It became known that the front part of the MiG-31 fighter that rolled out of the runway was torn off

Details related to the incident that occurred in the Novgorod region appeared on the network. We are talking about the MiG-31 aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces, which, as previously reported, rolled out of the runway. Information about the incident was confirmed by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. At the same time, it was initially reported that the aircraft did not receive significant damage and would be able to take off after the elimination of technical malfunctions.

However, the photos that appeared on the network give reason to doubt the words about the absence of significant damage. On the published frame, you can see that the front part - the cockpit - is literally torn off from the fighter-interceptor.

It is difficult to say how long it may take to restore this aircraft, and how much after such restoration (if it is possible at all) the aircraft can be operated at planned loads.

Link to photo posted Colonel Cassad in your blog

A commission of the Russian Aerospace Forces is working at the scene of the incident, investigating the cause of what happened to the MiG-31 during an attempt to take off.

Comments

[The leader of the Redskins]

Well, if these damages are "minor", then my fourteen-year-old car is like it just came off the assembly line!

[Thrifty]

The leader of the Redskins - Igor, and why did your car stand on the continent for 14 years? Go manually, did you collect it on even Fridays of the month?

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Leader of the Redskins, your 14 year old car was assembled on an assembly line, only at Easter and Christmas. Almost virgin. But it will serve you for a long time. My hand is light. Checked many times. Even the wife is jealous.

[Popandos]

Unbeaten, unpainted.
Tomorrow on Avito.

[Starover_Z]

Quote: Popandos

Unbeaten, unpainted.
Tomorrow on Avito.

So restore and roll the staff on holidays times

confirmed by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. At the same time, it was initially reported that the aircraft did not receive significant damage and would be able to take off after the elimination of technical malfunctions.

Ahhh, actually, yes, they promised that it would rise into the air, but it was not indicated that it would sit down.

[Vasia]

Quote: Popandos

Unbeaten, unpainted.
Tomorrow on Avito.

Unpainted, unbeaten.
Tomorrow on Avito.

Sounds so much better imha

[Real Pilot]

The main thing - what about the crew? Not a word about it...
The plane is a pity, but the pilots are more important!
The photo makes them worry.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: RealPilot

The main thing - what about the crew? ...The photo makes them worry.

Got away with scratches, luckily. A classmate died in a similar situation... Information about the incident will be released on Monday.
The plane is a pity, minus one ranger

[Timon2155]

What renovation!? One glance is enough to understand - on the metal! I think that the engines are also deformed from impacts - the attachment points “left” with a high probability.

[Aag]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Well, if these damages are "minor", then my fourteen-year-old car is like it just came off the assembly line!

Oh, they will downvote! Come on, - to the Uzbeks (Chinese), - they will do it, - sell it!
... Of course, it's not funny at all ... But that's how we live (listening about the Russian World) ...
What about the crew?
Not special. aviation, air defense-off (yes, you can say, not special at all!), But I don’t understand where we are without the 31s (I don’t see a replacement) ...

[Thrifty]

Most likely to be written off. It is unlikely that they will restore, too difficult and expensive. sorry plane...

[Andrey Moskvin]

I think so. With such damage, even after repair, withstand the loads that are put on this machine ...

[Incvizitor]

For good, it’s high time for them to prepare a replacement, no matter how good they are.

[neurostimulator]

You have no idea at all about the MIG-31 aircraft, or about its history, or about the type of these aircraft.
I'll ask you a leading question - look at the lineup of similar aircraft in the USA and try to think about what you see and read.

[Incvizitor]

How many new ones will be developed to replace, test, establish production, even if we start now, how many years old will be before the new series? 60-70?

[neurostimulator]

It looks like you are right. But changing and starting to develop a replacement are two different things. That's why I didn't agree with you last time.

[Vitaly.17]

Quote: Thrifty

Most likely to be written off

After troubleshooting, 70 - 80% of the equipment will go to spare parts. The main pilots are intact.

[YOUR]

There is nothing to restore and try. It's like building a new one. The costs are the same, but the quality is questionable. You can’t straighten the body or wings like on a car, you can’t smear it with putty. All under replacement. And there is no replacement and is not expected.

[bk316]

It's not even expensive here.
1. Well, it’s very difficult, there is one flaw detection for months, and it’s not a fact that you will find all hidden defects.
2. And how to fix it? Production has been discontinued for a long time. Only cannibalize other cars. It's better to let this one go for spare parts

[Pavel57]

More like a canceled plane.

[fa2998]

It is "they" who crash "imperfect Penguins", and in our country those mastered in production for decades can only "roll out" from the runway.
The plane is a pity, as we are building-units, any loss is a blow to the Air Force (VKS)

[Alexander 3]

If this incident is a rejected takeoff, then there may be significant damage when the aircraft rolls out of the runway.

[210ox]

Can they? You look at the photo.

[Tomcat_Tomcat]

Quote: Alexander 3

there may be significant damage

you look at the photo. The plane not only broke up, but, as people familiar with the topic say, it also burned.

With such damage to the aircraft, as a rule, it cannot be restored. It's a pity, of course, but a fact. Even the magic blue electrical tape will not help here.

[AndreyS]

Quote from Tomcat_Tomcat

you look at the photo. The plane not only broke up, but, as people familiar with the topic say, it also burned

And you, dear, please take an interest in comrades familiar with the topic, does this photo raise any questions for them?

Quote from Tomcat_Tomcat

We are talking about the MiG-31 aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces, which, as previously reported, rolled out of the runway.

