British observer: We need to make certain concessions to Russia, but this should not look like a capitulation

The major British newspaper The Times published an article discussing Russia's demands for the West to provide security guarantees. The author of the material is columnist Gerard Baker, who calls the reason for the need for "at least partial concessions regarding Russia."

According to the British observer, "if we do not make concessions with regard to the Russian Federation now, this may lead to a repetition of the situation of 1938, after which Germany annexed the Sudetenland of Czechoslovakia."

At the same time, British "experts" cannot decide what happened in 1938. Some write that Britain and France acted “tough” with Germany, while others, on the contrary, believe that “not tough enough”.

The statement of the researcher of the British research institute in the field of foreign policy Stephen Blank is given. Blank states that "the appeasement of Russia can lead to a result that resulted in the betrayal of Czechoslovakia following the Munich agreements of 1938."

It is stated that today "any attempt to negotiate with Russia resembles the situation with the Munich agreements of 1938, and the south-east of Ukraine is the Sudetenland of Czechoslovakia."

original interpretation. But for some reason, British observers and researchers do not say anything about the situation with the Serbian province of Kosovo, which was torn away by the US and NATO. Doesn't it evoke associations with the Munich Agreement of 1938 for them? Do they not consider this an open Pandora's box, as a result of which the world order began to change in an unpredictable way?

Returning to Baker's material, it should be noted that the British author proposes "now to make some concessions to Russia in order to reveal the possible presence of Moscow's larger plans and designs."

Baker:

It is necessary to make certain concessions to Russia, but this should not look like a capitulation.

According to the British author, this will "expose Moscow's larger plans, if any."

Comments

[aszzz888]

An article was published in the major British newspaper The Times

About the aggression of Russia)) does not speak only lazy, and not paid. I think Russia is starting its own world politics. How it will go further - no one knows.
We are waiting for V. Putin's reaction to the answer)) mericatosia.

[dauria]

We are waiting for V. Putin's reaction to the answer)) mericatosia.

Why not wait? Let's wait. And there you look, and Yellstone, and the dollar will collapse, and Ukraine will "freeze and crawl itself."
Well, that's enough already. Everything remains as it was. Everyone has won. We them, they us.

[Thrifty]

That's right, everything will remain as it is, because in the 14th year the Kremlin created problems for itself for the future, distancing itself from the nationalist coup in Ukraine, and now they wonder how they overlooked the situation then ...

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Poor little Saxons! Boskas break everything, as if in another razpolovchee to deceive Russia!

[Carat]

It is necessary to make certain concessions to Russia, but this should not look like a capitulation

Let them make at least certain concessions, at least not indefinite ones, all the same, Russia will eventually fulfill the ultimatum to the United States and NATO in full.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Carat

anyway, Russia will eventually fulfill the ultimatum to the US and NATO in full.

"Wait, children, just give me time,
You will have a squirrel, there will be a whistle"

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Comparing Germany with the Russian Federation, like Czechoslovakia with Ukraine, is stupid. Elementary historical verbiage. In our situation, we are talking about safety. In the situation with Gervania in 1938, an elementary occupation and seizure took place. But in the first and second cases, some state will become an expendable item, I think everyone understands what kind of country awaits the fate of an expendable item

[Essex62]

All, cheers-patriotic, comments on VO evoke an analogy, just from the 30-40s of the last century. "With little blood, on foreign territory. With a mighty blow." Well, how can it not work? On the other hand, they are the same Russians, but how a Russian knows how to fight is known. And whom are you going to erase with a "powerful" missile strike? The same Russian people to whom Westerners
imposed their will by force? The impudent Saxons are just waiting for us to fight.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Essex62

The same Russian people to whom Westerners
imposed their will by force?

And forced to go to the punishers?
And forced to shell residential areas in cities and villages?
The Russians are fighting in the LDNR, and you need to think about them first of all

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Seryoga64

The Russians are fighting in the LDNR, and you need to think about them first of all

Russians are there on both sides, you believe the talking box and they believe, only the words from these boxes are opposite

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Tiksi-3

do you believe the talking box

I believe the inhabitants of the LDNR who talk about this on this site

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Seryoga64

LDNR residents who talk about it on this site

and I myself and that my classmate who was there more than once or twice, I'm talking about the Donbass, the DPR ....

