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Ultimatum is just the beginning

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The deadline is approaching, which was named by the Americans and Europeans for the formation of their own answers to the questions asked by President Putin. There is a gloomy lull in the information space.

The propagandists of Russia, NATO, the United States continue to automatically talk about the theses that have long bored everyone about the coming war between Russia and Ukraine, about NATO's advance to the Russian borders, about sanctions that will destroy the Russians.

The set is well-known and few surprise anyone.

Everyone understands that the issues that need to be resolved are much more serious than what analysts and political scientists are talking about.

First of all, we are talking about Russia. About whether Russia will be tomorrow.

We are not talking about the seizure of territories, the collapse of our state or the removal of President Putin from the post.

And about the place of Russia in the world. On the role of Russia in world politics.

About whether Moscow will accept the world leadership of the United States and recognize the NATO bloc as the main guarantor of global security, or will it achieve the return of NATO troops to the borders that were before 1997. Thus, it will secure its own borders from a surprise attack.

In my opinion, today Moscow and Washington have completely opposite goals.

President Putin is talking about the security of Europe, the security of Russia. Declares unwillingness to fight with Ukraine, Georgia and NATO.

President Biden does not need the security of Europe. Moreover, the security of Europe is dangerous for the US.

Today, only China and Russia interfere with the hegemony of the United States, but in the event that the confrontation between NATO and Russia is reset to zero, the EU countries, those that today are the economic locomotive of the European Union, will remember their former greatness and demand real independence from America.

Another obstacle to the hegemony of the States will appear - an independent Europe.

Moscow simply has nowhere to retreat further


Remember Lermontov's Borodino?

“We retreated silently for a long time. It was annoying, they were waiting for the battle ... "

Alas, this is how one can describe the foreign policy pursued by Russia literally until last year. We retreated, we did not respond to obvious provocations, we adapted to the "new conditions". We felt cheated. Not defeated, but deceived.

In the West (and above all in the USA) they openly celebrated the victory over the USSR. They completely ignored any of our requests, not even demands. Washington established the “American order” over the world, in which the North Atlantic Alliance began to play the role of a bully.

The Americans and Europeans no longer hesitated to openly remove the leaders and governments of other countries, strike at targets in other regions, and send their troops into foreign states.

Ultimately, the US and the EU simply stopped taking Russia's interests into account in their international policy altogether. Russia must either obediently follow orders, or be "thrown out of the ranks of civilized countries." Which is basically what happened. Europe has united, and we have remained on the outskirts. The famous "gas station country" from there, from that time.

Of course, we tried to somehow integrate into world politics.

It seems to me that the numerous interviews of the Russian President, the Minister of Foreign Affairs and other high-ranking officials are just from the series “may you understand us, finally.” Understand and accept as we are.

Yes, and "Soviet", if you like, we have preserved imperial ambitions. Russia has never been the backyard of world politics. We are too big, too rich in resources, too important to both Europe and Asia to be nothing. Moreover, this applies not only to citizens of the Russian Federation, but also to citizens of young countries from among the former Soviet republics. Everyone perfectly understood what fate the West had prepared for these states.

It seems to me that the pandemic was a sobering, turning point, if you like.

We perfectly remember many beautiful words about uniting the world in the face of global danger. We remember the calls to unite and fight together.

And what happened in reality?

The world hegemon, the beacon of democracy, shamelessly robs his alleged friends and simply takes away the vaccine intended for the Europeans. Chinese and Russian scientists create vaccines, but they are not recognized by the WHO.

Those who shouted the loudest about philanthropy almost immediately excluded all other people, except for citizens of their own countries, from the list of those living on the planet.

From here, from the end of 2020 - the beginning of 2021, in my opinion, a new era begins. The era of Russia's return to the number of leading countries.

Why is the United States forced to negotiate with Russia?


It seems to me that the fact that the United States entered into negotiations with the Russian Federation was the result of the Kremlin's skillful actions in Syria and Ukraine.

The operation in Syria showed the Americans that Russia has capabilities that are not inferior, and sometimes even surpass those of the NATO bloc.

And those “meetings” of planes in the Syrian sky, policemen on Syrian roads, SOF in battles against terrorists, which happened quite often, showed the strength of the Russian army and its absolute disrespect for the American flag.

Today, the Americans, like other Turkish NATO members, prefer not to mess with the Russians in Syria. At the same time, there is no war between Russia and NATO.

In Ukraine, it's even easier.

Do you remember President Putin's statement about the statehood of Ukraine in the event of resumption of hostilities in the Donbass?

How many times has this statement been repeated by our ministers at various meetings?

The West stubbornly pretended that the statement was just a PR of the Russian president, not supported by anything.

By the way, it's a paradox, but the American politicians are still full of people who are sure that Russia does not have the ability to inflict any damage on US territory. This is probably why there is so much militancy in the words of American congressmen and officials. Americans don't want to believe that today is 2022, not 1997.

Now, finally, the understanding has come that the Kremlin is not bluffing about Ukraine. That it is really important for Moscow that this country remains neutral.

Therefore, if the Kosovo scenario is implemented by Ukraine, the Kremlin will go for a military solution to the problem without a doubt, despite any objections and sanctions from the West.

Will the Americans accept Moscow's conditions?


In my opinion, the US will not agree to Russia's terms. The question has been put too concretely and too radically by the Kremlin.

Everything will be nicely furnished. The collective West is fighting for the independence of the countries of Europe. For the right of peoples to decide for themselves in which bloc they want to participate.

But in fact, Washington agrees to talk, but in such a way that there is an opportunity to "save face." It is not for nothing that Americans have appeared in the media several times on the topic “such negotiations cannot be conducted in open mode.”

If you carefully listen to the speeches of Russian politicians and high-ranking military officers, you can come to the conclusion that there is no faith in any agreements, treaties, obligations and other "paper" in the leadership of the Russian Federation.

And in recent years, the Americans have spat on these agreements so many times, so many times they withdrew from the treaties, that, indeed, they cannot be trusted.

And where is the exit?

Secret negotiations?

It doesn't change anything at all. The contract, no matter how you accept it, is just a gentleman's agreement.

International law?

And what is it in the modern world?

The only correct and possible solution was voiced by President Putin. Non-expansion of NATO to the east and the withdrawal of alliance units from the borders of Russia.

If you think about it, there is only one really working security guarantee in the existing world. A guarantee that was successfully used by the USSR and the USA in the last century.

No matter how cynical it may sound, this is a guarantee of mutual destruction. The fact that when you attack another nuclear power, you will in any case receive a response that destroys you, perfectly sobers up any hawk.

Such a guarantee for Russia is the non-location of launchers for medium-range missiles at a certain distance from the country's borders. Simply put, a country should have at least a minimum margin of time to react to an enemy strike, to neutralize this strike.

Again I remembered the phrase of the Russian president about a world without Russia: “Why such a world if there is no Russia there”?

Indeed, why should we?

War or options?


But are there any options for solving the problem, other than military?

No one wants to fight, but...

Returning to the beginning of the material, I repeat, for me the agreement between the Russian Federation and the United States on the terms dictated by Russia is very doubtful. Too harsh tone of demands and too short time for reflection and decision making.

It seems to me that the Americans will try to buy time by agreeing on one or more points of the requirements.

For example, a guarantee that Ukraine and Georgia will not join the alliance is perfect for this.

