The Prosecutor General's Office of the Russian Federation seeks recognition of the actions of the Nazis in the Rostov region as genocide

Fulfilling the order of the General Prosecutor's Office of the Russian Federation, prosecutors of the Rostov region appealed to the local regional court with a statement regarding the crimes of the German invaders in the cities of Salsk and Millerovo during the Great Patriotic War. The Prosecutor General's Office of the Russian Federation seeks recognition of the actions of the Nazis in the Rostov region as genocide.

This was reported today by the press service of the department.

Before that, the atrocities of the invaders were thoroughly investigated by representatives of the prosecutor's office, the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation and the FSB. They pulled up all available archives, studying documents relating to the mass executions of civilians in the Rostov region and Soviet prisoners of war.

In the course of investigative measures, it was possible to establish that special forces were operating in Salsk and Millerovo, performing punitive functions. From 1941 to 1943, at least 126 thousand people were killed here. They were tortured, shot, and then thrown into pits that served as mass graves.

Prosecutor General of the Russian Federation Igor Krasnov instructed the prosecutor's office of the Rostov region to file an application with the court.

Earlier it was reported that an alley of memory of the victims of the genocide was opened in Salsk. She appeared near the Salsky brick factory, not far from the place of mass executions.

Comments

[210ox]

Why now? Previously, these atrocities did not pull on genocide? The blood freezes in the veins from these photographs ... But what prevented before? Twenty, forty years ago?

[Vlad Baryatinsky]

Quote: 210ox

Why now

Better late than never!

Quote: 210ox

These photos make my blood run cold...

I suggest "go ahead".
Namely: Recognize as a GENOCIDE, but only the deeds of the bosses in Rost.reg.
And against the ALL Soviet People, during the Great Patriotic War!

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Vlad Baryatinsky

Quote: 210ox

Why now

Better late than never!

Quote: 210ox

These photos make my blood run cold...

I suggest "go ahead".
Namely: Recognize as a GENOCIDE, but only the deeds of the bosses in Rost.reg.
And against the ALL Soviet People, during the Great Patriotic War!

It's time.

[Reserve officer]

Aaron, my respect!
I have long said that the word "genocide" should not be distributed among national apartments. If Jews, Ukrainians, Russians and Belarusians were shot together in Minsk, then the genocide was only against Jews? This is more like commerce in order to receive compensation, and not in memory of the dead.
And what about the captured female Red Army soldiers, commanders and political workers of the Red Army?
It is to recognize the genocide against the entire Soviet people.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Stock Officer

Aaron, my respect!
I have long said that the word "genocide" should not be distributed among national apartments. If Jews, Ukrainians, Russians and Belarusians were shot together in Minsk, then the genocide was only against Jews? This is more like commerce in order to receive compensation, and not in memory of the dead.
And what about the captured female Red Army soldiers, commanders and political workers of the Red Army?
It is to recognize the genocide against the entire Soviet people.

Find on the Internet a book by Aron Schneer "Captivity". This is one of the leading experts at Yad Vashem. After reading it, doubts immediately disappear, both in the Shoah and in the fact that the entire Soviet people was subjected to genocide.

[Reserve officer]

Thanks for the information. I will definitely find it.

[Volkof]

You can also recognize the genocide of Soviet soldiers by the party and military leadership in the defense of the Crimea ..: About 150 thousand soldiers were thrown who could still fight ... This is not counting those who were previously captured! And Admiral Oktyabrsky, an informer and a stupid sycophant and an intriguer in the Kremlin Wall, knocked out another hero for himself .... Do you know why the history of the Second World War is false ?? In too many places, Khrushchev screwed up and others ... Stalingrad alone is worth something after the acts of Timoshenko and Khrushchev ... But they weren’t shot?

[1536]

"Earlier" is when? At a time when there was a German Democratic Republic and friendship "friendschaft"? Or when the Germans began to invest in the Russian economy after the collapse of the USSR, and at the same time palm off on our schoolchildren "letters from German soldiers" who disappeared in the Russian expanses in 1941-1944? We see what these German "soldiers" were actually doing in Russia. Or before the European Parliament, or someone else there, adopted a resolution that the USSR was guilty of unleashing the Second World War (incomprehensible to the mind!)? Unfortunately, until the thunder breaks out, the peasant will not cross himself. We stand on that. The English still say "better late than never. But it's better never to be late."

[210ox]

And now what, the Germans do not invest in our economy? I work in a factory with all German equipment. Delivered in the last few years. We are generally silent about SP2. Do you think they were afraid that they would hold a grudge? Nonsense! Business in Israel and Germany feels quite normal. There are too many Chekhov's heroes in our guide (Man in a case) No matter what happens. This, by the way, directly relates to the fact described in the article. One region.

