“152-mm ammunition will not be needed by the Czech Republic”: the Ministry of Defense of the country explained the reasons for the transfer of shells to Ukraine

On January 26, 2022, the Czech government approved the proposal of the country's Ministry of Defense to provide free of charge 152-mm artillery shells from its stocks for the needs of the Ukrainian military as an exception.

As stated on the website of the Czech Ministry of Defense, this step fits into a set of measures aimed at "supporting democracy" in the independent. In total, 4 munitions are being transferred, designed to “strengthen the defense potential of Ukraine” against the backdrop of its request for help due to the “concentration of large military potential of the Russian Federation on the borders.”

The Czech Armed Forces have a sufficient supply of 152mm projectiles that are incompatible with the recently acquired 155mm NATO standard guns. Therefore, this ammunition will not be needed by the army

- says the official statement of the military department, explaining the reasons for the transfer of the specified materiel to Ukraine.

The cost of shells transferred to Kiev is 1,5 million euros. As specified in the CZDefence publication, the square will receive 4006 OFS type 152-EOFD-SHKH 77 and 404 pallets for them. Ammunition class 152-EOFD is a modernized version (for the Czech self-propelled guns DANA), which received a gas generator that increases the range of fire by 2 km. At the same time, as stated, they are compatible with Ukrainian guns.

As explained, the Independent Army is armed with 152-mm systems 2S19 Msta-S and 2S3 Akatsiya, 2S5 Hyacinth-S (self-propelled), 2A65, 2A36 and D-20 (towed).

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[Amateur]

Czechs are great! Instead of spending money on the disposal of expired ammunition that their army did not need due to the transition to other calibers, they gave them to Svidomo. Go transportation at their expense.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Amateur

Czechs are great! .....

At one time, we helped the Bulgarians by protecting them from the Turks - in all wars against Russia, the Bulgarians were on the side of the aggressor. In 1939, the USSR did everything possible to prevent the attack of Germany and Poland on Czechoslovakia (they tried to help with troops) - now the Czechs are sending shells that will be fired at the Russian-speaking population of the country. Rotten people.

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On September 19, President of Czechoslovakia Benes, through the Soviet plenipotentiary in Prague, addresses the government of the USSR with the question of whether it will provide assistance in a military conflict, as provided for by a mutual agreement, to which the Politburo of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks unanimously agrees. The Soviet Union guaranteed assistance to Czechoslovakia even if, contrary to the pact, France did not do this, and Poland and Romania refused to let the Soviet troops through. Poland stated that it would not let the Red Army through its territory and would attack it if the Soviet Union tried to send troops through Polish territory to help Czechoslovakia. The proposal of the USSR to discuss the problem in the League of Nations was blocked[3] by England and France.

On September 20-21, the English and French envoys in Czechoslovakia, demanding from the Czechoslovak government to fulfill the conditions of Germany, also reported: “If the Czechs unite with the Russians, the war may take on the character of a crusade against the Bolsheviks. Then it will be very difficult for the governments of England and France to stand aside.” E. Beneš invited the ambassadors to put their demands in writing, but the day before, the cabinet of ministers of Milan Goji decided to surrender.[4]

On September 21, Czechoslovakia's territorial claims in the form of ultimatums were presented by Poland and Hungary, concentrating their troops along the border. Soviet troops on the western borders of the USSR were put on alert to come to the aid of Czechoslovakia.

On September 22, Chamberlain again went to Hitler and offered to transfer the Sudetenland to Germany, Hitler demanded that this be done before September 28 and to satisfy the claims of Poland and Hungary. On the same day, Deputy People's Commissar for Foreign Affairs of the USSR V.P. Potemkin confirmed to the envoy of Czechoslovakia, Z. Firlinger, that the government of the USSR, in the event of a German attack on Czechoslovakia, would provide assistance to the latter, without waiting for the decision of the Council of the League of Nations, provided that Czechoslovakia itself would resist.

On September 23, the Czechoslovak government announced a general mobilization. The Soviet government makes a statement to the government of Poland that any attempt by the latter to occupy part of Czechoslovakia will annul the non-aggression pact.

