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The State Duma submitted a draft appeal to Putin on the recognition of the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics

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The Russian State Duma plans to appeal to Russian President Vladimir Putin with a proposal to recognize the self-proclaimed republics of Donbass. The draft of the corresponding resolution was prepared by deputies from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation.


A group of deputies from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, headed by faction leader Gennady Zyuganov, prepared and submitted to the State Duma a draft resolution of an appeal to Vladimir Putin with a request for the speedy recognition of the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics as independent, sovereign and independent states.

In the document, the deputies indicate that they consider it "reasonable and morally justified" to recognize people's republics, where democratic state bodies with all the attributes of legitimate power are built. It is emphasized that official recognition will protect the people of the republics from external threats and the policy of genocide on the part of Ukraine. The deputies assume that after the recognition of the republics by Russia, a mechanism of international recognition will be launched.

Over the past years, on the basis of the will of the people, democratic state bodies have been built in the republics with all the attributes of legitimate power.

- the project says.

The deputies also intend to ask Putin to consider the issue of holding talks with the leadership of the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics as soon as possible, within which to discuss the creation of a legal basis for interstate relations between Russia and the republics.

The Kremlin has not yet seen a draft appeal to Putin. This was stated by the press secretary of the President Dmitry Peskov.
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  1. Anachoret
    Anachoret 19 January 2022 19: 02
    +25
    The argument is excellent) the first step towards the unification of fraternal peoples)
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 19 January 2022 19: 19
      +64
      Yes, but - immediately the question is, within what boundaries to recognize? If administrative, then the territory of our recognized ally is occupied by a foreign power. With all the consequences .. And in the form of nonesh's stub - it's stupid to admit why for the sake of giving Banderlogs so much land and goodness? And yes, people..
      1. Kairbek
        Kairbek 19 January 2022 19: 51
        +24
        Quote: paul3390
        Yes, but - immediately the question is, within what boundaries to recognize? If administrative, then the territory of our recognized ally is occupied by a foreign power. With all the consequences .. And in the form of nonesh's stub - it's stupid to admit why for the sake of giving Banderlogs so much land and goodness? And yes, people..

        You are right of course! But where do you need to start? Or will we continue to watch how civilians in Novorossia are being shelled
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 19 January 2022 20: 03
          +23
          But where do you need to start?

          Naturally - from the exit of the LDNR buildings to the administrative borders ..
          1. Kairbek
            Kairbek 19 January 2022 20: 18
            +6
            Quote: paul3390
            But where do you need to start?

            Naturally - from the exit of the LDNR buildings to the administrative borders ..

            Well, it goes without saying, when support appears ... They will be able to reach Kiev soldier
            1. zloybond
              zloybond 19 January 2022 20: 54
              -5
              While we are swinging, Ukraine, according to the Kazakh scenario, will ask for help in the fight, and tomorrow there will be already mixed NATO forces on the borders of the DPR
              1. kventinasd
                kventinasd 19 January 2022 21: 30
                -2
                Quote: zloybond
                on the borders of the DPR will be already mixed NATO forces

                They won't if they don't want to repeat their Afghan disgrace.
                1. DymOk_v_dYmke
                  DymOk_v_dYmke 20 January 2022 02: 18
                  +9
                  Quote: kventinasd
                  Quote: zloybond

                  on the borders of the DPR will be already mixed NATO forces


                  They won't if they don't want to repeat their Afghan disgrace.

                  They won't for other reasons:
                  1. Ukraine is not a NATO member, there are no obligations to protect it.
                  2. There is no unity of opinion in NATO regarding Ukraine's Wishlist.
                  Germany even banned the supply of weapons.
                  hi
                  1. kventinasd
                    kventinasd 20 January 2022 02: 24
                    -1
                    Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
                    Germany even banned the supply of weapons

                    This is easily compensated by the small British by selling Ukraine their old rubbish, which is more expensive to dispose of than to sell to third countries.
                    Just the same, the point is precisely in the disagreement among European officials and in their uncertainty that pressure on Russia will bring them some benefit. And even if Russia demolishes all NATO bases in the Baltic states, no one will dare to fight against a nuclear power.
                    1. DymOk_v_dYmke
                      DymOk_v_dYmke 20 January 2022 02: 31
                      +1
                      Quote: kventinasd
                      This is easily compensated by the small British by selling Ukraine their old rubbish, which is more expensive to dispose of than to sell to third countries.

                      Those who want to dispose of rubbish through Ukraine are in abundance, but there are practically no people who want to get involved in an adult way and dispose of their soldiers. yes
                    2. alexey sidykin
                      alexey sidykin 21 January 2022 16: 11
                      +1
                      Quote: kventinasd
                      Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
                      Germany even banned the supply of weapons

                      This is easily compensated by the small British by selling Ukraine their old rubbish, which is more expensive to dispose of than to sell to third countries.
                      Just the same, the point is precisely in the disagreement among European officials and in their uncertainty that pressure on Russia will bring them some benefit. And even if Russia demolishes all NATO bases in the Baltic states, no one will dare to fight against a nuclear power.

                      Plus, Hungary is categorically against kaklov
                  2. Barge_watchman
                    Barge_watchman 20 January 2022 15: 28
                    -6
                    These will be UNICs.
                  3. Vladimir Mashkov
                    Vladimir Mashkov 20 January 2022 21: 56
                    0
                    Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
                    They won't for other reasons:

                    And you are firmly convinced that if Gunpowder makes a mess and an uproar, his supporters will be declared Russian agents, Zelya will ask NATO to protect, then NATO will not enter by request?
                    1. DymOk_v_dYmke
                      DymOk_v_dYmke 20 January 2022 22: 28
                      +1
                      Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                      Are you firmly convinced that if Gunpowder makes a mess and an uproar, his supporters will be declared Russian agents, Zelya will ask NATO to protect, then NATO will not enter?

                      You have outlined an ornate scenario.
                      Even Psaki will not dare to present Gunpowder, who arrived from Poland, as the head of separatists and / or Colorados.
                      For Germany, the role of a gas distributor is more important than internal Ukrainian showdowns. Behind her and others will try to stand on the sidelines. hi
                      1. Vladimir Mashkov
                        Vladimir Mashkov 21 January 2022 12: 22
                        -1
                        Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
                        Even Psaki will not dare to present Gunpowder, who arrived from Poland, as the head of separatists and / or Colorados.

                        Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
                        Even Psaki will not dare to present Gunpowder, who arrived from Poland, as the head of separatists and / or Colorados.

                        Here it is felt that you are far from Ukrainian realities! Have I ever said somewhere that Zelensky, Poroshenko and their accomplices are separatists and Colorados? No, I have never said this anywhere, because I know very well that they are Bandera Nazis. I said "his supporters will announce All of them, of course, are NOT separatists and Colorados at all. But, nevertheless, they constantly call each other separatists, Colorados and Putin’s agents. Unfortunately, this scenario is not so impossible. After all, if NATO (albeit not all of them) enter Ukraine, then you won’t expel them from there! hi
                      2. DymOk_v_dYmke
                        DymOk_v_dYmke 21 January 2022 15: 35
                        +1
                        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

                        Have I ever said somewhere that Zelensky, Poroshenko and their accomplices are separatists and Colorados? No, I have never said this anywhere, because I know very well that they are Bandera Nazis. I said "his supporters will announce Russian agents." All of them, of course, are NOT separatists and Colorados at all. But, nevertheless, they constantly call each other separatists, Colorados and Putin's agents.

                        Here they will announce each other.
                        And then the West decides which of someone's sons there they love more.
                        hi
                2. Kairbek
                  Kairbek 20 January 2022 19: 42
                  -1
                  Quote: kventinasd
                  Quote: zloybond
                  on the borders of the DPR will be already mixed NATO forces

                  They won't if they don't want to repeat their Afghan disgrace.

                  And the Vietnamese, there was the same flight, and in Syria the same thing
          2. ultra
            ultra 19 January 2022 20: 33
            +1
            Then to the left bank of the Dnieper.
        2. Terenin
          Terenin 19 January 2022 21: 58
          +4
          Quote: Kairbek
          But where do you need to start? Or will we continue to watch how civilians in Novorossia are being shelled

          Start small, this is the neutralization (liquidation, destruction ...) of Bandera and other Nazis.
          Otherwise, the problems will remain, no matter what frontiers we reach.
          Either they are us, or we are them.
          Proven by history.
          1. DymOk_v_dYmke
            DymOk_v_dYmke 20 January 2022 02: 25
            +2
            Quote: Terenin
            Start small, this is the neutralization (liquidation, destruction ...) of Bandera and other Nazis.

            And better - foreign instructors. Dotted. Like J. Dudaeva.
            And the owners of the instructors will remain silent, because they are "not there" there. hi
        3. EMMM
          EMMM 19 January 2022 22: 16
          +3
          This question has been asking for closure for a long time. You just have to move on!
        4. sniperino
          sniperino 19 January 2022 23: 01
          -3
          Quote: Kairbek
          what should you start with? Or will we continue to watch how civilians in Novorossia are being shelled
          First, protect the territories not controlled by the ukrovermacht, and then raise the question point-blank about the attitude towards "wool" in the controlled ones.
          1. DymOk_v_dYmke
            DymOk_v_dYmke 20 January 2022 02: 38
            +1
            Quote: sniperino
            First, protect the territories not controlled by the ukrovermacht, and then raise the question point-blank about the attitude towards "wool" in the controlled ones.

            The draft submitted to the State Duma is about this.
            It is worth emphasizing that it was introduced by the Communist Party faction.
      2. Ural resident
        Ural resident 20 January 2022 00: 04
        -1
        Quote: paul3390
        Yes, but - immediately the question is, within what boundaries to recognize? If administrative, then the territory of our recognized ally is occupied by a foreign power. With all the consequences .. And in the form of nonesh's stub - it's stupid to admit why for the sake of giving Banderlogs so much land and goodness? And yes, people..

        How has the opinion changed on VO. About 6 years ago, for such words, they uncompromisingly minus ... I will add, now the LDNR is already too small, it's time to return everyone.
      3. Secutor
        Secutor 20 January 2022 12: 08
        0
        for the sake of giving banderlogs so much land and goodness?

        Some arguments, to put it mildly, dark and medieval. Do we have little land? :)
        It always surprises us that good things disappear and the land of ownerless darkness, but "the neighbor always tastes better."
      4. keeper03
        keeper03 20 January 2022 18: 51
        0
        First recognition, then the people's liberation operation! yes soldier
    2. Thrifty
      Thrifty 19 January 2022 19: 21
      +14
      Again, earning political points for yourself, again playing for the public !!! Who, or what forbade recognizing the republics, as well as accepting them as part of Russia a year, two, three years ago? They will rattle a little, thinking that the Kremlin, and everything will remain in place -Words will again disperse with deeds.
      1. Orel
        Orel 19 January 2022 19: 25
        +2
        Quote: Thrifty
        Again, earning yourself plitic points, again playing for the public !!!


        There are no independent parties in the State Duma. 99 percent of laws and proposals are written in the administration of the President of the Russian Federation. Duma is a "cardboard". They were told that NATO needed to believe in the seriousness of our intentions even more. "Bluff" is good when they believe in it, and if not a bluff, then even more so, someone should turn to the king. Zyuganov, the presidential administration kicked)))
        1. Astra55
          Astra55 19 January 2022 20: 09
          +21
          It looks like you are right. But the project is not being submitted by the EP, but by the Communist Party of the Russian Federation. What is it for?
          And to the fact that this project is no longer for us, but for the Americans is intended. The President will not sign anything now, but this project will shock Biden in front of his nose.
          And there it will be seen.
          1. EMMM
            EMMM 19 January 2022 22: 20
            0
            Undercover political fuss is inaccessible and incomprehensible to us. But if the topic is designated, wait for the continuation.
            And then A.P. Chekhov: "If a gun hangs on the wall ..."
        2. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 19 January 2022 20: 32
          +6
          Quote: Orel
          someone must turn to the king. Zyuganov, the presidential administration kicked)))

          According to the history of previous convocations of the State Duma, Zhirinovsky was supposed to address. He had such a role. He will say something, only the lazy will not laugh, and in five years, you see, we did it. You can remember a lot of things there ... The first thing that comes to mind is our ships in the Indian Ocean and the federal districts.
        3. DymOk_v_dYmke
          DymOk_v_dYmke 20 January 2022 02: 46
          -1
          Quote: Orel
          someone must turn to the king. Zyuganov, the presidential administration kicked)))

          The version doesn't roll very well.
          If the Communist Party is so easily kicked, then why was it spread rot in the elections?
          1. victor50
            victor50 21 January 2022 03: 52
            0
            Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
            If the Communist Party is so easily kicked, then why was it spread rot in the elections?

