Kai-Achim Schönbach, who called Crimea the Russian Commander-in-Chief of the German Navy, was dismissed

Kai-Achim Schönbach, commander of the German Navy, who called Crimea Russian, resigned, German Defense Minister Christina Lambrecht accepted the corresponding petition. This is reported by the German press.

The vice-admiral submitted his resignation letter the day before, after his statement that Crimea would never return to Ukraine. In addition, Schönbach called nonsense talk about the allegedly impending invasion of the Russian army into the territory of a neighboring state, calling on Germany and other countries to cooperate more closely with Russia in confronting China. He said all this during a conference of the Institute of Defense Studies Manohara Parrikara in India, discussing the situation around Ukraine.

Schönbach's statement caused a wave of criticism both from the German Ministry of Defense, which immediately distanced itself from the Vice Admiral, and from the German Foreign Ministry. Defense Minister Christina Lambrecht held urgent consultations with Inspector General of the Armed Forces of Germany Eberhard Zorn and a public relations consultant, after which a statement was made that this was the vice admiral's personal opinion, which did not reflect the position of the military department. In addition, Schönbach was summoned to the Ministry for an "explanatory conversation."

The Commander-in-Chief of the Navy himself, without waiting for the scolding in the Ministry of Defense, wrote a resignation letter, saying that he was doing this in order to avoid "further damage" to the German the fleet, army and Germany as a whole. At the same time, he admitted that he should not have made statements about Crimea, and everything he said was a mistake. The Ministry of Defense of Germany accepted the resignation and now Schönbach is going to retire with the prefix "ex" - the former commander-in-chief of the German Navy.

It should be noted that Schönbach's statement about the Russian Crimea aroused indignation in Kiev, which painfully perceives all statements of this kind. The Ukrainian Foreign Ministry has already demanded clarification from the German government.

Comments

[aszzz888]

Kai-Achim Schönbach, commander of the German Navy, who called Crimea Russian, resigned...

That's the kind of "freedom of speech" they have there. Slightly vyakknul something wrong - walk in civilian life. (Will they give him a pension now? )

[Seryoga64]

Quote: aszzz888

Slightly vyakknul something wrong - walk in civilian life.

The truth always hurts

[Tatyana]

Kai-Achim Schönbach, commander of the German Navy, who called Crimea Russian, resigned, German Defense Minister Christina Lambrecht accepted the corresponding petition.
Schönbach's statement caused a wave of criticism both from the German Ministry of Defense, which immediately distanced itself from the Vice Admiral, and from the German Foreign Ministry.

Professionals from the German armed forces themselves are leaving!
This is what it means when an unprofessional in military affairs and politics, the "Sorosian" woman (Christina Lambrecht and Annalena Burbock) heads the German Defense Ministry and Foreign Ministry!

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Tatiana

This is what it means when an unprofessional in military affairs and politics, the "Sorosyat" woman rules, heads the Ministry of Defense and the German Foreign Ministry!

And not only Germany. I understand that they were infuriated by his words about the fact that Russia is not going to attack the outskirts

[Tatyana]

Quote: Seryoga64

I understand that they were infuriated by his words about the fact that Russia is not going to attack the outskirts

These "pigs" - Christina Lambrecht and Annalena Burbock - were simply themselves frightened to the point of losing their pulse of losing their own posts in Germany because of just one shout from their masters in Washington

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Tatiana

These "pigs" - Christina Lambrecht and Annalena Burbock - were simply frightened to the point of losing their pulse by losing their posts because of just one shout from their owners in Washington

It's true

[krot]

And why don't we have the same "freedom of speech" as in advanced Europe? If your opinion does not coincide with the policy of the country, resign!
I think now everyone will be silent in a rag for a long time.

[Nikolay Ivanov_5]

All this shows that Germany is under US occupation and German politicians cannot have their own will. However, there are fewer and fewer politicians with their own will in the European Union. Brussels and Washington have cleared almost completely the entire Western European space.

[faiver]

it's like that everywhere, and we too ...

[Cat Alexandrovich]

It's strange, why are you downvoted. Is it possible that if some of our admiral-general decides to say something across the line of the party and government, he will not be blown up?

[Clear]

Quote: Cat Alexandrovich

It's strange, why are you downvoted. Is it possible that if some of our admiral-general decides to say something across the line of the party and government, he will not be blown up?

It must be assumed that

Quote: faiver

faiver

Quote: faiver

it's like that everywhere, and we too ...

writing about England. Because faiver from English to Russian - a favorite.

[2 Level Advisor]

English would be pulled up chtol, Yasnaya is a favorite in English - favorite

[Clear]

Quote: 2 level advisor

English would be pulled up chtol, Yasnaya is a favorite in English - favorite

You pro-Westerners know better

[2 Level Advisor]

I'm in shock .. wrote Clear nonsense, I corrected the correct translation and now I'm talking about a Westerner and downvoted .. for the fact that I brought the correct translation? but the comments, as they say .. treat the head of the minusers, there are clear problems .. and the correct translation will not change from the minuses ..

[sergo1914]

Quote: 2 level advisor

I'm in shock .. wrote Clear nonsense, I corrected the correct translation and now I'm talking about a Westerner and downvoted .. for the fact that I brought the correct translation? but the comments, as they say .. treat the head of the minusers, there are clear problems .. and the correct translation will not change from the minuses ..

The bot farm is fierce here, Prigozhin's trolls never dreamed of

[Clear]

Quote: sergo1914

Quote: 2 level advisor

I'm in shock .. wrote Clear nonsense, I corrected the correct translation and now I'm talking about a Westerner and downvoted .. for the fact that I brought the correct translation? ..

The bot farm is fierce here, Prigozhin's trolls never dreamed of

Something from this fierce bot farm, you have not left for the eighth year. I understand the contract

[sergo1914]

Quote: Clear

I understand the contract

On the site 584 days, 3656 comments, 6 comments per day. rating 748 162. Without holidays and weekends. Funny. But I have a contract. Don't overdo it.

[Clear]

Quote: sergo1914

Quote: Clear

I understand the contract

On the site 584 days, 3656 comments, 6 comments per day. rating 748 162. Without holidays and weekends. Funny. But I have a contract. Don't overdo it.

Thank you for your attention. Flattered.

