Kiev announced its intention to disrupt the certification of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline

The certification of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline threatens Ukraine, so Kiev is making every effort to disrupt this process and prevent it from being put into operation. This was stated by the head of the company "GTS Operator of Ukraine" Serhiy Makogon.

Ukraine will make every effort to disrupt the Nord Stream 2 certification process and prevent gas from being pumped through it. According to Macagon, the commissioning of the gas pipeline poses a "significant threat" to Ukraine. By what means and methods Kiev intends to stop the certification process, he did not explain.

Thus, Makagon once again confirmed that Kiev is afraid of launching a new gas pipeline, fearing to completely lose gas transit and, accordingly, the money for it. To this end, Ukraine is spreading statements that the Ukrainian GTS can pump a volume of gas equal to all gas pipelines, so the construction of new ones is not required. Kiev intends to remain the only transit country for Russian gas and use this to dictate its own prices.

Against this background, the gas pipeline operator Nord Stream 2 AG has already established a "daughter" in Germany - the company Gas for Europe GmbH, which will take part in the certification of the gas pipeline as its owner.

Meanwhile, Ukrainian President Zelensky was accused of high treason. The reason for this was the decision of Kiev to buy gas from Hungary directly, without a virtual reverse. Zelensky is blamed for the cost of gas, which reaches $1440 per thousand cubic meters, as well as the fact that Ukraine buys Russian gas going through the Turkish Stream, and not through the Ukrainian GTS. If it went through the Ukrainian "pipe", then it would be a stretch to call it Ukrainian, but this is the pure gas of the "aggressor", for which Kiev pays the highest price, since it costs Europe 350 dollars.

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[rocket757]

Kiev announced its intention to disrupt the certification of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline

. To say that the racing races continue ... so this is already clear to everyone.
In general, there is nothing to add.

[dorz]

Gas pipeline certification.

The Germans have postponed the certification of the gas pipeline to the second half of 2022.

A few figures:

The paradox of the current situation in the global gas market lies in the fact that there is no shortage of gas. Demand is quite satisfied with the available supply. Moreover, the gross market indicators for the past six months did not show the presence of a deficit. However, the uneven and extremely dynamic demand for gas in China created imbalances that led to a sharp rise in prices in Europe and generally unbalanced the entire market.

Today, 93 million tons of gas liquefaction capacities are being built in the world, of which 87 million tons will be operational by the end of 2025 of the year. US projects are leading the new wave, accounting for 55% of future LNG volumes. The United States is a gas-rich country, already now their production exceeds 1 trillion cubic meters. cubic meters (by 25% more than Russia produces). And the prospect is to increase another 200 billion. cubic meters per year. These volumes will go to Europe (as well as to Asia, but it is also targeted by large LNG projects in Australia, Malaysia and Mozambique).
After that, Europe will already be tied to America, not Russia.

The conclusion from what is happening is extremely obvious: Europe has created new balance gas supplies based on both pipeline and LNG supplies. The excess capacity built by Gazprom is no longer needed. Therefore, Europe is quite calm about the idea of ​​​​exploiting Nord Stream-2. Whether he is or not does not affect strategic security in any way. And the fact that this is actually money that Gazprom buried in the ground and drowned in the sea is its problem. More precisely, problems of the Russian people, from which all Gazprom's losses will be milked to the penny. But when did the white people care about the problems of the Indians?

Source: https://t.me/anatoly_nesmiyan/1110

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: dorz

The Germans have postponed the certification of the gas pipeline to the second half of 2022.

Is winter ending? Don't need gas?

[tralflot1832]

How exploded. And the price of the issue is only $ 201 million. And then not for us, but for Hungary. Which again blocked the admission of Ukraine to the committee on cyber security in NATO. They were bombed that they paid the veto to the Hungarians.

[Evil543]

Apparently, they don’t even need electricity, they are trying to disconnect from our networks with Belarus. Integration into Europe. Is electricity cheaper there?

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Evil543

Apparently, they don’t even need electricity, they are trying to disconnect from our networks with Belarus. Integration into Europe. Is electricity cheaper there?

Let them have fun. They don’t want cheap resources under long-term contracts - let them buy at an increased price on “critical days”.
And to crawl to the bow for energy from the BelNPP against which they opposed - the height of humiliation.

[CAT BAIYUN]

Hello everyone, dear ones.
I will probably be original, but I will speak out: the certification of Nord Stream 2 as a technical facility has already been completed. Even last year. The only thing that is happening now is the registration of the German company as an independent operator and the fuss about the definition of the danger to the German economy in the German state bodies. It's a long time to write here .... but you need to go through the European Union commission with all this documentary badyagi. It is this (and not already completed certification) launch that delays. Delay the launch, as I see it, will be until the end of this summer. Why? It's profitable. To whom? - ask traders who trade gas. Their margin is basic. By the way, Gazprom also has its own share in terms of shares of trading companies. So you don't have to worry about Gazprom. If they have not paid back the costs of construction, then in half a year with such prices they will pay off .... And let Europe worry about Europe. They have such a fat fluffy animal looming from the tundra by spring and autumn ... It will be interesting. Promise.

[syndicalist]

Quote: KOT BYUN

. By the way, Gazprom also has its own share in terms of shares of trading companies. So you don't have to worry about Gazprom.

This is also one of the paradoxes of the current gas situation. Gazprom is becoming one of the interested parties in the failure of the certification of the gas pipeline. Certification will inevitably return gas prices not even to the pre-crisis level, but much lower. The same registration of a German operator could be done in a matter of days. The process is deliberately dragged out by Gazprom itself.