            To make them look real. laughing
          2. Sergey Nikiforov
            Sergey Nikiforov 21 January 2022 11: 02
            -1
            Yes, no one (the party) spread rot The number of seats was scheduled in advance As you yourself understand, the elections are prophonation And the roles in the Duma are clearly defined Fair Russia is the guardian of working pensioners The Communist Party is the guardian of the oppressed peoples, the Liberal Democratic Party is for all sorts of crap, and the EP does not really do anything decides, but listens to what the tsar will say Won yesterday unanimously for the additional indexation of pensions, but in December it was impossible, the tsar did not give a directive. As for a specific project, this is nonsense, self-promotion Nothing will happen
          3. alexey sidykin
            alexey sidykin 21 January 2022 16: 16
            +1
            Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
            Quote: Orel
            someone must turn to the king. Zyuganov, the presidential administration kicked)))

            The version doesn't roll very well.
            If the Communist Party is so easily kicked, then why was it spread rot in the elections?

            Why bully her? The Communist Party of the Russian Federation itself is doing an excellent job of flirting with the liberal opposition ... Yes, both Levchenko Bondarenko and Rashkin have spoiled Zyuganov well, but it’s not enough to see them removed.
            1. DymOk_v_dYmke
              DymOk_v_dYmke 21 January 2022 16: 43
              0
              Quote: Alexey Sedykin
              Yes, and Levchenko Bondarenko and Rashkin did a good job of spoiling Zyuganov, but it’s not enough to see them in spirit.

              They rather pissed off Levchenko, Bondarenko and Rashkin.
              Purposefully.
              1. alexey sidykin
                alexey sidykin 21 January 2022 17: 01
                -1
                Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
                Quote: Alexey Sedykin
                Yes, and Levchenko Bondarenko and Rashkin did a good job of spoiling Zyuganov, but it’s not enough to see them in spirit.

                They rather pissed off Levchenko, Bondarenko and Rashkin.
                Purposefully.

                I'm sorry, I don't get it, is this humor or serious? what
      2. AUL
        AUL 19 January 2022 20: 38
        -2
        Quote: Thrifty
        Again, earning political points for yourself, again playing for the public !!!

        I think it's not quite right. Of course, this is not serious yet (otherwise the proposal would come from the ground), but as a demonstration of one of our possible steps, it is quite real!
      3. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 19 January 2022 20: 43
        +1
        Quote: Thrifty
        Again, earning political points for yourself, again playing for the public !!!
        If you consider yourself to be part of the public that shares the LDNR's desire for (international) recognition, then what difference does it make to you who initiates this proposal? Maybe you would be nicer if this was voiced by United Russia, which "without playing for the public" and "without earning political points" has been consistently dynamizing this topic for 8 years, but so far like this. Communists suggested. At least somebody. There is another option - no initiative at all. Then you will have a reason to put forward a reproach that no one needs the topic of recognition at all and "Russia leaked it."
        1. Azis
          Azis 19 January 2022 21: 04
          +11
          EdRo introduces practically only pass-through bills or those lowered from above, and since the communists have introduced it, then this, of course, can be voiced, and then not accepted by a majority of votes. For this, the State Duma needs the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, the Liberal Democratic Party, the SR ...
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 19 January 2022 21: 12
            +1
            Quote: Azis
            EdRo introduces practically only pass-through bills or those lowered from above, and since the communists have introduced it, then this, of course, can be voiced, and then not accepted by a majority of votes. For this, the State Duma needs the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, the Liberal Democratic Party, the SR ...
            Yes, this is Aziz, and so it is clear. If the “Kremlin” takes such a decision “on its own”, then this will kind of cause a foreign reaction, and if the Kremlin makes such a decision under “public influence”, then it seems like it’s out of business - like it answered the aspirations of the people, which levels off the accusations of foreigners in the dictatorship. Today, probably, each "violin" will play its part, because for all "violins" there is one external enemy, which forces them to rally around the conductor to counteract, regardless of their views and beliefs.
            1. Azis
              Azis 19 January 2022 21: 26
              -1
              Yes. And everything is clear about the conductor. The fact is that the "aspirations of the people" the conductor "under the pressure of international public opinion" will be forced to ignore. And for internal violins there is a "bow" led by a duelist. Unfortunately, one balalaika, without a dombra and (what Belarusians have), with an accordion of sympathizers, will not perform with an orchestra, even with a very, very talented, repeatedly experienced, sensual, charismatic, athletic and single conductor.
          2. DymOk_v_dYmke
            DymOk_v_dYmke 20 January 2022 02: 55
            0
            Quote: Azis
            EdRo introduces practically only passing bills or lowered from above

            That's why they are "passing" because the EP can take them exclusively with their own votes, without taking into account others.
      4. Reserve officer
        Reserve officer 20 January 2022 01: 36
        +5
        The vast majority of voters voted for the Communist Party in the last elections. Elections brazenly rigged, and that the Communist Party? Recognized! Zyuganov once again chickened out and compromised the entire party. The feeding trough of the parliamentary party with a bowl of guaranteed food is more precious than any truth. So now any initiatives of the Communist Party are worthless, empty chatter. The trust of voters is lost, you can't restore it. Yes, Gennady Andreevich? But you were considered human.
        1. Per se.
          Per se. 20 January 2022 09: 31
          +4
          Quote: Reserve officer
          Lost voter confidence
          Of all my acquaintances (and acquaintances of acquaintances) I have not heard that anyone voted for the EP, but they win the elections. Maybe my case is a special one (such are my acquaintances)?
          As for Gennady Andreevich, the impression is that he discredits a great idea more than he propagates and defends it.
        2. alexey sidykin
          alexey sidykin 21 January 2022 16: 20
          -1
          Quote: Stock Officer
          The vast majority of voters voted for the Communist Party in the last elections. Elections brazenly rigged, and that the Communist Party? Recognized! Zyuganov once again chickened out and compromised the entire party. The feeding trough of the parliamentary party with a bowl of guaranteed food is more precious than any truth. So now any initiatives of the Communist Party are worthless, empty chatter. The trust of voters is lost, you can't restore it. Yes, Gennady Andreevich? But you were considered human.

          Leave your pathos for the stands ...
    3. Hagen
      Hagen 19 January 2022 19: 24
      +4
      Quote: Anchorite
      The argument is excellent) the first step towards the unification of fraternal peoples)

      Usual populism. An attempt to collect confused electoral positions. I think Zyu understands perfectly well that the recognition of the republics by Russia does not depend on appeals of this kind. And from the situation in the "party" with external players. And only Putin knows when and under what circumstances he will make this move. The opinion of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, which harms more than helps, will be taken into account as a last resort.
      1. dauria
        dauria 19 January 2022 19: 59
        +1
        . An attempt to collect confused electoral positions.

        For a moose cow killed by a "communist" hunter, they are laundered. laughing Can anyone even clearly answer the question "What demon are we feeding this whole herd for?" No meat, no milk, no wool. Do not harness them to the plow and cart. And you won’t sell to anyone for a tribe.
        Maybe smarter? Announce tender. Whoever demands less salary - he goes to the deputies. So, you see, they will pay to the treasury for the right to make laws. laughing
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 19 January 2022 20: 10
          +4
          Quote: dauria
          Can anyone even clearly answer the question "What demon are we feeding all this herd for?

          The communist idea in Russia is supported by a significant part of the population. So she puts forward what she can. Another thing is that the idea can differ significantly from practical party building. And the party is the people. To which everything human is inherent. And genius, and stupidity, and disinterestedness, and acquisitiveness, and the desire to dominate in a society of their own kind. As a result, people in general, not without abilities, can emerge in the leadership of parties (any) (with milk and wool, but they are not for everyone). laughing ), but far from the idea. The whole trouble is that these people will never express their true thoughts to the voters ahead of time, before the elections. And the voter believes in their false ideological message. request
          1. EMMM
            EMMM 19 January 2022 22: 22
            +8
            The Communist idea and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation have nothing in common in principle.
          2. Paranoid50
            Paranoid50 19 January 2022 23: 13
            -11
            Quote: Hagen
            The communist idea in Russia is supported by a significant part of the population

            laughing laughing laughing Well, your division, it would seem, is adults ...
            But no, infantile on infantile, driving with hysteroids. fellow wassat As for the "communist idea", for most of the "supporters" it boils down to an indefatigable desire not to earn, but to receive, having previously divided everything, yeah. yes
            1. DymOk_v_dYmke
              DymOk_v_dYmke 20 January 2022 03: 16
              +3
              Quote: Paranoid50
              As for the "communist idea", for most of the "supporters" it boils down to an indefatigable desire not to earn, but to receive, having previously divided everything, yeah.

              For the "supporters" of anti-communist ideas, everything also comes down to
              irrepressible desire not to earn, but to receive, having previously divided everything
              only in unscrupulous proportions.
              All that and the difference in the presence / absence of conscience.
              In Western cultures, there is no such concept.
              1. Hagen
                Hagen 20 January 2022 06: 12
                +2
                Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
                In Western cultures, there is no such concept.

                The entire Western civilization is built on an elementary robbery of nearby territories and their inhabitants. Beginning with Ancient Rome and especially intensifying during the period of "geographical discoveries". She lives by this principle today. Even the gas crisis itself occurred in Europe on the basis of the principle of the primacy of European desires - "pay less, receive more, no thoughts about mutually beneficial relations"
                1. Barge_watchman
                  Barge_watchman 20 January 2022 16: 00
                  -1
                  That's for sure...
                  from west to east, from the Urals to Kamchatka
                  1. Hagen
                    Hagen 20 January 2022 16: 03
                    0
                    Quote: Barge_watchman
                    That's for sure...

                    This is exactly what? It's not clear what you mean about "from west to east".
                    1. Barge_watchman
                      Barge_watchman 20 January 2022 18: 08
                      -2
                      This is agreement with your postulate that the West always plunders the East.
                      Siberia after all, east of Moscow?
                      They began to rob, I remember, even under Ivan 4 ...
                      1. Hagen
                        Hagen 20 January 2022 19: 26
                        +1
                        Quote: Barge_watchman
                        Siberia after all, east of Moscow?
                        They began to rob, I remember, even under Ivan 4 ...

                        I was talking about "western civilization". Didn't make it? laughing
                      2. Barge_watchman
                        Barge_watchman 21 January 2022 13: 54
                        -3
                        Nope, couldn't.
                        Designate, plz, the Moscow kingdom, in relation to Siberia and the Far East, is it Western civilization, or is it not? Or, not civilization?
              2. Paranoid50
                Paranoid50 20 January 2022 10: 06
                +1
                Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
                All that and the difference in the presence / absence of conscience.

                yes Exactly. Before you can take something, you have to give something. But, alas, many believe that the whole world owes them, and if the whole world does not agree, then the whole world is a big pig. And the filth of indefatigable consumerism today affects both the "reds" and the "whites" - the difference is only in the "packaging".
                Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
                In Western cultures, there is no such concept.

                Well, there is no talk about these.
            2. Hagen
              Hagen 20 January 2022 06: 07
              +2
              Quote: Paranoid50
              As for the "communist idea", for most of the "supporters" it boils down to an indefatigable desire not to earn, but to receive, after dividing everything, yeah

              Supporters of the communist idea, something in the region of 12 million only from those who voted. How many of them have you interviewed or analyzed to state their motivations? I think, in addition to infantiles, we still have a lot of wear-diggers who approve thoughts with which they are not familiar.
              1. Paranoid50
                Paranoid50 20 January 2022 09: 55
                0
                Quote: Hagen
                ideas something around 12 million

                It is possible that more - the party of consumers from life is very numerous, their name is Legion. yes fellow Hey, you're funny, cool. More or less adequate I invite here as in a circus zoo, to admire the original forms of life. laughing
            3. Kaufman
              Kaufman 20 January 2022 14: 48
              -1
              like Miss Sharikov! Take everything and share!
        2. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 19 January 2022 20: 41
          +18
          Quote: dauria
          Announce tender. Whoever demands less salary - he goes to the deputies. So, you see, they will pay to the treasury for the right to make laws.

          I remembered the story of R. Sheckley "Ticket to the planet Tranai".
          There, all officials of all ranks were required to wear a collar with explosives around their necks. Any citizen in the "public reception" could press the button with the official's name - "like-dislike". Once the number of "dislikes" reached a certain level.... Boom! The position of the official became vacant. I read it for a long time, but there the traveler, who had just arrived on the planet, was immediately called to the presidency, in my opinion.

          If we were given such collars in the State Duma, there would be no one to sit.
          1. EMMM
            EMMM 19 January 2022 22: 24
            -5
            "Koo-oo!"
          2. Hagen
            Hagen 20 January 2022 07: 27
            +3
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            If we were given such collars in the State Duma, there would be no one to sit.

            And if all of them were hanged, then there would be no problems along with the population. We ourselves are ready to control each other. Only power does not give. That's why a lot of people don't like her. We are ready to destroy the “world of violence to its foundations”, but then we don’t know what to do with the devastation. In 1991, they destroyed it, but today we cannot really restore the economy, but we shed tears - how did we manage to "destroy the bright life?" And yet, even that didn't teach us anything. Veche give us! ... How can one not remember Lavrov?!
        3. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 19 January 2022 21: 03
          +9
          Quote: dauria
          For a moose cow killed by a "communist" hunter, they are laundered.