Understand, six comments a day for some... cognitive dissonance

[Clear]

Quote: 2 level advisor

I'm in shock .. wrote Clear nonsense, I corrected the correct translation and now I'm talking about a Westerner and downvoted .. for the fact that I brought the correct translation? but the comments, as they say .. treat the head of the minusers, there are clear problems .. and the correct translation will not change from the minuses ..

Look at the correct translation, then resent.

[2 Level Advisor]

looked and checked on your advice .. well, faiver is not translated as a favorite and that’s it .. it seems someone is a troll and not very smart .. minus for the truth .. don’t forget ..

[Aviator_]

well, faiver is not translated as a favorite and that's it.

Yandex translator gives "favorite"

[2 Level Advisor]

I don’t know why Yandex says so - I took it from the brain, checked the paper dictionary and Google asked + a few more translators, and most of all I trust the paper dictionary .. apart from Yandex, there is no translation of this anywhere .. but in general it turned to the translation of the nickname of the forum member and how Yasnaya determined him - having attached to the nickname, it would be more logical to listen to his opinion - what does his nickname mean ..

[Aviator_]

Probably, Yandex is loaded with slang that is not in paper dictionaries. Well, I trust the good old Muller, and even the academic Galperin, more, but there is no escape from modernity.

[2 Level Advisor]

yes .. maybe it is .. I’m also used to being guided by paper in such matters .. but .. hmm .. In this case, Yasnaya knows American slang .. but I’m talking about a Westerner and not her from her words .. hmm .. suspicious she turns out a personality .. pierced?

[Gado]

There is no such word for "faiver" in English. And if that means, then only blacks know. There is the word "favourite" and there is the word "favour", which in translation means favor, goodwill, and a few more meanings, which is normal for the English language.

[p0pulivox]

Maybe she's a favorite and that's why... Although she looks much more like a well-deserved trollbot!

[faiver]

my nickname is from the works of Golovachev, if you know who it is, and well, it has nothing to do with England ...

[faiver]

It's strange, why are you downvoted.

- whether there is life on Mars or not, this is unknown to science, here it is the same here, maybe I personally don’t like it, maybe my messages, but in general I don’t care ...

[boris epstein]

I didn’t downvote, but for what you are downvoted, I will answer you. You clung to the wrong translation and moved off the topic. Just try not to pay attention to the little things in the future, you won’t be downvoted.

[faiver]

You are apparently on the phone, firstly, I didn’t cling to any translations, what and how Madame Yasnaya translates to me deeply violet, and secondly - try not to tell people what to do, so that there is no continuation ...

[203-K]

It's strange, why are you downvoted. Unless, if some of our admiral-general decides to say something across the line of the party and government, he will not be blown up?

If we analyze the situation in Russia, then let me remind you that, for example, General Rodionov was devoured for his principled position. General Vorobyov filed a report himself, because he refused to lead the troops in the first Chechen one. General Rokhlin was removed for his fundamentally patriotic position. Gromov after Afghanistan also fell out of favor and he was escorted to the Foreign Ministry. So the German admiral knew perfectly well what awaited him, since he expressed his opinion without coordinating it with anyone. I think he did it on purpose, not wanting to bend under the crazy female bosses, deciding that he had enough and it was time to retire. By the way, this admiral is not alone in his views - they have enough sane military leaders.

[mikh-korsakov]

You can't judge everyone the same. If the West encroaches on the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation, then the West commits criminal acts. We do not encroach on giving Holstein to Denmark. But I'm interested in something else. I'm wondering how they do it all. In the sense, is there a production meeting before the resignation, where the comrades with all frankness point out unacceptable statements that have no place, or is it different, sent the admiral a black mark by e-mail?

[Egoza]

Quote: mikh-korsakov

But I'm interested in something else. I'm wondering how they do it all.

The German ambassador was called in Kiev, they threw a tantrum, the ambassador handed everything over to his Foreign Ministry, the lady got scared and "reacted" Retired Admiral. By the way, maybe he accidentally revealed the "military secret of Germany" with his speech? This will be the number! )))

[sniperino]

Quote: aszzz888

Will they give him a pension now?

He was not reprimanded.

[Thrifty]

Throughout Germany there was one smart and honest German, and he was "eaten" for the truth !!!

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: Thrifty

All over Germany there was one smart and honest German

There are many smart and honest people, but there are very few brave ones! Tolerant Democracy!

[seregatara1969]

They could also solder the term, for a discrepancy with the general line of the party and government. This is not Russia!

[AUL]

Quote: aszzz888

That's the kind of "freedom of speech" they have there,

Uh ... And in our situation, who would have sat in their place for more than 20 minutes? Unless Peskov, he can "drive a blizzard"!

[Clear]

Come on, come on, kick out the professional generals. Their place is successfully taken by gynecologists.

[expert]

No, no, we're making progress.
The former was a political scientist, but the current one is a lawyer.

[Simple]

The following can be taken from dentists.

As according to Ulyanov - Lenin:
"We are not utopians. We know that any laborer and any cook are not able to immediately take control of the state. In this we agree with the Cadets, and with Breshkovskaya, and with Tsereteli. But we differ from these citizens in that we demand immediate breaking with the prejudice of running the state, carrying on the everyday, daily work of government is only able-bodied officials capable of, or demanding wealthy families.We demand that government training be given by conscious workers and soldiers and that it be started immediately, ie. e. to learn that immediately began to attract all the working people, all the poor. "

[Retvizan 8]

It’s interesting for me, there are people on the site (either “mishandled Cossacks”, or “offended”), who immediately begin to actively comment on any news from behind the “hillock”, like: “but we have, what’s not the same”, "Yes, we are even worse" and the like ...
Strange, well, go to another resource like "Censor", where Russia is actively "watered" and you will be happy, they will gladly support you, how bad everything is in Russia.

[zadorin1974]

Good Eugene. You have a strange position. Here (it was thought that way, probably?) People gathered to discuss and express their opinion. If the opinion does not coincide with the majority? Why immediately such and such watered Russia? You yourself begin to identify the crazy actions of officials with the Motherland. Look at the constant antics of members of United Russia, are you satisfied with everything? I’m not here. So what? Am I also a troll and a pro-Western on a salary?

