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The media shows footage of the shelling of the model of the Merkava Mk4 tank from the Kornet-D ATGM

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A video report dedicated to the Russian Kornet-D anti-tank complex was posted on the RT Online YouTube channel. This product was mainly compared with the American Javelin ATGM. But foreign observers were attracted by the latest footage, which depicts the defeat of a target that looks similar to the Israeli Merkava MBT. The shelling of the layout is discussed in the media tank Merkava Mk4 from ATGM "Kornet-D".


As stated on The Dead District resource, the video shows a model of the Merkava Mk4 tank. The observer believes that a volley of two missiles is used to destroy armored vehicles with a very small difference in time when they are fired. According to him, a double launch allows you to overcome the complex of active protection of the tank. This refers to the Israeli-made KAZ Trophy.

It is the only combat-proven active protection system in the world, in service since 2011.

- indicated on the website of the manufacturer Rafael.

KAZ Trophy in recent years is becoming more common in the armies of the West. In particular, American Abrams tanks are equipped with them when they are upgraded to the latest modification before being sent to Eastern Europe "to contain Russia." In the West, it is believed that the Israeli KAZ makes armored vehicles almost invulnerable in the face of an enemy equipped with anti-tank systems.

The media shows footage of the shelling of the model of the Merkava Mk4 tank from the Kornet-D ATGM


For example, British journalist Willard Foxton, who covered military conflicts from the front line, twice witnessed the use of Kornet ATGMs on Merkava tanks. According to him, when he visited Lebanon for the first time in 2006, while watching the Battle of Wadi Saluki, he saw two Mk4 tanks destroyed by this missile when it hit the back of the vehicle.

This is a really modern, really powerful missile designed to take on the most secure tanks ever built.

- the journalist thought then, expressing his opinion on the Quora resource.

However, after equipping the KAZ Trophy tanks, his views changed:

What was true in 2006 may not be true now.

According to a British journalist, during the 2014 invasion of the Gaza Strip, “Israeli tanks were not even damaged, let alone destroyed, despite hundreds of ATGM attacks, dozens of which were Kornet missiles.”

In 2006, it was possible to destroy a Merkava tank with a Kornet if it was in a bad tactical position. It's much less likely now.

- summed up the journalist in 2018.

However, since then the Russian defense industry has not sat still. The Kornet operator can now launch more than one missile using a portable version of the ATGM, but fire in a volley using a multi-shot launcher developed on the basis of the Tigr armored car. This scheme of operation of ATGMs allows, as noted in social networks, to overcome the "unsurpassed" Israeli protection Trophy.

The video shows the shooting of the Kornet ATGM at a target in the form of a tank (from 7:14):

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  1. Trapp1st
    Trapp1st 11 February 2022 19: 48
    +17
    using a portable version of the ATGM, and fire in one gulp, using for this a multiply charged launcher developed on the basis of the Tiger armored car.
    This is not a way out of the situation; you cannot replace a fighter with an anti-tank system, especially in a city, with a tiger. The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, just yesterday, need a 3rd generation ATGM operating in the upper hemisphere, just as KAZ is actually needed ...
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 11 February 2022 21: 03
      -17
      As an Englishman in his report, he changed his shoes in flight, he saw two burned chariots 4, and now he sings that the tanks were not built at all, such as during the shelling of the Cornet, not one Israeli tank was injured wassat
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 11 February 2022 21: 13
        +22
        The tanks were knocked out in Lebanon before the KAZ Trophy was installed.

        After the installation of KAZ, there were no tank losses in operations in Gaza.
        Two intercepted ATGMs and one RPG grenade were reliably confirmed.
        1. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 11 February 2022 23: 14
          -5
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Two intercepted ATGMs and one RPG grenade were reliably confirmed.

          Nothing, "Hook" will solve the problem. yes
        2. Masaaq
          Masaaq 12 February 2022 15: 49
          -7
          No, there is confirmation from the Israelis themselves that KAZ does not guarantee 100% protection. If you believe what they write on Wikipedia, then Israel lost from 43 (according to the Israelis) to 240 (according to the Islamists) merkav NOT during "Lebanon".

          And the cost of KAZ is incredibly high - almost 1 million dollars. Especially if you also take into account the cost of anti-tank systems and just grenade launchers. Therefore, the expediency of the Israeli, albeit quite effective (according to Izaril) KAZ, is still in question.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 12 February 2022 16: 15
            +13
            "then Israel lost from 43 (according to the Israelis" ///.
            ---
            It happened in 2006 to KAZ Trophy installations.
            It was irretrievably lost - 5 tanks.
            Of more than 40 lined.
            These losses stimulated the urgent installation of KAZs on tanks.
            Kit price - $500,000
            with a tank cost of 4 million dollars
          2. Vitaly gusin
            Vitaly gusin 12 February 2022 16: 32
            +5
            Quote from Masaq
            If you believe what they write on Wikipedia, then Israel lost from 43 (according to the Israelis) to 240 (according to the Islamists) merkav NOT during "Lebanon".

            If you are already writing about losses, please indicate when and under what circumstances.
            In general, read about the Merkava Barak and then you will understand what a modern tank is.
            Well, not a single insurance policy gives 100%.
    2. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 11 February 2022 22: 22
      +8
      This is not a way out of the situation; you cannot replace a fighter with an anti-tank system, especially in a city, with a tiger.


      It is possible to fire at the same time 2 ATGM crews with an interval of 1 second, the first missile will be removed by KAZ, the second will pass through the defense and hit the tank.

      And then there's this thing -



      RPG 30, after a shot, a small one flies in front of the main grenade, which initiates the KAZ so that the main grenade hits the tank.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 11 February 2022 23: 18
        +8
        Trophy copes with the "Hook", they figured out how to shoot down two grenades.
        The problem is high speed attack vehicles.
        1. Puzoter
          Puzoter 12 February 2022 10: 16
          -1
          That's interesting, but is your KAZ holding a line from a heavy machine gun?
      2. YOUR
        YOUR 12 February 2022 05: 27
        -1
        Do not confuse KAZ with dynamic protection. And his range is too small, only 200 meters.
      3. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 12 February 2022 06: 09
        +5
        Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
        And then there's this thing

        KAZ seabzhen 4 radars with sensitive AFAR, and a powerful computer. The difference in ERP between the blende and the main ammunition cannot be hidden. Therefore, the selection of goals today is not a problem (in my opinion, this issue was resolved back in 2016).
        In addition, the system software is regularly updated.
        1. Puzoter
          Puzoter 12 February 2022 10: 19
          -9
          At the range of a grenade launcher, it is possible to damage the radars from a sniper rifle or a heavy machine gun before firing, and thus solve the KAZ problem.
          1. And Us Rat
            And Us Rat 12 February 2022 15: 16
            +10
            Quote: puzoter
            damage radars with a sniper rifle or heavy machine gun

            It remains to find suicide bombers ready to do it.
            Do you have any idea how transparent today's battlefield is for armies of this technological level?
            1. Puzoter
              Puzoter 12 February 2022 20: 00
              -2
              Directly and transparently? Did they teach you to see through the walls in urban areas? I doubt.
              1. And Us Rat
                And Us Rat 12 February 2022 20: 35
                +7
                Quote: puzoter
                Directly and transparently? Did they teach you to see through the walls in urban areas?

                Will the tank cut through the streets alone? Without support and intelligence?
                Do you yourself understand the stupidity of such a tactical scenario? Or do you a priori consider any potential enemy a herd of imbeciles?
            2. Puzoter
              Puzoter 12 February 2022 20: 02
              -7
              Suicide bombers are just not a big problem - any soldier walks under bullets anyway, and for a chance to destroy the enemy and survive, many will risk it, I assure you.
              1. And Us Rat
                And Us Rat 12 February 2022 20: 36
                +5
                Quote: puzoter
                and for a chance to destroy the enemy and survive, many will risk

                The heroism of the soldiers is a forced consequence of the stupidity of the commanders.
                1. Puzoter
                  Puzoter 14 February 2022 19: 36
                  -1
                  Liberal lies.
                  1. And Us Rat
                    And Us Rat 14 February 2022 20: 14
                    0
                    Quote: puzoter
                    Liberal lies.

                    Argument.
    3. Lykases1
      Lykases1 11 February 2022 22: 23
      +5
      Given the weight of the cornet, I would call it conditionally portable. With a tiger, in my opinion, more realistic
      1. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 12 February 2022 06: 26
        +11
        Quote: Lykases1
        With a tiger, in my opinion, more realistic

        If from the category of "spherical horse in a vacuum", then yes.
        In fact, Israel has not yet exported the Mk4. And to the tank in the AOI itself, at a salvo distance from a single vehicle, the chances will approach 0.001%. It will be copied and sawn out from the air, even at the distant approaches.
        Iranians in Syria do not even have time to unpack their toys.
        So, a portable ATGM is the only chance to sneak up on the launch distance.
        Although, when KAZ "Trophy" entered service, not only the damage to the tank, but also the survival rate of ATGM operators decreased radically.
        An attentive person is struck by one discrepancy. There were many launches on the Mk4 in Gaza (over a hundred), and only a few interceptions, but there were no losses of tanks.
        And the trick is that when a launch is detected, the system (in active-automatic defense mode) turns the turret and fires at the launch point. A tank mine (the default charge in such operations) flies much faster than an ATGM, killing the crew, destroying the launcher and, accordingly, disrupting the missile's guidance.
        1. SSR
          SSR 12 February 2022 19: 04
          0
          Quote: And Us Rat
          And the trick is that when a launch is detected, the system (in active-automatic defense mode) turns the turret and fires at the launch point. A tank mine (the default charge in such operations) flies much faster than an ATGM, killing the crew, destroying the launcher and, accordingly, disrupting the missile's guidance.