          There is a big question here, who else was hunting for whom - a communist for a moose cow, or ederasty for a communist with live bait.
          So by the way and unexpectedly, huntsmen and cops and the inquisitive press with cameras and microphones turned out to be at the shooting site. I don’t justify this pretzel from the communists, because. he himself set himself up, allowing the "entertainers" to play a set-up, where he played the main role, knowing that ethics is completely absent in a political war. In a word, he is not to blame for the fact that he got the moose cow, but for allowing himself to be drawn into this setup.
          Quote: dauria
          Can anyone even clearly answer the question "What demon are we feeding this whole herd for?" No meat, no milk, no wool. Do not harness them to the plow and cart. And you won’t sell to anyone for a tribe.
          How, however, do you Olesha so sincerely and categorically advocate for Edro?!!! I understand that there are hidden EDs here, but no one has been so openly exposed yet. Do you think it turns out that all parties in the Duma should be abolished and Edra's monopoly should be left? So what?
          1. dauria
            dauria 19 January 2022 21: 50
            +4
            are you advocating for Edro so sincerely and categorically?

            Of all the Edra, I respect only Natalya Poklonskaya. Man with a steel rod. And spit on her beliefs and delusions. The rest of the rabble there are people with a "flexible roller - spring" instead of a spine. They bend as you wish, but it is impossible to lean on them.
            1. EMMM
              EMMM 19 January 2022 22: 28
              -3
              I have even more respect for Eva Braun, at least she decided to take the last step.
              And this one at the last moment decided to send everyone to stay in the Moscow party
            2. Per se.
              Per se. 20 January 2022 09: 45
              +5
              Quote: dauria
              Of all the Edra, I respect only Natalia Poklonskaya
              Natalya Poklonskaya, first of all, a beautiful woman who found herself in a difficult time, in a responsible place (events in the Crimea). As for the rest, to go out with a portrait of Nicholas II (immortal regiment), to meet impostors-heirs ... Sarah Wagenknecht, as a woman and a politician, I personally like more.
              1. dauria
                dauria 20 January 2022 09: 57
                +5
                . For the rest, go out with a portrait of Nicholas II (immortal regiment), meet impostors-heirs

                Actually she one from all United Russia voted against the pension reform. At once crossing out his "warm, well-fed and comfortable" court future. Think about it.
                1. Per se.
                  Per se. 20 January 2022 10: 37
                  +4
                  Quote: dauria
                  In fact, she is one of the entire United Russia voted against the pension reform.
                  In this she, no doubt, credit, respect.
                2. Barge_watchman
                  Barge_watchman 20 January 2022 16: 07
                  -2
                  Ukrainian education? repeat
          2. your1970
            your1970 21 January 2022 11: 59
            +1
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            There is a big question here, who else was hunting for whom - a communist for a moose cow, or ederasty for a communist with live bait.

            And you just didn’t catch the main thing behind all the tinsel - this is not the first time and not the second ...
            A thermal imager, even the most miserable, from 200 .... such things are not bought at a time ...

            The man killed the game NOTICE knowing that no one will stop him and he will not be anything for it.
            Well, they will stop even if the cops - waved a red book - Immunity- and went on...
            That is why Kindergarten excuses - "I thought it was a boar", "I thought that there were documents for the boar", "they found the dead", "they took only part"

            PERMISSIVENESS.
            1. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 21 January 2022 12: 28
              +1
              Quote: your1970
              A man killed game KNOWING that no one would stop him and he would not get anything for it.
              Well, they will stop even if the cops - waved a red book - Immunity - and then went on ...
              That is why Kindergarten excuses - "I thought it was a boar", "I thought that there were documents for a boar", "they found a dead man", "they took only a part"

              Yes, it's all clear. I myself have been hunting officially for 32 years (since 1990). He was the chairman of the hunting society, and he didn’t see or hear anything. But there was a clear set up, which they were able to competently organize and implement in full using the deputy's passion for hunting. Do you think N. Valuev, in order to go to the shooting of a bear, is standing in line to obtain a license and a ticket? No. He stupidly goes to the zaimka, where the tenant of the hunting area has already drawn up everything, after which he rises to the ambush and makes a shot, takes a picture, receives his piece of fillet and goes home. Here everything went according to the same scheme, only they were surrounded by rangers, police and correspondents, who asked one of the first questions - "What faction do you represent?" Quite a "random" question on the carcass.
              I do not justify Rashkin, he is already guilty of shooting a moose cow, which I am an ardent opponent of, but I have no doubt that it was a well-planned "hunt for live bait". And the nonsense that he carried, of course, is nonsense, although he wanted to seem convincing.
              1. your1970
                your1970 21 January 2022 12: 43
                +1
                Quote: Nyrobsky
                zaimka, where the tenant of the hunting area has already drawn up everything, after which he rises to the ambush and makes a shot,
                the layout is completely different...

                The beauty of this case is WILD elk OUT hunting grounds without a single piece of paper.
                And apparently - he went there as if in his refrigerator - "I wanted some game ..."
                So there was a hunt with live bait for the most banal poacher ..
                Just the rangers and the police - he would have sent ... into the distance ...... a red book - she is so ..
                Correspondents are more difficult belay
                1. Nyrobsky
                  Nyrobsky 21 January 2022 12: 48
                  +1
                  Quote: your1970
                  Quote: Nyrobsky
                  zaimka, where the tenant of the hunting area has already drawn up everything, after which he rises to the ambush and makes a shot,
                  the layout is completely different...

                  The beauty of this case is WILD elk OUT hunting grounds without a single piece of paper.
                  And apparently - he went there as if in his refrigerator - "I wanted some game ..."
                  So there was a hunt with live bait for the most banal poacher ..
                  Just the rangers and the police - he would have sent ... into the distance ...... a red book - she is so ..
                  Correspondents are more difficult belay

                  I do not insist on my version. Each with his own. Let's finish for this hi
                  1. your1970
                    your1970 21 January 2022 12: 58
                    +2
                    Quote: Nyrobsky

                    I do not insist on my version.

                    But I don’t refute it - one lost its shores and poached, others eliminated a competitor, and beautifully.

                    Quote: Nyrobsky
                    I myself have been hunting officially for 32 years (since 1990). He was the chairman of the hunting society and what he didn’t see or hear
                    - and you have never been told - "Yes, I am a prosecutor / deputy / judge .... Yes, right now ... and you will fly out .."????
                    1. Nyrobsky
                      Nyrobsky 21 January 2022 15: 39
                      +3
                      Quote: your1970
                      - and you have never been told - "Yes, I am a prosecutor / deputy / judge .... Yes, right now ... and you will fly out .."????

                      Maybe now it will seem strange, but no one told me this. Where I lived, in the taiga, the bear was the prosecutor and there was enough space for everyone not to cross at all. Population density per hectare half a person hi
        4. victor50
          victor50 21 January 2022 03: 56
          0
          Quote: dauria
          Announce tender.

          Witty! hi And maybe it would work?
    4. raw174
      raw174 19 January 2022 19: 51
      +16
      But I’m wondering why the LNR and the DNR themselves will not unite among themselves. Why recognize them separately? Or are there critical differences?
      1. Vladimir61
        Vladimir61 19 January 2022 20: 45
        +1
        Quote: raw174
        But I’m wondering why the LNR and the DNR themselves will not unite among themselves.
        Because there are guarantors, but there are participants in the conflict in the signed Minsk agreements. And the DPR and LPR appear there! Russia recognizes them, then they either unite or enter Rostov. And there is no reason to guess what will be included in the territories of the DPR and LPR. These two former regions began to defend their right within their administrative-territorial formations!
        1. Azis
          Azis 19 January 2022 21: 13
          +1
          And within the framework of the Minsk "agreements" one could declare the unification of these two parties and acting as one side. It's just that the "elites" are different there, each with their own worms. And they see the example of the Union State of Russia and Belarus.
          1. Vladimir61
            Vladimir61 19 January 2022 23: 42
            +1
            Quote: Azis
            And within the framework of the Minsk "agreements" it would be possible to announce the unification
            I am not surprised that many do not read the Minsk agreements, but everyone who is not lazy to comment! Yes, if you have problems with worms, do not self-medicate!. Go to a parasitologist, you will be very surprised!
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        2. Barge_watchman
          Barge_watchman 20 January 2022 16: 08
          -2
          In the Minsk agreements, there is no DPR-LPR.
          There is ORDLO.
        3. victor50
          victor50 21 January 2022 03: 59
          0
          Quote: Vladimir61
          Because there are guarantors, and there are participants in the conflict in the signed Minsk agreements. And the DPR and LPR appear there!

          Wow! Beautiful excuse! Bravo! And what prevented them from uniting before the Minsk agreements?
      2. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 19 January 2022 21: 56
        +9
        Quote: raw174
        But I’m wondering why the LNR and the DNR themselves will not unite among themselves.

        Lost memory?

        Remind me what happened next? Instantly a messenger from Putin jumped up and ordered to turn everything back.
        1. alexey sidykin
          alexey sidykin 21 January 2022 16: 36
          +1
          Quote: mordvin xnumx
          Quote: raw174
          But I’m wondering why the LNR and the DNR themselves will not unite among themselves.

          Lost memory?

          Remind me what happened next? Instantly a messenger from Putin jumped up and ordered to turn everything back.

          No, it's a little wrong, they were offered to wait a little with the referendum. But these people balked and immediately began to kick out who’s balls are cooler ... besides, apart from Kharkov, Donetsk and Luhansk, there were no significant mass protests, because 2-3% of the protesters from the population of cities is nothing at all.
      3. EMMM
        EMMM 19 January 2022 22: 32
        -3
        They have an alliance, in a war more can not be achieved.
        But in reality there was talk about the creation of the Republic of Little Russia, but it seems that Moscow did not support this.
    5. Escobar
      Escobar 19 January 2022 21: 32
      -11
      And how much did we get from this association? Crimea is ours, and what's next from the same opera? Sanctions, the collapse of the national currency by more than 2 times, against the dollar and the euro, despite the fact that a huge liver of goods is purchased for these same dollars and euros. And where were the fraternal peoples when Russia, after the collapse of the USSR, paid off the state debt for all the republics? And then to restore their territories, with budget money, which came from, among other things, your and my taxes, which are regularly collected from us. Let them put things in order in their own country
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 19 January 2022 22: 05
        +3
        Quote: Eskobar
        And where were the fraternal peoples when Russia, after the collapse of the USSR, paid off the state debt for all the republics?

        Our rulers themselves insisted on shouldering the debts of the USSR.
        1. Barge_watchman
          Barge_watchman 20 January 2022 16: 10
          0
          Both debts and loans. But this is not to be remembered.
      2. EMMM
        EMMM 19 January 2022 22: 34
        -5
        Either raise your head, or crawl in the dust like a worm!
      3. Kaufman
        Kaufman 20 January 2022 14: 52
        +2
        Be strong! Further ischo will be more fun! Have you seen how the auto market is growing? Well, everything else will soon follow the dollar, and we'll see how the level of patriotism in VO will fall.
        1. Escobar
          Escobar 20 January 2022 21: 24
          +1
          With the growth in the cost of apartments last year, ofigel. Percent by 15-20. It is called kopil-kopil, and shish.
    6. Barge_watchman
      Barge_watchman 20 January 2022 15: 26
      -3
      Lugansk with Donetsk?
  2. Vasily Chernyshev
    Vasily Chernyshev 19 January 2022 19: 04
    +3
    That's the news! It's high time, and then join by holding a referendum yes drinks
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 19 January 2022 19: 31
      +2
      In the document, the deputies indicate that they consider it "reasonable and morally justified" to recognize people's republics, where democratic state bodies with all the attributes of legitimate power are built.

      I consider it justified and morally justified to unite these unrecognized territories into a single republic with its subsequent recognition.
      unification in spite of anyone's selfish local interests.
      there is nothing to produce dwarf quasi-states for someone's pockets.
      you need to grow a full-fledged successor to Soviet Ukraine.
      1. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis 19 January 2022 19: 50
        -2
        Quote: Flood
        need to grow a complete legal successor of Soviet Ukraines.

        Another Ukraine, as a state entity, did not exist. Prepare the government, the armed forces, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, try out a different model of the state .. Different than in the Russian Federation and Ukraine .. Closer to human problems, more social, but not to bring to idiocy.
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 19 January 2022 20: 02
          +1
          Quote: 30 vis
          Another Ukraine, as a state entity, did not exist

          not into the backstage of Ukrainian stories
          about the "other Ukraine" did not write anything because of ignorance of such
          the mistake made in the word "successor" was corrected
        2. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 19 January 2022 20: 49
          +6
          Quote: 30 vis
          Another Ukraine, as a state entity, did not exist

          This afternoon, on Channel One in the studio, the Pole Koreyba said that their (Poland's) goal is to take from Ukraine what they are interested in and need. First of all - people, resources. The territory is not interesting to them, let it remain nothing, as it was before. This generation will still be "Ukrainians" and will wash toilets, but the next generation will be Poles.
          One should have seen the jaw of the "ukropolitologist" standing next to him: "Me too, my friend is called..."
        3. alexey sidykin
          alexey sidykin 21 January 2022 16: 40
          -2
          Quote: 30 vis
          Quote: Flood
          need to grow a complete legal successor of Soviet Ukraines.