Why not?

After all, President Biden has already promised at least 10 years of delay to Kiev. Moreover, why don't the Americans declare a moratorium on joining NATO for some time.

Is it bad or good?

I have no answer.

But this is the real solution to the problem.

The rest of the issues will be decided by the presidents of the United States and the Russian Federation at the summit. Unilateral agreements on the non-deployment of launchers, on the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons, and so on. It is possible to conclude an INF treaty again. Naturally, on the terms of their safe deployment for both countries.

Even questions about NATO units in Poland and the Baltics are perfectly resolved in a bilateral format. The Americans have long envisaged such an opportunity as a painless withdrawal of these units. They are located there on a rotational basis. They arrived and left. The others didn't come.

We summarize


The scenario of a possible solution to the problem is, so far, nothing more than a scenario. Solutions may be different. As well as the result of negotiations between the leaders of the United States and Russia.

But in any case, the ultimatum was and remains a necessity. If only because it will bring clarity to international relations. The positions of all players will become clear.

Be that as it may, with any response from the American side, President Putin gets the opportunity to make decisions taking into account the positions of most countries of the world.

It is understandable that the CSTO will receive another impetus for development in the near future.

The fact that the integration of Russia and Belarus will deepen is also clear.

The fact that Russia will be able to ensure security precisely from dangerous directions, I think, is also obvious.

Russia has repeatedly spoken about a military and military-technical response. I think we will see this answer soon.

What it will be is still unclear. Moscow knows how to keep secrets. But the fact that it will be a rather original and strong move is already indisputable.

So, the ultimatum is just the beginning of the journey.

As diplomats say, "only the first round of negotiations took place."

It is important that in the heat of patriotism and the struggle for benefits for their states, diplomats still maintain a balance. They would combine their interests with those of others.
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  1. avia12005
    avia12005 22 January 2022 05: 57
    +14
    The Ukrainian issue must be resolved. Ukraine-Anti-Russia must be destroyed. Dot. Otherwise, this vile mimicry of an independent state will be used by the West to destroy Russia. The sooner this is done, the less problems there will be for our descendants. We need to think about future generations.
    1. Crimean_2
      Crimean_2 22 January 2022 06: 21
      +45
      How are you going to solve the Ukrainian issue? Fight? Are you out of your mind. Two Slavic peoples will destroy each other to the delight of the same America.
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 22 January 2022 06: 51
        +28
        An ultimatum is presented by either a stronger or more arrogant side ... well, they will send us through the forest, so what? will we grab a vigorous club? do not think.
        1. aslan balayev
          aslan balayev 22 January 2022 08: 58
          -8
          Quote: Aerodrome
          An ultimatum is presented by either a stronger or more arrogant side ... well, they will send us through the forest, so what? will we grab a vigorous club? do not think.

          The ultimatum woke the sleepy Biden. Now the old man won't sleep. And no one will sleep. Will grumble forever request
          1. Egoza
            Egoza 22 January 2022 09: 46
            -3
            Quote: aslan balayev

            The ultimatum woke the sleepy Biden. Now the old man won't sleep. And won't let anyone sleep

            Maybe he read A. Gaidar? As they said through the lips of one hero: "an ultimatum means they will beat")))
            1. p0pulivox
              p0pulivox 22 January 2022 12: 40
              +1
              Who will be beaten? belay
              1. bayard
                bayard 22 January 2022 17: 35
                0
                Quote: p0pulivox
                Who will be beaten?

                Ukraine-it is not a pity. yes
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                  1. bayard
                    bayard 22 January 2022 19: 32
                    0
                    Quote: p0pulivox
                    Who will be beaten?

                    Quote: bayard
                    Ukraine - it is not a pity

                    Well, not in Voronezh, is it?
                    It's more pitiful for him.
                    Quote: p0pulivox
                    paramedics arrived.

                    Apparently you often deal with them.
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                2. orlandoche
                  orlandoche 24 January 2022 00: 07
                  0
                  Quote: bayard
                  Ukraine-it is not a pity.

                  What about us? laughing (there is a joke)
              2. EMMM
                EMMM 24 January 2022 01: 17
                +1
                No, Gaidar's "they will beat" referred to the one to whom the ultimatum was sent
        2. fa2998
          fa2998 22 January 2022 09: 15
          +10
          Quote: Aerodrome
          an ultimatum is presented by a party or stronger

          Quote: Aerodrome
          an ultimatum is presented by a party or stronger

          Absolutely right! Russia has NO tools. The fact that we are driving a sea of ​​​​oil and gas abroad will not surprise anyone. We are not monopolists. Other sellers will only be delighted. perform? Stupid!
          I think the Russian demands will be ignored (silently). They won't notice! hi hi
          1. paul3390
            paul3390 22 January 2022 12: 07
            -2
            Russia has NO instruments

            Yes, they are full! And very painful for the West. Another thing is how to apply them, if everything like honestly acquired over decades of robbery is right there? With families?
            1. Knell wardenheart
              Knell wardenheart 22 January 2022 12: 23
              +6
              We are now in no position to set any conditions so loudly and to some extent even arrogantly. NATO does not exist yesterday, 1997, to which they appeal in the negotiations, was, for a moment, 25 years ago. Quarter of century. All this looks very inflated now .. for good, if we really care about our security (which I personally doubt, well, or logically - it hasn’t worried us for 25 years) - we need to use our UN tools and pan-European negotiations without the United States, about common European security. I don’t observe this - I ask, why the hell are we in all these talking shops, pay huge fees, if we DO NOT use them in practice? It seems that the current position is to some extent beneficial to us, that we are not interested in its resolution, we hope to use it somehow. Well, or as an alternative, that we do not have a clear diplomatic line, continuous reflection ..
              1. DED_peer_DED
                DED_peer_DED 22 January 2022 15: 44
                +9
                In my opinion, today Moscow and Washington have completely opposite goals.


                We are now in no position to set any conditions so loudly and to some extent even arrogantly.


