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Russian diplomat at the UN: The illegal presence of US troops in Syria is a direct encroachment on the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the country

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The Russian Permanent Mission to the UN Security Council again raised the issue of the illegal presence of foreign military contingents in the Syrian Arab Republic. Dmitry Polyansky, Deputy Permanent Representative of the Russian Federation to the UN, voiced Moscow's official position.


According to the Russian diplomat, the Russian Federation demands the immediate withdrawal from Syria of all foreign troops, without exception, present on the territory of this country illegally. First of all, Dmitry Polyansky mentioned the US contingent, which, as he stressed, cannot cope with the fight against the terrorist threat, even on a local scale.

Dmitry Polyansky:

American troops do not demonstrate success in this regard, even on a local scale, not to mention the global scale.

The Russian diplomat gave a concrete example of the recent US fiasco in Syria. According to Dmitry Polyansky, this fiasco in the fight against terrorism by the United States in the Syrian Arab Republic is demonstrated by the situation with the attack that ISIS militants staged on a prison in the administrative center of Hasakah province.

Recall that a few days ago, militants attacked the prison, which was guarded by Kurdish detachments with the support of the US contingent. The attack led to the fact that several hundred militants who had recently been held there were able to leave the prison. This was followed by other attacks by terrorists, including those released as a result of the mentioned ISIS* sortie, in territories de facto controlled by American troops.

A number of experts believe that this attack itself did not take place without organizational support from Western intelligence services. The main goal at the same time is the further legitimization of the American military presence in the SAR.

However, as Dmitry Polyansky noted, the illegal presence in Syria of foreign contingents, including the American one, is unacceptable. These contingents are present there without a mandate from the UN Security Council and without an invitation from the official authorities of the country.

According to the Russian diplomat, a de facto zone of lawlessness and anarchy has been created in the northeast of Syria, processes are underway there that contradict the constitutional norms of the state.

Dmitry Polyansky emphasized that the illegal presence of US troops in Syria is a direct encroachment on the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the country. The Deputy Representative of the Russian Federation to the UN added that in the Syrian territories controlled by the American troops, the process of radicalization of the population is underway, various groups are being cultivated, and there is an outright theft of natural resources belonging to the Syrian people.

Polyansky cited Afghanistan as an example, where the long years of American occupation did not lead to any positive result, but only aggravated the situation.

These statements look like a kind of response to Washington's constant statements about the "presence of Russian troops in Ukraine."
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  1. Murmur 55
    Murmur 55 28 January 2022 06: 39
    +14
    The United States has long been living on the principle of WHAT I WANT AND I TURN, no one orders them, so for now there is no force to counterbalance these are just words and Wishlist.
    1. Seryoga64
      Seryoga64 28 January 2022 06: 51
      -2
      Quote: Murmur 55
      so while there is no force in opposition, these are only words and Wishlist.

      Ideally, the China-Russia Coalition and the economic war with Sasha on all fronts, until the complete impoverishment
      But alas. Dreams Dreams...
      1. The black
        The black 28 January 2022 06: 57
        +23
        It is necessary not to remember the Americans in Syria occasionally, but to poke their noses at them and the UN, and the EUs, and all sorts of other things every day from the beginning of their stay there ...
        1. Seryoga64
          Seryoga64 28 January 2022 07: 03
          +3
          Quote: Black
          , espch all sorts every day since the beginning of their stay there ...

          The whole point is that no one listens to these words.
          Specifically, we can’t do anything, since the Americans have the right to "veto"
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 28 January 2022 07: 14
            +9
            These statements look like a kind of response to Washington's constant statements about the "presence of Russian troops in Ukraine."

            It was high time for Russian diplomats to make such statements about the United States at the UN!
            And then we too waited already in Ukraine, which is under the external control of the United States, the legalization of armed "Territorial Defense Units". Namely.

            Experts believe that in Ukraine all these legalized armed "territorial defense units" are nothing more than the organization in Ukraine of many armed gangs, which in the end will share power and sphere of influence in the region among themselves. Everything will be like in a civil war" - Batka Makhno's gang, "Papandopol's gang", etc.
            For historical practice shows that power is taken into their own hands by those who have weapons, i.e. essentially bandits organized into armed gangs. In recent history, numerous gangs in Afghanistan, for example, can serve as an example.

            In other words, experts predict a state of civil war for Ukraine throughout Ukraine.

            Moreover, since Ukraine is a US colony, which is under the control of Washington and London, the professionalsexperts see in the organization the so-called. "teams of territorial defense of Ukraine" deliberate decomposition of Ukrainian society according to the principle:
            that even if the United States were to leave Ukraine, then after them in Ukraine, as in a former American colony, no STATEHOOD should remain at all ..

            It is in this state of a full-scale CIVIL war - in the event that the United States leaves Ukraine - the Anglo-Saxons intend to leave Ukraine to Russia and other countries, so that again later they could somehow "return" here.
            1. bayard
              bayard 28 January 2022 11: 30
              +4
              I completely agree with you Tatyana, about the appointment of "territorial defense battalions", because apparently they really were going to leave.
              But to leave not just like that, but to slam the door so that ... and the door off its hinges - there were statements by the US press with references to their officials that the Russian Federation was going to destroy the dams of the entire Dnieper cascade with bombing attacks, sequentially from top to bottom. Washing away cities and villages, depriving the country of electricity, endangering a man-made disaster at the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant ... And this is without taking into account the management of Westengauz at nuclear power plants in Ukraine.
              All hydraulic structures along the entire course of the Dnieper (hydroelectric dams, locks, bridges) are mined - with deep drilling into the body of the dams, by an American military engineering company back in 2015. And the Dneproges was mined on the morning of September 1, 2014 (after a breakthrough in the river - not Ilovaisk) when the entire southern flank of the Armed Forces of Ukraine collapsed.
              So they are going to bring chaos to the so-called. Ukraine is such that the devil will feel sick...And hang everything on Russia.

              But the reciprocal move of the Russian Federation on the Syrian Front pleased - that's where to fight the Anglo-Saxons. And after everything they have declared and declared - about the freedom of the state to choose military alliances for itself ... about the inadmissibility of the presence of troops of foreign states on the territory of a sovereign country without the invitation of its government and a UN mandate ... About creating threats by the invaders ... It looks like the Anglo-Saxons will be Flogged in Syria.
              And very likely - in Iraq.
              And through the UN - too.

              ... But on the other hand , if the dams on the Dnieper River are blown up and Russia , the US and NATO are blamed for this , they can send troops at least into right - bank Ukraine ... This should not be allowed under any circumstances .

              And about the intentions of the United States to blow up the Dnieper dams, it is necessary to raise the information wave now - without slowing down. After all, the persons (American) responsible for mining the dams are known, all the circumstances and the time period when it was carried out are known.
              There were publications about this immediately in hot pursuit, but who will remember this now - society has the memory of a fish.
              Up to several million people are now under threat of destruction, along the Dnieper - down from Kiev. There are million-plus cities, there are chemical, energy and nuclear enterprises and facilities ... It could be SUCH a catastrophe in which Russia will be covered up that the world will shudder.
              What if it all happens at night?
              When do people sleep?
              And if on the night of the opening of the Olympics?
              And all the Western media will roar at the top of their lungs that it is Russia that is destroying Ukraine, what have they been screaming about for several months in a row?

              It is necessary to declare publicly and loudly about the upcoming grandiose terrorist attack by the United States against the people of "Ukraine" (Little Russia, Novorossiya, Slobazhanshchina and Chervrnaya Rus). Anticipating the plans of the terrorists by announcing them.
              That's when the "minus" can turn into a huge "plus" - in case of failure of cannibalistic plans and disavowal of the criminal.
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 28 January 2022 12: 22
                0
                Quote: bayard
                I completely agree with you Tatyana, about the appointment of "territorial defense battalions", because they (the United States), apparently, were really going to leave.
                And about the intentions of the United States to blow up the Dnieper dams, it is necessary to raise the information wave now - without slowing down. After all the persons (American) responsible for mining the dams are known, all the circumstances and the time period when it was carried out are known.
                Up to several million people are now under threat of destruction, along the Dnieper - down from Kiev. There are million-plus cities, there are chemical, energy and nuclear enterprises and facilities ...
                It can be SUCH a catastrophe in which Russia will be covered up, that the world will shudder .

