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IL-76MD-90A began flight tests

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IL-76MD-90A began flight testsSeptember 22 made the first flight of an Il-76MD-90А transport aircraft made by Aviastar-SP in Ulyanovsk!

The aircraft, which has a serial number 01-02 and received the registration number RA-78650, was transferred to the flight test station 5 in July of this year. After the completion of ground testing of onboard systems, the aircraft proceeded to flight tests.

On September 22, for the first time, the aircraft broke away from the concrete of the Ulyanovsk-Vostochny airfield under the control of the crew as part of the test pilot, Hero of Russia Nikolai Kuimov (commander), honored test pilot of Russia Vladimir Irinarkhov (2-th pilot), Valery Grechko (navigator) Alexei Zhuravlev (flight engineer) and Sergey Orlov (flight operator). The first flight lasted about 40 minutes and passed in normal mode.

After performing several flights in Ulyanovsk, the car will make a flight to Zhukovsky near Moscow to continue the tests.

The upgraded IL-76MD-90А has a number of significant differences from the IL-76MD production aircraft manufactured by TAPOiCH in Uzbekistan.

Thanks to the use of a new wing and a reinforced chassis, the maximum take-off weight was increased from 190 to 210 tons, and the maximum payload from 47 to 60 tons.

Instead of the previously used D-30KP2 engines, new PS-90А-76 produced by Perm Engine Company OJSC were installed on the aircraft. At the same time, due to the greater thrust of the engines, the length of the takeoff run with the maximum take-off weight decreased from 1750 to 1600 meters, and due to the best 12% fuel efficiency, the flight distance with a load of 52 tons increased from 4000 to 5000 kilometers.

Also, the aircraft received a modern flight-navigation complex and a “glass” crew cabin.

The order of the Government of Russia on the development and organization of the release in Ulyanovsk of a modernized IL-76 was adopted on December 20 of the year 2006. After 5 years and 9 months, the first IL-76 transport aircraft, built at a domestic aircraft factory, took off.

Meanwhile, Aviastar-SP continues to build the next two aircraft (No.01-03 and 01-04), their flight is scheduled for the 2013 year.
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  1. spender
    spender 24 September 2012 17: 19
    +20
    I don’t know that something doesn’t work out with BTA, we destroyed it easily, we are reviving with a creak recourse It seems that according to the news, everything is fine and the performance characteristics have improved and navigation, I'm waiting for the specialists to catch up and explain ... hi
    I am glad that we are helping to earn our Russian with Russian engines, and not to someone else’s uncle hi
    1. Joker
      Joker 24 September 2012 17: 55
      +6
      Still the old ones would be modernized, in general the fairy tale would be hi
    2. FID
      FID 24 September 2012 18: 35
      +11
      The military did not timely announce the performance characteristics of the new Il-76. On this instance there is no landing complex, there are no warning systems about the attack, there are still some special systems ... It turned out to be an ordinary transporter for transporting the national economy. As a flight copy for testing, it’s good, but it’s not yet suitable for the BTA. I think when the military formulates the TTZ, there will be improvements to the desired condition. In general, a mess! Only in the summer, whether in July, or in August of this year, the military were born TTZ!
      1. Joker
        Joker 24 September 2012 19: 12
        +1
        Sergey, thanks for such details hi and then, like fools, they built one under-plane and let's blow it all over the country, which is sad at all, until I began to communicate with you and your desires, I thought that at least everything is fine in aircraft construction, it turns out to be the same mess like everywhere else and all this is traditions "HAS NO ANALOGUES" No.
        1. FID
          FID 24 September 2012 19: 16
          +6
          Yes, nothing, Oleg! There really are no analogues! Our aircraft industry is our only competitive industry in the world. That is why it is trampled with special sadism! Competitors do not need capitalists. Yes, and also Poghosyan!
        2. spender
          spender 24 September 2012 19: 17
          +9
          Joker, Oleg here and I like the site because you can get information at first hand. Whose people themselves work in this sector and see the situation with their own eyes, I also read everything okay, but something in my memory "tights", read the comments of the SSI and remembered that they developed without the TK MO, in fact, at their own peril and risk, and that is there with the documentation from Tashkent was (something was not delivered), now they will "bring to mind". Well, okay, how is the penguin's mother "smiling and applauding" laughing
          1. Odessa
            Odessa 24 September 2012 20: 19
            +5
            spender,
            how is the penguin's mom "smile and applaud"

            Callsign, smile and wave! laughing
            And this is anti-flood! On the topic.
        3. VAF
          VAF 24 September 2012 20: 59
          +6
          Quote: Joker
          1 they built a sub-plane and let's blow it all over the country, which is completely sad, until I started talking to you and yours, I thought that in aircraft construction everything was fine with us


          Oleg and I will insert my 5 cents. the namesake spoke modestly, but in fact ..... there is NO aircraft for the BTA!
          They did an ordinary one (yes. New-old. But verified It-76 for citizens)!

          And to bring it to the requirements of the BTA, it’s still ...... in short a lot of time and cost, and the same re-arrangement.

          God grant that VTA's employees, even during repairs, would change the D-30KP2 motors to PS-90 and that .. bread, but the plant in St. Russe will work to its fullest, and, in principle, has always worked well. but only last year I opened 12 pieces !!!
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 24 September 2012 21: 07
            +4
            Hi Seryozha. I think a global breakthrough is not expected in the near future, but at least something is being done, and thanks for the presence of such caring people.
            1. Odessa
              Odessa 24 September 2012 21: 20
              +1
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              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 24 September 2012 21: 23
                +5
                It remains to clarify whose plan we smoke today?
            2. VAF
              VAF 24 September 2012 21: 53
              +6
              Quote: Alex 241
              I think a global breakthrough is not expected in the near future


              Sasha, hello, +! I don’t understand two things at all. Well, at least I don’t understand. recourse

              1. Why did they start collecting IL-76MD-90A, when it was necessary to take and produce IL-76MF ??????

              2. Where did they "secure another 10 tons of carrying capacity ?????

              Armenians and the Volga-Dnepr already operate completely analogous new Il-79TD-90VD aircraft, one to one and a long time ago with 3 Domes ... but the maximum load that they can lift is 50 tons, but 60 tons really Il-76MF could and can, though it has a cargo compartment size of 7 meters longer, etc.

