US Navy soldier suspected of arson UDC Bonhomme Richard was promoted during the investigation

January 22 2022 50

As a result of the fire at the Bonhomme Richard in July 2020, it was decided to decommission the 40-ton amphibious assault ship at a cost of $4 billion (according to 2020 estimates, before the incident). US Navy soldier Ryan Sawyer Mays is accused of setting it on fire, whose title American journalists cannot figure out.

As noted in the Navy Times, if at the hearing in December 2021 he wore the badges of junior sailor (rank E-2), then this year he appeared before the court already in the rank of sailor (E-3, three white stripes on the left sleeve) . In fact, during the investigation, he was promoted.

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The US Navy is well known for its strict adherence to uniform standards. At the same time, the Navy cannot explain why the soldier wore the wrong insignia.

Mays' lawyer explained that his uniform was carefully checked by the command before the court hearings.

Such close attention of American journalists to the title of Mays is due to the fact that while proceedings are underway against him, he is gradually moving up in the service. If at the time of the fire Mays was a recruit (he didn’t have any badges at all), then in June 2021 he was transferred to the rank of junior sailor. And, as already noted, judging by the new badges, Mays has already advanced to the rank of sailor.

I think it is a prudent decision [not to interfere with the suspect's career progression] in order to avoid any appearance of unlawful pre-trial punishment. The government has no advantage in preventing this promotion

- said the former military prosecutor.

In general, the defense argues that there is no physical evidence at all linking Mays to the UDC fire. Prosecutors, referring to the testimony of witnesses, declare that the sailor, being dissatisfied with his service, was near the source of ignition. While litigation is going on, the soldier is growing in rank.

As they joked on the network, while the investigation is ongoing, Mace will rise to the rank of admiral ...

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Retvizan 8

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22 January 2022 14: 19

"A US Navy soldier suspected of setting fire to UDC Bonhomme Richard was promoted during the investigation" ...
Yeah, we got a corporal in the SVR!
1. TermNachTer
  
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  22 January 2022 15: 22
  
  No, they gave the Hero of Russia, but the order for the award is top-secret, so they will announce it later when the statute of limitations comes out)))
  1. Charik
    
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    23 January 2022 22: 19
    
    the hero of Russia was given to Serdyuk, I wonder for what amount of "spent" rubles?
2. den3080
  
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  22 January 2022 16: 23
  
  From a legal point of view, a person is innocent until there is a court decision on his guilt. This means, in turn, that there are no real obstacles to conferring another title on him.
  1. antikilller55
    
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    23 January 2022 07: 19
    
    They took it off the tongue, I fully support it.
  2. Charik
    
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    23 January 2022 22: 23
    
    one lawyer will do more than a couple of scumbags with weapons. or something like that, some mafioso said. Plus, probably still free?
  3. TermNachTer
    
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    24 January 2022 13: 39
    
    If you follow your logic, if they couldn’t prove his guilt, then he should be promoted and assigned to another UDC, even if he burns him.
3. Bad_gr
  
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  22 January 2022 18: 10
  
  Quote: Retvizan 8
  "A US Navy soldier suspected of setting fire to UDC Bonhomme Richard was promoted during the investigation" ...
  
  I read this sentence a little differently:
  "A US Navy soldier suspected of setting fire to UDC Bonhomme Richard was interrogated during the investigation.Еshen..... "
  and only when I finished reading ".... in rank" I realized that I was slightly mistaken.
tralflot1832

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22 January 2022 14: 19

After reading the title of the article, at first I thought that he received the extraordinary rank of admiral of the Russian Navy and a certificate of honor from the Ministry of Emergency Situations for courage in a fire! What is it, a salary increase?
Vasyan1971

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22 January 2022 14: 25

US Navy soldier suspected of arson UDC Bonhomme Richard was promoted during the investigation

Because the principles of "highly like" and "the legality of pre-trial punishment" work for everyone except the exceptional themselves.
1. SKVichyakow
  
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  22 January 2022 15: 05
  
  Quote: Vasyan1971
  US Navy soldier suspected of arson UDC Bonhomme Richard was promoted during the investigation
  
  Because the principles of "highly like" and "the legality of pre-trial punishment" work for everyone except the exceptional themselves.
  
  This principle works for everything related to politics or foreigners, for their own citizens, proof is needed.
2. Zoldat_A
  
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  22 January 2022 17: 33
  Quote: Vasyan1971
  the principles of "highly like" and "the legality of pre-trial punishment" work for everyone except the exceptional ones themselves.
  
