The eleventh RTO project 21631 "Buyan-M" will go to serve in the Baltic

Zelenodolsk shipyard is preparing to launch another small missile ship (RTO) project 21631 "Buyan-M". The ship will join fleet towards the end of the year.

In Zelenodolsk, the construction of the RTO "Naro-Fominsk" is being completed, the ship is being prepared for launching and completion already afloat. The ship will have to go for trials in the first half of this year, and join the Navy in the fall, the exact dates have not yet been determined, they depend on the completion of outfitting work. The RTO was laid down on February 23, 2018.

As reported "News", The Ministry of Defense has already decided on the place of further service of the Naro-Fominsk RTOs, the eleventh Buyan-M will go to serve in the Baltic, although it was originally planned to send the ship to the Black Sea Fleet or the Caspian Flotilla. A crew has already been formed for the ship, and the necessary infrastructure has been prepared at the naval base in Baltiysk. Most likely, Naro-Fominsk will become part of the 36th RTO Brigade, which includes the 1st Guards Missile Boat Battalion and the 106th Small Missile Ship Battalion.

To date, the Russian Navy has nine IRAs of project 21631 "Buyan-M", three more are being completed in Zelenodolsk. The tenth "Grad" and the eleventh "Naro-Fominsk" fleet will receive in 2022, another - the twelfth "Stavropol" - in 2023. This will complete the series of small missile ships of this project.

Earlier, the Navy announced that the project 22800 Karakurt RTOs had been ordered to replace Buyan-M.

The ships of the project 21631 "Buyan-M" are the modernization of the project 21630 "Buyan" and belong to the multipurpose ships of the "river-sea" class. Designed to protect the economic zone of the state. The main armament is the Kalibr-NK long-range universal missile system for eight vertical silos. Displacement 949 tons. Length 74,1 meters, width 11,0 meters, height 6,57 meters, draft 2,6 meters. The maximum speed is 25 knots. Cruising range - 2500 miles, autonomy - 10 days. Crew - 52 people. A water-jet propulsion unit is installed.

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[Jacket in stock]

But I wonder how much cheaper it would be to build 4 IskanderK launchers?

[KCA]

Meaning? The KR 9K728 has an officially announced range of up to 500 km, so far no one has talked about the changes, although I think they added it, about the "Caliber" they say the range is 1500 km with a conventional warhead, the "Iskander-K" does not have anti-ship missiles, which somehow does not ice, and "Caliber" has a variant of anti-ship missiles

[The black]

As the navy say: "Seven feet under the keel"

[Jacket in stock]

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"Iskander-K" does not have anti-ship missiles, that there is somehow no ice on the ship,

And what prevents you from adding an anti-ship missile launcher to Iskander's software?

[Barberry25]

well, for starters, it will then be necessary to add not a launch module, but a whole target designation machine

[Jacket in stock]

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then you will need to add not a launch module, but a whole target designation machine

Yes, like be, such a machine is already included in the kit.
Yes, and Buyan himself also does not know how to shoot without third-party target designation.

[Barberry25]

PPI is not a target designation machine), I know about Buyan, but everything you need is there, And if you propose to make a DBK from OTRK, then you need a self-propelled radar

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Barberry25

need a self-propelled radar

The same as for the Buyans. For "everything you need" is not everything there.

[Barberry25]

and how can you deliver Iskanders to the Mediterranean 3 km from the border? No need to suffer garbage and replace "why do we need Buyans, because you can build Iskanders," one wrote, the rest picked up, with the same success, you can remove the fleet, because there is " Iskanders" and then remove the Iskanders, because there are "Yarsy"

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Barberry25

3 km from the border will you deliver to the Mediterranean?

Buyan? For 3000 km?
Are you confusing anything?
Frigates are usually designed for this.
And if, due to poverty, we have to drive boats into the distance, they don’t go far from the port anyway. With exactly the same success, Iskanders could have been brought to Khmeimim.

[Barberry25]

"with exactly the same success" we don't need an army) there is a Strategic Missile Forces ...

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Barberry25

we don’t need an army) there is a Strategic Missile Forces ...

