you "dig" history, then it is necessary from the "Wild Field" where those who fled from the Russian landowners, and from the Polish lords, and from the captivity of the Krymchaks settled.
So, thanks to the Bolsheviks, the USSR began to almost repeat the outlines of the Russian Empire. And in the place of Ukraine there were no more than a dozen dwarf states.

[volodimer]

There is a healthy grain in his speech, but there is also an element of a political game, which is fraught with consequences.
Kosovo was separated from Serbia without a referendum. Crimea seceded with a referendum.
There was already an article here that said why China does not recognize Crimea as Russian. Because now the referendum in Taiwan will not give the desired result. Everyone has their games, everyone has their situations.

[Alex Justice]

The Tatars did less harm to Russia than the communists.

[mik0588]

You also forgot about the Mongols.

[another RUSICH]

Stalin was no student of Lenin! Don't talk nonsense.
Lenin didn't give a damn about Russia, he needed a world revolution.
Stalin was and remained a sovereign. He raised the country from its knees in the shortest possible time, bringing it on a par with the industrial powers, having managed to prepare it for a more terrible war

[antivirus]

it is also necessary to hand over Chisinau to the Romanians. then take Dobruzha and the Carpathians from the Chernivtsi region. let it choke

[Ilya-spb]

Why give Chisinau? Useful for yourself.

[Thrifty]

What is there to justify when they constantly openly spoiled us? The theft of only gas from the transit pipe what damage they did to us! All this should have been done yesterday!

[gansales]

Quote: 210ox

I would put this word in quotation marks. Of course, the policy in relation to the creation and borders of the union republics was wrong. And then from the GDP I heard some trolling with elements of black humor. Here, you are decommunizing there, demolishing monuments. And I'll show you the real "decommunization" with a return to where you started in the USSR in December 1922 .. From which territories did you go, and which communists gave you. You came with bare feet and you will leave the same way.

You are right Dmitry ... Trolling, but with a threat and rightly so, too many problems and specifically the Security of Russia from the junta in Kiev!
Anecdote on the topic I think ...
Hello! tse ukraine? Bye bye, speak faster

[Leonidych]

I want the flag of Novorossia and Russia to fly over the city hall of Odessa.

[LiSiCyn]

Putin held the first press conference after the decision to recognize the DNR and LNR. The main statements of the President of the Russian Federation:

It is impossible to predict specific possible actions [of the Russian army in Donbas], it depends on the situation
Russia will provide military assistance to the DNR and LNR
Russia stands for the demilitarization of today's Ukraine
Ukraine has everything to solve all problems with nuclear weapons, they lack uranium enrichment systems, this problem is solved simply
Ukraine must recognize Crimea and Sevastopol as regions of the Russian Federation: a long-term settlement of the situation in Ukraine depends on the recognition of the will of the people living in Sevastopol and Crimea
Even the emergence of tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine is a strategic threat for Russia
And why do you think that goodness should be powerless?
I did not say that our troops would go to Donbass right now
Russia recognized the DPR and LPR within the boundaries specified in their constitutions
We hope that all disputes on the border between the DPR and LPR will be resolved through negotiations.

[sniperino]

Quote: LiSiCyn

Russia recognized the DPR and LPR within the boundaries specified in their constitutions

It is logical, we did not seize the territory, but recognized the republics, and the republics have constitutions.

[LiSiCyn]

Quote: sniperino

It is logical, we did not seize the territory, but recognized the republics, and the republics have constitutions.

It's more like an ultimatum.
I'm wondering how much time the suckers will be given?

[sniperino]

Quote: LiSiCyn

how much time do they give lokhlam?

The less the better, so they have less time to finally rob the locals

[Ravik]

Let me remind readers of the novel by the Strugatsky brothers - An attempt to escape.
At the end of the novel, the protagonist says:

“You are not joking,” he said at last. “These are not jokes. Communism is first of all an idea! And the idea is not simple. natural egoist. And you know what you will do? Either your colony will turn into a babysitter for fat idlers who will not have the slightest incentive to work, or there will be an energetic bastard who, with the help of your own gliders, scorchers and other means, will kick you out get out of this planet, and all the abundance will scoop up under his seat, and the whole history will again move in a natural way.
Saul flipped open the lid of the garbage chute and began to furiously knock his pipe into it.
- No, my dears, communism must be suffered. For communism, you have to fight with him,” he pointed at Khaira with the pipe, “with an ordinary simpleton guy. Fight when he is with a spear, fight when he is with a musket, fight when he is with a "Schmeisser" and in a helmet with horns. And that is not all. That's when he throws the "Schmeisser", falls on his belly into the mud and crawls in front of you - that's when the real fight will begin! Not for a piece of bread, but for communism! You will lift him out of this mud, wash him ... "

Anyone interested can read...

Fraternal peoples do not exist - For Ukraine we will always be cursed Muscovites who need to be cut into knives and gilyak.
That's when Slava Kovtun and Yanina Sokolovskaya take up AKM and go to the front line to fight Bandera, then we can talk about Ukraine as a brotherly country. But this is very far from that.