                The goals are exactly the same. The difference is in rhetoric, presentation, verbal and candy wrappers of one goal. The true goal of this "nixie" is hidden by both, like - "sides of the crisis." And yet she is the same.
                Both of them, people from the same cohort, with one common idea, one team, one seed. Globalists, both those and these (now former ones ... and changing their "skins" right before our eyes, but synchronously).
                At this point in time (we look at how the world has changed over the past few years), this cohort has sharply raised the question of reformatting the World. Preparations of the World and peoples for a new reality, which they are now hastily creating. There is very little time, human life is not so long, but there is a lot to be done.
                At the moment, all power in the World is in the hands of this cohort, well... except for... little things.
                But that is not enough.
                This team plans to establish one real power, one government, one Ruler-King over the whole World.
                What, in brief, is the essence of the "nixie" with "ultimatums" that we are currently observing?
                Having agreed within one "team" to act synchronously, distributing roles ("Bad-Good"), distributing texts and scripts, rehearsing (for example, the first act - "Pandemic"), this "cohort" proceeds to the theatrical show. One (allegedly) side puts forward ultimatum conditions that are conceived to be impossible, the other (allegedly) rejects it.
                Moreover, it is noticeable to all outsiders that this "complication" arises in an empty (or omitted a long time ago, earlier) place, has no economic, political, moral basis, but is a kind of "pimple" that jumped up in one empty place at the behest of a "magic sticks."
                Time, time...
                Show mast go he.
                Those. war must be and must be, and not one, but several in a row until "complete victory." Over whom?
                Ukraine, Moldova, Turkey, Azerbaijan, the countries of Central Asia, Afghanistan, Syria, Japan, the Baltic states, the countries of Eastern Europe...
                Who else is there with "ours" on the list? Who's in line for the pills? China? There are a lot of questions about China, specifically, this is not accurate.
                Firstly, this "cohort" needs wars, and secondly (and this is the main thing) - a mess all over the world. We need the collapse of states, the redistribution of territories, wars, famines, the general collapse of industry (hello, China and the Tigers!) And as a result of all this mess, the establishment of autocracy throughout the World, due to the failure of the current "authorities".
                One Faith, one Power, one King.
                Who, first of all and to the greatest extent, hinders the fulfillment of this "great goal"?
                That's right, the Russian people and others like them.
                How to deal with it?
                It is necessary to arrange for the Russians, and with their help, a whole series of wars. Those foreign in wars, firstly, do not count on "their own" ... and all this is dangerous in principle.
                Having arranged for the Russians a series of "liberation and just wars" (that's right), it is possible to solve all the tasks set.
                The Russians have nothing more than an army. What is missing?
                No heavy industry, no light industry, no manufacturers of agricultural machinery (from scratch), fertilizer manufacturers, no selection of their non-monsant seeds, no large strategic reserves, no Stabilization Fund and financial independence, no navy, no excess of births over deaths, no National Idea , no education, no comprehensive affordable medicine, no BigPharma... Nothing.
                And, there are plenty of hot spots, so carefully and for many years cultivated and accumulated, around and inside.
                Here it is, the solution to the "Russian Question"!
                By pushing the Russian people into a series of wars, into a series of economic and human losses.
                Dramatically reduce the size of the Russian population in the process of wars, economic losses, human losses, hunger, cold, the collapse of medicine, etc. and breed around disaster, loss and universal mess.
                Since, "finishing off" us with their usual methods can be STRONGLY delayed, but they don't have time. Therefore, only war, only radically and quickly.
                With our own hands, they will finish us off, plus "arrange your entire Circus" - at once. Creative and combinatorial. In their style.
                1. bayard
                  bayard 22 January 2022 17: 52
                  -5
                  Quote: DED_peer_DED
                  Therefore, only war, only radically and quickly.
                  With our own hands, they will finish us off, plus "arrange your entire Circus" - at once. Creative and combinatorial. In their style.

                  Therefore, the Kremlin itself is in the game and in the course of plans?
                  And if somehow not, then what should be his actions in order to fend off such an inevitable disgrace?

                  As for me, if it gets into Ukraine, then it’s in business.
                  If he deploys bases in the Caribbean and introduces Iran, Syria, Iraq, Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua into the CSTO ... and maybe the DPRK to the heap ... then the threat is being stopped and reasonable counter-measures are underway.
                2. EMMM
                  EMMM 24 January 2022 01: 40
                  -2
                  Do not wait!
                3. Plate
                  Plate 27 January 2022 21: 05
                  0
                  Well, conspiracy theories are interesting. A well-deserved plus for an interestingly spent minute of reading.
              2. sniperino
                sniperino 22 January 2022 17: 57
                0
                Quote: Knell Wardenheart
                We are now in no position to set any conditions so loudly and to some extent even arrogantly.
                Are you confident in your ability to assess Russia's position better than the President and the Security Council? Or are you afraid that they want to push the Russian Federation into the abyss of Leta?
                1. Knell wardenheart
                  Knell wardenheart 22 January 2022 18: 06
                  +4
                  I reason by analyzing what I know and have seen, what has already happened earlier in our history. It has already happened to us that the elites, radiating potency and knowledge, led the country to point G on the map. Until that moment, they also insisted that everything was under control. At point G, it was clear to most that it was not. There are various kinds of signals that may indicate that we are being taken somewhere in the wrong direction - if they arise, this probability gradually increases from near zero.
                  So it's not so important what "they" want there, the question is how objectively everything corresponds to their vision.
                  1. sniperino
                    sniperino 22 January 2022 18: 23
                    -4
                    Quote: Knell Wardenheart
                    There are different kinds of signals
                    Are you talking about the first or second signal system? For the first one it’s too general, but for the second it’s better to immediately tell the name of the signalman to amateur sources, where the firewood comes from.
                  2. EMMM
                    EMMM 24 January 2022 01: 42
                    -3
                    Lots of words, but where are the facts?
              3. EMMM
                EMMM 24 January 2022 01: 33
                0
                Yes, our politicians are persuading us that dialogue is needed.
                I agree, we need a dialogue, and not listening to the monologue of a partner who hears only himself.
            2. Serg Kam
              Serg Kam 22 January 2022 12: 25
              +15
              Yes, they are full! And very painful for the West.

              For example?
              Don't give titanium for Boeing? So he will buy in Australia.
              Gas not to give to Europe? Qatar will be happy. And Europe will build nuclear power plants next (against the background of the crisis, they were recognized as green energy)
              Unleash a third world? Well, it's not funny.
              What real tools does Russia have?
              1. Snail N9
                Snail N9 22 January 2022 15: 24
                +2
                What tools does Moscow have? And "bomb Voronezh?". yes "Ultimatum, Moscow's demands" - I haven't laughed like that in a long time. Voronezh is already tense. lol
                1. bayard
                  bayard 22 January 2022 17: 58
                  0
                  Quote: Snail N9
                  And "bomb Voronezh?"

                  And if Zhmerinka?
                  Surely no one will be killed by it.
              2. bayard
                bayard 22 January 2022 17: 57
                0
                Quote: SergKam
                What real tools does Russia have?

                Unpredictability.
              3. Plate
                Plate 27 January 2022 21: 12
                0
                Supply more titanium for Boeing so that Australia gets less money.
                Supply more gas, and even try to drive its products. And at the same time sign contracts for the construction of nuclear power plants in Europe.
                Yes, there are enough missiles in Cuba to start. There is no real benefit, but the info-effect will be just "oops".
                And you can also completely fall into delirium and arrange wild dumping on the hydrocarbon market, so that the life of Qatar you mentioned would become dramatically worse. And it will be bad for us too, of course, but Qatar and the Saudis are worse off. On this, destabilize the local situation, give weapons to the Houthis so that they go on the offensive against the Saudis, equip someone there from scratch. And please - the region-leader in oil production flared up along with oil rigs. Oil $250 per barrel. Of course, the decision is rather short-term, because it will significantly speed up the withdrawal from hydrocarbons, but before that you can make a lot of money. And on this profit, just get away from them ourselves, and at the same time solve other problems.
                The main thing here is to have at least some minimal initial capabilities and think about how to use them. We have opportunities and far from minimal. The most important thing remains.
              4. accordionist
                accordionist 31 January 2022 14: 32
                0
                I remember they tried to impose sanctions against our aluminum, so prices immediately jumped one and a half times and it is not known how much it would cost now if Deripaska had not been bent then. And if so, go through all the metals that we supply to them? And besides metals, there is still a lot of things, the same oil and gas, coal and wheat. Well, yes, they will find where to buy all this, only now the price will be higher and higher and higher as it is now with gas. I can imagine how their population will be delighted with the crisis of 2008, then it will seem like a small misunderstanding to everyone. Well, in three months it will be possible to discuss with them a way out of the crisis and return to the ultimatum. Well, of course, we will also have a hard time during these three months, but nevertheless, we also have something to answer. And not only symmetrically. For example, some kind of Shiite group can notably bombard American bases in Iraq and Syria with heavy casualties among the thanes, but we, as it were, have nothing to do with it. Well, other interesting events in politics can happen during these three months. Some Qatar, as a result of an attack by the Houthis, for example, may lose its entire oil and gas infrastructure. When such a game goes, all the trump cards will be in use (well, as far as eggs allow anyone). In short, if you want to answer, you can figure out how.
            3. fa2998
              fa2998 22 January 2022 15: 36
              +4
              Pavel, you are somehow more detailed about instruments. I already said about oil and gas. Engines are no longer bought, titanium was exported from the USSR to the USA during the Cold War, and now, everything is private, the market will be taken out, WHAT ELSE !! hi
              PC-minus is not mine hi
              1. bayard
                bayard 22 January 2022 18: 40
                +3
                Quote: fa2998
                ,WHAT ELSE!!