          Another Ukraine, as a state entity, did not exist. Prepare the government, the armed forces, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, try out a different model of the state .. Different than in the Russian Federation and Ukraine .. Closer to human problems, more social, but not to bring to idiocy.

          And at the same time grow people from test tubes to be sure ...
          1. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 21 January 2022 17: 01
            0
            disbelief in humanity is your own business. disillusioned with humanity whiner.
            1. alexey sidykin
              alexey sidykin 21 January 2022 17: 11
              -1
              Quote: 30 vis
              disbelief in humanity is your own business. disillusioned with humanity whiner.

              Where did you find my whine? You whine about it all the time, and my current life suits me.
              1. Xnumx vis
                Xnumx vis 21 January 2022 17: 16
                0
                Let's get comfortable ., fatter .. whiner.
                1. alexey sidykin
                  alexey sidykin 21 January 2022 17: 30
                  -2
                  Quote: 30 vis
                  Let's get comfortable ., fatter .. whiner.

                  Clearly another dumbass...
                  1. Xnumx vis
                    Xnumx vis 21 January 2022 19: 30
                    0
                    Quote: Alexey Sedykin
                    Quote: 30 vis
                    Let's get comfortable ., fatter .. whiner.

                    Clearly another dumbass...

                    Are you rude? But this is not worth doing.
                    1. alexey sidykin
                      alexey sidykin 22 January 2022 11: 06
                      +1
                      Quote: 30 vis
                      Quote: Alexey Sedykin
                      Quote: 30 vis
                      Let's get comfortable ., fatter .. whiner.

                      Clearly another dumbass...

                      Are you rude? But this is not worth doing.

                      Nothing like that, just stating a fact.
      2. EMMM
        EMMM 19 January 2022 22: 37
        +1
        Here is the process of solving the problem will be found without us. I would very much like to avoid an open conflict, which is already brewing.
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 19 January 2022 19: 49
      0
      Quote: Vasily Chernyshev
      That's the news! It's high time, and then join by holding a referendum

      It is high time to recognize, but to attach - wait. It is better to immediately accept the CSTO and peacekeepers can be brought in. But then, all the occupying troops in the Donbass will quickly flee from there.
      1. EMMM
        EMMM 19 January 2022 22: 39
        -3
        What kind of occupation troops in the Donbass? You don't confuse anything?
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 20 January 2022 08: 40
          0
          Quote: EMMM
          What kind of occupation troops in the Donbass? You don't confuse anything?

          The Armed Forces of Ukraine are the occupying forces! An army to protect the people does not behave like they do. Or do you not think so?
          1. EMMM
            EMMM 23 January 2022 23: 33
            0
            Actually, I thought only Russia and the police of the Little Russian republics are called occupiers
    3. Snail N9
      Snail N9 19 January 2022 20: 02
      +7
      And there was already a "referendum" on accession, and the authorized rights to send troops were already given, and the people were already celebrating the "Russian Spring", and suddenly ... a "wizard from Switzerland" - a "bra" arrived and ... it was all over: the troops were returned to barracks, they recognized Poros, they took Strelkov out with his comrades and the famous words of "a man similar to the president" that there is no future for the LPR and DPR, except as part of Ukraine ... best situation for us. yes
      1. victor50
        victor50 21 January 2022 04: 05
        -1
        Quote: Snail N9
        So, cool down - these "twitches" have already passed under a situation that is obviously better for us.

        Maybe for those who make decisions now is "the best situation"? What achievements can be presented to the people?
    4. Barge_watchman
      Barge_watchman 20 January 2022 16: 11
      -2
      The referendum in the Russian Federation is prohibited.
  3. Asad
    Asad 19 January 2022 19: 06
    +5
    Based on the fact that the thought is completely “pocket”, an order came from above. I'm afraid this initiative is only to raise rates before negotiations.
    1. Pandiurin
      Pandiurin 19 January 2022 19: 22
      +4
      Quote: ASAD
      Based on the fact that the thought is completely “pocket”, an order came from above. I'm afraid this initiative is only to raise rates before negotiations.


      The Communist Party of the Russian Federation contributes a lot of things, something may be necessary, but I suppose the goal will be promoted.

      It is possible that the recognition of the LDNR will take place in the next few months. But the communists seem to have staged a false start because of populism.

      Most likely, their clumsy participation in this matter will not create any serious problems.
      1. yuriy55
        yuriy55 19 January 2022 19: 39
        +6
        Quote: Pandiurin
        The Communist Party of the Russian Federation contributes a lot of things, something may be necessary, but I guess the goal ...

        What the Communist Party contributed should have been done in 2014 (don't you know that there was a referendum in the LDNR in May 2014?), And not chewing snot in the presence of a majority from the EP in the State Duma.
        There came a group of new deputies who set themselves one task - to be useful to their people. In any case, this is what deputy A.E. Glazkova does.
        ==========
        Do it yourself, at least something, and then speak. Fedyaev P.M. was elected from Kuzbass for two terms in a row (now the third). (the son of the same Fedyaev, who had an accident at the Listvyazhnaya mine) We have never seen him ... AT ALL!!!


        Quote: Pandiurin
        Most likely, their clumsy participation in this matter will not create any serious problems.

        Your participation will benefit the inhabitants of the LDNR ... Your message will make them feel better ...
        1. Pandiurin
          Pandiurin 19 January 2022 20: 24
          -1
          Quote: yuriy55
          Quote: Pandiurin
          The Communist Party of the Russian Federation contributes a lot of things, something may be necessary, but I guess the goal ...

          What the Communist Party contributed should have been done in 2014 (don't you know that there was a referendum in the LDNR in May 2014?), And not chewing snot in the presence of a majority from the EP in the State Duma.
          There came a group of new deputies who set themselves one task - to be useful to their people. In any case, this is what deputy A.E. Glazkova does.
          ==========
          Do it yourself, at least something, and then speak. Fedyaev P.M. was elected from Kuzbass for two terms in a row (now the third). (the son of the same Fedyaev, who had an accident at the Listvyazhnaya mine) We have never seen him ... AT ALL!!!


          Quote: Pandiurin
          Most likely, their clumsy participation in this matter will not create any serious problems.

          Your participation will benefit the inhabitants of the LDNR ... Your message will make them feel better ...


          When Abkhazia and South Ossetia were recognized, the military factor was zero (Georgia was brought to peace), there was only a political factor.

          The recognition of Crimea - the military factor was quite significant, but rather it happened as a special operation with a very limited time factor.

          LDNR is a huge military factor, and under certain circumstances this can lead (one might say start) full-scale hostilities.

          As for the LDNR and Ukraine, Russia this month made statements that, subject to the Minsk agreements, the territorial integrity of Ukraine is not in danger.
          It turns out that the declared official position of Russia suggests that we are looking at how the Minsk agreements will be implemented, i.e. given some time to restart the process. A few days pass and everything is already replayed? Are we taking back our words?

          Serious negotiations are underway now, which obviously were not started just like that, and the issue of the LDNR is of course very important, but topics of a different order are being resolved there.

          Recognition of the LDNR, if it happens, is only at the right time, not earlier and not later.

          The petition of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation was not required for this, in no way will it affect anything.

          The communists just wanted to be the first to show up with her, that's why populism.
          1. Kesha1980
            Kesha1980 19 January 2022 20: 46
            0
            Agree with you on both comments. I can add that the recognition of the LDNR by Russia will take place 10 years later, or if the Armed Forces of Ukraine again begin active mass operations with an attack on civilians (the analogue is South Ossetia (shooting with Grads in the city), the analogue is Abkhazia (long disobedience to Tbilisi).
            And the initiative will be "promoted" by EP). Cynically, perhaps, but so real.
            1. Pandiurin
              Pandiurin 19 January 2022 21: 12
              -3
              Quote: Kesha1980

              ... recognition of the LDNR by Russia will occur after 10 years, or if the Armed Forces of Ukraine again begin active mass operations with an attack on civilians (analogue - South Ossetia (shooting Grads on the city), analogue - Abkhazia (long disobedience to Tbilisi).
              And the initiative will be "promoted" by EP). Cynically, perhaps, but so real.


              10 years is too long.
              404 will not last so long in the form in which it exists now and with those trends that have only accelerated in recent times, the total mobilization of the population in the Armed Forces of all without exception, including women, a further ban on the Russian language, cleansing among the opposition, militarization and creeping occupation by NATO countries on an individual basis etc.

              If earlier they said that gas transit was planned after 2024, then I'm afraid that 404 will start stealing gas, you will have to terminate the contract and close the valve dry. Not through our fault, but due to gross failure to fulfill the main contractual obligations 404.
              1. Kesha1980
                Kesha1980 19 January 2022 21: 54
                0
                Too profitable for the West is "such a modern Ukraine" /404. This mess is for a long time - loans are allocated and so with violations of the regulations and mine-necessary rules. I think they will be supported financially and military-materially/technically (at minimum wages). And periodically Maidanchiki (one Russophobe instead of another).
                They will not be allowed to steal gas - we have the right to turn off the valve for the duration of the investigation (a couple of years) and ... SP2 will have to be launched).
                Now Ukraine/404 is at an impasse - there is no war, no treasury. Now it is interesting to look at the possible quirks. Winter will pass (increased demand for gas), spring / summer / autumn will come (increased demand for petroleum products).
                It's interesting to look at "debit/credit".
                I'm waiting for "maydanchiki".
          2. yuriy55
            yuriy55 19 January 2022 21: 31
            +2
            Let's focus on the fact that after the LDNR referendum in May 2014, nothing prevented Russia from recognizing the results of the referendum and ratifying the entry of the republics into Russia by law ...
            When this did not happen (why, pray tell? what was not observed there?), some incomprehensible gestures and the signing of some agreements began ... Did you read them?
            So, these agreements are not observed by Ukraine. Moreover, the OSCE closes its eyes not only to the violation of the ceasefire, but also to the participation of some Ukrainian armed nationalists in this ... What should Russia do in this case?
            What decision was made by the composition of the State Duma for Donbass? What requirements were presented to the OSCE. What economic sanctions were imposed on Ukraine by Russia?
            This EP is engaged in populism, demonstrating attempts, which in fact are empty air shaking. This is ordinary populism, when citizens of Russia (Russian passports were issued there) are subjected to shelling (they live in a state of war). What was this bureaucratic manipulation for?
            Eight countries have officially recognized Crimea for almost eight years... And it is neither hot nor cold for it. Ukraine went “foot to foot”, and not a single shell, not a single bullet flew over the territory of Crimea ... Yes, hell would they admit ... What are the Russian people of Donbass to blame for this fate for their choice towards Russia ?
            ==========
            Remember how an independent Kosovo appeared...
            How much more time does EP need to make non-populist proposals and make a non-populist decision? Or are these Minsk agreements a panacea? Who ties Russia to them if they are not respected. Why hasn't Ukraine frozen yet without Russian gas? Who maintains the fire and hope for something in this Nazi gang at the head of the state?
            Or will we silently contemplate this Bandera mug posted on a banner, against which even nature took up arms?
            1. Pandiurin
              Pandiurin 19 January 2022 22: 30
              -1
              Quote: yuriy55

              Let's focus on the fact that after the LDNR referendum in May 2014, nothing prevented Russia from recognizing the results of the referendum and ratifying the entry of the republics into Russia by law ...


              You apparently think only about the LDNR, but it would probably be better for them. You sort of leave Ukraine out of the brackets, as if it doesn't exist.
              It is difficult for me to say how exactly the events in Ukraine would develop, in fact, monstrous processes have taken place and are taking place there.
              Could it be worse, easily.
              The capture of the LDNR could increase anti-Russian sentiment and the fact that Ukraine took 8 years to promote the anti-Russia project would take 4 and continue further than now.

              The state has the resources to defend its interests, in order to defend its interests everywhere in all areas, Russia did not have enough of them. Even our society inside Russia is fragmented, the situation is gradually improving compared to the 90s, but there is still such a thing.

              We have "citizens" of the country who believe that Crimea should be given away. Regarding the recognition of the LDNR in 2014, I wonder what were the opinions, do you have the results of any opinion poll?
              1. yuriy55
                yuriy55 20 January 2022 05: 37
                +1
                Quote: Pandiurin
                The state has the resources to defend its interests, in order to defend its interests everywhere in all areas, Russia did not have enough of them.

                But it was not necessary to defend it everywhere ... It was not necessary to conclude long-term contracts for gas transit with Ukraine - you see, in December 2019, SP-2 started working ...
                1. Barge_watchman
                  Barge_watchman 20 January 2022 16: 15
                  -1
                  But it was not necessary to defend it everywhere ... It was not necessary to conclude long-term contracts for gas transit with Ukraine - you see, in December 2019, SP-2 started working ..

                  It was signed because it did not work ... do not confuse cause with effect ..
        2. alexey sidykin
          alexey sidykin 21 January 2022 16: 43
          +1
          Quote: yuriy55
          Quote: Pandiurin
          The Communist Party of the Russian Federation contributes a lot of things, something may be necessary, but I guess the goal ...

