"Putin's Chess Party": Western experts are alarmed by the talks between the presidents of Russia and Cuba

About an hour ago, telephone conversations between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Cuban President Miguel Diaz-Canel ended. The Kremlin press service reports that the talks were devoted to the topic of trade and economic cooperation, as well as the joint fight against the pandemic.

However, foreign experts, who have recently been following literally every action and word of Vladimir Putin, singled out a completely different context for the meeting. In particular, one can say that Western experts are alarmed by the very fact that the presidents of Russia and Cuba have been talking on the phone.

From the messages of the Kremlin press service, the following phrase stands out:

Issues of further coordination of the actions of the two countries in the international arena in accordance with the principles of strategic partnership and traditions of friendship and mutual understanding were discussed. The intention to work closely together to strengthen bilateral relations was confirmed, and it was agreed to intensify contacts at various levels.

In particular, the West believes that while NATO is openly engaged in the transfer of its troops to Eastern Europe and pays special attention to the “high concentration of Russian troops on the borders of Ukraine”, Moscow can make a move that will “nullify” US actions in Europe. It got to the point that any mention of the presidents of Russia and Cuba in one text is perceived as some kind of "secret agreement" almost on the deployment of hypersonic strike systems near the US borders.

It is pointed out that in the case of deployment of Russian hypersonic missiles in Cuba, their flight time to US technology centers in Texas will be only 3-4 minutes.

Western hysteria is fueled by the fact that just a few days ago, Vladimir Putin held talks with another Latin American leader, Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro. The ambassador's statement that the Venezuelan constitution does not allow the creation of foreign military bases in the country did not dissuade Western political scientists and the military that Russia was allegedly negotiating a military presence "in the backyard of the United States."

In this regard, the negotiations themselves with the presidents of Venezuela and Cuba were called a kind of chess game by Vladimir Putin.

Comments

[Kayala]

And actually why not?! It's time to cool the Yankees, otherwise they will really bring it to war. They are trying too hard, we should land before we all take off.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Kayala

should have landed

It's better to ground

[Kayala]

And that's true! Tired of the nits already.
Maybe all the same it will happen to live up to the Washington Tribunal.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Kayala

And that's true! Tired of the nits already.

And small-shaven in the tighter hole

[SKVichyakow]

I just don’t understand why they were alarmed in Europe? It seems that they do not have it, you should rejoice. It's in the US let them twitch.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: SKVichyakow

I just don’t understand why they were alarmed in Europe? It seems that they do not have it, you should rejoice.

The small British still believe in the mass consciousness that Churchill's biggest foreign policy victory and merit is that he "managed to turn" Hitler away from the invasion of their Island towards Russia. America, although the flesh of the flesh "child" of the small-shaven, has long outgrown the "mother" and will do EVERYTHING possible to divert the "bloody aggressor" from America to Europe.

In the next thread, I just said that America needs a second "Marshall Plan" like air. Do not lick your own wounds from our missiles from Cuba, Venezuela or somewhere else, namely, "restore Europe." With American money, allowing American corporations to earn money. What will happen to Europe - they do not care. More devastation - faster America will come out of the crisis.

[EMMM]

Those whom you call small British are quite adequate people. They live in their own world, where almost no one is allowed.
But the edits of Britain are burrowing in full

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: EMMM

Those whom you call small British are quite adequate people. They live in their own world, where almost no one is allowed.

I don't give a damn about their petty British world. I don't need to go there. Let them not enter my world. And many others all over the planet. Then we will live in peace and harmony.
And it torments, poor things, phantom pain fallen teeth lost empire, "over which the sun never sets" - so they climb to shit where they don't ask.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

In the West, hysteria due to successful negotiations between Russia/Putin and Venezuela/Maduro and Cuba/Canel? This is good!

[EMMM]

I agree,
I just wanted to say that ordinary Englishmen and their rulers are in the same relationship as in any other country

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Zoldat_A

... "rebuild Europe". With American money, allowing American corporations to earn money. What will happen to Europe - they do not care.

I would like to clarify a little: for American loans.

[ada]

Now more fashionable words are used to mask the debt loop: stock loans, investments, exchange collateral, etc.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: ada

Now more fashionable words are used to mask the debt loop: stock loans, investments, exchange collateral, etc.

[EMMM]

So they sit under the "Dad"

[Pravodel]

I just don’t understand why they were alarmed in Europe? They don't seem to have...

They are afraid that the owner will run away, what will they do with Poles, Tribalts and various other yapping tobaccos without him.

[Guru]

It's better to ground

Nooo, it's better to underground :)

[Seryoga64]

Yes the same

[Guru]

Yes the same

Agree - + mine

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Guru

- + mine

And mine too

[alex neym_2]

Whether Russia will deploy its strike assets in Cuba is a very painful question for mattress covers. So, just by talking they can be put into a stupor. After all, it’s very scary when they whisper about you, and you don’t even know the topic.

[fruc]

alex neym_2
Whether Russia will deploy its strike assets in Cuba is a very painful question for mattress covers.

in the case of deployment of Russian hypersonic missiles in Cuba, their flight time to US technology centers in Texas will be only 3-4 minutes.

In this case, the US may not worry too much, it will be against drug trafficking and sea pirates!
And missiles can also be fired from the Arctic region.

[Guru]

I was very surprised in your video keyboard! In Latin - 0.20. Chinese or what?

[Avior]

there in Russian it was - "Task", "Ogre".