                Well, for example, aluminum is also a private business, with a large share of American companies, but ... sanctions are sanctions. Up to nationalization. Can you tell me the share of Russian aluminum in their auto industry?
                And in the aircraft industry and other construction business - too.
                Nuclear fuel .
                And the rejection of heavy oil. lol
                Of course, they can make friends with Venezuela again, but ... maybe it won’t be bad - they will pay off their debts faster, the people will have more fun ...
                But in general, they should not be frightened by such sanctions.
                The most terrible sanction for the United States is the refusal of the Russian Federation from the dollar as a unit of account. yes This is worse for them than nuclear war.
                Moreover, settlements with Europe will be in euro / ruble. With China - in yuan / ruble. With India, of course, in Rupiah \ ruble.
                What we have for some time now called the "nationalization of the Central Bank" will actually be its liquidation or transformation into a regular National (State) Bank of Russia.
                Believe me, this is worse and worse than titanium, aluminum and uranium combined ... and multiplied by heavy oil. bully
                The economy of the Russian Federation is catastrophically undermonetized, and this is not counting the withdrawal of capital abroad and the tricks of the Central Bank with rates and other regulatory policies, as well as the famous "Budget Rule". The current capitalization of the Russian economy is 40% at a rate of 100% (in the United States it is orders of magnitude higher). So the rejection of the dollar will turn out to be a great boon for the domestic economy, because in this case the ruble will immediately become an investment currency and capitalization to the desired 100% within a few years will give such a breakthrough in the economy ... Moreover, capitalization can be done both through investments in infrastructure, social sphere, defense, science and other culture, as well as cheap lending to small, medium and large businesses ... In all the necessary volumes and at a very pleasant percentage ... For the State Bank is responsible for investment and credit policy, and not for the profits to shareholders (this is exactly the case with the Central Bank).
                If this happens, we will not recognize the country in a few years (in a very good sense of the word). And the rate of economic growth will be higher than in China (because we HAVE where to invest). And no external regulators.
                After all, if it’s still a war (yes, even economic or cold), then why not? If they already threaten to constantly disconnect from the swift and ban the use of the dollar, then why not do it yourself - not "take the punishment", but forestall the blow with a blow.
                With such a blow, you can put him in a knockout ... especially if you follow the consequences.

                Do you want some GDP numbers?
                Real?
                By PPS?
                In the USA - about 15 tril. USD (monetization orders of magnitude higher than 100%)
                China has over 17 trils. USD (monetization above 100%)
                Russia has 4 - 4,5 tril. USD (monetization 40%)
                Even with today's monetization, our GDP per capita is only 1,5 times lower than in the US.
                And what will happen when monetization is brought to the desired 100%?
                But in the event of the collapse of the dollar system, the US economy will collapse by half.
                And China will not be happy.

                And what do you think, with such a prospect, what will the owners of Russian Life strive for? Sell ​​your homeland for half a penny, or bring your patrimony to the above state?
                And they have been thinking about it for a long time.
                And there have already been attempts to nationalize the banking system ... For a long time ... unsuccessfully ... Putin's friend died, assigned to carry out this business ...

                Do you think they will blink this time? wink

                That's what ultimatums are for.
                1. Serg Kam
                  Serg Kam 23 January 2022 01: 02
                  +10
                  The most terrible sanction for the United States is the refusal of the Russian Federation from the dollar as a unit of account. yes This is more terrible for them than nuclear war.
                  Moreover, settlements with Europe will be in euro / ruble. With China - in yuan / ruble. With India, of course, in Rupiah \ ruble.

                  Wake up you....
                  Settlement with China has long been in national currencies. As with Turkey and Europe.
                  When did the dollar collapse there? Where is our economic leap?
                  1. bayard
                    bayard 23 January 2022 09: 12
                    -8
                    The share of the trade balance traded in national currencies is not 100% of the total trade balance. More recently, it amounted to about 15-30% of the total turnover and concerned those transactions that they did not want to show to outsiders, or that Washington could block - the supply of weapons, especially air defense systems and aviation.
                    Now we are talking about the refusal to use the American settlement system. And today we are wholly in it and totally dependent. And we pay tax on every purchase. Moreover, each of our payment, paid by card, or other nominal payment, the Fed can track online. The same applies to enterprises, companies, research institutes ... including the military. And what does it mean for intelligence to track the transactions of a defense research institute or enterprise?
                    That's it.
                    And our Mir card, which is controlled by the Central Bank ... can also be controlled ... by the same Central Bank. Which is not ours at all and is not accountable to our government. Not only that, he (the Central Bank) controls it (the government).
                    Putin proposed the transition to settlements in national currencies for a long time - through currency swaps. This would still balance the mutual trade turnover. This is if, for example, China and the Russian Federation decided that their annual turnover would be 100 billion dollars. , and they exchange rubles and yuan for 50 billion dollars. each . At the same time, Russian companies buy Chinese goods for yuan, and the Chinese buy Russian goods for rubles ... exchanging their domestic currency in their own bank for the neighbor's currency at a fixed rate. Here, exchange rate speculations will not be able to influence the course (if proper measures are taken for this).
                    The Russian Federation has a surplus trade ... and a terrifyingly total surplus.
                    Last year, our import purchases were 3 (THREE!) times less than the volume of export deliveries.
                    Three times !!!
                    And at the same time, there is absolutely no shortage of imported goods in the Russian Federation.
                    And in the USA?
                    And there - DEFICIENCY.
                    Yes, yes, there is the same shortage (not everywhere and not always, but empty shelves of stores ... grocery !!), as in the USSR at sunset. Their country generally rolls into the hell of the Civil War, territorial division and loss of statehood.
                    And at the same time, NOBODY helps them - everything is YOURSELF.
                    It's about them. Forever fooling the whole world with your exaggerated prosperity in debt to the whole world ... does not work.
                    And this is despite their printing press, dozens of aircraft carriers (including the UDC with the F-35V), the world's largest military budget (largest of the rest of the world), Hollywood, the aggressive advancing Sodom, the coronovirus from who knows which of their laboratories came to the world ... Nothing helps anymore. Like a heavy drug addict, a constantly increasing dose.
                    Quote: SergKam
                    When did the dollar collapse there?