              And here where ???? This is for such fool like Clear Stump ..... urya .. and rushed, but ..... guys, let's ... "live together" wassat
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 24 September 2012 21: 57
                +2
                The usual advertising statement: on October 6, we are going with the guys, my friend is in the LII, I will try it, then I will unsubscribe.
              2. mark021105
                mark021105 24 September 2012 22: 32
                0
                I am not an expert, but if anything, correct it. Il-76 used to be assembled in Tashkent. Given the current realities, it turns out that over the past 5-6 years, production in Ulyanovsk has been established. Now they can and will collect everything that is needed for the needs of Russia.
              3. d.gksueyjd
                d.gksueyjd 24 September 2012 22: 35
                0
                Due to fuel, it takes less fuel on board - more cargo. New chassis + new engines = take-off weight 20 t more (IL76md took off 200 t if correctly calculated)
                1. VAF
                  VAF 24 September 2012 23: 45
                  +3
                  Quote: d.gksueyjd
                  Due to fuel, it takes less fuel on board - more cargo.


                  Dear, you are telling the truths for the 1st year of school on the subject of self-driving, in calculating flight modes for the maximum range and duration!

                  All life was so in all subspecies of aviation empty-fuel-cargo-range. this is an axiom, but here ... the volume of fuel is the same, but the new engines have a slightly better thrust ratio ... etc.

                  But I repeat on the old new IL-76TD-90VD, an exact copy of the IL-76MD-90A and which has been in operation for a long time ... the load capacity has been increased to only 50 tons!

                  the question was ... where else 10 ka, so dear to you ... misalignment (though without a minus drinks )!
          2. Joker
            Joker 24 September 2012 21: 36
            +5
            Oleg and I will insert my 5 cents. the namesake spoke modestly, but in fact ..... there is NO aircraft for the BTA!
            They did an ordinary one (yes. New-old. But verified It-76 for citizens)!

            Seryozha, we are being bred sad and what’s convenient, they did the plane, threw the information in the media, trumpeted it, goofs-uriyayayayayayaaaaa, thanks tsar and god, and after 5 years modernization of the same plane and yuryayayaaaaaaaaa again! But in fact it turned out 1) made an unfinished product 2) completed this product Only now how much money flew into the pipe? It turns out that this is not an example more than if they would immediately do everything. I do not know how much, but I think the assembly itself is installing additional. equipment is worth a lot sad By the way, thanks to Odessite (thank you very much) I remembered today about Ivashov and the story of how he was leaked, I got votes for the nomination, but the trouble is, I didn’t submit documents for verification on time sad and I wanted to vote for him (((
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 24 September 2012 21: 44
              +4
              Yes, those who hold power and do not know what is really happening, they were brought to Zhukovsky in August, something rumbles, well, everything is in order, But the fact that it is either outdated or outdated every year is known only to a narrow circle of specialists Yes, whoever hears them ???????????????
              1. Joker
                Joker 24 September 2012 21: 54
                +4
                Well, as it were, Putin’s crown chip in the elections was rearmament, but he’s not clear what he’s doing. Here either Putin is a traitor, or he doesn’t know about everything that is happening.
                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 24 September 2012 21: 58
                  +4
                  Naturally, they pour it into his ears, beautiful teachings show. Damn the game of soldiers !!!!!!!!!!!!
                  1. aleksandroff
                    aleksandroff 25 September 2012 00: 57
                    0
                    he knows everything. more than yours. damn you when nothing is done, bad. they started to do something worse. it's good that you are not in the government, otherwise it would be a kayuk. and not just a game of soldiers, but at least listen to those in the army. everything is moving. slowly, but moving. and again, Putin served in the KGB and there were and are not fools. minus!
                    1. sleepy
                      sleepy 25 September 2012 02: 12
                      -1
                      A.Bushkov wrote about Putin in detail in his book "Vladimir Putin. Colonel Who Becomes Captain". This book has not been seen on sale for a long time, but it could be republished.
                    2. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 25 September 2012 03: 01
                      -1
                      He served after law school, even a pair of boots without stopping
                2. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 24 September 2012 23: 42
                  -1
                  I just want to add: there were rumors why in Chechnya they did not use KA-50.52, MI-28 helicopters, the Arabs said that if we don’t buy them from you, I can’t confirm this. Unfortunately.
              2. Vito
                Vito 24 September 2012 21: 55
                +2
                Alex 241 Good evening to you.
                Quote: Alex 241

                Yes, those who hold power and who don’t know what is really happening,

                Yes, they all know, only a situation to reverse the will is not enough or desire?
                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 24 September 2012 22: 05
                  +1
                  Good evening, and YOU, if only I knew. As one historian said, from bloody Sunday they will not kill faith in a good king!
                  1. Vito
                    Vito 24 September 2012 22: 10
                    0
                    Blessed is someone who believes!
                    I'm pulling me away from a computer drinks t. Goodbye comrades !!!
                2. Joker
                  Joker 24 September 2012 22: 06
                  +4
                  Here are opinions immediately divided smile I personally adhere to Vito’s opinion, Putin is still a former KGB officer, that means he knows something about the army, and when a person knows, you should praise him at least every day, and he will know the current state. If Putin wants to achieve something, mass purges and landings with executions need to be carried out, and in the best case we will stagnate or digrod in place, until I even know which way we are moving, we have no idea what’s common, nothing why The Soviet Union was rising so quickly, because the people had an idea and a goal, well, Stalin also perpetuated corruption in the bud, and now, unfortunately, none of this exists.
                  1. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 24 September 2012 22: 09
                    0
                    While we look into the abyss, but when the abyss looks at us .......................
                  2. aleksandroff
                    aleksandroff 25 September 2012 01: 01
                    0
                    if purges and executions begin now, then those who wanted them will be the first to howl. Putin will be bad again. even worse. he knows what he is doing.
                    1. sleepy
                      sleepy 25 September 2012 02: 32
                      0
                      aleksandroff
                      Quote: "if purges and executions begin now, those who wanted them will be the first to howl" ...
                      Still, I want justice and a real fight against corruption.
                      And there is a fear that under the guise of a revival of Stalinist purges they will get rid of objectionable.
                      And who will shoot - Bay Tarovtsy have already shot.
                      What does V. Putin have to do with it?

                      http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/720671-0/ МВД разместило на сайте госзакупок заказ на приобретение 25 осколочно-фугасных авиационных бомб, предназначенных для поражения военно-промышленных объектов, легкоуязвимой и легкобронированной техники, а также живой силы.
                  3. sleepy
                    sleepy 25 September 2012 02: 17
                    +1
                    Corruption under Stalin? Kickbacks under Stalin?
            2. VAF
              VAF 24 September 2012 22: 05
              +2
              Quote: Joker
              Seryozha, we are being bred


              Oleg, it’s only left to find out why ?????

              Already above and wrote and showed who is hu in this plane .. and what I have in it .. generally not clear. but I’m not arguing that it’s the best that is good, but we don’t have any better, but .... it has long been ....