[Seryoga64]

Quote: frruc

and sea pirates!

Mostly Somali

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: frruc

In this case, the US may not worry too much, it will be against drug trafficking and sea pirates!

Why not . Of course exclusively against the pirates of the Caribbean ! And also against the possible invasion of the alien fleet on earth. Protection, so to speak, of planet earth with Russian hypersonic missiles. America doesn't have those. So let's show concern for the Omerigan people. For a good cause only...

[belovvladimir]

At the mattress covers, already the knees began to shake, they began to produce gas in the State Department of Fashington

[Real Pilot]

Chess... They are played by the rules.
We are peaceful people, but if the sharpers continue to cheat and are forced to hit them on the skull with a board, then let them not be offended!

[hohohol]

We are peaceful people, but if .....

Reminded:
We are peaceful people, when we are sober,
But for the peace of their native country
We, if necessary, will kill everyone
Just so that there is no war

[Orel]

Quote: Kayala

And actually why not?! It's time to cool the Yankees, otherwise they will really bring it to war. They are trying too hard, we should land before we all take off.

Nothing will change from this. Most likely, a new revolution will happen in Cuba, and in the "Cuban military department" it will suddenly be possible for local Cubans to acquire American-made ships, planes, helicopters and tanks with unmarked operators - "Cuban patriots" will tell the whole world.

[lucul]

Nothing will change from this. Most likely, a new revolution will happen in Cuba, and in the "Cuban military department" it will suddenly be possible for local Cubans to acquire American-made ships, planes, helicopters and tanks with unmarked operators

Yes, yes, yes, the Americans carried out 600 assassination attempts on Fidel Castro alone, over these 60 years they tried to carry out a coup every 10 years - and nothing, Cuba is still free and independent.
And then all of a sudden, once, and the Americans will make a successful coup, right? )))

[Avior]

After the Cuban Missile Crisis, one of the main terms of the agreement was that the Americans would not invade Cuba. Americans have been doing it ever since.
Put missiles in Cuba - break the agreement and untie the hands of the Americans. Cubans don't need it.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Avior

After the Cuban Missile Crisis, one of the main terms of the agreement was that the Americans would not invade Cuba. Americans have been doing it ever since.

More significant was the condition for the withdrawal of the American Jupiter missiles from Turkey. It was not advertised (in my opinion in vain), but it was carried out.
Since then, the United States has not deployed missiles with nuclear warheads in Turkey.
The Incirlik base does not directly violate this agreement.
The Cuban Missile Crisis was initiated precisely by the US deployment of Jupiter missiles in Turkey. The current situation is a copy of that one.

[Siberian54]

The agreement was aboutground-based missiles , without violating that agreement, you can create, as in Tartus, a repair base for the fleet. The BOD has arrived and is being repaired ....

[Kaufman]

Independent? Is it lying. Why was Guantanamo allowed to be hosted?

[Avior]

Allowed in 1903. The contract is indefinite.

[Xnumx vis]

Don't fuck the eagle! Make it to the Canadian border!

[Fedorov]

/Don't make fun. Not everyone has read books.

[Avior]

Not everyone has read books.

There are other options....

[Fedorov]

Your truth. But it's too expensive. Even politically.

[zontov79]

So long ago!

[dzvero]

Rumors about Cuba's request for possible accession to the CSTO may suddenly turn into a fact...

[Flooding]

Nicaragua might even be more interesting

[nnm]

So the Philippines does not hide its interest.

[Flooding]

Quote: nnm

So the Philippines does not hide its interest.

Philippines far from US territory

[nnm]

But not far from their military bases are the US Navy, US MC, which will greatly concern the United States.

[Flooding]

Quote: nnm

But not far from their military bases are the US Navy, US MC, which will greatly concern the United States.

of course, proximity to Indochina
and then there's Aukus

but the threat to the United States across the ocean already exists
a symmetrical answer can only be from the American continent

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Flood

Philippines far from US territory

Quote: nnm

But not far from their military bases US Navy, US MC

They diligently tried to prove to us that we don’t understand a damn thing in geography, therefore American missiles in Poland and Romania - "this is not against you, this is against Iran."

Looked at the map. From the Philippines to Guam, a couple of hundred kilometers closer than from Romania to Tehran. And the same to the Japanese, for example, Osaka. So why don't we say about our missiles in the Philippines "it's not against you, it's against ISIS"? Let them rummage around the globe, measure ...

[Seryoga64]

Quote: dzvero

Rumors about Cuba's request for possible accession to the CSTO may suddenly turn into a fact...

Very unpleasant for "partners"

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Seryoga64

Quote: dzvero

Rumors about Cuba's request for possible accession to the CSTO may suddenly turn into a fact...

Very unpleasant for "partners"

This is doubtful, although it sounds tempting. The CSTO provides for collective protection, and therefore the decision on membership in the bloc for new applicants is made collectively. Considering that the plane from Moscow to Cuba flies 10-12 hours, I can hardly imagine how, in the event of some kind of slaughter in Cuba, the transfer of the CSTO contingent from Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kazakhstan, Armenia will be carried out Transport aviation of Russia? And for the transfer of the Cuban military contingent to Russia, Cuba does not have enough money or resources at all. Here, Kazakhstan seems to be at hand, and transport workers probably made at least a hundred flights in order to deliver everyone there with equipment and other companions, and then take everyone back. No, Cuba and the CSTO are incompatible. This is the same as putting a golden bridle with a saddle on a donkey, but he will not become an Akhal-Teke horse from this. Cuba can only be considered as an observer or a priority partner in the CSTO. The only acceptable option is if Russia and Cuba enter into some kind of military cabal, in which Russia will gain access to Cuban territory for its military installations.