In my opinion, in the photo the plane does not look like it rolled out of the runway. Could all three landing gear have collapsed at the same time?

[pogis]

Even scotch tape will not help here, but the stupid and senseless lies of the Moscow Region in the age of the Internet are amazing!

[Ros 56]

Well, what a restoration, it's already scrap metal.

[fa2998]

Do not panic! We now have STABILITY in our country - instead of explosions, pops. And they crashed the plane into the trash, it just rolled out beyond the GDP. The main thing is peace!

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: fa2998

instead of explosions, pops

And as Gunzburg said, he is not sick with Covid, but simply infected!

[Serg Kam]

The press service of the Ministry of Defense, alas, lives in the past century.
I understand, of course, that they try to downplay any incident, like everything is fine with us and there are no problems ...
But it's real, the 21st century - a bunch of cameras, developed communications - and still everything secret becomes clear. And the press service once again proves that it cannot be trusted...

[Fitter65]

Quote: SergKam

But it's real, the 21st century - a bunch of cameras, developed communications - and still everything secret becomes clear. And the press service once again proves that it cannot be trusted...

The press service, oddly enough, does not report directly from the scene. She announces what she was given. And as always at first, someone who did not understand the situation blurted out one thing, another who did not check immediately began to report that everything was fine, "but there is one nuance" ... They told the press service - say that everything is fine, - not knowing what -there for the "nuance", but someone for this very "nuance" will soon have a pale appearance and a pasta walk ... We served.

[210ox]

Yet in the end it will come down to perverted sex. Someone will put it in. They'll figure it out without cameras

[lucul]

But it's real, the 21st century - a bunch of cameras, developed communications - and still everything secret becomes clear.

Uh-huh, according to Poroshenko, 200 Russian armies, in the Donbass, have been fighting with might and main for 000 years, but they just can’t get caught on cameras.)))

[Flanker692]

All it takes is a little effort to find what you're looking for.

here is the most famous "camera hit", and is famous for the fact that it was filmed not by the BBC or CNN, but by Russia 1. Incompetence, incompetence. If it is clear with journalists (although they seem to be military journalists), then how can a person call himself the Minister of Defense of the DPR and, standing right on the tank, invent about foreign modernization? Which of the Ukrainian tanks or upgrades could this vehicle be? Answer: none and none. This is not T-64BV, not T-72 model 1989, and these are not modernized T-64B1M, T-72UMG. This is the Russian T-72B3 mod. 2011. This is indicated primarily, oddly enough, by the very "inscriptions in English". The second-generation thermal imaging channel Catherine FC (Catherine FC) from THALES is hidden there as part of the Sosna-U sight. In 2009, Rostec signed a contract with the French (the Mistral deal from the same opera) for the purchase of several hundred kits for the first tanks (this one of them) with subsequent independent licensed production. Maybe just a military supply? Again, we return to the then Minister of the DPR: you seem to be the Minister of Defense, but you don’t know where and when your tanks were used and you don’t even know what they looked like? Either he is not quite a distant person, or some third parties drove the T-72B3 into the combat zone.
PS Full of other photos and videos single and in columns, intact and destroyed B3 arr. 2011. But there is also a dossier on the T-90A, whose welded turret cannot be confused with anything at all. Could the Defense Ministry have entrusted the Donbass militias with relatively modern vehicles? Judging by their Minister of Defense, no.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

I will surprise you - dial the T-72 UMG on the network and you will understand that this is the Ukrainian version of the T-72 modernization, the twin brother of the Russian version of the T-72B3.

Ukrainian tanks in Turkmenistan -

Here he is a handsome man, well, did you find many differences from the T-72B3?

[Flanker692]

Everything is clear. At the tank in the report:
1) there is no remotely controlled machine gun mount, but there is a commander’s hatch of a new form and with armored glass, like the T-72B3, while the T-72UMG, on the contrary, has a remote control (the sight of this system is noticeable in your own photo) with an old hatch;
2) tracks of a new model with a parallel hinge to improve performance, the same as on the T-90A and beyond, for the T-72UMG they are old Soviet-style;
3) the location of the smoke mortars is typical for the T-72B3 (everything is on the left side, on the right there are Cactus dynamic protection units), and not like the T-72UMG - on both sides without additional dynamic protection modules;
4) there are no dynamic protection plates on the side in front (the T-72B3 model 2011 did not have them, they began to appear on later B3s), but the T-72UMG has them;
4) to the left of the barrel casing there is a weakened zone without Contact-5 modules (it went back to the T-72B mod. 1989: they didn’t bother and come up with a custom-sized remote sensing block that would close the gap in the forehead, they fixed it only on the T-72B3 mod. 2016), while the T-72UMG did this and there blocks of non-standard size stood up immediately;
5) well, to fix it: there is a Tales thermal imager, but the T-72UMG did not have it, there is a usual night gunner's sight TPN-4 there. In Ukraine in 2014 there was no T-72 with thermal imagers, neither in the Czech, nor in the Polish, nor in the Moldavian, nor in any other modernization.
All this can be seen even without trying to climb anywhere, but simply from your own photo, where are you looking?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

I will surprise you - dial the T-72 UMG on the network and you will understand that this is the Ukrainian version of the T-72 modernization, the twin brother of the Russian version of the T-72B3.

The Ukrainians have a different design of the gunner's sight.
T-72B3 gives out the location of the equipment at the gunner-operator's site, in particular, the "Thales" unit (on video from 0:28 to 0:38). It completely coincides with the well-known photos of the insides of the tank from the exhibition - right down to the blue tourniquet.