  What are people arguing about? "Legal"... "Illegal"...
  Lieutenant W. Kelly knows everything about American military ships. How a sentence of "life imprisonment" turns... turns... into three and a half years of house arrest.
  1. Bad_gr
    
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    22 January 2022 18: 18
    
    _In the Norwegian prison Skien, a court session has begun, which may decide on the early release of far-right extremist Anders Breivik. Breivik, who 11 years ago killed 69 people in a camp on the island of Utoya and staged an explosion in Oslo, which killed 8 people, served a little less than half of his sentence.
    
    _ Breivik's application for early release from prison is considered by the Telemark County Court at an off-site meeting in Skien Prison, where the extremist is serving his sentence.................................
    https://www.bbc.com/russian/news-60038481
  2. Vasyan1971
    
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    22 January 2022 18: 45
    
    Quote: Zoldat_A
    Lieutenant W. Kelly knows everything about American military ships.
    
    In this case, there is one ma-a-scarlet nuance. It's one thing to cut some inferior natives, and another thing to burn your own warship. It was the late McCain who got away with this, but the simple sailor does not know, although he may be acquitted due to lack of evidence. Options are possible.
    1. Zoldat_A
      
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      22 January 2022 23: 06
      
      Quote: Vasyan1971
      A trial has begun in the Norwegian prison of Skien, which may decide on the early release of far-right extremist Anders Breivik.
      
      Quote: Vasyan1971
      In this case, there is one ma-a-scarlet nuance. It's one thing to cut some inferior natives
      
      Breivik didn't shoot natives on safari like Kelly. And nothing. And this one will be kept in a pre-trial detention center for a couple more years, and then they will be released "in connection with serving the term."
      
      McCain is a different story. Damage to military America was caused no less than any other enemy pilot. But not all dads are like that.
      1. Vasyan1971
        
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        23 January 2022 09: 27
        
        Mixed up in a bunch of people, horses ...©
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        Breivik not natives on safari shot
        
        In court, I remember, he wept about the fate of his Norway, perishing under the invasion of Semites and Muslims who had come in large numbers.
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        they will be kept in jail for a couple more years, and then they will be released "in connection with serving the term."
        
        Such laws in Norway. There are no life or death sentences.
      2. Vasyan1971
        
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        23 January 2022 10: 14
        
        I agree about kidneys.
alone

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22 January 2022 14: 26

actually a funny story ... I could immediately put on admiral's stripes. . What's so petty
Alien From

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22 January 2022 14: 30

How much then did Maxim Maksimovich Isaev burn in total if he rose to the rank of colonel))))
1. Paranoid50
  
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  22 January 2022 15: 31
  
  Quote: Alien From
  How much, then, did Maxim Maksimovich Isaev burn in total?
  
  At a minimum, Bismarck and Tirpitz, and all the actions of the Brit. The Navy is just a cover for this sabotage of the century. .
K-50

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22 January 2022 14: 33

US Navy soldier suspected of arson UDC Bonhomme Richard was promoted during the investigation

So you did everything right?
What a good fellow!
Galleon

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22 January 2022 14: 40

It’s just wild for us to laugh - it’s just wild for us, from time immemorial, everything has been decided by royal mercy. Or no mercy. And the Anglo-Saxons have almost 1000 years (the Magna Carta - 1215) the principle of the rule of law. For them, it is quite obvious that until a person is found guilty in a court of law, he is not limited in his rights. It will be necessary - the judge will cancel the promotion or even deprive this title. Paid money - will make return. In the meantime, this sailor, like all the other sailors. Guys, it's not just that this nation has been putting everyone with cancer for 400 years - from somewhere they take the strength for this. Maybe from such an attitude too?
1. Flooding
  
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  22 January 2022 15: 44
  
  Quote: Galleon
  the Anglo-Saxons have almost 1000 years (the Magna Carta - 1215) the principle of the rule of law. For them, it is quite obvious that until a person is found guilty in a court of law, he is not limited in his rights.
  
  that's for sure
  it is only necessary to recall that in the British Empire not everyone enjoyed equal rights.
  And on the island itself, these rights did not save, for example, peasants from fencing.
  1. Galleon
    
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    22 January 2022 16: 48
    
    Quote: Flood
    in the British Empire, not everyone enjoyed equal rights.
    And on the island itself, these rights did not save, for example, peasants from fencing.
    