                I agree with you COMPLETELY!
                Emergence in Ukraine from a multitude of "territorial defense battalions" in the form of essentially gangster "states within a state", like the Makhnovshchina in Gulyaipole, implies not only the loss of statehood in Ukraine, but also represents a CATASTROPHIC terrorist threat on their part not only throughout the territory of Ukraine, but also for countries throughout Europe in the field of peaceful coexistence with Russia, etc.
                1. Vladimir Mashkov
                  Vladimir Mashkov 28 January 2022 21: 22
                  0
                  Russia/Polyansky is doing it right! We need to talk about these reptiles more often, demand their condemnation always and everywhere! Water wears away the stone! smile
        2. svd-xnumx
          svd-xnumx 28 January 2022 18: 52
          +1
          and poke their noses and them and uns, and EUs, and all sorts of espch every day
          They tried to complain about them, so the Americans promised to do it to the judges. And these judges stuck their long tongue with which they slandered Milosevic in their ass.
      2. Serg Kam
        Serg Kam 28 January 2022 07: 05
        -12

        Ideally, the China-Russia Coalition and the economic war with Sasha on all fronts

        China, with a population ten times larger than ours, and a powerful economy, in this case will gobble up Russia and make it its vassal, like Pakistan.
        1. Seryoga64
          Seryoga64 28 January 2022 07: 09
          -8
          Quote: SergKam
          China, with a population ten times larger than ours, in this case will devour Russia

          Cracked teeth. We are a nuclear power and the population does not matter.
          "The Lord God created people, President Lincoln gave them freedom, and Colonel Colt made them equal."
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          2. Serg Kam
            Serg Kam 28 January 2022 07: 16
            -3
            Cracked teeth. We are a nuclear power and the population does not matter.

            Pakistan is also a nuclear power, so what?
            Or is it something else, I don't understand?
            Or are you planning to strike right and left with a nuclear club, both friends and enemies?
            1. Seryoga64
              Seryoga64 28 January 2022 07: 25
              -2
              Quote: SergKam
              Pakistan is also a nuclear power, so what?

              And who ate them? And they have a lot of enemies
              1. Serg Kam
                Serg Kam 28 January 2022 07: 32
                -5
                And who ate them? And they have a lot of enemies

                China.
                Pakistan is pursuing its policy with the permission of Beijing.
                Do you want Russia to be completely dependent on Beijing?
                1. Seryoga64
                  Seryoga64 28 January 2022 07: 37
                  -8
                  Quote: SergKam
                  Pakistan is pursuing its policy with the permission of Beijing.

                  Oh really. They just united against India. Goals are the same
                  Do you want Russia to be completely dependent on Beijing?

                  Stop scaring me with China. Where is China and where is Russia
                  Now the outskirts with its banderlogs are worse than China
                  1. Serg Kam
                    Serg Kam 28 January 2022 07: 47
                    -8
                    Where is China and where is Russia
                    Now the outskirts with its banderlogs are worse than China

                    Can you prioritize...
                    40 million impoverished country scares you more than 1,5 billion, rich, with nuclear weapons, taking over Siberia ...
                    Keep it up!
                    And it doesn’t matter that China draws such pictures, Ukrainians are scarier
                    1. Seryoga64
                      Seryoga64 28 January 2022 07: 55
                      -2
                      Quote: SergKam
                      40 million impoverished country scares you more

                      It scares me that the "40 million poor country" will start a war
                      It scares me that NATO will place its offensive weapons there.
                      I'm afraid of the eternal tension near our border, not your fake map.
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                      2. Seryoga64
                        Seryoga64 28 January 2022 08: 23
                        +1
                        Quote: SergKam
                        https://zhidao.baidu.com › question
                        西伯利亚以前是属于中国的吗? - 百度知道

                      3. Serg Kam
                        Serg Kam 28 January 2022 08: 46
                        -4
                        Well done, you are doing everything right!
                        Using a translator and reading what the Chinese write is not our option, it's better to watch the first channel. There is no need to strain the brain.
                        As I understand it, the next article is about the problem of reducing the quality of knowledge, including about you.
                      4. Seryoga64
                        Seryoga64 28 January 2022 08: 51
                        -3
                        Quote: SergKam
                        As I understand it, the next article, about the problem of reducing the quality of knowledge, about you, including

                        No need to be rude!
                        I studied under the USSR And I don’t pervozhu, because I think if you posted it, then post the translation. Why should I look for a translator, or follow links. Have you heard anything about the culture of communication?
                      5. Serg Kam
                        Serg Kam 28 January 2022 09: 06
                        +1
                        Why should I look for a translator, or follow links

                        Have you heard of online translators?
                        And I didn’t translate, so that you wouldn’t blame later that I translated it wrong and wrong.
                        Go, read, the Chinese are quite serious about the fact that Russia has occupied Siberia, and are making plans to return.
                        We all know that the country with the largest territory in the world is Russia, with a land area of ​​17 million square kilometers, ranking first on earth. Although Tsarist Russia historically occupied more than 1,5 million square kilometers of Chinese land through treaties such as the Treaty of Aigun, the Treaty of Peking, and the Treaty of Ili, these lands are not part of Russian territory today. Tsarist Russia occupied Chinese territory

                        Siberia, from the Ural Mountains to the Bering Strait, is bordered by the Arctic Ocean in the north, Kazakhstan in the southwest, Mongolia in the south, and the Khingan Mountains. The entire area is about 13 million square kilometers. "Siberia", some think it comes from the Mongolian "xypol" and some think it comes from the Xianbei people. Anyway, they are all nomads in northern China. Siberia is the place where the Huns, Xianbei, Tatars, Mongols and Jurchens lived for generations, as well as the place where they grew up. Russia is a territorially belligerent nation: from the Baltic, Black, Caspian and Japanese seas, it continuously occupied Chinese territory through various treaties and finally captured all of Siberia.

                        According to normal historical laws, it is logical that this piece of land, discovered by the Chinese earlier and closer to China, should belong to China.

                        https://www.laoziliao.net/history/info/49434997
                      6. Seryoga64
                        Seryoga64 28 January 2022 09: 16
                        -4
                        Quote: SergKam
                        Have you heard of online translators?

                        Imagine this picture
                        Someone comes to you and says something in an unfamiliar language
                        Naturally, you answer that you didn’t understand anything, and then he declares in pure Russian
                        "And you go and find an interpreter"
                        Fine?
                        And I didn’t translate, so that you wouldn’t blame later, that I translated something wrong and wrong

                        Well, you don't have to screw around...
                        I stop the conversation.
                        Talked too much
                      7. Serg Kam
                        Serg Kam 28 January 2022 09: 21
                        0
                        Well, you don't have to screw around...
                        I stop the conversation.

                        Convenient position.
                        You don’t want to read the originals, you threw off the translation - you also don’t want to.
                        If I don't see it, it doesn't exist :)
                        That's right, we must continue to be afraid of impoverished Ukraine. :)
                      8. bayard
                        bayard 28 January 2022 12: 12
                        0
                        Quote: SergKam
                        That's right, we must continue to be afraid of impoverished Ukraine. :

                        That's just not necessary for us to suggest priorities in foreign policy. Today we have mutually beneficial cooperation with China, joint exercises on the seas, joint patrols at sea and in the air - around Japan and off the Iranian coast.
                        And "Ukraine" for us is like Taiwan for China - its own land torn away and occupied by the enemy. And their people under the yoke of the Anglo-Saxons and their calaborators.
                        So we will hit hard, but gently. In due time.
                        And in the Donbass we will grind in the case of what bestiality and indecency, such as the "Croatian scenario".
                        And there will be tribunals.
                      9. Hypertension
                        Hypertension 28 January 2022 14: 39
                        -4
                        Quote: bayard
                        Today we have mutually beneficial cooperation with China, joint exercises on the seas, joint patrols at sea and in the air - around Japan and off the Iranian coast.

                        As well as joint deforestation in Siberia and the unprofitable joint project "Power of Siberia".
                      10. bayard
                        bayard 28 January 2022 15: 59
                        0
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        As well as joint deforestation in Siberia

                        I hope you are aware that from 2022 the export of raw wood from the Russian Federation is prohibited?
                        Though of course it's too late.
                        But the local princelings enriched themselves fabulously.
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        unprofitable joint project "Power of Siberia".

                        Unprofitable??
                        With such gas prices??
                        With such prices, SP-2 has already paid off, despite the fact that gas prices rose only in the middle of last year, and deliveries were made at a fixed price that was very pleasant for the Germans.
                        And the "Power of Siberia" has not yet earned its full capacity, because not all gas production capacities have reached the planned volumes.
                        And by the way, China buys gas at a price higher (!) than Europe. wink But here it is already better for you to go to Martsenkevich, he will explain it better.