[Maikcg]

Why would prices fall lower? There is no gas, but you hold on, and good mood (s). Even now, Gazprom could sell on the spot and on the St. Petersburg stock exchange, but it does not sell, so as not to create an excess and not to influence the price, which the Europeans themselves inflated on the stock exchange. And it does not pump into its European UGS. All volumes are strictly according to contracts. And with the introduction of SP2, it will also be strictly according to contracts, only 404 will be disconnected from boobs and poles, into spare mode.

[CAT BAIYUN]

The process is deliberately dragged out by Gazprom itself.

I do not think so. The amount of gas sold at spot prices does not bring the profit that comes from long-term contracts. That is, it is sold expensively, but not enough, the same is sold cheaply, but many times more and more clearly what and how much to download. For long-term planning, Gazprom, of course, is more comfortable with constant demand even at low prices. Let's put it this way: trading at spot prices and directly with the consumer is a consequence of the lack of stable wholesale sales ..... So Gazprom is not a monster. He treats the client very correctly - like with a cow: with respect, but without pity.

[bashkir]

Very interestingly told. We'll wait. Especially interesting is the prediction about the fluffy European animals)

[CAT BAIYUN]

There is far from one fluffy beast creeping up. How many nitrogen fertilizer plants have closed in Europe? Almost all? I haven’t got to the bottom of this information yet, but I feel that not so many of them are still working ... Odessa is closed, the British closed, although not Europe ... The lion’s share in the cost of the products of these enterprises is the price of energy, that is, gas. What is coming? - Absence of nitrogen fertilizers and, consequently, andets sowing. Have sanctions been imposed on Belarusians? And there, in fact, "Grodno Azot" is working and could deliver, but no... sanctions... Well... Can Russia provide nitrogen? Maybe. But he doesn't want to. Exactly from February 2, the export of ammonium nitrate from the Russian Federation is banned for two months - well, we predict an early start of the sowing campaign .. what is there ... Sorry, gentlemen, Europeans, but apparently it will not work out with vegetables ... So what about fur-bearing animals - yes - somehow "fun" everything looms. But this is not the biggest piece of what the EU gestures have done on the gas issue and on the topic of the Ukrainian bogey. A close example: the Germans promised us last year to supply components to our enterprise .... Such plastic things - cable glands .... The contract has not been closed for the second month already .... but no lie .. the third. Considering that only 35% of the gas entering Europe is used for heating, it becomes clear that obtaining plastic from Russian pipeline gas has become somewhat ... expensive .... to put it mildly. What we have - the production chain is torn. Warehouse stocks (as a rule) for two or three months ... Then what will they do? And such a badyag not only with plastic .... Almost all production chains are so tense that somehow no one even notices the freezing burghers. And the concept of "energy poverty" in Europe is a harsh reality. Energy poverty is when there is a choice: either heat the home and light it up or eat. There is not enough money for both. So what are we waiting for.....

[rocket757]

Different experts, different opinions...just wait and see how things turn out.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: dorz

And the fact that this is actually money that Gazprom buried in the ground and drowned in the sea is its problem.

Ага.

The operator of the gas pipeline construction project is Nord Stream 2 AG, the sole shareholder of which is Gazprom. Gazprom's partners - German Wintershall and Uniper, Austrian OMV, French Engie and Royal Dutch Shell (Great Britain and the Netherlands) - will finance 50% of the project.

MOSCOW, May 14. /TASS/. Five European energy companies - Gazprom's partners in the Nord Stream 2 project - have already invested almost a billion euros in its implementation, that is, almost the entire capital budget for the project in the amount of €8 billion has already been invested. This was reported to TASS by the official representative of the company - the operator of the Nord Stream 2 AG project.

In total, more than 2 companies from 670 countries are involved in the Nord Stream 25 project, the source added.

https://tass-ru.turbopages.org/turbo/tass.ru/s/ekonomika/6427621
So everyone now has "problems".

[CAT BAIYUN]

So everyone now has "problems". wassat

Well, you could say that. Although, until they officially refuse to operate the entire ground infrastructure, all participants (Wintershall and Uniper, Austrian OMV, French Engie and Royal Dutch Shell (Great Britain and the Netherlands) will sit quietly. But as soon as they refuse to operate, all this lads will be pulled into courts. And they will sue those states that issued permits and licenses for construction. And these courts will win. An open letter to the governments of the states that issued these permits was sent back in 2017. The position is clearly indicated: repealing laws retroactively will be expensive "Very expensive. So now these delays (not certification, but registration of legal entities) play into the hands of traders and kill the economy of Europe. Kapets will come in the spring and closer to autumn ..... We look.

[zloybond]

Kiev's contract ends. And if the "non-national treasure" decides, after a little reflection, not to conclude the following contract, the question will hang in the air:
- Where is the gas? They will ask from the geyropa ... - So there he is, the pipe is ready. Waiting.
- But what about this (Ukrainian) pipe? Western people will ask....
.....Ah...this one...yes the jester knows her. We don't need it. Take away.
-What about us??? European integrators (outskirts) will jump -
- Ah .... yes ... you are right there .... - not up to you ... then ... everything later ... somehow come back later ...
Actually, after contracts with China, all conversations with geyropa gradually turn into secondary ones, as supplies to China, Mongolia and Asian countries increase ....
SHORT - Let's chew. We'll see.

[Brturin]

Quote: dorz

will be operational until the end of 2025

But the beginning of 2022 is in the yard and gas in the EU is between $900 and $1000 and the storage facilities are empty... the question is what to do here and now and at what price and how to fill these storage facilities in the summer to get through the next winter... and 2025...