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Tiksi-3

and I myself and that my classmate

And who told you that people don't die from shelling there?

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Seryoga64

And who told you that people don't die from shelling there?

in your mind?? where and when did I say that?

[Seryoga64]

do you believe the talking box

I believe the inhabitants of the LDNR who talk about this on this site

and I myself and that my classmate,

[Tiksi-3]

and what did you hide here? where are the words that they don't kill? I believe myself and the one who was there on the side of the DPR more than once, and his words are as follows - Russians kill Russians, while adding that the APU and Westerners have mercenaries, BUT the dream of the Anglo-Saxons worked - Russians kill Russians

[Seryoga64]

Yes, I do not care who is fighting in the ATO. Don't care about their nationality
I don’t give a damn that Russian people, Russian children, are dying from their shelling

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Seryoga64

Yes, I don't care

key phrase - for everything spitgoodbye

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Tiksi-3

Farewell

I won't pay. And you continue to protect them

[Essex62]

The outskirts are occupied by the west, and this is a given that cannot be avoided. Remember WWII. Hundreds of thousands turned out to be on the side of the Nazis, they were traitors or enemies by conviction. But no one even thought of considering the population of the occupied territories as enemy.
And you have to think about all Russians. Having fallen in love with the opportunity to crush the sinking 7 years ago, the wrestlers, for some reason, right now decided to remember the red lines. These lines have been turning red for almost 30 years.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Essex62

But no one even thought of considering the population of the occupied territories as enemy.

And no one with a peaceful population fought
I said about those who are in the ATO

[Essex62]

There is no doubt that they are enemies. I'm talking about old people, women and children, the same blood with us. Russian blood. You need to be thinner, smarter. The infection must be eradicated. But surgically, and not by Escanders in terms of areas. And for this, it is necessary to change the government in Kueva. But these are already dreams. An insoluble dilemma.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Essex62

But surgically

Late

But surgically

The only way

And for this, it is necessary to change the government in Kueva.

These atoshniks protect her

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Don't talk nonsense. How are you going to change the power, and for what? How do you ,, sort them ,, are going to your own and others? Ukraine is completely confused in 30 years. So that Ukraine does not happen, this is the problem of the people of Ukraine. They jumped, voted and got what they wanted. The people of Ukraine will pay for everything. The people elected this power.

[Essex62]

Power to change to Russian, as in the Crimea.
The Soviet government, after the liberation of the outskirts, very painstakingly weeded and almost cleaned it out.
It is impossible to consider all the people of the outskirts as banderlogs. Even the People of Germany was not considered an enemy, but only the Nazis. There are so few of us left, nothing Russians (there are no Ukrainians, by definition) to be scattered. You can completely re-educate, putting them in certain conditions. Yes, it’s difficult, but necessary.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Language can be changed. Nationality is possible. Mentality and thinking - never!

[Essex62]

The difference in thinking between Krasnodar and Kharkovites is somehow not noticeable at all. What do you mean?

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Perhaps you don't know them well. There is a difference. Starting from school.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Seryoga 64, I support!

[Seryoga64]

But I wonder where these "Russians" were when Russians were burned alive in Odessa

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

As always, they made money on visitors. All Russians left for Russia back in the 90s. Personally, I have many such friends. Beautiful people.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

As always, they made money on visitors.

And I'm still called to respect them
I will never forget the footage from the video.
A young married couple with a child is walking. the House of Trade Unions is burning nearby, people jump out of the windows, they are finished off.
And they're filming everything on cell phones.
Respect such people???
Or consider brothers???

[Essex62]

And there, where everyone is, when we were at 93, they shot us from tank guns in the database. There, when entire armies surrendered, at the beginning of the Second World War, leaving the civilian population unprotected. Not everyone is ready for a fight, this is a given.
There are 50 million and they are all different.

[Seryoga64]

It's clear. Paws uphill and "myahataskrayu"

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Essex62

All, cheers-patriotic, comments on VO evoke an analogy, just from the 30-40s of the last century. "With little blood, on foreign territory. With a mighty blow." Well, how can it not work? On the other hand, they are the same Russians, but how a Russian knows how to fight is known. And whom are you going to erase with a "powerful" missile strike? The same Russian people to whom Westerners
imposed their will by force? The impudent Saxons are just waiting for us to fight.