                    The funny thing is that the Fed shareholders themselves have been thinking for years about how to abandon the dollar and switch to a system of currency zones ... And the US economy, the entire social parasitic system of the United States (with unemployed blacks and other social subsidies) ... DOWN to hell. Or, to put it mildly, to bring down and then abolish the dollar by inventing a new currency. Or - pay off debts at the expense of the printing press, write off all your debts (and the total debt of the United States - municipal, states, counties, households, corporate, etc. - is more than 300 trillion dollars.).
                    And every time it turns out that the way out of the crisis is ONLY at the expense of the United States.
                    Gobble up the Russian Federation a second time (as before the USSR) and stretch out another 10 years at this expense ... they no longer succeeded.
                    Quote: SergKam
                    Where is our economic leap?

                    What jump are you talking about?
                    With the monetization of the economy 40 (FORTY)% !!! ?
                    With the "Budget Rule" skimming and withdrawing all the cream from foreign trade in energy?
                    With the credit policy of the Central Bank, when it is impossible for our companies to receive loans in rubles?
                    With the annual withdrawal of capital from the country in the amount of the Military Budget or more?
                    With total control by banksters (and hence their special services) over all transactions in the Russian Federation and with their unchanged policy of containment?
                    The fact of the matter is that the economy of the Russian Federation is super-efficient if it allows, with all these weights on its feet and withdrawals from income, still not fall into ruin and poverty, have a fairly powerful Army and, if possible, an independent policy ...
                    An example of this is our external trade balance.
                    But extracting gas and oil in the conditions of our climate, geography and logistics ... this is a very non-trivial task. What about coal in the Arctic? From the railway on permafrost ...
                    This is definitely not in Africa with naked blacks for a handful of grain ...
                    If weights and chains are thrown off, the effect will be explosive - in a few years the economy will grow by 2,5 times. Simply due to domonetization.
                    How much is it in numbers?
                    GDP at PPP in the Russian Federation - 4 - 4,5 trillion dollars. in year.
                    Therefore, in a few years (say, 4-5 years), the country's economy in the form of direct investment will flow ... at least 6 trillion dollars. in ruble terms.
                    Sorry, but for that kind of money you can rebuild the entire economy and infrastructure of the Russian Federation from scratch.
                    And the rejection of the Budget Rule will add another 100 billion dollars to the budget every year.
                    Almost the same amount per year will be brought by the nationalization of the assets of foreign investors (with the payment of the value of their shares) and the cessation of the withdrawal of capital abroad.

                    ... Have you already noticed some dissonance in the volume of investments and opportunities to assimilate them?
                    Right yes , it is necessary to expand the area and a sharp increase in the population.
                    Due to what?
                    Soviet Union . yes Call it at least Eurasian, but ... in an expanded form - it is necessary to form a sufficiently capacious market.

                    Here it will be - a jump.
                    To be more precise - sustainable growth exponentially.
                    This already happened in the first half and before 1970 of the 20th century. Perhaps even now.
                    1. Serg Kam
                      Serg Kam 23 January 2022 12: 23
                      +7
                      The share of the trade balance traded in national currencies is not 100% of the total trade balance

                      Guess why it is not 100%, although no one interferes?
                      the same Central Bank. Which is not ours at all and is not accountable to our government

                      That's strange. Putin passed the law on the Central Bank.
                      Putin appoints and removes the head of the Central Bank, and without Putin's approval, directors of the Central Bank cannot be appointed.
                      But the Central Bank is not ours and is not accountable to us.
                      How did this happen?
                      1. bayard
                        bayard 23 January 2022 15: 14
                        -7
                        Quote: SergKam
                        Guess why it is not 100%, although no one interferes?

                        The habit of some Chinese comrades, which will soon pass, and the obligations of the Russian Federation to trade oil for dollars.
                        Quote: SergKam
                        That's strange. Putin passed the law on the Central Bank.

                        He has no right to make laws. These are the rights and obligations of the Duma.
                        Quote: SergKam
                        Putin appoints and removes the head of the Central Bank

                        Only removes and approves the candidacy of the new director.
                        Quote: SergKam
                        But the Central Bank is not ours and is not accountable to us.
                        How did this happen?

                        It happened historically, through the betrayal of Gorbachev and the former head of the State Bank of the USSR Gerashchenko.
                        Yes, yes - even under the USSR.
                        And it was a surrender.
                        So did the heads of almost all states after that, who still retained the sovereignty of their Financial System.
                        And an attempt to get rid of this dependence was made in the autumn of 2005.
                        Unsuccessful.
                      2. Serg Kam
                        Serg Kam 23 January 2022 16: 28
                        +1
                        He has no right to make laws

                        Yes, laaad.
                        Oh, and whose signature is there?


                        The habit of some Chinese comrades, which will soon pass

                        Familiar songs.
                        "And under communism, everything will be (good)
                        It will come soon - you just have to wait ... "
                        Only removes and approves the candidacy of the new director

                        Well, you are cheating.
                        The candidate for appointment to the position of the Chairman of the Bank of Russia is presented by the President of the Russian Federation ... "[7]. Members of the Board of Directors of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation are appointed to the post by the State Duma on the proposal of the Chairman of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, agreed with the President of the Russian Federation (Article 15).

                        http://www.consultant.ru/law/podborki/naznachenie_na_dolzhnost_predsedatelya_centralnogo_banka/
                      3. bayard
                        bayard 23 January 2022 18: 10
                        -7
                        Quote: SergKam
                        Oh, and whose signature is there?

                        That's a strange thing - I see the last name and position, even the seal is there but ..... SIGNATURES - NO. belay
                        How so ?
                        And so with all laws, decrees and other orders ... there is no signature.
                        On almost all published documents.
                        And the president only signs / assures the law adopted by the Duma.
                        But he CAN'T accept it BY DEFINITION.
                        Any educated person will tell you this, especially a lawyer.

                        And read the papers carefully.
                        And there are documents that are not shown to the People, but which determine everything in the state ... and the limits of power.
                        Like "Chancellor Act" for Germany.
                      4. Serg Kam
                        Serg Kam 23 January 2022 23: 41
                        +1
                        But he CAN'T accept it BY DEFINITION.

                        And you are a dreamer.

                        Moscow. June 18th. INTERFAX.RU - Russian President Vladimir Putin rejected a law according to which editorial offices will be fully responsible for the information cited by other media
                        https://www.interfax.ru/russia/772778

                        Vladimir Putin rejected the federal law “On subsoil plots, the right to use which can be granted on a production sharing basis (Mayskoye gold deposit)”, adopted by the State Duma on October 4 and approved by the Federation Council on October 25
                        http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/39612

                        Or type in the search engine "Putin rejected the law" yourself, and you will understand that the impossible is possible
                      5. bayard
                        bayard 24 January 2022 00: 24
                        -4
                        He refused to sign the law/laws adopted by the Duma.
                        But he does not ACCEPT, but APPROVES laws.
                        And if the Duma does not agree with such a deviation, then the law can be adopted by a repeated vote of 3/4 votes. But this, of course, cannot be in modern conditions - United Russia has no conflict with Putin.
                        So he can really reject.
                        Approve - can.
                        Accept - no.
                      6. Serg Kam
                        Serg Kam 24 January 2022 00: 51
                        +3
                        he does not ACCEPT, but APPROVES laws.