              And the engines have long been PS, and the wing is reinforced, and the chassis and glider. and from the ground can and from highlands and in any country buried for flight, because. fully complies with ICAO standards for noise and emissions and has long been worth KUPOL-III-76M-VD, which allows you to meet the requirements for navigation accuracy in RNP-1 conditions and the consumption is 15% less and the maximum range under 10000 plus, etc. and so on

              And then ... settling down .. a new aircraft, and even of its own design Aviastara ?????

              I ... u ... her ... dear edition from this ... zoo!

              This is for people like fool Clear Stump and GOP company .... settling down and that's it ... arrived ....... two days of war with almost the Papuans and ... 8 planes are gone ..... but that's all ..
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 24 September 2012 22: 11
                +2
                Seryozha, you’d use a stormtrooper to fly, you hit it to the point !!!!!!!!!!
                1. VAF
                  VAF 24 September 2012 22: 30
                  +4
                  Quote: Alex 241
                  Seryozha, you’d use a stormtrooper to fly, you hit it to the point!


                  So I graduated from school according to this profile ... IBA and started with the Su-17M2 ... it later ... ... "retrained"! soldier +! wink drinks
                  1. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 24 September 2012 22: 32
                    +1
                    I know Seryozha, I remember your quote about MANPADS in the forehead drinks you know: climbed into the fuselage ..................... soldier hello from the air defense
              2. Joker
                Joker 24 September 2012 22: 11
                +4
                Seryozha, what kind of model is this, I don’t rummage, to be honest? Of course it looks impressive and everything is high-tech in the cockpit, is this a civil option? Seryozha also wanted to ask you, is it true that 080808 shot down our own aircraft? I was just told from third parties about this, supposedly when they launched the airborne-force squad, they accidentally shot down their own aircraft from the needle because they didn’t answer whose headquarters for a long time. The pilot remained alive, catapulted.
                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 24 September 2012 22: 29
                  0
                  What kind of case are you asking about?
                2. VAF
                  VAF 24 September 2012 22: 33
                  +2
                  Quote: Joker
                  Is this a civilian version?


                  Volga-Dneprovsky, one of five!


                  Quote: Joker
                  Is it true that 080808 our own plane shot down? I was just told from third parties about it,


                  True, only the 2nd, 9th and 10th, one of ours. One of the Ossetians ...... where ours, thai pilot alive, and where ... allies ... shot in the air. crying
                  1. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 24 September 2012 22: 36
                    0
                    Seryozha, in connection with this, I have one question: why did the STR and the BIRCH not work?
                    1. VAF
                      VAF 24 September 2012 23: 54
                      +4
                      Quote: Alex 241
                      in this regard, I have one question why the STR and the BIRCH did not work?


                      Sanya Tree is not here at all. if only not Stinger, and only if you see it yourself or a slave .. if it’s open we’ll go to warn, and so ..... and if from different directions then .... well, you have to sweat it for sure.

                      Rutsky was removed from Stinger ...... although Birch is of little use if it is irradiated from several directions. Yes, and look at her. when you need to either PIM or PFP twist .. not much time.

                      Well, if you’re just catching up ... then ... we’ve arrived, though you can reach the house if it’s in the motor, but if it’s in the plane, then ..... go build ..... and by parachute soldier
                      1. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 24 September 2012 23: 57
                        +2
                        Yeah, the bones are overboard, and Mom I can fly.
                      2. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 25 September 2012 00: 04
                        0
                        And you’re right, Seryozha, most likely they even shot in one gulp.
                  2. Joker
                    Joker 24 September 2012 23: 01
                    +3
                    Yeah sad crying it's a shame that this happens, like the 21 century in the yard, are there really no means of recognition crying
                    1. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 24 September 2012 23: 35
                      0
                      I myself am surprised that we had a chance to take off without turning on the SRZO. But the rockets immediately contacted quite categorically: either let them turn it on, or bring them down.
                      1. DIMS
                        DIMS 24 September 2012 23: 49
                        +1
                        Ossetians MANPADS were captured Georgian, since the first war. The Georgians were then afraid of our helicopter regiment, which was in South Ossetia. But it was not necessary to apply. Therefore, I don’t think that the Kudars had any possibility of recognition at all.
                        Well, ours are just a madhouse and a malfunction. No one paid special attention to technology. She was killed in the 19th division in three wars, and the same 42 in general did not even think about the war with someone other than Chechen insurgents. What can I say if they put the T-62 into service, and it will do.
                    2. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 25 September 2012 00: 09
                      0
                      With the development of protective equipment, means of destruction are improving, this is dialectics. But with the improvements we have ........................
              3. White
                White 25 September 2012 09: 14
                0
                And I have such a question, I read on another forum that - Volga-Dnepr is not particularly happy with the IL-76, although the plane is very good, but it has a serious drawback: it has a cargo compartment, there is no telpher and the standard container is not included in width two rows.
                Is it true or so someone chatted.
                1. FID
                  FID 25 September 2012 09: 39
                  +1
                  The cargo compartment is equipped with two cargo winches installed near the front bulkhead, four electric hoists with a lifting capacity of 2,5 tons and four subracks, the width of which can be changed. For the convenience of loading and unloading, the rear hoists can extend beyond the threshold of the ramp by 5 m. The floor of the cargo compartment is equipped with roller tracks, which makes it possible to load, unload and drop non-self-propelled mono-cargoes.
                  This is a description of the cargo compartment of a conventional IL-76. Draw your own conclusions.
                  1. White
                    White 25 September 2012 09: 53
                    -1
                    Got it !!!
      2. Dimonanet
        Dimonanet 25 September 2012 10: 21
        +1
        But do not tell me how we are doing with wide-body aircraft? We are building these Ily-76 and Msy-21 here ... they are certainly good, but maybe they hastened ??? Could open a new page in aircraft construction ???
    3. nycsson
      nycsson 24 September 2012 19: 11
      +4
      Good news, what can I say! good
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 24 September 2012 22: 06
        +5
        Quote: nycsson
        Good news, what can I say!

        Alexey ...... well, you understand
    4. spender
      spender 24 September 2012 19: 52
      +7
      Here a little more

      КAs soon as the aircraft successfully completes its first test flights, “a contract for several dozen vehicles for the Russian Armed Forces will be concluded,” said Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin at the opening of the forum, RIA Novosti reports.

      Earlier this year, the commander of military transport aviation, Lieutenant General Viktor Kachalkin, noted that in accordance with the state armament program, calculated until 2020, in 2014 the supply of modernized heavy aircraft will begin. “We will get 41 Il-76MDM aircraft and 40 Il-76MD-90A aircraft,” General Kachalkin said in early June.