Don’t you consider such an option that the Russian people and not a small part of Ukrainians in Ukraine will support the process of expelling Westerners with mattresses and their ideology back to the Western region and from Ukraine in general?

[Essex62]

It would be very desirable to start this process. But this cannot be achieved with missile strikes.

[Egoza]

Quote: Essex62

It would be very desirable to start this process. But this cannot be achieved with missile strikes.

Maybe officially-diplomatically? The border with Ukraine is administrative, no one has demarcated it. Can you play on this?

[Essex62]

So all neoplasms on the territory of the USSR are not legal. All these borders were drawn by usurpers who seized power by force and ignored the will of the Peoples of the Soviet Union, on its preservation, at a referendum.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Essex62

It would be very desirable to start this process. But this cannot be achieved with missile strikes.

Well, you understand that the form and methods of suggestion that will be chosen to bring Ukraine into a sane state do not depend on us, but on Kuev and Washington. Russia proposed a peaceful solution to the problem through the implementation of the Minsk agreements. If they do not want to solve the problem peacefully, then what ways are left? Russia cannot afford to look indifferently at how the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Ukronazis will exterminate the population of the LDNR. So there aren't many options. They will force them, they will snatch the lyuley by the withers.

[Essex62]

This is undeniable. Donbass, in this aspect, is not even considered. Everything is clear there, there is the front line and the Armed Forces of Ukraine. They'll get it, they'll get it. So what is next? Again, leave everything in the stage of trench warfare. The abscess must be removed and rather by political methods than by a massive blow to the cities of the outskirts. It is necessary to create a situation there so that the Russians would want to demolish Bandera to hell.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Essex62

It is necessary to create a situation there so that the Russians would want to demolish Bandera to hell.

Necessary.

[El Chuvachino]

Not small, how much do you think?

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: El Chuvachino

Not small, how much do you think?

A difficult question, but there is an understanding that with each year of the post-revolutionary "happy" life, their number is steadily growing. Not because they love Russia, but because the government that came to power after the Maidan pretty much bullied everyone, with the exception of a small number of people serving this government. I do not pretend to be accurate, but I think that this ratio is 50x50, i.e. these are those who will not mind (50%) - those who will be neutral and without enthusiasm (25-30%), and those who will be vehemently against (15-20%). I do not impose, but somehow I think so.

[AUL]

Quote: Nyrobsky

But you don’t consider such an option that the Russian people and not a small part of the Ukrainians in Ukraine will support the process of expelling Westerners with mattresses and

It would be great, but alas, the train has left... 30 years of purposeful planting of Russophobia have done their job. This would have been possible before the age of 14, but now the anti-Russian tumor has already grown too much. I remember that at the beginning of 41 they also hoped that "the entire world proletariat, as one, would rise to the defense of the USSR against the bourgeois oppressors." Didn't get up...

[Nyrobsky]

Quote from AUL

Quote: Nyrobsky

But you don’t consider such an option that the Russian people and not a small part of the Ukrainians in Ukraine will support the process of expelling Westerners with mattresses and

It would be great, but alas, the train has left... 30 years of purposeful planting of Russophobia have done their job. This would have been possible before the age of 14, but now the anti-Russian tumor has already grown too much. I remember that at the beginning of 41 they also hoped that "the entire world proletariat, as one, would rise to the defense of the USSR against the bourgeois oppressors." Didn't get up...

All the same, Alexander Yuryevich, this problem has only two solutions - either peace or war. The state of neither peace nor war can continue indefinitely, all the more so the option of a solution by peace is becoming less and less possible, and if so, then it is necessary, as in the saying - "Do what you must, and then be what will be."

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

I don’t consider it. And I don’t advise you to dream. "Russian people" in Ukraine were quite happy with everything, until 2014. Went to the polls, ran with flags. Served in government. And they were all great. And when the urge began to squeal "Russia save". So, a Russian soldier from near Ryazan, Pskov or Vologda should shed blood for them? And then the mother’s soldier is one, the only child.
Is it hard for them to live there? Humiliate? Let them take up arms and fight like the Donbass. And Russian soldiers do not need to hide behind.