Plus photos 06 and 15 from the article about the T-72B3 in VO:
https://topwar.ru/35631-t-72b3chto-eto-za-zver-chast-1.html

Damn, well, they would have filmed the tank from the outside - why climb inside, and even with close-ups.

[svoroponov]

Don't talk nonsense. Stripes on the front - for identification that Ukrainian. And the modernization of these tanks was carried out with the help of the Czech Republic and Poland, well, the Israelis also helped. Yes, and in Ukraine, because the former Soviet and the same type, they copy so as not to bother with protection like the Russians.

[Flanker692]

apart from stripes from Ukrainian tanks, there is nothing else there (I wrote above). in 2014, in the battles for Ilovaisk, this is not the first T-72B3. From all angles, whole and not, they came across lenses regularly. This particular one was abandoned by the crew and credited by the Ukrainians (below is their photo in comparison with the report). In the same place, they safely lost it, and returned already with parallel stripes. Once again: either this is a brilliant operation of forgery by the special services of Ukraine, which I do not believe in, or this is the T-72B3 mod. 2011 of a difficult military fate.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: svoroponov

Don't talk nonsense. Stripes on the front - for identification that Ukrainian.

This is the second capture of the tank.
The first time it was trophied by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, after which stripes were applied. And then they lost it, moreover, having composed a sentimental story about an unequal battle, numerous losses of the enemy and severe damage to the tank, due to which it was abandoned by the crew.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: SergKam

And the press service once again proves that it cannot be trusted.

Psaki is also a press service. Each department has its own press service. And she only says what is brought to her

[Astra55]

There was a time before the internet and cell phones...
In flight, there was a problem with the engine, it failed.
The commander picks up the phone: "Do not connect anyone to long-distance communications."
The informers rushed to call, to report to whom it was necessary and not necessary, and then such a bummer ...
Landed, sorted out, everything is fine.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Astra55

The commander picks up the phone: "Do not connect anyone to long-distance communications."

It's smart not to say anything. And our crew brought instructions to the hospital: read, they will come from the Army in the morning ....

[faiver]

Well, actually, nothing surprising, the last MiG-31 was released 28 years ago, nothing lasts forever in this life, and even more so an aircraft that is operated in very extreme conditions ...

[Maluck]

If it's not fake, then just write it off ....

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Maluck

If it's not fake, then just write it off

In the morning on VO there was infa that the navigator was thrown out of the cockpit

[Dva parovoza]

Can't you link? Or did my friend's uncle's cousin's mom tell me?

[Seryoga64]

Quote: DvaParovoza

Can't you link?

Have you read carefully?
Tell me how to find old branches and I will give you a link.
I don't know how to find morning branches

[Dva parovoza]

Well, let's start with the fact that there was no official information, and if we started talking about branches in the chat, this is "my friend's uncle's mother's mother told" ... And yes, I read carefully: "In the morning there were infa on VO" . I looked through all the news - I did not find any information. What else, upon careful reading, should push me to the Old?

[Seryoga64]

Quote: DvaParovoza

Well, let's start with the fact that there was no official information

And where did I say that this is official info?
Remind

In the morning on VO there were infa,

I insisted that this is the truth?

[Dva parovoza]

If you wrote about chat on VO, this is one thing. But infa on VO is perceived as material from VO, and not a pistezh in chat.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: DvaParovoza

But infa on VO is perceived

So how do I know how you perceive something
Nobody complained except you.
People really understood what I said

[Dva parovoza]

Well, apparently, apart from me, no one was interested in what happened to the navigator. Or people also didn’t find anything at the address on VO.

[Seryoga64]

Once again and for the last time I repeat, I just said what I read on the SITE IN

[Dva parovoza]

Well, yes. It's like:
- Where do such fish bite?
- In a river.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: DvaParovoza

- Where do such fish bite?
- In a river.

And I take the information from the site.

[Dva parovoza]

Well done, keep going. Best wishes.

[Dva parovoza]

Everything. We drove.

[Seryoga64]

Well, I finally left...

[Dva parovoza]

You're so clever. I'm proud of you. I would like that.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: DvaParovoza

You're so clever.

Aha

I'm proud of you

I would like that.

Try to

[Dva parovoza]

I try, it doesn't work. Not that scale.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: DvaParovoza

Can't you link? Or did my friend's uncle's cousin's mom tell me?

https://topwar.ru/191707-pod-novgorodom-mig-31-vykatilsja-za-predely-vzletno-posadochnoj-polosy.html

[Bez 310]

The plane was lost, there is no doubt about it.
But how did they manage to tear off the cab on rolling out?
Of course, in flight there are no limits to improvement, and we have already seen the Su-34 rolled over while rolling out, but there is something special here ...

[Maxim G]

Is the glider tired?
They are older than the priest's dog.

[75 Sergey]

Well, judging by the photo - a scribe to a kitten! Under write-off!
I wonder if anyone will be forced to pay for this?! My opinion is that it is necessary to punish severely, but not to hang up the debt yoke, the military always walk on the edge of a knife.

[Denis812]

And what does it mean to "severely punish" but not force to pay?
How else can you "severely punish"?
Shoot?

[75 Sergey]

Well, a lot of things - to send, take away, deprive, exile, commit acts of a sexual nature to -t, lower, etc., at worst, just drive out of the Army to a civilian.

[Denis812]

and how all that you have listed will help to restore the damage?
I don't think so.
Therefore, let him pay.
If guilty, of course.