                        China is not our friend.
                        And not an ally.
                        He is a TRAVELER and a very large and promising trading partner.
                        You should keep an eye on him, but you should use the benefits from trade (especially in the context of sanctions).
                        So the giant deposits of anthracites and coking coals of Yakutia will go to China and India. LNG from the Arctic and offshore oil along the Eastern route - too. In addition, we have a very good trade surplus with China.
                        New deposits of copper , iron ores and rare - earth metals , which are being developed in Eastern Siberia , are also expected to be supplied to China , India and Southeast Asia . So in the future, the Siberian forest will go to the needs of building infrastructure, enterprises and cities in Siberia. So, under such programs, wood processing will deepen, and forests will be restored in the places of former clearings ... The Duma has already allocated a budget for this ... such a horrific budget for the restoration of forests in Siberia ... delicious ... There is a lot of money in the country .

                        And the Power of Siberia is designed not only for export to China, but also for gas processing and gasification of Siberian cities and villages along the route. So the gasification started. And not only pipes, but also cylinders, which now have where and what to fill. So both the Power of Siberia and the Power of Siberia-2, which the Chinese have already requested, will pay off.
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        joint project "Power of Siberia".

                        The compatibility of this project is only in the fact that we agreed to sell gas, and they - to buy. At the same time, we built a gas pipeline to the border at our own expense, and they built from the border and beyond.
                        All .
                        SS Russia (Gazprom) built at its own expense.
                      11. Hypertension
                        Hypertension 28 January 2022 16: 19
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                        Quote: bayard
                        I hope you are aware that since 2022 the export of unprocessed hardwood from the Russian Federation is prohibited?

                        And you are aware that in the Russian Federation the severity of prohibitions / laws is compensated by the optionality of their implementation. But at least some progress in this direction is already good.
                        Quote: bayard
                        With such gas prices??

                        With what, such and such?
                        Gazprom's revenue from gas supplies to China in 2020 amounted to RUB 44,3 billion. with a supply volume of 4,1 billion cubic meters, said Famil Sadigov, deputy chairman of the board of the company, at a press conference on June 16. Based on this, the average price of gas supplies to China in 2020 was at the level $ 150,2 for 1 thousand cubic meters.

                        While it was previously stated that:
                        It is also argued that “The Power of Siberia will pay off only if the price of gas at the border with China is $360–400 per 1 m3, which is twice the average price of Gazprom’s exports to Europe in the first nine months of 2017.” . At the same time, according to Mikhail Krutikhin, the gas pipeline will pay off no earlier than 2048.

                        Will there be a recalculation of the cost or not?
                        In the meantime, like this:
                        However, according to the General Administration of Customs of the People's Republic of China, the average price per 1 m3 for deliveries from Russia in the first quarter of 2020 was 202 dollars United States, in the second quarter - 182 USD, III quarter — 144 USD, in the IV quarter - 126 USD, in the first quarter of 2021 - 118,5 USD. At the same time, at the beginning of 2021, China bought pipeline gas from Myanmar at a price of $352 per 1 m3, from Turkmenistan - at a price of $187, from Kazakhstan - at a price of $162, from Uzbekistan - at a price of $151 .

                        The price is getting lower and lower...
                        Quote: bayard
                        The compatibility of this project is only in the fact that we agreed to sell gas, and they - to buy.

                        It was me with the "joint" got excited, I admit. We built it ourselves and drive it cheaply.
                      12. bayard
                        bayard 28 January 2022 18: 03
                        +1
                        Andrey, you cite gas prices for 2020, when, with the onset of the "pandemic", production and consumption in the world began to decline sharply and prices tumbled down. In general, Gazprom was forced to trade with Europe at a loss, fulfilling contracts.
                        But in 2021, the economies began to recover, prices went up sharply, there was a shortage of LNG, and even coal prices soared 3-4 times. In addition, China, in an effort to prevent a lockdown (and yet they happened - rolling power outages and production shutdowns) began to buy energy at prices higher than European ones and create reserves. As a result , prices for pipeline gas to China exceeded European prices by MA . And it's too early to judge the payback of the Power of Siberia until the pipeline is launched at full capacity. In addition, it first goes to a gas processing plant, where it is divided into fractions, cream is skimmed off (including in the form of helium) and only pure methane will go to China, which is more expensive than a natural mixture, and other fractions go to gas stations (propane -butane), for chemical production, etc., incl. To China .
                        There, soon the production of polyethylene will be launched, etc. derivatives. So the pipeline does not pump gas, but delivers it for processing. Well, branches for gasification from it are starting to be pulled from gas distribution stations ... And now there are also plans to build new cities and industrial clusters, and they will be pulled up to them.
                        50+ billion US dollars is, of course, expensive, but gas prices will remain high for a long time - there is a clear deficit in the world and it will not be possible to make up for it soon.
                        Gas prices are reviewed (under long-term contracts) every six months, so for our pipeline gas, the peak price has turned out right now. Therefore, Gazprom feels so confident, reducing deliveries (but clearly fulfilling contracts) and at the same time receiving much more revenue.
                        At the same time, China bought all the "free" coal under the panicle today, and signed long-term contracts for Yakut coals.
                        And India asked for those coals - they have an application for annual deliveries even more than the Chinese one.
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        We built it ourselves and drive it cheaply.

                        And we'll build more. What is interesting is that the new pipeline routes will go exactly through the future cities, so the issue of energy supply there will be resolved from the very beginning.
                        The future belongs to Southeast Asia and it is necessary to focus our trade there. This will ensure the development of our Far East and Eastern Siberia as well. High prices for energy resources, metals and electricity will be a good incentive for this .... So China also requested electricity from our future hydroelectric power plants in Siberia, but it turned its nose on previous proposals.
                      13. Hypertension
                        Hypertension 28 January 2022 18: 28
                        0
                        Quote: bayard
                        You quote gas prices for 2020...
                        ... But in 2021

                        I got a little hooked on 2021 too:
                        in the first quarter of 2021 - 118,5 USD. At the same time, at the beginning of 2021, China bought pipeline gas from Myanmar at a price of $352 per 1 m3, from Turkmenistan - at a price of $187, from Kazakhstan - at a price of $162, from Uzbekistan - at a price of $151 .

                        Quote: bayard
                        ... go ... launch ... begin to pull ... plan to build ... pull up ...

                        A bright future, that's wonderful, of course...
                        Quote: bayard
                        50+ billion US dollars, it's certainly expensive

                        And 70+ is even more expensive:
                        The implementation of the entire Power of Siberia project, including the construction of a gas pipeline and the development of East Siberian fields, in May 2014, before the sharp depreciation of the ruble against the dollar, was estimated by Gazprom at $55 billion. However, in the summer of 2014, the head of the presidential administration, Sergei Ivanov, announced that the project will cost $60-70 billion.

                        Quote: bayard
                        Gas prices are reviewed (under long-term contracts) every six months

                        Well, we'll wait and see how the price of gas to the Chinese will change. For the time being, $118 is a joke for chickens.
                        Quote: bayard
                        new pipeline routes will go exactly through future cities,

                        Who will populate these future cities? The Chinese, maybe...
                        Quote: bayard
                        The future belongs to Southeast Asia

                        It's right. The future is there. Through our present.
                        Quote: bayard
                        our future HPPs

                        From the word "future" I already ripple in my eyes ...
                        PS Here is the info fresher, from 21.06.21/XNUMX/XNUMX:
                        Russian Gazprom borrowed 60 billion rubles on Monday. by issuing bonds at a rate of 8,45%. This loan, among other things, will compensate for lost profits from gas supplies to China at abnormally low prices. Russia supplies gas to China much cheaper than not only neighboring countries, but even the former Soviet republics. Such conclusions can be drawn on the basis of Chinese customs data. The Celestial Empire itself also does not seek to increase the supply of Russian fuel. Among the leaders are still Turkmenistan and Kazakhstan.
                      14. bayard
                        bayard 28 January 2022 20: 08
                        +2
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        From the word "future" I already have ripples in my eyes ..