[Essex62]

Cut out. They won't even get to the weapons. For active resistance to the Nazis, a system, an organization is needed. This is what the Russian Federation should do. By political means
And the Russian soldier will still have to fight. The zaluzhnye and their gay mongrels will not calm down. The only way to avoid this on the outskirts is to eliminate the power of the Banderlogs.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

You talk so easily about the ,, Russian soldier ,,. What does he owe? He owes nothing to anyone. With regards to Ukraine, he made a mess himself, the people of Ukraine. Let him figure it out for himself. They will not cut out, this is their personal grief. Enough of the Ruhr soldier, to rent to anyone and anywhere. A soldier is someone's child, grandson, etc. But Donbass cannot be offended. People fought honestly and did not jump namaidans.

[Essex62]

You offer them yourself, I think it will not work. The debt of a Russian soldier, I did not write to anyone. For you they are strangers, forelocks, for me they are the same Russians. Russia went from Kiev as a state. Bandera non-humans are naturally not included in this number.
It is interesting what would happen if Comrade Stalin reasoned like that in 44. Reached the border and stop?

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

I understand and respect your feeling of "internationalism and love of neighbor" but the reality does not match your preferences. The situation with Ukraine is political and it must be solved, with the mind and not with emotions. In addition, the more Ukraine weakens itself, the easier it will be to dictate terms to it. I always liked the school of English diplomacy - to help those who are fighting and not get into a fight until they are completely exhausted. Let me sum it up: let the Ukrainians keep their country falling apart, we will help them. The rest will be shared with others. Cynical?.. But it is safe for Russian soldiers.

[Essex62]

So I'm talking about the same. It's politically. But when the east fully returns to Russia, what is superfluous, what is foreign is systematically uprooted. We don’t need any depressions for nothing, they are not treated.

[yuriy55]

It is necessary to make certain concessions to Russia, but this should not look like a capitulation.

This is what the life-giving Russian word does in a certain intonation and with harsh notes...
They immediately began to recall that the island model of the state is more vulnerable to various cataclysms ...

[cniza]

It is necessary to make certain concessions to Russia, but this should not look like a capitulation.

What are the other options? , don’t go, there will be a war, and not because we want it, we just don’t want it, but you force us and we will defend ourselves ...

[Seryoga64]

Quote: cniza

And what are the other options?

Well, the preziclown has already backtracked
Ignores the orders of the owner, and even snaps

[cniza]

This is not an indicator at all, but what should he do? nobody cares about him

[Seryoga64]

Quote: cniza

and what should he do?

Well, yes, I was between two fires

[cniza]

As they say, don't get into your own sleigh, now it's reaping ...

[Seryoga64]

Quote: cniza

As the saying goes, don't get into your own sleigh.

Yes, the sleigh was painfully seductive for him

[cniza]

It's hard to say, everyone has their own taste...

[Seryoga64]

Quote: cniza

It's hard to say, everyone has their own taste...

The power of his mind deprived

[cniza]

There wasn’t much of it, but there was enough for the show ...

[alone]

Browsers have divorced like frogs in a swamp .. And everyone is pretending to be an important bird .. Some Baker says little. Chatter is all..

[Ros 56]

Western politicians and journalists are in their repertoire, the level of competence is close to the level of urban sewerage.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Ros 56

the level of competence is close to the level of urban sewerage.

And below

[Prisoner]

Do we need crumbs? No, give me the whole pie, you dispossessed!

[rotmistr60]

but it shouldn't look like a surrender

For the Anglo-Saxons, it doesn’t matter what the war might lead to, it’s important now not to lose face and so that the “allies” do not think that the agreements with Russia are capitulation to her. Arrogance, it is swagger, prevails over the mind.

[Egoza]

Quote: Seryoga64

And no one with a peaceful population fought
I said about those who are in the ATO

Seriously? it would be better if people were asked how they were robbed, killed, mocked...these are the ones in the ATO!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Egoza

Seriously? it would be better if people were asked how they were robbed, killed, mocked...these are the ones in the ATO!

And what is better than the ATO of the Bandera "national battalions" who bombed and fired on Donbass from heavy guns, killing defenseless old people and children?

[75 Sergey]

Oh, yes, you go ... to make concessions, but whatever it looks like, we may not look.

[Sergey11121]

Return from the world of dreams to reality, more often they need to poke their snout into their own shit ..

