The French press spoke about the possibilities of Turkish submarines to penetrate the Russian control zone in the Black Sea

Ankara attaches great importance to Reis-class submarines (Type 214 TN), the purchase of which cost $ 2 billion. After receiving them, the Turkish Navy will be able to change the balance of power in its favor in the entire adjacent water area, including the Black Sea.

Unlike those currently in service with the Turkish fleet diesel-electric submarines, new submarines have an air-independent power plant, which reduces the noise during the movement of submarines and increases the time they stay under water.
The VNEU of Reis submarines is based on the proven system of the German company HDW. It uses PEM FC polymer electrolyte membrane fuel cells (generate 2x120 kW of electricity) and high-capacity batteries (232 units). This fuel system allows the submarine to be on the march for a long time.

Armament will be represented by 533 mm torpedoes (German product DM2A4, local AKYA and MK48 Mod 6AT), anti-ship missiles (Harpoon, possibly local ATMACA anti-ship missiles) and mines.

The construction of six Reis submarines is carried out at the Turkish shipyard in Gelchuk. On March 23, 2021, the first submarine was launched; its commissioning is scheduled for 2022. Over the next five years, the rest of the submarines will be put into service.

According to the French edition of Naval News, the appearance of an updated submarine fleet in Turkey will lead to a change in the balance of power along the entire perimeter of the country's maritime borders. They called for blocking the sale of Reis by Berlin in Athens (they have 5 submarines with VNEU: 4 Type 214 and 1 modernized Type 209 project).

Turkey will again gain an advantage over Greece

- stated in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the country.

_{The diesel submarines project 636.3}

At the same time, Ankara intends to build 4-6 of its own submarines with VNEU of the MILDEN project, with which it is planned to replace obsolete submarines of the 209/1200 type.

In the second half of the 2030s, the delicate balance of submarine forces in the [Eastern Mediterranean] region is likely to change in favor of Turkey

- noted in the publication.

According to the author, a similar reshuffle of forces awaits the Black Sea region. After the annexation of Crimea, Russia increased its submarine fleet to 7 pennants (instead of 1) due to the supply of Project 636.3 submarines, which are capable of launching Caliber missiles, but do not have VNEU. Currently, the Turkish Navy has 12 diesel-electric submarines, and after the commissioning of the Reis class, the total number of submarines will be 18 (including 6 with VNEU).

These submarine forces will be able to infiltrate the heavily defended Russian A2/AD zone of control in the Black Sea.

- noted in the French press, indicating that, in accordance with the Montreux Convention, the Turkish submarine fleet is the only NATO asset capable of resisting the ambitions of the Russian fleet.

Comments

[General failure]

Wait, wait. Erdogan was already screeching to follow orders from Brussels.
This guy is way too smart. Of course, he can try to shit in Russia's soup, but the Turks have a lot of interesting things in the Mediterranean - Greece, Cyprus, Libya.
So, who will hiccup more from French geshefts there is an open question.

[Stepan S]

Wait, wait. Erdogan was already screeching to follow orders from Brussels.

Erdogan most likely lives until the next elections and that's it.

[General failure]

Is there some kind of pro-NATO force in Turkey to obstruct the Maidan elections?

[mitroha]

the purchase of which cost $ 2 billion.

Naturally, some will justify such a purchase, while others will echo and praise them. Otherwise, it will be inconvenient for everyone

[Pereira]

Let's wait and see.

[Pandiurin]

Quote: General Failure

Is there some kind of pro-NATO force in Turkey to obstruct the Maidan elections?

Why Maidan, in the course of simple elections, he can lose. From an economic point of view, it's bad. The share of imports is very significant.
If the Turkish lira falls against other currencies, the prices of all imported goods, including food, will rise.

If the fall that has already happened is smooth and small, then this is not scary for Erdogan, if the fall is sharp or very large, then Erdogan is kapets.

But there are probably no good prospects for the Turkish economy ....

[Avior]

If the Turkish lira falls against other currencies, the prices of all imported goods, including food, will rise.

On the other hand, the competitiveness of Turkish goods, including food products, will increase.

[Pereira]

The next one will listen to advisers even less.

[ser-pov]

Quote: General Failure

Wait, wait. Erdogan was already screeching to follow orders from Brussels.
This guy is way too smart. Of course, he can try to shit in Russia's soup, but the Turks have a lot of interesting things in the Mediterranean - Greece, Cyprus, Libya.
So, who will hiccup more from French geshefts there is an open question.