[Dikson]

logistics nullifies this project .. and we don’t have an ocean fleet. And airfields in Cuba can be easily bombed - so no help will arrive or land ..

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Dikson

logistics resets this projector..

Damn, well, you write to the Pentagon! you are near the hike so they don’t close their bases in Romania and Poland ... apparently they don’t know that logistics resets

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: SanichSan

Quote: Dikson

logistics resets this projector..

Damn, well, you write to the Pentagon! you are near the hike so they don’t close their bases in Romania and Poland ... apparently they don’t know that logistics resets

Have you tried to compare the resources of Europe and the Cuban Island?
Mattresses are not steamed because all of Europe maintains and feeds them.
The head of my friend is given not only to stuff porridge into it with a spoon and pour beer, in general, you can sometimes think about it, but this is apparently not about you.
Minus I return with pleasure

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Nyrobsky

Have you tried to compare the resources of Europe and the Cuban Island?

stop what are you talking about here? about the fact that Cuba will place something, or is it the CSTO and Russia?
you really are already talking nonsense O. Hawaii, maybe you also have the first economy in the world capable of supporting a large American naval base?
or do you want to say that several Russian missile bases for Cuba are an unbearable burden?
and the Russian Federation will maintain these bases and the weapons and personnel there will be Russian, just like at American military bases near our borders. or did you decide to dream up here that instead of American soldiers and American equipment, all sorts of Poles and Italians are roaming at American bases?
and so, you wrote bullshit about logistics. Our infrastructure already exists in Cuba, we have already been present there and we are present again, and it is not a problem to supplement this infrastructure with several divisions of rocket launchers. once a year, rotating personnel is also not a problem. Yes, and to contain this is also not a problem for Russia.
what do you think next?

Quote: Nyrobsky

The head of my friend is given not only to stuff porridge into it with a spoon and pour beer, in general, you can sometimes think about it, but this is apparently not about you.

have you looked in the mirror? the transition to rudeness betrays your lack of sane argumentation

Quote: Nyrobsky

Minus I return with pleasure

mutually and to the point

[Nyrobsky]

Have you read the CSTO treaty at all? Why are you so tight then?
Once again, slowly - the Treaty between Russia and Cuba is ONE thing, and the agreement with Cuba on its inclusion in the CSTO is ANOTHER, both in terms of functionality and costs. What could be wrong here????????

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Nyrobsky

Once again, slowly - the Treaty between Russia and Cuba is ONE thing, and the agreement with Cuba on its inclusion in the CSTO is ANOTHER, both in terms of functionality and costs.

she like! "this is another"
Let me remind you that I wrote that there is no logistical problem. considering how you jumped from logistics to the CSTO charter, do you admit the inconsistency of your arguments?
Have you read this agreement yourself? Judging by the level of your argument, they did not read it. well, read it! especially point 4. it is beneficial for both Cuba and Russia.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Nyrobsky

This is doubtful, although it sounds tempting

What you wrote below, I understand perfectly)
I like the idea of ​​what kind of panic there will be if only information about intent appears

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Nyrobsky

Considering that the plane from Moscow to Cuba flies 10-12 hours, I can hardly imagine how, in the event of some kind of slaughter in Cuba, the transfer of the CSTO contingent from Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kazakhstan, Armenia will be carried out

stop but from the USA to Romania the same number. it’s very strange for you ... that is, when the USA cuts 10-12 hours to Romania or Poland, this is the norm and everything works, but when Russia cuts the same amount to Cuba, nothing works?
there is clearly a flaw in your logical chains

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: SanichSan

Quote: Nyrobsky

Considering that the plane from Moscow to Cuba flies 10-12 hours, I can hardly imagine how, in the event of some kind of slaughter in Cuba, the transfer of the CSTO contingent from Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kazakhstan, Armenia will be carried out

stop but from the USA to Romania the same number. it’s very strange for you ... that is, when the USA cuts 10-12 hours to Romania or Poland, this is the norm and everything works, but when Russia cuts the same amount to Cuba, nothing works?
there is clearly a flaw in your logical chains

Sir, the text must not only be read, but also comprehended. If Russia and Cuba conclude an "among each other" agreement, then you can still turn around somehow, but Cuba's entry into the CSTO does not give absolutely NOTHING.
Are you seriously considering the fact that Cuba will pull the transfer of its contingent to our mainland, in the event of a cut on the territory of one of the CSTO members !? But within the framework of this collective security treaty, it is obliged to do this. Do you think Cuba is richer than the USA? Will you be a sponsor? Well, then there is no problem, you can accept Vanuatu in the CSTO.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Nyrobsky

Sir, the text must not only be read, but also comprehended. If Russia and Cuba conclude an "among each other" agreement, then you can still turn around somehow, but Cuba's entry into the CSTO does not give absolutely NOTHING.

to whom does it not give, and for sure does it not give?
Cuba gets the direct patronage of a nuclear superpower and a tangible increase in defense capabilities. Russia makes it possible to deploy offensive weapons in close proximity to the borders of its main geopolitical enemy, which, by the way, has already deployed such weapons near the borders of Russia.

