Spanish ships join NATO forces in the Black Sea

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As a sign of support for Ukraine, Spanish ships will join NATO forces in the Mediterranean and Black Sea. The reason for these actions of Madrid was the increase in the number of Russian troops on the Ukrainian border.

This statement was made by the Minister of Defense of Spain, Margarita Roblis.



She believes that the movement of the Russian Armed Forces across the territory of their country increases tension on the European continent.

Russia cannot tell any country what to do

- said the Spanish official, implying Kiev's desire to join NATO.

However, she added that Madrid will fight for the sovereignty of any country that wants to join the North Atlantic Alliance.

The Minister said that one of the minesweepers of the Spanish Navy has already set off, and the frigate Blas de Lezo will do so in three to four days. In addition, several Spanish fighters will be transferred to Bulgaria.

At the same time, Ms. Robblis noted that Madrid prefers diplomatic methods of conflict resolution.

Last autumn, the Western press reported on the accumulation of a large group of Russian troops near the borders of Ukraine. From this, it was concluded that Moscow was preparing a military invasion of a neighboring country.

If Madrid will fight for the sovereignty of Ukraine, then why, then, does it deny the right to fight for the sovereignty of, for example, Catalonia? After all, the inhabitants of Catalonia are in favor of independence from Spain and simultaneous membership in the EU and NATO.
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  1. ser-pov Rank
    ser-pov
    +12
    21 January 2022 12: 48
    Russia cannot tell any country what to do

    Well, the conquistadors began to sing along ..
    1. Orange bigg Rank
      Orange bigg
      +12
      21 January 2022 12: 59
      Russia cannot tell any country what to do

      - said the Spanish official, implying Kiev's desire to join NATO.

      Just like Spain or any other country cannot tell Russia what to do and how to dispose of its army on its territory.

      The Minister said that one of the minesweepers of the Spanish Navy has already set off, and the frigate Blas de Lezo will do so in three to four days. In addition, several Spanish fighters will be transferred to Bulgaria.

      Take care of your meager military resources, otherwise you won’t have these boats soon.
      1. alex neym_2 Rank
        alex neym_2
        +6
        21 January 2022 13: 35
        But what is most interesting, the information about the accumulation of Russian troops by Ms. Robblis is taken from "Western press reports"! Any questions?
    2. Real Pilot Rank
      Real Pilot
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      21 January 2022 18: 40
      At the same time, she added that Madrid will fight for the sovereignty of any country that wants to join the North Atlantic Alliance.
      They said those who themselves do not have sovereignty. Where is Spain on the political map, what is its influence? And what does sovereignty have to do with it if Madrid is trying to decide for Kiev?

      Alas! Sovereignty lies precisely in being independent and neutral, strong and independent. Russia has done too much for the sovereignty of Ukraine, more than anyone else... Ukraine did not succeed in becoming a real state, what to do with it - you will have to change your approach.

      And if sovereignty is perceived as the right to go into slavery, then such sovereignty is worth a penny!
  2. Mountain shooter Rank
    Mountain shooter
    +14
    21 January 2022 12: 53
    Spanish fleet? Well, let them practice a little. They were very brave in their time. Immediately after the conquest, they had such a "fuse" that they already captured the neighboring continent. Yes, but it ended three centuries ago. And now a "out of the box" country, even Gibraltar cannot be returned ... And there too. Together we poison the beast! The lapdog said to the wolfhound... wassat
    1. Volkov Rank
      Volkov
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      21 January 2022 13: 28
      Let them train in the Black Sea. And let the bastion operators also train)
  3. prior Rank
    prior
    +1
    21 January 2022 12: 53
    Another one with a shortened memory came.
    They forgot who helped them in the war with Franco.
    Really Ukrainians?!
    Such Europeans do not feel sorry for the nuclear bombardment to remind who is the real boss in Europe.
    Is it not enough for you in the world of the seas that you are stuck in Black?!
    1. sustav75
      sustav75
      -10
      21 January 2022 13: 13
      They allow them, so they stick where they want and who wants to! Everyone has long begun to sneeze at Putin's concerns ...
    2. sniperino Rank
      sniperino
      -1
      21 January 2022 13: 32
      Quote: prior
      They forgot who helped them in the war with Franco. Really Ukrainians?!
      And then who?!
      Answer, Aleksandrovsk,
      And, Kharkov, answer:
      Long time in spanish
      Did you start singing
      ***
      Tell me, Ukraine
      Isn't this rye
      Taras Shevchenko
      Is the daddy lying?
      laughing
  4. Alexander 3 Rank
    Alexander 3
    +4
    21 January 2022 12: 54
    We are also worried about Catalonia. After all, we do not send our special forces to help them.
  5. carpenter Rank
    carpenter
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    21 January 2022 12: 56
    Russia cannot tell any country what to do
    Wow, the Blue Division is resurgent. And how are things with Catalonia, Spain, too, should not tell her "what to do."
    It is better to tie a mouth with strings, and not open it to Russia.
  6. Lontus Rank
    Lontus
    +8
    21 January 2022 12: 56
    It is amazing that those countries that participated in the invasion of Russia along with Hitler during WW2 and are involved in the crimes of that period have the audacity to yelp.
    1. Aerodrome Rank
      Aerodrome
      +2
      21 January 2022 13: 05
      "anaconda loop" starts to move?
      1. Lontus Rank
        Lontus
        +3
        21 January 2022 13: 32
        Quote: Aerodrome
        "anaconda loop" starts to move?

