Modernization of T-72 tanks continues in Poland

Although Warsaw is waiting for the receipt tanks M1A2 SEP v3 Abrams from the USA, in Poland the modernization of T-72M / M1 tanks to the level of T-72M1R continues. In 2022, the army of this country will receive 15 units of armored vehicles, which were going to be transferred in 2021, as well as another 35 units scheduled for delivery this year.

This information was reported by the Polish portal Defense 24.

The total number of modified tanks will reach 125 vehicles by the end of the year. According to official information, a total overhaul and modernization of 230 T-72 tanks is planned, and then, presumably, another 88 units of equipment will be modernized. More than PLN 1,7 billion (about 32,7 billion rubles) will be spent on these works.

This armored vehicle was produced in Poland under a license from the USSR back in the days when the country was a member of the Warsaw Pact. Its modernization to the level of T-72M1R provides for equipping with new surveillance systems (including a gunner's thermal imaging sight), installing new communications, fire control and an electronic engine start system, whose power is 780 horsepower. It also provides for the integration of satellite navigation systems and a number of other innovations.

Last year, an upgraded version of the T-72 was presented at the international arms exhibition MSPO-2021, which was held in Poland.

In the meantime, Polish military experts are discussing the situation with the fact that the American Abrams may ultimately be unsuitable for full-fledged operation in Poland. They are going to be placed on specific bases without the possibility of prompt transfer from one part of the country to another. This is due to the lack of suitable transport infrastructure for such heavy combat vehicles. First of all, we are talking about bridges.

Comments

[svp67]

in Poland, the modernization of T-72M / M1 tanks to the level of T-72M1R continues.

145 tanks, this is still a lot, even already so outdated ... and strangely modernized. Why didn't they put a DZ from their "Tverda"? Or do they think that those called up for mobilization, namely for them they are preparing, do not deserve this?

[Uncle lee]

Modernization of T-72 tanks continues in Poland

Abrams may end up being unusable

This is the alignment ... So the T-34-85 will reach modernization

[Barberry25]

well, this tank is not for mobilization, but just for combat units

[svp67]

Quote: Barberry25

well, this tank is not for mobilization, but just for combat units

No, this is just for the mobilized. They are in the photo above. A distinctive feature from the "non-modernized" ones, the absence of the L-4 "Luna" illuminator on the tower ... Such tanks will not last long at the forefront, they can be destroyed from the "Fly"

[Barberry25]

past the cash register, because in March of last year it was announced right there on the topvarchik

The Polish military is mastering new equipment, which is in service with the newly formed tank battalion of the 19th mechanized brigade, which is located in Lublin. The footage shows T-72M1R vehicles.

[svp67]

Quote: Barberry25

past the cash register, because in March of last year it was announced right there on the topvarchik

No, not past ... Yes, now they have gone to the newly formed units, but as soon as the issue of buying new MBTs is resolved, and this is either Abrams or Leo-2PZ, they will be immediately replaced.

[Barberry25]

as soon as, right away, then we’ll talk, but for now they’ve been going to the units for a whole year

[Constanty]

Both here and here.

Deliveries of the "modernized" T-72M1R began in 2019 and went, among other things, to the combatants of the 20th mechanized brigade, but in the same way the modernized vehicles were sent to the 19th Lublin mechanized brigade.

Some will go to mobilization stocks.

All this is a terrible waste of money and creates a false impression of one's own strength.

The changes did not affect the weapon systems, protection or armor of the vehicle, which keeps its usefulness on the modern battlefield at a controversial level, to say the least.

[75 Sergey]

Who now suits tank rams without cover, reconnaissance and training?
This is now a mobile firing point, acting a little behind.

[Romario_Argo]

you can destroy them from the "Fly"

of course, since in Poland there are neither research institutes nor production of ceramics such as boron carbide
the side of the hull of our T-72B3M has a thickness of 80 mm
+ 110mm boron carbide inner insert equivalent to 880mm steel
+ DZ equivalent 400 mm
resistance to the side of the T-72B3M hull at right angles = 1360 mm
on the T-72B3 there is still silicon carbide 110 mm equivalent to 440 mm
I generally keep quiet about the tower. new materials are outrageous
photo below, this is an old T-72B

[Wildcat]

IMHO, they did something that does not require much work. "In the mind" and protection must be added, and the engine should be changed to a more powerful one, at least.