[75 Sergey]

Yes, fucking loaf, they perform circus numbers every day, these are stuntmen, they risk their lives, and without this one cannot become an ace!

[Astra55]

And for me, a pilot (technician, navigator) should not pay hundreds of millions, even if he is guilty of everything, but through negligence or without malicious intent. He has such a work on complex expensive equipment. Lose bonuses, fine a couple of salaries - that's enough.
Otherwise, it is necessary to pay a salary, then not 50 thousand rubles, but $ 100, then the material responsibility can be FULL.

[Denis812]

Well, yes, that is, to blame for everything, in your words, in the destruction of equipment worth a billion rubles, and let him not pay? Do we pay?
Normal topic.
Why is this so?
And let me burn the object handed to me and the citizens will pay.
Well, here's your logic.
Can not be so.
The military are not special people. They didn’t put you on a plane by force, but sat down - smashed you - pay!

[Astra55]

And let me burn the object handed to me

Let's. On the face of malicious intent, expressed in a public demonstration of intentions on the Internet. In this case, full financial responsibility.
And how do you see that the honored general in the parking lot folded the chassis by mistake? I just mixed up the levers, they are close and similar. Career, orders, medals, pension - derailed, hello prisoner and a debt to the state for hundreds of millions that grandchildren will still have to. / names, titles for memory, if you want, google for sure /
That's how I got it...

[Maxim G]

It is necessary to punish, but not these flyers that were sitting in the cockpit, first of all ....

[75 Sergey]

Keep

[bk316]

Lose a bonus, a fine a couple of salaries - that's enough

Not enough, it is necessary to decide whether he can continue to work in aviation.
If not, a kick in the ass.
Well, actually, I’ll reveal a secret that’s how they act with pilots in the Civil Aviation (maybe in the Aerospace Forces too - I don’t know), not out of malice, just not everyone is fit for flight work. Well, gouging technicians must be driven immediately. I have such an acquaintance, at one time he almost burned a carcass in a ball - they kicked him out, he works as a supply manager in my office, as he was gouging, he remained.

[Vadim237]

Yesterday, the Mi 8 lost today the MiG 31BM, what will happen tomorrow - the activity of use has increased and non-combat losses immediately soared.

[75 Sergey]

Retribution for past years and present. The country was put on cancer and aircraft and equipment were not updated in a timely manner, military flight schools were optimized, institutes, laboratories, design bureaus were optimized, specialists were not just sent to retire, but monuments were already erected to them, but the shift was not grown up, the cut of the budget continues, and etc. people like...

[Osipov9391]

How was this shift not brought up? And athletes for the Sochi Olympics for $ 50 billion, football players for the World Cup who were paid one million Euros a month, the most expensive overseas coaches for them - everything is for the "front and victory."
The issue of training crew members for strategic and military transport aviation is already very acute. Also anti-submarine. These are navigators, gunners, radio operators, flight engineers, electronic warfare and weapons operators.
As I understand it, there is no longer a single educational institution in the country that would prepare them and they have to be prepared on the spot ... from ground technical staff! Which, mind you, not like in pre-Serdyukov times was almost purely a professional officer, but now consisting of contract sergeants or even yesterday's conscripts. Without any education.

Therefore, it is not surprising that incident after incident. And it will get worse.

[Pete mitchell]

On the 31st, at least the crew was not injured, but the 8th Vyazemskaya did not fall well: there one "left" and one heavy - good luck to him and recovery.
They began to fly more actively - it happens ... And by the way, this is not BM ...

[3ngelchen]

This is not 31 BM, but 31 K.

[lukewarm]

How to distinguish K from BM? I can only hang a rocket.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: unwillingly

How to distinguish K from BM?

Bearers of Daggers that Kshek or Ishek will most likely have a “clear wing”; interceptors still have pylons installed there Well, if only from external differences ...

[lukewarm]

Hello. Thanks. Most likely so.

[Pete mitchell]

It’s important for carriers to ensure launch conditions, and the rest is secondary ... we’ll take an interest on occasion

[Timon2155]

Punish - no doubt. Who served in the army, will not lie

[75 Sergey]

As long as it's not big money.

[impostor]

Crew from Savasleyka rolled out in Soltsy

[Osipov9391]

The aircraft will be written off - its restoration is inexpedient and impossible.
The power set of the glider led, cable routes and pipelines were torn. Deformation of the fuselage elements. He can no longer fly.
Maybe as a static copy or a training manual and could be after repair, but it will not be allowed to fly.
There is nothing surprising here - the car has not been produced for 30 years and the plant that produced it lies on its side.
Components, including engines, have not been made since at least the mid-90s. And the stocks made earlier ended.
Oh yes, I forgot that the youngest cars, which are 28 years old, are the MiG-31M, which were made by about a dozen and there are not a single one in service. Purely like an experimental aircraft.

And in the old days, for example, in the 2000s, there was a storage base for these aircraft at 514 ARZ in Rzhev, and then they all went for scrap.
Someone amassed a fortune on precious metals and titanium.

[Dikson]

It’s good that it didn’t catch fire, and thanks for not exploding ... "minor damage" .. - the song about the beautiful marquise is remembered ..

[neurostimulator]

I already wrote about this once, about five years ago, though not here. The fact that on the MIG-31 "reliable Soviet analog devices" (this is a quote with which I completely agree) cannot be indiscriminately changed to non-Soviet electronics - the result will not be the one that everyone is waiting for. I also wrote about the need to start reviving our domestic element base, moreover, at an accelerated pace.
Maybe this time, and not in this, but ... the time is coming when, in the end, spring will show where and whose snowdrops have been all this time. I guess not to get smeared - it will not be possible.