[tralflot1832]

The issue price is $1440 × 140 cubic meters = $000 million. Germany receives 000 million cubic meters per day under SP 201, and 1 million cubic meters per month.

[ankir13]

1440×140=000, then $000 billion

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: dorz

More precisely, the problems of the Russian people, from which all Gazprom's losses will be milked to the penny. But when did the white people care about the problems of the Indians?

Of course, from the people ... but from what? Do we have gas inside Russia has risen in price? Quite vile twitches - the European peoples paid for the SP-2. The price soared, as did Gazprom's profit, and covered the costs of SP-2 ... Now Gazprom will be in parallel, whether it will be put into operation or not. And as for American gas to Europe - again, almost in parallel. It's shale gas. Highly environmentally friendly...

[CAT BAIYUN]

And as for American gas to Europe - again, almost in parallel.

But this is generally nonsense .... (I mean nonsense about gas supplies from America). Amer does not have so much gas, there are not so many gas carriers .... Well, Europe will not have American gas ... A couple of gas carriers a year, with Europe's needs of more than 200 yards a year, is baby talk. Only Ukrainians can believe in this fairy tale. They can. They don't just believe...
And about the costs of Gazprom - yes. They have already paid for everything a long time ago, and if not, then in half a year they will pay for it. And in this case, Europe's problems are only their problems. Russia is purple, what these European Papuans will do with themselves .....

[syndicalist]

Quote: dorz

The paradox of the current situation in the global gas market is that in fact there is no shortage of gas. Demand is quite satisfied with the available supply. Moreover, the gross market indicators for the past six months did not show the presence of a deficit. However, the uneven and extremely dynamic demand for gas in China created imbalances that led to a sharp rise in prices in Europe and generally unbalanced the entire market.

The paradoxes don't end there. There has been information that China has ceded to Europe recently purchased volumes of LNG. The tankers, which had already passed half way, turned around and went to Europe. Also, the international concern Yamal LNG has sharply increased the volume of supplies of liquefied gas to Europe. This gas seems to be Russian, but it is managed by persons not controlled by the Russian state. All these circumstances taken together allow Europe to confidently survive this winter.

[Brturin]

Quote: syndicalist

All these circumstances taken together allow Europe to confidently survive this winter.

The question is the price of this confidence - prices that are now hardly comfortable for the European economy and consumers

British energy regulator Ofgem will raise the price threshold for gas and electricity for consumers from April 1 due to a sharp increase in global natural gas prices, the company said... those on default rates paying by direct debit will see an increase of £1 from £22 to £693 per annum (difference due to rounding) Prepaid customers will see an increase of £1277 from £1971 to £708 in 1309 ", Ofgem said in a statement. https://2017prime.ru/energy/1/20220203.html

Somehow there are doubts that China and other representatives of Asia are ready to donate LNG to Europe on an ongoing basis ... the winter has passed, the storage facilities are empty and need to be filled .. and who will guarantee that the situation of last year will not repeat itself .. when Vetrilo forgot to look into Europe and instead of storage facilities, gas was compensated for by the so-called. "green energy"...

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: syndicalist

It has been reported that China ceded Europe recently acquired volumes of LNG. The tankers, already halfway through, turned around and headed for Europe.

Wouldn't it be more accurate: resold?
With broth, respectively.

[Pereira]

Based on Dmitry's post, we can make an unambiguous conclusion - the Ukrainian pipe will not survive 2025. And this is good.

[fruc]

dorz: The excess capacity built by Gazprom is no longer needed.

If this is so, then why should Europe twitch. Let them sit quietly on the priest, plus their "green" and nuclear energy, and not whine about the high cost of gas. In any case, time will put everything in its place.

Makagon once again confirmed that Kiev is afraid of launching a new gas pipeline, fearing to lose gas transit and, accordingly, the money for it.

Has it really not dawned on the panheads that transit through the outskirts will end in 2024?

[blackcat]

Yes, everything reached them, that's why they want to unleash a war with Russia and immediately surrender

[boris epstein]

Everything seems to be correct, but we still have to live until 2025. After all, this winter has not yet ended, and the winters of 2022-2023, 2023-2024, 2024-2025 are still ahead. Gas is not only heating. It is also chemical raw materials, in particular, fertilizers, although not only. And fertilizers are crops. And further. FIVE countries invested in SP-2, not just Russia. But Russia has already recaptured its own and is counting profits even from the idle SP-2 (from spot gas prices invented by the EU itself), and the other three countries are already at huge losses (Germany extended the contract with Russia at the time and now receives gas from SP-1 at a low price, if I'm not mistaken, at $270 per 1000 cubic meters, but sells at a spot price). The EU already has an idea to build a gas pipeline from Catalonia to France. But they themselves admit that it will not completely solve the problem, but only diversify gas supplies. Qatar has refused Western Europe gas supplies, Morocco is blocking gas transit to the EU. So the EU still has a lot of trouble with gas.

[zadorin1974]

Good evening, Dmitry. Maybe the amount of gas will appear virtually somewhere, but not in Europe. Pipeline Russian gas has no financial alternative. Liquefied gas is very expensive. 25 thousand per day) a terminal, an evaporator plant (the reverse process is even more energy-intensive). Is it possible to replace it? Price fluctuations in the market are tricks of the USA. Even now mattresses are being bought up by competing European manufacturers for a penny.

[Nyrobsky]

Source: https://t.me/anatoly_nesmiyan/1110

Find someone to refer to This is Tolik Nesmeyan, aka El Murid. That one more mutt!
And why did Tolik, describing the gas-rich USA with trillions of cubic meters, not write about the reasons why mattresses from Yamal LNG are purchased for their needs? Europe is already a little crazy about such mysterious passes of muddy mattresses!