          It turns out interestingly.
          It turns out that if the "Trophy" is really so nimble, then what will happen to the helicopter that launched the rocket from a distance of a couple of kilometers?
          1. And Us Rat
            And Us Rat 12 February 2022 20: 26
            +4
            Quote: SSR
            It turns out that if the "Trophy" is really so nimble, then what will happen to the helicopter that launched the rocket from a distance of a couple of kilometers?

            Provided that he somehow miraculously gets to the launch distance without being shot down by fighters and air defense - then using a second-generation ATGM that makes it hang and accompany the missile - it has a solid chance of hitting a tank shell in the forehead. And if he shoots at a group of tanks united in a network-centric unit, he is definitely a khan. One will hit.
            The whole point of the third generation ATGM is to launch a missile and abruptly dump it out of the return fire zone.
            In history, there were cases of a helicopter shot down by a tank gun, long before the advent of KAZ.
            And Israeli tankers are practicing countering attack helicopters during exercises, training on drones and their Air Force. CICS Mk4 allows you to capture, track (calculate ballistics) and hit air targets at ranges up to 5-6 km. The limitation exists only on the angular speed of rotation of the turret and guns.
            1. SSR
              SSR 13 February 2022 18: 30
              0
              Quote: And Us Rat
              And Israeli tankers are practicing countering attack helicopters during exercises, training on drones and their Air Force. CICS Mk4 allows you to capture, track (calculate ballistics) and hit air targets at ranges up to 5-6 km. The limitation exists only on the angular speed of rotation of the turret and guns.

              Ours at the Biathlon from a machine gun.
              In general, of course, ours are imprisoned for a different concept of war, but the Jews (imha) are moving in the right direction.
              Compact, self-sufficient army in the theater. They don't need "Grady", "Verba" S-400, Tu-160, they are the same one tank, they make 3in1.
              PS.
              I hope ours to Armata will attach a UAV on the wire.
              1. And Us Rat
                And Us Rat 13 February 2022 21: 28
                0
                Quote: SSR
                compact

                More than half a million, given the reservists (And the reservists are the main force of the IDF during the war), not so compact.

                Quote: SSR
                They do not need Grads, Willows S-400, Tu-160

                Not entirely true, in the IDF there are analogues of all of the above, except perhaps for strategic bombers.

                Quote: SSR
                I hope ours to Armata will attach a UAV on the wire.

                Why on a wire? UAV support, in my opinion, should be more flexible.
  2. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 11 February 2022 19: 48
    +22
    It is undoubtedly possible to suppress KAZ with the number of attacking missiles.
    Any air defense is suppressed in the same way.
    1. igorspb
      igorspb 11 February 2022 19: 55
      +15
      About air defense, you know everything for sure))))
    2. Momento
      Momento 11 February 2022 20: 38
      -6
      in my non-professional opinion, if the threat of a double launch is real, then they will recognize the double launch in KAZ. repulsing a double launch is not much more difficult.
      1. lucul
        lucul 11 February 2022 20: 56
        -7
        then they will make the recognition of a double start in KAZ. repulsing a double launch is not much more difficult.

        To beat off a double launch, you will need a double KAZ ammunition load))))
        And the place on the tank is not rubber)))
        1. sidoroff
          sidoroff 11 February 2022 21: 42
          +6
          so after all, anti-tankers on the Tigris or
          no Tigre no immortals. something has already flown towards them.
        2. Momento
          Momento 11 February 2022 22: 26
          +8
          judging by the Israeli video, the trophy throws something like a grenade along a ballistic trajectory.
          that is, the starting device is something like a spring or something. recharges very quickly. in the picture maybe a second.

          By the way, the video surprised me. it turns out that the trophy calculates where the ATGM was launched from and automatically aims the tank's cannon there. and I think this is very painful for those shooting at the tank.
          1. Claus_19
            Claus_19 11 February 2022 22: 39
            -9
            I saw this, but apparently the Chinese JD-5 was meant here, and as for the Trophy, it seems that they don’t put it in Israel anymore. they sold the Yankees, although on the M1 she didn’t get up normally
            1. And Us Rat
              And Us Rat 12 February 2022 06: 44
              +10
              Quote: Klaus_19
              and about the Trophy, it seems to be no longer staged in Israel.

              They put. And equipment plans are scheduled for years to come, until a newer KAZ is put into production to replace it.

              Quote: Klaus_19
              on M1 she didn’t get up normally

              Got up. Ordered (and already installed) more than 350 sets. Then they ordered more, like it was about 1500 sets.
          2. 3danimal
            3danimal 11 February 2022 23: 28
            +5
            Shooting at the tank in anticipation of a place in an imaginary world with goodies smile
        3. YOUR
          YOUR 12 February 2022 05: 31
          +4
          Why double? It will simply work as long as there are charges in the KAZ. ATGMs are also not endless. And the tank also has a gun. It will detect the launch site and fire. Considering that tanks do not fight alone, then hitting a tank is another task. And the biter himself and the infantry defend him and the BMP.
          This applies to all tanks.
          1. And Us Rat
            And Us Rat 12 February 2022 06: 46
            +9
            Quote: YOUR
            And the biter himself and the infantry defend him and the BMP.

            Most importantly, it is covered from the air and provided with intelligence.
      2. Tomcat_Tomcat
        Tomcat_Tomcat 11 February 2022 21: 11
        0
        Quote: Momento
        then they will make a recognition of a double start

        and what for? Each of the ammunition is perceived by the KAZ (even the existing one) as an attacker. TWO ATTACKING AMMUNITION. The speed of the radar is enough. It’s just that according to the second KAZ, it may not have time to work out physically - reloading, preparing the next shot, etc.) How will they respond to this? They just increase the speed of the system, that's all. Or they can go the "stupid" path - by installing a double set of counter-projectiles. It's easy. The FCS will give out one impulse now and the second after 0,01 sec (conditionally) - and that's it. on existing technology. Nothing interferes, the usual trigger and the second launcher - and everything works.
        But if they go further, then KAZ will be able to shoot down BOPS, and not just "duplets".
        1. Tomcat_Tomcat
          Tomcat_Tomcat 11 February 2022 21: 40
          +4
          Y-yes ... People don’t understand how KAZ works at all. "Expeds" can only draw a minus. At least the face was marked.
          1. kot423
            kot423 11 February 2022 22: 28
            -9
            Quote from Tomcat_Tomcat
            People don’t understand how KAZ works at all

            I saw a photo on the Internet when a handicraft KAZ was stuck on an infantry fighting vehicle (no time to look, Google to help). So, when practicing KAZ, he broke through the bulletproof (fragmentation) armor inwardly. Now a little strength of materials (if they passed): how thick should the cover of the "1st layer" of KAZ be so that there is no detonation from the operation of the "second" and what power should the charge of the 1st have in order to fold this cover later? + without breaking through the armor of the MBT, how did you break through on the BMP?
            1. Tomcat_Tomcat
              Tomcat_Tomcat 11 February 2022 22: 32
              +8
              Show the video first, then we'll figure it out. And then here some cite handicraft gratings as an example, and draw far-reaching conclusions.

              PS KAZ cannot break through the armor, because it is a radar with anti-missiles, which are initiated at a distance from the armor and hit the ammunition with a fragmentation field, which is directed down and outside the armored hull. Do you really understand what you are talking about? Let's first video, then we'll figure it out and then you'll stick cons if something goes wrong.
              1. kot423
                kot423 11 February 2022 22: 34
                -5
                Quote from Tomcat_Tomcat
                then you will stick minuses if something is wrong.

                I'm not in the habit of putting minuses on opponents (unless they're completely stubborn and others like them). And the video - unfortunately I don’t have time to search at the moment, as I informed above.
                1. Tomcat_Tomcat
                  Tomcat_Tomcat 11 February 2022 22: 35
                  +9
                  Quote: kot423
                  And the video - unfortunately I don’t have time to search at the moment, as I informed you above

                  in this case, the question is - do you confuse KAZ and DZ?