[Retvizan 8]

Have you seriously made such a conclusion from what I wrote above?
Yes, not everything suits me, but hear me if the article is about the German admiral, and I will write there about utility tariffs, the article is about the American submarine, and I have comments about bad roads, the article about the Israeli raid on the Syrian province, and I will write about EP dissatisfaction.
Isn't this absurd?

[zadorin1974]

You have now begun to distort. Kolega wrote that it is exactly the same with us. They would also ask a person (or even retroactively). And you accelerated to Censor.

[keeper03]

Well done ! Better now than XNUMX later!

[expert]

You are absolutely right.
Your personal opinion, only in the kitchen and only in a whisper. And this is not only for the military or government officials. Germans diligently avoid a frank conversation about politics.
This is what he wrote after the man was "run over": "Inadvertently, having misjudged the situation, I should not have acted like this. There is nothing to interpret here, it was a mistake"
It is impossible in a free, democratic world to call white white and black black.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: aszzz888

That's the kind of "freedom of speech" they have there. Slightly vyakknul something wrong - walk in civilian life.

"Freedom of speech," like the word itself in the West, means freedom for a certain number of people who are currently part of the ruling elite, which is constantly changing from the views of the masters from the international ruling clan.
Everything is like in any animal pack, where alpha males set their own rules when to bark, how to bark, or tear to shreds. Nothing new since the creation of the world, only the shell is more beautiful.
Apostates from these rules were punished cruelly at all times, who at an earlier time were burned at the stake, at a later time they were destroyed in the gas chambers of Auschwitz and Dachau. So Lambrecht was still lucky to get off with his resignation (and maybe even leave his pension.)

[ser-pov]

Quote: aszzz888

Kai-Achim Schönbach, commander of the German Navy, who called Crimea Russian, resigned...

That's the kind of "freedom of speech" they have there. Slightly vyakknul something wrong - walk in civilian life. (Will they give him a pension now? )

Well, to be honest, we would also not understand the Commander-in-Chief of the Black Sea Fleet if he said that Crimea is Ukrainian ... And this guy, the admiral, simply retreated from the line of the party and NATO ....

[Alex Justice]

That's the kind of "freedom of speech" they have there. laughing A little yelped something wrong - go for a walk in civilian life.

Is it different in Russia?

[Anachoret]

Schönbach only voiced the attitude of the majority of Germans to this whole situation))

[Reserve buildbat]

Pension will be given. He repented. And if he hadn’t “admitted that he shouldn’t have made statements about Crimea, and everything he said was a mistake,” then he wouldn’t have received a pension, and would have been demoted along the way, and would have been thrown under investigation “for corruption.”

[Vlad69]

Respect for the objectivity of the seaman. But the ending is predictable: he must keep his personal opinion to himself despite all the evidence. These are the realities of today. But what next? The German Foreign Ministry will report that, in fact, Crimea will, of course, be Ukrainian?

[Sharky]

should keep his personal opinion to himself despite all the evidence

What's sober on the mind, then the drunk on the tongue.
Perhaps, it was not without Indian rum Old Monk, as they say on another resource ...

[Silver Fox]

I watched his video yesterday. he goes to India to live. He already said it yesterday. He has a Hindu wife, as I understood from the video.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Vlad69

The German Foreign Ministry will report that, in fact, Crimea will, of course, be Ukrainian?

At one time, Hitler wanted the Crimea to be German, but it turned out differently, so whoever, and the Germans, need to hold back the Wishlist.

[Alex_1973]

You can’t say anything quickly, but respect the admiral, you don’t often meet adequate people in the West. Don't be afraid to ruin your career, man.

[Peter is not the first]

Don't be afraid to ruin your career, man.

He ruined his military career, but he can easily continue his career as a major leader of the German operator Nord Stream 2, but we need a person loyal to Russia there.

[Uncle lee]

Crimea will never return to Ukraine. In addition, Schönbach called nonsense talk about the allegedly impending invasion of the Russian army into the territory of a neighboring state.

This is not the captain of the evidence, but the vice admiral of the evidence! For which he suffered!

[Deck]

He ruined his military career, but he can easily continue his career as a major leader of the German operator Nord Stream 2, but we need a person loyal to Russia there.

We don't need talkative and corrupt traitors in NATO countries. We already have a whole collection of them.

[Peter is not the first]

We don't need talkative and corrupt traitors in NATO countries.

So do we need or don't we need traitors in NATO?
It would be better if there were just more of them, traitors to NATO interests.

We already have a whole collection of them.

And here is the problem with this. Sound names from this collection. And there will be a thousand times fewer people on this list than on the list of traitors to Russia who "fled" because of "Russian tyranny", although they also took a good sum of money "earned" money.

[Oleg-Monino]

for 56 years he has a great career. if in the military circles of the FRG officers of this rank are not afraid to express their point of view, then we can conclude that he is not alone in disagreeing with the position of Mrs. Von Leyen. I do not understand the appointment of a civilian to the post of Minister of Defense, so

more than a woman.

[your1970]

The minister is generally an intermediate figure - in peacetime, in fact, the General Staff leads, in the military - the head of state ...

[Oleg-Monino]

I saw how Mr. Serdyukov came to the General Staff. Fucking came. It's good that in civil time.

[den3080]

Quote: Oleg-Monino

for 56 years he has a great career. if in the military circles of the FRG officers of this rank are not afraid to express their point of view, then we can conclude that he is not alone in disagreeing with the position of Mrs. Von Leyen. I do not understand the appointment of a civilian to the post of Minister of Defense, so

more than a woman.

Why? Everything is absolutely clear.
A gynecologist as secretary of defense, and former family affairs, senior citizens following her ... what can they say to the Americans intelligibly? Nothing. Just obediently follow the commands, so as not to blurt out some stupidity.
The last minister Christina Lambrecht opened her mouth, urged to deprive Putin of the opportunity to shop in shops on the Champs Elysees well... an elderly, stupid as a chicken, housewife.
German statesman, Minister of Defense, however

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: den3080

The last minister, Christina Lambrecht, opened her mouth and called for depriving Putin of the opportunity to shop in shops on the Champs-Elysées, well ... an elderly, stupid, like a chicken, housewife.

The Minister of Defense is essentially an administrator.

[den3080]

Quote: Lt. Air Force stock

Quote: den3080

The last minister, Christina Lambrecht, opened her mouth and called for depriving Putin of the opportunity to shop in shops on the Champs-Elysées, well ... an elderly, stupid, like a chicken, housewife.

