Russia denied the statement of the Dutch authorities about the failure to provide Russia with legal assistance in the MH17 case

In the European Court of Human Rights, Russia refuted the statements of the Dutch authorities about the failure of the Russian Federation to provide legal assistance in the MH17 case. Mikhail Vinogradov, Russian Commissioner to the ECtHR, pointed out that Amsterdam was misleading the court.

He stated this in his speech at today's court session.

Vinogradov said that out of 29 requests from the Dutch side for legal assistance in the case of the crash of a Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 near Donetsk, Moscow complied with 28, and the last one is still being processed. Thus, not a single appeal of Amsterdam was left without attention.

The Plenipotentiary to the Russian Federation expressed regret over the obvious disinformation of the Dutch authorities, which distorts the true situation.

Today's meeting of the ECtHR in Strasbourg is devoted to the consideration of complaints from the Netherlands and Ukraine regarding the death of a Malaysian Airlines passenger plane, which was en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur.

The disaster occurred over the territory of the DPR on July 17, 2014. As a result, all 298 passengers and crew members on board the liner were killed. The West immediately blamed the Donbass militias and the Russian authorities for the incident. The evidence provided by the Russian Federation, indicating the involvement of the Ukrainian military in the crime, the court did not take into account.

Comments

[Hto tama]

Isn't it time to send them gullies ?

[The black]

In the West, no one needs the truth about the downed MH17, because it is, to put it mildly, inconvenient for them. All this trial is not aimed at restoring the truth, but at finding evidence against pre-appointed perpetrators.
The time will come to hand over Ukraine as a glass container.

[Anachoret]

I won’t be surprised if Netflix soon removes “its version” of events and a pack of all Psak will adhere to it))

[Thrifty]

Tired of listening to this from mongrels without the right to even think on their own! All these courts in Russian should be sent in three letters !!!

[Aerodrome]

and if you check the authorities of the Netherlands "ON DOPING"? it's like in an international court ... is it possible?

[evgen1221]

Psaka is a dog, I’ll call it that, let’s sit on the chain at the booth and bark guarding.

[Zaurbek]

In place of the West .... I would start with this. And things would go faster.

[BABAY22]

They don't even need proof. The culprit was appointed in advance, even before the takeoff of MH17.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Black

In the West, no one needs the truth about the downed MH17, because it is, to put it mildly, inconvenient for them.

For 7 years now (like all of us) I have been watching and listening to this incomprehensible "talking shop" but not to the court, with the collection of evidence and so on.
And I am constantly overcome by doubts - "why the West is protecting Ukraine, and the United States is silent with satellite data." AND
And I constantly come to the conclusion that it means that not only Ukraine is to blame for the death of the Boeing, but also other European countries. So defending with such perseverance, you can only "beloved" yourself, but not others and it is not clear who Ukraine represents for the European Union.

[Evil543]

I'm wondering, when will they be poked a video about the presence of a beech, with a number appearing in the case, from Ukraine? There is a video on the Internet, Buk is being transferred to Belarus, on the territory of undead.

[Zaurbek]

In the meantime, there are no other sources of information about this topic ..... do you know about some kind of intelligible theory about this event from the Russian authorities?

[Pavel73]

You can send. But only with devastating arguments and facts. Presented at the highest level. I am sure: we have them, and the decisive moment is coming.

[x917nt]

Quite right. After all, it is simply enough for Russia to tell and document where the Buk was located under the number 332 of the Russian 53rd anti-aircraft missile brigade, based near the city of Kursk on 17.07.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX. And all the Dutch accusation will crumble like a house of cards.

[Pavel73]

And if in the Donbass, then what?

[x917nt]

That will have to accept the arguments of the JIT.

[Pavel73]

What exactly? That the Russian Buk was in the Donbass? Yes. What was he under Snow? Yes. What was shot from him? Yes, it's possible. That a Boeing was shot down from it? No. Convincing evidence of this for all 7 years has not been presented. And US satellite data is CLASSIFIED.

[x917nt]

And US satellite data is CLASSIFIED.

Let Russia show its satellite images. Just business ... Only real ones.

[Pavel73]

Sure, not a problem. As soon as the Americans show theirs.

[x917nt]

Are the Americans somehow mentioned in the investigation? Why do they need it?

[Flanker692]

Well, just naivete itself. the trial of the four will soon come to an end, when is this moment supposed to come?

[rocket757]

Russia denied the statement of the Dutch authorities about the failure to provide Russia with legal assistance in the MH17 case

. Those "inspired" even in the eyes .... they do not want to see beyond their Wishlist.
In general, it is common with them, do not respect yourself.

[The black]

they don't want to see beyond their wishes

... that's exactly WANTED !!! All they see and know. However, there is a political order. Therefore, the West has been trying for the EIGHTH!!! year to fabricate an accusation from non-existent evidence, completely ignoring real facts and evidence and hiding evidence pointing to Ukraine's guilt - satellite images, recording of controllers' conversations, rocket remnants, and so on!