                        Everything that is being built and is about to be built is the future.
                        The present is HIGH prices for GAS, COAL, aluminum (at the end of last year, the largest aluminum metallurgical plant in the Russian Federation and the world was launched in Siberia ... a long-term construction tormented for 10 years, but high aluminum prices made it possible to complete and launch the plant as soon as possible.
                        This is real.
                        When the price of coal quadrupled by the end of last year!
                        And the wild surplus of foreign trade last year - exports exceeded imports by 3 (three) times?
                        And this made it possible to replenish the country's gold reserves by 120 billion dollars.
                        This is OUTSIDE the budget (Budget Rule).
                        And the budget is also chronically surplus.
                        The world conjuncture favors Russia:
                        - they began to develop the giant coal deposits of Yakutia, and the price of coal immediately jumped 4 times,
                        - they thought up the development of the largest copper ore deposits in Siberia, and the prices for copper and other non-ferrous metals jumped at the same time.
                        - did you decide to build a metallurgical plant near Bolshoy Kamen for the convenience of the logistics of such a large-scale shipbuilding, while the needs of Zvezda at the peak cover only 20 - 25% of the productivity of the future plant? And then the prices for ferrous metal and the demand for it increased. Especially in Southeast Asia.
                        - they thought for what means and with what forces to develop the wealth of Siberia and inhabit it, and here the world conjuncture itself helps, paying back future expenses.
                        - they thought that they got into a puddle with a gas pipeline to China ... and prices have risen so that the gas pipeline will now pay off exactly faster than the appointed time.
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        let's see how the price of gas to the Chinese will change. For the time being, $118 is a joke for chickens.

                        And you look at the prices for the same gas for the second half of the year and for the last quarter. Gas prices began to explode from the middle of the year . And before it there was a historical minimum .
                        Look at what gas goes to China TODAY. And he leaves at the average spot price for the last quarter of last year.
                        But there is still not much of it, the main cream is now from Europe.
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        Russian Gazprom borrowed 60 billion rubles on Monday. by issuing bonds at a rate of 8,45%. This loan, among other things, will compensate for lost profits from gas supplies to China at abnormally low prices.

                        And in Europe the prices were abnormally low . Half a year ago.
                        And Gazprom suffered losses.
                        And then explosive growth and super profits, especially on the spot (and most of the consumers of Russian gas switched to it.
                        And yes - Putin allowed Gazprom not to pay tax on excess profits in order to compensate for losses from 2020 and early 2021.
                        That's just despite all these losses, increased prices for ALL categories of Russian exports
                        - oil
                        - gas
                        - ferrous and non-ferrous metals
                        - food (grain, vegetable oil, etc.)
                        led to the fact that income only from foreign trade for only 2021 allows TWICE to pay for the construction program of 6 (six) aircraft carrier strike groups with air wings, basing and maintenance sites, airfields, and escort ships.
                        The composition of one AUG:
                        - AV VI 45 - 50 thousand tons on gas turbines, with catapults (2 pcs.), An air wing of 24 carrier-based fighters of the MiG-29K \ Su-75 class, 12 - 14 helicopters, including 4 AWACS helicopters.
                        - 4 (four) class 22350M destroyers (64 KR in UKKS, two helicopters),
                        - one large integrated supply ship,
                        - one large offshore supply tanker,
                        - sea tug,
                        - all coastal and basic infrastructure, including piers, warehouses, workshops, boiler room, barracks, headquarters, airfield, etc.

                        So, if you don’t steal, then six such AUGs (3 each for the Pacific Fleet and Northern Fleet) will come out to the budget of 60 billion dollars. and can be built in 15-17 years at existing facilities.

                        And here in one year, only from foreign trade ... only super profit ... and not in 15 - 17 years ... the amount is TWO times covering the needs for the construction of 6 AUGs.

                        Well, if you steal ....
                        I remember a conversation with one architect (very famous in Moscow), who participated in the competition for the restoration of the Bolshoi Theater ...
                        - I, as it should be in Europe (and he is an Albanian, studied and worked in Milan), presented an estimate, threw 7% (European norm) on a rollback ... And the one who asked for 10+ times the price won, and laid down on the rollback .. .90% laughing ... well, how can you compete here. bully

                        So there are opportunities and objective conditions, but there are ... bully life circumstances .
                        There is a sea of ​​​​money in the country, they don’t have time to spend / develop ... They won’t give the population, but for the development of Siberia and its new cities - completely.
                        They invest ... they do not advertise very much.
                        Northern Latitudinal Railway , Rosneftegaz projects for the construction of its own LNG plants and the entire infrastructure .

                        And pensions will not be returned to the previous age.
                        And they won't add much ... unless they partially compensate for inflation.
                        Capitalism is harsh but inexorable. bully
                      15. Hypertension
                        Hypertension 28 January 2022 21: 17
                        0
                        Quote: bayard
                        and prices have risen so much that the gas pipeline will now pay off exactly faster than the appointed time.

                        Spot prices have risen, but contract prices change with a lag of 9 months. Given that the contract for the supply of SS was signed for 30 years, and I doubt that even the new contract prices will be at least close to the spot prices.
                        Quote: bayard
                        And you look at the prices for the same gas for the second half of the year and for the last quarter. Gas prices began to explode from the middle of the year .

                        And I looked. Article dated January 8 this year:
                        now the cost of gas at $170 for supplies to non-CIS countries seems incredibly low. After the records of October and December at the TTF hub in the Netherlands, when the price of gas futures exceeded the $2000 mark, Europe can only envy China.

                        The cost of gas for residents of Heihe will decrease to 2022 yuan per cubic meter from the beginning of 3,48

                        The price is so low that the Chinese even lowered the cost for their citizens. While in Russia, relatively recently, the price of gas for consumers has increased.
                        Quote: bayard
                        And the budget is also chronically surplus.

                        The point of this surplus ...
                        The State Duma adopted in the second and decisive reading the bill on the budget for 2022 and the planning period of 2023-24, TASS reports. The budget supported by the deputies implies a reduction in health care costs - from 1,362 trillion rubles. this year to 1,245 trillion rubles. in 2022, or by 117 billion rubles, according to the explanatory note to the bill.
                        And this is not taking into account inflation and the next surge, the next strain. What other AUGs are you talking about? Dreaming is not bad, yes.
                        Pensions were indexed by 8%, and real food inflation in the region of 20-30%.
                        You say oil, gas, coal, grain. The price is rising, private capital is multiplying, and the population is fidgeting with palm oil.
                        Quote: bayard
                        But there is still not much of it, the main cream is now from Europe.

                        Let's leave Europe. It's about the unprofitability of the Power of Siberia.
                        Quote: bayard
                        for the development of Siberia and its new cities

                        But who will master these cities? The people a year at 0.5-1 million go to minus. What other new cities? No matter how the old ones are empty.
                        Quote: bayard
                        They invest ... they do not advertise very much.

                        Which looks weird. Would invest - would advertise. And how. On all federal channels, day and night. "Look, people, what benefactors!"
                        Quote: bayard
                        capitalism is harsh

                        If only "honest" capitalism. At least not wild and not feudal ...
                        Therefore, do not expect AUG due to high raw material prices. Wait for new yachts and palaces for the newly minted "Heroes of Labor".
                      16. bayard
                        bayard 29 January 2022 00: 27
                        0
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        Spot prices have risen, but contract prices change with a lag of 9 months.

                        So beautiful prices will be drawn in the next quarter. I did not look at the reports today , but the other day I listened to Matsenkevich .
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        I doubt that even the new contract prices will be even close to the spot prices.

                        They will be guided. In the end, not natural gas will go to China, but pure methane, which is noticeably more expensive.
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        The cost of gas for residents of Heihe will decrease to 2022 yuan per cubic meter from the beginning of 3,48

                        This is not surprising, because the Chinese first pump gas into storage facilities, and only from there they distribute it to the consumer. And cheap gas was pumped into the storage at the prices of last year. And here the Chinese are great, although they say that their socialism is crooked, but they are pursuing the correct social policy.
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        The point of this surplus ...

                        For the population in recent years, definitely no, but if we talk about the state of finances and the economy as a whole, then this matters.
                        And for Siberian projects, they are going to finance programs from just that very little egg - from reserve funds.
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        reduction in health care costs - from 1,362 trillion rubles. this year to 1,245 trillion rubles. in 2022, or by 117 billion rubles.

                        They reduced the "pandemic" articles, in the previous year they laid down amounts with a margin.
                        And the social sphere under capitalism, especially domestic capitalism, is purposefully declining and will continue to decline. Gradually they bring / brought the population to the understanding that they will have to pay for everything themselves. They are simply getting rid of the Soviet legacy, where it was stated in the constitution that the Soviet state has as its goal "the maximum satisfaction of the needs of the working people." This is now considered heresy.
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        Pensions were indexed by 8%, and real food inflation in the region of 20-30%.