        HPP total.
        although that may have been the intent.
  7. K-50 Rank
    K-50
    +4
    21 January 2022 12: 56
    As a sign of support for Ukraine, Spanish ships will join NATO forces in the Mediterranean and Black Sea.

    The descendants of the Great Armada decided that they are also great? lol
    1. sniperino Rank
      sniperino
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      21 January 2022 13: 42
      Quote: K-50
      The descendants of the Great Armada decided that they are also great?
      Grand Dons.
  8. neurostimulator
    neurostimulator
    -1
    21 January 2022 12: 57
    At the end of the article, a very correct remark was made, I advise everyone to re-read it, so as not to be further mistaken in assessing the actions of a country like Spain in this case.
  9. keeper03 Rank
    keeper03
    +2
    21 January 2022 12: 58
    And NATO members can then be told what to do to Russia?!! belay negative angry
  10. Mavrikiy Rank
    Mavrikiy
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    21 January 2022 12: 58
    Russia cannot tell any country what to do
    - stated Spanish official, implying Kiev's aspirations for NATO.
    That's right, they themselves entered into shit, you need to help others. request Like noble donsrequest, but it turned out to be a market woman. fool
  11. iouris Rank
    iouris
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    21 January 2022 12: 59
    These are internationalist warriors. Where does the guy get the Black Sea sadness? And sho would give the Ukrainian land to the peasants of Granada.
    1. Mavrikiy Rank
      Mavrikiy
      +1
      21 January 2022 13: 02
      Quote: iouris
      These are internationalist warriors. Where does the guy get the Black Sea sadness? And sho would give the Ukrainian land to the peasants of Granada.

      Yes, they have been here ... "the ashes of the blue division are knocking at their hearts."
  12. SKVichyakow Rank
    SKVichyakow
    +3
    21 January 2022 13: 01
    It would be better if Spain responded to the United States in this way, and did not do it under the visor, stretching out in front of them.
  13. DymOk_v_dYmke Rank
    DymOk_v_dYmke
    +1
    21 January 2022 13: 03
    As a sign of support for Ukraine, Spanish ships will join NATO forces in the Mediterranean and Black Sea. The reason for these actions of Madrid was the increase in the number of Russian troops on the Ukrainian border.

    They would not have to send minesweepers, but wheeled steamers that could crawl overland along the Ukrainian border. good
  14. Gunner Rank
    Gunner
    0
    21 January 2022 13: 08
    Russia has the power and the right to explain to the bullfighters about his right, and indeed his worldview in general.
    1. ak1978
      ak1978
      0
      22 January 2022 09: 23
      Yeah. Already showed strength, right and worldview in Ceuta on August 18, 2021.
  15. Kaufman Rank
    Kaufman
    -5
    21 January 2022 13: 11
    we succeeded, for the first time in History, to unite the whole World against ourselves. Unique situation.
    Nobody supports us and there are no allies.
    1. ak1978
      ak1978
      -2
      22 January 2022 09: 27
      There is such a thing as credit history. If you behave like a gopnik from the gateway for a long time, poking into the pockets of neighbors, pointing out how to live strangers and threatening passers-by, then sooner or later the sheriff arrives with assistants. Moreover, in public the gopnik is bold, and at night he ingratiatingly drags the stolen ... to the sheriff's house.
  16. pytar Rank
    pytar
    -12
    21 January 2022 13: 12
    However, she added that Madrid will fight for the sovereignty of any country that wants to join the North Atlantic Alliance.

    Madrit maintains the territorial integrity of Ukraine along its internationally recognized borders. It is also her sovereign right to decide whether or not to join NATO and the EU.
    If Madrid will fight for the sovereignty of Ukraine, then why, then, does it deny the right to fight for the sovereignty of, for example, Catalonia? After all, the inhabitants of Catalonia are in favor of independence from Spain and simultaneous membership in the EU and NATO.