    No one ever has completely equal rights - any society is hierarchical: even for bees or ants, even for people.
    In England, the same laws are harsh. Even now they have criminal liability from the age of 10, for example.
    1. Flooding
      
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      22 January 2022 16: 55
      
      I just do not understand your praise of the Anglo-Saxon judicial system.
      Or I misunderstood you.
      
      professor at the University of London Edward Jencks (1861-1939)
      famous figure in English law
      
      "A student of English jurisprudence will seldom find in the judgments which form the basis of the law made by the courts any principle expressed in clear and simple terms"
      
      “... When reading some of the old laws, one can hardly get rid of the impression that they are intended to mislead. Thus, judges have to rely on their own judgment about the general tasks of this law, based on its content as a whole and subordinating particular statements to general tasks.
      1. Galleon
        
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        22 January 2022 17: 03
        
        Quote: Flood
        I just don't understand
        
        You always don't understand something. You just read the comments and look for someone to grapple with. Unclear comment - go. Write where it should be, what I praise there will be taken on a pencil, remembered for the time being. You are in the wrong tone and in the wrong manner to explain the "incomprehensible" to you. I "praise" ... Do you understand what three words I wanted to say?
        They say that a smart person learns from the mistakes of others. But the smart one learns not only from mistakes, but also from the victories and achievements of others. Peter the Great, for example, did this: he took the best from the best and instilled in his homeland. He even, for example, took Dutch shipbuilding as a basis, and not English, because he studied shipbuilding in these two leading countries and came to the conclusion that the Dutch build better. We still have Dutch ship terms. Also, "a bastard agent of influence," he praised.
        
        Flooding
        
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        22 January 2022 17: 10
        
        Quote: Galleon
        You always don't understand something
        
        I do not envy those who always understand everything
        usually these people do not shine with intelligence
        Quote: Galleon
        You just read the comments and look for someone to grapple with.
        
        I sincerely believe that this is one of the common options for conducting a discussion - to join it in case of disagreement with any of the comments
        Quote: Galleon
        Unclear comment - go
        
        a new word on the Military Review - a platform intended for discussion
        I do not promise that I will take your rule into service
        
        the question immediately arises: why do you pay so much attention to me with your principle "do not agree, pass by"
        Or do you intend this recipe exclusively for others?
        
        all the best
  2. Zoldat_A
    
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    22 January 2022 17: 53
    
    Quote: Flood
    And on the island itself, these rights did not save, for example, peasants from fencing.
    
    Ivan IV "Terrible" crushed (horror!) as many as 4 (four thousand) "oppositionists". At the time of that very "fencing" Henry VIII, who is considered the first "sower of the shoots of capitalism" in Britain, easily hanged about 000 only on charges of vagrancy. Those same, "fenced", driven from their land. Apart from his struggle to maintain power and other pranks. And nothing, "it's different."
    
    Rights are rights, but some are always more right than others.
    And not a single "just" Anglo-Saxon judicial system, ancient as mammoth excrement, with its "rule of law" will prove the opposite to me.
    1. Flooding
      
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      22 January 2022 18: 08
      
      Quote: Zoldat_A
      During the time of that very "fencing" Henry VIII, who is considered the first "sower of the shoots of capitalism" in Britain, easily hanged about 70 only on charges of vagrancy.
      
      A vivid illustration of the principle of the supremacy of English law.
      1. Zoldat_A
        
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        22 January 2022 23: 12
        
        Quote: Flood
        A vivid illustration of the principle of the supremacy of English law.
        
        Over other laws? This refers to the laws of other states. Yes, they do, in their own country. If we talk about "fencing", then the one who had the right to expel a peasant from his land, making him a vagabond - he also had the right to hang that peasant for vagrancy.
        
        Flooding
        
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        22 January 2022 23: 23
        
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        Over other laws? This refers to the laws of other states. Yes, they do, in their own country.
        
        the supremacy of English law over English conscience, English morality and English justice.
        
        Zoldat_A
        
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        22 January 2022 23: 27
        
        Quote: Flood
        the supremacy of English law over English conscience, English morality and English justice.
        
        This is yes.
2. your1970
  
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  22 January 2022 19: 55
  
  Quote: Galleon
  For them, it is quite obvious that until a person is found guilty in a court of law, he is not limited in his rights.
  