                  PS I know a lot about KAZ, due to the specifics of my former job. Of course, I won’t reveal everything, and I can’t - you yourself understand - but what is possible - I will explain as best I can.
                2. Tomcat_Tomcat
                  Tomcat_Tomcat 11 February 2022 22: 42
                  +7
                  And sopromat, I, of course, studied. Moreover, they tried to leave me at the department, but did not succumb to the temptation. Therefore, I am inclined to believe that you still confused KAZ and DZ.
                  How "Contact" breaks through thin armor - I saw it myself.
              2. Momento
                Momento 11 February 2022 22: 52
                +2
                here is the video. the most interesting thing is at the end - there you can see the mechanism for throwing out the ammunition.
                https://topwar.ru/55284-kompleks-aktivnoy-zaschity-trophy-oprobovan-v-usloviyah-realnyh-boev.html
                1. Tomcat_Tomcat
                  Tomcat_Tomcat 11 February 2022 23: 02
                  +5
                  Thanks, I saw it. I know it. Perhaps it will be interesting to my opponent. It is clearly seen how the fragmentation field of the counter-ammunition acts downward.
                  Or did you want to say something else?
                  1. Momento
                    Momento 12 February 2022 00: 03
                    +3
                    no - they just asked for a video and it so happened that I watched it 5 minutes ago. just wanted to help.
            2. Momento
              Momento 11 February 2022 22: 42
              +6
              this is not an active KAZ.
              active trophy works like this:
              1 afar radar detects anti-aircraft guns.
              2 if it flies into the tank, then the computer calculates the direction of flight and turns the launcher with kaz ammunition there.
              3. The ammunition is thrown in the direction of the gun and is detonated with a certain delay.
              4. Kaz grenade fragments hit anti-tank guns.
              the kaz grenade itself is primitive - it does not have an engine. there are only stabilizers that make the flight a little more gentle than ballistic tranctoria. the detonation delay is not clear - it seems to be just standard.
            3. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 11 February 2022 22: 43
              +10
              "So, when practicing KAZ, I broke through the bulletproof (fragmentation) armor inward" ///
              ---
              You confused KAZ - "complex active of protection
              with DZ - "dynamic protection".
            4. konstantin68
              konstantin68 12 February 2022 12: 04
              +5
              Quote: kot423
              I saw a photo on the Internet when they stuck a handicraft KAZ on an infantry fighting vehicle

              You are talking about passive dynamic protection.
            5. The comment was deleted.
            6. Dmitry Zadorozhniy
              Dmitry Zadorozhniy 13 February 2022 16: 14
              0
              You have confused the active protection complex and dynamic protection.
        2. Oleg Olkha
          Oleg Olkha 11 February 2022 22: 16
          +9
          Again, this long-term cartoon about "delays and doublets" on some fictional arena where they shoot only in one direction ... When developing the "Trophy", such an enemy's possibility was taken into account from the very beginning, therefore, mini-cumulative cores (50-100 units each with their own cumulative action) were located in the MEFP module in segments capable of being fired by the radar and the computer in turn, with the necessary delays, forming a continuous plasma jet to "overlap" both the decoy and the main charge of those entering it. Since then, three or four generations of this entire economy have changed, constantly improving. (On the renders of drones, there are generally some kind of long "needles", and not mini-cores, maybe from a bulldozer, or maybe they know what ...) Active protection is not an absolute, but it allows you to successfully operate where it used to be problematic. PS. and it is important that the place of shooting is determined instantly and transmitted to all those involved on the ground and in the air, including. grazing UAV.
        3. Momento
          Momento 11 February 2022 22: 30
          +10
          the trophy shell was changed - at first it was solid. now it's fragmented. if two ptura fly close to each other, then the fragments will touch the second ptur. and if not quite one after another, then you can throw another grenade.
          in general, shooting at a target or at a merkava are two big differences. especially if you know that the merkava will shoot back.
        4. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 12 February 2022 06: 48
          +6
          Quote from Tomcat_Tomcat
          KAZ will be able to shoot down BOPS

          "Trophy" can't yet, but "Iron Fist" already can.
      3. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 11 February 2022 22: 30
        -1
        repulsing a double launch is not much more difficult.


        This is impossible, since the detonation of a rocket or a grenade with fragments flying in all directions blinds the KAZ AFAR and it cannot detect and hit the second rocket.
        1. Momento
          Momento 11 February 2022 22: 45
          +5
          afar takes the target long before the explosion. he will calculate the second ptur even before the defeat of the first.
        2. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 12 February 2022 06: 57
          +9
          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          grenades with flying fragments blind AFAR in all directions

          It doesn’t blind, the developers are not dumber than you and took this into account.
          At one time, a bunch of Europeans died hunting in Africa, believing that the hippopotamus could not run. wink
      4. Capt cook
        Capt cook 11 February 2022 22: 38
        -5
        I would have learned Russian, only because in both cases, it is NOT written together. I understand how difficult it is to be a migrant, but you still have to learn the language :-(
        1. anthonindex
          anthonindex 14 February 2022 12: 28
          -2
          Quote: Capt Cook
          I would have learned Russian, only because in both cases, it is NOT written together. I understand how difficult it is to be a migrant, but you still have to learn the language :-(

          NOT with verbs is written separately, with the exception of some cases.

          DO NOT spell:

          1) in verbs that are not used without NOT: hate, dislike, resent, be perplexed;

          2) in verbs with the prefix NEDO-*: undersalt the soup, undereat during a drought.
    3. DED_peer_DED
      DED_peer_DED 11 February 2022 21: 44
      -1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      It is undoubtedly possible to suppress KAZ with the number of attacking missiles.
      Any air defense is suppressed in the same way.

      It is possible in other ways.
      Interference is possible.
      It is possible by way of exceeding the speed of the KAZ system.
      It can be done using complex methods.
      There is no 100% protection.
      1. Avior
        Avior 12 February 2022 00: 09
        +1
        It is possible by way of exceeding the speed of the KAZ system.

        How is that? ATGM hypersonic?
    4. DED_peer_DED
      DED_peer_DED 11 February 2022 21: 54
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      It is undoubtedly possible to suppress KAZ with the number of attacking missiles.

      How will KAZ react to the queue of the 14,5 mm KPVT machine gun?
      How will he take it? What will be left of him?
      How good is this application as a "wank" and blende KAZ?
      1. Lykases1
        Lykases1 11 February 2022 22: 36
        +4
        Why not in an ambush. Conditional triplets. Sniper, machine gunner, grenade launcher. The sniper hits the optics, suppose the machine gunner removes the body kit, and the grenade launcher, respectively, finishes it off. But this does not work in all situations.
        1. DED_peer_DED
          DED_peer_DED 11 February 2022 22: 44
          +1
          Quote: Lykases1
          But this does not work in all situations.

          I can't help but agree. This is clear. I am touched by the attitude of some discussing about the "impenetrability, immortality, ideality" of this or that solution.
          Their hope for permissiveness and security is simply shocking, sometimes.
          For such "comrades" I just want to show the cartoon "Fock of All Trades Doc"
      2. Momento
        Momento 11 February 2022 22: 48
        +2
        most likely the bullet will penetrate the kaz (the ammo storage device does not look heavily armored) and the trophy will be able to use only one ammo.
        judging by the size of the trophy, it has approximately 5-7 ammunition on each side.
        1. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 12 February 2022 07: 08
          +5
          Quote: Momento
          most likely the bullet will pierce the kaz

          It won't break. Declared by the manufacturer. I think up to 7.62 inclusive.
      3. indy424
        indy424 11 February 2022 22: 48
        +4
        the question is how 14.5 will react to the tank's gun.
        1. Momento
          Momento 11 February 2022 23: 02
          +4
          I don’t know if the trophy can calculate the trajectory of a bullet. if this were so, contact wars would probably end)
          and this is a very interesting thread. is it possible to make a counter-battery radar that calculates the flight of a bullet?
          1. And Us Rat
            And Us Rat 12 February 2022 07: 13
            +5
            Quote: Momento
            is it possible to make a counter-battery radar that calculates the flight of a bullet?

            Anti-sniper systems have been around for over a decade.
            https://defense-update.com/20060726_spotlite.html
      4. Barberry25
        Barberry25 11 February 2022 22: 52
        -1
        like any attachment on a tank, it will not endure very well
      5. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 11 February 2022 22: 58
        +10
        "How will KAZ react to the queue of a 14,5 mm KPVT machine gun?" ///
        ---
        How would a machine gunner react to a buckshot shot from a 120 mm tank gun? sad
        The projectile explodes and forms a cone of fragments in front of the target.
        In Lebanon, in this way, a group of militants was filmed with one shell.
        Tanks are not blind. IR optics.
        There were few machine gun attacks on tanks.
        1. Lykases1
          Lykases1 12 February 2022 06: 24
          -3
          Maybe not blind. But hardly fantastic sighted. It is one thing to survey the area from afar, and another to wait for an attack from all sides during a battle. In addition, the tank is not a person. This fighter can jump out of the corner, see the danger and quickly crawl back. The tank to returned to one side, framed the other.
    5. Barberry25
      Barberry25 11 February 2022 22: 52
      +1
      if you remember the fighting in Iraq and Chechnya, then RPGs are used massively and very often there, so yes, KAZ in a city prolongs the life of a tank, but not very significantly, if you don’t use specialized RPGs
      1. 3danimal
        3danimal 11 February 2022 23: 20
        +8
        but not very significant

        In the vast majority of cases, we are talking about one or two missiles. And to intercept them or not will be a matter of life or death for the car and crew.
        Just the same "slightly".
        I suppose that if KAZ is installed everywhere on Russian tanks, you will change the dismissive attitude smile
        1. Barberry25
          Barberry25 12 February 2022 00: 01
          0
          everything depends on the tactics of use - tanks should not operate in the city without the support of the infantry. Iraq and Chechnya showed this well, but if you drive it thoughtlessly, then the KAZs will not be saved when a dozen and a half RPGs fly into the tank at a time
      2. Lykases1
        Lykases1 12 February 2022 06: 26
        +1
        Let's say it's better with kaz than without it. Hitting becomes harder, but not impossible.
      3. Puzoter
        Puzoter 12 February 2022 10: 29
        -6
        In a city, no KAZ will save or harm, because it will kill its infantry, and a tank in a city without infantry support will be destroyed for any
        1. Barberry25
          Barberry25 12 February 2022 11: 30
          0
          Well, in principle, you can turn off KAZ and turn it off or set it to actuate by order, in general, KAZ is a good tool, but not a child prodigy
          1. Puzoter
            Puzoter 12 February 2022 11: 52
            -6
            A good tool if you need to turn it off at the most dangerous moments of the battle
  3. anthonindex
    anthonindex 11 February 2022 20: 09
    -6
    Well, now the Zionists are kaput. The foolish Khazars tremble.
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 11 February 2022 20: 36
      +14
      Quote: anthonindex
      Well, now the Zionists are kaput. The foolish Khazars tremble.