                        We return to zero.
                        Vladimir Putin signed the Federal Law "On the Central Bank of the Russian Federation (Bank of Russia)"
                        http://www.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/27185

                        Putin nominates (and removes) the chairman of the Bank
                        Without Putin's approval, it is impossible to appoint (remove) members of the board of directors.
                        According to the Federal Law of July 10, 2002 N 86-FZ
                        http://www.consultant.ru/law/podborki/naznachenie_na_dolzhnost_predsedatelya_centralnogo_banka/

                        But, in your opinion, the Central Bank does not belong to us
                        It happened historically, through the betrayal of Gorbachev

                        Why is Gorbachev to blame? Why not Lenin? Or Nicholas II? Maybe this betrayal of Peter III forced Putin to sign such a law?
                      7. bayard
                        bayard 24 January 2022 02: 16
                        -4
                        Once again - the Central Bank, this is an external regulator from the World Bank (branch), which has founders. They exist in all countries and the system for appointing the heads of local (country) branches may vary. But even by appointing his protege as the director of his Central Bank, the head of state can manage it very indirectly, because the Central Bank is not subordinate to them. Otherwise, this institution would be called the National Bank, the State Bank, but not the Central Bank. Central, this is the country branch of the World Bank. Which shear all the states of the world and manage their economies through the discount interest rates they set. Orders for setting a specific rate come from the World Bank, and heads of state can only ask "their" central bank to change the discount rate. And Nabiulina (if you haven’t noticed before) does not always meet the president’s requests ... sometimes she even simply dismisses or very harshly answers that it’s IMPOSSIBLE - she has her own instructions.
                        Look at what is happening in Turkey because of Erdogan's conflict with the banksters. But he changed the directors of "his" Central Bank like gloves ... and he was answered with a collapse of the lira.
                        But Erdogan himself is to blame there.
                      8. Serg Kam
                        Serg Kam 24 January 2022 03: 24
                        +1
                        Once again - the Central Bank, this is an external regulator from the World Bank (branch), which has founders.

                        Believing in conspiracy theories is a good thing, of course. Even if it has no connection with reality.
                        But still, the activities of the Central Bank are determined by the Constitution of the Russian Federation (Article 75)
                        And federal law 86-FZ of July 10, 2002.,
                        signed by Putin.
                        http://www.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/27185

                        Are you able to read? I'm throwing links to the official website of the Kremlin for the third time.
                        Why did Putin specifically sign such a law so that the Central Bank would not be subordinate to Russia?
                        This betrayal of Peter III forced Putin to sign such a law?
                      9. EMMM
                        EMMM 24 January 2022 02: 04
                        -2
                        Decommissioned from Western cripples.
                        The Fed is not subordinate to the Federal Government, Parliament and the President.
                      10. bayard
                        bayard 24 January 2022 02: 23
                        -4
                        In addition to the FRS, the founders of the World Bank also have the Bank of England. This is a unified system of supranational control over the financial systems of all states of this unfortunate planet.
                    2. EMMM
                      EMMM 24 January 2022 02: 00
                      -1
                      "There was a time when prices were reduced..."
                      How old were you in 1970?
                      1. bayard
                        bayard 24 January 2022 02: 25
                        -3
                        If you tell me this, then in 1970 I was still quite young.
                      2. EMMM
                        EMMM 24 January 2022 22: 52
                        0
                        Yes to you!
                        But you seem to have not heard the words of Vysotsky's song
                2. Tomato
                  Tomato 23 January 2022 23: 50
                  0
                  "The most terrible sanction for the United States is the refusal of the Russian Federation from the dollar as a unit of account. yes This is more terrible for them than a nuclear war." - I remember once a well-known American economist was asked - will you be very scared if Russia abandons the dollar? . He laughed for a long time, from laughter he could not speak. When he came to his senses, he said that Russia's refusal of the dollar in the United States would not even be noticed. The share of Russia in world trade is less than 2%.
                  As one Russian economist has already said, Russia is not visible on the economic map of the World.
                  1. bayard
                    bayard 24 January 2022 01: 27
                    -7
                    Quote: Tomatoes
                    Russia is not visible on the economic map of the World.

                    Well, of course not visible:
                    - first place in the export of oil,
                    - first place in gas export,
                    - first place in the export of aluminum,
                    - the first place in the export of grain,
                    - aviation titan ...
                    This is certainly not China's consumer goods, but not to notice Russia's participation in world trade ... you need to be an absolutely outstanding economist.
                    Maybe it was these economists who brought the US economy to such a deplorable state?
                    Do you want to argue with that too?
                    You probably even want to.
                    The US GDP at PPP is 15 trillion dollars (they even write 21 trillion, but the rest is an overestimation of the value of corporate shares at speculative exchange auctions, we have never considered this ... and the rest, they just wind it up.
                    But if you look at the structure of these same 15 trills. USD , then the REAL sector accounts for less than half, the rest is services.
                    And in this scenario, our 4 - 4,5 tril. USD according to teaching staff, and with the ratio of our population and theirs ... they don’t look at all dull.
                    Don't you think so?
                    This is less money circulating in our economy, because the ruble is a "non-investment" currency. But in the real sector ... Russia Energy, Metallurgical, Agricultural (Grain), Nuclear (just singled out from Energy for clarity) and Military Superpower.
                    And from this - nowhere.
                    Quote: Tomatoes
                    As one Russian economist has already said

                    smile So I don’t seem to be an economist ... but in 1992, in the summer, the economic program I proposed saved the oil industry of the then young Russian Federation from collapse ... and a little later Gazprom pirated this program ... And I personally knew Khodorkovsky , and Nevzlin ... and talked with Abramovich ... a long time ago, when they were just starting their journey.
                    So, the "economists" you cite are losers ... well, let the threes (but with a minus) in the real economy. They are not economists at all ... they are "economists".
                    So you have the economy in the dupe from such "economists".
                    1. Tomato
                      Tomato 24 January 2022 09: 26
                      0
                      I have bookmarked a wonderful article "How to recognize a stupid person during a discussion."
                      № 4 Refutation of statistical data by single examples.
                      Somewhere in the Pacific Ocean there is a small country, 1st place in the world in the export of bird droppings.
                      Alas, the fact is the fact: The volume of Russia's foreign trade amounted to 592 billion dollars or 1,7% of the world turnover, which puts it in 18th place. Of these, exports accounted for $354 billion, or 2% of world exports, and imports for $238 billion, or 1,3% of world imports."
                      Instead of emoticons, you can use a mirror.
                    2. Tomato
                      Tomato 24 January 2022 09: 35
                      -1
                      And by the way. The above figures perfectly reflect the structure of exports - a country with raw materials.
                      For example, in Estonia, where "stupid Balts closed all factories", the share of "industrial products" is 4 times higher. It makes no sense even to compare with Poland or the Czech Republic.
                3. Fiesta
                  Fiesta 24 January 2022 00: 21
                  -1
                  Do you want some GDP numbers?
                  Real?
                  By PPS?
                  In the USA - about 15 tril. USD (monetization orders of magnitude higher than 100%)
                  China has over 17 trils. USD (monetization above 100%)
                  Russia has 4 - 4,5 tril. USD (monetization 40%)
                  Even with today's monetization, our GDP per capita is only 1,5 times lower than in the US.
                  And what will happen when monetization is brought to the desired 100%?
                  But in the event of the collapse of the dollar system, the US economy will collapse by half.
                  And China will not be happy.