[rocket757]

How are you going to get them out of the water?
Catch and pinch something with a joint ??? So it’s easier to run into a garden-maza there! Yes, and there are so many "inspired" that there are not enough jambs for all ....
In general, the only thing that is important and necessary is to consolidate with the leadership of Malaysia, there are quite sane people !!!

[Flanker692]

https://www.kln.gov.my/web/guest/-/press-statement-on-the-latest-report-by-the-mh17-joint-investigation-team-jit-
This is a press release from the Malaysian Foreign Ministry from 2019 immediately after an interview with their prime minister Mahathir Mohammad (which is apparently a hint). It says that Malaysia appreciates the work of the investigation team and fully supports it in the future. Since then, nothing has changed for official Kuala Lumpur. The words of their 95-year-old prime minister, who has not been prime minister for a long time, can be taken as a private opinion. Like a similar story that recently happened to the former head of the German Navy.

[rocket757]

Let the person be out of business ... but they have not forgotten what he said. This does not happen in such important matters.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Quote: rocket757

How are you going to get them out of the water?

Under the present situation, no way. EVERYTHING change drastically under one condition. And this condition is the liberation of Ukraine. There will be immediately true witnesses of what happened.

As for me, I have dealt with this issue a lot. And I am firmly convinced that the plane was shot down by Voloshin, who shot himself, who was helped and guided by the Bukov tracking stations.

[rocket757]

To believe, not to believe ... I will not say that the Yankees were not on the moon until they present real evidence and those who once recognized this fact disavow their confessions.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Quote: rocket757

To believe, not to believe ... I will not say that the Yankees were not on the moon until they present real evidence and those who once recognized this fact disavow their confessions.

Correct, of course, about irrefutable evidence. But I, nevertheless, do not believe that the Americans were on the moon!

[rocket757]

I have doubts also because the statements of the Soviet responsible persons were, although specific, but did not confirm the very fact that the first leg of a man who stepped on the moon was / is American.
Here is the fact that the transmission was carried out from the surface of the Moon, this was confirmed, but due to the fact that the astronauts were there, ours never said this.
Those. options are possible, there is a field for imagination, NOT POWED!
By the way, this is even correct .... they could not refute, but they did not confirm either! Very reasonable.

[Flanker692]

with a picture, let's say everything is clear, but what is there in the conversations of the dispatchers and in the remnants of the rocket pointing to Ukraine?

[Seryoga64]

Quote: rocket757

In general, it happens with them, do not respect yourself

In general, all contacts with them should be limited to zero.

[rocket757]

So it should be .... in geyropa, in general, you can talk from ... heels of people, serious politicians! Not friends, but quite sane people.
But with whom you HAVE to talk seriously, or even butt heads, this is with the administration of Uncle Joe ....
Anyway, they are, in practice, the final authority for solving many issues in .... geyrop, in the first place.
Of course, bandits from the main road even look more sane, but alas, alas, you will have to talk with those who are.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: rocket757

Of course, bandits from the main road even look more sane, but alas, alas, you will have to talk with those who are.

And where are you going. As the saying goes, eat what you get
Off topic. Now I look at the box and my hair is on end. "Enlightened and democratic" are already ready to recognize pedophilia as a disease and free pedophiles from any punishment. Children are already taught this from kindergarten age.

[rocket757]

There is such a thing, in geyropa sado maza and other perverts climb out of all the cracks !!! What is nasty, it is easier for them to find support from those in power than any community united by common sense, conservative concepts and logic.
Alas, alas, one must stay away from such a geyropa ...

[Seryoga64]

Quote: rocket757

than any community united by common sense, conservative concepts and logic.

People are afraid to protest against these... They can easily lose their jobs.
Here are people who seem to be pious, they read the Bible. Pages about Sodom and Gomorrah are probably just scrolling through

[rocket757]

The faith of the majority is feigned, and even completely perverted ....
So that conservative disbelief is no less an obstacle to all sorts of perverts.
However, we have non-believers, this is very conditional, very many, as I noticed. We don’t go to church, but don’t touch our lives!!! We want to remain normal, natural in every way.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: rocket757

However, we have non-believers, this is very conditional, very many, as I noticed.

"Thank God" everyone says

[Flooding]

Quote: Seryoga64

"Thank God" everyone says

"Thank God" - said the atheist, knocking on wood just in case.

[rocket757]

And we remember God and the devil, in fact, no.
That's how we live.

[opuonmed]

imposed sanctions and they didn’t sell the Russian Federation lithography for processors at 28 or less, everything became because of this)))) probably not exactly)))

[tralflot1832]

Ours will publish all the materials that were handed over to the Dutch, we will soon see what we have and what this court ignored.

[Flanker692]

everything that has been published for a long time, all this has already been considered by the court. The official Russian authorities will not say anything other than what has already been announced. In addition to articles on VO, the Internet has long had official statements of the investigation team and court hearings translated into Russian

[K-50]

The disaster occurred over the territory of the DPR on July 17, 2014.

The catastrophe occurred over the territory of Ukraine!!!
It has already fallen on the territory of the DPR.
It can be assumed that the ukrovermacht is rifle and art. fire interfered with the collection of debris. Consequently, the plane after the crash was near the line of contact between the parties.