[1536]

I agree with you, we Russians are too sentimental, we are afraid to offend our partners, we are afraid that they will raise the price or leave, but we don’t know our own prices. Abroad, this has long been understood, and therefore ropes are twisted out of us. And it is necessary in a different way, to put yourself in the center of your loved ones in relations with countries that are similar to Germany. It was necessary that the Germans built a plant for the production of machine tools, and did not supply ready-made machine tools that would become obsolete in 5 years. And why is it so difficult to make a decision based on an obvious fact, to declare genocide a genocide, but it is necessary to "achieve" this?

[Flooding]

Quote: 210ox

Why now? Previously, these atrocities did not pull on genocide?

probably because someone began to forget

[Thrifty]

210okv - search and excavations are constantly going on there. Recently they found children's skeletons, apparently, then there was a weak evidence base, because earlier the remains of those found were often simply buried, but now they are carefully photographed, studied, everything is recorded ...

[210ox]

Maybe. But let's be consistent. Everyone knows about Khatyn, Lidice. But there are dozens of such villages in the Smolensk region. And there are eyewitness accounts. What prevents (prevented) from recognizing this as genocide (a crime against the civilian population)? Which Zarathustra does not allow? No time to get busy? Or maybe denyuzhku expect?

[Kesha1980]

. Why now? Previously, these atrocities did not pull on genocide?

After some time, Russia will "remember" about the "Orange", and finally correctly indicate everything about the "Kursk".
The time for "politics" is coming to an end, because the principle of "two sides" disappears in politics, when there are "biddings". The West is the only thing that has been offering lately - these are new NATO contingents on our borders.
Now there will be more truth, only the question is extremely fair, "why were they silent before, violated the principles of the Constitution of the Russian Federation?".
And yes! The Germans, as NATO members, "categorically will not be welcome" in the manifestation of aggression. Germans, remember the Hungarian cemeteries ("well, they didn't want to give up - they fought to the last") near Voronezh. Let's be frank and honest - stop "playing around". Consider this a reminder. Berlin will no longer see "Soviet soldiers" - there are not many of us, but there are strategic weapons.

[Two diplomas]

The Magyars were not taken prisoner. They just didn't take it. I declare this as a person with roots from Nizhny Olshan, where the Magyar division itself was put to the ravine to the last. A lot of them then motorcycles in the neighborhood resolved.

[Kesha1980]

I know. Mother comes from Anna, Voronezh region. As a child, while on vacation in the countryside, I was inquisitive. The old people were talking.

[akarfoxhound]

This is also incomprehensible to me. This universal all-forgivable friendship of ours "because of the importance of the political moment" will get up in the throat for a long time

[fa2998]

It's just that this Krasnov probably has nothing to do! Yes, so patriotic too! I myself live in the Rostov region, so why oppose the region to other regions? The Germans committed atrocities everywhere, but we have genocide.

[V means B]

What I don’t understand is “achieving” this type of court may not recognize it?

[tralflot1832]

So it means that the people are not to blame? Something after this photograph (I had seen it before) there were big doubts about this statement. When they were taken prisoner, through one they were Telmanovites.

[210ox]

During the GDR, the younger generation of Germans asked their elders. "And who did you serve THEN" ... The most popular and deadly answer was ... In a military band .. I really hope that this ok, aiming at a mother covering a child, did not much survive his victims.

[tralflot1832]

And die in terrible agony or go to the extreme under the slowly moving T 34.

[Yuri T.]

Not the fact that it is German, by the way.
They (the Germans) tried to shift it to collaborators and accomplices. As if, sort of, and not quite, in business ...

[tralflot1832]

As it turns out, the Wehrmacht also did not suffer from remorse. As I FOR both hands, for the eternal captain, according to the stories of my father. And the father of the pope was the chief of staff of the division in Slovyanka.

[OlegRetired]

aiming at a mother covering a child, did not much survive his victims. [/ Quote]

Here are the creatures, every time you look at the blood freezes ..

[prior]

What kind of selective approach?.
In the Rostov region, the Nazis were engaged in genocide, but in other occupied lands, what about charity?
What kind of "we play here, we don't play here, but here we wrap the herring" ...

[210ox]

I have always been struck by the inconsistency, bordering on the debilism of the actions of our authorities. The latest example is the attacks of roaming dogs. I take the child to the garden. Once I went through the gate and did not put on a mask, I thought about it .. A portly security guard runs out and shouts about the mask .. And a pack of stray dogs runs around the territory of the kindergarten, they are fed from the kitchen. I make a remark to the woman. In response, not a dog breeder ..

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: 210ox

The latest example is the attacks of roaming dogs.