The Minister of Defense is essentially an administrator.

So what? If the administrator has professional experience - shopping on the Champs Elysees and helping pensioners.
What will she administer in the armed forces? Organize excursions to Paris, to lingerie and perfume shops?

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: den3080

So what? If the administrator has professional experience - shopping on the Champs Elysees and helping pensioners.
What will she administer in the armed forces? Organize excursions to Paris, to lingerie and perfume shops?

Well, in the United States, as a rule, presidents become those who do not understand anything at all, except for undercover political games. However, this does not prevent them from fulfilling their duties, there are a lot of advisers who are listened to, and if not, there is always a congress that will "set their brains" quickly. If the post of Minister of Defense were purely military, then it would be occupied by generals, people in uniform, but according to this logic, the president, as supreme commander, should also be a military general.

[den3080]

I would say this:
The position of Minister of Defense is purely military-administrative, there should be no politics there, except for the implementation of the internal "settings" of the state.

But the presidents of countries, just become politicians, not professionals. And they hang the supreme commander in chief for one simple, but very funny reason - all responsibility for starting a war lies with the presidents or the first person of the state.
Napoliticanil before the war - we will execute the order, and hang (if anything) just you. And who will do it (the victorious adversary, the angry own people or the immediate environment) - these are already details.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Alex_1973

You can’t say anything quickly, but respect the admiral, you don’t often meet adequate people in the West.

In the West, it is now like a tub of cold water poured over the head. Imagine, when all the media are forbidden to say and write that “Crimea is Russia”, these words are automatically thrown out, like on our website “idiot”, and here it’s not some kind of journalist, but the commander of the country’s Navy. Having removed the commander of the Navy, the German authorities signed their servile nature to the owner, and the absence of democracy in the country.

[alex neym_2]

Here is a prime example of freedom of speech. He also stated that this is his personal opinion.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: aleks neym_2

Here is a prime example of freedom of speech. He also stated that this is his personal opinion.

There can be no personal opinion in the flock, in the flock either everyone barks, or everyone is silent. Anyone who does not comply will be torn to shreds. But it is interesting that at the moment the head of the pack is not a male, but a female. That's when "if the pieman begins to sharpen his boots, and the lady will command the army."

[cat Rusich]

Quote: tihonmarine

. But it is interesting that at the moment the head of the pack is not a male, but a female. That's when "if the pieman starts sharpening his boots, and the lady will command the army."

У hyenas head of the pack FEMALE

[tihonmarine]

Quote: cat Rusich

The hyenas have the head of the pack FEMALE

Once a Kaiser, then a corporal, and now a hyena. The fatherland is shrinking.

[antikilller55]

Another proof that "everyone knows the truth" but play their game. The commander-in-chief had the courage to voice this, but only before retirement, when nothing was scary anymore and there was nothing to lose.

[LiSiCyn]

Quote: antikilller55

The commander-in-chief had the courage to voice this, but only before retirement, when nothing was scary anymore and there was nothing to lose.

Yeah, he didn't mean to...
The Germans really do not want to get involved in this adventure with Ukraine. And this is the opinion of not only the commander-in-chief, but of the entire Bundeswehr. Memories are still too alive, and such allies will smear with mud so that they again suffer from washing off.

[antikilller55]

such allies will smear with mud so that they will again be tormented to wash themselves.

that's for sure.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: LiSiCyn

Quote: antikilller55

The commander-in-chief had the courage to voice this, but only before retirement, when nothing was scary anymore and there was nothing to lose.

Yeah, he didn't mean to...
The Germans really do not want to get involved in this adventure with Ukraine. And this is the opinion of not only the commander-in-chief, but of the entire Bundeswehr. Memories are still too alive, and such allies will smear with mud so that they again suffer from washing off.

What's right is right. To the great despondency of the ukrobanderlogs, Germany refused to supply weapons to Ukraine, and the UK has to carry weapons by plane to Ukraine, bypassing German airspace. Well, the fact that the Germans did not cut down the construction of the SP-2 project and contributed to its completion is a reason for Ukraine to accuse the Germans of organizing a "gas morrow" of Schenevmerlikov.

[LiSiCyn]

Dmitry, ours to you ...

Quote: Nyrobsky

"gasmora"

Interesting expression.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: LiSiCyn

Dmitry, ours to you ...

Quote: Nyrobsky

"gasmora"

Interesting expression.

It is now fashionable for them - "Holodomor", "Coal", "Gazomor". Evil tongues say that "salomor" is on the way for them. this strategic product on their shelves is increasingly of imported origin.
Welcome

[boris epstein]

Salomor. No, it's getting worse. Khlebomor. Naftogaz inflated prices for industrial enterprises, including bakeries. Now it has become more profitable to sell grain abroad than to supply it to bakeries. Bread prices have skyrocketed.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: boris epstein

Salomor. No, it's getting worse. Khlebomor. Naftogaz inflated prices for industrial enterprises, including bakeries. Now it has become more profitable to sell grain abroad than to supply it to bakeries. Bread prices have skyrocketed.

La! It is not easier for non-rabs from time to time! Only one thing is not known, what for did they need such a Europe, if they lived ten times more satisfying and warmer within the framework of autonomous Ukraine? Probably get sick

[Volga073]

And this is democracy?

[Ingvar 72]

This is the policy of the party, and this is the main thing for the military. Everywhere.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Volga073

And this is democracy?

According to them, yes

[dedBoroded]

Now he can calmly come to bask in the Crimean sun

[unhappy]

This beach is ours!

[Egoza]

Quote: dedBoroded

Now he can calmly come to bask in the Crimean sun

It will be necessary to send an invitation in the summer! )))

[unhappy]

This was said by the admiral, but you need to wait for a little boy to say these obvious words, as in a fairy tale: "... and the king is naked"! And everyone will start clamoring: "it's true, Crimea belongs to Russia."

[LiSiCyn]

Quote: unhappy

you have to wait for these obvious words to be said by a little boy

Will the girl go? Thunberg for example...

[boris epstein]

The girl will go, but not Thunberg. She is in the system, that is, in the pack and clearly knows what is expected of her.