      The factory has a task by 2016, launch production of 16 Il-76MD-90A aircraft per year, in turn, said the general director of Aviastar-SP Sergey Dementyev. Under this program, he said, it is planned to recruit additional staff - five thousand people.

      While contracts for the purchase of these aircraft have not been concluded, Dementiev admitted, but There are prospects for a state contract for state defense orders - about 90 vehicles, plus commercial and export orders.

      The Il-76MDM program provides for the modernization of the Il-76MD combat aircraft, which is in service with the military transport aircraft of the Russian Air Force, and the Il-76MD-90A program - for the production of new aircraft with PS-90A-76 engines, modified wing design, and new ones on Aviastar airborne systems and a "glass" crew cabin.

      The cabin of the crew and the flight and navigation complex have been substantially modernized. So, Eight multi-function LCD displays and three smart control panels are now installed in the cockpit. Glazing of the cockpit provides a good overview from the workplace of pilots and navigator.

      By plane IL-76MD-90 The Kupol-III-76M digital flight-navigation complex is being installed, which provides solutions to various problems of aircraft navigation. In particular, it is designed to work with navigation databases, including the global base: when preparing a flight plan, when flying along a route, when maneuvering in an aerodrome zone and landing approach.
      1. VAF
        VAF 24 September 2012 21: 21
        +3
        Quote: spender
        We will get 41 Il-76MDM aircraft


        Lesha, this is super real, I already wrote above, 123 ARZ makes 12 cars a year. so that you can get more. The main thing is that Perm motors would supply engines.

        Now ... so to speak, as always ... a visual aid. for better mastering and ... "consolidation" of the material! wink

        IL-76MD



        IL-76MDM



        Well, the new cab is not IL-76th:



        Here are just an interesting moment looms and as a result .. question: - .... this is understandable. that the civilian Il-76TD-90VD will differ from the military MD'ki due to the military specifics and in the installation of other equipment and systems, about which my dear and deeply respected Seryozha wrote a lot! (that's bent, from ..... feelings, probably wink drinks therefore, this year ... finally, the GLITS finished testing the IL-76MDM and, so to speak, the plane received a ticket to life fellow I emphasize once again ... this year!
        but how then to explain here THIS .......... recourse

        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 24 September 2012 21: 27
          0
          The Italians bought the A-50, or IL-76 and installed their equipment?
          1. kadcin-max
            kadcin-max 24 September 2012 21: 51
            0
            And this is in exchange for Italian tanks ...... laughing
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 24 September 2012 22: 01
              +1
              Or clothes for the Kremlin inhabitants laughing
          2. VAF
            VAF 24 September 2012 22: 09
            +3
            Quote: Alex 241
            The Italians bought the A-50, or IL-76 and installed their equipment?


            Not Sanya .. these are Hindus. The complex itself is Israeli, and Avionics Hindu-Italian!
            And by the way, the cockpit did not attach to the top kommenta pilot, now I will fix it!

            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 24 September 2012 22: 21
              +1
              Cut flags like Italy, or am I mistaken? Sorry for the stupidity.

              now considered Seryozha, oh old age is not a joy laughing

              I also look at the angle of installation of the stabilizer changed.
            2. d.gksueyjd
              d.gksueyjd 24 September 2012 22: 41
              0
              Cool cabin (no armored backs?) Thanks for the photo
        2. Joker
          Joker 24 September 2012 21: 40
          +3
          but how then to explain this

          And this is Seryozha, military secret wink they themselves mess around there and periodically send news to the tricks so that the tsar’s tsar would fall into his feet more often, but why would they know that we had been pushing him abroad for a long time, that’s the state. my secret wassat for you already left hi
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 24 September 2012 21: 48
            +1
            I wonder why not AWACS? It seems to be a NATO bloc country.
        3. Vito
          Vito 24 September 2012 21: 48
          +2
          I’m an aviation specialist and I apologize in advance to the pilots and techies present on the site, but in my opinion, besides INDIA, such AWACS aircraft, we would at least have 15 pieces. The 20th would not hurt, for our immense MOTHERLAND!
          Or do we have such a composition ???
          1. Joker
            Joker 24 September 2012 21: 51
            +3
            I am not special in state. orders hi but something tells me that we don’t have a damn thing, this is by analogy with the purchase of fighters, 30 itself, 150 abroad.
          2. Alex 241
            Alex 241 24 September 2012 21: 54
            +1
            Previously, the regiment stood in Šauliai, then transferred to Pechory. You see, after Šauliai, to hell with horns, people began to scatter, which is hard to say now.
            1. BARKAS
              BARKAS 24 September 2012 22: 15
              0
              Please explain as an amateur why in a modern airplane a crew of 5 people?
              1. d.gksueyjd
                d.gksueyjd 24 September 2012 22: 45
                +1
                For the preparation of the aircraft by the crew on the outside of the base AER, and during combat (by the way, 5 people are few min.6)
              2. Alex 241
                Alex 241 24 September 2012 22: 51
                +2
                Aircraft is a collective weapon, there is also a ground crew: technicians, specialists in AO, RLO, AB, TEC, etc. who are preparing the plane for departure, and serving it, and doing all the dirty work, it’s a pity that they forget about it, and few people know. But without their work, not a single plane will fly into the air.
          3. VAF
            VAF 24 September 2012 22: 51
            +4
            Quote: Vito
            Or do we have such a composition ???


            Man Vito, we have ... a little bit. Now A-50s with the Bumblebee complex are based in Ivanovo, in the common people (mushroom, grebe, etc.) 2457 DRLO base



            Here are just a new one, with a new complex. A-50U is still one ... the second is not ready yet

            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 24 September 2012 22: 59
              +2
              Oh beauty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

              Seryozha sat down with us, while taxiing to the parking lot, damaged the right console on the trees, while the soldiers were waiting for the repairmen to plunder the equipment, then they caught them at the local radio market, they raised decent deadlines. Well, by the way.
        4. DIMS
          DIMS 24 September 2012 22: 18
          +3
          Quote: vaf
          but how then to explain this

          This is a product of Israel Aerospace Industries, commissioned by India.

          http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/first-aew-il-76-for-india-begins-fligh
          t-testing-224518 /
          1. VAF
            VAF 24 September 2012 22: 56
            +1
            Quote: DIMS
            This is a product of Israel Aerospace Industries, commissioned by India.