In Transbaikalia, a 7-year-old girl was beaten to death. The governor came and said, "We can't shoot, it's against the law. We need to send an initiative to the Duma."
And interestingly, it was this governor who, three weeks ago, demanded that the unvaccinated be caught on the street and forcibly vaccinated. That it was illegal didn't bother him.
So I think before writing "our power", our word must be put in quotation marks.
PS And the villagers themselves shot all the stray dogs at night.

[akarfoxhound]

This is Dimon Medvedev, a couple of days before the prime minister's demobilization, licked Europe - the "green" act signed a ban on shooting. Like if the dog is castrated and released, then he does not want to eat and will not bite.
So which of them is more of a dog - Dimon or a homeless dog???

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: akarfoxhound

Dimon or homeless male???

Why insult an animal with such a comparison?

[Catfish]

Igor, hello!
We have been periodically solving this problem with dogs since the nineties, radically, since many have guns, the local police turn a blind eye, they themselves are calmer, I was fined 500 rubles only once, and that was because the application came against the boss militia, opera even apologized to me.
And as for the governors and others, they themselves need ... moreover, the authorities have completely lost their conscience, if there was any at all.

[Ingvar 72]

Greetings Konstantin!

Quote: Sea Cat

local police look through their fingers

You see the area is not very urban. We have a problem, "compassionate" grandmothers will immediately write a statement. We have a pack of stray dogs attacking our dog at work. I ran to hit. I run and think, where am I running? Without a stick, with empty hands. Well scared, they ran away.

[Catfish]

Yes, we live in the countryside and in many respects it is easier here than in the city, but there are also enough problems of our own, however, as elsewhere.

[tralflot1832]

I’m a dog lover, I fed a whole flock. She was peaceful and played with the children. But then there was a goof, he said where he needed to. I and the dog were attacked by a dog that would not have been here with a lured flock. Many thanks to the men who ran out of two cars with their bare hands, from very good cars and helped fight off this creature. .I got off easy 26 microns would have been Jack Sparrow, it doesn’t hurt at all, you just feel the torn flesh, my old man passed.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: tralflot1832

I am a dog lover, fed the whole flock.

A fed flock has a sense of territory protection. Imagine what would happen if someone else's child came into your yard? Love dogs - take responsibility for their actions.

[tralflot1832]

This flock did not touch a single child in our area, it protected the habitat from other people's dogs. would be the owners who give birth to Alabaev, and then they (alobaev) are driven out into the street.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: tralflot1832

This flock did not touch a single child in our area.

Everything happens for the first time. I gave you an example that could very well happen.

Quote: tralflot1832

I would have visited the owners who give birth to Alabaevs, and then they (alobaevs) are driven out into the street.

They should be brought to justice in general.

[Vadim Krymov]

“... Fulfilling the order of the Prosecutor General's Office of the Russian Federation, prosecutors of the Rostov region appealed to the local regional court with a statement regarding the crimes of the German invaders in the cities of Salsk and Millerovo during the Great Patriotic War. The Prosecutor General's Office of the Russian Federation seeks to recognize the actions of the Nazis in the Rostov region as genocide ... ".
Recognition of the genocide - by whom?! Nazis?! Where are they today? Moreover, in the "German cash desk" for many years, money has been received by Jews in the state of Israel "hurled up by the Holocaust" a long time ago ...

[Sergey M. Karasev]

Why only in Rostov? The genocide took place in all the occupied regions, which means that similar applications to the courts must be filed in all regions that were under occupation.

[rocket757]

The Prosecutor General's Office of the Russian Federation seeks recognition of the actions of the Nazis in the Rostov region as genocide

. End goal not clear Remind everyone what fascism was like or how much the Soviet people suffered in that war???

[Flooding]

Quote: rocket757

Don't understand the end goal?

the initiative is right
but not everyone gets it
on each case of mass extermination, initiate legal proceedings and bring to the attention of the European community.
began to forget bitches

[rocket757]

So even in our country, society, many forgetful ones need to be dipped in facts with faces, so that there would be no more koleyizurengoy !!!
Here's how to carry all this outside, remind, prove, the question.

[Two]

Conclusions should be, not spells with meaning - "we will show you, because we are very concerned."

[Dimka75]

This is a very serious word, genocide, to be thrown around, even by the Prosecutor General's Office.
Genocide is understood as actions against a certain group of people, according to some specific sign.

Genocide - acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, any national, ethnic, racial or religious group.

Why exactly in the Rostov region? Who exactly?
What about other occupied areas? Why after 80 years? Why in the regional court? What are his powers?

[x917nt]

From 1941 to 1943, at least 126 thousand people were killed here.