[Osipov9391]

You're right. With the domestic element base, the trouble is so trouble. You also need to learn how to make your own color LCD matrices for aviation displays. While Japanese and Korean prevail.
And as for the non-Soviet on the Soviet plane, then the correct judgment. Such an aircraft as the Yak-130, in principle, has the cockpit equipment that is due to its age.
But the MiG-31 should have what it needs. He was supposed to. But the problem is that they don't do that anymore. They haven't done it for over 25 years!
For example, the KIP-88 device that shows the speed and temperature of the engines on the MiG-31 is already a distant history from the beginning of the 90s. Not made, there is no replacement. The stock has run out. Or was stolen by lovers of palladium potentiometers.
The checkpoint device that performs the function of the artificial horizon on the MiG-31 was generally produced in Belarus and has not been done for a long time, about 30 years ago. It was replaced in production with another IKP-81 device (see photo of the MiG-31M cockpit, blue one) which has also not been produced in Belarus for a long time due to a lack of orders for more than 15 years.

Therefore, for the repair and maintenance of flying machines, all this and another matter is taken from non-flying donors. But that doesn't solve the problem.

[75 Sergey]

Unfortunately, many do not understand this, that if we want to be, then we, like Pavkam Karchagin, need to restore everything using Stakhanov’s methods, optimizing the profits of individuals and directing these funds to science, education, training, research institutes, the purchase of high-precision equipment and technologies through tenth hands, intelligence, etc. Everything is needed now!

[Osipov9391]

Everything is not easy in today's state. Many things could be done by private traders. Massively and cheaply - to the troops, to the civilian market and for export.
But the state forbids it. The monopoly of KRET and Rostec on everything. They do it for kickbacks.
And if a private trader wants to, he will need to get a dozen licenses. And the requirements for it will be the same as for a state corporation, even if we are talking about the production of helmets and masks, for example. And he will not be allowed to sell these products anywhere except for the State Defense Order, even if he wins the tender, then even the equipment and production lines will not be allowed to be used for anything else.
And who needs it like that?
What can the state do for itself? Well, the Nizhny Novgorod "Heat exchanger" makes ZSh-7 pots for 150-200 thousand rubles per unit according to the State Defense Order. For kickbacks of course.
And the Indians are even told that these helmets were sold cheaper.

Although such things (there are in many countries of the world) could also be done by a private trader. And not alone. And not just the state-monopoly. To have healthy competition.
The private trader will have a design idea to earn and develop.
And these KRETs, Rostecs and other financial pyramids have nothing for a long time. In terms of ideas. There, for kickbacks at fabulous prices, they sell Soviet-designed military products to the military.
And for the civilian market, well, for the same civil aviation, they do nothing. What they are doing is again designed for state purchases for kickbacks.

Not a single airline, as I think, will buy a watch for 466 thousand rubles for the Tu-214. That is why they put all these cars on a joke, even with minor breakdowns, buying used Boeings, on which everything is still available and cheaper.

In general, now we are witnessing the decline of our aviation.

[dauria]

Well, the Nizhny Novgorod "Heat exchanger" makes ZSh-7 pots for 150-200 thousand rubles per unit according to the State Defense Order.

"Heat exchanger" has not been state-owned for a long time. The plant, unique throughout the country, which made the most complex aviation stuffing, was privatized in 92 according to the "second option". In the sense - the state scat nafig, pure AO. They simply treated the hard workers "How many vouchers do you have? Well, write - I order so many shares." "Forgetting" to explain that you can order as much as you want. Then they were "honestly" divided in proportion from those ordered. As a result, the management has a controlling stake, and in addition, the hard workers who quit were persistently "asked" to sell their unfortunate shares (which no one had in their hands. Somewhere some vague lists)
Then all the machine operators were such "experts" in the stock markets.

[neurostimulator]

Then all the machine operators were such "experts" in the stock markets.

That is why production did not limp then, as it does today ... In the 90s, the whole country was declared a wild territory, and we were animals, ... as a result, in the stock markets, no one really understands anything, but here is the former competence almost completely lost...
You raised a topic for a separate article.

[75 Sergey]

yes, according to this scheme, almost all enterprises left, take the same MSM-5 CJSC

[75 Sergey]

In the furnace of private traders!
Private traders can only, and should, do something at the level of light industry. The military-industrial complex is a strategic enterprise.

[Osipov9391]

And what are they for strategic purposes? The same Orekhovskiy "Respirator" that makes breathing equipment for aviation seems to be part of Rostec. But this is a huge plant designed for mass production.
Let's say he has to make 5000 oxygen masks a year.
And how many VKS actually consume these masks and order them there? Well, let 100 a year, no more.
Therefore, the enterprise (or line) will be unprofitable with such volumes of production.
And according to the law, apart from these same 100 masks, they will not be able to do anything else. And they could make 5000 a year, but it is not necessary.

[neurostimulator]

Therefore, the enterprise (or line) will be unprofitable with such volumes of production.

Right.

[neurostimulator]

Wrong, dvoShnik, moreover, in several subjects at once, including economics ... but I wrote the word correctly, in your case - without errors.

[neurostimulator]

And these KRETs, Rostecs and other financial pyramids have nothing for a long time.

Right.

[neurostimulator]

In general, now we are witnessing the decline of our aviation.

Right. Or rather, witnessing the decline of the remnants of basic Soviet technologies.
The issue is broader and concerns not only aviation.