                        So I wrote about that - they will index it in order to PARTLY compensate for inflation.
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        You say oil, gas, coal, grain. The price is rising, private capital is multiplying, and the population is fidgeting with palm oil.

                        That is how request - CAPITALISM.
                        Over the past two pandemic years, the ten richest people on the planet have doubled their capital.
                        In the Russian Federation, top billionaires have also become very heavy with their fortunes.
                        Yes yes against the background of general impoverishment and a reduction in the income of the population ... well, finances are communicating vessels. Since everyone has lost, it means that somewhere it has arrived very seriously.
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        Let's leave Europe. It's about the unprofitability of the Power of Siberia.

                        "Power of Siberia" cannot be considered unprofitable - it has not yet earned its design capacity. Yes, it was built not only for China. It’s just that without China, they would hardly have undertaken to build it for domestic needs. But this main line is creating a whole complex of gas processing and gas chemistry, gasification of the surrounding settlements, providing energy to new industries. Rather, it can be considered a basic project for the development of the region; with its appearance, much becomes possible.
                        And don’t count where and how much you spent, often the funds for all this are bank loans with a long repayment period. The state does not finance such projects as a whole. Yes, and the state would not have distributed this money, even if it had not built anything - it certainly would not have become better for the population. But on the other hand, it will get better in those cities of Siberia, where gasification will come, it happened in Ukraine, when they built a gas transportation system to Europe, casually gasifying all settlements, even villages, switching most of the boiler houses to gas, building a bunch of energy-intensive chemical industries ... There's more much ahead.
                        And world gas prices will never be as low as when the contract with China was signed.
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        But who will master these cities? The people a year at 0.5-1 million go to minus. What other new cities? No matter how the old ones are empty.

                        First - refugees from Ukraine.
                        Secondly - on recruitment for new industries. No one from the locals was particularly eager to go to Bolshoy Kamen, but ... they recruited in the middle lane, promised ... now they have built housing ... and they are building ships.
                        Bogey about Central Asian migrants?
                        But capitalism does not care who to earn money on, there will not be enough refugees from Ukraine, they will be brought in from Central Asia. After all, for the most part, they themselves are not Russian, they don’t care.
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        . Would invest - would advertise. And how.

                        Yeah, so that the people, in their anger after the pension reform, tax increases and other impoverishment, yelled "where are you bastards transferring money?" . Oh, how expensive it is to build the Arctic, the Northern Latitudinal Route and other communications on permafrost ... but it’s necessary - even Stalin bequeathed and started building ... didn’t have time to finish ... And they are ashamed to admit that Stalin’s projects are being revived and completed - those projects that the Stalinists spat on and cursed ... Therefore, everything is quiet ... Well, the Super-Urals will release a video about the completion or development of such projects, who will pay attention there? ... And huge money goes there - into infrastructure. The Arctic is an untouched pantry. And the NSR, without which there is no way.
                        Here are the same nuclear icebreakers - what a lot of money and difficulties to build such a group ... And without this, neither LNG nor Arctic Light can be obtained or taken out of there.
                        And tell the pensioners that for the sake of this they threw them 5 years and froze their pensions ... they probably won’t vote as they should.
                        Therefore, the media do not spread about the superfluous, amuse, scare, distract. For under capitalism, the State is separate, and the people are even further away. Under capitalism, Capital rules.
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        What other AUGs are you talking about?

                        He just illustrated the order of numbers - that the country has money for EVERYTHING.
                        But not for everyone.
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        Therefore, do not expect AUG due to high raw material prices.

                        But this is unlikely - the construction in the Russian Federation of the most powerful merchant fleet of supertankers and gas carriers, dry cargo ships, etc., simply OBLIGES the authorities (which are from Capital) to build the Fleet - for the sake of the safety of navigation and projecting power on sea lanes. And the Fleet in the ocean zone is in no way without air cover. request therefore, willy-nilly, but the Russian Federation will have to build the Fleet.
                        She is going to. As soon as they master the production of power plants for frigates and destroyers, the stasis will be laid at several shipyards at the same time. And not RTOs with corvettes, in the most 22350M destroyers in the amount of 20 - 24 pieces.
                        And aircraft carriers. in Kerch. Yes, not atomic, and not "super", but the most "optimal" ones. But in the right quantities.
                        Such a merchant fleet (which has been ordered and is being built) must be very well protected. And they will carry oil, coal and LNG from the Arctic to Southeast Asia and India - along the eastern route, and to Europe and Latin America (with Brazil, for example, negotiations are underway on long-term contracts) - along the western route.
                        And all around are enemies.
                        And the capitalists in the Russian Federation are not suckers, they have a concept of how to protect their goodness ... and therefore entrust this to the State.
                        And there is money for it.
                        hi
                      17. Hypertension
                        Hypertension 29 January 2022 14: 28
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                        Quote: bayard
                        So beautiful prices will be drawn in the next quarter.

                        You understand what the squiggle is... Prices are kept secret. They will be beautiful or ugly - it will be difficult to find out about it. Well, except that the Chinese customs will not hesitate to publish the numbers ...
                        Deliveries through the Power of Siberia began at the end of 2019 - early in the scheduled period - in accordance with a long-term contract for a period of 30 years, which was concluded in 2014 by Gazprom and China's CNPC. The price of Russian gas supplied to China is formed in accordance with a formula that the parties do not disclose.

                        Quote: bayard
                        For the population in recent years, definitely no, but if we talk about the state of finances and the economy as a whole, then this matters.

                        Economy, you say ..?
                        The spending on social policy was also sequestered - the government cut them from 6,208 trillion rubles. in the current year to 5,837 trillion in the next, or by 371 billion rubles. The budget will spend on pensions not 3,314 trillion, as this year, but 3,162 trillion rubles, or 152 billion rubles.

                        Expenses for the national economy will decrease from 3,613 trillion to 3,461 trillion rubles, or by 152 billion. Thus, the budget will “save” 792 billion rubles. However, most of these funds were redistributed by the authorities in favor of the security forces. 2022 trillion rubles, or 2,799 billion rubles, will be spent on “national security and law enforcement activities” in 395. more than this year.

                        Quote: bayard
                        "Power of Siberia" cannot be considered unprofitable - it has not yet earned its design capacity ...
                        ...And world gas prices will never be as low as when the contract with China was signed.

                        Prices will not be so low - okay. But they won't be tall either. I cited the opinion above that for the payback of the SS until 2048, the price should be at the level of $400 per 1 thousand cubic meters. And when it reaches its design capacity - God knows.
                        Quote: bayard
                        First - refugees from Ukraine. Secondly, on recruitment for new industries.

                        These are all palliative solutions. There will be enough refugees for a couple of years. As for recruiting, you yourself understand that people, like finances, are "communicating vessels." Therefore: it will arrive somewhere, it will decrease somewhere. Some kind of urban cannibalism is obtained. Filling some cities at the expense of others.
                        Quote: bayard
                        there will not be enough refugees from Ukraine, they will be brought in from Central Asia.

                        And do you think that entire cities of migrants on the territory of Russia are for the good of the state? In Moscow and St. Petersburg, so far there are only areas inhabited by a large number of migrants, and already there are a lot of problems with them. And then there are the cities...
                        Quote: bayard
                        And tell the pensioners that for the sake of this they threw them 5 years and froze their pensions ... they probably won’t vote as they should.

                        It's like saying. There are many jingoistic patriots in the Russian Federation, whom you literally don’t feed with bread, but let them feel that we are the very best. Both our missiles and icebreakers are completely unparalleled. I won’t go far for an example - on this branch, there, Seryoga64: a sick, old, lonely person, ̶zh̶i̶v̶u̶sch̶i̶y̶ surviving on a pension of 9 thousand rubles. And read his comments ... He is ecstatically threatening both America and Ukraine and Europe. And go to vote for EdRo, rest assured. And there are many of them in Russia, unfortunately. Those to whom a pension can be issued with imaginary greatness, and not with money. And imagine that greatness will be real? Twice as fast they will run to vote ...
                        Quote: bayard
                        the construction in the Russian Federation of the most powerful merchant fleet of supertankers and gas carriers, dry cargo ships, etc., simply OBLIGES the authorities (which are from Capital) to build the Fleet - for the sake of the safety of navigation and the projection of power on sea lanes.