[Amateur]

That's when Slava Kovtun and Yanina Sokolovskaya take up AKM and go to the front line,

Funny! They WORK on Russian television as barmaley and "whipping boy".
Tomorrow they will pay for swearing at the Ukrainian authorities, and they will "Foam at the mouth" do this work.

[oldzek]

they will not just pay, but they will also take it into power. then yes. but no, then how true intels will foam at the mouth to cover any government in which they are not.

[mik0588]

They gave you a good example, so that the concept, the direction of thought would be clear. And you seem to be farther than the TV and see nothing ....

[Amateur]

the concept, the direction of thought would be clear

The words you know! I would also like to learn how to use them correctly. Then it would be quite "IMHO"

[mik0588]

Is there really nothing to answer?

[Amateur]

I am not fond of demagogy and I try not to enter into discussions with demagogues. Sorry.

[XNUMX%]

There are no fraternal peoples

No, there is.
You have confused the concept / fraternal people / with the garbage dump of cultures, which the United States and half of Europe now represent ... so you did not see unity.

[Ravik]

I didn't confuse anything.
More than 200 years ago, M. I. Kutuzov said to the representative of England at the headquarters of the Russian army: You care about the well-being of England, but for me, if tomorrow she goes under water, I won’t groan.
When these Westerners talk about their Democracy and Values, my hands are looking for a machine gun.
As for the post-Soviet "fraternal peoples" - do not build illusions.
They will always think only of themselves.
Suffice it to recall Belarusian pineapples and shrimps...

[XNUMX%]

Your thoughts and concepts are confused, I have ceased to understand you. Sorry. You don't have to reply to my post.

[Ravik]

I sympathize
Keep believing in the Brotherhood of Nations.

[vitvit123]

I didn’t immediately remember who Kovtun was .., and who was Yanina Sokolovskaya? in general, I hear it for the first time .. after reading the following comment, I realized that these are participants in a talk show ..

[avib]

The result of this policy of the Ukrainian leadership was logical: the country has become a colony of the West, which uses it for a possible strike against Russia. Nezalezhnaya was actually turned into an offensive foothold prepared by the opponents of the Russian Federation. The role of the enemy, which during the years of “independence” the Kiev regime gradually assumed, requires a special, exceptional approach.

And what about Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia?
In Estonia, in general, the share of Russians in the population of the country is from 25 to 30%.

[NDR-791]

Quote: avib

And what about Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia?

Calm down!!! They think for three, bite with sprats. As they get to them, they will roll out a SANCTION to us !!! Ears will freeze to evil!!!

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: avib

And what about Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia?

Let them live for now.
It doesn't take long to destroy.
But it needs to be precise.
So that the peacekeeper does not catch on.
Have you noticed that this is the second time we are doing this?
Or are we not looking at the details again?
ps
We do not behave like a bull in a china shop, unlike FSA.

[gurzuf]

And yet I was right! We take debts by territories.

[oldzek]

Well, Pan Ze somehow blurted out about this during KVN.

[pavlov viahislav]

About territorial integrity - ask Georgia. Another thing is why should Russia observe the territorial integrity of some ephemeral formations drawn on the map solely at the expense of historical Russia? Just to please every UN and other OSCE?

[NDR-791]

The President announced the total amount of $250 billion in various subsidies that Kiev received in the period from 1991 to 2013.

And Zelya said that he owed no one. And he shouldn’t be arrogant to China either ... Probably, Bidon was surprised that he didn’t owe him either?

[vintorez]

"The President announced the total amount of $250 billion in various subsidies that Kiev received in the period from 1991 to 2013." And who is to blame for this? They gave the money themselves, and the rest did not have to be done. And even now the operation has been carried out with such productions that even a conscripted soldier will do better than the FSB did.

[Eugen alpine]

We'll steal Khan... And they are stupid yet do not understand this.

[NDR-791]

Quote: Eugen Alpine

We'll steal Khan... And they are stupid yet do not understand this.

And "tarapis-nada-no." Let our Paralympic athletes perform at least calmly. And then Shoigu will come down slowly, slowly... The order was received yesterday. And I know for sure that, unlike Zelya, he didn’t go to sleep, he went to the General Staff. At night.

[XNUMX%]

The Russian leader justified the revision of the borders of Ukraine

The decommunization of Ukraine has begun.

[Vitaly161]

I don’t even know how to react to such a bold statement, I hope the actions will be the same

[Butchcassidy]

It is interesting how Aliyev felt at the same time, having the problem of Karabakh and the Russian military contingent there?

[1976AG]

Quote: ButchCassidy

It is interesting how Aliyev felt at the same time, having the problem of Karabakh and the Russian military contingent there?

I felt that the frames still need to be observed.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: 1976AG

Quote: ButchCassidy

It is interesting how Aliyev felt at the same time, having the problem of Karabakh and the Russian military contingent there?

I felt that the frames still need to be observed.

I have another question, or rather a statement ---- the dates of Azerbaijani important events echo important dates in Soviet history. This means that this is important for many Azerbaijanis, and they are still positive towards the USSR. That's what.