On September 29-30, negotiations were held in Munich between Great Britain, France, Germany and Italy on the details of the agreement, to which representatives of the Czechoslovak Socialist Republic and the USSR were not admitted. At one o'clock in the morning the agreement was signed, after which the Czechoslovak delegation was also allowed to sign it.

On September 30, a declaration of mutual non-aggression was signed between Britain and Germany; a similar declaration by Germany and France was signed a little later. The annexation of the Sudetenland was carried out from 1 to 10 October 1938[5]. Poland organized a series of acts of sabotage in the Teszyn region, declared them the beginning of a popular uprising in Teszyn for reunification with Poland, sent another ultimatum to Prague and, simultaneously with German troops, sent its army into the Teszyn region, the subject of territorial disputes between it and Czechoslovakia in 1918-1920 years.[6] Hungary also received its share, annexing the southern and eastern regions of Slovakia, 87% populated by ethnic Hungarians. ......

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A7%D0%B5%D1%85%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D0%B2%D0%BE_%D0%92%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B9%D0%BD%D0%B5

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Bad_gr

In 1939, the USSR did everything possible to prevent the attack of Germany and Poland on Czechoslovakia (they tried to help with troops) - now the Czechs are sending shells that will be fired at the Russian-speaking population of the country. Rotten people.

After WWII, the USSR made certain efforts so that Poland (Poland) would return the Teszyn region of Czechoslovakia (Czech Republic) - the return took place on June 13, 1958.
Otherwise (without the help of the USSR), the Czech Republic is still suing and dressing up with Poland.
The Sudetenland was returned immediately after WWII.

[carpenter]

Quote: Bad_gr

now the Czechs are sending shells that will be fired at the Russian-speaking population of the country.

They, too, will need to be brought to trial for aiding terrorists.

[Fedor M]

It is not the people who make the decision, but the "rotten government", its individual personalities

[Glagol1]

The Czechs are not good at all. They kindle a war. Maybe they will backfire.

[Thrifty]

Rotten amateurs, they are filthy! Like the fields with extinctions, they caved in under the Yankees, their only ambition and greyhound, nothing, and God may also punish them with our hands !!!

[Palmyra]

Such an excuse, like we don’t want anything bad, we don’t need it anyway ...

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Amateur

Czechs are great! Instead of spending money on the disposal of expired ammunition that their army did not need due to the transition to other calibers, they gave them to Svidomo.

And, most importantly, they disowned direct support for Ukraine.

[Pavel episkop]

Spring is coming soon, and with it a fire in some warehouse where the shells will be stored) will either be sold to the left, or only a part will reach the army

[carpenter]

Quote: Paul episkop

Spring is coming soon, and with it a fire in some warehouse where the shells will be stored) will either be sold to the left, or only a part will reach the army

And again the Czechs will accuse Petrov and Bashirov of arson: and the shells will be handed over to Bandera.

[Kerensky]

It's strange somehow. Well, okay - the Czechs switched to 155 mm. A 152 mm. didn't they store it?

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Kerensky

It's strange somehow. Well, okay - the Czechs switched to 155 mm. A 152 mm. didn't they store it?

What for? This is not a NATO caliber.

[Kerensky]

What for? This is not a NATO caliber.

Aron.
I appreciate sarcasm. If the Czechs have a whole park and a whole line of 152 mm in storage, then there should be a fair amount of shells for them.
What then did they select from their bins for a gift to Ukraine? 4006 shells, small batch.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Kerensky

What for? This is not a NATO caliber.

Aron.
I appreciate sarcasm. If the Czechs have a whole park and a whole line of 152 mm in storage, then there should be a fair amount of shells for them.
What then did they select from their bins for a gift to Ukraine? 4006 shells, small batch.

They also sold their Danes to the same Ukraine, but they didn’t seem to have anything else in 152mm.

[Vadim237]

For that, the destruction from this number of shells will be more than decent if they are used by the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

[Fedor M]

Czechs, like the Germans, "thrown a bush"

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

What for? This is not a NATO caliber.

