“Stepping on the rake of Yanukovych”: in Ukraine they comment on Zelensky’s decree on the possibility of canceling the conscription service

Volodymyr Zelensky signed a decree on strengthening the defense capability of the Ukrainian state. In it, the President of Ukraine instructs the Cabinet of Ministers to prepare a package of bills, one of which proposes to cancel the conscription of citizens for military service in the Armed Forces of Ukraine from January 1, 2024.

This was reported by the press service of Zelensky.

Thus, if the relevant law is adopted in the Verkhovna Rada, in Ukraine it will be possible to cancel conscription for military service. Another cancellation. But it was precisely for this that Yanukovych was criticized at one time, who abolished the draft option of service by a corresponding decree. Yanukovych was later accused of having "undermined the foundations of state security" by such an order and "contributed to the collapse of law enforcement agencies." Therefore, in Ukraine itself, the new decree of the Ukrainian president was called "Yanukovych's rake, which Zelensky steps on."

Ukrainian experts, commenting on the situation, believe that this is either PR from Zelensky, or his mistake, or both at once.

In addition to canceling the draft of conscripts, Zelensky’s new decree talks about increasing the number of Ukrainian Armed Forces by 100 people, increasing the term of service in the army of contract soldiers and forming an additional twenty brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

In order to somehow compensate for the refusal to call up conscripts, the President of Ukraine suggests that the Ministry of Defense think about a more intensive system of military training, which, according to Zelensky, will become a replacement for military service. The head of state also instructed the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine to make changes to the state budget in order to provide for a gradual increase in the monetary allowance of military personnel, which he would like to carry out over the next three years.

The reform allegedly conceived by Zelensky should turn the Ukrainian army into a professional one.

Comments

[carpenter]

the new decree of the Ukrainian president in Ukraine itself was called "Yanukovych's rake, which Zelensky steps on."

The "little clown" has long been walking on a rake, as if on a mowed field studded with mines.

[Murmur 55]

He can he IM on the piano al royale played music so there is nothing to lose.

[alexmach]

Well, the idea is actually not at all new, so Yulia Vladimirovna proposed to cancel the call .. Sometime later, after the next presidential election .. Wait a second, since what year did he propose this? from 24 or what?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: alexmach

Oh wait a second since what year is he suggesting this? from 24 or what?

And where will he be a clown himself, after 2024?
And what do the Ukrainians themselves think about it?

[Alex777]

Yes, under the elections, he stirs up this topic. To support him.
To survive until the elections, it is necessary not to fight with the Donbass.
Unfortunately, everything goes to the fact that he will fail this mission.

[Orange bigg]

So it’s true. But in fact, where will they get so many contract soldiers so that even the new 20 brigades will have enough to refuse the call? this reform, since financially Ukraine will not pull such a reform, if everything is done wisely.

[MstislavHrabr]

HERE HE WILL SAY: WANT WE TO FIGHT AND DIE - PAY! No one wants to fight for free...

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: MstislavHrabr

HERE HE WILL SAY: WANT WE TO FIGHT AND DIE - PAY! No one wants to fight for free...

Especially WE died ... Is it Valtsman and Zelensky with their fellow tribesmen who will die for the country? The wrong money will be paid there so that the valtsmans and the Zelenskys die in battle.

[MstislavHrabr]

They are definitely not going to die ... But they know how to ask for money. Professionally. With justification and in colors ... "Defenders of all Europe" ...

[Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko]

In 2024, Ukraine will already be part of the Russian Federation.

[Murmur 55]

I remember Poroshenko also promised as much as one hryvnia per day on the front end, so here it’s more like Petit’s rake.

[VSO-396]

So there now they pay like that (on the front).

[fa2998]

A professional army is a rather expensive thing, and even build it up, and even increase the allowance, but they can’t collect a couple of billion for gas, they wedge around Europe.

[210ox]

Well, with such success, you can raise the number by half a million. I don’t know how he will justify why he will take a pittance. Well, apparently they will throw up a zhrachka. But this is for the time being. What about the economy? Let it wait

[Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko]

...they will turn on the printing press and print the hryvnia!

[210ox]

Hryvnia is not bucks. Those green national debt on the drum.

[Olga]

We don't understand the rich

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Ukraine suggests the Ministry of Defense to think about a more intensive system of military training, which, according to Zelensky, will be a replacement for military service.