Quote: Nyrobsky

Are you seriously considering the fact that Cuba will pull the transfer of its contingent to our mainland, in the event of a cut on the territory of one of the CSTO members !? But within the framework of this collective security treaty, it is obliged to do this.

Let me remind you that in such situations, the contingent is placed on a permanent basis. if this formality is so important, then they can deploy a group of Cuban military in Russia for a prompt response although this is a formality. the main thing is that the Russian Federation has enough opportunities to maintain a contingent in Cuba.

Quote: Nyrobsky

Do you think Cuba is richer than the USA? Will you be a sponsor?

sorry, what are we discussing here? to whom to sell, or is it still the deployment of its own military base in Cuba and Cuba's entry into the CSTO?

Quote: Nyrobsky

Well, then there is no problem, you can accept Vanuatu in the CSTO.

if necessary, why not? the Baltic states were taken to NATO. obviously by the fact that they are incredibly rich!

[Nyrobsky]

San Sanych, you are burning today
What you wrote can (and should) fit into an agreement between Cuba and Russia!!! But this cannot be done within the framework of the CSTO!!! These are different concepts, different contracts, different responsibilities. I don’t know how else to convey this idea to you.
Russia can pull ITS presence, and I did not deny this in the very first comment from which our discussion began. Here it is written in Russian -

Quote: Nyrobsky

The only acceptable option is if Russia and Cuba enter into some kind of military cabal, in which Russia will gain access to Cuban territory for its military installations.

What is wrong here?

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Nyrobsky

San Sanych, you are burning today
What you wrote can (and should) fit into an agreement between Cuba and Russia!!! But this cannot be done within the framework of the CSTO!!! These are different concepts, different contracts, different responsibilities. I don’t know how else to convey this idea to you.

finally gather your strength and read the CSTO treaty. paragraph 7 of the CSTO treaty read carefully.

Quote: Nyrobsky

Russia can pull ITS presence, and I did not deny this in the very first comment from which our discussion began.

finally, what are these colossal costs associated with joining the CSTO? there is not even a requirement to bring the army to NAT standards ... ugh ... CSTO! there are no requirements for mandatory participation in operations. All this is decided on the Council of the CSTO. there are no mandatory contributions of 2% of GDP invested in armaments. and there is no requirement for the mandatory presence of contingents of all CSTO countries on the territory of all CSTO countries. what kind of nonsense are you making up?
but at the same time there is clause 4 of the CSTO treaty, which is extremely important for both Cuba and the CSTO.
the only aggressor threatening Cuba has its own infrastructure all over the world (by the way, for some reason it doesn’t complain about logistics), including on the borders of the CSTO countries, so that in order to protect Cuba, the CSTO countries do not have to go to Cuba with all their kagal. the aggressor who needs to be beaten is already at hand.
Cuba receives serious support in the international arena and security guarantees, because from now on an attack on Cuba is tantamount to an attack on Russia, while Russia receives the legal right to place everything it wants in the immediate vicinity of its "partner".
Does this fact make you panic?

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: SanichSan

finally, what are these colossal costs associated with joining the CSTO? there is not even a requirement to bring the army to NAT standards ... ugh ... CSTO! there are no requirements for mandatory participation in operations. All this is decided on the Council of the CSTO. there are no mandatory contributions of 2% of GDP invested in armaments. and there is no requirement for the mandatory presence of contingents of all CSTO countries on the territory of all CSTO countries. what kind of nonsense are you making up?

Well, here you are, Cuba, while you join the CSTO a little more, and I, as you put it, perhaps "merge". I will not disturb you, so as not to scare the process

[Dikson]

And the transfer to Romania (since you clung to it) is not from the States, but from other bases. in Europe, you do not take into account in your reasoning? It will take us 12 hours to fly to the bombed airfields of Cuba, and they, from Germany, Spain, or Turkey and Greece, to your Romania - just spit .. that's all the reasoning ..

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Dikson

And the transfer to Romania (since you clung to it) is not from the States, but from other bases. in Europe, you do not take into account in your reasoning?

oops! and other bases are also not in the United States, but in some kind of Greece? that is, if they organized such an infrastructure, then in no case should we organize a similar one, despite the fact that we can and without hindrance? not, of course, the concept of "standing in a corner, taking off your pants and smearing your ass with Vaseline" has the right to life, but is not suitable for Russia. Zbigniew deceived you

Quote: Dikson

It will take us 12 hours to fly to the bombed airfields of Cuba, and they, from Germany, Spain, or Turkey and Greece, to your Romania - just spit .. that's all the reasoning ..

Excuse me, but what is the difference between a flight to bombed-out airfields in 12 hours from a flight to bombed-out airfields in a couple of hours? sit down and there and there is nowhere.
More recently, American generals popularly explained to you that they don’t have time to save the same Baltic states, despite the fact that their troops are already there, and they need a month to prepare. Month Carl! not a 2 hour flight. we do it operationally, in a day and a couple of days for the transfer. if it takes even a week, it's still within an acceptable time frame.
and most importantly, in order to protect the interests of Cuba, we do not need to shove the entire CSTO to Cuba, because the only one who threatens Cuba has his troops and bases right next to us. Is this expression "asymmetric response" familiar?
Well, what are the obstacles to the delivery of several missile divisions and the rotation of personnel once a year or half a year?

[Andrey Chizhevsky]

It would be nice to invite Serbia and the CSTO to the CSTO ..

[16112014nk]

telephone conversations between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Cuban President Miguel Diaz-Canel.