[Cosmemedic]

It is enough to take Minsk and stop NATO before Ukraine. This is enough for us. Increase the distance from the west gradually. But steadily

[tihonmarine]

“If you don’t make concessions with respect to the Russian Federation now, this could lead to a repetition of the situation of 1938, after which Germany annexed the Sudetenland to Czechoslovakia.”

So he himself admitted that WWII Britain helped to unleash Hitler.
But when Hitler "nailed" you well near the Ardennes, and at the request of Churchill, I.V. Stalin made concessions to you and ordered an offensive on the Eastern Front in order to ease Hitler's pressure on the British-American troops, you forgot about it. And how many of our fathers and grandfathers then died helping you, have you forgotten about it too?

[rocket757]

British observer: We need to make certain concessions to Russia, but this should not look like a capitulation

Well, yes, they promise everything, and then ... as always, in general.

[faterdom]

According to the British author, this will "expose Moscow's larger plans, if any."

They want to sniff out our plans for the SNR?
Scotland is ours, march to our native harbor!

[Bolt cutter]

Scotland is ours

41 billion pounds this year will receive Scotland from the budget as subsidies. These are four nuclear aircraft carriers USS Gerard Ford. Without subsidies, 5.5 millionth Scotland will break through the economic bottom and become northern Albania (it will not be warm, like in Albania, anyway). Pull on the money ?

[Timur_3]

Short:
1. We demanded that NATO collect the belongings and get out to the 1997 borders.
2. The answer came in writing.
3. All NATO, US and EU officials spoke.
4. The answer turned out to be a complete rejection of Russia's demands.
NATO has increased the number of military and weapons. And NATO has increased military assistance to Ukraine.
5. Our move.

[faterdom]

Quote: Bolt Cutter

Scotland is ours

41 billion pounds this year will receive Scotland from the budget as subsidies. These are four nuclear aircraft carriers USS Gerard Ford. Without subsidies, 5.5 millionth Scotland will break through the economic bottom and become northern Albania (it will not be warm, like in Albania, anyway). Pull on the money ?

Nefig to do. We reach SP-2 to Scotland and England pays there more than 41 pounds.
Or waiting for free gas molecules from the US and Qatar Razika four times more expensive.

[Bolt cutter]

Stretching SP-2 to Scotland

Only 5% of the gas consumed in Britain is of Russian origin. In addition, the situation with expensive gas is not forever, and not even for a very long time - producers in all parts of the world are reviving. And there are not so few resources around the world.
What do you dislike about Wales or Northern Ireland?

[Yuri Siritsky_2]

How tired they are, dumb-headed.

[faterdom]

Quote: Bolt Cutter

Stretching SP-2 to Scotland

Only 5% of the gas consumed in Britain is of Russian origin. In addition, the situation with expensive gas is not forever, and not even for a very long time - producers in all parts of the world are reviving. And there are not so few resources around the world.
What do you dislike about Wales or Northern Ireland?

At Sev. Ireland has a native harbor -Ireland, she is there, and perhaps soon.
A prince is attached to Wales, but why do we need him?
Yes, and we need a Scottish bagpipe - we will pull it.

[Bolt cutter]

Yes, and we need a Scottish bagpipe - we will pull it.

You can only pull a cat by the tail .

[Charik]

Obviously, Gazprom is not against the audit in principle, because we are talking about confirming the Moldovan debt for the past years ($433 million)

[Andrey Kuznetsov]

An islander from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Chita-Brita, according to them from England, diplomat Truss went to school with Teresa Hiley-like and comedian Jones, obviously, according to the Unified State Examination. On her island, the diplomat shamefully rode around in a tank, and in Moscow she said: London is the capital of Paris, Voronezh is the capital of Ukraine, and Rostov is not a Russian city. Therefore, she stupidly believes that Russia has advanced to Ukraine and that the war is about to begin. The illiterate fool asked to move the Russian troops, who are strictly on their territory, somewhere. Such as she unleashed two world wars, wars for false reasons in Iran, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, in 2004 they destroyed the country of Yugoslavia by bombing civilians, for 8 years they have been helping Ukraine to bomb the DPR. CNN has released a map of Ukraine with the capital Ulaanbaatar. The mentally ill, deceitful and illiterate leaders of the West created an escalation (tension) with lies and illiteracy, and for a month now they have been asking Russia to de-escalate for them, to eliminate the escalation they created. Well, what about such degraded ladies?