[yuriy55]

Quote: unhappy

but you need to wait for the little boy to say these obvious words

And the little girl Gretta Thunberg will not be able to convince Europe?
She's obsessed with the environment. Explain to her that Western adversaries, for example, cut off the water to the Russian Crimea ...

[AUL]

Greta has already worked off steam in her show. A year ago, some of the townsfolk watched it with interest, but now everyone is already tired of it - zero novelty, it has grown up, has lost its freshness. And serious people in Europe, on whom anything depends, never listened to her!

[yuriy55]

Quote from AUL

Greta has already worked off steam in her show.

That's it, I see that Europeans are no longer so much concerned about the environment as about energy prices ... Low temperatures and naive gullibility for short-term contracts work true miracles ...
In the cold of winter, everyone is young... Maybe this will clear the brains of serious European people...

[aybolyt678]

The word is not a sparrow, you won’t catch it flying out ....

[Roma 1977]

On the contrary: "The word is not a sparrow. If you catch it, you will fly out." (With)

[your vsr 66-67]

The military must be out of politics!

[unhappy]

And the Minister of Defense is an officer, not a woman (in kind)!

[yuriy55]

Kai-Achim Schönbach, who called Crimea the Russian Commander-in-Chief of the German Navy, was dismissed...

... and Crimea remained Russian.

[Fitter65]

Commander of the German Navy Kai-Achim Schönbach, who called Crimea Russian, resigned,

Let him also say thanks that he will receive a pension, and not be kicked out in disgrace in the Russian Federation.

[riwas]

Kai-Achim Schönbach, who called Crimea the Russian Commander-in-Chief of the German Navy, was dismissed

It is quite possible that he was already going to retire, but in the end he decided to express his own opinion.

[Egoza]

Quote: riwas

It is quite possible that he was already going to retire, but in the end he decided to express his own opinion.

And be sure that his words did not pass by the ears of the German Navy. The people will listen, think and ... it will make sense.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Egoza

..... And be sure that his words did not pass by the ears of the German Navy. The people will listen, think and ... it will make sense.

he was already so tired of it all, apparently that he spoke out to spite everyone!

[Roma 1977]

Chel competently jumped off. When they begin to sort out the smoking rubble, he alone will be all in white, like an Odessa citizen in a circus.

[Clear]

Quote: Roma-1977

Chel competently jumped off. When they begin to sort out the smoking rubble, he alone will be all in white, like an Odessa citizen in a circus.

I think so. Well, the commander-in-chief could not help but calculate the consequences of his statement.

[your1970]

Quote: Clear

Quote: Roma-1977

Chel competently jumped off. When they begin to sort out the smoking rubble, he alone will be all in white, like an Odessa citizen in a circus.

I think so. Well, the commander-in-chief could not help but calculate the consequences of his statement.

I wouldn't be surprised if he stuck his nose in accounting department fleet, saw the frenzied theft and decided to get off in the most elegant way - with a pension and some political weight.
Let's go into opposition to the current party - competitors will pick up immediately

[your1970]

Minusers apparently did not read about the current corruption in Germany ..

[tralflot1832]

Admiral, with his statement, beautifully refused to participate in a possible war with us!

[Clear]

Quote: tralflot1832

Admiral, with his statement, beautifully refused to participate in a possible war with us!

Because he really knows the capabilities of NATO and Russia in the war.

[yuriy55]

It should be noted that Schönbach's statement about the Russian Crimea aroused indignation in Kiev, which painfully perceives all statements of this kind.

A daily reminder that Ukraine NEVER had the right to Crimea, and the return of the peninsula to its native walls is the beginning of a stage in restoring historical justice...
Daily warning about the closure of gas supplies through Ukraine after January 1, 2024...
Daily ignorance of the Ukrainian state as a source of aggression, Nazism and Russophobia...
They will allow to heat up the process of seething of substances to a critical state.
There is no need to reassure anyone. If they want to be enemies of Russia, let them be, as long as they don't stick themselves in the zone of Russian interests.
You need to spend less energy on words and more on deeds.

[K-50]

Kai-Achim Schönbach, who called Crimea the Russian Commander-in-Chief of the German Navy, was dismissed

Yes, what kind of idiocy has it come that the constancy of a fact, an obvious situation, leads to resignation.

[Roma 1977]

As in Andersen's fairy tale, only a desperate kid found the courage to shout: "And the king is naked!"

[Dimy4]

It seems that the men of the Teutons have not yet died out. He knew what he was doing, and before resigning to the mug of the entire Western world with his moronic policy towards Russia, he spat.

[Emergency]

By planted women in ministerial posts, and they are either persons with reduced social responsibility, or complete fools. The smart guy was fired. Although ... maybe it's for the best? The less smart people they have, the better for us.

[Sergey M. Karasev]

The less smart people they have, the better for us.

Rather, on the contrary. Dzyubil in power is a monkey with a grenade. Go and guess what can come to his half-gyrus! Then it will be unrealistic to clear up the consequences.

[Emergency]

Yes-ah-ah-ah. Here I got excited.

[Cat Alexandrovich]

He is aiming for the leaders of the naval PMC for the protection of the Nord Stream!

[Fedorovich]

Freedom and democracy...

Quote: aszzz888

Will they give him a pension now?

But this is definitely not worth worrying about - he obviously managed to take care of himself.

[Mimoxod]

It’s a pity for adequate realists in the West, it’s good that they exist, we must help such people ...

[demo]

This event says only one thing.
Despite the brainwashing, true thoughts and feelings erupt to the surface on loyalty sorting.
And it's not just hard to deal with it, it's impossible. Lies are always disgusting. A lying person feels uncomfortable. Although there are pathological liars, there are not so many of them and this is a mental deviation.
And oddly enough, most of these live and are well in Ukraine.

[Clear]

Quote: demo

Despite the brainwashing, true thoughts and feelings erupt to the surface on loyalty sorting.

People like this former commander-in-chief of the German Navy really understand the beginning of the destruction of Western unipolarity.
For them, the question is from the category of "yes or no?" moved to the category "when?".
Hence the meaningful statement at the price of resignation.