This is just about Buyan in Syria. For he does not know how to do anything but "gasp" for 2000 km. And for the tasks of the fleet, it is completely useless and the sailors have to throw hand grenades into the bay to prevent saboteurs.
But if instead of a "super-super-rocket" it had a normal HAC, it would really perform the functions of security and defense.

[Barberry25]

I’ll tell you a secret, even on the frigate "sailors throw grenades", since the search for saboteurs is the task of another service and boats like Grachonok.

[venik]

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And for the tasks of the fleet, it is completely useless

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But if instead of a "super-super-rocket" it had a normal HAC, it would really perform the functions of security and defense.

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"...The trouble is, since the shoemaker will start the pies, and the pieman will sew the boots ... "(I.A. Krylov)
What other "pearl of wisdom" can be expected from you today?

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: venik

What other "pearl of wisdom" can be expected from you today?

Well, if I'm talking nonsense, let someone tell me the thread intelligibly what kind of security and defense tasks these superboats perform in Syria.
And then here only options are offered - to get lost somewhere in the skerries or to freeze into ice in the vastness of the Volga.

[venik]

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Well, if I'm talking nonsense, let someone tell me the thread intelligibly what kind of security and defense tasks these superboats perform in Syria.

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Yes elementary! They are able to keep American AUGs throughout the Eastern Mediterranean (from Italy to the Syrian coast in a state of complete nervous tension! At the same time, these "superboats" themselves (if they are located in the Aegean archipelago, it is extremely difficult to detect and track, almost impossible!
As for other areas: the AUG can strike along the coast from a distance of ~ 1800 km (aircraft) to ~ 2000 km ("Tomohawks"). DBK "Bastion" (our most long-range) - hits only 600 km .... These are exactly the functions that RTOs perform - each of them is essentially 1.5 thousand km advanced (from the base point) 2 (TWO) divisions DBK "Bastion" .....
Next - think for yourself!

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: venik

RTOs - each of them is, in fact, 1.5 (TWO) divisions of the Bastion DBK deployed 2 thousand km (from the base point).

Well Duc exactly about this I'm talking to you here.
Bring 2 divisions of Bastion / Iskander, put it on the bank under the bush and voila ....
Although...
The Americans seem to be talking about the INF Treaty again, maybe it will come in handy.

[venik]

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Well Duc exactly about this I'm talking to you here.
Bring 2 divisions of Bastion / Iskander, put it on the bank under the bush and voila ....

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WHERE do you bring it? On the "shores" of WHAT? Islands of the Aegean archipelago? Who will let you? Greeks? So they are in NATE! Turks? So they are right there!

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: venik

On the "shores" of WHAT?

Syria knows.
Or do you think that Buyan is able to really sail somewhere far from the coast?

[venik]

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Syria knows.
Or do you think that Buyan is able to really sail somewhere far from the coast?

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And how far will they (DBK) shoot from the Syrian shores ??? To Italy???
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Or do you think that Buyan is able to really sail somewhere far from the coast?

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And HOW did they "Buyans" get from the Black Sea to the Baltic through Gibraltar and the Bay of Biscay? How many miles are there?

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: venik

And HOW did they "Buyans" get from the Black Sea to the Baltic through Gibraltar and the Bay of Biscay? How many miles are there?

Are you seriously?
Through Biscay?!
River-sea boats?!
Do you want to go through the Volga-Don Canal?
And not from the Baltic, but from the Caspian.
And in the Baltic, knowledgeable people write that they can only hide along the bays and skerries, and not go to the Bay of Biscay.

[venik]

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Are you seriously?
Through Biscay?!
River-sea boats?!
Do you want to go through the Volga-Don Canal?

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Yes! Through the Volga-Don Canal ( ), and on the way we went to Da Valletta and Ceuta ( ):

(Malta, October 9, 2016, Zeleny Dol (above) and Serpukhov (below) enter the port of La Valletta during an inter-fleet passage to the Baltic)
How are you with geography? Or is it also a "victim of the exam"?
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And not from the Baltic, but from the Caspian.