          What the Communist Party contributed should have been done in 2014 (don't you know that there was a referendum in the LDNR in May 2014?), And not chewing snot in the presence of a majority from the EP in the State Duma.
          There came a group of new deputies who set themselves one task - to be useful to their people. In any case, this is what deputy A.E. Glazkova does.
          ==========
          Do it yourself, at least something, and then speak. Fedyaev P.M. was elected from Kuzbass for two terms in a row (now the third). (the son of the same Fedyaev, who had an accident at the Listvyazhnaya mine) We have never seen him ... AT ALL!!!


          Quote: Pandiurin
          Most likely, their clumsy participation in this matter will not create any serious problems.

          Your participation will benefit the inhabitants of the LDNR ... Your message will make them feel better ...

          There was a referendum, but only about independence, there was no talk of accession.
  4. Emergency
    Emergency 19 January 2022 19: 07
    -2
    Has the ice broken? Give it to God.
    1. volodimer
      volodimer 19 January 2022 21: 18
      +3
      I am afraid it is not. I am inclined to the opinion of those who believe that this point of view should have been voiced. But I do not agree with those who believe that the Communist Party has decided to simply "trample". Why exactly the Communist Party was given the "honor" to voice this initiative: Because if it is from the EP, which is the "party of power", then this is "serious", from the Liberal Democratic Party it's just a circus, the CP is nobody. But the Communist Party just right. It seems like this: "the party that expresses the opinion of a significant part of the people" expressed itself as follows. But you can always move out, saying that these are the "phantom pains" of the communists about the former USSR, and the "real people", who, of course, by their majority for EP, do not think so.
      Let's see what happens.
  5. Alf
    Alf 19 January 2022 19: 13
    0
    A group of deputies from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, headed by faction leader Gennady Zyuganov, prepared and submitted to the State Duma a draft resolution of an appeal to Vladimir Putin

    The Kremlin has not yet seen a draft appeal to Putin. This was stated by the press secretary of the President Dmitry Peskov.

    Maybe Peskov should have high-speed Internet in his office? Apparently, the tsar-father has not yet decided what to do (Burkhalter's visit was remembered), so Big Mustache does not know which way to turn ...
    1. volodimer
      volodimer 19 January 2022 21: 27
      -2
      He sometimes carries such a "blizzard" that I watch on TV and think: what is he talking about there? Who entrusted it to him?
      ©
      Big Mustache has recently directly become a generator of snowstorms, if he were silent more, he would bring benefits.
      1. Alf
        Alf 19 January 2022 21: 34
        -2
        Quote: volodimer
        Big Mustache has recently directly become a generator of snowstorms, if he were silent more, he would bring benefits.

        Yes, the owner would not dishonor. Although ... much more ...
  6. _simply
    _simply 19 January 2022 19: 13
    +4
    It's up to the Supreme... In general, de facto, they are an integral part of Russia. But, this one is a lyric. The main thing is geopolitical importance.
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 19 January 2022 19: 21
      +2
      It's up to the Supreme...

      The real Supreme - we have only one. And this is Comrade Stalin.
      1. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis 19 January 2022 19: 53
        -6
        Quote: paul3390
        It's up to the Supreme...

        The real Supreme - we have only one. And this is Comrade Stalin.

        He, this comrade of yours, has, as it were, been in the next world for a long time. And only God knows where he is. Either he commands devils in hell, or archangels in heaven ....
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 19 January 2022 19: 57
          +4
          And give you freedom - you and Yeltsin, for example, write down in the Supreme ..
          1. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 19 January 2022 20: 23
            -7
            Quote: paul3390
            And give you freedom - you and Yeltsin, for example, write down in the Supreme ..

            Already recorded in hell. next to your beloved companion. And they'll figure it out. In a vat of boiling resin. or bare ass on the asphalt. .... "But there is also God's judgment, confidants of debauchery!
            There is a terrible trial: he is waiting;
            It is not accessible to the ringing of gold,
            And thoughts and deeds he knows in advance "
      2. _simply
        _simply 19 January 2022 21: 05
        +2
        Yes, what is there ... Pyotr Alekseich.
    2. raw174
      raw174 19 January 2022 20: 06
      +2
      Quote: _simply
      In general, de facto, they are an integral part of Russia.

      Ukraine, you mean? Both de jure and de facto, the LDNR are part of Ukraine, no one has recognized them yet. And they will become a de facto part of Russia when the authorities directly subordinate to Moscow work there, most likely never ...
      1. suhorukofal
        suhorukofal 19 January 2022 20: 33
        0
        Quote: raw174
        Both de jure and de facto, the LDNR are part of Ukraine, no one has recognized them yet. And they will become a de facto part of Russia when the authorities directly subordinate to Moscow work there, most likely never ...

        This is called de jure. That's when Ukrainian laws will operate on the territory of the LDNR, when they exist in a single legal and economic field, then they will belong to Ukraine. In the meantime, the process of integration into the Russian Federation is taking place - access of local enterprises to the Russian market, the issuance of passports, financial support for enterprises and the population. Ukraine is far from this, and, accordingly, to belonging to Ukraine.
  7. Sergey39
    Sergey39 19 January 2022 19: 15
    +3
    Recognition of the LDNR would be a good response to the negative US response to Russia's proposals for security guarantees.
  8. Cat Alexandrovich
    Cat Alexandrovich 19 January 2022 19: 17
    0
    "United Russia" will not support this, which means it WILL NOT PASS... Alas...
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 19 January 2022 19: 41
      -1
      Quote: Cat Alexandrovich
      "United Russia" will not support this, which means it WILL NOT PASS... Alas...

      So the people will see that they are sitting there for “who” and what they are voting for. At least so...
      1. Alf
        Alf 20 January 2022 18: 40
        +1
        Quote: yuriy55
        Quote: Cat Alexandrovich
        "United Russia" will not support this, which means it WILL NOT PASS... Alas...

        So the people will see that they are sitting there for “who” and what they are voting for. At least so...

        And so that the people do not see and do not see clearly, there are Skobeevs, Solovyovs, Peskovs, Zakharovs and other lackeys.
        1. alexey sidykin
          alexey sidykin 21 January 2022 16: 52
          -1
          Quote: Alf
          Quote: yuriy55
          Quote: Cat Alexandrovich
          "United Russia" will not support this, which means it WILL NOT PASS... Alas...

          So the people will see that they are sitting there for “who” and what they are voting for. At least so...

          And so that the people do not see and do not see clearly, there are Skobeevs, Solovyovs, Peskovs, Zakharovs and other lackeys.

          So you are for the latifundists of swindlers and crooks ... I remember Levchenko never asked for forgiveness from the inhabitants of Tulun ... and Bondarenko’s statements that Crimea should be returned or Rashkin’s demands to release the swindler Navalny and the latifundist Grudinin somehow do not fit with the communist idea The USSR would have just put a bullet in the back of their head after a show trial.
          1. Alf
            Alf 21 January 2022 18: 17
            -1
            Quote: Alexey Sedykin
            So you are for landowners

            Yes, I am for the latifundist Grudinin and against the democrat Putin.
            Quote: Alexey Sedykin
            crook Navalny

            For some reason, none of those in power sued Navalny for lies and slander, even Zolotov promised to challenge Navalny to a duel for the story of double or triple overpricing when buying everything for the National Guard. Probably, he is still deciding what the duel will be - with swords or pistols ...
            Quote: Alexey Sedykin
            somehow do not fit with the communist idea

            WITH WHAT idea? More precisely, WHAT USSR, before the 53rd year or after?
            1. alexey sidykin
              alexey sidykin 22 January 2022 11: 00
              +1
              Quote: Alf
              Quote: Alexey Sedykin
              So you are for landowners

              Yes, I am for the latifundist Grudinin and against the democrat Putin.
              Quote: Alexey Sedykin
              crook Navalny

              For some reason, none of those in power sued Navalny for lies and slander, even Zolotov promised to challenge Navalny to a duel for the story of double or triple overpricing when buying everything for the National Guard. Probably, he is still deciding what the duel will be - with swords or pistols ...
              Quote: Alexey Sedykin
              somehow do not fit with the communist idea

              WITH WHAT idea? More precisely, WHAT USSR, before the 53rd year or after?

              And what, under communism, should there be planters and bankers? This is when there were such in the USSR? Choate I don’t remember this ... you already decide who you are, capitalists or communists.
              1. Alf
                Alf 22 January 2022 17: 58
                0
                Quote: Alexey Sedykin
                And what, under communism, should there be planters and bankers?

                Were there bankers in the USSR? Eck is flattering you...
                And who's talking about the planters? Ask who owns the shares of the state farm. Lenin? You will be surprised, all the shareholders are there.
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                  1. alexey sidykin
                    alexey sidykin 22 January 2022 19: 00
                    +1
                    Quote: Alf
                    Quote: Alexey Sedykin
                    And what, under communism, should there be planters and bankers?

                    Were there bankers in the USSR? Eck is flattering you...
                    And who's talking about the planters? Ask who owns the shares of the state farm. Lenin? You will be surprised, all the shareholders are there.

                    Oh, I can’t, I made me laugh ... those who worked at the VAZ from the very beginning also have shares ...
  9. viktortarianik
    viktortarianik 19 January 2022 19: 18
    +2
    But Peskov said that he knew nothing about this project. And the process of international recognition will not start (see Abkhazia and North Ossetia).
    1. Pandiurin
      Pandiurin 19 January 2022 20: 35
      +2
      Quote: viktortarianik
      But Peskov said that he knew nothing about this project. And the process of international recognition will not start (see Abkhazia and North Ossetia).


      And I’m looking at Lukashenka, he has become so fervent)

      Suddenly he says that Kiev does not comply with the Minsk agreements and recognizes the LDNR?
  10. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 19 January 2022 19: 25
    -3
    The State Duma submitted a draft appeal to Putin on the recognition of the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics

    It all comes down to this yes
    1. Alexander 3
      Alexander 3 19 January 2022 19: 56
      -6
      After recognition, any shelling by the Banderlogs is considered an attempt on Russia, with the corresponding conclusions. That is, it will be necessary to go to Kiev and sort it out there.
  11. Podvodnik
    Podvodnik 19 January 2022 19: 30
    +3
    If recognized, then only within the boundaries of the existing regions, and not along the line of demarcation. Well, ask someone to "out".
    (there will be a howl!)
    1. Sands Careers General
      Sands Careers General 19 January 2022 19: 57
      +1
      That's right, the boundaries are marked))
  12. AAK
    AAK 19 January 2022 19: 31
    +2
    Does not recognize .... "... for Athos - too little, but for the Comte de La Fere too little ..."
  13. TovSaaakhov
    TovSaaakhov 19 January 2022 19: 38
    -12
    I hope the authorities are smart enough to carefully put this ridiculous initiative (as well as everything that comes from the Communist Party) on the brakes - the Donbass adventure has already cost Russia too much.
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 19 January 2022 23: 32
      -3
      Quote: TovSaaakhov
      adventure cost too much

      A gamble is when a muddy user brings a blizzard on serious cabbage soup, and even tries to give advice "upstairs". yes
      And the Communist Party ... Yes, let them stay "on the edge of a steel wedge", because you like it or not, but you need to keep the style. Not all the same, Zhirinovsky conduct reconnaissance in battle. laughing
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    2. alexey sidykin
      alexey sidykin 21 January 2022 16: 53
      -1
      Quote: TovSaaakhov
      I hope the authorities are smart enough to carefully put this ridiculous initiative (as well as everything that comes from the Communist Party) on the brakes - the Donbass adventure has already cost Russia too much.

      But they told them not to drive the horses, but no, they wanted everything at once, and we answer ...
  14. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 19 January 2022 19: 38
    0
    The idea is good, logical, but I would say belated. The LDNR has already pretty much taken a sip of grief and poverty, the children have already gone to school, who in their lives have seen nothing but this. We will have to invest heavily in their infrastructure, provide them with salaries, pensions, benefits - pour decent money into the region ..
    But this is not such a big problem - compared to the fact that the border between the LDNR and Ukraine, it is, to put it mildly, not ideal. Not only does it artificially divide the region, it also takes place in places that are terrifying in terms of demarcation.
    If we accept the republics, this issue will not go anywhere - the question of the need to move these borders will be ..only it will no longer be moving the border between Ukraine and the LDNR, but military operations between the Russian Federation and Ukraine.