  So that's great for you, right???
  None of the oligarchs and their relatives, neither Gorbachev nor Yeltsin, have ever been convicted by a court...
  Therefore, no one can say and write that some robbed and destroyed the country, others destroyed the USSR ...
  A very convenient position, especially for EBN - the dead are not judged ...
  you to us IT offer????!!!!!!!!!!
  1. Galleon
    
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    23 January 2022 12: 42
    
    Quote: your1970
    Therefore, no one can say and write that some robbed and destroyed the country, others destroyed the USSR ...
    A very convenient position, especially for EBN - the dead are not judged ...
    Are you suggesting this to us?
    
    Are you proposing to condemn the dead? he is neither hot nor cold from this - he already had a different trial, which with an eternal sentence.
    In your remark, you confuse the court as a legal concept and act, on the one hand, and the condemnation of public opinion, the "judgment of history", on the other hand. And YES - that's exactly what I'm suggesting. Until you are convicted, you have equal rights with others.
    There are too few acquittals in our courts. Too many innocent people are judged.
    You are talking about those who plundered and destroyed the country. Do you personally know any of them? I am familiar with such a character: he traveled through central Russia, through Russian regions, and ruined collective farms, quickly making money on this and dumping. Such a khanurik with a scoundrel, he himself told about his adventures. Do you think justice will ever get to him? No. And he will get to the chairman of the collective farm, whom this bastard swindled. His signatures are worth it, he is a responsible person. So on whom will your anger fall for the collapse of the country: on the chairman-fool, or on the cunning swindler-cannibal? And what, your anger will be fair in its one-sidedness at the fool?
    Do you want to decide fate with a wave of checkers? Do you really want?
    1. your1970
      
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      23 January 2022 20: 46
      
      Quote: Galleon
      There are too few acquittals in our courts. Too many innocent people are judged.
      
      V. Zasulich, who committed the murder with a bunch of witnesses, purposefully bought a gun, had the intent to kill and pleaded guilty - which in the Russian Empire was quite enough for hard labor - was acquitted by the jury.
      Do you like this option better?
      And there are few acquittals precisely because the investigation itself buries cases with a weak evidence base - they are being bullied for cancellations ...
      1. Galleon
        
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        23 January 2022 20: 59
        
        Don't overdo it. The practice of trial by jury has been reduced as much as possible in our country. Why do you take as an example the orgy that was going on in the courts in the last quarter of the 19th century? Nothing else to cover? Plevako and Koni performed as artists precisely before the jury, who acted on emotions. In vain do you wish others what you would like to avoid yourself.
        
        your1970
        
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        23 January 2022 22: 12
        
        Quote: Galleon
        Do not distort
        
        Can you now find a person who has not read or heard anything about the crime (one of the main conditions)?
        Will you be able to find those who want to - who will not be expected at work for a month or two, but simply fired?
        Can you find in cities up to 100 people who are not afraid to go against the opinion of society?
        People who will go against the bandits, not having protection in the future (unlike the police and judges)?
        Are you personally ready to go to the jury?
        
        Z.Y.
        In 2016, there was a scandal in the USA - 2 judges gave the maximum up to life (well, the truth is mostly blacks - then it was still possible ) for bribes from the owner of a local prison. They took from 1,5 to 5 dollars per head. - he received money from the budget for the head of a convict and a prisoner. He increased his food supply, so to speak ...
        Something like this....
        
        Galleon
        
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        24 January 2022 09: 38
        
        Quote: your1970
        Are you personally ready to go to the jury?
        
        You are right - at one time I refused such an offer. Then I was the foreman of the installers, and if I had gone on jury duty at the Moscow City Court, my installers would not have earned anything. They could not read the drawings, they did not deal with the adjustment of equipment. I thought about it and wrote back.
        Quote: your1970
        Can you now find a person who has not read or heard anything about the crime (one of the main conditions)?
        
        I don't have a TV and I don't hear much about crime. And then, to believe the box is the last thing. You ask questions that I can only answer for myself.
        Quote: your1970
        Will you be able to find those who want to - who will not be expected at work for a month or two, but simply fired?
        
        However, the law specifically protects juries. And the salary at work remains. I don't think there are many particularly greyhound employers willing to deal directly with the court.
        Quote: your1970
        There was a scandal in the USA in 2016
        
        Well, they do business in everything, in particular in private prisons. The owner of the prison lobbied the court. Why is it possible to lobby only elected representatives - senators and congressmen? In the United States, in some places, a remnant of Protestant morality is preserved, let's see what a completely atheistic China will start to give out if the authorities relax there.
        
        your1970
        
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        24 January 2022 14: 54
        
        Quote: Galleon
        . I don't think there are many particularly greyhound employers willing to deal directly with the court.
        