    The author is disingenuous, no more than 10% of the inhabitants of this region spoke out for the "independence" of Catalunya. The referendum was held in gross violation of the laws of Spain. In fact, we are talking about serapratists in the minority. From the point of view of Ukraine, the situation in Donbas and Crimea is similar. Therefore, country wallpapers have matching views. The position of the Russian Federation when it comes to its territory is similar and it fought against the Chechen separatists.
    1. Andrey Grad Rank
      Andrey Grad
      +1
      21 January 2022 13: 34
      The situation is similar, only in the context of the formation and separation of the Outskirts itself, typical separatism, the separation of the original Russian lands.
      1. pytar Rank
        pytar
        -4
        21 January 2022 13: 45
        The situation is similar, only in the context of the formation and separation of the Outskirts itself, typical separatism, the separation of the original Russian lands.

        I would agree with you if there weren't thousands of international treaties, documents, agreements signed, including by the Russian Federation, recognizing Ukraine as a state and guaranteeing the inviolability of its borders and sovereignty. hi
        1. Andrey Grad Rank
          Andrey Grad
          +1
          21 January 2022 14: 02
          How many times in the history of the West have agreements been ignored and torn apart for any reason. They gave a guarantee while they performed it profitably, but no, they forget it at the moment.
          We are also changing, we are no longer as principled as before :))
          1. pytar Rank
            pytar
            -2
            21 January 2022 14: 35
            How many times in the history of the West have agreements been ignored and torn apart for any reason. They gave a guarantee while they performed it profitably, but no, they forget it at the moment.

            Andrei, we, as adults, understand that politics is a dirty business ...
            We are also changing, we are no longer as principled as before :))

            Principle / albeit very conditional / was the main advantage of Russia! Not in the economy, not in the efficiency of management, not in the success of the social structure, the legal system, and so on, Russia was strong!
            Russia acquired territories, but at the same time, most of its land was undeveloped! On the other hand, they have lost their main moral and psychological advantage, and this is your big mistake. I do not deny the fundamental right of Russia to protect Russians abroad, but how they did it in Ukraine raises a lot of questions!
            According to me, in the next decades the world will enter a new fuzz of its development, where it is the factor of morality, the rule of law, justice that will gain weight!
            And then Russia enters in not the best shape, its starting position is shaky ... no one believes you, you have been compromised for a long time ... No.
            1. Andrey Grad Rank
              Andrey Grad
              +3
              21 January 2022 17: 34
              For adherence to principles, Russia has been hung on a hook over the past century, manipulated by the fear of losing face, brought to an inferiority complex.
              Only now the Russians are no longer the same, they don’t care what anyone thinks and says about them, and even more so believes or does not believe.
              Modern PR technologies used by the West can both create and destroy an image, facts, and even more so a belief.
              There is no point in taking care of something that no longer has any value.
            2. AML Rank
              AML
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              21 January 2022 17: 34
              Before you give advice to someone, you should understand yourself there. Even Ukraine is not in such a deplorable state. And if you are not aware, then the places of compact residence of Bulgarians and Romanians in Europe are considered unfavorable. You even lay a bolt on top of each other. Otherwise, I cannot understand how it is possible to drive on a highway not equipped with reflectors with a high beam permanently on.
        2. Reserve buildbat Rank
          Reserve buildbat
          +1
          22 January 2022 19: 24
          Can you tell me where the borders of Ukraine are? Has anyone officially documented them somehow? Can I see the documentation? The so-called "Ukraine" is nothing more than a territory illegally cut off from Russia. However, the same can be said about almost all the "former republics of the USSR", since there were no such states before, and if they were, then with a territory many times smaller than now. They stole Russian lands and now they are still yapping at Russia, mongrels under the fence.
    2. Ashes of Claes Rank
      Ashes of Claes
      +1
      21 January 2022 13: 34
      Quote: pytar
      The author is disingenuous, for the "independence" of Catalunya

      the author distorts the meaning of his own writing. Some kind of cognitive dysfunction.
      Quote: pytar
      The position of the Russian Federation when it comes to its territory is similar and it fought against the Chechen separatists.

      That's it. Ichkeria even filed a lawsuit with the International Court in 2000, as is known, but achieved nothing, and Russia dealt with Chechen separatism. And now it refuses something similar to Ukraine, because #this is different.
      1. pytar Rank
        pytar
        -3
        21 January 2022 13: 48
        the author distorts the meaning of his own writing. Some kind of cognitive dysfunction.

        Moreover, his article is short! And the lines contradict each other! laughing
        That's it. Ichkeria even filed a lawsuit with the International Court in 2000, as is known, but achieved nothing, and Russia dealt with Chechen separatism. And now it refuses something similar to Ukraine, because #this is different.