    So that's a problem, of course.
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 19 January 2022 20: 32
      +1
      So nobody admits anything.
    2. Kesha1980
      Kesha1980 19 January 2022 20: 57
      +1
      .provide them with salaries, pensions, benefits

      Any citizen Russia living in the LDNR receives Russian pensions and benefits. In 2021, about 700 foreigners received Russian passports. Most - LDNR. How can we help. If there are about 000% Russians in the LDNR, then ... new passages open up. Hope so. So far, the Armed Forces of Ukraine periodically kill and kidnap citizens of the Russian Federation. It is a fact. A very unfortunate fact. So they get used to it.
      1. Kronos
        Kronos 19 January 2022 21: 17
        0
        Yes, even if 80% is, what will prevent them from further kidnapping and killing?
        1. Kesha1980
          Kesha1980 19 January 2022 21: 39
          -3
          They are nothing. I hope Putin will not be allowed to remain inactive. I remember Gerashenko spoke/warned about "readiness and inevitability ...." a couple of months ago. I then wrote - in vain, because it will only come out as a prankster. The next day, an "aliexpress" drone flew in, crashed, and 2 sappers of the NM DPR were killed during the clearance of IEDs. Why did you speak? Just corrected. And nothing. Until the Supreme gets tired of wiping himself, it will be so. It's just that if there are periodically victims of citizens of the Russian Federation and the inaction of the authorities of the Russian Federation, the inhabitants (others will be silent) should have questions to these authorities.
          Then move.
          1. Knell wardenheart
            Knell wardenheart 19 January 2022 21: 56
            +1
            I agree, this is unpleasant and unfair (as well as the fact that money is so freely paid out of the funds accumulated by the inhabitants of the Russian Federation, by the way). But this is the case when an unambiguous opinion is not so unambiguous, unfortunately. I want to accept, I really feel sorry for people - I have acquaintances living there, it's really 7 years of hardcore .. But with acceptance, some problems are solved - others begin. Because the question is there, as a whole, dangles its feet in the air. Even if we assume that over the past 7 years, the vast majority of pro-Russian citizens have remained in the LDNR, there is no such confidence in the rest of the Luhansk-Donetsk (former) region. The accession of the LDNR will literally put before us the question of the future absorption of these territories - in which the Armed Forces of Ukraine and people with not such unanimous support of the Russian Federation. If this issue is not closed and the border is left in the "as is" position, then this will be a hole more abruptly than the demarcation of Berlin. And different comrades will walk through this hole, bargain weapons, etc.
            1. Kesha1980
              Kesha1980 19 January 2022 22: 13
              0
              within actual limits. I guess that there (LDNR) a lot of things are going on - smuggling is trifles. There are a lot of weapons, etc. Yes, and the citizens who grew up there, sorry, they have different values ​​and views. For some, even Russia is not very pleasant for "a happy childhood, because they expected something else."
              Pay attention - South Ossetia, Abkhazia, LDNR (in the future independent format) - form a "belt", "layer" between Russia and the West. This path was chosen by the leadership of the Russian Federation.
              It has its own logic, I think it will.
    3. ada
      ada 20 January 2022 12: 45
      +1
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      Good idea, logical...
      But this is not such a big problem - compared to the fact that the border ...
      .
      If we accept the republics, this issue will not go anywhere - the question of the need to move these borders will be ..only it will no longer be moving the border between Ukraine and the LDNR, but military operations between the Russian Federation and Ukraine.

      So that's a problem, of course.


      The partners, without waiting for the NAT gathering in the capital city of Madrid, will applaud while standing, they will drink and dance no worse than "Boris and Comrades", and the unbelievers will believe - this is a miracle, but their subordinates will not have to walk, they will live in headquarters and sleep snatches on the composed chairs and tables, refining the knowledge base to the operational depth of the European part of our country. No, gifts are not given out in this form now, partners of partners themselves are already afraid of their generosity.
      There is no Ukraine there - this is their foothold, grown and cherished for decades, last desired of the critically important ones in the theater of operations with an open western border, the final one, which determines the completion of a whole stage of a long-term strategy, no matter who inhabits it, but just "who needs it" is inhabited. The territory of the Republic of Belarus does not count, since the Soviet era everything has been planned and re-planned militarily - not an option, so they tried it just in case. The next stage is the organization of an armed confrontation (which is observed) in order to maximize the military-political and economic factors of influence on us and the world community, primarily Europe, which should have been documented for the participants (so as not to wag along the road) at the upcoming summit Everyone loves a schedule. And here - here you have "red lines" drawn, the schedule to hell. Unexpected, misunderstood, what is it and how to understand? They try to move their figures, including inside us. Ours apparently decided to speed up the events, but the plan is obviously different, different from the goals of recognizing the republics, the leaders of NATA are not able to move at the same speed at the moment - not taking the chance is disastrous. Money no longer counts here, the main thing is to prevent an avalanche of initiated events for the collapse of statehood in the adjacent regions and within the country, to cut off the planned and secured program for the deployment of NATO forces and means, regardless of possible changes in the existing financial and economic systems. What will happen is impossible to predict, we are not an alliance.
      It's a pity for the people there.
  15. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 19 January 2022 19: 40
    -1
    in what limits?!!!!! repeat
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 19 January 2022 19: 53
      +2
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      in what limits?!!!!!

      At least to restore the Donetsk-Krivoy Rog Republic, founded by Comrade. Artem, and so generously donated to Ukraine by grandfather Lenin
  16. tatra
    tatra 19 January 2022 19: 41
    +7
    If Putin wanted to, then in 8 years he would have recognized it long ago.
  17. MstislavHrabr
    MstislavHrabr 19 January 2022 19: 42
    +7
    Republics must be recognized within their (regional) borders!
  18. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 19 January 2022 19: 50
    -3
    The Communist Party is trying to take over the function of the Russian Foreign Ministry?
    1. Pandiurin
      Pandiurin 19 January 2022 20: 38
      +5
      Quote: tralflot1832
      The Communist Party is trying to take over the function of the Russian Foreign Ministry?


      Most likely this is the Russian Security Council.
      This is definitely not the level of the Foreign Ministry, they do not solve such issues, they only voice decisions.
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 19 January 2022 22: 07
        +4
        Quote: Pandiurin
        Most likely this is the Russian Security Council.

        Yes, in principle it can yes in accordance with paragraph 5 "Tasks of the Security Council"formation of the main directions of state foreign and military policy; ""
  19. Diverter
    Diverter 19 January 2022 19: 53
    -4
    this should not be done for the time being. as much as we don't want to.
    from the legal side, now 404 cannot join Natu.
    and if we "take" the LDNR, then it will not have any obstacles to entry.
    You need to wait a bit / work and then take everything.
    1. demo
      demo 19 January 2022 20: 48
      +1
      The entry of a country "into NATO" (including 404) implies the absence of territorial claims against it and from it.
      At least that was the case yesterday.
      The recognition by Russia of the DPR and LPR does not remove from the agenda of Ukraine the requirements for the return of territories under the jurisdiction of Kiev.
      Recognizing the independence of these territories, the authorities in Kiev will sign their own death warrant.
      First, Westerners!
      They will storm the presidential administration and beat the latter.
      Second.
      A precedent is being set.
      And perhaps another territory will begin a similar process.
      And what? Donetsk and Luhansk can, but we can't.
      in any country, such a development of the situation is the first step towards the collapse of the country.
      One country managed to avoid such a scenario - Switzerland.
      But this is a separate issue.
      1. Diverter
        Diverter 19 January 2022 21: 08
        0
        I meant this, but I meant that immediately after recognition there would be inclusion in the Russian Federation
      2. Avior
        Avior 19 January 2022 21: 27
        +1
        implies the absence of territorial claims to her and her.
        At least that's how it was yesterday.

        There is no such thing.
        When joining NATO, the joining country makes a statement that it has no territorial claims against anyone. But even this is not written in the NATO charter.
        1. demo
          demo 20 January 2022 06: 17
          0
          I have not read the NATO Charter, but I condemn it! am
          The same eggs, only in profile.
          The presence of a clause in the documents or the requirement for a country to make a legally binding statement is essentially the same thing.
      3. Terenin
        Terenin 19 January 2022 22: 13
        +8
        Quote: demo
        One country managed to avoid such a scenario - Switzerland.

        Switzerland gained independence thanks to the Russian commander Alexander Suvorov, who won it back from France 217 years ago.
        By the way, the LIST of "CRIMES" WHICH RUSSIANS AND RUSSIA COMMITTED AGAINST THE SO-CALLED CIVILIZED WORLD:
        1) 1802 and 1918. - treacherously awarded sovereignty to Finland.
        2) 1918g. - mean and artfully presented statehood to Latvians and Estonians, which they never had.
        We continue the list without numbering, because it is open. Surely someone will remember a couple of "crimes." By the way, the Finnish blogger Veikko Korhonen from Oulu started this fun on Facebook.
        So:
        - Lithuania restored statehood in 1918 also thanks to Russia.
        - Poland restored statehood with the help of Russia twice, in 1918 and 1944.
        - Romania was born as a result of the Russian-Turkish wars, and became sovereign by the will of Russia in the 1877-1878.
        - Moldova as a state was born inside the USSR.
        - Bulgaria as a state was born as a result of the victory of Russian weapons in the Russian-Turkish war of 1877-1878. In gratitude, the Bulgarians participated in anti-Russian coalitions in two world wars. Now Bulgaria is a member of NATO, and US bases are located on its territory. After the 1945 year, there was not a single Russian soldier on its territory ...
        - Azerbaijan as a state took shape for the first time only as part of the USSR.
        - Armenia is physically preserved and revived as a state within the Russian Empire and the USSR.
        - Georgia was physically preserved and revived as a state within the Russian Empire and the USSR.
        - Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan never had a statehood and received it only as part of the USSR.
        - Belarus and Ukraine also gained statehood for the first time as a result of the Great October Revolution. And in 1991 got complete independence.
        - Switzerland gained independence thanks to Suvorov, who won it from France 217 years ago;
        - Russia infamously liberated Austria, Czechoslovakia and Poland from the Third Reich in 1945;
        - Thanks to the position of Catherine II, Russia in 1780 supported the North American United States in the war, which became the reason for the defeat of England and gaining US independence;
        - Twice in the last 2 centuries, Russia granted independence to most European countries, grinding the armies of the dictators Napoleon and Hitler;
        - The position of Stalin in the negotiations with the United States and Britain gave Germany the opportunity to maintain statehood after the defeat in the Second World War;
        - Gorbachev did everything in his time to destroy the Berlin Wall and unite Germany in 1990;
        - Without the help of the USSR, Egypt would not have been able to withstand and consolidate its independence in the war with Israel, Britain, France in the 1956-57. In 1967, the intervention of the USSR stopped the war of Israel against Egypt, which actually saved the Arabs from defeat in two wars in 1967-74;
        - Angola won its independence in 1975 only thanks to the USSR;
        - Most of the colonies in Western Europe gained their independence thanks to the world movement of decolonization after the Second World War, in which the USSR played the main role.
        But one can also take into account the role of Russia-USSR in the birth and formation of such states as the PRC, Vietnam, the DPRK, and India. By the way, Greece has also beaten off the Turks from Russia, it was back in the distant 1821 year. And Algeria, Cuba, Mozambique, etc ...
        Well, Russians, aren't you ashamed?
        1. demo
          demo 20 January 2022 06: 23
          +1
          Either I did not quite clearly state my thoughts, or you did not quite correctly interpret them.
          I meant that since the beginning of the formation of this mountainous state, consisting of 20 cantons (consider separate subjects) and 6 semi-cantons (something like autonomous republics within the Russian Federation), centrifugal tendencies leading to the destruction of the country have not prevailed in the country.
          4 languages, 4 cultures, 4 points of view in one team, even from 4 people - a very difficult association to form. And if there are 8 million such people in total?
          So the Swiss do not hold wisdom and mind.
          And the fact that the world Alexander Vasilyevich contributed to the fact that Switzerland became independent, so there is nothing to talk about.
          1. ada
            ada 20 January 2022 13: 07
            +1
            Quote: demo
            Either I did not quite clearly state my thoughts, or you did not quite correctly interpret them.
            I meant that since the beginning of the formation of this mountainous state, consisting of 20 cantons (consider separate subjects) and 6 semi-cantons (something like autonomous republics within the Russian Federation), centrifugal tendencies leading to the destruction of the country have not prevailed in the country.
            4 languages, 4 cultures, 4 points of view in one team, even from 4 people - a very difficult association to form. And if there are 8 million such people in total?
            So the Swiss do not hold wisdom and mind.
            And the fact that the world Alexander Vasilyevich contributed to the fact that Switzerland became independent, so there is nothing to talk about.


            I'm sorry to intrude, but it's very interesting. It seems to me that there are historically a lot of "interested parties" in their current state, and even a fart not on schedule can be assessed as a threat to their stability and capabilities. I think this is the main determining factor.
            1. demo
              demo 20 January 2022 16: 44
              +1
              You correctly drew my attention.
              That's about how not to shake the situation from within, with the help (or with the help) of their own citizens, and intra-communal (if I may say so) solidarity was created. And it was formed not one century.
              And it is people who are the main cementing material for the country.
              1. ada
                ada 20 January 2022 22: 25
                +1
                Quote: demo
                You correctly drew my attention.
                That's about how not to shake the situation from within, with the help (or with the help) of their own citizens, and intra-communal (if I may say so) solidarity was created. And it was formed not one century.
                And it is people who are the main cementing material for the country.

                [/ I]
                O! It is certain. But, I meant external forces playing on this, the most stable platform. What is their participation in the process in your opinion? If it doesn't make it difficult. Very interesting.
                1. demo
                  demo 20 January 2022 22: 37
                  +2
                  To my regret, I am not a specialist in the history of the emergence, formation and crystallization (so to speak) of the state formation - the Swiss Confederation.
                  I am more concerned and interested in what can be described as the psychology of people. What drives them. What are the motivations. What motivates them. Etc.
                  Sorry if it didn't meet your expectations.
                  Sincerely.
                  1. ada
                    ada 20 January 2022 23: 06
                    +1
                    Oh no, no! Just your emphasis on "people" is very remarkable and interesting. And this is not a departure from the topic, I would say - one of the keys to the concept of what is being discussed. Many thanks.
          2. Terenin
            Terenin 21 January 2022 08: 44
            +3
            Quote: demo
            Or maybe I didn't express my thoughts clearly.