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The pepper is clear that it is not from the Baltic! You can go from the Baltic to the Baltic only by "round the world"! And the Volga-Don Canal somehow does not fit into the "around the world" ......
In addition: neither "Serpukhov" nor "Zeleny Dol" have NEVER been in the Caspian (from the word - AT ALL!)
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And in the Baltic, knowledgeable people write, they can only hide in creeks and skerries

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"Knowing" people generally write a lot of things .... But, if you are not one of them, then why get into the discussion? In such cases, it is better to remain silent and not disgrace .... And then, as today - (Sorry! ) "put your finger in ....." Well, we will not specify - "where" ....

[Reserve buildbat]

Don't waste your time. This jacket is not in stock, but in insanity. The usual stupid illiterate troll.

[Tomcat_Tomcat]

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And what prevents you from adding an anti-ship missile launcher to Iskander's software?

basically, nothing. OTRK "Iskander" has the ability to launch cruise missiles of the R-500 (9M728) type, which are very close in weight and size parameters to the missiles of the Caliber family. The only thing. what is required is a missile interface module, as well as the refinement of the autopilot programming device (inertial guidance system).
Why didn't they do it? Probably, KR "Caliber" 3M-14 on the "Iskanders" will appear very soon, and anti-ship missiles 3M-54 were not installed, probably based on the jurisdiction of the complex and its purpose.
There are no technical problems to "attach" anti-ship missiles of the Caliber family to the Iskander. Yes, and there should be no problems with Onyx, missiles are coming to the TPK.

But still, no DBK and universal OTRK will replace ships.

[Tomcat_Tomcat]

Since the United States withdrew from the INF Treaty, and after them we did, now nothing prevents the installation of long-range cruise missiles on Iskanders (previously they could put missiles with a range not exceeding 500 km)

[venik]

Quote from Tomcat_Tomcat

Why didn't they do it?

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Are you sure about this (in the sense that "didn't do it")? Did you think well???
And this, then what???

(Complex "Caliber-M")
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Quote from Tomcat_Tomcat

Probably, the KR "Caliber" 3M-14 on the "Iskanders" will appear very soon, and the RCC 3M-54 was not installed, probably based on the jurisdiction of the complex and its purpose.

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We're late! It's been there for a long time! This is Caliber-M!
Each launcher has 4 missiles 3M-54, 3M-54-1 and 3M14
Mass production did not begin, due to the fact that the complex fell under the restrictions of the INF Treaty (although according to some reports, 2 divisions of 4 launchers are still in service). After withdrawing from the Treaty, they promised to begin large-scale production in the event of US attempts to deploy INF in Europe.

[Tomcat_Tomcat]

Quote: venik

Did you think well???

did you read it carefully? can you read at all?

Quote: venik

And this, then what???

Quote from Tomcat_Tomcat

OTRK "Iskander" has the ability to launch cruise missiles of the R-500 type (9M728)

this is what, SPU 9P78-1 of the Iskander complex with 9M728 cruise missiles

Quote: venik

We're late! It's been there for a long time! This is Caliber-M!

Quote: venik

promised to start large-scale production in the event of US attempts to deploy INF in Europe

Gathered and promised - does not mean that they did. To promise - does not mean to marry. When the Iskander with anti-ship missiles was put into service and its production began, in which units (or at least VO) was it delivered?

The INF Treaty prohibited the testing, production and deployment of land-based missile systems with a range of more than 500 km. Are you implying that Russia violated the Treaty?

We recently had news here about the adoption of the Otvet PLRK. By the way, these 91P torpedo missiles have been shown since the 2000s, and after the wide premiere of Caliber in 2015, many were sure that they had long been stuffed with launchers of ships and TA submarines. Since then the torpedo rocket was positioned as one of the products of the Caliber complex. And what is the result?
In 2020, the completion of Gosov and adoption into service.

I recommend that you read carefully, and also operate with facts, and not speculation and Wishlist.

[venik]

Quote from Tomcat_Tomcat

did you read it carefully? can you read at all?