[demo]

After listening to many lectures by Professor Savelyev, you begin to look at the representatives of the "European civilization" in a completely different way. Such a cruel selection on the grounds of loyalty, denunciation, meanness, etc. for 700 years is hard to imagine.
"We" and "they" as representatives of diverse planetary civilizations.
And it is almost impossible for us to agree among ourselves, especially the leaders of the countries.
And to me, an ordinary renovator, it’s completely incomprehensible what hopes our nouveaux riches who have settled “in the west” cherish, that their “honestly earned by overwork” will not eventually become the “legitimate prey” of local natives ..
And this among "them" is considered a manifestation of valor and honor.
And the leadership of our country is also perceived by me as completely unreasonable children who have been arguing for many years that the "Western world" is partners.
The king cobra and the Nile crocodile are more "partners" than Europeans and Americans.

[Borisych]

Sorry officer. He did not break the oath and did not do a discrediting act. This lousy minister of the Federal Republic of Germany should have her head in the trash.

[cniza]

Kai-Achim Schönbach, who called Crimea the Russian Commander-in-Chief of the German Navy, was dismissed

This proves once again that they are afraid of the truth...

[neurostimulator]

Kai-Achim Schönbach, who called Crimea the Russian Commander-in-Chief of the German Navy, was dismissed

... ???!!! How was he retired???!!! ... Yes, he said everything correctly !!! ...

I don't mean Crimea, but everything else! Read the previous post here! Crimea has always been ours anyway ... Gee ... The only high-ranking officer who, in his right mind and clear memory, in the most unambiguous way described what needs to be done next - was fired?! .. It would be understandable if for words our commander was fired against China, .. and here, everything was said correctly, in the right place, at the right time, by an educated, authoritative person - and here you are, a gift! ...
And who will now command the fleet ... relatives of the depraved Analena? ..
Hitler lost the war because he PUSHED the personnel command into the background, relied on half-witted swineherds and did not understand his mistake in time. In his beloved SS troops, there was so much arrogance and ambition instead of education and upbringing that they could be shot at night for a kilometer without night vision devices, like hares in a meadow - they were just as stupid and shone just the same! ..
You know what, comrades Germans, you won’t rebuild Great Germany anew to the end! And so the American base will stand on your earth, like a dozen in the center of the target. And, in the end, you will end up in a lifelong occupation .. no, not to us, why did we build a gas pipeline then? ... Not to us, but to TURK migrants ... and without a single shot ...
Wake up, you are representatives of a great culture! It will not work further to live as Chukhons.

[rotmistr60]

For once a German high-ranking military man told the truth, he was immediately forced to resign. In Germany, many commenting on this event express frank dissatisfaction with the groveling of the German elite in front of the United States and currying favor with Ukraine. But how happy the Ukrainian ambassador to Germany is - the Germans, instead of expelling him for threats and interference in the internal affairs of the country, made such concessions that the Ukrainians did not even dream of.

[TatarinSSSR]

The fact is that in Germany, and indeed in Europe in general, there are no old, independent, strong-willed politicians left in power. They were replaced by pupils of the State Department. To whom the decree from Washington is more important than his own mother.

[parkhachev alexander]

everything remains in Germany - they just act differently - unlike us, they realized that the economy conquers countries more effectively than military power, and now Germany is the leader of the EU and is building a new Reich

[Nikolay Ivanov_5]

The main thing in modern Germany is the disappearance or absence of the right to have one's own political will. The master of Germany today is and will be Washington for a long time to come.

[Che Prague]

Whether Schönbach resigned or not, the political and territorial position of Crimea will not change.

[TatarinSSSR]

This is freedom of speech and democracy according to the Western standard. Yes, he is an official. But this is his personal opinion. He didn't break his oath.

[Bad Pig (Ham)]

Well, now they will have the "correct" Commander-in-Chief of the Navy - a gay who will assure everyone that "Crimea is Ukraine" ...
the last adequate person was kicked out and they rejoice like children ...
total ukranization of the West-satisfied!

[Moskovit]

In Ukraine, a public holiday. Because of them, such a lump was dismissed. But how will this event resonate with the German elite? Because of some beggars and beggars, they are expelled from work. The split continues

[neurostimulator]

Very correct remark.

[Roma 1977]

It was the revenge of Ukraine for the fact that the Germans sent them Klitschko as the mayor of Kiev.

[Xenofont]

It seems that in Kueva they already suspect that Kaklandia is the mistress of the world! Pathetic German slaves took a pose: - What do you want?

[Timur_3]

Good man. An officer.
If people like him served with us, the DPR and LPR, they would have been part of Russia long ago.

[neurostimulator]

Top ten. But it would be more correct to say, despite the fact that we have the same ...

[Emergency]

The FRG as a whole and its Navy in particular have been humiliated throughout the world. I do not think that this added to the Germans' love for hohls.

[neurostimulator]

It would be better if the United States was humiliated.

[Real Pilot]

Quote: aszzz888

Kai-Achim Schönbach, commander of the German Navy, who called Crimea Russian, resigned...

That's the kind of "freedom of speech" they have there. Slightly vyakknul something wrong - walk in civilian life. (Will they give him a pension now? )

And now they have someone like it! Who is a citizen, and who is a citizen ...

And a normal man told the truth, while at the international forum, where there should be a real discussion. Especially in India. They would look askance at him if he spoke in the usual way about "Russian aggression" and scolded the purchase of the S-400. Just his words corresponded to the place and time. He came to build bridges, not lecture his colleagues about the inviolability of American hegemony.

But this is the system of negative selection in action. Smart retired, stupid for promotion ... And then they are surprised that their army is not combat-ready and is decomposing! Instead of generals, gynecologists - and where will they end up, let me ask?

[AML]

I think this is an official stuffing to probe the situation. Most likely, he was already going to retire anyway, and before leaving he expressed the opinion of a certain circle of people. Well, make some noise, let them forget. But the thought remains that there are many dissenters in Germany, including among the military. Germany has secured itself. In the case of any shukhrah, they will be able to say that we see the signals for you.

[Yurahip]

Now farting the wrong way in the west is a problem! Togo and look what will be caught in the propaganda of Russian gas and dismissed!

[vadoc]

Quote: vadoc

In order not to be unfounded - facts, please ....

Quote: faiver

it's like that everywhere, and we too ...