[Osipov9391]

Let's imagine this. The plant (or its workshop) is designed to produce 5000 masks per year. And the equipment and people for this and the area is there.
But in fact, the plant makes 100 masks per year under the State Contracts of the Ministry of Defense with kickbacks and another 100 masks per year for export to India without kickbacks.
And the people who make these masks, and the equipment and areas are no longer involved in anything and are not used in any way - this is the technological chain.
The cost of production of the KM-35M product is about 10000 rubles.
But it will go to its native Army at a price of 60000 rubles apiece, and to the Indians at 50000 rubles apiece without kickbacks.

Therefore, the selling price depends on the volume of production. The plant needs to somehow live, pay for electricity, heating, taxes, etc. equally on how many of these masks they have produced.

But somewhere, a private trader may also appear who would make these masks for export and under the state defense order at the minimum cost - people, equipment and space from a private trader are always comparable to orders. For 7000 rubles apiece without kickbacks
Only they won’t give it to him - they will ask him to buy a dozen licenses, get a military acceptance and the same conditions as in a state corporation, which is impossible and unnecessary for small businesses.

Because we have such expensive military / aviation products. Because KRET/Rostec has a monopoly on everything. And the design idea does not live there - it is not necessary. They sell Soviet products, get kickbacks, and everyone is happy with everything.
And while such a defect will be development will not go. It will go the other way around.

[neurostimulator]

The plant needs to live somehow ...

So he lives "somehow" and not as he should, and he copes with this quite well even without private traders. You refuse to understand what is being written here and wishful thinking... You are not from my battalion.

[maksbazhin]

Wrong arithmetic, the factory in serial production has a cost of 10 thousand, and a private trader will make 200 pieces in hand-to-hand seven? That doesn't happen. Or do you include kickbacks in the cost price?

[Osipov9391]

Rollbacks are possible there, but this is a separate issue. Suppose a factory (designed for 5000 products per year) employs 100 people, and the area is 2000 sq.m. All this must be contained. And they will give out only 200 pieces a year and do nothing else.
And the private trader employs 20 people and an area of ​​300 sq.m. With an order for 200 pieces a year, they will cope for the eyes. Less people, less space - it will be cheaper.

[maksbazhin]

You do not understand the word cost and do not represent the difference between mass and single production. The cost of a small-scale mask will be higher, perhaps at times. But further counting: for example, 200 masks even at 20 will be cheaper than keeping an unnecessary factory for 000 masks at 5000.

[neurostimulator]

... by optimizing the profits of individuals and directing these funds to science, education, training, research institutes, the purchase of high-precision equipment and technologies through tenth hands, intelligence, etc.

Think globally, I really hope to catch the day when it will be so.

[neurostimulator]

But that doesn't solve the problem.

This aggravates it to a state of complete non-combat readiness, i.e. not even as a percentage.

[Dva parovoza]

This body is only for organs...

[Genry]

Yeah
A visual fantasy comes to mind: how the plane "goats" on landing, breaks off its legs and breaks along the front pillar - this is the place of the navigator, who knocks up and forward with the chair, then the back part catches up with the nose.

Is it possible to restore this aircraft - everything is possible (stainless steel welds perfectly), but how profitable, it can be easier to take and revive from the sump.

[faiver]

it may be easier to take and revive from the sump.

- this is if there is something to take in the sump ...

[Skipper]

If this is an old MiG-31, then this is the norm for such a period of time, a single accident, and without consequences and victims - it’s just that the design has had a weak spot over so many years and crawled out. And if this is a MiG-31BM modernized already in the 10s, then this is another matter ... although the airframe is old.

[Sasha from Uralmash]

I feel sorry for the bird!

[Sergey39]

Yes! Mechanics, I'll have to try!)))

[alone]

Quote: Sergey39

Yes! Mechanics, I'll have to try!)))

There is no need to try! For scrap only

[moreman78]

And so the planes - with a gulkin nose, so now also MINUS BOARD ... No words ..

[Glagol1]

Sorry board. Recovery is not possible. Of course, no reason is given...

[Volzhanin64]

The F35 that fell into the sea looks much better and it will most likely be restored if they do not get it out of the depths for a long time. But our MIG31 with a photo is most likely suitable for a museum

[alexey sidykin]

Quote: Volzhanin64

The F35 that fell into the sea looks much better and it will most likely be restored if they do not get it out of the depths for a long time. But our MIG31 with a photo is most likely suitable for a museum

Where is it visible, At the bottom of the sea?

[akarfoxhound]

Hit (presumably) a piece of ice from the runway into the engine on takeoff in afterburner. (for comparison, a pebble 1 cm in size takes out the shoulder blades, like a bit of teeth, if you describe it in a simple way, "in a collective farm"). A sharp shutdown of the engine with a no less sharp difference in thrust on a frozen strip (thrust of one D-30F6 - 15500), the board throws out from the take-off at breakneck speed (depending on the stage, it could be 350 km / h) and sticks the nose strut into a snowdrift, the strut folds up from impact and the MiGar hits the continent with its nose part (in world aviation there is a whole constructive line of aircraft, in which, in the absence of a front strut, in such a situation, the front part of the fuselage breaks off. That's what the crew is alive with such damage - that's what's amazing! The navigator just fell out without consequences, the FAC got out himself.

[Dikson]

Well, okay, the front strut "formed" from the impact, but what about the rear ones? Are the rear ones broken too? Was he crawling over a concrete block?