Quote from Tomcat_Tomcat

OTRK "Iskander" has the ability to launch cruise missiles of the R-500 type (9M728)

this is what, SPU 9P78-1 of the Iskander complex with 9M728 cruise missiles

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and you carefully watched? you at all look know how?
This is SPU 9P78-1 of the Iskander complex ("Iskander-K") with 9M728 cruise missiles:

And this is the launcher of the Kalibr-M mobile missile system (export designation Club-M): I picked up a similar angle especially for you:

The complex is designed to organize anti-ship defense and imparting combat stability to objects of the coastal zone, as well as the destruction of a wide range of stationary (sedentary) ground targets.
The complex includes:
- self-propelled launcher (SPU),
transport-charging machines (TZM),
- winged missiles 3М-54, 3М-54-1 и 3М14 in transport and launch containers (TPK),
- technical support machine,
- communication and control machine,
- missile support and storage equipment.
SPU includes from 4 to 6 TPK with missiles

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Quote from Tomcat_Tomcat

Gathered and promised - does not mean that they did. To promise - does not mean to marry. When the Iskander with anti-ship missiles was put into service and its production began, in which units (or at least VO) was it delivered?

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"Iskander" with anti-ship missiles ("Onyx" / "Yakhont") is called the DBK K-700 "Bastion"

Adopted in 2010, is in service with:
11th brigade BAV and 15th brigade BRAV (Black Sea Fleet);
520th Separate Coastal Brigade (Pacific Fleet) from also separate divisions of the Northern Fleet and BF. In total, more than 52 launchers.
In conclusion:
I recommend that you read carefully and study the topic more carefully.!!!
For this, I hope the topic is exhausted? There seems to be nothing more to discuss.

[Tomcat_Tomcat]

Quote: venik

That "Caliber-NK" ("Caliber-PL") and "Answer" are the same thing ???

misrepresented themselves - they were indignant? Ay young man) I have long understood your way of conducting dialogues:
1 - Do not understand the interlocutor
2- pretend to be very offended by "this very wrong"
3 - write "correctly".

Quote: venik

"Answer" is a further development of the "anti-submarine" component of the "Caliber", but with the same missiles it never occurred to you?

which was adopted in 2020. Although it was shown for the first time almost 20 years ago. That's what I wrote, thanks for not passing by, come again.

[Tomcat_Tomcat]

Quote: venik

We're late! It's been there for a long time! This is Caliber-M!

Also, you have the wrong address. You should have addressed your remarks not to me, but to those who do not believe and doubt in the possibility and necessity of equipping the Iskander with anti-ship missiles.

[venik]

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Also, you have the wrong address. You should have addressed your remarks not to me, but to those who do not believe and doubt in the possibility and necessity of equipping the Iskander with anti-ship missiles.

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And what the hell is it asking to put ANTI-SHIP missiles on the Iskander?
PS I can only congratulate "...not believers и doubters in the possibility and necessity of equipping the Iskander with anti-ship missiles..." - these are SMART people who perfectly understand the whole difference between DBK and OTRK!
PPS Well, if you still have not understood the difference, then I will gladly explain to you!

[Tomcat_Tomcat]

Quote: venik

And what the hell is it asking to put ANTI-SHIP missiles on the Iskander?

Quote: venik

It's been there for a long time! This is Caliber-M!

Quote: venik

"Iskander" with anti-ship missiles ("Onyx" / "Yakhont")

Quote from Tomcat_Tomcat

and anti-ship missiles 3M-54 were not installed, probably based on the jurisdiction of the complex and its purpose.

Quote: venik

Smart people

do not lose the thread of the discussion. Read who wrote what

[venik]

Quote from Tomcat_Tomcat

do not lose the thread of the discussion and understand what they read

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Undoubtedly! I'm not talking about this anymore!
PS Well, as for the comparison of the Iskander-K OTRK and the Bastion DBK, I was sure that you would somehow understand how the analogy And fundamental differences.... But it looks like I was wrong!

[Tomcat_Tomcat]

Take everything you wrote to your address - it will be as accurate as possible!

[venik]

Quote from Tomcat_Tomcat

Take everything you wrote to your address - it will be as accurate as possible!

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WHAT FOR? Unlike you, my dear, I try not to write obvious nonsense. And therefore, I don’t see any point in “attributing what was written to my address”!
PS By the way, you didn't answer the question: understand whether the difference between DBK and OTRK?

