Indian press: Russia and Germany refused to participate in the tender for the sale of submarines for the Indian Navy

The Indian authorities are holding a tender for the purchase of six new submarines for the needs of the country's naval forces. However, procurement has already run into problems as foreign companies able to bid are looking for more time to formulate their proposals.

Initially, Russia was also going to take part in the purchases. A project based on the submarine 677E "Amur-1650" should have been sent to the competition. However, then Moscow decided to refuse to participate in the competition for technical reasons. At least that's what the Indian press says. The corresponding material was published by the Indian columnist Manu Pabbi in The Economic Times.

Interestingly, after the terms of the requirement were announced, they refused to participate in the tender for the sale of submarines for the Indian Navy and Germany. Representatives of the German company complained about the inadequate amount of funding:

For such funds it is impossible to build anything.

At the same time, the amount proposed by India is not called.

South Korea is also not very eager to participate in the tender, as it is concerned about the transfer of technology.

At the same time, Rosoboronexport emphasized that Russia has long been cooperating with India in the supply of submarines for the needs of the Indian fleet. Therefore, in order to strengthen the Indian submarine fleet, Russia offered India both the supply of new diesel-electric submarines of the time-tested Project 636, and the supply of Project 877 submarines after their withdrawal from the Russian Navy and modernization.

Thus, it is not yet very clear whether New Delhi will be able to realize its ambitious plan to build new submarines at all. On the one hand, against the backdrop of the growing power of the Chinese Navy, India really needs more advanced submarines, but the nature of the requirements and low funding scare away potential contractors from the project.

Comments

[1976AG]

How the Indians conduct these tenders, so what for them! They have seven Fridays in a week. Like Ukrainians with NATO, so Indians with their tenders.

[Orange bigg]

So far, only the French have successfully mastered Indian dances. NPL Scorpen and Rafali are an example of this.

[TermNachTer]

If I were the Indians, I would not be very happy - the French are famous scammers. No matter how later, these French buns did not become across the throat)))

[Starover_Z]

Quote: 1976AG

They have seven Fridays a week.

They want to eat fish cheaper and get technology for beautiful dances!

[SKVichyakow]

Quote: Starover_Z

Quote: 1976AG

They have seven Fridays a week.

They want to eat fish cheaper and get technology for beautiful dances!

Greed breeds poverty. Wanting is not harmful, the main thing is not to overestimate self-esteem.

[Real Pilot]

It is normal for India to cancel tenders and then launch them again. It happened so many times...

They first declare RFI (Request For Information - a request for information), then RFP (Request For Proposal - a request for an offer). At what stage was the process? And there are many more questions, because military procurement is a rather difficult thing. Price, terms, requirements...
And if we simply use the word "tender", then the situation is not at all clear.

If the strongest potential participants (and Russia is very competitive in price) immediately refused, then the Indians want too much for too little. Probably the terms will change.

[Avior]

Indians need VNEU.

The Russian side is ready to provide India with the supply of submarines with an anaerobic power plant in the event that the country officially announces a corresponding tender.

As noted in the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation, the submarine will be finalized in accordance with the requirements formulated by the customer. In particular, one of the main requirements of the Indian side to manufacturers is that the submarine has an anaerobic (air-independent) power plant (VNEU).

But that was back in 2015, in Russia then it was considered possible to create such an installation. Since then, it seems that they don’t believe in VNEU even in Russia. :(
But here's a message from 2021

KUBINKA / Moscow region /, August 25. /TASS/. Rosoboronexport (part of Rostec) received a request for proposals under the P75i project for the supply of submarines for the Indian Navy. This was reported to TASS in the press service of "Rosoboronexport" during the International military-technical forum "Army-2021".

"In accordance with the official press release of the Indian side, on July 20, 2021, a tender was announced for the construction of six Project 75(i) submarines with an air independent power plant (VNEU).

[Fff]

VNEU was installed on the Saint Petersburg submarine (electrochemical engine), and then they went nuts when it produced only 30% of its power. Now she is being dragged for exercises in the Mediterranean Sea by tug) for 6 years she was not accepted into the fleet, she was listed as combat training, and now she has been accepted. It can be seen from the submarine it became very tight. So we don’t have adequate VNEU

[Yarhann]

adequate VNEU are needed by those countries that do not know how to build nuclear submarines. And so everyone who has such technologies does not even have this garbage in the fleet - the USA (there is not even diesel garbage), France (the nuclear submarine of the Ryubi project is smaller than Varshavyanka - there are also no diesels and VNEU in the composition), the Russian Federation (we are unique in having vigorous technologies we are building and diesel garbage, and even chasing diamond boats with limited performance characteristics but with VNEU). God grant that the project of our VNEU would be closed as soon as possible, and the loot would be directed to other needs - as did the countries (USA and France) that can build submarines no worse than the Russian Federation.