      Trembling or not, I don’t know, but they certainly take into account new threats. hi
      1. anthonindex
        anthonindex 11 February 2022 21: 45
        -8
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Quote: anthonindex
        Well, now the Zionists are kaput. The foolish Khazars tremble.

        Trembling or not, I don’t know, but they certainly take into account new threats. hi

        another attempt to sell the Arabs an ersatz missile tank. The rich Arabs won't buy it, and the poor don't have the money. You have to donate.
        1. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin 12 February 2022 12: 44
          +5
          Quote: anthonindex
          The rich Arabs won't buy it, and the poor don't have the money. You have to donate.

          Giving is not the right place.
          But the Germans have already bought.
          1. anthonindex
            anthonindex 12 February 2022 13: 46
            +1
            Quote: Vitaly Gusin
            Giving is not the right place.
            But the Germans have already bought.

            I wrote not about the Trophy
      2. DED_peer_DED
        DED_peer_DED 11 February 2022 21: 45
        0
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        Tremble or not, I don't know

        vibrate and resonate.
  4. Tomcat_Tomcat
    Tomcat_Tomcat 11 February 2022 20: 11
    +13
    the destruction of armored vehicles uses a volley of two missiles with a very small difference in time when they are fired
    what is needed here is not a double salvo of missiles, but first shooting of a simulator, and then, with an extremely short interval (less KAZ reaction time) - of the main missile. The principle adopted in the RPG "Hook"
    1. ved_med12
      ved_med12 11 February 2022 20: 36
      +11
      And he lined the first missiles with a fragmentation projectile, which is blown up on approach, before the action \KAZ removes everything attached to the tank with fragments ... only then a high-explosive combat missile?
      1. Trapp1st
        Trapp1st 11 February 2022 20: 44
        +2
        And he lined the first missiles with a fragmentation projectile, which is blown up on approach, before the action \KAZ removes everything attached to the tank with fragments ... only then a high-explosive combat missile?
        And in the meantime, will tankers with infantry make bets?
      2. Tomcat_Tomcat
        Tomcat_Tomcat 11 February 2022 20: 58
        +4
        Are you sure that carefully did you read what I wrote? did you miss something very important?
        What kind of fragmentation shell do you need in one place? I wrote that first there is a simulator (a blank, exactly the same in terms of the characteristics of the radar radiation, to be taken as an attacking ammunition), KAZ works on it, and behind it, at an extremely short distance and an extremely short time delay, comes the main rocket, with a tandem, for breaking the remote sensing and destroying armor. Do you want to beat your own shell with fragments? Thank God that fragments from KAZ fly down, and the next one may not bite into them.

        do you even realize something before you write?
        1. venik
          venik 11 February 2022 23: 11
          +2
          Quote from Tomcat_Tomcat
          do you even realize something before you write?

          =======
          Oh, in vain you, dear Cat, attacked a person! Well, I agree! The idea proposed by Ilmir, to put it mildly, is "raw" and practically difficult to implement!
          But you must admit, because the very PRINCIPLE of shelling a tank with special shrapnel shells with directed a stream of fragments (or even better - GGE) - not so bad! Such a projectile is capable (without entering the KAZ coverage area!) To demolish not only the KAZ itself, but also optical means of observation, aiming and communication! And this means that the tank, like combat unit completely out of order....
          There is something to think about here! what
          1. Tomcat_Tomcat
            Tomcat_Tomcat 11 February 2022 23: 18
            +3
            Quote: venik
            The idea proposed by Ilmir, to put it mildly, is "raw" and practically difficult to implement!

            that's the point. She is none. He suggested loading the OFS first, and then the ATGM
            Quote: venik
            PRINCIPLE of shelling a tank with special fragmentation projectiles with a directed flow of fragments

            here is another matter. Undermining a projectile BEFORE it enters the zone of effective expansion of counter-munition fragments, this is about 20-30 meters to the target. And a "directed beam of shrapnel." My opponent didn't even think about it. This is already an option, and not just for OFS armor.
            BUT! If you see a tank as a target, What prevents you from hitting immediately to defeat? The same "doublet" - but not as the opponent says, but as I suggest

            already proposed a method of electronic decoy for the KAZ radar. So that she "falls for" her, and not the going real ammunition. Patent, I don't know of such a patent yet.
            1. venik
              venik 12 February 2022 00: 21
              +2
              Quote from Tomcat_Tomcat
              Undermining a projectile BEFORE it enters the zone of effective expansion of counter-munition fragments, this is about 20-30 meters to the target. And a "directed beam of shrapnel."

              ======
              Crap! But who is "minus" you then? After all, everything is absolutely correct!
              ----------
              Quote from Tomcat_Tomcat
              BUT! If you see a tank as a target, what prevents you from hitting immediately to kill? The same "doublet"

              =======
              I agree to all 100%! drinks
              BUT! This only works at SHORT ranges, when the shots - DO NOT maneuver - well, like "Hook"! And on large ones (3-7 km?). There you really need something highly maneuverable - here you already need a CORRECTION of the trajectory.
              And here is HOW to "attach" such a maneuvering "pre-shot" to a real ATGM? Here is the QUESTION!
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              Quote from Tomcat_Tomcat
              already proposed a method of electronic decoy for the KAZ radar. So that she "falls for" her, and not the going real ammunition.

              ======
              Well, then you are NOT ONE!!! There are at least TWO of us! (For some reason, I am sure that such an idea was born not only in our brains, and it is already THINKING about it in some research institutes and "mailboxes", as it used to be called). drinks
              1. Tomcat_Tomcat
                Tomcat_Tomcat 12 February 2022 00: 27
                +4
                Quote: venik
                BUT! This only works at SHORT ranges, when the shots - DO NOT maneuver - well, like "Hook"!

                it doesn't really matter. It is important TIME TO APPROACH THEM TO THE GOAL. That's all. Let the rocket fly ... well, figs with it, in a spiral. This means the flight time, the flight speed of the simulator is chosen so that it approaches the target a little earlier. Everything! Mission accomplished!

                Quote: venik
                Well, then you are NOT ONE!!! There are at least TWO of us! (For some reason, I am sure that such an idea was born not only in our brains, and it is already THINKING about it in some research institutes and "mailboxes", as it used to be called).

                I think yes. We are not the only smart ones, there are smarter people. Despite the fact that this is a logical step - the same competition of armor and projectile. Who will outplay whom. Why waste ammunition if you can "drive electronic brains crazy"? In fact, this is an electronic warfare system, only "sharpened" for combat.
                1. And Us Rat
                  And Us Rat 12 February 2022 07: 27
                  +3
                  Quote from Tomcat_Tomcat
                  a blank, exactly the same in terms of the characteristics of the radar radiation, to be mistaken for an attacking ammunition

                  ERP selection. It's been decided a long time ago.

                  Quote from Tomcat_Tomcat
                  And a "directed beam of shrapnel."

                  The trophy is protected from fragments and small caliber. And the rest of the tank is not plywood, but covered with steel doors.

                  Quote from Tomcat_Tomcat
                  And on large ones (3-7 km?). There you really need something highly maneuverable - here you already need ...

                  Launch masking, first of all.
                  90% of the Palestinian ATGM operators simply did not live to bring the missile to the target (long tens of seconds), dying from the tank's OFS, fired at the direction of the KAZ radar.
                  1. Jacket in stock
                    Jacket in stock 12 February 2022 11: 12
                    +1
                    Quote: And Us Rat
                    90% of Palestinian ATGM operators simply did not live to bring the missile to the target (long tens of seconds)

                    But the solution to the problem is very simple - a remote control.
                    The launcher is separate, the rest is separate, and between them is a string of a dozen or two meters.
                    Every time I see pictures about all sorts of Cornets and stuff, I never cease to wonder why they don’t do this.
                    1. And Us Rat
                      And Us Rat 12 February 2022 15: 24
                      +3
                      Quote: Jacket in stock
                      But the solution to the problem is very simple - a remote control.

                      To save the life of the operator, but the launcher will still be destroyed.

                      Quote: Jacket in stock
                      But the solution to the problem is very simple - a remote control.
                      why don't they do that.

                      They do it, since the time of "Baby", it's just additional equipment (carrying weight, deployment speed, folding speed after launch (the most important thing for the survival of the calculation), the complexity of operator training, cost, etc.
                      1. Jacket in stock
                        Jacket in stock 12 February 2022 17: 58
                        -1
                        Quote: And Us Rat
                        the launcher will still be destroyed.

                        Launcher?
                        What is a launcher? Just a pipe, especially after a shot it's just rubbish.
                      2. And Us Rat
                        And Us Rat 12 February 2022 20: 14
                        +3
                        Quote: Jacket in stock
                        Launcher?
                        What is a launcher? Just a pipe, especially after a shot it's just rubbish.

                        You are confusing with disposable rocket-propelled grenade launchers. The launcher is the heart of the system, all the equipment is located on it, and its cost is comparable to a dozen missiles, which are useless rubbish without it.
                        When ATGMs are sold, as a rule, they sell a dozen launchers and a couple of hundred missiles for them.
                      3. Jacket in stock
                        Jacket in stock 13 February 2022 09: 13
                        -1
                        Quote: And Us Rat
                        The launcher is the heart of the system, it houses all the equipment, and

                        Yes, like bae, I started with this.
                        The pipe should be separate, and everything else (ALL) separately
                        The rocket flew, a response flew to this place. And it turns out that no one is afraid, because the operator with the guidance system sits in the corner and continues his work ..
                      4. And Us Rat
                        And Us Rat 13 February 2022 09: 37
                        +1
                        Quote: Jacket in stock
                        Yes, like bae, I started with this.
                        The pipe should be separate, and everything else (ALL) separately
                        The rocket flew, a response flew to this place. And it turns out that no one is afraid, because the operator with the targeting system sits in the station and continues his work ..