Can't they be used from a 155mm NATO gun? After all, the difference is only 3 mm.

[alone]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

Can't they be used from a 155mm NATO gun? After all, the difference is only 3 mm.

Take 5.45mm cartridges and load a 7.62mm assault rifle with these cartridges and you will understand what will come of it

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: lonely

Take 5.45mm cartridges and load a 7.62mm assault rifle with these cartridges and you will understand what will come of it

In the machine gun, the striker will not hit the capsule, in the 155-152 mm sau there is a huge capsule and it is unlikely that 3 mm will change anything.

[Anatole Klim]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

it is unlikely that 3 mm will change anything.

Oh, I'll try to explain, of course, a 152 mm projectile will fit into a 155 mm caliber, but:
1. A gap of 3 mm is catastrophic, a breakthrough of powder gases will occur when fired through these 3 mm and the projectile will not pick up the desired speed in the barrel and fall at a short distance from the barrel cut
2. The guns are rifled, and the leading belts of the 152 mm projectile will not enter the rifling of the 155 mm gun and the projectile will not spin in the barrel and fly somersault, since it will not be stabilized by rotation
3. The degree of fuse protection will not be removed, since there is no required projectile speed and there is no rotation, the projectile will simply fall and not explode
4. The propellant charge (powder case) has a different size, it can be longer - the shutter will not close or shorter - the striker simply will not reach the igniter capsule,
So offhand and on the fingers tried to explain

[Pereira]

This should be enough for a junior lieutenant.

[Region-25.rus]

Take 5.45mm cartridges and load a 7.62mm assault rifle with these cartridges and you will understand what will come of it

generation EG .... what is obturation and internal / external ballistics .. well, this is at the level of Fermat's theorem (by the way, what is it?)

[dauria]

at the level of Fermat's theorem (by the way, what is it?)

And this is a seemingly simple equation, though with a caveat for positive integers. Like, there are no integers A ,B, C , m for which A to the power of m + B to the power of m = C to the power of m, if m is greater than two. Our school mathematician Dolzhenko Valentina Alexandrovna told about her back in the 70s.
The intrigue was that Fermat himself allegedly wrote that the proof is so simple that it is not worth writing down here.
It looks simple, but they fought with proof right up to the end of the 20th century. And even then there are such abstruse sections of mathematics, so many auxiliary theorems have been proved that it is better for our brother not to meddle. Some Englishman proved that he spent half his life on this. True Sir his queen made.

[Fedor M]

Let's remember the domestic and mortars of Germany 81 mm and our 82 mm

[Ingenegr]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

After all, the difference is only 3 mm.

The difference is TOTAL 3 mm.

[Palladin]

Are you serious?

[carpenter]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

What for? This is not a NATO caliber.

All true.

[Lisa90]

I do not understand!!! Where are the SANCTIONS against those countries that supply Ukraine with weapons??????? So it will all fly to us !!

[Kerensky]

So it will all fly to us !!

Lisa! I beg of you! They would be loaded into the wagon for a start ...
Fly there. Now, if they start transferring nuclei, then those have more chances.

[marat2016]

during 2014 Russia transferred 2,036 units to Ukraine. weapons and equipment. “During 2014, 2,036 thousand units were transferred from the occupied territory of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea. weapons and military equipment, namely: rocket and artillery weapons - 120 units; armored vehicles - 128 units; automotive equipment 1788 units. In particular, more than 40 units. aircraft (including An-26, MiG-29, MiG-29UB, L-39M1), two Mi-8 helicopters, about 8 units of radar systems (radar P-37, radar 79K6, radar 19Zh6, radar 5N84A, radar P- eighteen ) ".

[Sasha from Uralmash]

Czechs eternal memory to you! We will not forget your concern for Svidomo!

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Sasha from Uralmash

We will not forget your concern for Svidomo!

And your help to the Nazis
Until the very surrender of Germany, they made weapons for them
During the entire war, not one act of sabotage

[Region-25.rus]

Czechs eternal memory to you!

what does the Czech people have to do with it? Talk about the Czech state!

[Palladin]

And what kind of people live in the Czech state?