[Reserve buildbat]

If you had the ability to evaluate and analyze, you would understand that you can’t stuff nuclear submarines into the Black Sea))) Strange, right? So, it is necessary to abandon the submarine fleet in the Black Sea? In addition, when relatively small and quiet submarines are needed, using nuclear submarines is idiocy. If only because diesel-electric submarines on an electric ship are many times quieter than nuclear submarines. And if the submarine is not designed for many months of trips through the entire ball, the reactor is useless. Diesel is enough

[Yarhann]

tell the French about stuffing, the silence of the electric ship, etc.)) back in the 80s they built the magnificent multi-purpose nuclear submarine Ryubi - smaller than the Warsaw one - is still in service. And the dimensions of my good diesel-electric submarine are limited precisely by the power of the power plant and the supply of fuel, the nuclear submarine does not have such a limitation, it can be small like Ryubi or huge like Shark.
And also very hilarious price tags for these undersized nuclear submarines - German 212 cost more than half a yard of oiro))) And the Ryubi series (6 pcs) came out at a price like one modern full-size multi-purpose nuclear submarine)))

[Reserve buildbat]

You are our illiterate ... Do you not know about the Montreux Convention? So get acquainted, and at the same time think about the necessary and sufficient. Or, when you need to bring a TV home, do you order BelAZ?

[Yarhann]

oh la expert la literate))) once again for those who in the Ryubi tank have a displacement less than Varshavyanka! The cost is less than German garbage 212 with VNEU, and as a gift the mountain + which the nuclear submarine has before the sub-submarines. Varshavyanka is still a Belaz in comparison with Ryubi. And yes, my good la eksperd - the seas and the coastline of the Russian Federation do not end with the World Cup.

[Reserve buildbat]

discussion is useless. Are you clinical...

[Yarhann]

expert is more visible))))

[fa2998]

Quote: RealPilot

and Russia is very competitive in price)

Quote: RealPilot

and Russia is very competitive in price)

Do not blame only the Indians. Does Russia have what the Indians need (VNEU)?
No. Yes, and Russia cannot "pressure" economically and politically.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: RealPilot

If the strongest potential participants (and Russia is very competitive in terms of price) immediately refused

They (the Russian Federation and the Federal Republic of Germany) refused so as not to anger the PRC, diesel-electric submarines, this hidden weapon is not easy to destroy them, and the PRC has sea communications through the Indian Ocean to BV and Africa ...

[barclay]

That's who the French can sell their backlogs that were not sold to Australia.

[Avior]

The Indians, unlike the Australians, are quite suitable for most tasks.

[APASUS]

There are requirements like a spaceship, and the price is like a pair of shoes. A familiar situation and still need to transfer technology

[Avior]

In reality, the Indians would need to hold a tender between the Germans and the French.

[Flooding]

Quote: OrangeBigg

So far, only the French have successfully mastered Indian dances.

yes nothing complicated

[Simple]

This is how they met a delegation from aliens five thousand years ago.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Nice .... submarine ...)

[Stepan S]

Russia offered India both the supply of new diesel-electric submarines of the time-tested Project 636, and the supply of Project 877 submarines after their withdrawal from the Russian Navy and modernization.

For the offered rupees, this is the most profitable offer.

[sen]

Indian press: Russia and Germany refused to participate in the tender for the sale of submarines for the Indian Navy

The law of the market is not profitable. Nobody wants to work to their detriment. And the US will agree to such conditions?

[Thrifty]

They voiced their demands - they definitely need something that we cannot bring to mind an anaerobic power plant!

[nerd.su]

Quote: Thrifty

they definitely need something that we cannot bring to mind an anaerobic power plant!

do the Germans have it?

[TermNachTer]

I think that Russia should now focus on strengthening its Navy and Air Force, and not on import orders. Thanks to the rise in agriculture and energy prices, the budget can do without several billion dollars. But the defense will grow.

[fa2998]

But it is the owners-businessmen-oligarchs who will receive "several billions of dollars" from the increase in export prices. And they will leave them abroad. And military orders are made by state-owned enterprises (or with a solid part of the state). - so that foreign orders do not interfere with ours.

[Pastor]

The Indians are overreacting. Continuous corruption and optionality frighten even our people.

[Charik]

So it seems that the Indians blinded 6 Barracudas? So they would have stamped further. Oh, Skarpen.

[Russian Bear_2]

I wonder how long this tender will last, probably canceled and then a new one will be announced.

[Victor Dubovitsky]

Quote: TermNachTER

If I were the Indians, I would not be very happy - the French are famous scammers. No matter how later, these French buns did not become across the throat)))

In fact, the Indians did not order any boats. Yes, and who will allow them? They live on reservations in the North of the USA, and they don’t know about all the perturbations about submarines. Here are the Indians, it is quite possible. Are you confusing Greek with buckwheat? What have they been fooled by here?

[gsivbytw]

Selling submarines to India? A country that cannot even exploit them competently? The staff of which managed to drown the boat - simply without checking its sealing!?

[Yarhann]

ok what was that? )))