[Flooding]

Last year, an upgraded version of the T-72 was presented at the international arms exhibition MSPO-2021, which was held in Poland.

March 6, 2021 in article
"Modernization with "bare" armor: the Polish military master the T-72M1R tanks"

The T-72M1R tank was presented at the international exhibition MSPO, held in September 2020.

the tank was indeed exhibited at both exhibitions.
but it is more correct to refer to the year when the technique is presented for the first time.

[impostor]

But what about the PL-O1 Concept?!!!

[NDR-791]

What a cool ashtray!!!

[mister-red]

But what about the PL-O1 Concept?!!!

Budgeted for 2123

[Basarev]

American Abrams may ultimately be unsuitable for full-fledged operation in Poland. They are going to be placed on specific bases without the possibility of prompt transfer from one part of the country to another. This is due to the lack of suitable transport infrastructure for such heavy combat vehicles. First of all, we are talking about bridges.

So, it is necessary not to modernize this Soviet rubbish, but to build bridges. I always thought: the huge mass of the tank is not a tank problem, it is an infrastructure problem. Meanwhile, the whole evolution of MBT suggests: the mass will only grow, I would not be surprised if one day it exceeds a hundred. Because the most reliable defense against all threats on the battlefield is precisely the strongest possible armor, which is also heavy. One day, its equivalent thickness will exceed all the capabilities of hand-held anti-tank weapons, which are already close to the limit. True, at the cost of increasing mass. The dreadnought effect will be repeated - all hand-held anti-tank systems and RPGs will instantly become obsolete and immediately disappear from the battlefield. And with heavy, stationary or transportable ones - like Hermes - it is much easier to deal with, because they are not so easy to hide and, in the event of a nix, quickly unscrew ... And their shots will not always pierce such powerful armor. In general, in terms of tanks, the best thing that can be done is right now to start building infrastructure that can easily withstand tanks over a hundred tons. Just by the time they appear, we'll manage.

[Andrey Moskvin]

How much will an impenetrable roof weigh?

[Basarev]

That's all the salt. That is why the tanks will become so heavy in order to provide the entire upper projection with protection at the frontal level. And then you have to build up the sides. This is what the new main tank will differ in - a departure from differentiated armor. Wherever you poke - everywhere there will be exactly the same impenetrable armor.

[Andrey Moskvin]

And it's not a dead end? There will be tanks to destroy something like Iskander. And how many such tanks can there be ...

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Andrey Moskvin

And it's not a dead end?

he is and in this dead end already trampled. Do you remember the Mouse tank and its heroic battle path that never took place due to the fact that you could not get to the front?

[Basarev]

No, it's not a dead end. There are few Iskanders, and the exchange may turn out to be unequal: Iskander missiles are expensive, and the armored hull of the tank is the cheapest of all. Well, the example of Mouse is untenable: the war has changed, now they are fighting in cities, just among the infrastructure. Field battles have disappeared forever, just like the death of an airplane - and will not return. So destined to be.

[Barberry25]

well, then such a tank will weigh at least 75-80 tons, and rapid-firing artillery will be enough to disable it

[Normann]

And drown in the nearest soft soil.

[Basarev]

This is more a problem not of mass directly, but of specific pressure on the ground. That is, the problem is solvable, not fatal.

[NDR-791]

Quote: Basarev

This is more a problem not of mass directly, but of specific pressure on the ground.

Not on the ground, but on the surface. On the same bridge, for example. Either every village bridge will support the mass of your monster, or such a monster will simply not appear. That's the whole dilemma. By the way, you yourself started with the infrastructure.

[Basarev]

That is exactly what was meant, just one inevitably pulls the other. There will be good roads - there will be tanks of proportion to them. And even if such tanks do not appear, the roads will remain, they are valuable in themselves. This is especially true in Russia.

[NDR-791]

Quote: Basarev

roads will remain, they are valuable in and of themselves. This is especially true in Russia.