                        As world practice has shown, the best option is the third generation ATGM. With passive optical / IR guidance, fire and forget function, or wire-by-wire function due to natural obstacles.
                        By the way, the remote correction function is implemented in Spike, with the help of a third-party surveillance system, today it can be networked with other systems. That is, the launch can be carried out remotely, even a tank, even an UAV, even an officer from the headquarters.
                      5. Jacket in stock
                        Jacket in stock 13 February 2022 10: 30
                        -1
                        Quote: And Us Rat
                        the best option is the third generation ATGM. With passive optical/IR guidance

                        Not always.
                        1-Station guidance can always be more powerful than the seeker.
                        2-Full-fledged GOS of a rocket form factor is difficult and expensive, our industry and budget cannot afford it.
                        Goal must be imaginative in order to provide at least an approximate parity of opportunities. Here is the spacing of the launcher and guidance station, just one of such inventions. A third-party control option would be great.
            2. SoloD
              SoloD 13 February 2022 21: 17
              0
              I would venture to suggest this type of projectile: a triple charge, the first part is a jammer (naturally short-lived, such as pulsed) in the IR and radio bands (maybe even better, narrowly targeted), to illuminate everything and everything (that is, KAZ has one continuous spot) and then tandem charge to break through armor.
    2. venik
      venik 11 February 2022 22: 44
      +2
      Quote from Tomcat_Tomcat
      what is needed here is not a double salvo of missiles, but first shooting of a simulator, and then, with an extremely short interval (less KAZ reaction time) - of the main missile. The principle adopted in the RPG "Hook"

      =========
      Well, for the "Cornet", which flies in a spiral, such a principle is difficult to implement ..... But the idea itself has already been successfully implemented in the "Hook"! Now it is not in great demand, since KAZ is still "exotic", even in Israel ....
      But here it’s just, as I understand it, a variant was tested in case of a “surprise” in the form of a collision with tanks equipped with KAZ in the absence of systems like the “Hook” ... drinks
      1. Tomcat_Tomcat
        Tomcat_Tomcat 11 February 2022 22: 57
        +2
        Quote: venik
        Well, for the "Cornet", which flies in a spiral, such a principle is difficult to implement

        Not at all. All ATGMs do not fly in a straight line (you know this, but for some it may be a revelation - this is how the guidance system works), they "twitch" in flight. But this does not in the least affect the fact that the leading "ammunition" is fired forward, on which the KAZ will work, and after a fraction of a second, hit with a "real" missile. The KAZ radar does not care how the attacking projectile flies if it threatens the car - that is. its trajectory, as it were, rests on it and the speed says that it is not a stone, but the radar handwriting that it is not a bullet, which means it is dangerous, it does not "intellectually" track the jerking of the projectile up and down, etc. Attacking means dangerous)
        In general, if you go further, not a perspective, then you should think about the "electronic", virtual ammunition, which the KAZ radar perceives as "real", and then it arrives (who will be the first to patent ??). After all, it is necessary to deceive the radar station, it issues commands to all executive ones. But this complex needs good energy, and only systems on a chassis or stationary can afford it.
        1. venik
          venik 11 February 2022 23: 41
          0
          Quote from Tomcat_Tomcat
          All ATGMs do not fly in a straight line (you know this, but for some it may be a discovery - this is how the guidance system works), they "twitch" in flight.

          =======
          Oh sure! But the fact is that it is the Kornet rocket that flies precisely IN A SPIRAL (a “twitchy” spiral, of course, if the target is moving), inside which there is a laser beam. Well, such is the principle of guidance there, what can I do? request
          Here - the question is different: if the ATGM changes its trajectory in flight (over long distances), then the "blank" of the "pre-shot" must also maneuver in the same way! This means that its cost will be at least COMPARABLE with the cost of the main "shot"! So is it worth creating separate "blank pre-shots"? Will the game be worth the candle? Here - you need to think! what
          Maybe in ATGMs it’s easier to use the “micro-electronic warfare” system, which makes the KAZ with a radar detector react) to a non-existent threat?
          This means simulating a situation where
          1. Tomcat_Tomcat
            Tomcat_Tomcat 11 February 2022 23: 45
            +2
            Quote: venik
            then the "blank" "pre-shot" must also maneuver in the same way!

            shit like that! (sorry for my French) It is enough that the KAZ radar sees an "incoming target with characteristics of dangerous ammunition. It can go in a straight line - like a projectile, or a garnet (RPG grenades do not fly along a broken line, they fly along a ballistic, and KAZ perceives them as a threat) - EVERYTHING !!! When they think of imitating this contraption ELECTRONICALLY, it will also work. She doesn’t care about your spiral, although there is not really a spiral, radar (or rather, the KAZ on-board computer does not react to this)
            Read what is available in the public domain about KAZ Arena - this is the most complete of what has "been published" Maybe you will understand how these systems work.

            // cost "the game - candles"?// - beyond any doubt. I have already said that I had something to do with KAZ systems, and I know how they work. All on the same principle, with rare exceptions. I know exactly how Trophy works. Even if that is not taken into account, think for yourself how to deceive the radar station. It is she who is the main link (together with a high-speed computer) in this system.
            well, if you, like a barberry, are passionate about arguing about nothing, then I’m not your assistant, sorry)

            PS Apparently, it's also in the order of things for you to put minuses on those who disagree with you, or who have the best knowledge, right?
            1. venik
              venik 12 February 2022 00: 40
              +4
              Quote from Tomcat_Tomcat
              PS Apparently, it's also in the order of things for you to put minuses on those who disagree with you, or who have the best knowledge, right?

              ======
              Are you talking to me? Well, thanks! hi
              First: - and who said that you have "the best knowledge"?
              Secondly: - why did you decide that I don’t understand a damn thing in principle of the work of KAZ?
              Thirdly: and "from what hangover" (forgive my Italian!) did you decide that I was "minus" you? ( fool )
              PS For once, I began to communicate with an interesting interlocutor, and he turned out to be a quick-tempered neurasthenic! And therefore, excuse me - further communication is NOT INTERESTING for me! hi
              1. Tomcat_Tomcat
                Tomcat_Tomcat 12 February 2022 00: 43
                +1
                Well, call, if you can, was, in fact, perhaps too harsh. Not my style, but... Well, it doesn't matter. Sorry again if I thought wrong.
                So, some other silent dog (let the four-legged be not offended)
                In general, if there are any unanswered questions on the topic, then in a personal. There is no need to shine here.
                1. venik
                  venik 12 February 2022 01: 17
                  +1
                  Quote from Tomcat_Tomcat
                  Well, call, if you can, was, in fact, perhaps too harsh.

                  =======
                  Honestly - you are really harsh! But - "we passed"! Some kind of "minus" began to me, too (and not the first day!). Looks like someone "on the callus" came! lol
                  Well, let's move on to the TOPIC:
                  Well, yes, I know quite well what sensors are and HOW they work!
                  I didn’t mean that: at short distances - the principle implemented in the "Hook" - it is PERFECT!
                  BUT! The range of the "Hook" is 200 meters! Those. - "direct shot"! Here - everything is absolutely clear! "Sight-preemption (minimum)-shot".
                  But what if you fire at MOVING (and maneuvering in addition!) Tanks from a distance of 4-5-7 km?
                  Here you can not do without correction of the trajectory! Moreover, BOTH ammunition must go either along ONE or VERY CLOSE trajectories! Otherwise - the whole effect is lost - KAZ will work in DIFFERENT segments! (Well, or - CAN work out).
                  Conclusion: BOTH must have the SAME guidance system! Those. in fact - they should differ only in the presence or absence of a shaped charge!
                  And now the question that confused me:
                  what is the COST of a combat shaped charge compared to the TOTAL cost of a rocket? Well, or at least compared to the cost of the onboard guidance system? That's exactly what I meant: does it make sense to load into 4 "tubes" - 2 combat missiles + 2 "pre-missiles" of COMPARABLE cost, instead of 4 combat missiles ?? Here you have to COUNT!
                  PS Maybe we'll go to the "PM", otherwise they will again fit in with their own ("+/-")?
        2. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 12 February 2022 07: 36
          +3
          Quote from Tomcat_Tomcat
          it does not "intelligently" track projectile jerks

          This is what the software does. yes

          Quote from Tomcat_Tomcat
          then you should think about "electronic", virtual ammunition

          Today it is Manilovism.
          To do this, you need to overtake the radar manufacturer technologically. Setting up electronic warfare against AFAR is a very difficult task, due to the sensitivity and computing power of modern systems.

          Quote from Tomcat_Tomcat
          After all, it is necessary to deceive the radar

          Wrong. You need to deceive software with AI that controls the radar and decrypts its signals.
          1. venik
            venik 12 February 2022 15: 57
            +1
            Quote: And Us Rat
            Setting up electronic warfare against AFAR is a very difficult task, due to the sensitivity and computing power of modern systems.

            =======
            Excuse me, but can you tell me WHY it is more difficult to "deceive" AFAR than to "deceive" an ordinary PFAR ???
            What is the GREAT difference? what
            1. And Us Rat
              And Us Rat 12 February 2022 20: 07
              +3
              Quote: venik
              Excuse me, but can you tell me WHY it is more difficult to "deceive" AFAR than to "deceive" an ordinary PFAR ???
              What is the GREAT difference?