And 90 Rostovites who were repressed by the Soviet government (of which 13,2 were shot) will become victims of genocide or it's different?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

you are not lost?!!!
this is not an "ear" about five hundred millions, this is there

[Avior]

There is little information in the article - why now and why genocide?
The crime of genocide has a well-defined corpus delicti.
It is clear that the Nazis committed murders and other crimes, but there is a specific article specifically on genocide

Criminal Code Article 357. Genocide

Actions aimed at the complete or partial destruction of a national, ethnic, racial or religious group as such by killing members of this group, causing serious harm to their health, forcible obstruction of childbearing, forced transfer of children, forced displacement or other creation of living conditions designed for physical destruction members of this group -
the applicable sentence is deprivation of liberty for a term of from twelve to twenty years, with restriction of liberty for a term of up to two years, or life imprisonment, or the death penalty.

that is, the prosecutor's office must prove that 1. the actions were aimed specifically at "the destruction of a national, ethnic, racial or religious group as such", that is, to prove that specifically members of one of the four listed groups were purposefully destroyed in the Rostov region
2. to prove that the law has retroactive effect - then Article 357 of the Criminal Code, of course, did not apply, and this type of crime was not specified in the Criminal Code of the RSFSR. The USSR joined the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide only in 1954, and the convention itself came into force only in 1951.
While there is another article

Criminal Code Article 356. Use of Prohibited Means and Methods of Warfare

1. Cruel treatment of prisoners of war or the civilian population, deportation of the civilian population, looting of national property in the occupied territory, use in an armed conflict of means and methods prohibited by an international treaty of the Russian Federation -

shall be punishable by deprivation of liberty for a term of up to twenty years.

Which is based on the Hague and Geneva Conventions (an international treaty of the Russian Federation) and there are no problems with retroactive effect - these conventions are recognized by the Nuremberg Tribunal as binding on all parties to military conflicts, and after it by all modern international courts, such as the ECtHR, for example, or the ICC, as in force during the war and now.
Why the accusation of genocide? In the everyday sense, this word is often used as a synonym for mass crimes, but in the legal sense, this is not the same thing, lawyers understand this very well.
It is not entirely clear from the article why such an accusation is being made in the Rostov region?

[Kesha1980]

. It is not entirely clear from the article why such an accusation is being made in the Rostov region?

The presence of an evidence base. There are testimonies of witnesses, there are mass graves. Perhaps there are testimonies of German prisoners of war in the archives.

. Lawyers are well aware of this.

It is the above-mentioned by me "lawyers perfectly understand."

[Avior]

The presence of an evidence base. There are testimonies of witnesses, there are mass graves.

There is not the slightest doubt that the crimes of the Nazis took place. The issue is interpretation and legal definition.
This was not written in the article. You too.

[Kesha1980]

I answered your question

. It's not entirely clear from the article why. exactly in the Rostov region accept such an accusation?

Is not it so?

[Avior]

No, they didn't. I didn’t see any links with materials explaining the accusation of genocide, and it was in two points in the Rostov region that I didn’t see you

[Kesha1980]

Well, if you need article-by-article references to the Code of Criminal Procedure of the Russian Federation (the subject of evidence and participants in the trial), as well as certain norms of the laws of the "Procurator's Office of the Russian Federation", on the courts of the Russian Federation (I don’t remember the exact name), then do not blame me. Although the idea, so to speak, conveyed.

[Avior]

Taking into account the fact that the issue was raised in a strictly legal plane by the prosecutor's office, the question arose about the reasons for precisely such a qualification.
And the fact that the Nazis committed crimes is a well-known fact.

[Daniil Konovalenko]

In Salsk there was only genocide .. and in other regions? and in the rest, let it be every man for himself? In Belarus, there was no genocide? Does it have its own Attorney General? We do not recognize the blockade of Leningrad as genocide, Stalin is to blame here ..

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

what nonsense !!!
in the Rostov genocide, but not in Oryol?!!!
genocide was against the ALL SOVIET PEOPLE IN THE WHOLE TERRITORY OF THE USSR

[Kesha1980]

Was everywhere. Many had to be hanged at 45. Even a few thousand officers and privates. Maybe tens of thousands. But that would be right.

[faiver]

I don't get why? Since the Russian Federation is the legal successor of the USSR, it is enough to adopt ONE legislative act stating that ALL actions of German, Italian, Romanian, Hungarian, Slovak, Finnish and other troops are genocide of all peoples inhabiting the former USSR. And is that all, or is there nothing else for our courts and the Prosecutor General's Office to do? This does not cancel the work on burials and the search for the dead ...

[Two diplomas]

Judging by the covid hysteria, now every gopher is an agronomist. Soon the chairmen of the village territories will put special people with machine guns on the barriers and will examine the analyzes. Instead of declaring Geitz and his six of the carts the enemies of humanity.

[neurostimulator]

And here is what you really need to do. Without the restoration of justice, there will be no respect - no matter how much gas you pump.