[Rusticolus]

Czechs in their repertoire. They are no strangers to supplying fascists of all stripes with ammunition.

[Sands Careers General]

Wangyu large badaboom in one or more RAV warehouses

[Seryoga64]

Quote: General of the Sand Quarries

badabum in one or more RAV warehouses

And again they will look for Petrov and Basharov

[Xenofont]

The Czech Ministry of Internal Affairs asked the government for investigation materials on the explosions of warehouses, and they replied that they accidentally destroyed them! It seems that the brainless merge, they want to hush up their provocation with such a trick.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Xenofont

they want to hush up their provocation with such a trick.

But Russia is still to blame

[Mountain shooter]

I hope the item is expired. Then the probability of "self-liquidation" of Ukrainian artillery increases significantly.

[svoit]

They didn't say anything about Dana in Ukraine

[datur]

152 mm - democracy - from the democrats of Europe !!!

[priboy57]

Czechs in both world wars were MATCHES with which they were set on fire.

[impostor]

Here the Mayor of Kuyevsky hit himself in the chest with his heel - they say, in case of aggression, I will take a machine gun in my hands ... judging by the way he treats the great - I wang the new champagne "Widow Klitschko".

[Pavel57]

Quote: Paul episkop

Spring is coming soon, and with it a fire in some warehouse where the shells will be stored) will either be sold to the left, or only a part will reach the army

Not all 152mm shells burned out earlier ..

[marchcat]

this step fits into a set of measures aimed at “supporting democracy”

In my opinion, such support looks like pouring gasoline on the fire. More like nothing to support this most notorious democracy???

[agond]

Quote: marchcat

In my opinion, such support looks like pouring gasoline on the fire. More like nothing to support this most notorious democracy???

Meanwhile, both the Czech Republic and Ukraine need our gas.

[svoit]

2A65, 2A36 and D-20 (towed).

Someone forgot Msta-B
https://korrespondent.net/ukraine/4442101-vsu-provely-u-kryma-artylleryiskye-uchenyia
That's for them shells and brought up

[Voenoboz]

Apparently the Germans had no idea who the Czechs and Poles were.

[Tochilka]

Purely amateurish question.
4000 shells is how many boxes? And how many wagons will they need?
And why do they need only 404 pallets? Are pallets reusable?

[Pavel episkop]

In one box - 1 pc.
The weight of one box is about 70-80 kg. Approximately 8 boxes in height for 12 rows (about 100 boxes in the car) It is possible more, but there the security measures did not allow us to..

[Tochilka]

Thank you for your reply.

[Ronino]

So again the warehouses will burn and explode ...

[AC130 Gunship]

The Czechs, in fact, on the one hand put a tick in front of the big brother, that, like, yes, they helped. On the other hand, they did not spend taxpayers' money. Give away what you no longer need. The Czechs are not Bryansk. Although they are Slavs, they are the center of Europe. And their head works the same way as their other neighbors

[demo]

As stated on the website of the Czech Ministry of Defense, this step fits into a set of measures aimed at "supporting democracy" in the independent.
Yeah!
Democracy will grow stronger and flourish.
The Czechs should be warned that in the future a similar situation may arise when it is necessary to "strengthen democracy" in the Czech Republic (this cannot be ruled out?).
So that later they do not vote with a bad voice.

[iouris]

original explanation. I wonder who is the final purchaser, who will be killed by these shells?

[Sergey Kulikov_3]

If the Czechs could think, they would have thought that these shells could fly to the Czech Republic, the world is so unpredictable ...

[sen]

“152-mm ammunition will not be needed by the Czech Republic”: the Ministry of Defense of the country explained the reasons for the transfer of shells to Ukraine

But the Czech Republic owes a lot to Russia. During the uprising of prisoners of the Czechoslovak Corps in 1918, they stole Russian gold.

[Altmann]

I am a Czech and hundreds of thousands of us do not agree with the gift of ammunition for Ukraine. Nobody asked us. I want to believe that Putin knows what he is doing. But boys, hold on, we're with you. Our politicians are really stupid.