[Romario_Argo]

Iskanders are of course good and the BTA transfers them in a matter of hours
But the Fleet should still be (!)
as an option, Buyan-M can be transferred for reinforcement or as PR campaign of the Ministry of Defense through the Belomor canal to Arkhangelsk, or along the Volga to the Caspian or Azov and to the Black Sea

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Romario_Argo

The fleet should still be (!)

Yes, who would argue.
But.
Seaworthiness - zero.
Air defense - zero.
PLO - zero.
What is the use of such ships for the fleet?

[Romario_Argo]

What is the use of such ships for the fleet?

under the cover of our air defense in the near sea zone, not even a bad gain
8 SLCMs per RTO
by air defense, I mean S-300/400 air defense systems, and intersecting paper clips patrols on Su-27/30/35

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Romario_Argo

under the cover of our air defense in the near sea zone, not even a bad gain

In the BMZ, they will be calmly replaced by coastal SCRCs - the same Bastions. Which will be covered by the same air defense. And finding which will be much more difficult.

[Liam]

Quote: Alexey RA

And finding which will be much harder

))) Well, yes ... before the first inclusion of the radar

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Liam

))) Well, yes ... before the first inclusion of the radar

EMNIP, the "Bastion" has radars and launchers placed on different vehicles, so that they can "scatter across the terrain" from each other, and the launch can be performed even after the radar is hit. But on RTOs, launchers will not be able to escape from the radar - when launched on the radar, the entire ship will be hit, including the launcher.
Yes, and masking land MAZs and BASEs is easier than RTOs on the water.

[Liam]

Quote: Alexey RA

Radar and PU placed on different machines

Without radar complex-heap of iron)

Yes, and masking land MAZs and BAZs is easier than RTOs on water

There are about a dozen cars there ... with a bunch of electronic and telecommunication activity. Practically immobile when deployed. Videos from Karabakh, Syria, Libya speak quite eloquently about efficiency disguise...

[Romario_Argo]

but, bprk and mrk is a great stability

[Grits]

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What is the use of such ships for the fleet?

Well, for example, why is there air defense and anti-aircraft defense in the Caspian Sea? And they have already shown the benefit. It's from there.
And they can bring this benefit all the way from the Black Sea to the White Sea, from the Caspian to the Baltic. And from any interval of the Volga or Ladoga

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Gritsa

from the Black Sea to the White, from the Caspian to the Baltic. And from any interval of the Volga or Ladoga

No, not from anyone. And the Volga freezes in winter.
But the Iskander battery with 9K729 can really shoot from anywhere, and plus at any time.

[venik]

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But I wonder how much cheaper it would be to build 4 IskanderK launchers?

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And if you count "Buyan-M" for tanks, then uuuuuuu!!! Well, if on Kalashnikov assault rifles - then finally - "hit" !!! ( )

[paul3390]

I wonder what to do in the Baltic for a steamship with no air defense? How long will he live there? And with Caliber - it would be cheaper to smack from Kaliningrad ..

[bk316]

I wonder - what should a steamship do in the Baltic with no air defense?

Two thirds of the Baltic are covered by OUR air defense.
Just in two seas (Black and Baltic), such boats without air defense can fight for a long time.
The question is different, such ships can only be considered as a step towards more solid projects. Well, it seems to be so - they are completing the series.

[paul3390]

Two thirds of the Baltic are covered by OUR air defense.

Duc - there and the forces of NATO, mother do not cry !! Do you seriously believe that our air defense will knock down all anti-ship missiles? I think that even without a steamboat he will find something to do .. Kaliningrad would be covered with high quality ..

[bk316]

And I'm not even talking about Kaliningrad. I'm talking about the Leningrad region.
You just don't understand "Buyan" by the standards of the USSR, this is a missile boat, such as "Lightning".
Released anti-ship missiles and back to base.
And since even Zircon fits into 3С14, then right from Ust-Luga you can control the entire Baltic and from Kaliningrad also the straits.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: bk316

"Buyan" is, by the standards of the USSR, a missile boat, such as "Lightning".

Mosquito carried melee missiles, and Buyan was very long-range, he, as you correctly wrote, can be launched directly from the pier. Accordingly, the very meaning of the ship is lost, a truck or even a "barn" will do just fine.
And Zircon does not fit into it, heavy.