[Maikcg]

Mattresses got screwed over by the mattresses a hundred years ago, Jones' law.

[Paranoid50]

This was especially fun:

Quote: dorz

/anatoly_nesmiyan/1110

And who is this Anatoly Nesmiyan? So by, Dima, by.

[Tavi]

About the source: anatoly_nesmiyan aka El-Murid (el_murid) was previously a "specialist" orientalist in Libya, Syria, Ukraine - his forecasts always somehow did not work out, now apparently he has become an LNG specialist.
more about this person here: https://kotbayun1965.livejournal.com/423918.html
from there a brief summary of it:
As a result, due to the carefully cultivated image of a modest Russian intellectual in an intelligent sweater and glasses, the image of a terry propagandist closely associated with Islamist, Vlasov and Nazi circles clearly emerges.

[private person]

Therefore, Europe is quite calm about the idea of ​​​​exploiting Nord Stream-2. Whether he is or not does not affect strategic security in any way.

It looks like your truth, otherwise the geyroppa would have certified SP-2 long ago. And so they are only satisfied with the campaign only "Gazprom" rushes to him most of all.

[DenisI]

But I won’t understand everything, how did they start building without having agreements on the launch?
After all, we spent 40 lard euros.
Not a small amount. Reckless move, don't you think?

[rocket757]

The last word hasn't been said yet....we'll just see how it ends.

[Alex777]

Quote: DenisI

But I won’t understand everything, how did they start building without having agreements on the launch?
After all, we spent 40 lard euros.
Not a small amount. Reckless move, don't you think?

No need for dust. Not 40, but 10. And not euros, but dollars.

Leading expert of the National Energy Security Fund Igor Yushkov recalls that Gazprom's costs for the construction of NS-2 amount to about $5 billion, and about $4,5 billion more from European partners. If the launch of the gas pipeline is canceled, all project participants will lose.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Alex777

No need for dust. Not 40, but 10. And not euros, but dollars.

That's right! In addition, of these ten billion dollars invested in SP-2, Russia's investments account for 1/3.

[Alex777]

Regular provocateurs are unaware of this. Whatever they write.

[DesToeR]

Quote: Alex777

No need for dust. Not 40, but 10. And not euros, but dollars.

Perhaps they meant not only the costs directly for SP2? It is known that for the future capacity of SP2, the Europeans themselves have invested heavily in their own gas pipelines in their territories: the Czechs, Germans, Austrians and French. Only the construction of new gas pipelines and the modernization of existing ones cost the "Europeans" something like 12 billion dollars. So Western Europe has something to lose, in addition to 2/3 capital investments directly into the SP2 line. Gazprom is in superposition today.

[Alex777]

Quote: DesToeR

Only the construction of new gas pipelines and the modernization of existing ones cost the "Europeans" something like 12 billion dollars. So Western Europe has something to lose, in addition to 2/3 capital investments directly into the SP2 line. Gazprom is in superposition today.

I believe you are correct in your assessment.
The "Great Game" to change the rules of Russia-EU interaction is in full swing.
Gas in the EU, the other day, was recognized as "green fuel".
States, with chants about Russia, already look ridiculous even in the eyes of the Americans themselves.
Macron spoke in an interesting way:

“Recent times have shown that if we decide not to talk, as the Europeans wished last year, while together with Chancellor Merkel we proposed to hold an EU-Russia summit, then we cannot resolve any conflict. After all, then we allow others to speak on our behalf, and we cannot make our contribution to collective security, ”Emmanuel Macron said ...

And this is only the beginning of the "path of awareness".
The further in the EU they go along it, the better it will be for both Russia and the EU.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: DesToeR

Quote: Alex777

No need for dust. Not 40, but 10. And not euros, but dollars.

Perhaps they meant not only the costs directly for SP2? It is known that for the future capacity of SP2, the Europeans themselves have invested heavily in their own gas pipelines in their territories: the Czechs, Germans, Austrians and French. Only the construction of new gas pipelines and the modernization of existing ones cost the "Europeans" something like 12 billion dollars. So Western Europe has something to lose, in addition to 2/3 capital investments directly into the SP2 line. Gazprom is in superposition today.

Moreover, the capacities of the gas pipeline have already been bought out for 15 years in advance, and those who have invested in it obviously have an intention to recoup their investments with a profit. Considering that European business still has influence on politicians, I think that not by washing so "pooping" but by politicians will prevent the blocking of SP-2.

[75 Sergey]

Business, building permits were obtained, there were agreements, they just turned on reverse gear, they can’t refuse, but they don’t give them, so they are dragging out with certification.
Everything else is from the Evil One.
They are trying to lay down a "scientific basis", and some are muddying the waters here, trying to influence immature minds by telling half the truth.

[sabakina]

Quote: DenisI

But I won’t understand everything, how did they start building without having agreements on the launch?
After all, we spent 40 lard euros.
Not a small amount. Reckless move, don't you think?

How will you find your testicles, tell us, we will laugh together!

[Alex777]

Quote: sabakina

How will you find your testicles, tell us, we will laugh together!

[Olga]

Quote: sabakina

How will you find your testicles, tell us, we will laugh together!

it is good for eggs to be in the cold
(I'm sorry, Lord!)

[DenisI]

Do stories about eggs make you happy? :)))
Of course, there are all sorts of things, everyone has their own for-would :) Good luck to you.

[Olga]

Yes, actually, what a question, such an answer followed ...

And you, Denis, good luck in your studies!

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: DenisI

After all, we spent 40 lard euros

How many??? Where did you get it?