            For a person of smart prompts .. I explain .... I meant that on the planes supplied by the Tashkent civilian plant, the company in the TD version has long ago used all the "novshevstava" for which they tell us in this article, news and give an example. that would not jump off (the usual tactics of uryapatriots and uryapatriots), well, the same civilian car .. and this type will be military. So that's why I attached a photo with our A-50 aircraft. in which all these bells and whistles are the same, and what it is stuffed with, where they did and who led and what were the problems, with names, surnames, passwords and appearances ... I can enlighten ... without your links! soldier
            1. DIMS
              DIMS 24 September 2012 23: 01
              -1
              Next time, do not make riddles so that others do not go into Google
              1. VAF
                VAF 25 September 2012 00: 00
                +2
                Quote: DIMS
                Next time, do not make riddles so that others do not go into Google


                But isn’t it easier. in that specific topic in which. Well, you don’t quite understand just listening. and what do not know .. ask or ask?
                For example, I always do this for example. and to ask anyone so completely deserving of people who are worthy in all directions here .. and they will tell and show and .. if necessary.
                So I'm not shy to ask, and you .. shameful?

                Are you going to Google right away? In Google, what we are discussing here will never be written!
                Regards,
                1. DIMS
                  DIMS 25 September 2012 00: 03
                  -4
                  Maybe they won’t write. However, your riddle turned out to be his one tooth.
                2. alexng
                  alexng 25 September 2012 01: 45
                  0
                  Sergei, I'm sorry to get into the conversation, but I have one question, if I'm aware of course. How are things at the Ulyanovsk aircraft plant? My son works as an aircraft designer at the Irkut corporation and went on a business trip to Ulyanovsk to bring technology up to the Irkut level. So he told me on the phone with emotion: - "Dad, they are still working here on drawing boards." For him it was unexpected and, to put it mildly, without much delight. It was two years ago. What is there now? If there is infa, then throw it off. I think that things are the same at other factories somewhere.
                  1. alexng
                    alexng 27 September 2012 12: 49
                    0
                    And Sergey left unanswered and even minusanul. winked
  2. wasjasibirjac
    wasjasibirjac 24 September 2012 17: 38
    +1
    it would be better if they were made bigger, rather than counted as a few things
    1. spender
      spender 24 September 2012 17: 41
      +4
      Quote: wasjasibirjac
      it would be better if they were made bigger, rather than counted as a few things

      The main thing is that without haste and emergency in Ulyanovsk, normal production is organized ... smile Who better than we Russian to know that rush is needed only in three cases ... wassat
  3. Senzey
    Senzey 24 September 2012 17: 39
    +2
    The plane with the old engines was good, but again with a swallow. Happy and fruitful flights to the modernized workaholic!
  4. strannik595
    strannik595 24 September 2012 17: 44
    +5
    this picture is more suitable to the tone of the article
  5. Wedmak
    Wedmak 24 September 2012 17: 44
    +3
    Everything is fine, only .. let's move your paws faster! smile After all, the right car. To him add An-70 as a medium and something of light transport and in a series, a series!
  6. ra4lhw
    ra4lhw 24 September 2012 17: 56
    0
    The first flight lasted 28 minutes!
  7. Moga
    Moga 24 September 2012 17: 56
    -1
    Very good news !!!
  8. anfreezer
    anfreezer 24 September 2012 18: 00
    +3
    "The first flight of the new Il-476 transport aircraft, which is a deep modernization of the Il-76, will take place in 2011. According to ITAR-TASS, said the President of the United Aircraft Corporation Alexei Fedorov." Backlog per year .. The trend, however .. what Poghosyan, probably, with his "Puper" got lost. But a large and efficient military aviation group is a vital condition for maintaining the combat effectiveness of the Russian Armed Forces.To be convinced of the validity of this, it is enough to look at the map of the roads and railways of Russia and make sure that a significant part of the territory of our country is accessible only with the help of aviation.
  9. Genry
    Genry 24 September 2012 18: 04
    +1
    In! It will be what to transport tanks in Russia!
    1. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 24 September 2012 18: 13
      +1
      The best place for hangar tanks is that it’s better to transport something useful, for example, humanitarian aid for the United States or Great Britain (the word Great Britain was specially written with a small letter) ...
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 24 September 2012 18: 16
        +1
        You forgot to put the phrase "humanitarian aid" in quotation marks ... smile
  10. ShturmKGB
    ShturmKGB 24 September 2012 18: 09
    -1
    New options are impressive! New aircraft practically!
  11. snek
    snek 24 September 2012 18: 19
    +1
    Good luck with the new car and its builders!
  12. gribnik777
    gribnik777 24 September 2012 18: 38
    +1
    This is of course a transporter. But having tumbled down from the ustatku onto my duffel bags, flying on it seemed akin to a trip on a Meren. I didn't even feel how they took off and how they sat down. SWALLOW-FOOT!
  13. Normal
    Normal 24 September 2012 18: 42
    0
    Good news. Now the question is mass. Without BTA there is no airborne. it is difficult to imagine modern aircraft without airborne forces. There will be a mass series means really rise.
    1. v53993
      v53993 24 September 2012 19: 29
      0
      Unfortunately, mass production is not mentioned in the article.
      1. Normal
        Normal 24 September 2012 23: 36
        -1
        I read the comments of SSI vafa and Alex 241 and realized that I’m happy early. As always, PR and propaganda. There will be no series. Anyway, big and soon
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 24 September 2012 23: 48
          +1
          Volodya You know the main thing all the same people, there will be people, there will be airplanes, and your favorite airborne forces, and who is minus on this subject, I don’t understand. And if again the experts of the extra class will scatter to the markets and secret police, then ......
          1. Normal
            Normal 25 September 2012 06: 56
            -1
            Alex 241

            Good morning, Aleskander.
            Unfortunately, a huge part of specialists has already fled. In Ulyanovsk I don’t know how, but in Moscow and the Moscow Region it’s a matter of seams. It’s sad.
            Quote: Alex 241
            who minuses about this, I do not understand

            Do not pay attention. smile I have a "well-wisher" who minuses all posts. Even congratulating the tankers on the professional holiday, and then neglected. laughing Here, as they say: whatever amusement, if only it would not hang ...
        2. aleksandroff
          aleksandroff 25 September 2012 01: 20
          0
          do not particularly listen to others. they don’t know the ways of government. so, pure gag. we will have everything. it’s just after 90s it’s difficult to restore such a colossus. and even more so with such a people. how many do not do bad. and vaf is just a pilot, not a member of the government. and there are military friends. and no one like vaf did anything. everyone says that everything is going and not worth it.
          1. Normal
            Normal 25 September 2012 07: 05
            -1
            Quote: aleksandroff

            do not particularly listen to others. they don’t know the ways of government.