[Butchcassidy]

To put it mildly, a controversial statement that has little to do with reality

[den3080]

Quote: ButchCassidy

It is interesting how Aliyev felt at the same time, having the problem of Karabakh and the Russian military contingent there?

Some direct proctological subtext is seen in your post

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: ButchCassidy

It is interesting how Aliyev felt at the same time, having the problem of Karabakh and the Russian military contingent there?

Probably the fact that you don’t have to spit on history, otherwise history will fire a volley of cannons in response. The appearance of Azerbaijan on the map became possible thanks to the Soviets in 1918, and its statehood took shape under the USSR. In principle, Baku remembers this and, unlike Ukraine, does not seek to spoil normal relations.

[Butchcassidy]

Baku is now in fact non-subjective.

[S_Baykala]

Until .. we got out ...

[woffka]

And they started to take off from the moment when, under the leadership of the ovs, they sawed planes in Priluki

[Mikhail Sidorov]

The territory of this country is used by third countries to create threats against the Russian Federation itself

As he symbolically said at a meeting with Aliyev. A hint at the growing influence of Turkey in the post-Soviet space.

[Looking for]

a sober and real look at what is happening. And difficulties. yes there will be difficulties. but as V.I. Lenin said, "Vladivostok is far away. But the city is ours"

[faiver]

As the saying goes - Don't spit in the well...

[north 2]

decommunization should continue to go through Russia, as a logical conclusion to decommunization begun, say, in the Baltic states. The Balts claim that they have restored their statehood, which the Bolshevik-Communists destroyed in 1940. Naturally, then Russia also has the right to restore its statehood, which the same communist Bolsheviks destroyed in 1917! Within the borders of the Russian Empire on October 1917. And dot. If decommunization is allowed for some, then it should be allowed for others! And Putin, if he were guided by such a fair logic, then today Russia would have been restored within the borders of the Empire of 1917. That is, decommunization would have been carried out. So if decommunization has not yet been carried out in Russia, then it is time to do it ... And do not stop with a piece of Novorossia ...

[woffka]

Quote: 210ox

I would put this word in quotation marks. Of course, the policy in relation to the creation and borders of the union republics was wrong. And then from the GDP I heard some trolling with elements of black humor. Here, you are decommunizing there, demolishing monuments. And I'll show you the real "decommunization" with a return to where you started in the USSR in December 1922 .. From which territories did you go, and which communists gave you. You came with bare feet and you will leave the same way.

They have nowhere to go. Nobody needs them

[Metallurg_2]

You give the country 404 within the borders of 1654!

[Sergio63]

Better in 1773 ... immediately after the annexation of the Crimea and the formation of Novorossia

[Metallurg_2]

For these 120 years, 404 have already managed to give something to the country.

[hohohol]

And how well he said about Odessa, we know the names of those who burned people in 2014, we will find them and punish them. Did I understand correctly that Odessa will soon return to us?

[lvov_aleksey]

Quote: Ravik

Decommunization however!!!

For that fought for it and ran!!! Putin voiced many cities on the Black Sea, where blood was shed even before communism

a phrase that rushes to me: "they have a territory, and we have a people"

[Fisherman]

Judging by the fact that the Yankees are already evacuating their own from Lvov, no one is going to fight with Russia there and they are going to tick. Therefore, the boundaries of the Ruins will be old, but soon as part of the Russian Federation.

[1970mk]

It seems to me that Turkey has every right to simply take a piece from Syria officially .... defending Turkomans .... Germany cut the Czech Republic at one time for the same reason ...

[vervolk]

but who will give it to her? the Russian Aerospace Forces there.

[p0pulivox]

Quote: Zorro21

Quote: Ilya-spb

Lenin was building a completely new state. The country of "workers and peasants". Lenin renounced the Russian Empire. Therefore, he did not give anything to anyone.

Those. drawing the oppressed peoples into the sphere of communist influence on the basis of supporting their nationalist enclaves and distributing the territory of the Russian Empire under their control are not gifts. Although I would call it geopolitical bribes and the basis for the formation of a future radical nationalismand as a result of which the Russians after 91g. persecuted from all former Soviet republics.

Reasoning of this kind is very similar to political schizophrenia. I would be very interested to hear from you: how do you rate modern national-state policy on the example of Chechnya?

[Sergio63]

We don’t need someone else’s, Tavria, Novorossia, Little Russia are primordially Russian lands !!! Even Lemburg (Lvov) was once a Russian city. It is necessary to start from Pravoberezhnaya, and then the rest will catch up ... Russia - forward !!!

[Evil 55]

Russia needs good neighbors and it does not matter how many quasi-states will be formed from the regions of the Ruins, as long as they are headed by sober-minded adequates.

[p0pulivox]

Just on topic news:

[bulava74]

Thanks to the "genius" of Ulyanov-Lenin, our country received the problem of nationalism and the risk of disintegration from it. His slogan: "Each breed of dog-nations has self-determination - deceitful and hypocritical. He needed the support of the local elites of the Russian Empire, so he fulfilled it by throwing them a bone. Moreover, then an uprising is brewing in Germany. And this country would never have entered the composition of the USSR as a province.