It only pleases me. The allies are not in power ... And at the expense of Turkey, unsuccessful Erdogan, no one will save him anymore. The guy is going with the flow...

[General failure]

Allies do not rule...

Oy-vey, as if, when Erdogan drove millions of refugees to Western Europe, they kissed in the ruins there.

As for this deal, the remark about Russia is most likely intended for internal French use. Like, "Erdagan and Nata this lyuboff."

Still, quite recently, the Americans with a contract for submarines showed the French for a ride on a leather cucumber. So, it is vital for the Gallic crows to sell their products to at least someone - Erdogan, Assad. Yes, even Eun.

[Avior]

Type 214 are German submarines from Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft (HDW), not French

[75 Sergey]

So why sit down, jump out and run to do VNEU!
We have everything, but we don't!
Some Greece has that

[lucul]

So why sit down, jump out and run to do VNEU!
We have everything, but we don't!
Some Greece has that

I'll just remind you that quite recently, the British type 23 Northumberland frigate, after modernization, was equipped with the most modern British Type 2087 sonar, which could not detect the growing submarine next to it.
More:

https://turbo.ria.ru/20220122/fregat-1768880342.html

[NDR-791]

I’ll also add, but why in the Black Sea VNEU ??? Yes and:

Turkey's submarine fleet is the only NATO asset capable of countering the ambitions of the Russian fleet.

That is, France, as usual, is trying to hide behind Turkey? Or is it a fear - what if such people appear in the Mediterranean ... and not only against Greece?

[Kayala]

I’m also wondering why VNEU itself is in the Black Sea. No, VNEU is certainly a useful thing, but expensive and, in my opinion, unnecessary for the Black Sea Fleet. But the French from their sheska see it that way.
This is how I want to remind them that one of their empirators also considered himself invincible, and called his army "great". It was only from this very "great" army that the miserable remnants of the hungry and frostbitten conquerors of Europe crossed the Berezina River. And you can also remember one field near the village of Borodino, where we met with them two whole times and both times were not in their favor.
Gentlemen of the keepers, do you know where you got "bistro" from, and we have the concept of sh * wa * l and sharomyzhnik? Want to enrich your language with some more Russian words?

[Klingon]

And they are generally losers, they also raked away from Suvorov in Switzerland (Andermatt), they managed to do it with the Mageno line in the Second World War. So they have nothing to crow at all

[tikhonov66]

"... and we have the concept of sh * wa * l
..."
- a cloakroom is a tailor's workshop.
The word "trash" (to sew) in the XNUMXth - XNUMXth centuries was called a tailor by analogy with the word "forger" (to forge). Shvalnya - trash / shvets - sew (*siti)
M. Fasmer's dictionary mentions a certain Novgorodian Ivashko Shval (beginning of the XNUMXth century), who turned out to be a traitor (traitor), who "without bloodshed" led the Swedish troops into the city besieged by them.
- as they say - a long time before the flight of the French army from Russia.

[A.K.]

Well, they will penetrate into our zone, well, even if we strike, we have the most powerful air defense there, and after such a strike, what will happen next. I will say Turkey
conclusion Turkey will not agree to this in the wrong position.

[75 Sergey]

Should have just waited longer

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: 75Sergey

Some Greece has that

Well, like this!
https://youtu.be/sxv47i3wjZE

[TermNachTer]

VNEU is not a panacea for all problems, it also has drawbacks. The Japanese, on their last submarines, returned to a diesel-electric power plant.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

The screw is interesting, in the center there is some other device.

[NDR-791]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

The screw is interesting, in the center there is some other device

Speaking humanly, this is a straightener or an anti-cavitation extension cord. There are submariners here, they will clarify.

[Alien From]

I also noticed, maybe the corefei will tell you ??

[impostor]

Maybe it's a kind of Grim's wheel?

[NDR-791]

Quote: impostor

Maybe it's a kind of Grim's wheel?

With this size, maybe, but still we'll wait for the specialists. Our boats have something similar, but not in this size. So a question for the experts. Although I believe that the principles of muffling sound from cavitation are somewhat different for them and for us

[impostor]

And perhaps this device increases the usable area of ​​the propeller blades at the tip of the propeller shaft

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: NDR-791

With this size, maybe, but still we'll wait for the specialists. Our boats have something similar, but not in this size. So a question for the experts. Although I believe that the principles of muffling sound from cavitation are somewhat different for them and for us

Here are some clearer pics

[NDR-791]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

Here is a clearer photo

Well, exactly - a flow straightener. Interpeller seems, if I remember correctly.