                        Who will piracy on the NSR? Small peoples of the north? And how is it, to attach an icebreaker to each patrol ship or something? And what destroyers? There - the corvette was built, built, and it burned down.
                        And who will be scared by these "aircraft carriers from Kerch", two pieces that are actually helicopter carriers? Americans are definitely not scared.
                        Quote: bayard
                        And the capitalists in the Russian Federation are not suckers, they have a concept of how to protect their good

                        I don't care about the capitalists. They'll be all right.
                      18. bayard
                        bayard 29 January 2022 16: 17
                        +1
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        . Prices are kept secret. They will be beautiful or ugly - it will be difficult to find out about it.

                        They are already quite beautiful, in the next quarter they will become even more beautiful.
                        In the area of ​​the new year, they traded gas in the region of 370+ dollars. , now more, in the next quarter - even more.
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        payback SS until 2048, the price should be at the level of $400 per 1 thousand cubic meters.

                        The Russian Federation is not going to sell natural gas, pure methane will be sold, which is seriously more expensive. And other fractions and chemical products from gas.
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        . In the Russian Federation, there are many jingoistic patriots who literally do not feed with bread,

                        Is it bad to love your fatherland and be proud of its achievements?
                        Or is the word PATRIOT a dirty word for you?
                        Since the 90s, this idea has been inculcated.
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        Who will piracy on the NSR? Small peoples of the north?

                        What's with the SMP?
                        It is necessary to protect our traffic ON MARINE COMMUNICATIONS, because ships go / go:
                        - along the Western route - from Arkhangelsk - past Norway - the English Channel - around the whole of Europe and across the Atlantic (!) to Latin America, or through the Mediterranean Sea (!!) - Suez - Red Sea - and past the Arabian Peninsula to India . smile
                        - Along the Eastern route - from the Bering Strait - the Sea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbOkhotsk - past Japan and American bases in it - the South China Sea - the Strait of Malacca (!) - the Indian Ocean - India ... or across the Pacific Ocean to the same Latin America.
                        It is on all these routes that it is necessary to ensure the safety of domestic navigation.
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        And how is it, to attach an icebreaker to each patrol ship or something?

                        No - to be on duty by the forces of the fleet in the key areas of our communications. And in a threatened period - yes, collect convoys and escort warships.
                        That's what everyone does.
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        And who will these "aircraft carriers from Kerch" scare?

                        First you need to build, and then we'll see if they get scared.
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        two things that are actually helicopter carriers?

                        It is now laid down and two UDC-helicopter carriers are being built. But aircraft carriers are also possible - slipways and docks allow this.
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        Americans are definitely not scared.

                        They will be scared of something completely different. Already scared. And these are the strike weapons of our surface and submarine ships.
                        AB must provide air defense, reconnaissance, target designation and assist anti-aircraft defense (submarines with helicopters of its air wing).
                        The striking force of our AUG and KUG - GZUR, RCC, KRBD. Here they are to be feared.
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        I don't care about the capitalists.

                        What are you worried about?
                        For the Revolution?
                        For Democracy?
                        For all the good ?
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        The spending on social policy was also sequestered - the government cut them from 6,208 trillion rubles. in the current year to 5,837 trillion in the next, or by 371 billion rubles.

                        So everything is in order with the social needs of the population.
                        How much did the population decrease in 2020 - 2021 ?
                        That's how much they reduced it.
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        The budget will spend on pensions not 3,314 trillion, as this year, but 3,162 trillion rubles, or 152 billion rubles.

                        And here everything is simple - there are LESS pensioners.
                        And the "new pensioners" received as a gift 5 extra years of active working life.
                        Arithmetic. request
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        Expenses for the national economy will decrease from 3,613 trillion to 3,461 trillion rubles, or by 152 billion. Thus, the budget will “save” 792 billion rubles.

                        You see how much they saved on defense.
                        But this is also the economy.
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        2022 trillion rubles, or 2,799 billion rubles, will be spent on “national security and law enforcement activities” in 395. more than this year.

                        Here you see? National security costs us twice as much as social programs . smile And you are not happy.
                        The government cares about the social needs of citizens twice as much as about National Security.
                        Country on the Eve of War.
                        Global .
                        And you are all about revolutions and coups.
                        You can not do it this way .
                      19. Hypertension
                        Hypertension 29 January 2022 17: 02
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                        Quote: bayard
                        Around the new year, they traded gas around 370

                        Who did you trade with? With the Chinese?
                        Quote: bayard
                        pure methane will be sold, which is seriously more expensive.

                        That's when (if) it will be, then we will recalculate the unprofitability. In the meantime, all the promises of a brighter future.
                        Quote: bayard
                        Is it bad to love your fatherland and be proud of its achievements?
                        Or is the word PATRIOT a dirty word for you?

                        You can love the fatherland and not love the state. A patriot and a patriot are two different things.
                        Quote: bayard
                        It is on all these routes that it is necessary to ensure the safety of domestic navigation.

                        How financially profitable will these military-trade convoys be, since you yourself wrote that "enemies are all around"?
                        Quote: bayard
                        But aircraft carriers are also possible - slipways and docks allow this.

                        As for "can" and "necessary" I'm not going to argue with you. The issue is implementation.
                        Quote: bayard
                        The striking force of our AUG and KUG - GZUR, RCC, KRBD.

                        - The skin of an unkilled bear ... In the short term, no full-fledged AUGs are expected.
                        Quote: bayard
                        What are you worried about?

                        Yes, like you, probably. For the country as a whole, for its future.
                        Quote: bayard
                        So everything is in order with the social needs of the population.
                        How much did the population decrease in 2020 - 2021 ?
                        That's how much they reduced it.

                        Or could the released funds be directed to those who survived. But no. Better put it in a jug (whose it is - another question), and boast of a budget surplus ...
                        And the population decreased in 2020 by 688,7 thousand people, in 2021 by 1,04 million people. Including due to optimized medicine, the costs of which have been reduced.
                        Quote: bayard
                        And the "new pensioners" received as a gift 5 extra years of active working life.

                        And now, the number of these "new pensioners" surviving to retirement will be even less than the "old" ones. Again, a plus in the "box" ... Again a surplus, again a "victory" over the people.
                        Quote: bayard
                        You see how much they saved on defense.

                        Did you read carefully? It's about the national economy. What defense?
                        Quote: bayard
                        National security costs us twice as much as social programs .

                        And what, we have two times fewer civilians than security officials?
                        Quote: bayard
                        Country on the Eve of War.
                        Global .

                        Theater...
                        Quote: bayard
                        And you are all about revolutions and coups.

                        Didn't write about it. You can not do it this way.
                      20. ada
                        ada 30 January 2022 01: 06
                        0
                        Capitalism is harsh but relentless
                        Glasses should be cleaned periodically. bully
                      21. bayard
                        bayard 30 January 2022 11: 28
                        +1
                        That's right. Peskov said, "We want it to be like under Nicholas II."
                        And they did.
                        And they won't let go.
                        Quote: ada
                        Capitalism is harsh but relentless
                      22. Alex777
                        Alex777 28 January 2022 17: 36
                        +1
                        Quote: bayard
                        Unprofitable??
                        With such gas prices??

                        The prices in the contract with China are not high, but the methane we supply to China and the natural gas we produce are two big differences.
                        Gas processing makes this project very profitable. hi
                      23. bayard
                        bayard 28 January 2022 18: 14
                        +3
                        I already explained it in the post above. Yes, and the prices for pipeline gas to China according to the SS last year were higher than to Europe, this is according to Martsinkevich.
                        If they start building the very cities in Siberia that Shoigu was talking about (and these are long-standing plans), then their energy supply will be due to these same gas pipelines, incl. who are planning to build.
                        hi
                      24. Hypertension
                        Hypertension 28 January 2022 14: 32
                        -2
                        Quote: Seryoga64
                        I stop the conversation.

                        You are not behaving very nicely. You were provided proofs in the original, and you turn up your nose and engage in demagoguery:
                        Quote: Seryoga64
                        Someone comes to you and says something in an unfamiliar language

                        You are currently on the Internet, with a bunch of online translators. Then they gave you a transfer - everything is not enough for you.
                        The fact that the Chinese are on their own minds is no secret to anyone even slightly interested in the topic of Russian-Chinese relations. Do not build illusions and do not soar in the clouds. The Chinese are practical, arrogant and vindictive. They have such a strong flare from the "Alliance of Eight Powers" alone that one can talk about the reduction of a certain number of Chinese coal-fired thermal power plants.
                        The PRC attaches importance to the creation of “stories of relations” between China and Russia: “The fundamental content of all these “stories” is the same. Its essence is to give readers an idea of ​​​​history as a practically continuous wars or as a struggle of China against “aggression” and “unequal rights” from Russia since the beginning of our relations in the XNUMXth century. until the end of the XNUMXth century.
                      25. Seryoga64
                        Seryoga64 28 January 2022 14: 39
                        -4
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        You are currently on the Internet, with a bunch of online translators.