To do this, we need to get rid of the first part of the problem (censorship )

[zadorin1974]

Good Arseny. Armor and large caliber is the same dead end. Battleships are outdated after the advent of aircraft carriers. Now AUG, with the advent of hypersound, is losing relevance. Tanks are also likely to soon receive force protective fields and composite screens (it is clear that not tomorrow and the day after tomorrow ).Your theory in increasing armor has a drawback in size. Large mass and size lose stealth and mobility, plus cost.

[Normann]

And the mass of the tank is a problem of the theater of operations))

[alexey sidykin]

Quote: Basarev

American Abrams may ultimately be unsuitable for full-fledged operation in Poland. They are going to be placed on specific bases without the possibility of prompt transfer from one part of the country to another. This is due to the lack of suitable transport infrastructure for such heavy combat vehicles. First of all, we are talking about bridges.

So, it is necessary not to modernize this Soviet rubbish, but to build bridges. I always thought: the huge mass of the tank is not a tank problem, it is an infrastructure problem. Meanwhile, the whole evolution of MBT suggests: the mass will only grow, I would not be surprised if one day it exceeds a hundred. Because the most reliable defense against all threats on the battlefield is precisely the strongest possible armor, which is also heavy. One day, its equivalent thickness will exceed all the capabilities of hand-held anti-tank weapons, which are already close to the limit. True, at the cost of increasing mass. The dreadnought effect will be repeated - all hand-held anti-tank systems and RPGs will instantly become obsolete and immediately disappear from the battlefield. And with heavy, stationary or transportable ones - like Hermes - it is much easier to deal with, because they are not so easy to hide and, in the event of a nix, quickly unscrew ... And their shots will not always pierce such powerful armor. In general, in terms of tanks, the best thing that can be done is right now to start building infrastructure that can easily withstand tanks over a hundred tons. Just by the time they appear, we'll manage.

I remember the Germans in WWII already did this ...

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Basarev

Because the most reliable defense against all threats on the battlefield is precisely the strongest possible armor, which is also heavy.

Not at all a fact.
Protection develops not only in the direction of strengthening the properties of armor, but in the direction of reducing (or even removing) the impact of enemy ammunition on this very armor. For example, the same dynamic protection (DZ), which previously counteracted mainly from cumulative projectiles, the modern one also works against kinetic projectiles. A more advanced defense is KAZ, it can generally prevent an enemy ammunition from colliding with an armored vehicle. And the development of tank protection, most likely, will go in this direction, and not in the direction of building up armor.

[NOMADE]

It was sarcasm??

[Egoza]

Quote: svp67

Why didn't they put a DZ from their "Tverda"?

And no matter how they spin, Soviet tanks are more reliable! )))

[Byurer]

But is the specific pressure on the ground of the Abrams much greater than that of other tanks?

[alexey sidykin]

The specific ground may not be more, but the bridge is not the ground; it is a completely different alignment. And the dimensions of the tank are also a big hindrance, they don’t fit everywhere.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Burer

But is the specific pressure on the ground of the Abrams much greater than that of other tanks?

Ground pressure:
Tank "Abrams":
M1 --------------- 0,96 kg/cm²
M1A1 ----------- 1,01 kg/cm²
M1A2 ----------- 1,07 kg/cm²
Tank T-72:
-------------- 0,83–0,87 kg/cm²
T-90 Tank
T-90(C) --------- 0,938 kg/cm²
T-90A(CA) ----- 0,97 kg/cm²

[Borisych]

Abrahi will be in the role of Mouse. Don't go here and there. I saw these abrams, even whole ones. This can be placed near the Reich Chancellery. Or somewhere in the desert. In our places, it is harmful to the crew. Shit, if the topic.

[Wildcat]

Hussein and Milosevic fully agree with you.
And by the way, perhaps their lubricant will freeze in winter, and without Coca-Cola they do not howl.

[Free wind]

During the war, the Germans also moved on the Royal Tigers, and they are not at all light, so they can handle it.

[NOMADE]

Mostly they moved on other tanks, because they did very little royal tigers)))