            That's right, Van. hi This is me, by the way.
      4. Pandiurin
        Pandiurin 19 January 2022 22: 53
        +2
        Quote: demo
        The entry of a country "into NATO" (including 404) implies the absence of territorial claims against it and from it.
        At least that was the case yesterday.
        The recognition by Russia of the DPR and LPR does not remove from the agenda of Ukraine the requirements for the return of territories under the jurisdiction of Kiev.
        Recognizing the independence of these territories, the authorities in Kiev will sign their own death warrant.
        First, Westerners!
        They will storm the presidential administration and beat the latter.
        Second.
        A precedent is being set.
        And perhaps another territory will begin a similar process.
        And what? Donetsk and Luhansk can, but we can't.
        in any country, such a development of the situation is the first step towards the collapse of the country.
        One country managed to avoid such a scenario - Switzerland.
        But this is a separate issue.


        The precedent has already been set, Yugoslavia and Kosovo.
        Kosovo, in particular, is a blatant violation of all norms; according to it, there was some kind of UN decision on a special status and the impossibility of recognition.
        The West violated everything and created a precedent. Or are you talking about what the West is doing "this is different" and is not considered, but what Russia is doing is a violation of international law?

        404 neither in NATO nor in the EU, no one will take. These are markings in front of the nose, for internal consumption in 404.

        There are no legal restrictions for Georgia and Ukraine to join NATO, if something is easily bypassed. They can be accepted into NATO in a limited area, security guarantees can also be given with restrictions.
        But neither Georgia nor Ukraine will be taken into NATO. They are needed only as territories, for the deployment of infrastructure, for the use of airspace. What is being done.

        The recognition of the LDNR in 2014 had many disadvantages, including large political and economic costs for Russia. Perhaps we could not pull then.
        Now there is a powerful diplomatic battle with the West on "security guarantees", Ukraine and the LDNR are only a small part of all issues, although important.

        So we have to wait for how it all ends in terms of negotiations, then an unexpected movement will probably take place.
        1. demo
          demo 20 January 2022 06: 27
          0
          The West broke everything and created a precedent. Or are you talking about what the West is doing "this is different" and is not considered, but what Russia is doing is a violation of international law?
          The shining city on the hill, blinded by its own permissiveness, listens with surprise to the pitiful groans resounding from its foot and exclaims: Smerdy! Remember! What is allowed to Zeus is not allowed to the bull! Shut up and do not climb where you are not supposed to climb.
      5. Barge_watchman
        Barge_watchman 20 January 2022 17: 02
        -1
        How well do you know the NATO charter? laughing
    2. Kesha1980
      Kesha1980 19 January 2022 21: 03
      -4
      The obstacle is the lack of ter. disputes. If Ukraine recognizes such states and concludes an agreement on the state border, only then there are no obstacles. But recognition by Russia, China, South Africa, etc. has nothing to do with the territorial disputes of Ukraine.
      1. Diverter
        Diverter 19 January 2022 21: 10
        -1
        why do you think that there are completely morons? They do have a bit of a brain, or they should.
        we recognize, and they will take it and decide that they are taking away this devastation, and we will join the EU and NATO. Could this be a development? Maybe. Therefore, it is necessary to calculate all options.
        Worth the wait and pick up everything but the 4 western areas.
        1. Kesha1980
          Kesha1980 19 January 2022 22: 00
          -4
          .and they will take it and decide that they are taking away this devastation, and we will join the EU and NATO.

          And the national battalions will go to cry in the closets? Not an option. You yourself understand this.
  20. Alsur
    Alsur 19 January 2022 19: 56
    0
    Quote: Orel
    Quote: Thrifty
    Again, earning yourself plitic points, again playing for the public !!!


    There are no independent parties in the State Duma. 99 percent of laws and proposals are written in the administration of the President of the Russian Federation. Duma is a "cardboard". They were told that NATO needed to believe in the seriousness of our intentions even more. "Bluff" is good when they believe in it, and if not a bluff, then even more so, someone should turn to the king. Zyuganov, the presidential administration kicked)))

    The Communist Party of the Russian Federation is not the party through which important government decisions are decided, these are engaged in self-promotion.
  21. opuonmed
    opuonmed 19 January 2022 19: 56
    -4
    why do we need a part) if you can take the whole pie
    1. TovSaaakhov
      TovSaaakhov 19 January 2022 20: 14
      -4
      Hardly possible.
    2. your1970
      your1970 21 January 2022 12: 20
      0
      Quote: opuonmed
      why do we need a part) if you can take the whole pie

      And we will pull economically?
  22. Warm Tube
    Warm Tube 19 January 2022 20: 01
    +3
    that is, the Russian Federation will not start a war with Kiev, will it provide assistance to the allies?
  23. wandlitz
    wandlitz 19 January 2022 20: 11
    +1
    It is high time....
  24. svoit
    svoit 19 January 2022 20: 11
    -2
    The very posing of the question will force Ukraine to start implementing the Minsk agreements, at least some of its points
    1. Barge_watchman
      Barge_watchman 20 January 2022 17: 04
      -2
      Such a statement of the question means the Kremlin's withdrawal from Minsk-2 ...
  25. demo
    demo 19 January 2022 20: 40
    +2
    This ruling will not pass.
    I bet you.
  26. Bullba
    Bullba 19 January 2022 21: 02
    +1
    Who will finance? These netodepas, as I see it, they have a lot of dough.
    1. Pandiurin
      Pandiurin 19 January 2022 21: 22
      -2
      Quote: Bullba
      Who will finance? These netodepas, as I see it, they have a lot of dough.

      LDNR has some kind of production, production. In fact, money from the budget goes there, there are pensioners there, they have been given the opportunity to sell products in Russia. If they pay taxes at home, sell in Russia, then this is financing.
      1. your1970
        your1970 21 January 2022 12: 22
        0
        Quote: Pandiurin
        Quote: Bullba
        Who will finance? These netodepas, as I see it, they have a lot of dough.

        LDNR has some kind of production, production. In fact, money from the budget goes there, there are pensioners there, they have been given the opportunity to sell products in Russia. If they pay taxes at home, sell in Russia, then this is financing.

        They still pay part of the taxes to Kiev ....
  27. Troll
    Troll 19 January 2022 21: 10
    +1
    It is not necessary to recognize them separately, it is not necessary. We must first unite them into one whole, and then recognize them. Fucking Surkov created two republics instead of one.
    1. Pandiurin
      Pandiurin 19 January 2022 21: 18
      +1
      Quote: Troll
      It is not necessary to recognize them separately, it is not necessary. We must first unite them into one whole, and then recognize them. Fucking Surkov created two republics instead of one.

      And what's the difference by and large, especially if they are immediately accepted into Russia?
      1. Troll
        Troll 19 January 2022 21: 34
        -2
        In the foreseeable future, they will not be accepted into Russia. Alas. And the difference? Fewer people, easier to command.
        1. Pandiurin
          Pandiurin 19 January 2022 22: 11
          +2
          Quote: Troll
          In the foreseeable future, they will not be accepted into Russia. Alas. And the difference? Fewer people, easier to command.


          How do you suppose the recognition of the LDNR (it doesn’t matter together or separately) and their long existence outside of Russia. Intense hostilities will immediately begin there, a war in full.

          Recognition of the LDNR automatically nullifies the Minsk agreements.
          It is possible to guarantee protection from the Armed Forces of Ukraine only if it is the territory of Russia, a guarantee from Kuzhegetovich. When attacking the LDNR, the Bailey incident will work, because. it will be an attack on the territory of Russia, the answer is up to a strike on Kiev.
          Otherwise (if the LDNR is independent) it is a slaughter on the territory of the LDNR and adjacent territories, the intervention of the Russian Armed Forces will have to be explained.

          Therefore, it turns out that if the LDNR leaves Ukraine and we recognize their independence, they should immediately, immediately be included in Russia. Otherwise, it will provoke hostilities with incomprehensible justification for the involvement of the Russian Armed Forces in cases of exacerbation.

          Therefore, there is no difference what the LNR + DNR or a single LDNR are.
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            1. Pandiurin
              Pandiurin 20 January 2022 21: 55
              0
              Quote from Magnar
              The Americans will immediately say, they say, how can they sign an agreement with you if you violate it the next day ...


              Well, nothing has been signed yet.

              And so they discussed the option of recognizing only the independence of the LDNR and the option of independence with inclusion in Russia, regardless of when.

              As for the initiative of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, at the moment it clearly runs counter to our official position in the negotiations and, in general, undermines it. Ryabkov says every day that "we insist on the implementation of the Minsk agreements, only the Minsk agreements can be a way to resolve ...."
              As if the recognition of the independence of the LDNR immediately nullifies "Minsk" for which we drown, as having no alternatives.

              If we decide to recognize the LDNR, then there should be a pause, with the assertion that Minsk has an alternative.
  28. Victor Dubovitsky
    Victor Dubovitsky 19 January 2022 21: 18
    -3
    These, who LONG LONG needed to be hanged, substitute the President. To recognize is to recognize not the republic, but shreds, less than a quarter of the regions of Lugansk and Donetsk. To recognize is to take the first step towards war. It is necessary to RESPOND to the challenge, bombing and destroying this evil spirits, having precisely defined threats, and not chatter. The Communist Party has consolidated with the enemies of Russia, pushing us to war. Do not recognize - become a traitor to the inhabitants of these unrecognized republics, in fact, refusing their patronage. At least in their eyes. Isn't it time for us to take on the well-being of these swindlers who call themselves communists and assign them exactly the indicated places, according to the verdicts of the court?
  29. Zakhar999
    Zakhar999 19 January 2022 21: 21
    +1
    This is not a smart move. He disavows the Minsk agreements. Those who did this, or fools - do not understand the elementary, (which I doubt), or hidden bulk - traitors. History shows that even the media highlighted such communists.
    Everything will be done right and finer.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 19 January 2022 22: 30
      -1
      Quote: Zahar999
      This is not a smart move. He disavows the Minsk agreements. Those who did this, or fools, do not understand the elementary (which I doubt), or the hidden bulks are traitors.

      That is, Zakharchenko is a bulk traitor, and therefore he was banged?
  30. Victor Dubovitsky
    Victor Dubovitsky 19 January 2022 21: 21
    -2
    Quote: svoit
    The very posing of the question will force Ukraine to start implementing the Minsk agreements, at least some of its points

    Naive. They will raise an op to the whole world, and they will call for a judge the one whom we categorically do not accept. It would be necessary for them, they have done it a long time ago. They need a scandal only because they are so kept on a skewer. Do not obey - dragged into the fire. And we are not their godfathers.
  31. Victor Dubovitsky
    Victor Dubovitsky 19 January 2022 21: 28
    -2
    Quote: tralflot1832
    The Communist Party is trying to take over the function of the Russian Foreign Ministry?

    They took on the function of the executioner for Putin. To recognize without evidence of Ukraine's aggression is to become guilty. This is exactly getting sanctions from everyone and for everything. Recognize NOT COMPLETE territories of regions? Or recognize in full? Become the aggressor? Only in response, when there are trump cards in the hands of Russia. It says just take a step. This is what must be adhered to. And this bydlotu- to answer for provocations.
    1. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 19 January 2022 22: 33
      -6
      Quote: Victor Dubovitsky
      To recognize without evidence of Ukraine's aggression is to become guilty.

      I understand that regular shelling and civilian casualties are no longer considered aggression? notice, now already citizens of Russia.
      Quote: Victor Dubovitsky
      This is exactly getting sanctions from everyone and for everything.

      aaa!! sanctions!!! belay uuuu!! sanctions!!! belay aaa!!! stop stop but we have been under sanctions since 2014, so what? and in 2008 they drove through Georgia, so what? request
      as the darkest one said, “they won’t start a war because of one sunken (British) destroyer,” and even more so because of Ukraine. request in case you suddenly missed it, everyone, both NATO and the United States, announced it at the official level. yes
  32. Victor Dubovitsky
    Victor Dubovitsky 19 January 2022 22: 48
    -3
    Quote: SanichSan
    Quote: Victor Dubovitsky
    To recognize without evidence of Ukraine's aggression is to become guilty.