        Really! You can’t argue with the facts, at least ... there are a lot of people here who will argue ... lol
        1. Ashes of Claes Rank
          Ashes of Claes
          0
          21 January 2022 14: 01
          Quote: pytar
          Moreover, his article is short!

          Well, size doesn't really matter. The main thing is the title.
    3. dimy44 Rank
      dimy44
      0
      21 January 2022 13: 53
      Quote: pytar
      and similar in the Crimea.
      If you do not know how it really happened, it is better to keep silent. There is no need to write here the point of view of your media, we already know it. And I live here, and I inform you that the day of the referendum was a holiday for the Crimeans. The turnout was crazy, it had never happened before, the whole family with children came to the polling stations (for fool - children did not vote)), all flags and tricolor flags. There were no armed people, about whom foreign media wrote, at the polling stations. Evpatoria, if anything. So don't...
      1. pytar Rank
        pytar
        0
        21 January 2022 14: 15
        If you do not know how it really happened, it is better to keep silent.

        Always glad to hear other opinions! Yes
        There is no need to write here the point of view of your media, we already know it.

        You don't know anything about our media. We have a huge variety of opinions! You might be surprised, but a significant part of them coincide with yours. laughing And here I express only my personal point of view, without claiming to be the "first instance".
        And I live here, and I inform you that the day of the referendum was a holiday for the Crimeans.

        I know, I have many friends from these regions. True, the situation in the Donbass in real life was different than in the Crimea, which has already begun to be recognized even in the Russian media.
        Ultimately, I want to clarify - from the point of view of the interests of each state, everyone who /legally or not/ tries to leave, are separatists and the state is fighting against them!
    4. Vladimir 290 Rank
      Vladimir 290
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      21 January 2022 14: 02
      Well, yes, you forgot to write about Crimea, how people voted for unification at gunpoint
  17. rocket757 Rank
    rocket757
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    21 January 2022 13: 15
    However, she added that Madrid will fight for the sovereignty of any country that wants to join the North Atlantic Alliance.
    Another wrestlers ... brain cuckooing is in full swing ....
  18. Ashes of Claes Rank
    Ashes of Claes
    +2
    21 January 2022 13: 25
    If Madrid will fight for the sovereignty of Ukraine, then why, then, does it deny the right to fight for the sovereignty of, for example, Catalonia?

    Well, the author has a real problem with the logic.
  19. venik Rank
    venik
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    21 January 2022 13: 26
    "....In support of Ukraine, Spanish ships will join NATO forces in the Mediterranean and Black Sea.... "
    ======
    "Where a horse with a hoof - there and a cancer with a claw" (Folk wisdom).
    "Armada Española" decided to "check in" in the Black Sea? Oh well! Have the proud hidalgos forgotten how the epic of the "Invincible Armada" (Armada Invencible) ended?
    Well, we can remind you ...... The English Channel, of course, is not the Bosphorus, and the Black Sea is not the North Sea, but the result may turn out to be worse .....
    1. Ashes of Claes Rank
      Ashes of Claes
      -1
      21 January 2022 13: 56
      Quote: venik
      Have the proud hidalgos forgotten how the epic of the "Invincible Armada" (Armada Invencible) ended?
      Well, let's just remember...

      Damn, analogy... laughing
      I'm embarrassed to ask - are you going to "remind" on behalf of England? What does Russia have to do with the battle in the English Channel?
      1. venik Rank
        venik
        0
        21 January 2022 14: 15
        Quote: Ashes of Klaas
        I'm embarrassed to ask - are you going to "remind" on behalf of England?

        =======
        Expected response!
        Here you really need to know that not only Her Majesty's fleet participated - there are also the Dutch with the Danes "put a pen" .... And "not weakly" ....
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        Quote: Ashes of Klaas
        What does Russia have to do with the battle in the English Channel?

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        Answer: None!
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        Quote: Ashes of Klaas
        Fuck, analogies... laughing

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        But the analogies - here are just the MOST DIRECT: At that time, the "invincible armada" crashed - because it stuck ("with its head") right into the "mousetrap"! And the Black Sea - although not the North - but exactly the same "mousetrap", where it is easier to enter than (if something happens) then EXIT from there !!!
        Here is such a "analogy" !!! hi
        1. Ashes of Claes Rank
          Ashes of Claes
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          21 January 2022 14: 32
          Quote: venik
          Here is such a "analogy" !!!