            And good morning to you, Alexander.
            The ways of government are not so confessed. I live on the same road to the capital with many of them. I know some personally, some through my friends, relatives and classmates. I don’t even know the appointees of our government; I worked under them for several years. So I know what kind of company this is. And probably better than you, so I have no illusions about the authorities
            1. aleksandroff
              aleksandroff 25 September 2012 10: 17
              0
              Good morning, Vladimir. I also know some, although I'm not from Moscow. but when you listen to them and those close to them, it also seems that everything is at the level of rumors. whoever is less patriotic finds something to blame, and vice versa. I just want to say that there are shifts everywhere, in all areas. maybe for some contrary to common sense. but in Russia everything is contrary to health. but after all, no matter how scolded, I’m still happy about the main thing that we can put America in place a little. and they listen. which means we are growing. and thank God they took, at the very least, for armament. and again it pleases too.
              1. FID
                FID 25 September 2012 10: 38
                +2
                Excuse me for interrupting not being invited, but can’t say where you can watch the progress? I just work in the aviation industry, it would be very interesting.
                1. aleksandroff
                  aleksandroff 25 September 2012 14: 24
                  0
                  Sergey, I’m talking about the general condition of the country. and everything is bad - poor, but moved. if the 90s continued, then we would hardly have had an aviation industry and not only it. and now I’m even happy that our pilots began to fly. I don’t know about you, but we didn’t see any salaries. and now they pay very well on time. unless of course work. and I think Sergey, just look around, compare and see the progress in the aviation industry. I think if we woke up in the morning in those days, then everyone would howl. just forgot (thank God, gave people such a feature - forget).
  14. Yasen Ping
    Yasen Ping 24 September 2012 18: 58
    +2
    September 22 made the first flight of an Il-76MD-90А transport aircraft made by Aviastar-SP in Ulyanovsk!

    I was pleased with the exclamation mark at the end of the phrase)) I am waiting for Vaf to send it all ....
  15. GP
    GP 24 September 2012 19: 00
    +2
    I don’t know if the Ulyanovsk and Tu-shki (episode 204), and the Antonovs (Ruslan were going to produce there) will be pulled, as well as Ilya (76th). what
    1. FID
      FID 24 September 2012 19: 10
      +7
      Quote: GP
      (Ruslan gathered there to produce)


      Do not produce. Restore production. Fears are not groundless, although the plant is large!
      1. GP
        GP 24 September 2012 19: 35
        0
        Back in 2009, reported
        From office site.
        "2009 - Two Tu-204-100V were put into operation .... A project for the production of a new modification of the Tu-204 aircraft, the Tu-204SM model, was launched. At the same time, the production of a new product" 476 "is in full swing at the enterprise. Aviastar has carried out a large-scale work to prepare the enterprise for the resumption of production of heavy transport aircraft An-124-100 Ruslan.

        http://www.aviastar-sp.ru/aviastar_ru/index.htm
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 24 September 2012 19: 38
          0
          Usually "products" we call a prototype. So don't lie.
          1. FID
            FID 24 September 2012 19: 48
            +3
            Quote: Wedmak
            Usually "products" we call a prototype.

            Why experienced? At the head factories, everything that has the code and stamp C, or CC, is called a "product".
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 24 September 2012 19: 52
              +1
              So it seems like it happened, or "object" or "product". And all new weapons are always and everywhere secret. smile
              1. FID
                FID 24 September 2012 20: 00
                +2
                Yes, in general, there is nothing particularly new on this machine. Is, motors, but PS-90 still developed in the Union. I do not know.
                1. Wedmak
                  Wedmak 24 September 2012 20: 06
                  +2
                  Nobody has yet canceled industrial espionage ....
            2. Alex 241
              Alex 241 24 September 2012 20: 10
              +1
              Please enlighten if you own the info.: What is the new PNK, engines, what changes have affected the wing, the chassis. The statement about the glass cabin smiled. And before that, what was it like?

              We called everyone a product, and even for voicing the product number it was possible to get hooked, I remember how I blurted out product 01, politely hinted that it is better to keep your tongue shut.
              1. FID
                FID 24 September 2012 20: 15
                +3
                Quote: Alex 241
                The statement about the glass cabin smiled. And before that, what was it like?

                A glass cabin is a euphemism. Simply, instead of electromechanical devices, in front of the pilots - LCD indicators - usually there are 6-8 of them. These displays display all the necessary information. Indicators are called: KPI - a comprehensive flight indicator, KINO - a comprehensive indicator of the navigation situation and indicators of the integrated electronic display system KSEIS. Plus aircraft control panels in automatic modes.
                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 24 September 2012 20: 20
                  0
                  Thank you, I just understood the statement literally. Thank God we worked on ergonomics.
                  1. FID
                    FID 24 September 2012 20: 31
                    +2
                    Yes, not at all! And a new wing .. You see, the motors are different, so the mounting scheme is changing, the mechanisms for releasing slats are changing, then yes .... In the end, the relative length of the wing may increase, but a lot of things.
                    1. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 24 September 2012 20: 38
                      +2
                      The declared characteristics are given without taking into account the installation of additional equipment on the aircraft.
                      1. FID
                        FID 24 September 2012 20: 50
                        +3
                        If you mean the landing complex, etc., then yes. Characteristics are given on a bare car, and, as you know, it has not yet flown. After the flight tests, what will happen is hard to say. An example is a superjet. After almost a year of operation in the AFL (Aeroflot), the real range of the aircraft, with a commercial load, is 2400 km, instead of the claimed 4500.
                      2. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 24 September 2012 20: 53
                        +3
                        I don’t even want to talk about the Superjet, we played around, sawed the money, As a result, we get the same IL with improved ergonomics.
                      3. FID
                        FID 24 September 2012 20: 59
                        +5
                        Well, I already hear a normal opinion, + to you. Well, the characteristics will improve, the motors will be better, newer avionics. Of course, this plane cannot be called new, but ... The Americans have long been engaged in similar activities: B-52, S-130, S-5, the list goes on.
                      4. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 24 September 2012 21: 03
                        +2
                        Thank you, BUT it’s a pity of course that the NK engines crushed, I think it would be a breakthrough. Well, at least so the guys who fly have made life easier, and thanks for that.
                      5. Bad_gr
                        Bad_gr 25 September 2012 20: 32
                        +1
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        BUT it’s a pity, of course, that the NK engines crushed ...