[PN]

Hammer in Yandex: photo of a submarine propeller. And we have these screws. Only what is newer on the network is not.

[yuriy55]

Turkey's submarine fleet is the only NATO asset capable of countering the ambitions of the Russian fleet.

In the Black Sea, Russia does not exhibit any claims and ambitions. She believes that the isolation of the Black Sea and the specificity of depths below 200 meters does not have the physical possibility of using it as a testing ground for countries that have nothing to do with this area.
There is no need to scare Russia with the Turkish fleet. Let's figure it out without snotty frogs. For every Turkish ... there is a tricky "package".
With the manifestation of strong aggressiveness, there are other methods to Kostya Saprykina Recep Erdogan ... We are not very afraid of him ...
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I see that the “brave French” are haunted by the glory of the true winners in WWII ... See that Charlie Hebdo doesn’t print obituaries for you with unpretentious French humor ... In Russia there are heads with GOS ready to see Paris and die ...

[NDR-791]

Quote: yuriy55

I see that the “brave French” are haunted by the glory of the true winners in WWII ...

Yes, since 1812 they have no rest. No wonder we have Paris in the Southern Urals (and even the Eiffel Tower included) and Ferschenpenoise and another half of that France.

[NDR-791]

I do not like? Get it. On the right is a wooden house "Paris Museum of the History of the Village"

[Cympak]

For every Turkish ... there is a tricky "package".

only on the Black Sea there is not a single ship with either the "Package" or the "Answer" :(
But there are almost 4 pieces. 22160 :(

[Alien From]

In general, the news is not pleasant, the boats are excellent. It's time for us to move from outside.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Alien From

In general, the news is not pleasant, the boats are excellent.

So let's say - modern ... German-made by 50%. Of course, they are dangerous, but they won’t climb on us: they will be afraid of our PLO ...
It seems to me that they, most likely, will hooligan against Greece and Cyprus, in the struggle for gas fields on the shelf ...
And a couple of words about inaccuracies in the presentation of "material".
1.

new submarines have an air-independent power plant, which reduces noise during the movement of submarines and increases the time of their stay under water.

AIP on the other side, not on noise. It is designed to increase the duration of continuous stay of NNSs under water due to anaerobic generation of electricity. The noisiness of the submarine mainly depends on the contours of the hull (laminar flow), the speed of movement under water (cavitation), the structural noise of internal mechanisms ...
2.

The VNEU of Reis submarines is based on the proven system of the German company HDW. ... This fuel system allows the submarine travel for a long time

Those. we are talking about the AUTONOMY of the submarine, which is not entirely true. It would be more correct to talk about continuous stay under water, and not at sea, because autonomy depends on the reserves of provisions, water and fuel, crew fatigue, the time of continuous operation of some devices ...
3.

The construction of six Reis submarines is carried out at the Turkish shipyard in Gelchuk.

It would be more accurate to say "assembly", because --

The above submarines are being built at the Turkish shipyard Gölcük, located on the east coast of the Sea of ​​Marmara, within the framework of a joint program with Germany. The construction of submarines is carried out jointly with the largest German shipyard HDW (Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft), the contract was signed in 2009. HDW collects only main body and mechanical components and some secret components, including fuel cells and propulsion systems. All electronic components and weapons systems are manufactured and installed in Turkey.

4.

///These submarine forces will be able to infiltrate the heavily defended Russian A2/AD control zone in the Black Sea/// -- French point out.

But what the media write about such submarines:
"Germany has already delivered the boats of this project Greece and South Korea. Not everything is as beautiful as it was promised, the boats have a lot of shortcomings that require improvements, especially puzzled buyers noise level, which turned out to be much higher than promised. There is a need for improvements in tightness.
Apparently, there is a hole in the old woman ...
But.

[Alien From]

Thanks for the clarifications! Do we have so many PLOs?

[Cympak]

Thanks for the clarifications! Do we have so many PLOs?