                  Where did you get these numbers from? If you look at PPP, then GDP for 2020 is: US - $20.94 trillion, China - $24.14 trillion, Russia - ~$4.1 trillion. If nominal, then the United States also (for obvious reasons), China - 101.6 trillion yuan (at the current rate - ~ $ 16 trillion), Russia - 106.6 trillion rubles (at the current rate - ~ $ 1.38 trillion).

                  Per capita PPP (2020): USA - ~$63.5 thousand, China - ~$17.2 thousand, Russia - $27.9 thousand. In nominal terms: China - ~$11.5 thousand, Russia - ~$9.4 thousand. That is, the ratio of the United States to Russia at PPP is ~2.28, at par - ~6.76.

                  I give the numbers for 2020, because not all countries have yet provided official data on GDP for 2021, and I don’t want to use any predictions.
                  1. bayard
                    bayard 24 January 2022 01: 53
                    -4
                    Quote: Fiesta
                    Where did you get these numbers from? If you look at PPP, then GDP for 2020: US - $ 20.94 trillion

                    Quote: bayard
                    US GDP at PPP is 15 trillion dollars (they even write 21 trillion, but the rest is an overestimation of the value of corporate shares at speculative exchange trading, we have never considered this

                    I know about these figures, but it is necessary to compare comparable things. And it's best to do this by comparing the real sector (pieces, tons, etc.), but they haven't done it for so long.
                    But even comparing GDP per capita at PPP (based on 15 trillion, without an increase in the value of shares, which is a very empirical and speculative thing), the ratio will not be 2,28, but 1,63.
                    Feel the difference?
                    It's not bad at all.
                    And much better than in China.
                    In terms of GDP per capita.
                    And what if we make additional capitalization of the Russian economy?
                    Having issued and put into circulation another 6 trillion dollars. (in rubles) for several years?
                    Without any damage to the financial sector, the ruble exchange rate and other troubles? On the contrary - some amenities from such large-scale investments ...
                    And what if the Budget Rule is also cancelled?
                    Yes, something to do with the outflow of capital?
                    Yes, and reserve funds, too, somehow to send to your economy?
                    It's about what are the prospects for Russia in the economy, defense, social sphere, in terms of the development of Eastern Siberia and the Far East, the Arctic ...
                    And everything will immediately be enough.
                    And there will be enough for contracts for all Rotenbergs bully , if only they built quickly and efficiently ... And they know how.
                    And others will learn.
                    1. Vikxnumx
                      Vikxnumx 27 January 2022 09: 23
                      -1
                      And there will be enough bully for contracts for all Rotenbergs, if only they built quickly and efficiently ... And they know how.
                      And others will learn.

                      And why do we need a bridge to Sakhalin ???
                      And "Power of Siberia"?
                      And how much money will the Russian Federation directly earn from such projects?
                      There is no need to talk about the earnings of individuals !!!
                4. EMMM
                  EMMM 24 January 2022 01: 49
                  -1
                  Recently, another message was made about the reduction of the dollar in Russia's gold reserves
                5. Vikxnumx
                  Vikxnumx 27 January 2022 09: 19
                  0
                  Well, for example, aluminum is also a private business, with a large share of American companies, but ... sanctions are sanctions. Up to nationalization. Can you tell me the share of Russian aluminum in their auto industry?

                  Can you tell me the share of OUR bauxites in the production of OUR aluminum?
                  And for other minerals, not everything is rosy ...
                  Russia is not run by our banks. And not for the first hundred years... And not our people sit in the government either. What kind of ultimatums can we talk about?
                  Everyone needs an external Enemy! And who else to fight? There will be constant confrontation.
            4. fa2998
              fa2998 22 January 2022 21: 00
              -3
              Quote: paul3390
              like honestly acquired over decades of robbery is just there? With families?

              This is just a tool for the West. Arrest of accounts, assets, real estate, visas, etc. hi hi
              1. tank64rus
                tank64rus 23 January 2022 17: 44
                0
                This is the second US Pentagon. And maybe the first one. To clean the "elite" from the legacy of the 90s. That's when the Americans abruptly and immediately change their tone. Then everyone will see that Russia will do anything. This is what will scare them more than the Vanguard. The example of North Korea and Trump.
          2. antivirus
            antivirus 22 January 2022 13: 09
            -6
            there are tools - everything in the complex will give results and the foreign watering arena and the money will go in a larger amount to the development of the country.
            separately (including freedom of foreign trade0 we will be overturned again as in the early 90s.
            but to press all the "free" players to the nail in the economic space of the Russian Federation and Europe - and in China, individuals do not particularly meddle - then all together will give the result: the Kremlin will be more listened to.
            this ultimatum for 3-5 years before its implementation, and the United States is right - they do not have the opportunity to surrender their positions in 10 days, others will also trample on them.
            everyone understands each other and will work with the right, non-discriminatory pressure. to the lines marked by economists and bankers.
            1. Cat Kuzya
              Cat Kuzya 22 January 2022 16: 48
              +12
              Full of tools! We will answer the adversaries by introducing new taxes and requisitions within the country! We will introduce new restrictions on the sowing and cultivation of agricultural products by private traders! Let's ban private and spontaneous markets! Raise the retirement age to 67! In general, we will abolish labor pensions - let them save up for their old age! We will continue to keep salaries at the level of Zimbabwe! Let's raise prices for everything in the country! Let's cut spending on healthcare and education! And so on and so forth. See how much you can answer, and you're talking. yes
          3. Stepan S
            Stepan S 22 January 2022 14: 29
            -14
            that we will climb into the war if the ultimatum is not fulfilled? Stupid!
            I think the Russian demands will be ignored (silently). They won't notice!

            Did they put a medal "For Courage" on your profile picture for cowardice?
            1. fa2998
              fa2998 22 January 2022 15: 39
              +1
              You didn’t hang it for me, it’s not for you to take it off! soldier soldier
          4. Chonkin
            Chonkin 22 January 2022 15: 39
            -3
            Provocator am
            The game is just starting!
          5. polynet
            polynet 22 January 2022 22: 28
            -7
            In order not to blur the essence of the talks held yesterday behind the string of words, I will sum up their results very briefly point by point.

            1. In Germany, Blinken stated that he was not carrying any written answer to Geneva, to which Lavrov replied to him in the same Geneva:

            "The papers prepared by the State Department for today's meeting are simply impossible to read... We are waiting for an intelligible answer for another week."

            That is, the United States again lied.

            Meaning: with a bad game, Washington is still trying to show a good face from the series: "All is well, beautiful marquise." Like we still have something to measure.

            2. Follows from the second.

            Lavrov in diplomatic language: "I'm tired of being measured."

            I translate from diplomatic into Russian:

            We have MORE (you get the idea). You brought to Geneva only the Mountain (garbage) that gave birth to a mouse - sanctions that are suicidal for the United States itself, and not at all for Russia. Well, in the form of an answer, we have prepared a lot of light and heat for you: Zircons, Daggers, Sarmatians, Vanguards. New secret jammers, because of which you fled from Afghanistan, dropping your slippers. I have them. Checkmate. However, so be it, we will wait another week for an answer. Maybe your brain will clear up. If not, we'll call paramedics. Tick-tock, tick-tock. Time has gone.