                        No positive news on NK-93? It seems that Putin himself, a few years ago, promised support in his promotion, help to bring his certification and production ..... ...
                      6. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 24 September 2012 21: 21
                        +2
                        By the way, I have a question about S-130. I saw a shot of take-off from the back of the commander of a ship. So, when he steered, he turned the small steering wheel, at the bottom left, the nose stance does not control the nose pedals on this plane. Do you not know ?, I also clarify the plane was an Arctic version, skiing, but took off from the concrete.
                      7. FID
                        FID 25 September 2012 07: 38
                        +1
                        At large angles of rotation, when taxiing, for example, the nose stance is controlled by an additional mechanism. It is arranged on all aircraft. On the run and take-off, when the turning angles are small, the bow stance is controlled by pedals.
        2. FID
          FID 24 September 2012 19: 46
          +4
          And since 2009, one Tu-204-300 aircraft for the SLO, two Tu-204SM aircraft (for flight tests), and one Il-476 were made to this day. Cool, right? And the factory was the largest in Europe.
          1. VAF
            VAF 24 September 2012 21: 29
            +4
            Quote: SSI
            And since 2009, one Tu-204-300 aircraft for the SLO, two Tu-204SM aircraft (for flight tests), and one Il-476 were made to this day. Cool, right? And the factory was the largest in Europe.


            Seryoga, more careful, but now Clear Stump will run .. to hang out from the disorder, and if he finds out. what did he do. rather collected almost 5 years ?????
            That’s all then ... generally extinguish the light! lol
            1. Odessa
              Odessa 24 September 2012 21: 37
              +3
              VAF,
              That’s all then ... generally extinguish the light!

              Mascara light, throw a grenade! fellow
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 24 September 2012 21: 39
                +3
                Ticking lads, cabbage soup wink
                1. alexng
                  alexng 25 September 2012 01: 57
                  -1
                  Where does it come from? lol
    2. aleksandroff
      aleksandroff 25 September 2012 14: 29
      0
      I think you should not worry. we have, as usual, the bosses from Moscow (especially headed by the president) will arrive, they will immediately find the power. this is always the case in our country. the authorities arrive and there are roads right away. so here is the same.
  16. v53993
    v53993 24 September 2012 19: 17
    +3
    You can’t do such things in one place, every freshman in the military academy knows about this.
  17. AIR ZNAK
    AIR ZNAK 24 September 2012 19: 19
    +2
    The economy also needs this car .. And do not forget that if something happens, civilian transport aviation will be brought in by the Ministry of Defense for good deeds. Among other things, it was civilian planes and crews that were the first (and so far it seems to be the last) to land on an ice airfield in coordination with MAP (from the Krasnoyarsk base airport) and the report also went to the Ministry of Defense. It is worth mentioning the airborne transport missions to supply the High-Latitude expeditions. And this is also civilian. did.
  18. BARKAS
    BARKAS 24 September 2012 19: 40
    +2
    It can be assumed that an increase in payload from 47 to 60 tons indicates the mass of a promising new tank.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 24 September 2012 19: 42
      +1
      It’s kind of silly to carry one tank on an airplane. Yes, and it is impossible to drop it from the air. But for a couple of new BMDs - it could very well be.
      1. DIMS
        DIMS 24 September 2012 19: 52
        +1
        In one country, riots. By agreement with the government, a limited contingent of troops has been introduced there to protect Russian citizens and property. The rebel forces looted the depots and military units, and use armored vehicles and weapons.

        How will this task be solved with the help of BMD?
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 24 September 2012 20: 03
          0
          Quote: DIMS
          In one country, riots. By agreement with the government, a limited contingent of troops has been introduced there to protect Russian citizens and property. The rebel forces looted the depots and military units, and use armored vehicles and weapons.

          I'm afraid in this case this is already a full-scale military operation. To introduce tanks and other armored vehicles against the rebels in the city .... BBBrr ... Airlift of the required number of tanks will take many planes, and a lot of fuel will be consumed. And besides them, people still need there, light equipment, and so on and so forth. It’s easier to send a couple of dozens of tanks by train at once, and to transfer the same BMD and airborne assault planes with airplanes with reinforced anti-tank systems.
          1. DIMS
            DIMS 24 September 2012 20: 05
            0
            And who will allow you to carry out something full-scale there? Local allowed reinforced battalion and basta.
            Fighting with both the lawful and the rebels is clearly not an option.
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 24 September 2012 20: 11
              0
              But you yourself set the conditions:
              Quote: Wedmak
              The rebel forces looted the depots and military units, and use armored vehicles and weapons.

              It will be great stupidity to go in there with one reinforced battle. The locals set the conditions, so let them fight ...
              Я very I hope that the practice of "zerg rush" is not used in our army and will never be used.
              1. DIMS
                DIMS 24 September 2012 20: 38
                0
                The second option is not to climb. Observe, carry the corpses of Russian citizens and receive plumes from public opinion in their country
                1. Wedmak
                  Wedmak 24 September 2012 20: 46
                  0
                  Discuss the imaginary situation, and even with the conditions of the local - well, thank you ...))) There are a lot of things to dream up.
                  1. DIMS
                    DIMS 24 September 2012 22: 08
                    0
                    She is not imaginary. This has already happened. But, fortunately, the situation in Kyrgyzstan calmed down
      2. BARKAS
        BARKAS 24 September 2012 20: 42
        0
        The reasons for transporting heavy armored vehicles by air are many, for example, for display at an arms exhibition and simply delivering to customers if other delivery methods are difficult.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 24 September 2012 20: 45
          0
          Well, if so, then yes. I thought a little different application.
  19. Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 24 September 2012 19: 47
    0
    domestic device, happy, God forbid, will go into a series ...
  20. Wedmak
    Wedmak 24 September 2012 20: 15
    0
    By the way, I remembered who was in the know, it seemed like they had created a very good engine - NK-93, sort of like it was tested, now it is in what condition?
    1. MI-AS-72
      MI-AS-72 24 September 2012 20: 31
      +1
      And there is no it, according to many declared and partially confirmed during the initial stage of testing, the parameters were better than the PS, but their lobbyists turned out to be shitty. There was also a modernization project. Ukraine offered a modernized D-30KP, under the name "Burlak", it is more powerful and more economical according to the statements, but we (Russia) did not even consider this option, it was much more attractive from an economic point of view. And the SS is yesterday, according to ICAO standards for noise and emissions, it has already come almost to the edge, so as soon as the tests are finished, it will not be allowed into Europe by the year 20.
      1. FID
        FID 24 September 2012 20: 39
        +4
        As far as I remember, even in our parliament the request was regarding NK-93, but things are still ..
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 24 September 2012 20: 46
          +1
          This engine can not be launched into the series for 15 years !!!!!!!!!!!!!! The company is almost bankrupt.
  21. Ivan Tarasov
    Ivan Tarasov 24 September 2012 20: 36
    0
    Well, 60 tone is what was required.
    New promising tanks are on the way, and there already, most likely, the mass will go off scale for 50 tons.
    So, in the future, the new machine will be able to easily transfer modern armored vehicles (tanks weighing 57-58 tons).
  22. Brother Sarych
    Brother Sarych 24 September 2012 20: 38
    +1
    Is this still the last Tashkent instance brought to mind or have you already built a new one?
    1. VAF
      VAF 24 September 2012 22: 14
      +3
      Quote: Brother Sarich
      Already built a new one?