          And for this pathos with the Armada, which you are going to remind the Spaniards about, you were inspired by the news about the only box, based on the rotation, arriving at the World Cup? Kinda tight, don't you think?
          Quote: venik
          Here you really need to know that not only Her Majesty's fleet took part - the Dutch and Danes also "put a pen" there

          Well, on behalf of the entire collective farm or separately?
          Quote: venik
          Answer: None!

          Then your role as a reminder is incomprehensible.
          1. venik Rank
            venik
            -1
            21 January 2022 14: 45
            Quote: Ashes of Klaas
            And for this pathos with the Armada, which you are going to remind the Spaniards about, you were inspired by the news about the only box, based on the rotation, arriving at the World Cup? Kinda tight, don't you think?

            ====
            Imagine - I can't find it! If I was born in Spain, and I would be responsible for the Navy, I would think 10 times whether to send even ONE (1 !!!) "box" (and them in Armada Española - not so much) to the Black Sea "mousetrap", to please the "overseas masters" ....
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            Quote: Ashes of Klaas
            Then your role as a reminder is incomprehensible.

            =======
            Well if "ashes of Claas"will knock not only on your heart, but also on your head (more precisely, on your brain) - you might understand ..... request hi
            1. Ashes of Claes Rank
              Ashes of Claes
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              21 January 2022 15: 24
              Quote: venik
              Imagine - I can't find it!

              I already understood it, the question was rhetorical.
              Quote: venik
              If I had been born in Spain, and I would have been responsible for the Navy, I would have thought 10 times whether to send even ONE (1 !!!) "box" to the Black Sea "mousetrap", to please the "overseas masters" ....

              And why, exactly? First, there are obligations as a member of the bloc. Secondly, why immediately "mousetrap"? Even in the case of mixing, the straits remain with NATO.
              Quote: venik
              Well, if the "ashes of Klaas" will knock not only on your heart, but also on your head (more precisely, on your brain), then maybe you will understand ..

              Well, this passage is generally superfluous, dear.
              1. venik Rank
                venik
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                21 January 2022 23: 00
                Quote: Ashes of Klaas
                And why, exactly? First, there are obligations as a member of the bloc.

                =======
                What exactly and WHERE are such obligations (participation in patrols at various points of the World Ocean) prescribed? Could you tell?
                As far as I know, this is just a purely voluntary!
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                Quote: Ashes of Klaas
                Secondly, why immediately "mousetrap"? Even in the case of mixing, the straits remain with NATO.

                ========
                Yes, at least - for the Lord God, let them remain .... Just take the range of the DBK "Bastion" and "Ball" and draw a radius from the South-Western Crimea and Novorossiysk. Then take the combat radius of the Su-34 and Su-30 and do the same, with reference to the airfields in Belbek, Simferopol and Novorossiysk ..... I think after that WHY the Black Sea is sometimes called a "mousetrap" for NATO ships ... ... And also - the Bosphorus ... It is so narrow - only 700 m in the narrowest part ... Moreover, 2 bridges are thrown over it .... If suddenly at least one of them collapses .... Then neither To Black the sea, no one will be able to enter or exit it for a long time .... Yes
  20. Andrey Grad Rank
    Andrey Grad
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    21 January 2022 13: 37
    It looks like soon the Russian embezzlers will confiscate their Spanish real estate :))
    1. Vladimir 290 Rank
      Vladimir 290
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      21 January 2022 14: 03
      That would be good
    2. Ashes of Claes Rank
      Ashes of Claes
      +1
      21 January 2022 14: 12
      Quote: Andrew Grad
      It looks like soon the Russian embezzlers will confiscate their Spanish real estate :))

      Andrey, I would not be in a hurry to gloat. All this fat sv ... ("In Brazil, everyone swears like that!" (c)) will begin to compensate for the inevitable losses at the expense of the domestic market. Domino effect included. You don’t think that all of them will sharply reset to zero (not in the sense that the Kremlin Immortalis, but literally)?
  21. Citizen
    Citizen
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    21 January 2022 13: 52
    Quote: OrangeBigg
    Russia cannot tell any country what to do

    - said the Spanish official, implying Kiev's desire to join NATO.

    Just like Spain or any other country cannot tell Russia what to do and how to dispose of its army on its territory.

    The Minister said that one of the minesweepers of the Spanish Navy has already set off, and the frigate Blas de Lezo will do so in three to four days. In addition, several Spanish fighters will be transferred to Bulgaria.

    Take care of your meager military resources, otherwise you won’t have these boats soon.

    Boldly. Spain is a NATO member.
    The Russian Navy is not considered by the Americans as a service that deserves attention.
    Will be destroyed within 2 hours. For some reason they don't doubt it.
    1. Ashes of Claes Rank
      Ashes of Claes
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      21 January 2022 14: 06
      Quote from Citisen
      Will be destroyed within 2 hours.

      can you get acquainted with the American source of this forecast?
    2. Andrey Grad Rank
      Andrey Grad
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      21 January 2022 14: 28
      Spain is a member of NATO... so what?