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Shenbakh tupanul .... I had to say .. on the territory of the former GDR whose legislation is in force !!! Isn't it Germany!!! therefore, the inhabitants of Crimea chose the legislation of the Russian Federation for themselves ..... and so ... Western gender psychosis should be included in the analyses of psychiatry as a disease of mental disorders ... you look, someone will defend a doctoral dissertation in this direction

[16112014nk]

He told the truth - he described the situation as it is - please resign. Democracy in the West.
Although, if you think about it, we are no better. The authorities do not like the truth anywhere.

[expert]

Everyone who lives in Germany knows the story of Thilo Sarrazin (born February 12, 1945 in Gera), a German economist, writer and politician.
At one time, among very high positions, he was the financial senator of Berlin and a member of the board of directors of the Bundesbank.
And so, in addition to Sarrazin's harsh statements about foreigners living in the country and not working, he published in 2010 the book "Germany is becoming obsolete." I wrote the truth.
The dude was just devoured. Including expelled from the party (SPD).
Sometimes I watch and listen to what some people in Russia allow themselves to say publicly, I think, yes, guys, you are lucky that you live under the "Putin regime". Here, in Germany, "tongues would have been cut long ago" for you. Here is freedom!

[expert]

When I wrote about Sarrazin, let me think, I’ll check the reaction of the “truth-lovers”, I will mention the “Putin regime”.
In terms of irony.
It worked!
Downvoted.

[Incvizitor]

In the West, the truth has always been feared like fire, because everything there is built on a lie.

[parkhachev alexander]

he makes such statements - realists prefer not to make such statements

[konstantin68]

They also have real officers!

[Intourist]

There is nothing to add to these words!

[singless]

will soon ask for a Russian passport

[hohohol]

"German arrogance and megalomania. Although Ukraine welcomes the timely resignation of the commander of the German Navy, Kai-Achim Schonbach, this step is not enough to restore full confidence in German politics. The German government must change course regarding Kiev," Miller wrote.

And the Germans silently swallowed it. Apparently Ukraine is a more important economic partner than Russia

[tolmachiev51]

.. "Christina Lambrecht held urgent consultations with the Inspector General of the Armed Forces of Germany Eberhard Zorn" - the gynecologist consulted with the head doctor and decided to discharge the "patient" !!! Don’t worry about the fleet, the admiral, they think the same way as you, only democracy does not allow you to speak.

[Sergey-ADE2]

It’s just that they resign for words, but we don’t have one "" who will be held responsible - a 7-year-old girl in Domna was bitten to death by a pack of dogs, the daughter of the commander of the pilot detachment who received a medal for courage from Putin's hands and that, everything is as it should be Well done, so where is the freedom of speech??

[Cynic]

Quote: tolmachiev51

we have none and one "" will not be held responsible -

From humanists, squealing on every corner about non-observance of rights and infringement of freedoms. Particularly animals.
Do you recognize yourself in them?

[Sergey-ADE2]

Here I am just not a humanist, and therefore disgusting.

[mher]

Nash patcan

[iouris]

We still need to look at what position this admiral was sent to retire.

[Astra55]

Yes, to Schroeder as an assistant...

[rotfuks]

. In contrast to this officer, German Defense Minister Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer called for containing Russia with nuclear weapons and after that calmly sat in the minister's chair.

[xomaNN]

What's the proverb "What's in the mind of a sober man, a drunk man (... or a military man) ) on the tongue

The admiral suffered for his sober assessment of the situation. Those. for the truth. It’s strange that Germany so sharply “bent in” to the colonial country(?) of W.

[Strannik96]

So he also said about Putin: “it’s easy to show him the respect that he most likely deserves.” Saying good things about Russia and Putin is not permissible courage in the West

[Diverter]

in fact, I think the general expressed a sensible opinion, and the fact that he was kicked out for this can only be a good thing. The fewer sensible officers they have, the better. Ideally, everyone would be like in 404. Pan-headed skakuas.
On the other hand, it is possible that he was simply in a hurry. And Europe understands with its brain that we need to live as good neighbors. And then everyone will be fine.

[agoran]

I have a normal attitude towards Germans.
Lived in kreis Neubrandenburg for 5 years.
Example: there were flowers growing in the garden near the house, I asked to buy them from a German woman because my wife was coming. The German woman collected a bouquet and flatly refused to take the money.
My wife really liked the flowers, took a box of chocolates to the German woman, invited her for coffee, and became friends.
Why am I telling you, the Germans tell the truth as they think.
al so, the commander of the Navy expressed his point of view and he was fired.
I wonder how the military forces of the German Navy will support the government.

[ZashibNoi_2007]

Let Schönbach transport himself and his family to Russia; the Kremlin will take care of both the Crimean house and citizenship :)

[Glagol1]

He's not neat. Now I’ve already become a peacemaker. The stubborn ones follow phrases online without even sleeping. As for freedom of speech in the West, it exists, but only if you present it within the mainstream. He went outside with his word, that’s it, get ready for execution.

[RuVik]

90% of comments from German residents were sympathetic to the admiral’s statement.
https://web.de/magazine/politik/ukraine-krise/marine-chef-schoenbach-tritt-umstrittenen-putin-aussagen-zurueck-36537676
Ralph Koehler
The head of the Navy told the honest truth, and that is his right! The warmongers in Ukraine and the NATO bosses, as well as the governments behind them, should think about what happened then in Cuba... Wasn't Russia then an active "friendly" state with nuclear weapons, like NATO is today in Ukraine, although NATO promised as the price for German unity not to expand to the East? Didn’t Russia also de-escalate and retreat back then? Doesn't Putin have the right to move around his territory as he pleases? Isn't Putin allowed to point out the deceit and incitement of the Americans/NATO? This and nothing else is behind the Navy Chief's statements, they are absolutely true and have the same effect on normal people... whoever demonizes him is a warmonger and does not understand the facts!

Ronald Muecksch
Tyll Spiegel#99, your question is easy to answer: Putin is a true statesman with an extremely high intelligence and does everything for his people. It is when he has to spontaneously answer provocative questions from the Western media that a serious difference is visible with the stammering Merkel, who no longer knew what to say when only one unasked question came in, let alone from the current incumbents. And here are some facts: 1999 GDP at purchasing power parity in $ billion = 620; in 2019 = 4213, which is almost 7 times more Average salary in 1999 = 1523; 2019 = 43944 Unemployment 1999 = 13%; 2019 = 4,7% Life expectancy 1999 = 66; 2019 = 71,6 Birth rate 1999 = 1,16; 2019 = 1,75 This should be enough as an example for comparison with Germany, where it has been falling vertically in a wide front since 2000. And by the way, in Russia everyone can speak their mind, there is no censorship like here in our media such as GMX, WEB and YouTube. There are also no black hordes capturing citizens because they don't wear masks or other pointless demands. Is that enough justification for you?