[bk316]

And Zircon does not fit into it, heavy.

Learn the materiel 2 pieces fit perfectly.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: bk316

2 pieces fit perfectly

And who will he shoot with them in the Baltic?

[Tiksi-3]

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And who will he shoot with them in the Baltic?

And who will be naughty at Buyan in the Baltic?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: bk316

And since even Zircon fits into 3С14, then right from Ust-Luga you can control the entire Baltic and from Kaliningrad also the straits.

Why build RTOs in order to control the entire Baltic directly from the base?
Wouldn't it be cheaper to build a regimental set of Iskanders or Bastions instead? They are easier to disguise.

[Romario_Argo]

that our air defense will knock down all anti-ship missiles?

apparently you do not quite understand what air defense is (!)
these are not only 4 dispersed positions of S-400 anti-aircraft divisions with bk 128 missiles in a salvo
these are also air patrols - intersecting paper clips - 2 fighters each with 6 missiles
Our Su-27/30/35 have a range of 3500 km, in connection with this they patrol at a distance of 150-300 km from the air base (covered by the way S-400 air defense systems) winding ovals (paper clips) with a range of 600 km for 3-4 circles at subsonic speed.
Few people know this so there is no understanding (!)

Kaliningrad would be covered with high quality ..

near Kaliningrad
2 S-400 air defense systems are 4 dispersed overlapping air defense missile systems = 128 missiles in a salvo
+ 4 paper clips of 2 = 8 fighters x 6 = 48 missiles
+ 2-minute readiness 2 fighters x 6 = 12 missiles
+ 15 minute readiness for 10 more fighters x 6 = 60 missiles
it turned out 128 air defense systems + 120 missile fighters. Total 248 missiles
and there is also S-300V4
and there is also such a thing as military preparations - we will multiply the air defense forces

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Romario_Argo

+ 15 minute readiness for 10 more fighters

Can you tell me the flight time of the Polish and Lithuanian Himars?

[Romario_Argo]

Can you tell me the flight time of the Polish and Lithuanian Himars?

you need it at the radar Sky, Niobium - ask
the tribalts will soon be fighting the Bolsheviks, they are not up to us
their industry is closing down, a square hour is 500 rubles, which will not be there in six months due to the withdrawal from BREL, gas at 150 rubles per cubic meter.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Romario_Argo

their industry is shutting down

And how will this prevent their missiles from flying?
Moreover, the order to give, if anything, will be completely different people who do not care about the problems of the natives.

[Romario_Argo]

And how does this prevent their rockets from flying?

it's called war preparations
I would not recommend (!)
- but it would be interesting to see the suicide bombers live

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Romario_Argo

it would be interesting to see the suicide bombers live

Any soldier takes an oath, by definition, signs on suicide bombers.

[Romario_Argo]

not 20 - did not take into account 1 side.
72 air base in Chernyakhovsk: 10 Su-27, 3 Su-27UB, 8 Su-30SM = 21

[Barberry25]

Buyan was developed by order of the Ministry of Defense, they wrote down the requirements, now the requirements are written for Karakurt, the problem is that they do not take into account the industry, which ultimately led to a delay in the deadlines, and given the inadequate requirements for air defense, the ship will cost like a small corvette of the first series. .For the fleet you need a mass product with a small budget, even to the detriment of some performance characteristics

[bk316]

.For the fleet you need a mass product with a small budget, even to the detriment of some performance characteristics

People keep forgetting that RTOs are not drummers, they just demonstrated Caliber in Syria. And imagine that somewhere in bays, skerries and even rivers at a distance of 700 km from you dangle 3-4 such boats with a total salvo of 8 Zircons. Anything expensive and serious will climb to the Baltic? This is called asymmetric measures for the control of the water space.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: bk316

somewhere in bays, skerries and even rivers at a distance of 700 km from you, 3-4 such boats hang out with a total salvo of 8 Zircons.

Zircons do not fit into it.
Bays and rivers freeze in winter.
From 700 km, you can launch such rockets from trucks, and all year round, and without rivers and skerries.

[bk316]

Zircons do not fit into it.