.... even a damn thing I don’t understand drug addicts .. first castles in the air and then someone think how to bring them to life .... how can you sign and voice the law without having anything essential for its implementation .... stun .. .drug steers inside

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

..even a damn thing I don’t understand drug addicts ..first castles in the air and then someone think how to bring them to life.

- Doctor! Are we losing him? - Don't worry so much. We have a whole room of them!

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

... even a damn thing I don’t understand

Or maybe there is logic in this: first, allow the trunks to walk in / on, then free the juveniles from B / 0, so that there is someone to run around the country with these trunks ...

[Crimean partisan 1974]

first allow the trunks to walk

.... don’t interfere .... let the population decrease ... especially when, after the abolition of Minsk-2, they get it in the teeth, then the people will fight in skirmishes ... so let them go where they go

[Pavel57]

Is there a penny for a professional aria ???

[Murmur 55]

Pavel is so counting on the union of the sword and plowshare, that is, on England and Poland, they can’t wait.

[210ox]

Ah! And then Poland did not step on the English rake in 1939 ... Well, oh well. History is doomed to repeat for these fools.

[Murmur 55]

And will they prepare a reserve for V.S. U according to the principle of N.V.P., which was practiced in the USSR?

[210ox]

NWP is a good thing. Especially in terms of patriotic work. Of course, this training provided only a superficial knowledge of the army. I fondly remember my military instructor, Colonel Pavel Ivanovich Chibisov. This training should return to our Russian schools

[lis-ik]

Quote: 210ox

This training should return to our Russian schools

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[Murmur 55]

lis-ik, the question is how to INTEREST today's youth ??? It is to motivate, the whip is not an assistant here, it’s just that modern teenagers have other priorities, not me for the Motherland, but the Motherland for me, so this is a problem, but in terms of returning N.V.P. to school, I need it with both hands more than some modern subjects .

[bk316]

not me for the motherland, but the motherland for me

Well, firstly, it didn’t start right now, remember when over the past 100 years there was a maximum of mowing from conscription. Not at all now and not even in 2000, but much earlier.
secondly, NVP is not about the Motherland, it's about the ability to disassemble the machine. To attribute to the NVP such a super-task as patriotic education is to ruin both the NVP and education.

[lis-ik]

Quote: Murmur 55

lis-ik, the question is how to INTEREST today's youth ???

The question is very serious, moreover, according to the latest polls, they don’t want to fight for the current government, from the word at all, let their children fight. I think if it touches on the predatory motives of the Motherland and everything connected with it, then there is no need to motivate, but the national idea and state ideology are needed, as it used to be. At least in terms of the titular nation and everything corresponding to it and responsibility for small nations!

[Decadence]

You know, being part of the "modern youth" 20 years is not too old.

I don't want to die in the name of some mythical ideology and millions of oligarchs/officials.

Your own life is much more expensive than some kind of national pride, a mythical titular nation, moreover, there is only one life, and the state will not give out another.

Rather, I prefer to be as far away from a potential conflict as possible.

[Alexander Salenko]

Then be consistent, pay for your education at a commercial cost, refuse benefits if any, free medical care, pay for the education of children and grandchildren, if any.

[Decadence]

Why are you so naive?

1 - I don't study on a budget.
2 - I have no benefits other than a student travel card, but I'm not going to refuse it either.
3 - The same as above, I'm not going to, and I've been turning to private clinics lately.
4 - I have no children and grandchildren.
5 - It is not forbidden for us to have the citizenship of another state.
6 - I pay taxes and have the opportunity to enjoy all the benefits provided to me by the right of being a citizen of the Russian Federation.
7 - No, I do not think that this makes me obliged to die for someone's inflamed fantasy about the Russian world. And I also do not consider the imposition of ideology on the entire civilian population as a synonym for freedom. I absolutely do not think that a strong army is a synonym for a strong country, the economy and the standard of living of citizens are important first of all.

[Alexander Salenko]

Boy, I’m your father, and unlike you, my formation fell on a very difficult period in which the naive were either slurred or thrown to the side of the road. Well, if you study at your own expense, then there are no questions, but a reduced fare is a trifle, of course. Only now, if God forbid something happens to you, you will run to call an ambulance or the police. I know what happens to such people and how metalheads ask or punk cops to intercede myself I saw.

[bk316]

The question is very serious, moreover, according to the latest polls, they don’t want to fight for the current government, from the word at all, let their children fight.