                        Why should I translate someone else's text??????::?:??::?
                        You are not behaving very nicely

                        He was rude and didn't even apologize.
                        And I'm not interested in talking to you. You don't understand obvious things.
                        If you want to say something, speak RUSSIAN. Let me remind you, the site is in Russian
                        translate and post
                        Repeat
                        Imagine this picture
                        Someone comes to you and says something in an unfamiliar language
                        Naturally, you answer that you didn’t understand anything, and then he declares in pure Russian
                        "And you go and find an interpreter"
                      26. Hypertension
                        Hypertension 28 January 2022 14: 51
                        -1
                        Quote: Seryoga64
                        Why should I translate someone else's text??????::?:??::?

                        It's not "foreign text". This is proof of the words of the opponent, which you can verify yourself. In the original, without errors of interpretation. Firsthand, so to speak.
                        Quote: Seryoga64
                        He was rude and even apologized...
                        ... If you want to say something, speak RUSSIAN sweat

                        That's it ... Indeed - why do you need to read and translate Chinese, if you write in Russian, as God puts on your soul ...
                        Quote: Seryoga64
                        Repeat

                        What an absurd comparison? Surfing the Internet with an interpreter at hand and meeting a foreign-speaking person on the street are two different things.
                      27. Seryoga64
                        Seryoga64 28 January 2022 16: 26
                        -4
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        . This is proof of the words of the opponent, which you can verify yourself.

                        Translation and link to the original. Everything
                        From time immemorial, the site has been doing this
                        you write in Russian, as God puts on your soul ...

                        Elementary typo. Happens to everyone
                        Surf the Internet with an interpreter at hand

                        It's hard to reach the stubborn...
                        Well, why should I translate your texts???? WHY????
                        You tell me. On the RUSSIAN-LANGUAGE site they speak RUSSIAN without an interpreter!!!!
                      28. Hypertension
                        Hypertension 28 January 2022 16: 45
                        +1
                        Quote: Seryoga64
                        From time immemorial, the site has been doing this

                        The person who opposed you is recently on the site. But you didn't take the trouble to explain it to him. They began to be sarcastic, and in response, they naturally ran into a backlash.
                        Quote: Seryoga64
                        Elementary typo. Happens to everyone

                        Not one, and not just a typo. There is also spelling. Usually you shouldn’t find fault with this, but if we are talking about the Russian language, and at the same time this speech is with errors ...
                        Quote: Seryoga64
                        Why should I translate your texts???

                        Why not? To dilute, so to speak, routine complaints about minusers and switch to more intellectual activity.
                    2. bayard
                      bayard 28 January 2022 11: 48
                      0
                      Quote: SergKam
                      And it doesn’t matter that China draws such pictures, Ukrainians are scarier

                      This is Taiwan drawing!!! fool laughing
                      And for China, Taiwan and Africa are now more important. And security on trade communications.
                      Quote: SergKam
                      A poor country of 40 million scares you more than

                      Do not flatter yourself, today - on the strength of 25 million people. in Ukraine" .
                      At the time of the coup (2014), there were about 35 million people.
                      ... Crimea, Donbass, migration ... repeat request alas to you.
          3. yuriy55
            yuriy55 28 January 2022 07: 53
            -1
            Quote: Seryoga64
            President Lincoln gave them freedom

            As for freedom from Lincoln - to the Indians of North America, bison and blacks (former slaves until the middle of the twentieth century) from the plantations of the South ...
            It is not Colonel Colt who makes equals, but laws that are binding on all.
            I do not share your optimism about the Chinese partnership. About such in Russia they said:
            On your own mind...
            1. Seryoga64
              Seryoga64 28 January 2022 08: 00
              -3
              Quote: yuriy55
              As for freedom from Lincoln - to the Indians of North America, bison and blacks (former slaves until the middle of the twentieth century) from the plantations of the South ..

              Sorry, but I quoted their saying in its entirety, although when I read it for the first time, for a long time, there was no mention of Lincoln
              I do not share your optimism about the Chinese partnership.

              Aya did not say that we should unite immediately
              I just said that it would be the perfect way to fight the american
              1. yuriy55
                yuriy55 28 January 2022 08: 03
                +1
                Quote: Seryoga64
                I'm sorry, but I quoted their saying in full

                Do you think I didn't see it? There were people in the West who needed to be remembered and quoted ... This quote is more suitable as an excuse for American arrogance.
                1. Seryoga64
                  Seryoga64 28 January 2022 08: 05
                  -4
                  Quote: yuriy55
                  This quote is more suitable as an excuse for American arrogance.

                  Well, the arrogance of the states and the small-shaven has crossed all boundaries
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        1. Seryoga64
          Seryoga64 28 January 2022 07: 13
          0
          Quote: Tatiana
          It is in this state of a full-scale CIVIL war - in the event that the United States leaves Ukraine - the Anglo-Saxons intend to leave Ukraine to Russia and other countries, so that again later they could somehow "return" here.

          Quite possible
    2. APASUS
      APASUS 28 January 2022 08: 46
      +2
      Quote: Murmur 55
      The United States has long been living on the principle of WHAT I WANT AND I TURN, no one orders them, so for now there is no force to counterbalance these are just words and Wishlist.

      What are you, what are you, they defend the rights and democracy in these countries!
      This was recently stated personally by the President of the United States of America:

      “I want to bring our soldiers home, but I also want oil. I'm a civilian, I don't understand why the war in Iraq was needed at all. If my people go to Iraq, then at least let them keep the oil. But they [predecessors] didn’t leave,” Trump said. - The struggle between Syria and Turkey is very ancient. This is dangerous. I don't want 2000 of my boys and girls to die. But I will protect the oil."
    3. Alexey Gusev_4
      Alexey Gusev_4 29 January 2022 14: 08
      0
      America (USA):
      - the country of the ELITE of swindlers, adventurers and swindlers;
      - ELITE country of crooks and rogues;
      - the country of the ELITE planetary banditry. Continental bandits, swindlers and the like of the whole world lived, live and will get high until the forces of world people's justice are found and they cut off their thieves' hands and bandits' heads.
  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 28 January 2022 06: 40
    +3
    According to a Russian diplomat, RF requires immediate withdrawal from Syria of all foreign troops, without exception, present on the territory of this country illegally
    Here is already and "requires." Previously, they even exchanged information so as not to bomb each other. Although our "requirements" to the merikatos are up to one place.
    1. URAL72
      URAL72 28 January 2022 07: 09
      +2
      Merikatos our "requirements" - up to one place.

      I wouldn't say so. In Syria, there are forces capable of arranging a much more fun life for mattress covers. If Russia declares a no-fly zone in Syria, naturally through the mouth of the legitimate Syrian authorities, and throws a dozen fighter jets into Syria, then joint air watch can be organized. There is a bastion in Syria, Point U too. You can also throw Iskander, but there is no need. Iran also supplies its missiles there.
      1. Serg Kam
        Serg Kam 28 January 2022 07: 39
        -5
        If Russia declares a no-fly zone in Syria, naturally through the mouth of the legitimate Syrian authorities, and throws a dozen fighter jets into Syria, then joint air watch can be organized.

        You do not forget that Turkey, a NATO member, can block the "Syrian Express".
        Under any plausible pretext. For example, Turkey thought that it was threatened by war, well, it seemed ...
        What then? Bomb Turkey?
        1. aszzz888
          aszzz888 28 January 2022 09: 16
          -2
          SergKam (Sergey)
          Today, 07: 39
          NEW

          -1
          If Russia declares a no-fly zone in Syria, naturally through the mouth of the legitimate Syrian authorities, and throws a dozen fighter jets into Syria, then joint air watch can be organized.

          Do not forget that Turkey, a NATO member, can block the "Syrian Express" ...
          Doesn't "override." There are many reasons for this.
      2. aszzz888
        aszzz888 28 January 2022 09: 15
        -3

        URAL72 (Oleg)
        Today, 07: 09
        NEW

        +2
        Merikatos our "requirements" - up to one place.