      New, but that’s what was taken out of Tashkent together with the equipment ....... we don’t recognize it .... at least .. now .... but since they blinded TD-ku, not MD, then .. ..... and the fact that the military didn’t issue TTZs ..... but what about the Urya complex, the President, who was about to take off and was preparing to install the Il-476 on a military vehicle ????? + bully
  23. REPA1963
    REPA1963 24 September 2012 21: 28
    +3
    But in appearance it’s the same 76 as 30 years ago, and by the way they flew quite softly too, though I can’t say anything about landing, I landed on it only once in all other cases there were only take-offs .....
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 24 September 2012 21: 33
      0
      Very interesting statement about the number of take-offs and landings wink please clarify.

      Sorry now it dawned, apparently they were landing.
    2. VAF
      VAF 24 September 2012 22: 16
      +1
      Quote: REPA1963
      , landed on it only once in all other cases there were only take-offs .....


      This is clear. that from heaven to earth and into battle. but didn’t really only once somewhere tossed for the entire service life ??? +! recourse
      1. Normal
        Normal 24 September 2012 23: 17
        +1
        Quote: vaf
        This is clear. that from heaven to earth and into battle. but didn’t really only once somewhere tossed for the entire service life ??? +!

        Hello and respect to the veteran.
        Valery probably jumped off. I think I won't be offended if I answer for him.
        I think that those who served an urgent in the Airborne Forces, especially before the collapse of the Union, there were not many transfers. From the training camp to the place of permanent service Well, if someone got to Afghanistan then there are 2-3 alterations And if you weren’t in the training camp and didn’t get into Afghanistan, then there’s not just one landing just landing, like mine
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 24 September 2012 23: 20
          +1
          Once again, I apologize for my post, did not want to offend, especially a person who has epaulets of the same color as mine.
        2. VAF
          VAF 25 September 2012 00: 05
          0
          Quote: Normal
          I think that I won’t be offended if I answer for him.


          My enormous landing drinks !

          yes .. not a lot ..... I sincerely believed that with relocation. Well, like like DShB on a new theater (conditional) Well, at least once every three months recourse

          And on the An-12th had, in the cargo compartment .. without oxygen?
          1. Normal
            Normal 25 September 2012 07: 17
            0
            Quote: vaf
            My landing is enormous!

            Thank you Sergey and good morning.
            Maybe in the 60-70s and more often I had to relocate, then there was such an attitude that the airborne forces should know all the possible theater of operations. And I served in the 80s and we were already sitting still. Ilya stood in my opinion in Pskov and for our service we had in Kirovabad twice. Once when regimental exercises were held. The second time the regiment of our division was transferred to Afghanistan. And so everything on the An-12. Without oxygen it was not necessary - they flew low, somewhere around 000m. - from the loading point to the landing point it was less than 100km
          2. Bad_gr
            Bad_gr 25 September 2012 20: 43
            0
            Quote: vaf
            And on the An-12th had, in the cargo compartment .. without oxygen?

            I am not a paratrooper, but the AN-12 in Afghanistan flew decently with a passenger. The cargo compartment is not airtight, but did not notice that passengers would be a burden. They didn’t fly low, but they just dived to the airfield. In the AN-26, for example, benches stand along the walls, and when approaching the airfield, the plane in a roll included reverse on the screws. The tilt in the cabin was such that if you did not hold on to the bench, you could fall on the wall behind which the pilots, and the airfield was clearly visible in the porthole on the opposite wall.
  24. MI-AS-72
    MI-AS-72 24 September 2012 21: 55
    +8
    Structural restructuring in the aviation industry ended with the creation of a "black hole" for the partial disappearance and absolutely ineffective use of finances, by the way, sovereign ones, when projects 10 ... 20 years ago are "unearthed", they are issued as another "world breakthrough", Then everything quietly goes down on the brakes , the breakthrough turns out to be a bluff, officials and bargaining managers with money, there are no guilty parties, everything is fine, Russia, however.
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 24 September 2012 22: 07
      +1
      DO NOT SAY BETTER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    2. VAF
      VAF 24 September 2012 23: 00
      +2
      Quote: MI-AS-72
      Structural restructuring in the aviation industry ended with the creation of a "black hole" for the partial disappearance and absolutely ineffective use of finances, by the way, sovereign ones, when projects 10 ... 20 years ago are "unearthed", they are issued as another "world breakthrough", Then everything quietly goes down on the brakes , the breakthrough turns out to be a bluff, officials and bargaining managers with money, there are no guilty parties, everything is fine, Russia, however.


      Eugene, ++++++ !!!!! good drinks
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 24 September 2012 23: 02
        +2
        Seryozha, this is now called a subtle marketing move. When I hear this, my hand starts looking for a cabaret. !!!!!!!!!!!!!! soldier
  25. Walker
    Walker 24 September 2012 23: 12
    +2
    Commersants will. And they don’t want to buy for the Motherland.
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 24 September 2012 23: 15
      +1
      Dear Mikhail, businessmen have been working in the business aviation segment for a long time, or as it is also called business aviation, such machines are needed as air in the army and civil transportation.
      1. Walker
        Walker 24 September 2012 23: 33
        +2
        Alexander ! I tried to say in a nutshell. But you just said everything for me ...
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 24 September 2012 23: 36
          +1
          Osta drinks sitting and smoking
  26. Walker
    Walker 24 September 2012 23: 21
    +1
    Dear Alexander! H
    so I wrote =)
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 24 September 2012 23: 25
      +2
      Mikhail, I wanted to say that no one will invest in our aircraft industry, even buying our cars. Although you are right in some things, some of our planes and helicopters operate on a contract basis abroad, but again this is private capital.
  27. afire
    afire 24 September 2012 23: 23
    0
    here is the news! who complained there that only promises? here you are :) just need a little patience and not scream :)
  28. Walker
    Walker 24 September 2012 23: 25
    -1
    What is so pleased?
  29. Walker
    Walker 24 September 2012 23: 43
    +1
    I can only express my opinion on the IL-76, this is a funky plane, I do not understand the specifics, but I do not know the best transporter!
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 24 September 2012 23: 54
      0
      I support Misha with two hands !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! On the second tube, type NIKOLAY ANISIMOV. There is a song about Ilyusha, our hard worker has been humping the sky across the sky for so many years .. ..Highly recommend.
  30. dimonanet1
    dimonanet1 26 September 2012 12: 46
    -1
    all is good!

    everything is very good!