Read the performance characteristics, maybe you will find out something interesting, well, at least what Zircon is written through And also that he has the same requirements for the launcher as for Onyx, and the brawler can, and as I understand it, already carries 2 onyx.

From 700 km, you can launch such rockets from trucks, and all year round, and without rivers and skerries

Don't talk nonsense, it hurts her. Do not confuse Zircon and Caliber, no one has made a container launch for Zircon and does not seem to be going to.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: bk316

Do not confuse Zircon and Caliber, no one has made a container launch for Zircon and does not seem to be going to.

Yes, it seems right here on this site the other day they wrote that they were already putting him in the Bastion.

[Romario_Argo]

but you can only deliver a floating workshop to Venezuela and a pair of RTOs of the Karakurt type to an ordinary seaport
voila - the threat is created
I don’t think that MRK Buyan-m will swim across the Atlantic
and under the OTRK, importing air defense systems, infrastructure, etc. is very expensive

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Romario_Argo

under OTRK, importing air defense systems, infrastructure, etc. - very expensive

Will the floating workshop and boats of the type do without air defense systems?
Although the idea is certainly interesting.

[Romario_Argo]

S-300V4, BPRK Bastion near Venezuela are already on alert

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Romario_Argo

S-300V4, BPRK Bastion near Venezuela are already on alert

And why are they enough to cover the port with ships, but there is no longer a coastal base?

[Romario_Argo]

in general, they want S-400 for the air defense of the country, I think they will agree soon
can the island of Orchila us will sell
we can really place the bases of the Navy, VKS, air defense
+ beach for conscripts and officers' wives - beauty

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Romario_Argo

maybe Orchila Island will be sold to us
we can actually place the base of the Navy, Aerospace Forces, Air Defense there

Ага.
First, change your constitution.
It's fantastic.
And about the "real base" here it has already been chewed and chewed, for this a resource is needed, which we do not currently have, and is not even planned.

[Romario_Argo]

will sell

First change your constitution

no need to change anything
just sell with the right to resell only back
and grandmothers will be S-400, Su-35, diesel-electric submarines, frigates, corvettes, radars, SLCM / VB, etc.

[Barberry25]

so yes, but in the future, for the development of the fleet, a mass product is needed, and we have an undercorvette from SuperKarakurt

[Jacket in stock]

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such boats without air defense can fight for a long time.

Yes, how be, they will not be able to fight for a long time. Five minutes for a salvo and that's it, the war is over.

[bk316]

More is not needed. Once again: these are missile boats. A volley - 2 zircons are gone if there is no avik guaranteed from the SBC. Yes, even ticandeogi or berk, Avik Aradli will climb into the Baltic.

[Jacket in stock]

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A volley - 2 zircons are gone if there is no avik guaranteed from the SBC.

Avika?!
In the Baltic?!

[KCA]

Wouldn't it be easier to hit enemy S-400 aircraft from Kaliningrad? They are there, and if the KR breaks through, finish off from the ship's AK-630-2 and A-190? Then "Buyan" has a water cannon, you can drive it somewhere into the creek, where no one will find it

[Jacket in stock]

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it can be driven somewhere into the creek, where no one will find it

Ha, funny tactics of war, right according to Zadornov - jump to the side, pretend to be a rag and do not shine.

[KCA]

So this is not a dreadnought to get close to the enemy at full speed and start firing at each other from cannons

[Alexey RA]

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Then "Buyan" has a water cannon, you can drive it somewhere into the creek, where no one will find it

Libyans in the early 80s also thought so. Exactly until the moment when their RTO, disguised as a fishing vessel, was discovered, classified and hit after the first inclusion of an emergency radar for the fisherman.

[Pivot]

We'll be sure to cheat, but not now)))

[VVK]

Lord! Let me remind you that this and other similar MKR projects were a necessary measure due to the previously existing Treaty on the Ban on Intermediate and Short-Range Land-Based Missiles. We are currently not limited to this document due to the withdrawal of the US.

[TermNachTer]

Great news, as they say: "Seven feet under the keel."

[Looking for]

That's when it comes to the Baltic. - Then report it.

[Sergey3]

And where was water found in Zelenodolsk? On the Volga, the ice is half a meter thick, so the trucks can withstand it.