Preparation of operation "Anadyr 2.0"?

[1536]

Can't talk anymore?

[kventinasd]

Missiles in Cuba to be!
This is a defense against Iranian Islamists!

[Azis]

Missiles in Cuba to be! This is a defense against Iranian Islamists!

From the Taliban and in general ...

[Pandiurin]

Quote: kventinasd

Missiles in Cuba to be!
This is a defense against Iranian Islamists!

Hardly missiles with nuclear warheads.
In principle, there are plenty of other topics, for example, on the economy, or the supply of conventional weapons.

As a response to the United States in the short term, most likely Syria, against the backdrop of weapons 404 ....

The Syrians once again asked the Americans to get out of their territory.

In principle, the SAR may begin to behave more actively in those places where American bases are located. Placement of air defense that better controls these territories. Americans react very painfully to this, they even call it something like A2D. A space with no access for the actions of their aircraft.
Those. give them a no-fly zone. Deploy advanced MLRS with good, modern charges in sufficient quantities to destroy the American base in one go, completely burn it out.
Supply the Syrians with drones to adjust fire and strike at fuel trucks, pro-American Kurds and other barmaley.

American bases will be under the threat of destruction, strikes against the SAR forces may provoke a strike against US bases.

The states will have to get out, as they will not be able to give an answer.

Because further, the SAR Armed Forces are advancing close to the American bases, which, with resistance, will be destroyed. There will be a lot of squealing and threats, but nothing serious. Next, the Syrian military knocks on their gates with a butt and says "Yankee go hom."

[Kesha1980]

In principle, the SAR may begin to behave more actively in those places where American bases are located ..

This is a more realistic scenario than a repeat of Operation Anadyr. Yes, and a temporary ally and executor will not need to be persuaded and preferred. It is only necessary to allow and help in the calculations of the operation. The main thing is to "either captured or destroyed." Then there will be more sobering up in the "cowboys".

. The states will have to get out, as they will not be able to give an answer.

No, well, they can and will give an answer (they have bases in "Kuwaitis and other Arabs"). Only then will they become aggressors. If the Russian Federation and China begin to resent and the fixing of facts goes. Before, we were silent. Now they were "hushed up".

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Kesha1980

Before, we were silent. Now they were "hushed up".

But there was also a period when columns of fuel trucks were effectively destroyed ...

[smart ass]

Fantaseeerrr you called me

[Pandiurin]

Quote: Clever man

Fantaseeerrr you called me

Well, what is not)

In my opinion, the activation of uncomfortable circumstances for the United States in the SAR is much more real than missiles in Cuba.

It creates inconvenience for the United States, while there is no global threat to the US territory, a shift in emphasis from Ukraine, etc.

Again, let's see which coast six loaded BDKs are sailing to.

[stels_07]

even the Soviet Navy didn’t have much opportunity in the Caribbean, and if the Americans set up a blockade now, we won’t be able to do anything

[nnm]

And the United States did not remove the blockade from Cuba. But since then, air traffic has become much simpler.
But in reality, yes, the Caribbean Crisis 2.0 will be more than likely. On the other hand, missile defense in Europe, NATO bases in the Baltic States, Poland, Turkey, and so on. In Ochakiv, Ukraine, the Britons are building a base. One way or another, you have to answer. At a minimum, in the event of a local military conflict with the United States in Cuba, in Nicaragua, Venezuela, the Philippines, no one will be able to tell us anything about our interests in Ukraine. If they hit, we can hit too. Yes, the hysteria due to the hypocrisy of the West in the style of "this is different" will be the same, but in real politics, everyone will understand that the steps taken are the same.

[Kisa]

everything is in the price of the issue. if Madura survived the Venezuelan revolutions, then he still has a personal interest. we can no longer sell communism to Cubans ... but anyone who embarks on this path must be aware of what tough embago isolation will have to bear to switch to bread and water - North Korea will be envied because it is far from the States .... and all these costs for cr least Vova should cover from our budget .... but they need it

[Shiden]

I wonder what the agreements were after the Caribbean crisis of the USSR and the USA. Everyone knows the general wording. But there are vague doubts that there were such points that Cuba would hardly agree to deploy missiles. Let me explain how I see it that the USSR undertook not to help financially and materially revolutionary movements in Central and Latin America, and the United States not to take military action against Cuba. And according to history, it seems to be such a situation. In Nicaragua and El Salvador, Cuba supported the rebels with weapons, but not like the USSR, although they could make the US crap as opposed to Afghanistan, but this did not happen. The USA, on the contrary, in the 90s could easily displace Fidel. Yes, and Grenada showed that American imperialism was branded only for Soviet citizens on TV.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: stels_07

even the Soviet Navy didn’t have much opportunity in the Caribbean, and if the Americans set up a blockade now, we won’t be able to do anything

The blockade is a passed stage.
The "trading" ships of the USSR also went to the blockade. Accompanied by submarines.
Now they can also walk with containers on board, and this is more efficient than placing stationary points.

[stels_07]

now they can also arrest merchants, and we will do nothing there except for concern

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: stels_07

now they can arrest merchants

In order to slow down merchants in international waters, and even those undercover, the striped handles are too short for this. Everyone will be bruised.

[smart ass]

If only to supply by air ... I think it will get very expensive

[Thrifty]

But the Kremlin did not need to close our military facilities in Cuba for the sake of the West, and they have been talking about our military bases in Venezuela for a long time ..