    I understand that regular shelling and civilian casualties are no longer considered aggression? notice, now already citizens of Russia.
    Quote: Victor Dubovitsky
    This is exactly getting sanctions from everyone and for everything.

    aaa!! sanctions!!! belay uuuu!! sanctions!!! belay aaa!!! stop stop but we have been under sanctions since 2014, so what? and in 2008 they drove through Georgia, so what? request
    as the darkest one said, “they won’t start a war because of one sunken (British) destroyer,” and even more so because of Ukraine. request in case you suddenly missed it, everyone, both NATO and the United States, announced it at the official level. yes

    What happened in Georgia in the beginning? Coven. But under the pressure of irrefutable circumstances, the rhetoric changed, and it came to the circus with the landing of the former president. So far, Russia has no such immunity. Shelling? Sorry people. Prove this aggression of Ukraine? No. But Russian aggression will be proven. Unclear? Or are you burning with the desire to make war FOR those who are YET working in Russia? Have a couple of million already? Isn't it their business, first of all, to go and defend their homeland? Do you want justice? so who's stopping you from going and joining the ranks of the LDNR militia fighters? This will be a real help, not an incitement, sitting in a warm toilet.
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 19 January 2022 23: 31
      -1
      No, it's not a matter of civilians dying in wars.
  33. Victor Dubovitsky
    Victor Dubovitsky 20 January 2022 00: 17
    -3
    Quote: Kronos
    No, it's not a matter of civilians dying in wars.
    Who is killing civilians? Not ukrofascists?
    Is it the business of a neighboring country to take part in civil wars? And what about themselves? Civil guys after a month of the course of a young fighter become soldiers. Who is stopping them from calling on everyone fit for military service, including those who are not in Ukraine? But having citizenship? If you do not do this, then the military will disappear as a species. Or you are stigmatized as a military man, and only you are obliged, and your neighbor will bash the enemy, being in the rear, and confirm the very proverb that was born precisely in Ukraine - "My hut is on the edge, I don't know anything." I already wrote above, if you want justice, go and get it. Do not fuck sit in the toilet and read detective stories.
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 20 January 2022 01: 25
      -1
      It interferes with the fact that they will start to flee, as was the case with the Ukrainian army and conscriptions, there is nothing worse than forcibly drafted soldiers. Remember the experience of civil wars in other countries, how wearable mobilizations only worsened the situation.
  34. Victor Dubovitsky
    Victor Dubovitsky 20 January 2022 00: 24
    -4
    Quote: Pandiurin
    Quote: Troll
    In the foreseeable future, they will not be accepted into Russia. Alas. And the difference? Fewer people, easier to command.


    How do you suppose the recognition of the LDNR (it doesn’t matter together or separately) and their long existence outside of Russia. Intense hostilities will immediately begin there, a war in full.

    Recognition of the LDNR automatically nullifies the Minsk agreements.
    It is possible to guarantee protection from the Armed Forces of Ukraine only if it is the territory of Russia, a guarantee from Kuzhegetovich. When attacking the LDNR, the Bailey incident will work, because. it will be an attack on the territory of Russia, the answer is up to a strike on Kiev.
    Otherwise (if the LDNR is independent) it is a slaughter on the territory of the LDNR and adjacent territories, the intervention of the Russian Armed Forces will have to be explained.

    Therefore, it turns out that if the LDNR leaves Ukraine and we recognize their independence, they should immediately, immediately be included in Russia. Otherwise, it will provoke hostilities with incomprehensible justification for the involvement of the Russian Armed Forces in cases of exacerbation.

    Therefore, there is no difference what the LNR + DNR or a single LDNR are.

    YOU- ? Yes, we do not need the LDNR, but to destroy the fascist Ukraine. Take away the crumbs, PART of the Russian population of Ukraine, throwing the rest in the teeth of Bandera, and leave this enemy to grow at your side?
    Destroy to zero. As Putin said.
    1. DZ10
      DZ10 20 January 2022 00: 50
      -5
      How many more external enemies do you need? Everyone who wanted to have already arrived. You are not afraid that all this military hysteria will lead to events when your children are at zero. And mine. Just because Putin.
  35. Victor Dubovitsky
    Victor Dubovitsky 20 January 2022 01: 16
    -3
    Quote: DZ10
    How many more external enemies do you need? Everyone who wanted to have already arrived. You are not afraid that all this military hysteria will lead to events when your children are at zero. And mine. Just because Putin.

    If the enemy is not destroyed, and the sooner the better, he grows, arming himself and the subsequent destruction will be more bloody. Doesn't this situation remind you of the situation with Germany and 1932? The situation became more manageable when Russia stated specifically. When they tried to negotiate, the results are visible. NATO is your guest. Like? To me, no. Nazism in Ukraine was not cultivated by us. But we will destroy it.
    1. DZ10
      DZ10 20 January 2022 01: 24
      -4
      It is a matter of perception of the surrounding world. NATO doesn’t infringe on me personally and I’m sure it’s not going to conquer. But in my beloved Spain, I would once again go with pleasure
    2. Kronos
      Kronos 20 January 2022 01: 26
      -2
      Since the 90s, NATO has been standing wherever possible, so what?
    3. DZ10
      DZ10 20 January 2022 01: 32
      -3
      And the situation with Germany, sorry, now reminds me of the situation with my country (I don’t want it to happen again)
    4. Barge_watchman
      Barge_watchman 20 January 2022 17: 09
      -2
      God does not give a horn to a vigorous cow ... (c)
  36. Victor Dubovitsky
    Victor Dubovitsky 20 January 2022 01: 50
    -1
    Quote: DZ10
    And the situation with Germany, sorry, now reminds me of the situation with my country (I don’t want it to happen again)

    You see, Spain is waiting for you. And you can shit on the Motherland. Burrow into pillows and wait.... I don't know what, I'm not going to wait.
  37. Victor Dubovitsky
    Victor Dubovitsky 20 January 2022 01: 50
    -3
    Quote: Kronos
    Since the 90s, NATO has been standing wherever possible, so what?

    Are you from there? Then you are the enemy.
  38. Victor Dubovitsky
    Victor Dubovitsky 20 January 2022 01: 52
    -3
    Quote: DZ10
    It is a matter of perception of the surrounding world. NATO doesn’t infringe on me personally and I’m sure it’s not going to conquer. But in my beloved Spain, I would once again go with pleasure

    The brain does not understand that Yugoslavia, Libya, etc. not destroyed, just because they had nuclear weapons. You can reverse your thought. or is it not possible?
    1. DZ10
      DZ10 20 January 2022 13: 54
      +1
      I will answer. What are you missing? Nuclear mushroom over the heads of your loved ones? Where are you going there, what war?
      How old are you in general?
  39. aleks700
    aleks700 20 January 2022 03: 09
    -4
    It is necessary to recognize the entire Novorossiya. This time. And two are deputies from the Communist Party. Edro will never pass such a law.
  40. Citisen
    Citisen 20 January 2022 12: 17
    -4
    Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
    They won't for other reasons:
    1. Ukraine is not a NATO member, there are no obligations to protect it.
    2. There is no unity of opinion in NATO regarding Ukraine's Wishlist.
    Germany even banned the supply of weapons.

    There are already other moods in Ukraine.
    No one there will meet Russians with bread and salt.
    And you can't hold such a country by force. Yes, and no need.
    It all started in the distant zero. When, instead of projecting soft Russian power, the elderly and stupid Chernomyrdin was sent there.
    Well, then the matter was aggravated by the appointment of Zurabov, who simply made a gesheft with Poroshenko, stupidly scoring on the interests of Russia.
    Instead of intellectuals, albeit unknown to anyone, political slag was sent there.
    In no way in Russia will they understand how England could manage more than 400 million India with the help of just over 1400 intellectuals.
    Ukraine was considered at that time, for some reason, not as a strategically important direction for Russia, but as a political cesspool for politicians who came into circulation.
    Well, here's the result for you.
    I wonder who is the author of such a "multi-move"?
    1. alexey sidykin
      alexey sidykin 21 January 2022 16: 08
      +2
      Quote from Citisen
      Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
      They won't for other reasons:
      1. Ukraine is not a NATO member, there are no obligations to protect it.
      2. There is no unity of opinion in NATO regarding Ukraine's Wishlist.
      Germany even banned the supply of weapons.

      There are already other moods in Ukraine.
      No one there will meet Russians with bread and salt.
      And you can't hold such a country by force. Yes, and no need.
      It all started in the distant zero. When, instead of projecting soft Russian power, the elderly and stupid Chernomyrdin was sent there.
      Well, then the matter was aggravated by the appointment of Zurabov, who simply made a gesheft with Poroshenko, stupidly scoring on the interests of Russia.
      Instead of intellectuals, albeit unknown to anyone, political slag was sent there.
      In no way in Russia will they understand how England could manage more than 400 million India with the help of just over 1400 intellectuals.
      Ukraine was considered at that time, for some reason, not as a strategically important direction for Russia, but as a political cesspool for politicians who came into circulation.
      Well, here's the result for you.
      I wonder who is the author of such a "multi-move"?

      It all started back in the 50-60s of the last century, when, by Khrushch's decree, all banderlogs received an amnesty and the return of all rights.
  41. Barge_watchman
    Barge_watchman 20 January 2022 14: 41
    -4
    Chota rzhu.
    In many capitals, held their breath and crossed their fingers.....
    The habit of jumping on a rake is incurable.
    However, "do not take off." It's a pity.
  42. Kaufman
    Kaufman 20 January 2022 14: 42
    -4
    The Kremlin has not yet seen a draft appeal to Putin. This was stated by the press secretary of the President Dmitry Peskov.

    this is fun))

    However, things have moved on, which is good!
  43. Victor Dubovitsky
    Victor Dubovitsky 20 January 2022 17: 22
    0
    Quote: DZ10
    I will answer. What are you missing? Nuclear mushroom over the heads of your loved ones? Where are you going there, what war?
    How old are you in general?

    My loved ones, if not with a nuclear, then with an ordinary mushroom, must be killed. Back in the 70s, there were talks about Russification and independence, once the former. Deserved. It is quite possible that they participated in these torchlight processions. Although, they lived in Kiev. A sort of Bandera with two higher educations.
  44. Victor Dubovitsky
    Victor Dubovitsky 20 January 2022 18: 48
    0
    Quote: Barge_watchman
    God does not give a horn to a vigorous cow ... (c)

    And watch out, watchman. Just don't fuck. To and d and o there we have a less rigid attachment to the millstone.
  45. Sergey Nikiforov
    Sergey Nikiforov 21 January 2022 13: 23
    +1
    Finally, Peskov clarified the Kremlin's position on this issue. In short, it's like that Stop doing........ Nonsense, the situation is already tense, and let the Communist Party of the Russian Federation stop doing it........... Self-promotion
    1. alexey sidykin
      alexey sidykin 21 January 2022 16: 06
      +1
      Quote: Sergey Nikiforov
      Finally, Peskov clarified the Kremlin's position on this issue. In short, it's like that Stop doing........ Nonsense, the situation is already tense, and let the Communist Party of the Russian Federation stop doing it........... Self-promotion

      Well, after Rashkin, you have to raise the ratings ...
      1. DymOk_v_dYmke
        DymOk_v_dYmke 21 January 2022 16: 54
        -1
        Quote: Alexey Sedykin
        Well, after Rashkin, you have to raise the ratings ...

        Not after Rashkin, but after Operation RushkinGate.
        And even then only among TV heads.
        1. alexey sidykin
          alexey sidykin 21 January 2022 17: 08
          -1
          Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
          Quote: Alexey Sedykin
          Well, after Rashkin, you have to raise the ratings ...

          Not after Rashkin, but after Operation RushkinGate.
          And even then only among TV heads.

          About the same, it was Rashkin who was thrust into the hands of a gun and forced to shoot at an elk? And also the poor fellow was forcibly forced to yell freedom to Navalny and there is no vaccination?
  46. alexey sidykin
    alexey sidykin 21 January 2022 16: 05
    +1
    The Communist Party of the Russian Federation just needs to be promoted, and then we will think ...
  47. alexey sidykin
    alexey sidykin 21 January 2022 16: 27
    -1
    Quote: Nyrobsky
    Quote: dauria
    For a moose cow killed by a "communist" hunter, they are laundered.

    There is a big question here, who else was hunting for whom - a communist for a moose cow, or ederasty for a communist with live bait.
    So by the way and unexpectedly, huntsmen and cops and the inquisitive press with cameras and microphones turned out to be at the shooting site. I don’t justify this pretzel from the communists, because. he himself set himself up, allowing the "entertainers" to play a set-up, where he played the main role, knowing that ethics is completely absent in a political war. In a word, he is not to blame for the fact that he got the moose cow, but for allowing himself to be drawn into this setup.
    Quote: dauria
    Can anyone even clearly answer the question "What demon are we feeding this whole herd for?" No meat, no milk, no wool. Do not harness them to the plow and cart. And you won’t sell to anyone for a tribe.
    How, however, do you Olesha so sincerely and categorically advocate for Edro?!!! I understand that there are hidden EDs here, but no one has been so openly exposed yet. Do you think it turns out that all parties in the Duma should be abolished and Edra's monopoly should be left? So what?

    Taki Rashkin has been asking for a spanking for a long time ... there was nothing to flirt with the demos, stand up for inmates and organize rallies against vaccination.
    1. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke 21 January 2022 16: 57
      0
      Quote: Alexey Sedykin
      Taki Rashkin has been asking for a spanking for a long time ... there was nothing to flirt with the demos, stand up for inmates and organize rallies against vaccination.

      1:1 is the opinion of the vertical.
      Congratulations! hi