[akarfoxhound]

The frozen mass of a high parapet, ice, in fact, more than 40 tons at V = 300 km / h, longitudinal impact (the landing gear is designed for normal (as vertical is called in aviation), and not longitudinal overload, and that has limitations, otherwise the planes would have to touch not leveled. (the only aircraft that land without leveling are decks. But they all have reinforced racks without exception)
I don’t think it’s worth continuing further in the course of physics with a sopromat?
P.S. for interest, the falcon, when flying on a glide path (420-430 km / h, on a landing descent), colliding with the side section of the windshield (side !! look at what angle along the flight!) Takes out this 2 cm triplex through, like a projectile

[vovochkarzhevsky]

What could not help but surprise was the torn off cabin during an ordinary rollout. And it is not tedious to be very big specialists in the investigation of air crashes in order to understand that since the destruction of the structure occurred in the area of ​​​​the front pillar, then there was a strong blow to it. What in turn happens when hitting an obstacle.
Therefore, I just looked at a satellite image of this airfield. And I was never surprised that the safety lane at this end as a class is absent, as well as at the other one too.
Damn, this is not the first case when we lose equipment, and even people, just because those responsible for the condition of the airfields do not give a damn about their duties.
Is the maximum day of work of road equipment more expensive than the MiG-31?

[Maxim G]

Would it have happened if the glider hadn't been so old?

[Timon2155]

And the big shoulder straps don’t care about this - there you can roll another kilometer of soil in a week into the state of asphalt, but for some reason no one itches! But winter, this rolled and frozen soil would allow the norms to stop if necessary. But no, give them bathhouses and beer. Well, to show off with shoulder straps, to fuck the brains of subordinates. And they forget about it.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

So it was not in vain that back in the days of the USSR, we OBATO were ranked among the enemy blocks. And what is happening now in market time?

[ermak124.0]

ooooh, new classification! ordinary and extraordinary rolling out))) bravo!

[chelowick]

Are the crew alive?

[Reader 2013]

just in the photo you can clearly see the end and side safety lanes

[svoroponov]

It has a body made of titanium. Something will be replaced, the rest will be welded. How good is this plane. But in fact, he did not roll out, but made an emergency landing immediately after takeoff. Possible failure or loss of thrust of the engine or engines on takeoff. Lucky for the pilots.

[Real Pilot]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

Quote: RealPilot

The main thing - what about the crew? ...The photo makes them worry.

Got away with scratches, luckily. A classmate died in a similar situation... Information about the incident will be released on Monday.
The plane is a pity, minus one ranger

That's exactly what I'm talking about! Thank God they're alive! I know what it's like to lose friends in plane crashes... My instructor, Margarita Afanaskina, died in a helicopter. And we flew with her in the same crew, she took me to flight practice. She was the champion of Russia and Europe in helicopter sports.
I am proud of my acquaintance, but a person cannot be returned. My age, I remember with warmth and respect.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: RealPilot

I know what it's like to lose friends in plane crashes....

Each course has its own corner in the cemetery ... we will live

[silver_roman]

Is this a Bmka? or others do not fly in the videoconferencing?

[Escobar]

Considering that our VKS receive new equipment in the amount measured in pieces every year, the news is rather sad

[Redfox3k]

I would say: regular.

[Radical]

Quote: Incvizitor

For good, it’s high time for them to prepare a replacement, no matter how good they are.

Who will do it?! The MIG plant is being given away for residential development! Who will change the situation of the collapse of the technological industry in the country?!

[Maks1995]

Choto noticed: as soon as the media reports that there is an air accident in the west, so very soon we have a blunder.

Either the intrigues of the State Department and the Masons, or the media organize everything manually for heating ....))))

[svoit]

Quote from Flanker692

All it takes is a little effort to find what you're looking for.

You haven't been able to confirm.

Uh-huh, according to Poroshenko, 200 Russian armies, in the Donbass, have been fighting with might and main for 000 years, but they just can’t get caught on cameras.)))

Because the facts simply do not exist.
the main words here200 000 Russian army, in the Donbass,with might and main been fighting for 8 years
For this topic, this is offtopic of course, but there are also private messages (like) ...

[agoran]

Flight accident at the airfield Soltsy Novgorod region.
Previously, the Tu-22 regiment was based at this airfield.
The regiment was dispersed, the state of the airfield infrastructure is currently unknown.
The commission is working, the results will be brought, in the part concerning.

[Klingon]

The plane is definitely kirdyk! Even such a layman like me at first glance in the photo is clear! It's a pity! These are piece products, and given the snail's pace of production of military equipment, this is an irreparable loss, whatever one may say.

[Klingon]

Quote: Radikal

Quote: Incvizitor

For good, it’s high time for them to prepare a replacement, no matter how good they are.

Who will do it?! The MIG plant is being given away for residential development! Who will change the situation of the collapse of the technological industry in the country?!

This was further united by corporations, further optimized, by liberal managers a la Chubais and Serdyukov. Who needs to be shaken

[Osipov9391]

Where is the Sokol plant? The MiG design bureau itself has long been dying, they are not designing anything.

[Voenoboz]

Of course there is a photo, but where are the side numbers, and the lights are in place.

[Mikhail Mikhail]

And no one was surprised that the first and last photo are two different cars. Can you trust this source? Today, any sofa special can throw a duck.

[Neutron Retarded]

Not only are these two photos of the aircraft with the same destruction, but against the backdrop of a different landscape. So they are placed, as the image search suggests, initially on two resources ukr.net and censor.net.
I have no questions about "credibility".

[Horon]

With such damage to the fuselage, brighter deceleration marks should have remained. I didn't see them. The photo doesn't really inspire confidence. And with such damage to the cockpit, the pilots do not get off with minor injuries.