      The main mistake of Russians when analyzing the situation with the West is to predict NATO steps based on their worldview, from their mentality, when helping their own is regarded as a sacred duty, despite the prospect of their own problems and even death.
      There, decisions are made pragmatically, based solely on their own benefit. If there is at least one in ten opportunities to take heavy damage, they will not risk even if one of the small countries of Nata burns out in a nuclear fire.
  22. Alexander X Rank
    Alexander X
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    21 January 2022 14: 06
    Well, they joined with their ships, so what? Are they preparing a massive strike against a country that has plenty of nuclear weapons? Want to start a nuclear war? And if they don’t want to, then why are all these gatherings of Nata ships in the Black Sea? Stupid window dressing ... IMHO ...
    1. Ashes of Claes Rank
      Ashes of Claes
      +3
      21 January 2022 14: 24
      Quote: Alexander X
      Well, they joined with their ships, so what? Stupid window dressing ... IMHO ...

      And nothing more, you are absolutely right. This is a demonstration of NATO corporate ethics that is happening everywhere. With the same success, they could bring the Barcelona school of flamenco or a team of bullfighters with banderillas to Kiev with pomp. The effect is the same overall.
      1. Citizen
        Citizen
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        21 January 2022 14: 35
        Yes of course. Window dressing with trembling knees.
        For each visit of a NATO ship causes panic hysteria in all offices and the media.
        For only one full salvo of Ticonderoga is capable of destroying the entire Black Sea Fleet and aviation in this region.
        Of course, this is a hypothetical situation, but it emphasizes the power of the American fleet.
        1. Ashes of Claes Rank
          Ashes of Claes
          +1
          21 January 2022 14: 51
          Quote from Citisen
          For only one full salvo of Ticonderoga is capable of destroying the entire Black Sea Fleet and aviation in this region.
          Of course, this is a hypothetical situation, but it emphasizes the power of the American fleet.

          don't wave the American flag so hard - it's drafty. I was talking about the Spanish minesweeper. I'm not sure that he is able to deprive the commander of the Black Sea Fleet of sleep and appetite.
          1. ak1978
            ak1978
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            22 January 2022 09: 45
            And if the minesweeper goes to Mariupol? ;)
            1. Kayala Rank
              Kayala
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              23 January 2022 12: 53
              And if he drowns on the way to Mariupol?
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                1. Kayala Rank
                  Kayala
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                  23 January 2022 19: 24
                  And now there are no sanctions?
                  And yet, yes, from hunger we will reach the last hedgehogs ... laughing
                  1. ak1978
                    ak1978
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                    23 January 2022 20: 10
                    No. Not now. Now Russian gas is allowed on the world market. We trade with ungodly NATO countries)))
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                1. Kayala Rank
                  Kayala
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                  23 January 2022 19: 26
                  Yeah, it will come, it will come, the main thing is that you continue to believe that the ceuropa is for you. He will come about in the same way as your pelvis "reached", to arrest, this is at best, and at worst they will drown.
                  1. ak1978
                    ak1978
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                    23 January 2022 20: 09
                    What are my pelvises? What are you talking about? If there is an attempt to sink a NATO warship, it will come.
  23. Kesha1980 Rank
    Kesha1980
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    21 January 2022 14: 17
    .Russia cannot tell any country what to do

    Can the States?).
    At their request, you moved your ship.)
  24. yuriy55 Rank
    yuriy55
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    21 January 2022 14: 31
    As a sign of support for Ukraine, Spanish ships will join NATO forces in the Mediterranean and Black Sea.

    Is this accession connected with the desire to participate in the aggression of NATO, which crowded at the borders of the Russian Federation, provoking it to defensive actions? Or is it on the topic: “There the animals beat the elephant and I kicked it twice”?
    The reason for these actions of Madrid was the increase in the number of Russian troops on the Ukrainian border.