So there is no modern PLO at KChF:
there are only 5 old MPK pr.1124M and 6 new diesel-electric submarines 636.3

1 RKR pr.1164, 3 frigates pr.11356R and 1 TFR pr.1135 - they can, but only miraculously detect a modern NPL
4 RTOs pr.21631 - they cannot at all
3 (+1) project 22160 - they can't at all

[dauria]

Not everything is as beautiful as promised

Somewhere it came across that this is an export version of type 212. The main components are made in Germany, and the buyer already assembles the boats, doing something at home. Moreover, the Germans did not give the "zest" of non-magnetic steel to anyone (except, it seems, Israel). So 214 is just an ordinary diesel engine with fuel cells instead of part of the batteries. Yes, it can "crawl" for much longer without surfacing. But do not forget - the fuel cell is not recharged in the campaign.

[tralflot1832]

If we consider the composition of the Turkish fleet and its bases, then so far Erdogan has one goal, the security of the straits and the defense of his interests in the Aegean and Mediterranean seas. Everything is freely available on the bases.

[rocket757]

The French press spoke about the possibilities of Turkish submarines to penetrate the Russian control zone in the Black Sea

. Suppose penetrated .... and then what??
When will artisans and other experts settle down???
Nobody is going to implement / check their ephemeral proposals and other nonsense!
For they know more and fears, justified experience.

[Karos]

Everyone is asleep and sees how to pit Russia against Turkey ..... On behalf of their country, they themselves cannot say anything .... Cowards ...

[Alex russia]

What does it mean to play off, for Mr. Putin it is always a surprise "knife in the back", and the Turks have never hidden that for them the main enemy is Russia

[singless]

but you don’t want to write about your middle panties

[Amateur]

Another nonsense of "free" media. What tasks in the Black Sea can Turkish submarines have? No. What does it sound like for them to penetrate Russian terrorist waters? No need. Yes, and they will be based outside the Black Sea.

[Mountain shooter]

VNEU 2x120 kW! This is for a big boat. In short, this is enough for sneaking engines, boats will not be able to sail quickly from VNEU, and it is also unlikely to charge batteries. Diesel engines have 10 times more power.

[Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira]

But does VNEU decide the balance of power in the Black Sea today ?! This, of course, is a good solution for stealth and relative autonomy, but they cannot fly thousands of kilometers with VNEU warheads!

[businessv]

The French press spoke about the possibilities of Turkish submarines to penetrate the Russian control zone in the Black Sea

Let them now tell how they get out of us alive!

Turkey will again gain an advantage over Greece, the country's Foreign Ministry said.

Here is the main reason for the construction of the submarine

[Drugov]

Idiot analysis. The question is, what conditions should be created in this basin for the enemy to decide on such actions? Well, except for the incident belli? Who in their right mind would go for such a provocation? If Turkey wants to spoil relations, it will implement the idea of ​​blocking the strait for our fleet, and for this, these devices are not needed at all, therefore, their area of ​​​​responsibility is clearly not the World Cup. And Russia still has the opportunity to build a second Bosphorus, and the Turks understand this very well and clearly do not plan to cross the boundaries of reason.

[Puler]

It's easy to get in, but not to leave...

[Vitaly Petrov_3]

Quote: 75Sergey

So why sit down, jump out and run to do VNEU!
We have everything, but we don't!
Some Greece has that

So in Greece "Everything is" has long been known!

[Baloo]

Well, Turkey decided to build up its naval power in the region ... or rather, it didn’t quite decide on its own, but that’s not the point. But Russia really needs to expand the Black Sea Fleet a little, especially with regard to submarines, so that it would be different for neighbors.

[APASUS]

Turkey has a historical breakdown. The Turks are well aware that the Russians are limited by the Bosphorus and that the Turks are likely to lose it in the event of a serious conflict. That is why Turkey is likely to leave minor dirty tricks behind it, but will not go into a serious conflict.

[16112014nk]

Turkey's submarine fleet is the only NATO asset capable of countering the ambitions of the Russian fleet.

And the ambitious Turkish fleet should remember the Battle of Sinop. As for the Turkish fleet, "the whole ambition was smashed into blood." © M. Zoshchenko "Nervous people"

[KCA]

From one to seven pennants in the Crimea? Or was there one pennant in the whole division of the NAPL in Novoross, or is it no longer the Black Sea Fleet?

[jonht]

However, the French forgot to say that of those boats that the Turks now have, half will be decommissioned, and this is more like a replacement for the withdrawn units than a reinforcement .... Although yes, the boats are new, but not the latest achievements of shipbuilding.