[Pavel57]

This is the MiG-31K from the top ten.

[Pete mitchell]

There were like only 4 of them, well, now minus one: Kshka is more of a demonstrator. And those who are now mastering it are already Ishka, the name has already flashed in the press, they are structurally a little different.
Well, the crew is intact ...

[pogis]

Dagger carrier? Well then there are 9 left.

[Real Pilot]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

Quote: RealPilot

I know what it's like to lose friends in plane crashes....

Each course has its own corner in the cemetery ... we will live

Yes sir! Will live.

I flew in a civilian flying club, on a Robinson R44 helicopter, and later on a Tecnam Sierra p2002 aircraft.
It is important that love for the sky brings people together and teaches them to appreciate. I fulfilled my dream, learned to fly...
He was associated with military aviation through work, but not through flight.

[Pete mitchell]

on the R44 I had a chance to ride behind the controls, my friend retrained the pilot of one aligarh. He rattled on a turntable for three and a half years, before the second demobilization. And I have never flown on small ones with propellers, and in general on propellers for less than six months, a "whistle" all my life.
We will definitely

[Neutron Retarded]

For me, LJ is the same source as the graffiti in the MF. We are waiting for official information. Photoshop disaster.

[Piramidon]

Most likely beyond repair.

After a similar accident, our plane was written off.

[Horon]

Doesn't it bother you that there are no signs of braking near the plane? With such damage, they should be more pronounced.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Horon

Doesn't it bother you that there are no signs of braking near the plane? With such damage, they should be more pronounced.

What are the brake marks in deep snow?

[Horon]

What are the brake marks in deep snow?

Especially in deep snow. The same force that tore off the cabin had to collect a large snowdrift in the course of braking. I have never seen that a car that flew into a ditch was in the trash, and the snow was only slightly crushed. In front of the air intakes, the collected snow is also not visible.

[Piramidon]

In pictures of this quality, there is little to understand at all. It is possible that there are some traces there, but the pictures have a solid white background. In general, no irregularities are distinguishable.

[Horon]

It is possible that there are some traces there, but the pictures show a solid white background

What I am trying to say is that it is difficult to understand whether this photo is real or fake. Judging by the condition of the cockpit, the crew could not escape with light bruises, and officially the crew was not injured. Too many questions.

[Dikson]

He most likely did not roll out, but plopped down on takeoff, not having time to rise ... probably, something went wrong during acceleration .. - if there had been a roll-out upon landing, the brake parachutes would have been released ..

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Dikson

Something went wrong while driving...

Whom did you step on?
Precisely quite not this way gone..

[Piramidon]

Quote: Dikson

if there was a roll-out upon landing, the brake parachutes would be released.

Maybe that's why it rolled out because the parachutes did not release.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Piramidon

Maybe that's why it rolled out because ...

Unfortunately, the plane died because they deviated from the standard sequence of actions ... sorry for the bird

[Piramidon]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

Unfortunately, the plane died because deviated from the standard sequence of actions...

What actions, more about this? Unless, of course, these are not your conclusions, but the real reason. So far, I have not found the results of an investigation into the causes of this accident anywhere.

[iouris]

"... arrived - gently sat down;
send parts:
fuselage and planes!"
Is it in Khotilovo?

[pafegosoff]

And what, the parachute was torn off?
Actually, what was it? Landing or aborted takeoff?

[megadeth]

To the question of "stash"? To the fighter pilot, now to his wife's question: - "Where is all the pay" ?, you can answer: - "I pay for the fighter"! And so, during combat training work, everything happens, the main thing is that people are safe ...

[Osipov9391]

What are you laughing at? In Khotilovo, with the pilot of the Su-35S, who shot down the Su-30M2 during the exercises, this is exactly what happened. He has a sick wife and two children.

[Redfox3k]

The pilot-operator in the "shirt was born." With such damage, the break point is just in the operator's cab, instant death.

[Spring fluff]

The lost MiG-31 in the Novgorod region turned out to be the carrier of the Dagger complex
https://topcor.ru/23795-poterjannyj-mig-31-v-novgorodskoj-oblasti-okazalsja-nositelem-kompleksa-kinzhal.html?yrwinfo=1643576682980825-3787765762601472928-sas3-0724-2fe-sas-l7-balancer-8080-BAL-265

[Kaufman]

purely out of interest - how is military equipment insured? They lost the plane, who compensates for the losses?

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

Airframe to be decommissioned - multiple deformations of the fuselage - violation of longitudinal ties

[Mityasha]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

Quote: RealPilot

The main thing - what about the crew? ...The photo makes them worry.

The plane is a pity, minus one ranger

You mean long distance? The fact that they fly in Soltsy does not mean long-range. They call others distant ...

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Mityasha

You mean long distance? The fact that they fly in Soltsy does not mean long-range. They call others distant ...

Carriers of Daggers belong to the economy of "far-farers" .. and this one is not from Soltsy

[Mityasha]

Since when? Something is wrong in the Danish kingdom... Do the Dalniks know about it?

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Mityasha

. Do the Rangers know about this?

However, such changes The guys who switched to the carriers of the Daggers were also surprised, and the Savastleyka was partially squeezed out from the air defense officers; so far only her, but ...

[Mityasha]

Quote: kaufman

purely out of interest - how is military equipment insured? They lost the plane, who compensates for the losses?

They are not insured. In Russia, as the court decides. If the one who sits in it is to blame, get ready for long processes and possible compensation for damage.