        There are already.
        Quote: Galleon
        I don't have a TV and I don't hear much about crime. And then, to believe the box is the last thing.
        
        You take the swing of a big city - I'm medium and small.
        Where the population knows both the victim and the perpetrator personally ....
        Quote: Galleon
        There are too few acquittals in our courts. Too many innocent people are judged.
        
        And what about this in my district center of 32?? If no one wants a jury??
        
        Galleon
        
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        24 January 2022 16: 29
        
        Living without a jury. Ordinary court: judge, prosecutor, lawyer. Both in the 19th century and in the 1990s, the institution of the jury played the role of some kind of resistance to the judicial machine. No jury, no resistance.
        
        your1970
        
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        24 January 2022 17: 21
        
        Quote: Galleon
        Living without a jury.
        
        Get hurt....
        At first, you pathetically spoke about the meager amount of judicial cancellation - and then you told how you yourself fled and gave advice to live in an ordinary court ...
        Quote: Galleon
        The practice of trial by jury has been reduced as much as possible in our country.
        That's why it won't grow...
        
        Dead end....
        
        Galleon
        
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        25 January 2022 14: 41
        
        Quote: your1970
        Get hurt....
        
        Shut up at last!
        I gave you the obvious answer to YOUR situation - it's YOU that no one wants to go to the jury. Well, live your usual district court.
        I no longer speak for the whole country and for the whole society. If you felt in my words advice for yourself - in vain. If you think it's a flight that I didn't abdicate responsibility for the crew's earnings, that's up to you, think whatever you want. I couldn't leave the people who depended on me.
        
        your1970
        
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        25 January 2022 17: 09
        
        Quote: Galleon
        I have long been I do not speak for the whole country and for all societiesо
        
        Yes? But it seemed to me that for the whole country
        Quote: Galleon
        There are too few acquittals in our courts. Too many innocent people are judged.
        
        - - you mean for some specific district court have spoken???
        
        In quiet, law-abiding Scandinavia, Breivik filed for parole. Apparently it will come out ...
        There is a good court...
3. abrakadabre
  
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  24 January 2022 12: 47
  
  And the Anglo-Saxons have almost 1000 years (the Magna Carta - 1215) the principle of the rule of law. For them, it is quite obvious that until a person is found guilty in a court of law, he is not limited in his rights.
  Yeah. Especially during the time of Henry the Eighth in relation to vagabonds. There, the rule of law and the presumption of innocence directly gushed forth.
4. den3080
  
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  24 January 2022 15: 33
  
  Quote: Galleon
  It’s just wild for us to laugh - it’s just wild for us, from time immemorial, everything has been decided by royal mercy. Or no mercy. And the Anglo-Saxons have almost 1000 years (the Magna Carta - 1215) the principle of the rule of law. For them, it is quite obvious that until a person is found guilty in a court of law, he is not limited in his rights. It will be necessary - the judge will cancel the promotion or even deprive this title. Paid money - will make return. In the meantime, this sailor, like all the other sailors. Guys, it's not just that this nation has been putting everyone with cancer for 400 years - from somewhere they take the strength for this. Maybe from such an attitude too?
  
  Respected
  "Wild" is when the referee can do anything in essence.
  The secret here is in the legal systems.
  
  The Anglo-Saxon legal system is based on precedents, somewhere, somewhere, something like this has already happened and was decided like this. And if it wasn’t, then right now we’ll decide here.
  
  The Romano-Germanic legal system - on legal acts, that is, on laws. Today it is established so - it means it is not subject to or is subject to condemnation / trial. And all the same, that under Tsar Peas it was decided quite differently.
  
  Feel the difference, as they say.
Plumbum77

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22 January 2022 14: 43

It's strange how long they've been dealing with him. It is obvious that Bashirov and Petrov got to the ship, and the sailor tried to stop them. Or until the Czechs say this, the Americans will not guess?
Free wind

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22 January 2022 14: 49

Stirlitz miraculously avoided failure.
HAM

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22 January 2022 14: 56

While they are "figuring it out", he will at least rise to the rank of commander, and if he says that Trump ordered him, then you can "reach the rank" of the admiral ..
Andrea

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22 January 2022 15: 02

The logic is iron, with a recruit what is the demand?
But for now, the fuss will become an admiral ... then it will be possible to either demote or award posthumously.
Dkuznecov

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22 January 2022 21: 30

The soldier is sleeping - the service is on.