[DenisI]

Before the start of construction work, CFO of Gazprom's subsidiary Nord Stream 2 AG, Paul Corcoran, announced that the construction cost of Nord Stream 2 would amount to 8 billion euros (about 685 billion rubles). At the same time, back in 2015, Alexei Miller, Chairman of the Management Board of Gazprom OJSC, called the preliminary cost of the project within 9,9 billion euros (about 848 billion rubles). The main contractor called the difference between these amounts financing costs. At the same time, the opponents of the project, represented by the US-controlled media, name completely different amounts. They claim that the cost of Nord Stream 2 is 40 billion euros (3428 billion rubles). And of these, the project partners will pay only 9 billion euros.
Who to believe?

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: DenisI

Nord Stream 2 is 40 billion euros (3428 billion rubles). And of these, the project partners will pay only 9 billion euros.
Who to believe?

Of course, striped. They do not say a word of the truth under pain of death ... Oh, that is, untruths ... Something I got confused ...

[DenisI]

I agree, my cant, did not delve into the topic. Here I apologize.

[Coward]

If you really want to understand, and not be liberal, then read Boris Martsinkevich. He describes in great detail how the principle "The law has no retroactive effect" was broken in Europe.

[Tavi]

I will tell you more that half of this money is European

[VORON538]

Ukrainians should not worry about this, Gazprom returned its own, and you think where to hand over your GTS more expensive for metal

[tralflot1832]

You can always look at three things: how the fire burns, how others work, and how jumping horses around Nord Stream 2.

[Alex777]

Something wanted Nord Stream 3 see.

[tralflot1832]

If they survive to SP 3, they will jump low, low, and the slogan will be different Who does not freeze - that Moskal !!!!

[Evil543]

Even this chants and other songs did not help them in the futsal championship.

[rocket757]

There is something stable in the world ... wild jumps around this and that!
Restless, however.

[sergo1914]

Quote: tralflot1832

You can always look at three things: how the fire burns, how others work, and how jumping horses around Nord Stream 2.

4. How Nord Stream 2 is certified

[Anachoret]

The only thing that can disrupt Kiev is the “stop tap” on the toilet drain tank)
Devastation is the basis of the current Kiev "statehood")))

[Real Pilot]

I liked the new name given by a political scientist (Yuriy Kot, if I'm not mistaken), which expresses the essence of Ukrainian activities in relations between Russia and the West.
It is a TROJAN PIG!
Wherever they let the current ukrovlast, everywhere there is a screech and attempts to quarrel everyone and break firewood begin! And rudeness is just exemplary, standard.
Western unity has not yet burst at the seams, and all because of their partners in Kiev, eager to climb into the common table with their feet, sanctions and other delights of the post-Maidan world...

[Dizel200]

And how to qualify the actions of the horses and their patrons regarding the Nord Stream? This is also a threat to the security of Russia, and measures must be taken up to the military to level this threat.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Dizel200

And how to qualify the actions of the horses and their patrons regarding the Nord Stream? This is also a threat to Russia's security

You might think that in SP2 the interests of one Russia-Gazprom. And Germany and others

Nord Stream 2 AG has signed agreements to finance the project with ENGIE, OMV, Shell, Uniper and Wintershall Dea.

they have no interests in the pipe ...

[Olga]

Already so frankly, not covered up.
The diplomacy of the state is at zero.
The country of Ukraine is becoming unpredictable, internally uncontrollable.

[gla172]

.. It seems like it’s a sin to laugh at the sick, but it’s hard to resist ..

[210ox]

Here are the sick ones and put you on the minuses .. But in essence the article. They can disrupt the certification deployed hostilities. The barn burned down. Something like this

[rocket757]

A big badabum, it will not benefit anyone ... although it can close one, small-town problem, and this is already a plus.

[Alex777]

Quote: rocket757

Big badaboom, won't do anyone any good..

But why? It will be possible to remove sanctions from Russia for Crimea.
There will be no one to "return" it then? Erdogan will remain silent.

[rocket757]

Can't say how it will be better...
Waiting for the "green fruit" to ripen and fall into the hand by itself ... an option that is less stressful, but there are a lot of assumptions and uncertainties.
To pluck it as it is, and then to overcome the soreness, which, of course, will be ... a more or less understandable option, not the best, but with a faster possible positive result.
I don't know which is better....
And so, if there are no badabums, due to the correct, thoughtful actions, the moment of ripening can be brought closer ... not the fact that it will turn out, it can simply rot, completely.

[Alex777]

I agree. Choosing the right moment is the main thing in our business.
States is a pity. Everyone will go crazy there until we choose it.

[rocket757]

I have a feeling that nothing from the outside will hurt the minke whales ... they are successfully destroying themselves.
If you think about it .... Carthage must be destroyed, then Rome, then Byzantium, then .... in general, the process is endless, there is always someone to destroy, especially those who self-appointed themselves above others! So it was, so it will be.

[Alex777]

Quote: rocket757

I have a feeling that nothing from the outside will hurt the minke whales ... they are successfully destroying themselves.

They must not be disturbed, so as not to catch on, and it is necessary
turn up the voltage so they don't over tighten it.

[rocket757]

They are so exceptional that no one can interfere with them from the outside ... however, no one can help either. The trailer is rolling, the wheels are spinning...

[cat Rusich]

Quote: rocket757

...
Waiting for the "green fruit" to ripen and fall into the hand by itself ... an option that is less stressful, but there are a lot of assumptions and uncertainties.
.

As happens in life...
The pears have ripened, hanging on a tree and waiting - the gardener decides to wait a day or two and only then harvest.
At night, a strong wind begins to blow, a day later the gardener comes for the harvest ... all the pears are on the ground, all beaten and wasps have already begun to gnaw them.