[Arkadich]

Venezuela can be deleted immediately, the constitution does not allow it to have foreign armed bases.

[Thrifty]

Arkadich, remember Kozma Prutkov "to the sound of military ammunition, how contemptible are all the structures in the world"! The design is easy to rewrite when the question of survival is an edge ...

[Arkadich]

I agree, but amendments to the Venezuelan Constitution require confirmation by the population. And the connection between their survival and our military bases is not particularly traceable.

[Azis]

Union State as a way out. Yes, and the Constitution, also that ... we know, they have already passed.

[Arkadich]

First, let's deal with Belarus. Although Chavez strengthened the role of the president and turned Venezuela into a presidential republic, Maduro is only a pale copy of his predecessor.

[Sergej1972]

Venezuela, like all other Spanish-speaking countries in Latin America and Portuguese-speaking Brazil, has always been a presidential republic.

[MstislavHrabr]

We can also place something on their bases (lease for 10 years, with our instructors, of course ...)

[Arkadich]

Something is what? Either the base was transferred to another country and is part of it with all the consequences, or it is a kind of hotel.

[Emergency]

Their neighbors also do not allow, but who bothers? Although ... Venezuela is still a state, and not some kind of Ukraine there.

[smart ass]

Pha constitution??? What is it))))

[Waterways 672]

A holy place is never empty. Instead of ours, Cuba now has a powerful Chinese electronic intelligence center. After we "thrown" the Cubans, the Chinese came there.

[rocket757]

highlighted a completely different context of the meeting

and they sho, stood and held a candle, now they are "cutting the truth of the uterus"? Again and again they present their fantasies as the truth in the first instance?

[Vlad69]

Trolls the guarantor of the "hegemon" of the rap. "Hegemon" knows perfectly well that we will not place any missiles, it's stupid, but it's quite reasonable to show them on the sly.

[Andrey Moskvin]

The point was that Ostap played chess for the second time in his life...

[Azis]

By the way, against today's background of "mass calling"! The telephone code of Bolivia is +591 (even if there is no Morales, there is his fellow party member), Ecuador +593 (Lenin was there until May), and then, not America alone: ​​+63 Philippines, +84 Vietnam, and +381 Serbia, in in the end ("brothers" - will they not refuse?) ... Phone numbers, I think, will be found. That is, there is still somewhere to call and discuss "the topics of trade and economic cooperation, as well as the joint fight against the pandemic."

[Teador]

Well, NATU is moving its troops because there is all the INFRASTRUCTURE for the troops. And in Cuba everything needs to be rebuilt for the new IT WILL TAKE MORE THAN ONE YEAR. Well, there are not so stupid people sitting there, it’s easier to pull up a couple of submarines AND ABOUT THE CHESS PLAYER I somehow read the Rio news and I see that Trump supposedly called Pu a great chess player, although Anadulu and CCN, etc. wrote that Trump spoke about Erdogan and did not defuse the situation much
German Catholic priests declared themselves homosexual en masse and demanded reforms

[Kesha1980]

.German Catholic priests massively declared themselves homosexuals

Then they are "terrorists at the maximum level of the 96th level" - they call for punishment from heaven (the destruction of Soddom and Gomorrah), because they are obliged to believe in the veracity of Scripture.

Is this real info according to the requirements of these priests?

[ViacheslavS]

Yes, it would not be bad to place an electronic intelligence base in Cuba; with modern equipment, the effectiveness of such a base will greatly increase.

[CYM]

She seems to have remained there, only outdated and mothballed. From modern, maybe Murmansk-BN? And let's see who will quickly "turn off the iPhones" to whom.

[Moonsund]

Enough talking. First, agree, put the radar and systems, then there will be an argument. While you're naked, you're scaring the hedgehog. And the hedgehog is arrogant, for years of companionship, imagining himself the king of animals and the owner of the taiga. Do it, then tryndit

[Arkadich]

Well, we've talked about it. March all along the racks clamor here. As in the rhyme "and suddenly the bear appeared in the forest"

[sniperino]

Quote: Moonsund

Do it, then tryndit

This is not a business proposal. They do not come to the VO forum in order to conclude agreements and arrange arms supplies. Did you yourself come here on some business, that you turn on the director, or just goof off?

[north 2]

Can you dream? Don't fantasize, dream about. But since all Putin's victories so far have not been templates, exclusive and permanent, but recently there were negotiations with Serbia, Iran, and today there were negotiations with Cuba and in a week there will be negotiations with China, and the other day the CSTO immediately put things in order in Kazakhstan where Turkey's ears were sticking out and America, then the expansion of the CSTO to the parameters with the inclusion of Iran, China, Serbia, Cuba, Venezuela in the CSTO may not be a dream, but a reality. Moreover, everything can happen even faster and not waiting, than everything happened with the annexation of the Crimea. One can only imagine how the United States and NATO, from the beginning of that aggravation in Ukraine, observed and reconnoitered the situation around the most important strategic foothold in southern Europe - the Crimean peninsula. And only bam - and he is already Russian. I say that all the victories of Russia under Putin are not patterns. The victory in Crimea is different from the victory in Syria ... So even now the victory of the dissolution of NATO can do without a single shot, just like Putin's victory in the Crimea. This is the only thing that these victories can be similar to - a victory without a single shot .., but with a completely different strategy and tactics.