              The fact that the PFAR has one emitter, and can only emit at one frequency, at any given moment. Therefore, the RTR installation needs to intercept only one frequency, and the EW installation needs to suppress one frequency.
              AFAR, on the other hand, can emit at many frequencies simultaneously, and the closer the working distance, the lower the required radiation energy, the wider the spectrum involved, the limitation is only in the software and the computing power of the iron.
              AFAR is not only several orders of magnitude more resistant to electronic warfare, but it can also perform its function - to find the target, simultaneously fooling the brains of RTR stations, imitating other (older and weaker systems), provoking the operation of enemy electronic warfare at safe frequencies.
              This is a very large topic that cannot be explained in a couple of paragraphs.

              One of the most realistic versions of the death of the Il-20 (RTR aircraft!) In Syria is that the Khmeimim command tried to copy the range of signatures and algorithms of the Israeli AFARs, and therefore sent the plane (which was in the safe zone at the time of the bombing attack) to rendezvous with Israeli aircraft.
              Such a risk (and the uselessness of electronic warfare against the last strike the other day) indicates that without the most complete picture of the functioning of a single AFAR model, it is extremely difficult to suppress it pointwise, except to fill all frequencies (including your own) with white noise of very high power (which is what most modern Russian EW systems).
              1. venik
                venik 12 February 2022 22: 03
                +1
                Quote: And Us Rat
                The fact that the PFAR has one emitter, and can only emit at one frequency, at any given moment.

                ========
                Well, why can't it? It may well! It's just that in decimeter, centimeter, and even more so - in the millimeter range, certain difficulties arise.
                In addition, the simultaneous operation of emitters of several frequencies inevitably leads to partial interference of the emitted waves, which leads to a decrease in performance during electronic scanning of the beam. But in general, radars (both AFAR and PFAR) usually operate in a pulsed mode, which, given the high frequencies, allows you to scan space almost continuously.
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                Quote: And Us Rat
                Therefore, the RTR installation needs to intercept only one frequency, and the EW installation needs to suppress one frequency.

                ======
                And here's something I don't quite understand... what But don't RTR systems use broadband receivers with electronic frequency selection, capable of simultaneously receiving several signals at different frequencies (within a reasonable range, of course) from different sources (or from the same one)? belay Moreover, even signals of different frequencies from one HEADLIGHT simply cannot differ very much in range (the geometrical dimensions of the HEADLIGHT already come into force here!)....
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                Quote: And Us Rat
                This is a very large topic that cannot be explained in a couple of paragraphs.

                =======
                I agree! Maybe we’ll go to the “PM”, otherwise they’ll be fined for comments comparable in size to the article?
                PS Very interesting, I would like to continue!
                PPS Special thanks for the information about the IL-20, I have not heard this version! hi drinks
                1. And Us Rat
                  And Us Rat 13 February 2022 00: 24
                  +1
                  Quote: venik
                  Well, why can't it? It may well!

                  Take turns not at the same time, you can not sit with one ass on several chairs at once. Physically impossible, only in turn. And this is the main vulnerability.

                  Quote: venik
                  leads to partial interference of radiated waves

                  Therefore, modern systems are computerized. One of the tasks of the software is to neutralize such effects by calculating the readability of the ranges, and even use the interference for certain purposes (signature distortion, for example).

                  Quote: venik
                  But don’t RTR systems use wideband receivers with electronic frequency selection, capable of simultaneously receiving several signals at different frequencies?

                  It all comes down to hardware and software. This is a duel of computing power by and large.
                  Which is won by the one whose microelectronics is more modern and more powerful. That is why Russian electronic warfare systems are created with a stake on brute force. They try to compensate for the loss in megaflops in megawatts of the emitter.

                  Quote: venik
                  very different range

                  And it’s not necessary, no one expects communications with nuclear submarines in a submerged state from AFAR, it’s enough just to go beyond the range limits available to the enemy’s RTR means.

                  Quote: venik
                  penalized for comments

                  We are within the theme, without flooding. In addition, "yesterday's" news, the moderators do not wool without complaints. And we are on the go, the only ones who are still rewriting in this thread. And others may be interested in reading. I am against selfishness. wink

                  Quote: venik
                  about IL-20 I have not heard this version

                  This is a deductive-logical version, it is useless for hype or propaganda, and therefore it is of little interest to anyone, well, except for those who are engaged in professional analytics.
                  Taking into account all the small details - this version is the most logical.
                  The late warning of the raid might have led the coordinating officer, Khmeimim, to the conclusion that the Israeli planes were still nearby, and it was possible to have time to copy the signatures of their on-board radio electronics. To do this, the RTR aircraft was sent to rendezvous, and introduced into the firing zone by the Syrians, which that officer did not know about, due to poor coordination of the exchange of information, due to the low qualification and discipline of the Syrian air defense officers, as well as the lack of combat experience of the officer himself, which could not foresee such a development of events, due to the long-term habit of the absence of significant threats to the Russian Aerospace Forces in most areas of responsibility and echelons.
                  Moreover, most likely - it was a routine "ritual", and did not occur in the first. Israeli and Russian RTR facilities graze each other on a regular basis, this is natural.
                  It's just that this time, the "local Papuans" got into the "curtseys of civilized people" with their clumsy initiative, like an elephant in a china shop, and due to their curvature, they shot their "patron" in the back. request
                  Stupid tragedy, through the fault of the local "fool with the initiative."
      2. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 11 February 2022 23: 52
        -3
        Quote: venik
        But the idea itself has already been successfully implemented in "Hook"!

        good A little higher, he already upset the Alekheya warrior. yes laughing
      3. Vitaly gusin
        Vitaly gusin 12 February 2022 15: 15
        +3
        Quote: venik
        Now it is not in great demand, since KAZ is still "exotic", even in Israel ....

        This is not true
        Trophy currently operates over 1000 systems for all major Israeli ground combat platforms (Merkava Mark 3 and 4 and Namer APC). as well as the American Abrams M1A1 / 2 and tested on the Stryker and Bradley armored personnel carriers,
        as well as non-German Leopard 2.
    3. Barberry25
      Barberry25 11 February 2022 22: 54
      -1
      well, the whole difficulty here is that then you need a specialized simulator the size of a full-fledged rocket and it will differ only in the absence of a warhead, but you need to consider that vehicles with kaz are not the only target on the battlefield, so why reinvent the wheel when there is simply a mode double shot?
      1. Tomcat_Tomcat
        Tomcat_Tomcat 11 February 2022 23: 09
        +2
        Quote: Barberry25
        what then do you need a specialized simulator the size of a full-fledged rocket

        not at all. Look at the RPG "Hook". What is difficult??
        Moreover, the simulator can have radar visibility even more than real ammunition. This is very, very simple. How do small drones imitate a strategic bomber-type target, have you ever wondered?

        Quote: Barberry25
        why reinvent the wheel when there is simply a double-shooting mode?

        this is the consumption of TWO missiles, when you can get by with one and a penny simulator. Let's call the aircraft, when can we get by with a mortar? You do not like beautiful and sensible solutions, do you always need to solve the problem head-on?

        stop arguing with the obvious. you show the unhealthy makings of a troll. Hypersensitivity, huh? I understand that you are a smart person and able to think - use your abilities in a more worthy business
        1. Barberry25
          Barberry25 12 February 2022 00: 10
          +3
          the difference is that the RPG hook has a range of 200 meters, and for firing even at 2 km, you will need to install a full-fledged rocket engine and electronic filling, and compared to it, the price of warheads is a penny, so why fence a barn?

          And yes, why did you decide that your solution is "beautiful and simple"?
          1. Tomcat_Tomcat
            Tomcat_Tomcat 12 February 2022 00: 13
            -2
            Do you understand the word principle? That's all, apparently, you are not one of those who understand something, but one of those who simply stupidly argue. All the best)
            1. Barberry25
              Barberry25 12 February 2022 00: 19
              +2
              I understand that, but you don’t .. The ATGM should strike up to 8 km, which means that the “simulator” will have to fly 8 km, and this is a rocket engine, besides that it must be guided along the beam .. and this is the bulk of the price of the rocket. .. so you don't understand the principle)
              1. Tomcat_Tomcat
                Tomcat_Tomcat 12 February 2022 00: 22
                -3
                Think a little more. Just don't let your hands write comments. reflections love silence. I'm sure you can understand if you want to. Good luck)
                And, I hope, we will no longer enter into dialogues. The reasons, I think, you are also aware of? Once again, all the best)
                1. Barberry25
                  Barberry25 12 February 2022 11: 04
                  +1
                  it’s better if you’re so clever, describe your idea in detail, otherwise for now “well, we have a Hook, let’s do the same on the ATGM” looks like bullshit, and if you have no idea how to implement it cheaply, then it’s better to be silent
                2. My doctor
                  My doctor 12 February 2022 22: 24
                  0
                  Quote from Tomcat_Tomcat
                  Think a little more. Just don't let your hands write comments. reflections love silence. I'm sure you can understand if you want to. Good luck)