Quote: rocket757

To tear it off as it is, and then overcome the soreness, which, of course, will ...
.

All the same pears...
There are varieties of pears that are plucked from the tree even in the "oak state", when they are still hard and tough - they are collected, folded and allowed to settle down - the pears ripen and become soft over time.
Who loves everything foreign - bananas are plucked green - while being taken to the market, bananas ripen on the way.

[rocket757]

It's clear. The orchard has its own rules and they are clear ... only the unforeseen can happen there, impudent, unceremonious hunters for someone else's!!!
We have, approximately, the situation is exactly like this, there are, there are, such arrogant and unceremonious hunters for someone else's! They climb in a crowd and are not afraid of much, because although they are frightened, more than once punished for theft, their greed and stupidity have no measure.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: rocket757

It's clear. The orchard has its own rules and they are clear ... only the unforeseen can happen there, impudent, unceremonious hunters for someone else's!!!
We have, approximately, the situation is exactly like this, there are, there are, such arrogant and unceremonious hunters for someone else's! .

Those who climb into someone else's garden or garden for the sake of "easy money" - after being caught and convicted (guilt must be proven) - are exiled to an eternal settlement in the abandoned villages of the non-chernozem strip of Russia.
Let them feel "how much a kilo of potatoes" on their own skin.

Quote: rocket757

, They climb in a crowd and are not afraid of much, because although they are frightened, they have been punished more than once for theft, .

If "more than once punished for theft ..."
That's just the point, that further "expressions of concern and condemnation" - nothing follows.
In Saudi Arabia - for theft for the first time cut off a hand...
They would cut off a couple of hands that are hungry for someone else's gas, according to the results "illegal withdrawal of gas from the GTS of Ukraine in 2009" today things were different...

[rocket757]

Gas and other "little things" are even very unpleasant, but, compared to what they are doing now, it was a white streak, now a black streak may come !!!

[Motorist]

Quote: 210ox

They can rip the certification

Can someone explain what kind of certification is this? At first I thought registry certification (DNVGL is 90% done on this job - source). And then there is some kind of procedure that Ukraine can "break" ... On the basis of what? Forum users, enlighten!

[210ox]

I understand that they want to participate in certification. And block. Of course, you can arrange a provocation and deploy hostilities. In this case, Germany will abandon SP2 (well, that's what they say). But this is a completely dead option for poop.

[Motorist]

Thank you. But what kind of process is this, where the "Register of Shipping of Ukraine" can block something? Or am I misunderstanding something?

[210ox]

I understand that this register can only delete itself ..

[Pandiurin]

Quote: Motorist

Quote: 210ox

They can rip the certification

Can someone explain what kind of certification is this? At first I thought registry certification (DNVGL is 90% done on this job - source). And then there is some kind of procedure that Ukraine can "break" ... On the basis of what? Forum users, enlighten!

There are two certificates, one for a technical object, a pipe. Most likely, there will be nothing particularly difficult with this, maybe there is already a certificate.
Another certificate is for the operator of the pipe operator, the piece that is in the EU. This is what the operator Nord stream, and now "gas for Europe." This certificate of complexity is full of EU laws and so many laws and approval procedures directed specifically against Gazprom that it can drag on forever.

If you look at the question simply, there is a seller and a buyer, if one of them does not want transactions to go through, then there will be no trade. Now the situation Gazprom wants to sell, Germany does not want to buy and there is nothing to be done here certificate, no certificate, nothing will happen.
As Germany wants the gas to go through this pipe and be sold to the EU, so it will go and the certificate will immediately appear in a miraculous way.
Or they will make a law on simplified certification without Brussels on national energy security.

[Motorist]

Thanks to you, too , of course - we are talking about certification of the operator. I think it's worth writing in the headlines. There is only one pipe, and you can grow and certify your own operator, you can find a local one, already certified - it doesn’t matter. What side is Ukraine here - as an associate member, or something ...

[Evil543]

So the country will be lost. Further along Lavrov ...

[210ox]

Was this country? Mriya o panuvati..

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: gla172

it is a sin to laugh at the sick

The disease called "St. Witt's dance" now has a different symptomatology - rhythmic bouncing in place with rhythmic cries of "Who does not jump - that m.o.skal."
Even at the semi-finals of the Futsal European Championship, they managed to seat unhealthy people in the stands. Well, at least the Dutch and other spectators did not get infected - they did not jump. Well, they're not m.o.skali.

I'm not laughing - I'm sorry. Let them jump. At least they warm up.

[tralflot1832]

Keep laughing, as of January 22, the gas price for Europe, average, long-term and spot, is $459.

[rocket757]

For long-term contracts ... a separate topic, but what does the spot price have to do with it? .... prices jump back and forth! Basically there....

Gas prices at the TTF gas hub (Netherlands) in terms of 1000 m³

04.02.2022/XNUMX/XNUMX Fri
979,1 $17,4
€ 855,6 15,2
UAH 27311,3 485,6

[hohohol]

in Kiev, they are afraid of launching a new gas pipeline, fearing that they will finally lose gas transit and, accordingly, the money for it.

Promises that the path of Russophobia will be paved with free lace panties and croissants are just promises. You have to pay for everything

[vitvit123]

Today, in a neighboring thread, some commentators wrote that you need to live in harmony with Ukraine, etc. I would like to know how you can live peacefully with a neighbor who lives with only one thought: how to make us worse, up to our mortification? My opinion is that there is only a harsh upbringing on our part, and if someone has relatives there, then let them step aside from this and not hurt them .. Ukraine raises the question of either they or we .. and we have to choose and we choose we do more by right of the strong, the one that is beneficial to us ..