[TatarinSSSR]

Faith in the Commander-in-Chief is wonderful. It’s just that mistakes and decisions over the past 7 years have led to today’s sad moment.

[kill the fascist]

Initially, it was not necessary to leave Cuba. When Putin closed our base, it was already clear then that this was a mistake. Calling the Cubans is more like trolling. But I think we have some kind of ace up our sleeve. Putin is not one of those guys who will bluff without having good cards and a plan B in hand. If the mattresses don't blink, we will need to take the next step, otherwise we will lose face. And something tells me our next step is planned.

[TatarinSSSR]

Someone, well, especially smart, explain how Russian hypersonic missiles in Cuba (I won’t even discuss that this is not real, this is clear to anyone) will be able to stop US-European sanctions and other intrigues that they staged in the West against Russia? How can they affect US bans on other countries buying Russian weapons and so on? How will they stop the introduction of new and new sanctions? NO WAY. From the word at all. They will only be needed for a retaliatory strike. If they can get started. For it would be very stupid for the US and NATO to shoot missiles from Ukraine at Moscow without simultaneously hitting the launchers of Russian missiles in Cuba and somewhere else near America. Therefore, our missiles are useless there in peacetime.

[Arkadich]

Someone not very smart, this is my personal opinion, the point is not how they can affect sanctions, it's like a chess piece may not hit the whole game, but carry a potential threat. Here is the difference, in principle, after how long a warhead will reach you in 7 or 15 minutes. ABM intercepts only a part, and even then in strategic directions.

[TatarinSSSR]

I will tell you one secret, which apparently was not previously known to you - nuclear missiles on nuclear submarines of the USA, Great Britain, and France pose a potential threat to Russia every minute. Now you know. And nothing. What has changed for you in life? Do they somehow affect how you eat to work, have lunch, walk, how the whole country lives its life? No way. And also rockets in Cuba and anywhere. And the flight time to Moscow is not important, because the command posts are located not only in Moscow. And the president does not always sit in his office in the Kremlin. And he's not the only one making decisions about retaliation.

[Arkadich]

Why did you spill such a secret to everyone? But if you read my comment, then I wrote the same, but about placing something anywhere, this is a demonstration of your capabilities and, accordingly, the opportunity to bargain for any goodies.

[Ural resident]

Quote: TatarinSSSR

I will tell you one secret, which apparently was not previously known to you - nuclear missiles on nuclear submarines of the USA, Great Britain, and France pose a potential threat to Russia every minute. Now you know. And nothing. What has changed for you in life? Do they somehow affect how you eat to work, have lunch, walk, how the whole country lives its life? No way. And also rockets in Cuba and anywhere. And the flight time to Moscow is not important, because the command posts are located not only in Moscow. And the president does not always sit in his office in the Kremlin. And he's not the only one making decisions about retaliation.

They constantly pose a threat and at a certain parity we don’t worry about them, but if the parity is violated, for example, with the deployment of missiles in Ukraine, the Baltic states, etc., then someone’s hands may itch in order to resolve a long-standing geopolitical dispute, and then these submarines will play decisive role in the absence of a retaliatory strike.

[lucul]

Someone, well, especially smart, explain in what way Russian hypersonic missiles in Cuba (I won’t even discuss that this is not real, this is clear to anyone) will be able to stop US-European sanctions and other intrigues that they staged in the West against Russia?

Are you familiar with the term "power projection"? . If not, then read it, then you will not ask such questions.
When starting from the territory of Russia, the ICBM takes a certain time to reach America. This is almost enough time for the Zionist elite to take refuge in their bunkers. The fact that ordinary Americans die is of little concern to them, the main thing is that they stay alive. The deployment of our hypersonic missiles (nuclear-filled) in Cuba will reduce the flight time of missiles to 5 minutes. That is, the elite simply will not have time to hide in bunkers.
And this is a completely different conversation will be in the negotiations.

[TatarinSSSR]

You are aware that your elite "Zionist" families can live or fly anywhere - to the Canary Islands, to Australia, to Antarctica. Will your missiles fly there in Cuba?))) And by the way, what about the Poseidons, who inevitably move towards America at a great depth? What about nuclear-powered Burevestnik cruise missiles that fly for days? And Vanguard, with a piper hyper super duper block that can't be intercepted? How beautiful cartoons are flef? And what about a dozen nuclear submarines with missiles, Topol and Ash trees, silo ICBMs, missiles with nuclear warheads on all sorts of TU-160, TU-22 and TU-95? What are these for then? Do you really think that all this will not fly towards the United States if a dozen American missiles with poison hit Moscow. warheads from Ukraine? Or in the US, such stupid people do not understand this? You are being manipulated in the media and you are like a zombie now. The main thing is that there should not be a war ... But the chains, wild inflation, low salaries, the dullness of youth, etc. somehow we will survive like ...

[w70]

Song composed
The thunder of fire, sparkling with the brilliance of steel
The cars will go on a furious campaign,
When comrade Putin will send us into battle
And Marshal Shoigu will lead us into battle!

[Knell wardenheart]

All this talk about "missiles in Cuba" is absolutely not serious. Cuba ok. it’s good that it happened last time, and until the air smells with might and main of counter and invasion, they won’t repeat it. Maduro is not sitting firmly in Venezuela, the fact that they "combed" the last coup attempt there does not mean anything, because inflation and unemployment have remained the same. Placing missiles there today means taking them away tomorrow. And this is at best.
Of course, we can supply them with modern air defense on Mutnyatsky loans, but will this be beneficial to us personally? Haven't we had too many such loans in history? The United States can annoy this, this is a fact. As well as the fact that they can carefully pull them out of there - they lied from Cuba, easily from the continent. And then - it will be a noble disgrace.