Sergey, your views on power are known to everyone here. But you don't have to lie to yourself. In the 80s, the army was mowed down mainly by children of the intelligentsia and residents of the national territories. Since I studied at a physics and mathematics school and a difficult physics and mathematics school, from our class, besides me, 3 people went to the army. And this is when they were called up from all universities. in the 90s, everyone who had the opportunity began to mow, the military registration and enlistment offices simply chased the recruits like hares in the field. And since 2005-20010, this topic has been closed. Just at this time, the time came to serve the children of my peers. As you understand, most of them had convictions (from their parents) that it was not necessary to serve and it was possible to protect their children from the army. So practically no one took advantage of this opportunity, the children did not want to. Some served after high school, some before, and some right specifically in the middle of their studies. I'm not talking about that part of the population that goes to the civil service there, this is a masthead. And what is most characteristic of none of those who went or did not go and do not have YOUR thoughts in their head. Well, young people do not think that you have wrestlers in your head and on your tongue. Their way of thinking is completely different.

[210ox]

So you need to educate, so that you are for the Motherland. In Smolensk there is a park in memory of the Heroes of the two Patriotic Wars. 1812 and WWII. At the entrance there is a granite slab with the words of the poet Rylenkov.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Murmur 55

And will they prepare a reserve for V.S. U according to the principle of N.V.P., which was practiced in the USSR?

The NVP will be (and already now) given into the hands of the Nazis.

[security guard]

this is so that there are no questions to the oligarchs and other "ilite": "Why don't your children serve?", And "someone you need" can be called in another way;)

[Murmur 55]

What were their questions? Many of the powerful children did not serve and nothing was fired from their posts, but they did not hear about conscience, it was and will be so.

[Kerensky]

Volodymyr Zelensky signed a decree on strengthening the defense capability of the Ukrainian state. It contains the President of Ukraine instructs the Cabinet of Ministers to prepare a package of bills,

President of Ukraine invites the Ministry of Defense to think

That's all he signed. They will think and say: “It doesn’t work out, pan Zelensky” ....

[Yaro Polk]

“Stepping on the rake of Yanukovych”: in Ukraine they comment on Zelensky’s decree on the possibility of canceling the conscription service

[Knell wardenheart]

In general, the matter is reasonable, because there is no place for scripts in modern warfare. However, any reforms require money - and this one is no exception. Will modern Ukraine have so many funds, both for the reform itself and for payments, training, etc.? In addition, these shifts will have to be made in the conditions of the actual ATO, which already takes a lot of money from the budget.
While I think that this is all a beautiful "lure".

[Viktor Sergeev]

That is, there is no money for conscripts, but the pianist will probably earn contract servicemen with his organ. He would throw his main wife (Yermak) and drugs.

[Max PV]

About pension... Pah you!.. think of elections today. According to the plan, when are the elections in Ukraine? That's right, in the spring of 2024. And Ze's rating is not brilliant, to put it mildly. And here is such an opportunity - right in the midst of the future election campaign to announce the abolition of conscription.

[Avior]

A reasonable decision, in my opinion, which has been asking for a long time.
Separate the military training of the mobilization reserve and the full-time professional regular army.
It will be enough for local conflicts, and the savings on the conscription army are still not a very reasonable solution to use it in local conflicts - the money will make it possible to strengthen the regular army. Plus, territorial defense, with limited combat capability, but inexpensive, motivated and capable of a quick reaction.

[neurostimulator]

In vain he is criticized in this matter. Soon the war will begin to feed, and those who will not yawn will be required.

[riwas]

“Stepping on the rake of Yanukovych”: in Ukraine they comment on Zelensky’s decree on the possibility of canceling the conscription service

So just now he called on the elderly, women and children to fight against Russia.

[Arkadich]

I will be pleased with such an option that prompted him to this reform, that the military leaders report to him that with real personnel, even with the supply of Western weapons, porridge cannot be cooked. So maybe that's one of the reasons why he backed off? And it can be limited to all standing on the border.

[riwas]

And it can be limited to all standing on the border.

If. And then "Intelligence of the DPR announces the completion of the development of a plan for an offensive against the Donbass by the General Staff of the Ukrainian army"
https://topwar.ru/191813-razvedka-dnr-soobschaet-o-zavershenii-razrabotki-plana-nastuplenija-na-donbass-genshtabom-ukrainskoj-armii.html#comment-id-12144927

[Arkadich]

For me personally, the public statements of the DPR intelligence are not the last resort, if you look at their reports over the past 2 years, they are permanent. I believe that they also have an interest in forcing tension. Intelligence itself is probably quite effective, but its public statements, due to politics, are not reality.