Leo Bock
#454, Dieter Wenzel "I am proud that there is at least one man like Schönbach in Germany. I think other senior officers are of the same opinion." Quite possible. But if they are much younger than Schönbach, they cannot express themselves accordingly. Only thoughts are free...

[RuVik]

Heinrich Mayer-Faust
Schönbach is simply right. He created diplomatic confusion by saying what everyone was thinking. Ukraine is a great market for everything we want to get rid of, plus a huge area of ​​agricultural exploitation to further destroy our agriculture. Gas flows through Ukraine and Poland to Europe, making it more expensive for Europe to purchase than direct purchase. France wants to sell its nuclear energy, and the United States wants to sell gas produced by hydraulic fracturing. Ukrainians consider themselves a European player because they (still) have a gas tap. Ultimately, however, European coffers provide no room for further immigration of the poor, and no one in the West can afford (military) gifts. For the USA, this is all for the sake of saving face, they give 200 million so as not to look completely stupid, because they will not send a single soldier to Ukraine. And they will not give them weapons with which Ukraine could confront the Russians. Nobody really wants Ukraine and they forgot that one of their greatest heroes was a strict Nazi. They now differentiate between "good" and "bad" Nazis, with the Germans again being the bad guys. Crimea belonged to Russia since the time of Tsarina Catherine (also German) and became part of the Ukrainian Soviet Republic only as a result of an administrative act in the early 1950s. We could ask Poland to return the “free Hanseatic city of Danzig.” Germany started a war with the Soviet Union that killed 60 million people, which may lead us to expect Germany, of all countries, to hold its own. Hasn't Mrs. Merkel allowed herself to fool Mrs. Tymoshenko (the gas princess) enough? There are enough oligarchs in Ukraine who could buy enough weapons on the market if they wanted. In the end, it's all about money.

Dieter Wenzel
I am proud that there is at least one person like Schönbach in Germany. Think other senior officers are of the same opinion. After all, military craft does not work without recognition of reality. Something else is what the media offers dumbed-down people in terms of opinion.

Marcus Fenslau

@#398 Martin Pfitzenmaier In short: you ! 1. when a country acts irrationally, as during the AH or now, people like Vice Admiral Schönbach are the voice of reason! 2. Mr. Schönbach is first of all a man, then a soldier and, thank God, not stupid! 3. politics is a whore! (Here: Yankee vassal!) 4. Crimea is and NEVER was Ukraine. Russia is moving its own troops onto its own territory. 5. “With Russia “against” China?” Yes! An incredible but very far-sighted conclusion by Vice Admiral Schönbach.


Gary Vox
Amazing. Vice Admiral and head of the German Navy Kai-Achim Schönbach actually got into trouble with our Minister of Defense and Minister of Sanctions. Just yesterday I was afraid of this. I didn't know that US influence was so strong in our country.

[RuVik]

https://web.de/magazine/politik/ukraine-krise/marine-chef-schoenbach-tritt-umstrittenen-putin-aussagen-zurueck-36537676


Walter Weber
Mister Admiral is a real man! Bravo!!! What are old aunties doing in the Bundeswehr?


Clara Kraft
I respect you!!! This gives hope for better, fairer times in this country!

[Charik]

Was it sent like that or did you write it yourself?

[Baron pardus]

Yes, there is no freedom of speech in the “civilized” West. Or rather, there is. As long as you say what the liberals want from you. You say that there are “50 genders” - you can talk, but if you say that there are only 2 genders - you are a homophobe, a transphobe, a Nazi, a fascist, a Stalinist, a Maoist, a Christian fanatic who wants to bring back the Inquisition (which would actually be nice, there are a lot of schizoids), you can quit. Myself. At your own request. You say that “BLM are peaceful protesters” - say it, even though it is blatant nonsense. But if you say that BLM is a bunch of bandits, lesson and gopniks and looters - quit - you are a racist, fascist, Stalinist, Maoist, communist, and generally a Klansman. Metallica, the funniest thing, sang about this back in the 80s “Freedom - with their exceptions” - they say there is freedom, but with restrictions that “THEY” determine (not you).
Freedom of speech in the West, at the moment, is something like that old joke “I can shout in Washington that Reagan is an asshole and nothing will happen to me.” “Yes, I can also shout on Red Square that Reagan is an asshole and nothing will happen to me either.” will not be."
Anti-Soviet jokes have become truth and reality in the USA. In the USA, even stickers and banners appeared “The book “1984” was NOT an instruction manual.” Yes, in New York they demolished a monument to Theodore Roosevelt, who was one of the first to say that “People should be judged by their actions, and no other parameters." His monument was demolished because he is a "Racist." By the way, Martin Luther King said exactly the same words, but AFTER Teddy Roosevelt. That's it.
Do you know how sometimes they pack all sorts of cheap, damn garbage in beautiful paper and packaging? So this is exactly what “Western civilization” is all about. You look from the outside - it’s beautiful, shiny, inviting. And if you unravel what’s behind this tinsel, it all looks completely unsightly.

This is why American generals and admirals say ONE THING when IN SERVICE, but when they retire, SAY DIFFERENTLY. You can say your point of view ONLY when your career is out of danger. Yes, the whole society here is like that. IN PUBLIC they say one thing, but “among their own people” it is completely different. Therefore, I personally know people who at work go to seminars on combating racism, and make speeches there that are correctly expressed 25 times. And then among our own “14/88”. The entire Western “civilization” is affected by the most serious schizophrenia and psychosis.

[Lutens]

The man studied military history when he received his education. World War 2 German ships fought with someone in the Mediterranean and Black Sea, but the guys would be shocked that they were opposed by the powerful Ukrainian fleet. And if we put aside the humor, the German fleet is very weak, and he He knows this. He won’t be able to withstand a serious war without the support of his allies with any major state. The German Grand Fleet died a long time ago, and what it has now can lose, even to the Iranian fleet - it’s just on its way.