[d1975]

It happens that such neighbors come across. This is living gangrene. And it is treated in only one way. I somehow bought a hut, I’m building a house now. Nearby is a neighbor like a real Ukraine. glad that there are no weapons in the house. So is Ukraine, just give them everything, but for good reason, hold a conference and declare that the problems of the republics of the USSR have not been resolved and we will solve them ourselves. Really got this 404.

[sanya_sergant]

It is difficult to understand the logic of the skakuas.
How does a gas pipeline laid a thousand kilometers from Ukraine threaten Ukraine's security?

[Alex777]

Quote: sanya_sergant

How does a gas pipeline laid a thousand kilometers from Ukraine threaten Ukraine's security?

Very threatening. There is no way to get gas from it by "reverse".
Seriously, the US needs a valve from the gas pipeline. To rule.
There is a valve from Polish, from Ukrainian too, but from SP 1,2 - no.

[I am Peter]

Minister of Energy of Ukraine Herman Galushchenko said that Kiev will take part in the process of certification of the Russian gas pipeline.

Kucherenko explained that the minister was fulfilling his main task, namely, hiding "bad news." According to him, many Ukrainian officials, including the head of Naftogaz, Yuriy Vitrenko, have repeatedly announced Kiev's participation in the certification of Nord Stream 2.

“But I will tell you a secret - we do not take part ... The European Commission is considering this issue according to its own procedure,” Kucherenko said on the air of the TV channel.

He noted that Ukraine can participate in the process of certification of the Russian gas pipeline only as an observer, but it does not have the opportunity to influence the decision of the commission. It is reported by "The Rambler". Next: https://finance.rambler.ru/business/47988188/?utm_content=finance_media&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink

[75 Sergey]

And in the tender for the supply of submarines to Australia, the United States, they

don't want to participate?

[Vasyan1971]

Meanwhile, Ukrainian President Zelensky was accused of high treason.

Oh, hold me seven, otherwise I'll fall off the couch! Zelya is a traitor to Nenka! On the same bunk with Poroshenko they will bathe!

[rocket757]

They have a strange "club of traitors" going!
There after all everyone and not on one couple, already, it is appointed.

[Vasyan1971]

Yeah. Country of Hetmen

[rocket757]

Different countries and national fun are different for everyone ...
So keep away from them, so as not to get infected with something like that.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: rocket757

So keep away from them, so as not to get infected with something like that.

Yeah. A bad neighbor is a nightmare. Downstairs, for example, there are lovers in the late afternoon, drunk karaoke, yelling in bad voices. Trouble right...

[Alex777]

When they yell from below, it's better than when they shout from above.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Alex777

When they yell from below, it's better than when they shout from above.

Yes, ugh. From above and wet can ...

[Alex777]

You are on top. It's always better that way.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Alex777

You are on top. It's always better that way.

Smells like male chauvinism...
But yes, it's better!

[Alex777]

Quote: Vasyan1971

But yes, it's better!

[rocket757]

I had only one neighbors with bells and whistles, THE WHOLE FAMILY!
When they sold the house, everyone around "prayed" that there would be no more of them ... LUCKY!!!
And so, I live on the street FUN!!! and now we are all well and having fun!

[210ox]

This is not a "club". And the mentality. Starting with Mazepa

[rocket757]

Well, yes, after Khrushchev, there was a respite, and then, now they themselves ran into Kuchma, Kravchuk and all the others, practically without a break!
Unfortunately, we ourselves can even commemorate some "ours" not even with a "kind word", with a whole tirade of specific content!

[mark1]

Well, do not download ch.z. them at all after the 24th year! Require recertification of the GTS due to the long service life, with our direct participation.
In the end, we have Nord Stream 2, if the Europeans want the GTS, let them pay for the transit of it

[rocket757]

The Germans carried out an audit of their GTS, in 18, it seems ... even then they attributed wear to it at 80%, it is unlikely that it has become better since then ... most likely, this is already scrap metal at 100%.

[mark1]

Quote: rocket757

most likely, this is already scrap metal at 100%.

But this must be documented))) and then let the same Germans take all the risks. Under such a case, it is quite fair to demand some revision of the contract - if they require a certain route of delivery, then let them bear certain costs.

[rocket757]

So the conclusions then, quite official made.
And now, the Kukuevskys will not dare to invite someone else, check it out. what they have and how much!.
Themselves, they will do everything themselves and write the papers.
That's just, who will take their word for it, they are not gentlemen.

[Carat]

Quote: rocket757

The Germans carried out an audit of the GTS, in the year 18, it seems ... even then they attributed wear and tear to her at 80%, it is unlikely that since then she has become better ... most likely, this is already scrap metal at 100%.

In 2015 year.

[prior]

The resale of weapons to third countries is usually regulated in supply contracts. For example, now Israel has imposed a ban on the resale of Israeli weapons by the Baltic countries to Ukraine.
It should be the same with gas.
When concluding supply contracts, there should be an article in the contract prohibiting the resale of gas to third countries, at least without the consent of Gazprom.
So that Germany does not resell Russian gas right and left, so that Hungary does not supply Russian gas to Ukraine.
Measures should be simple in case of violation - reduced supplies, increased purchase prices, penalties in dollar terms.
For the europacket for the rospacket.
And then all and sundry got excited, all sorts of scholts, Erdogans and other euro trifles.

[75 Sergey]

It was... For a long time... Disputed.

[ALARI]

Do you think that Gazprom does not know? How many years this has been happening, but the reaction is like that of an impotent, that is, no. You understand now that some people's business is sacred in our country.