                  I'll get into the conversation. I try very hard to understand you.
                  Are you saying that an ATGM combat missile simulator fired from the same position as the main missile does not have to have the same guidance elements and propulsion characteristics?
  5. demo
    demo 11 February 2022 20: 28
    +13
    The struggle between the shield and the sword will go on until the end of the days of civilization.
  6. Comandor777
    Comandor777 11 February 2022 20: 51
    +2
    I consider it an achievement for ATGMs to work on low-flying targets, in addition to a double launch and a range of destruction, an extremely effective complex.
  7. ERsytype
    ERsytype 11 February 2022 21: 29
    -5
    So two cornet rockets, with a small gap one after the other - this is the same can opener for the desired can)
  8. MstislavHrabr
    MstislavHrabr 11 February 2022 21: 32
    +2
    Tell the amateur, is it possible to add some kind of inexpensive, but very good, to the projectile? sticky "dust", which, when KAZ was triggered, would still stick around all the tank's sensors so that it would become BLIND!
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 11 February 2022 21: 44
      -3
      Anything, even a container with acid, but how much will such dust cost?
      1. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 12 February 2022 11: 21
        +2
        Quote: Thrifty
        cost? It’s easier to shoot the sensors with small-caliber artillery, the same 20mm radars will easily destroy,

        Only the question arises - who will destroy whom faster, this small tank or this small tank. It is unlikely that he will just stand and wait while his armored personnel carrier will fire.
    2. Tomcat_Tomcat
      Tomcat_Tomcat 11 February 2022 21: 51
      +5
      The basis of KAZ is a radar station. As a rule, AFAR with 4 or more antennas. Here are the antennas on the Merkava and Abrams


      disable the antenna (one) - KAZ will lose the ability to repel attacks in this sector (90 degrees). Antennas are quite affected by fragments and bullets. Without antennas, KAZ is deaf and blind. Dirt radar radiation is not a hindrance. It is generally difficult to “stick up” the antenna with something, there is microwave radiation, it is easier to break it.
      1. DED_peer_DED
        DED_peer_DED 11 February 2022 22: 02
        -1
        How will KAZ react to the queue of the 14,5 mm KPVT machine gun?
        How will he take it? What will be left of him?
        1. Tomcat_Tomcat
          Tomcat_Tomcat 11 February 2022 22: 06
          +6
          Quote: DED_peer_DED
          How will KAZ react to the queue of the 14,5 mm KPVT machine gun?

          the question is incorrect. Like all people who are afraid to first think for themselves before asking a question.
          And how will the KPVT react to a 120 mm shell hit ??? Are you not concerned about this issue?
          Where are you trying to get from the KPVT? I kind of wrote it, and everyone who is interested and understands it knows that KAZ antennas, like any radar station, are susceptible to damage from fragments, bullets, etc. The whole question is how to damage them and stay alive yourself. Can you think and read? Please read first, then ask questions.
          Respectfully)
          1. DED_peer_DED
            DED_peer_DED 11 February 2022 22: 14
            -3
            Quote from Tomcat_Tomcat
            The whole question is how to damage them and stay alive yourself. Can you think and read? Please read first, then ask questions.
            Respectfully)

            It is easy to damage such antennas. They are demolished in bursts from a conventional machine gun.
            Staying alive for a machine gun shooter may not be the goal.
            There may be several machine guns. Radar and optics can be completely hit.
            The ratio of "the life of a machine gunner" against "the destruction of a tank" may be psychologically different than is customary in "Democratic countries".
            I (probably) learned to drink, smoke, speak and read before you,
            Sincerely.
            1. Tomcat_Tomcat
              Tomcat_Tomcat 11 February 2022 22: 27
              +9
              Quote: DED_peer_DED
              Drinking, smoking, talking and reading I (probably) learned before you

              think, unfortunately. no. And don't be rude, please, I'm talking to you correctly. Or do you have such a style for everyone, including those who do not agree with your opinion? Get used to it, people have their own opinion. and not the fact that it is more erroneous than yours)

              Any solution has advantages and disadvantages. Do you agree? KAZ too. And this is not a panacea, it is just one of the tools to increase the security of the tank. Let's give examples. An aircraft can be shot down from an air defense system, but its maneuvering and the use of self-defense systems can prevent it. So? This is just an example of the fact that weapons are not absolute. And no one refuses either aircraft or their self-defense systems. Why don't you arise?

              I'm playing fair. I wrote about the shortcomings of KAZ (not all). But is it really possible to judge the system by the shortcomings, despite the advantages? Or are you just because there are still no such things on domestic armored vehicles? But in vain ... They really save lives. This thing is capable of intercepting rockets and grenades, the very ones that could destroy the car and crew. It is a pity that we have not yet put them on serial armored vehicles. We had good tests of KAZ "Arena", we corrected the documentation and were ready to supply vehicles with these complexes, but ... there are no orders.
              What is the essence of your claims? The fact that KAZ is easy to disable? are you sure about that?
              1. DED_peer_DED
                DED_peer_DED 11 February 2022 22: 32
                -4
                Quote from Tomcat_Tomcat
                think, unfortunately. no. And don't be rude, please, I'm talking to you correctly. Or do you have such a style for everyone, including those who do not agree with your opinion? Get used to it, people have their own opinion. and not the fact that it is more erroneous than yours)

                Forgive me, my friend, but due to rudeness ... this is primarily for you.
                Didn't read further.
                Your high role on this site and in the World in general is clear to me.
                I sympathize with your "fair play".
                I haven’t played, I don’t play, and I wouldn’t advise others.
                You can play for fun.
                Best regards and end of conversation. Sorry if I offended you in any way. Did not want. Hey-she...
                1. Tomcat_Tomcat
                  Tomcat_Tomcat 11 February 2022 22: 33
                  0
                  Quote: DED_peer_DED
                  Didn't read further.

                  it's a pity. And you read, there is the essence. And - the continuation of the conversation, because, I understand, you "do not catch up" in many ways. If you want to know - at your service.)
            2. And Us Rat
              And Us Rat 12 February 2022 07: 43
              +5
              Quote: DED_peer_DED
              It is easy to damage such antennas. They are demolished in bursts from a conventional machine gun.
              Staying alive for a machine gun shooter may not be the goal.

              You understand that a database in real life and in computer games is not the same thing, right? wink
      2. DED_peer_DED
        DED_peer_DED 11 February 2022 22: 05
        -7
        Both of these "balalaikas" and others like them are "anti-partisan chariots".
        In modern complex combat with an equal or stronger opponent, they are designed for a minute life.
  9. Shiden
    Shiden 11 February 2022 21: 39
    +4
    There is no chance that 50 to 50 will not fly back in return.
  10. DED_peer_DED
    DED_peer_DED 11 February 2022 21: 41
    -5
    The media is discussing the shelling of the model of the Merkava Mk4 tank from the Kornet-D ATGM.

    Why did everyone decide that this is a layout?
    It may not be a tank in "active mode", but it's not a self-made model either.
  11. svoit
    svoit 11 February 2022 21: 56
    +2
    The Kornet operator can now launch more than one rocket, but fire in one gulp, using a multi-shot launcher developed on the basis of the Tiger armored car.

    It is a pity, only that in a real battle she will not live much at all, without firing more than one shot.
    It is difficult to ensure the secrecy of the application.
  12. Yves762
    Yves762 11 February 2022 22: 14
    -2
    what
    Bad advertising for the edges of those; still not to sell: the aunt in the frame without a veil.!.!.!!#%[email protected]& am .
    Or at least a niqab (a ton of makeup doesn't count)...

    what what
    Is there no way to screw a 31 gram "smartphone" into a 33-300 kg rocket in order to implement "fire-and-forget"?
    In the 21st century!???
    request It looks like our lamps with their chips are not compatible in one case: not being lined with wet rags, they still melt them ... wassat
  13. venik
    venik 11 February 2022 22: 27
    -1
    "....It the only one in the world proven in combat active protection system in service since 2011...." (from the materials of the manufacturer KAZ "Trophy")
    ======
    Yes, in what, in what, and in modesty it is difficult to suspect Israeli comrades! Yes! "the only one in the world"! ( laughing ). One must think that the Israeli comrades do not know anything about the use of the Drozd KAZ in Afghanistan (in 1983-1989) and its effectiveness .... Well, or they pretend that it is not known ..... wassat
  14. Gust
    Gust 11 February 2022 22: 49
    +3
    As usual, the shield and sword are on the next turn. KAZ + two mortars / cassettes per side will increase the performance. In response, the leading ATGM will be equipped with dipole reflectors - KAZ will go blind. Then there will be laser / microwave self-defense and so on ...
    1. Tomcat_Tomcat
      Tomcat_Tomcat 11 February 2022 23: 27
      +5
      Yes, this process is endless. It all started with a core and a thick board made of durable wood (oak) - armor of the type .... We lived to see smart missiles and even smarter means to confuse them.
  15. _TANKIST_
    _TANKIST_ 11 February 2022 23: 08
    +3
    You can talk about how to suppress KAZ even to U_KI! Maybe it's better to move to a new level of development of anti-tank systems?!!!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 12 February 2022 00: 45
      -6
      In Russia, this is being created on the basis of Hermes - a long-range ATGM with a hypersonic anti-tank missile, a speed of 7M, a kinetic warhead of more than 30 kg - not a single KAZ will intercept, and dynamic protection with a meter-long combined armor will not save from penetration either.
      1. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 12 February 2022 11: 50
        +2
        Quote: Vadim237
        In Russia, one is being created on the basis of Hermes - a long-range ATGM with a hypersonic anti-tank missile, a speed of 7M, a kinetic warhead of more than 30 kg

        The problem is that this system itself turns out to be no less than a tank in price and size.
        And it certainly will not be available to a partisan fighter who ambushed in a roadside bush and / or around the corner of a house in a ruined city.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 12 February 2022 17: 13
          -5
          "The problem is that this system itself turns out to be no less than a tank in terms of price and size." Only in your fantasies. "And it certainly will not be in the possession of a guerrilla fighter who ambushed in a roadside bush and / or around the corner of a house in a ruined city." For the city and roadside bushes and Metis M1 is enough for the eyes.
          1. Jacket in stock
            Jacket in stock 12 February 2022 18: 00
            0
            Quote: Vadim237
            For the city and roadside bushes and Metis M1 is enough for the eyes.