[CYM]

Western experts are alarmed by the very fact of the telephone conversation between the presidents of Russia and Cuba

Western "experts" (already almost an analogue of "English scientists") would be better off being alarmed by "pouring gasoline on the Ukrainian fire" through large arms deliveries, otherwise it could fly not only to recipients, but also to suppliers.

[Kushka]

Maduro is not sitting firmly in Venezuela, the fact that they "combed" the last coup attempt there does not mean anything, because inflation and unemployment have remained the same. Placing missiles there today means taking them away tomorrow.

It was already a mess. With a garage, everything just worked out for him - under fifty rarities.
(there was even a front door ZIL-410441, of which only 3 pieces were made). The rest is a sad story.
Now here is the trolleybus carrier.

[AC130 Gunship]

Quietly, they won’t bring Caliber on a submarine. So Caribbean Crisis 2.0?

[V means B]

And the fleet is enough to deliver and defend everything there.?

[Comandor777]

The USSR acted extremely nobly. Gentlemanly. After losing the Cold War, he voluntarily disbanded. The Yankees can't do that. Will have to land. This is sad and very dangerous.

[Emergency]

Yes, what kind of chess? Putin is corny trolling them. Life is busy, work is difficult. So I decided to have some fun. Another would be to call one submarine "Cuba", another "Venezuela" and from time to time organize leaks of commanders' reports on the presence of weapons in "Cuba" and "Venezuela".

[Adrey]

Maybe it's better with a dollar at 78.70, at the moment to figure it out? How is it with defeated inflation in 2022? How about February? Do you want a refinancing rate of 10 / do you want it in the very near future, for the development of the economy?
Damn wrestlers ... rocket spacers in Cuba and Venezuela

[CYM]

Wait a bit, the United States will forbid us to use dollars and the Central Bank, along with Nabiulina and exchange rates, it will be possible to send a valuable parcel to the FRS.

[Adrey]

Wait a bit, the United States will forbid us to use dollars and the Central Bank, along with Nabiulina and exchange rates, it will be possible to send a valuable parcel to the FRS.
And unite with North Korea ourselves

[CYM]

Why immediately unite. Dear comrade Kim, first of all, with our missiles, all buyers of resources will "multiply by zero." We will simply sell resources to Western "partners" for gold or rubles bought for gold. And to conduct trade with normal partners in national currencies, which is already being done.

[Adrey]

We will not slide into the primitive and engage in flooding. Let's finish the "discussion", I'm not on the "salary" here

[Warrior MorePhoto]

We talked with Cuba, and we will deploy missiles in Burkina Faso)) Cuba is in reserve)

[Tank jacket]

Everyone has been playing bridge for a long time, not chess

[neurostimulator]

All of Putin's nuclear missiles stood in his palace on the Black Sea under the guise of rolled carpets. Then Navalny came there and handed everything over to the public. Now it is worth looking for nuclear missiles on Deripaska's yacht. I suppose other "seafarers" from the same yacht club also only pretend that they love the sea so much. ... The sea and the sea of ​​prostitutes.
It's a pity that today is not the first of April, so I had to tell the "truth" instead of a joke)).

[George Koval]

Is it too late to negotiate? In any case, what will happen after the negotiations is not clear! But one thing is clear, all negotiators with Russia will be attacked by the Anglo-Saxons in one way or another...

[Oberst_71]

of course feverishly and in pursuit.

[Siegfried]

they will be even more alarmed when the US begins to force them to openly lie that Kiev's aggression against the Donbass is actually a Russian provocation to legalize the invasion. That's where the Europeans will really be in shock - "yes, we started it, but let's say that Russia." They will be even more shocked when the US lies to them too.

[Two]

It's time, it's time to cause hiccups in minke whales!

[grassyknollgunner]

You will act according to the template (and the deployment of strike weapons in the Caribbean is the very case), you will rake 100%. You can be sure. Americans sleep and see how to roll out Venezuela. Just give them a reason...

[riwas]

Western hysteria is fueled by the fact that just a few days ago, Vladimir Putin held talks with another Latin American leader, Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro.

And even earlier, Putin spoke with the President of Nicaragua. The trend however.

[malyvalv]

It was they who were not aware of the joint exercises between us and the Chinese on "search of a captured ship" in the Arabian Gulf.

[Adagka]

again a cunning plan of a galactic strategist?) but in fact only the domestic plebs regularly win, gaining "victories" in the next tax increases.

[aries2200]

You can simply and modestly container ship in the waters of HAVANA will sometimes defile for provisions to the pier and that's it ....

[Oberst_71]

what the fuck party. With that position, it was already necessary to resemble negotiations. I honestly thought it was. But alas. Again catch-ups. And you don't need rockets, a couple of boats, three bombers. Let them stay in Cuba. Although what to talk about Who withdrew our bases from Vietnam and Cuba in the recent past.

[place]

Instead of the sustainable development of the country and legislation that gives the people guarantees of work in any specialty (and not just a courier and sales manager), a decent salary and a real right to housing, we have "chess games", endless "signals" given to the people by the authorities, "growing into the world economy" and hopes that over time our native thieves and bandits will become "new noble nobles" ... then we will live ......