[GUARD]

It seems that Russia all around should provide something, yok mokarek! And why the hell is the issue of the Yankees' refusal to provide satellite images not addressed?

[Seryoga64]

Quote: GUARDIAN

And why the hell is the issue of the Yankees' refusal to provide satellite images not addressed?

And they can. They are the "chosen ones"

[Denis812]

For a more effective investigation, I propose to put the entire ECtHR in a Boeing 777 and send it flying, for example, over North Korea.
And to show the new composition of the ECHR court pictures from the scene of the new "tragedy" with the old composition of the ECHR court and offer either to make the right decision or also go for a ride on an airplane.

[Ramon Mercader]

What nafig "expressed regret"?? A counterclaim "for defamation" must be filed! Or "for providing the court with knowingly false information"! Or is perjury no longer considered a crime in the European Court?

[Tomato]

Do you sincerely think that lawyers would not have done this if there had been a fact of slander? So tell them.

[The Siberian barber]

To understand: you need to look at the fact that the Netherlands is a kingdom ruled by Orange ... Actually, the relationship with the Windsors does not need to be proven
Question to the studio: under whose tune is the "song"?))

[svoit]

Thus, not a single appeal of Amsterdam was left without attention.

This is certainly good, but for example, if we write in response like "the witness / suspect you requested cannot be transferred in accordance with the Constitution."
Can it be considered that Russia does not provide legal assistance or not?
In addition, Russia has been delaying for the 8th year in providing evidence of Ukraine's guilt, why are we dragging on?

[rotfuks]

The very principle of accusations against Russia is incomprehensible. The sky where the disaster happened belongs to Ukraine. Ukrainian air corridor. The liner was operated by Ukrainian dispatchers. But Strelkov remained guilty.

[Tomato]

You have amazing knowledge. And if a citizen of Ukraine illegally crosses the border of Russia, and commits a crime in Russia. How is he innocent?

[Wildcat]

The Netherlands, of course, are dragging the court as best they can.

So far, the negotiations have not led to anything and seem to have been suspended:
"Consultations are being held between Russia and the Netherlands on the MH17 plane crash, which killed 298 people. The negotiations are closed, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Alexander Grushko said, RIA Novosti reports.
“Such consultations are underway, but we have agreed that they will be confidential,” Grushko said.
https://www.gazeta.ru/politics/2019/07/19_a_12510205.shtml

I wonder if the lawyers will be able to turn the case through the "kurtosis of the performer"? It is bad that only one group of lawyers works with one accused; IMHO, and this group works poorly.

ECHR will post the decision later

29 requests from the Dutch side for legal assistance in the case of the crash of a Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 near Donetsk Moscow complied with 28, and the last one is still being processed

- statistics will be interesting.

[military_cat]

Quote: Wildcat

So far, the negotiations have not led to anything and, it seems, they have been suspended.

Russia left them a long time ago and officially: https://archive.mid.ru/ru/foreign_policy/news/-/asset_publisher/cKNonkJE02Bw/content/id/4387013

[Wildcat]

Thanks for the link!
"...we intend to continue cooperation with the competent authorities of the Netherlands, including in the study of the issue of Ukraine not closing its airspace for flights of civil aircraft over the zone of armed conflict over the Donbass, but we will do this in other formats."
IMHO, the option with the court was unstoppable, in this form, "compensation without admission of guilt" did not make much sense.

Still, it’s interesting, if considered as a task, then there is still an option to leave due to the “excess of the performer”: the subjects Gloomy, Cheerful, Playful and Cool, even according to the investigation, planned to shoot down military plane (we accept this version for now). Subjects A B C D, for example (according to the investigation), those who were in the BUK shot down MH17 instead of military aircraft. Did the intent cover the first 4 actors of the ABVG? No.
"The kurtosis of the perpetrator is the commission by the perpetrator of a crime that is not covered by the intent of other accomplices. Other accomplices of the crime are not subject to criminal liability for the kurtosis of the perpetrator." article 36 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.

In principle, the norm is universal for continental law, but how do lawyers work there in the Netherlands? ... IMHO, not really.

[military_cat]

That could have been done in the first place. Now it is impossible for Russia to agree to this, and the point is not the problem of responsibility (no one will pay compensation out of their own pocket anyway) and not even the fact that they will have to admit the transfer of Buk (this will not become a sensation for anyone), but that too many resources were put into defending the position that the Boeing was shot down by Ukraine. This would be the collapse of the remnants of trust for the citizens who still had it.

[Tomato]

This year, the MH-17 trial will end. By the way, the defendants have a whole team of lawyers.

[Wildcat]

There, only one defendant has lawyers, and they do not work very well, in the style of "we still have to live here."

[nod739]

It is necessary to announce that due to the current situation, and obvious disinformation, the Russian Federation imposes sanctions / breaks off relations / expels ambassadors, and from next winter a ban on gas exports
Let them know that by covering the bastards and frankly deceiving the public, they will pay!

[riwas]

Russia denied the statement of the Dutch authorities about the failure to provide Russia with legal assistance in the MH17 case

It's time in Russia to bring legal cases against these judges and prosecutors for fabricating evidence and the entire process.