    For Russia, the participation of Spain under the auspices: “Russia has increased the number on its borders in connection with the manifestation of interest in NATO forces in it” may end up with the fact that Russia, too, may attend to a sharp increase in those wishing to “try the commissar’s body” ... See that it doesn’t end like this :
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  25. Vlad69 Rank
    Vlad69
    +1
    21 January 2022 15: 04
    Damn, we've arrived... And everyone has the right to tell Russia what to do.
  26. svp67 Rank
    svp67
    0
    21 January 2022 15: 41
    Russia cannot tell any country what to do
    - said the Spanish official, implying Kiev's desire to join NATO
    .
    Does anyone have the right to dictate something to Russia? This donna didn't elaborate?
    1. ak1978
      ak1978
      -3
      22 January 2022 09: 39
      What's wrong? Russia really has no right to dictate anything to another sovereign state. If Ukraine wants to join NATO, this is the personal happiness or grief of Ukraine. Russia here what side? I will even say so. It could even be beneficial for Russia from the point of view of resolving the Crimean issue: are you in NATO? OK. But recognize Crimea in exchange for the absence of territorial claims. But for such a pirouette, statesmen are needed in power, and not gopota from the St. Petersburg gateway. She swore impudently and will soon get Ukraine into NATO along with Crimea. Well, as they say, "the greed of the fraer ruined"
      1. svp67 Rank
        svp67
        0
        22 January 2022 10: 45
        Quote: ak1978
        What's wrong? Russia really has no right to dictate anything to another sovereign state.

        Forgive me, but do Russia have the right to dictate something? After all, this is exactly what, since the collapse of the USSR, the "west", led by the United States, has only been doing. And as soon as they received an answer, they immediately threw a tantrum ... not solid
        Quote: ak1978
        If Ukraine wants to join NATO, this is the personal happiness or grief of Ukraine. Russia here what side?
        Excuse me, but what side was tiny Cuba to the USA? In honor of what the "Caribbean conflict" once flared up?
        Quote: ak1978
        I will even say so. It could even be beneficial for Russia from the point of view of resolving the Crimean issue: are you in NATO? OK. But recognize Crimea in exchange for the absence of territorial claims.
        Strange you, for so many centuries Russia fought for these territories, do you think because of its "bloodthirstiness"? No, there were political and, most importantly, economic reasons for this.
        Quote: ak1978
        not gopota from the St. Petersburg gateway.
        Here I read you and wonder ... Who exactly? Are you hinting at Putin? So no, if he really was one of the "gopniks", he would never have been able to get into the positions that he held in the KGB of the USSR, he would not have passed even at the stage of acquaintance with a personal file.
        Here in Ukraine, gopniks are still in power, and, oh horror, DONETSK, this is one of those who should have been swept away by the Maidan of 2014, but here, on the contrary, he exalted ... I'm talking about their secretary of the Security Council Danilov. But that doesn't bother you much.
        Quote: ak1978
        She swore impudently and will soon get Ukraine into NATO along with Crimea.

        You know, let's wait, events are picking up speed and it will soon become clear what will happen, what will not happen ...
        1. ak1978
          ak1978
          -3
          22 January 2022 17: 17
          And who is dictating something to Russia? We are talking about supporting the decisions of the independent, sovereign state of Ukraine. Russia then what side?

          By the way, at the expense of "dictatorship" after the collapse of the USSR. You know who insisted that all nuclear weapons be taken to the Russian Federation. And who was silent while crushing separatism in the Caucasus?

          The conflict was not because of Cuba, but because of nuclear missiles on its territory, moreover, they were secretly imported by the Ikhtanets. And this was done primarily because of the total technological lag of the USSR in the nuclear race. The United States, for example, has also deployed nuclear weapons in England, Italy and Turkey. But they made it official. The missiles were removed, from Europe, by the way, too, and since then no one has touched Cuba.

          How many centuries England fought for Boston and New Amsterdam. So what? By the way, Crimea belonged to Turkey longer than to Russia. These are arguments over the counter. I don't give a damn about what's going on in/in Ukraine. This is their personal grief or happiness. But to end up in North Korea because of the allusions of the children's complexes of St. Petersburg gopota, albeit with a crust of the former KGB, somehow you don’t want to at all.
          1. svp67 Rank
            svp67
            0
            23 January 2022 09: 20
            Quote: ak1978
            And who is dictating something to Russia?

            And... you don't notice it, but of course... Yes, all the time, Russia owes this, Russia owes this... Yes, WE DO NOT OWN YOU ANYTHING. All debts were paid by our grandfathers and great-grandfathers.
            Quote: ak1978
            You know who insisted that all nuclear weapons be taken to the Russian Federation. And who was silent while crushing separatism in the Caucasus?

            And who supported the separatists in the Caucasus? Which of the "great island" countries constantly sticks its snout there? Remind a story?
            Quote: ak1978
            The conflict was not because of Cuba, but because of nuclear missiles on its territory, moreover, secretly imported by the Ikhtanets.

            Secretly from whom? From the sovereign government of Cuba? Or even with his permission. What do you and the US care about the decision of a sovereign government? Or is it from the category of "it's different"?
            Quote: ak1978
            By the way, Crimea belonged to Turkey longer than to Russia. These are arguments over the counter.