            So Trophy is also enough for the tank to protect.
    2. Sergey43
      Sergey43 12 February 2022 09: 37
      0
      we tried to create a complex with a "fire-and-forget" system. the price was too high and the Ministry of Defense refused to buy it.
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      2. Cympak
        Cympak 12 February 2022 20: 59
        0
        The truth is that the Tula Jewelin had a range of only 300 meters. Naturally, such a range did not suit the military.
  16. Alien From
    Alien From 12 February 2022 04: 16
    -3
    Friends!!!! Khikhels have a different way of thinking .......... and we all throw beads ........
  17. AML
    AML 12 February 2022 09: 12
    +1
    IMHO the presence of Kaz is better than his absence. If it is able to increase the chance of survival, then it has the right to life. So you can talk about armor. Will 14.5 hold up, but 7,62? Will it help in a minefield?
  18. Sergey43
    Sergey43 12 February 2022 09: 34
    0
    Quote: And Us Rat
    And the trick is that when a launch is detected, the system (in active-automatic defense mode) turns the turret and fires at the launch point. A tank mine (the default charge in such operations) flies much faster than an ATGM, killing the crew, destroying the launcher and, accordingly, disrupting the missile's guidance.

    the only caveat is that modern versions of the cornet (the Iranians have older modifications) can fire at a distance of 10 km. the firing range from the tank with land mines is around 5. therefore, when using modern versions of anti-tank systems, the crew can no longer be hit by a land mine.
    1. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 12 February 2022 11: 29
      +2
      Quote: Sergey43
      can fire at a distance of 10 km.

      What is the line of sight range? Kilometer 4, if I do not confuse anything.
      And how will you direct this Cornet?
      1. Sergey43
        Sergey43 12 February 2022 15: 39
        0
        being on a hill in clear weather, he saw an object (a bridge across a not very wide river) with the naked eye at a distance of at least 8 km. from the same place in cloudy weather I could no longer see. weakly, but I saw, I knew that there was a railway bridge on that side, but I didn’t know how far (the distance I measured on the map later) and what color.
        so with various auxiliary means of observation - it will be possible to see easily and from a lower height - the main thing is that nothing obstructs the view. the same if there is already a target on a hill.
        1. Cympak
          Cympak 12 February 2022 21: 01
          +1
          The range of recognition of a tank-type target at the "Cornet" is 2400 meters. You can shoot at 8 km only at a target like "house"
    2. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 15 February 2022 13: 21
      -1
      Quote: Sergey43
      Quote: And Us Rat
      And the trick is that when a launch is detected, the system (in active-automatic defense mode) turns the turret and fires at the launch point. A tank mine (the default charge in such operations) flies much faster than an ATGM, killing the crew, destroying the launcher and, accordingly, disrupting the missile's guidance.

      the only caveat is that modern versions of the cornet (the Iranians have older modifications) can fire at a distance of 10 km. the firing range from the tank with land mines is around 5. therefore, when using modern versions of anti-tank systems, the crew can no longer be hit by a land mine.

      Hmm. But what about the launch location data can be transmitted to the MLRS?
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  20. _TANKIST_
    _TANKIST_ 12 February 2022 10: 06
    +1
    Quote: Sergey43
    we tried to create a complex with a "fire-and-forget" system. the price was too high and the Ministry of Defense refused to buy it.

    Nonsense, at the expense of the price, they simply could not create everything, in the dimensions and dimensions that were required! What can be more valuable than the life of a soldier, a man?
    1. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 12 February 2022 11: 42
      +2
      Quote: _TANKIST_
      What could be more valuable than the life of a soldier,

      Centuries-old history shows that the life of a soldier is worth nothing.
      This is just a consumable for solving issues with "fat guys".
      And the price of weapons matters, and oh what.
      By the way, we already went through this when our military-industrial complex stupidly ate the rest of the country. And the country did not become without a single shot.

      In general, the goal of war is to cause damage to the enemy and prevent / minimize damage to oneself. By making a weapon that you cannot afford, you are hurting yourself even before the war, i.e. you carry out his task for the enemy.
      1. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 15 February 2022 13: 18
        -1
        Quote: Jacket in stock
        Quote: _TANKIST_
        What could be more valuable than the life of a soldier,

        Centuries-old history shows that the life of a soldier is worth nothing.
        This is just a consumable for solving issues with "fat guys".
        And the price of weapons matters, and oh what.
        By the way, we already went through this when our military-industrial complex stupidly ate the rest of the country. And the country did not become without a single shot.

        In general, the goal of war is to cause damage to the enemy and prevent / minimize damage to oneself. By making a weapon that you cannot afford, you are hurting yourself even before the war, i.e. you carry out his task for the enemy.

        You are behind the times. Compare the losses of the USSR in Afghanistan with the losses of NATO. Compare the losses of the Americans in Vietnam and Iraq. The difference at times shows the level of care for the soldiers
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 12 February 2022 17: 19
      -3
      Brad, at the expense of the price, they simply could not create it. Yes, no, creating it now is not a problem in its cost, since the homing head of such anti-tank systems is essentially a 3+ generation thermal imager that costs from 3 million rubles or more - for comparison, one Cornet missile costs 890000 rubles in the end, a shot from such The ATGM will cost 4-5 million rubles for this MO and refused to buy them, buys a little product 305 for helicopters, working on the principle of fired and forgot, but that's it.
      1. Cympak
        Cympak 12 February 2022 21: 14
        +1
        This is most likely about the ATGM "Autonomy". He had an anti-tank missile mass of 10 kg. The main problem is the range of 350 m. Most likely because of this, the Avtonomiya was not accepted into service.
        https://raigap.livejournal.com/339619.html
  21. Mister who
    Mister who 12 February 2022 13: 22
    +2
    I read, I read. Stop, but KAZ runs on electricity, can't you drown it out with a jammer? Or create interference)
    1. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 12 February 2022 17: 54
      0
      Quote: Mister Who
      Stop, but KAZ runs on electricity, can't you drown it out with a jammer? Or create interference)

      Yes Easy.
      Only the jamming station will also have to be protected somehow.
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  22. Zippo
    Zippo 12 February 2022 13: 41
    +2
    Trade, not war, is the engine of progress.
  23. Okakakiev
    Okakakiev 12 February 2022 14: 32
    0
    Nevertheless, the penetration thickness of 1300 mm at Cornet is amazing, it's just a horse.
  24. Masaaq
    Masaaq 12 February 2022 17: 02
    -1
    You can argue for a very long time, but the fact is that the "Cornet" does not have such a high rocket speed. AFARs will detect and respond. However, the cost of a KAZ is 25% of the cost of an Israeli tank (Trophy HV - $900k), while the cost of launching from a Kornet-E is $30k. Even cheaper launches for non-ATGMs.

    The Israelis claim dozens of interceptions of shots (RPG 29, Kornets, and so on) and not a single tank destroyed thanks to KAZ, they even provided a couple of videos (not dozens), but as the queues for these anti-tank systems stood at the countries, they still stand to this day.

    In general, history will show and judge, and history will be written by the winners.
  25. vindigo
    vindigo 12 February 2022 17: 13
    +2
    Can you hit all four missiles at once?
    1. Cympak
      Cympak 12 February 2022 21: 17
      +1
      Each of the 2 launchers can launch 2 Kornet missiles in one "laser path". Consequently, in a salvo from two retractable launchers of the "Tiger" it is possible to launch 4 "Kornet" missiles almost simultaneously.
  26. TANKISTONE
    TANKISTONE 12 February 2022 18: 12
    0
    Each Palestinian family, "Tiger" with "Cornet" !!!
  27. VicktorVR
    VicktorVR 12 February 2022 19: 41
    +1
    I don’t see a problem in organizing a sequential / simultaneous salvo of both three and four, or at least 10 missiles at one target. Even the "hardware" does not need to be specially modified, it's more a matter of software.
    And not from one launcher with a package of guides, but from different ones, from different points and even directions.

    And according to holivar, the Israelis are saved only by their motivation and acc. high fighting spirit. They have nothing to lose, their families are behind them.
    Until the Arabs have an equivalent motivation, they will not shine.
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 15 February 2022 13: 09
      -1
      Quote: VicktorVR
      I don’t see a problem in organizing a sequential / simultaneous salvo of both three and four, or at least 10 missiles at one target. Even the "hardware" does not need to be specially modified, it's more a matter of software.
      And not from one launcher with a package of guides, but from different ones, from different points and even directions.

      And according to holivar, the Israelis are saved only by their motivation and acc. high fighting spirit. They have nothing to lose, their families are behind them.
      Until the Arabs have an equivalent motivation, they will not shine.

      Just Hezbollah's motivation is higher than the roof. More than one generation has changed there. You can even say not motivation but fanaticism
  28. sash-sash
    sash-sash 13 February 2022 16: 23
    0
    First of all, the Trophy is particularly effective against tank ATGMs, which (claimedly) give Russian tanks a "great advantage" in firing range.
    At this distance, no shelling from machine guns and other things are present
  29. Protos
    Protos 14 February 2022 14: 09
    -2
    Jews have always been great storytellers. lol
    And in real wars, they always suffered heavy losses even from the hands of the partisan Arabs.
  30. Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 15 February 2022 13: 06
    0
    Excuse me, but where does the kaz on the tank model come from? And the model itself exactly repeats the design of the tank?