        I wouldn't say so. In Syria, there are forces capable of arranging a much more fun life for mattresses. If Russia declares a no-fly zone in Syria, naturally through the mouth of the legitimate Syrian authorities, and throws a dozen fighter jets into Syria, then joint air watch can be organized. There is a bastion in Syria, Point U too. You can also throw Iskander, but there is no need. Iran also supplies its missiles there.
        Oleg, hi .I wouldn't mind at all. Drive merikatos wherever possible. To make the earth smoke under his feet.
  3. Seryoga64
    Seryoga64 28 January 2022 06: 48
    -2
    The illegal presence of US troops in Syria is a direct encroachment on the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the country

    Well, when did it stop sash
    Onises establish their own laws
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 28 January 2022 07: 57
      +2
      Quote: Seryoga64
      Well, when did it stop sash

      There was a time ... Moreover, even having the exclusive right to have nuclear weapons, these gentlemen did not dare to attack either the USSR or its allies ... And they broke their teeth about Cuba ...
      1. Seryoga64
        Seryoga64 28 January 2022 08: 03
        -6
        Quote: yuriy55
        And they broke their teeth about Cuba ...

        But we had to withdraw rockets from Cuba. And they broke their teeth in many places. In Vietnamese for example
        There was a time.

        I said by law that they never stopped the law when they dealt with countries weakening themselves
        1. Yuri Siritsky_2
          Yuri Siritsky_2 28 January 2022 12: 24
          +1
          Missiles were removed from Cuba, by mutual agreement, the Americans removed the Pershings from Turkey.
  4. Borisych
    Borisych 28 January 2022 06: 51
    0
    The point in Syrian diplomacy has been set. You can't steal oil. Now it's up to closing the border between Syria and Iraq. Iran will help here. And everything that goes towards Turkey is bombed by unknown planes into the smoke - this has already passed. The cleanup of American free oil production begins.
  5. voitenkoalexandrv
    voitenkoalexandrv 28 January 2022 06: 51
    0
    "Legalized" by the same UN ... They are "allowed" everything ...
  6. demo
    demo 28 January 2022 06: 58
    0
    According to the Russian diplomat, the Russian Federation demands the immediate withdrawal from Syria of all foreign troops, without exception, present on the territory of this country illegally.
    Outside is 2022. Russia wants...
    "The invasion of the United States and its allies in Syria is a military intervention (intervention) by the United States and a number of other Western and Middle Eastern states in the civil war in Syria with the officially declared goal of fighting the Islamic State terrorist organization, as well as the group associated with Al-Qaeda The al-Nusra Front began on September 22, 2014 with airstrikes on targets in Syrian territory as part of a military operation against the Islamic State; airstrikes were coordinated by the US Central Command.
    Why didn't you ask for it in 2014?
    But because on January 1, 2014, Russia began to preside over the G8.
    Love with the "collective West" led by the United States was in full swing.
    The cranks from the government of the Russian Federation, headed by VVP, thought about how successfully they were implanted in the pinnacle of world power and the world elite that they coveted.

    Take care of honor from a young age, and dress again.
  7. Serg Kam
    Serg Kam 28 January 2022 07: 02
    +1
    The third formidable ultimatum in the last couple of months.
    A couple of dozen more ultimatums must be put forward to make the striped ashamed !!!

    I'm wondering, who is this for?
    1. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 28 January 2022 07: 19
      +2
      Quote: SergKam
      The third formidable ultimatum in the last couple of months.
      A couple of dozen more ultimatums must be put forward to make the striped ashamed !!!

      I'm wondering, who is this for?

      I understand that you are quite satisfied with the fact that the monopoly right to kick all the countries of the world with or without it belongs exclusively to the United States?
      Let the mattress get used to the fact that now they will be kicked, the further, the more often.
      1. Serg Kam
        Serg Kam 28 January 2022 07: 21
        -1
        Let the mattress get used to the fact that now they will be kicked, the further, the more often.

        Excuse me, but where was the kick?
        What was the kick?
        Who kicked them?
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 28 January 2022 07: 25
          0
          Quote: SergKam
          Let the mattress get used to the fact that now they will be kicked, the further, the more often.

          Excuse me, but where was the kick?
          What was the kick?
          Who kicked them?

          If you like "tickling" then read this.
          The point is that not only one mattress can be charged against other countries, and under a completely far-fetched pretext. Russia rolled the ball out essentially. Just don't ask me to post a photo of the balloon.
          1. Serg Kam
            Serg Kam 28 January 2022 07: 28
            0
            The point is that not only one mattress can be charged against other countries

            They say this accusation to what place?
            Did you study Krylov's fable about an elephant and a pug at school?
            1. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 28 January 2022 07: 40
              +6
              Quote: SergKam
              The point is that not only one mattress can be charged against other countries

              They say this accusation to what place?
              Did you study Krylov's fable about an elephant and a pug at school?

              Yes, I do not care where they are. In addition to the United States, 192 other countries are represented in the UN, which should also hear that the United States is thieves and murderers. The more often it sounds, the wider the anti-American sentiment.
              Have you heard - Water wears away a stone?
              1. Serg Kam
                Serg Kam 28 January 2022 07: 51
                -1
                The more often it sounds, the wider the anti-American sentiment.

                Oh how ...
                Well, then you really need to issue a couple of hundred more formidable, formidable ultimatums.
                Then all countries will say: Oh, Russia, she is strong, she barks at the USA.
                And revolutions will begin all over the world, and universal happiness will come!
            2. sniperino
              sniperino 28 January 2022 15: 29
              -1
              Quote: SergKam
              Did you study Krylov's fable about an elephant and a pug at school?

              Well, it's about Russia and Ukraine. The United States also barks at Russia, and lately it has been no less boisterous than Ukraine, but the image of Moska suits them less.
    2. p0pulivox
      p0pulivox 28 January 2022 18: 15
      -1
      SergKam (Sergey)!
      Basically it is external and internal propaganda...
      And yes, I can’t help but note again that this is well displayed in the comments! lol
  8. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 28 January 2022 07: 08
    -8
    It is not necessary to speak with Americans at the UN, but with ,, paseidon ,, They do not understand another language. Well, the diplomat spoke, so what? .. The result is zero.
  9. Ros 56
    Ros 56 28 January 2022 07: 51
    -6
    So it is necessary to sprinkle the striped ones, like the barmaley, with buns like bombs, because they promised to help Assad.
  10. Dikson
    Dikson 28 January 2022 08: 15
    -3
    And they immediately took such and obeyed .. Statements for the sake of statements .. "Dmitry Polyansky mentioned the US contingent, which, as he stressed, cannot cope with the fight against the terrorist threat even on a local scale. .. remember about the Wagner PMCs, which rolled into a thin pancake in Syria .. Where they need, the Americans cope with "threats" ..
  11. Eraser
    Eraser 28 January 2022 08: 47
    +2
    But we had to withdraw missiles from Cuba

    And im from turkey and italy
    1. Oleg-Monino
      Oleg-Monino 28 January 2022 19: 11
      -1
      They were already withdrawn from Turkey in that conflict
  12. riwas
    riwas 28 January 2022 09: 33
    +1
    Russian diplomat at the UN: The illegal presence of US troops in Syria is a direct encroachment on the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the country

    That's right, the issue should be raised at the UN Assembly, but this is not enough. Not only Russia does not like the presence of US troops in Syria. It seems that Russia should help the pro-Iranian groups in their struggle against the United States.
  13. Yuri Siritsky_2
    Yuri Siritsky_2 28 January 2022 12: 19
    0
    How will they leave if they need oil, which they uncontrollably export from there.
  14. 1536
    1536 28 January 2022 18: 47
    0
    Our media should massively quote the words of our diplomat at the UN, and not report in editorials what the presumptuous US ambassador to Moscow said today.
  15. Oleg-Monino
    Oleg-Monino 28 January 2022 19: 10
    -1
    The thieves. Look at the map of oil wells in Syria and who controls them. About the oil carriers that we bombed, too, I think no one forgot.
  16. AL_Creator
    AL_Creator 29 January 2022 05: 59
    0
    impose sanctions on them
  17. aleks700
    aleks700 29 January 2022 18: 27
    0
    Well, impose sanctions for it.
  18. madday
    madday 29 January 2022 20: 09
    0
    I hope that the pressure will not fade away in all these paperwork, and will continue to crush these lice on their continent.