            Here it’s better for you not to meddle in History ... Otherwise, let’s start remembering where this Turkey came from in general ...
            Quote: ak1978
            But to end up in North Korea because of the allusions of the children's complexes of St. Petersburg gopota, albeit with a crust of the former KGB, somehow you don’t want to at all.

            This is your inferiority complex, and in an acute form. And I sympathize with you. You are already living in "North Korea" because you are saying what has been hammered into your brain. I find a lot of information on the Internet, and now your words exactly repeat those said by many "bright-skinned" who have the status of "foreign agent"
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              1. svp67 Rank
                svp67
                0
                24 January 2022 17: 47
                Quote: ak1978
                Russia is asked not to interfere in the affairs of neighboring independent and sovereign states

                Welcome to the real world.
                Quote: ak1978
                But no one at the official level demanded that Russia recognize the independence of Chechnya. Do you understand the difference?

                Difference with what?
                Quote: ak1978
                From where Russia comes from.

                Welcome to the real world
                Quote: ak1978
                Those. a person does not want to live like in the DPRK - is he a foreign agent? But?

                No, a person who is not even able to change the order of words and express his personal opinion, in his own words ... He, like in North Korea, simply repeats a political slogan without even turning on his brain
  27. valley64 Rank
    valley64
    0
    21 January 2022 17: 20
    I am embarrassed by the huge number of defense ministers, talkative and absolutely incompetent. Is it specially appointed, for ridicule?
    1. Andrey Grad Rank
      Andrey Grad
      0
      21 January 2022 17: 42
      This trend in the EU has been going on for several years now, with amateurs and chatterboxes being appointed to posts, moreover, often not of a very traditional orientation. In our Riga regime, for example, the Minister Indel Homo is an open sexualist, he comes to receptions with his husband, and the Minister of the Interior is an open lesbian.
  28. Evgeny Seleznev Rank
    Evgeny Seleznev
    +3
    21 January 2022 19: 21
    This is a psychosis warmed up by the West and Russia. We decided to test the testicles. As a result, at oil prices of 87,73 dollars, its exchange rate is 77 rubles (and not 42, as it was at such prices). Further, more than a third of Russia's cash reserves are held by potential enemies, cleverly and incomparably. As a result of all this, we need to invest in the army, by reducing costs for others (we will not tighten the strap in the first).
    1. Ashes of Claes Rank
      Ashes of Claes
      +1
      21 January 2022 19: 43
      Quote: Evgeny Seleznev
      (We will tighten the strap not in the first).

      You missed it: Golikova said that it's better to get up from your knees when you're hungry. Then a useful habit of poverty will be legalized. "Everything will be fine. Get ready" (c)
  29. Warhead-xnumx Rank
    Warhead-xnumx
    +2
    21 January 2022 22: 57
    One thing is a bit annoying: - If tomorrow is a war, if tomorrow is a hike ... etc. , then the boys of age 18 plus a little will take the first blow. This is the main mobilization potential of any country. But they just don’t have any convictions, grounds, reasons to fight the conditional West. They are contrary thoughts and actions there. And counting on citizens forty plus in the war is also not an option. We, of course, have patriotism and our Crimean and Donbass on the one hand, but also children, families, business, a stable, calm life. In general, there is something to lose, and we value life, we are unlikely to agree to exchange it for simple slogans for all the good things. And one Army, if anything, will not pull out.
  30. Slon_on Rank
    Slon_on
    +1
    21 January 2022 23: 59
    Do the new conquistadors know the depth of the Black Sea?
  31. eehnie
    eehnie
    -1
    22 January 2022 02: 18
    It is interesting and important to note that Catalonia with the Greater Basque Country (including Navarre) voted against NATO membership in a 1986 referendum.

    Can someone make a Russian version of this article:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_Spanish_NATO_membership_referendum

    (Automatically translated from English. Below is the original commentary in English)

    It is interesting and important to note that Catalonia with the Greather Basque Country (including Navarre) voted against NATO membership in the Referendum of 1986.

    Someone can make the Russian language version of this article:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_Spanish_NATO_membership_referendum
  32. Timur_3
    Timur_3
    0
    22 January 2022 06: 29
    Spring is coming.
    Everyone will answer for the stormy winter.
  33. Reserve buildbat Rank
    Reserve buildbat
    0
    22 January 2022 19: 18
    How much all sorts of mongrels are frightened by the movements of Russian troops on Russian soil ... But they are not at all worried about the occupation troops of the mattresses, wandering around the lands of these "troubled" mongrels. As I understand it, such feelings as their own dignity, honor, pride, they simply no longer even remember. The main thing is to give the owner a better lick.