[prior]

By my own naivety, I still deceive myself with the hope that patriots, responsible government officials, and specialists in their fields have not yet died out in the country.
But real life refutes this every day.
But the man is alive while he hopes. Here's what I hope for.

[ALARI]

The patriots have not died out (as they position themselves, there are only patriots of the highest standard in the State Duma and the Federation Council), but you just want to eat, and whoever dances the girl will have her dinner.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: prior

When concluding supply contracts, there should be an article in the contract prohibiting the resale of gas to third countries, at least without the consent of Gazprom.

What the Americans do, and when they need to, they can sue anyone.

[Art Pilot]

Martsinkevich said that the gas pipeline had already passed certification.
We are now talking about the certification of a German company - operator.

[rocket757]

So it is ... there are only bureaucratic complications involved in politics.

[yuriy55]

Kiev announced its intention to disrupt the certification of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline

Don’t tear off the thread for yourself, otherwise the Americans will have to cut you a new, inch one ...
In the morning, the thought was still glimmering that you could TRY to find adequate people among the Ukrainian authorities. By evening, all hopes had vanished again.
It is time for Russia to calculate the losses in the event of an early termination of the contract for the supply of gas through the Ukrainian GTS and inform Europe about the timing of the termination of their gas supply through Ukraine.
What Europe will decide there, how it will decide on the pipe, is the tenth thing.
Spring is coming. it's time to raise Russian farmers, and not knead topics about Ukrainian alumina and European elections.
Russian troops are trained and prepared. Let Europe ride along with Zelensky there. Let's get ready for the election. Why should we solve their problems?

[75 Sergey]

Well, in general, this rabid dog is already ready to break the chain, just a little bit more.

[tihonmarine]

According to Macagon, the commissioning of the gas pipeline poses a "significant threat" to Ukraine. By what means and methods Kiev intends to stop the certification process, he did not explain.

Exaggerating over Macagon, we can assume that all of Ukraine will ride for a whole week on the Maidan, God will see and send grace to Ukraine, in the form of stopping Potok-2 and damage to the Kremlin.
Well, you can’t talk about Ukraine on these topics, you just have to talk nonsense, because normal vocabulary is not suitable for them.

[BABAY22]

Kiev is making every effort to disrupt this process

Who would doubt...
If Moscow starts distributing sausages for free in Central Africa tomorrow, then Kiev "will make every effort to disrupt this process"

[anjey]

In Kiev, they are afraid of launching a new gas pipeline, fearing to finally lose gas transit and, accordingly, the money for it

They don't seem to have anything else to lose, do they? Everyone has long lost: the pride of victories, independence, territories, and, as it would not sound paradoxical for the Nazis, their identity, for how many years they have been trying to format the entire Ukrainian people into greedy lackeys.

[Amateur]

How tired of these Ukrainian threats, Wishlist and other nonsense, which, as if from a cornucopia, pour from every iron or toilet bowl. And even more annoying are the Russian media, which regularly repeat this guano.

[Reserve officer]

Victor, why be surprised? The Russian media are no different from any other. For the most part, they are a corrupt incompetent bunch, the main thing is money. Who pays, then the owner. It is said - about Ukraine, so - about Ukraine.
But something about Canada, some scraps of information, they are silent. And what is actually happening there is not clear. Here you have objectivity, head in the sand - it means there is nothing. Ostrich mentality.

[Tochilka]

Nord Stream 2 threatens Baba Nadya from Poltava? Peter from Mariupol? Or the pockets of Makogon and others like him from the upper strata of the current Ukrainian government? So I think it's the last one. For there will be nothing to steal. IMHO.

[Serega1]

Ukrainian government is a threat to Ukraine!

[Saladine]

"the head of the company" GTS Operator of Ukraine "Sergei Makogon" - let him drive his poppy further.
If the entire population of Ukraine starts jumping, then the resulting seismic wave may well damage the gas pipeline!!!

[Emergency]

What about the meaning? SP-2 is not pumping gas yet, but we manage. Ukrainian GTS for any kirdyk.

[Procopius Nesterov]

Ukraine alone wants to provide gas transit services to Russia. When it comes to money, Ukrainians forget about the "war".

[bk0010]

When does the contract with them end? At 24? So explain to Europe that after 24 years there will be either Nord Stream-2 or let them overpay for LNG from the states, and our gas will go to Asia

[alone]

Kiev is not in a position to do this. But the mouths of Kiev are those who can do this and, moreover, already intend to make the pipeline unpromising.

[Fedorovich]

The dance of the stoned storks continues.

[sen]

The reason for this was the decision of Kiev to buy gas from Hungary directly, without a virtual reverse. Zelensky is blamed for the cost of gas, which reaches $1440 per thousand cubic meters, as well as the fact that Ukraine buys Russian gas going through the Turkish Stream, and not through the Ukrainian GTS. If it went through the Ukrainian "pipe", then it would be a stretch to call it Ukrainian, but this is the pure gas of the "aggressor", for which Kiev pays the highest price, since it costs Europe 350 dollars.

So the Organ not in vain requested additional volumes of gas from Putin. To make money on people like Ukraine.

[Imperial Technocrat]

Nesmiyanovskiy kaklo-otbroc is delirious again Gazprom is swimming in money, but it dies especially hard in kakla :D He especially yelled about "by the end of 2025 (that is, in 4 years), 87 billion cubic meters of new LNG capacities will be introduced in the United States. Xoxlyatsky waste is at least aware that the growth per year demand for gas - 60 billion cubic meters, i.e. for 4 years - +240 billion?