            3. Here I will summarize the answer for Ukraine.

            The current Ukraine appeared as a result of a coup d'etat, as a result of which the legally elected president Yanukovych was removed, and then followed by a legal referendum in the Donbass. The Ukrainian regime is engaged in state terrorism.

            Meaning: Ukraine today is a terrorist state. If there is a provocation in the Donbass, then we will not deal with the state of Ukraine, but will deprive the statehood of the terrorist sub-state.

            Here are the things. Ukrainian Nazis prepare for the land ...

            4. Concerning Europe.

            The EU is a US colony. From now on, her number is sixteen. It may twitch, it may not twitch - her problems.

            Meaning: from now on, the sheriff does not care about the problems of the Indians.

            5. Assessment of appearance. What is IMPORTANT at such diplomatic meetings. Body language, so to speak.

            Lavrov is calm and confident. Blinken smiles like a kind doctor Aibolit to a mentally ill person.

            Blinken did not even look like a bleating sheep, but a beaten dog. About what I wrote in the last article.

            There is nothing to even comment on, without further ado, it is clear and understandable.

            6. The meeting lasted only 1,5 hours out of the planned 3.

            Meaning: zaluzhniki were sent ... beyond the Puddle - to teach homework. And now: sit down, two. In a week, if you do not learn the lessons, there will be zero.

            7. Ryabkov in the same Geneva commented on the future US written response:

            "If Washington's response disappoints Moscow, then what the president has publicly announced will happen."

            That is, if the United States does not capitulate, then the same military and military-technical response awaits them. And as Ryabkov added:

            "We did not provoke the current crisis, we just put forward our peace proposals."

            Yes, yes, and now we know how to cynicism.)))

            It means: point 7 lay exactly on the patterns of point 6. So we conclude: we did not make a mistake anywhere. And now we smile and wave.)

            The results of the meeting in Geneva were briefly summed up, now we are smoothly moving on to the very "not only" that directly concerns the essence of the Lavrov-Blinken negotiations.

            In confirmation of our plans, which are on the president's desk from military experts, the Russian Navy began large-scale exercises with the participation of 140 warships and 60 aircraft for the period January-February in all areas of responsibility of the fleets.

            Aircraft are equipped with hypersonic daggers. Whether Russian warships are equipped with new Zircons is an open secret for Russian citizens. Yes, and in Washington, I think, not so stupid people are sitting in order not to understand what's what:

            With the advent of Zircons in Russia, America ceased to be the Mistress of the Sea. From now on, this place is rightfully occupied by Russia.

            Therefore, it's time for Washington to get a white flag out of a dusty chest and surrender to the mercy of the winner ... while we are kind. We are negotiating ... with a gun to the American temple. Others in our place would simply bang their main geopolitical enemy. And we still go to these empty talks for us in order to give the weak enemy the opportunity to quietly and peacefully surrender without a fight. We keep him alive, so to speak. And this snake, having survived its poison, in response continues to spoil us. Although I should have heard the statement of the leadership of Russia: "Our patience has run out." Dot.

            And one more thing that radically changes the geopolitical landscape. True, here is more my IMHO. However, I have never made a mistake with him, therefore, I think that here I will definitely hit the bull's-eye.

            I have repeatedly read that after the occupation of Western Germany by the Americans in 1945, each new German chancellor is obliged to fly to the United States to sign the Chancellor Act - the permission of the owners for his temporary reign after taking the vassal oath.

            At the moment, Germany has a new chancellor - Scholz. He was unequivocally summoned to Washington - to the owner on the carpet (obviously to sign the same Chancellor Act).

            And he took and refused!

            That is, Germany defiantly withdraws from the subordination of the United States, therefore, apart from that very mouse - sanctions regarding the ban on transactions with the dollar to Russian banks, Washington can NOT show us anything. But this mouse is his own mouse. Gobble up a dollar, not choke (hee hee))). Well, we will make the ruble a reserve currency. There was a petrodollar, there will be a petroruble. We are with a huge profit, the USA is under the rubble of our own collapsed dollar mountain + the bursting exchange super-duper inflated bubble. In short, amen.

            It's not for nothing that the former German Chancellor Schroeder worked at Gazprom, where he was involved in the construction of the first Nord Stream.

            The head of Gazprom, Miller, Putin 2 days ago awarded the title of Hero of Labor. It is quite possible that our president will soon hang the Order of Friendship on Schroeder's chest.
            Well, how else, if the rest of Europe - the US colony is now squealing that Germany betrayed the EU, and therefore its zaluzhny master, for the sake of Russia?

            The West said that Germany "abandoned" everyone for Russia

            One could suggest that this is just a howl from the European swamps, if it weren’t for CASES (from the very last, otherwise the Estonians were breathing too angrily):

            WSJ: Germany blocked the transfer of weapons from Estonia to Ukraine

            "What is that swamp howl, Barrymore?

            - Washington's dog, sir.

            "Why is she howling, Barrymore?"

            "Washington kaput, sir."

            The triple alliance of Russia - Germany - China is Washington's worst dream, but it means the painful death of the United States. Even without Zircons, Caliber, Daggers and other Sarmatians with Vanguards. Enough of the secret Russian jammers capable of scrapping all the American bases that the Hand of the Kremlin can reach in order to speed up the process of dumping into the abyss of Washington.

            So, I think there will be no widescreen movie with numerous bright fireworks. Unless they show a small episode on blue screens. Demonstrative and instructive SOME FOR WHOM (well, you understand).

            Well, then Bobik will die himself.

            Without world wars and serious upheavals. Trite. For us.

            Hurt. Bloody. Painfully. For him.

            *****

            In general, I look at the entire geopolitical alignment, which today has already formed into a coherent picture, and I cannot but admire the mind of our brilliant strategists and the WILL of our president! First, to pass the razor's edge so skillfully, and then to strike so accurately at the most sensitive points of the enemy, being in a MUCH weaker position, in order to eventually WIN, only real Grandmasters of the Great Game could!

            I applaud while standing!

            *****

            PS: One of Russia's counter-sanctions is already ready:

            FAS has prepared amendments on the possibility of "nationalization" of enterprises:

            "The Federal Antimonopoly Service (FAS) proposed to consolidate the possibility of seizing the shares of foreign investors who have acquired control over strategic enterprises of the Russian Federation in violation of the law."

            But Putin warned:

            If you introduce sanctions against Russia at least once more, it will HURRY your business ... which is already breathing its last ...

            Amen...

            taken from [media=https://cont.ws/@id424201523/2187766]
            1. Sergey Nikiforov
              Sergey Nikiforov 22 January 2022 22: 59
              +5
              More reasoned ........... I haven’t read nonsense for a long time It must be so ...., I don’t even find suitable words, otherwise the moderators again warn (the last Chinese will endure)
          6. EMMM
            EMMM 24 January 2022 01: 26
            -3
            Forced to grieve.
            One of the largest buyers of Russian oil is the United States. Regardless of sanctions and threats. A large number of refineries in the States are tailored for our Urals. In the event of a cessation of supplies, they will be forced to stop production with all the ensuing consequences ...
          7. Kisa
            Kisa 24 January 2022 06: 01
            0
            Quote: fa2998
            I think Russian demands will be ignored

            if there is no war, then there will already be a result - a year ago Baydet promised a roof to Kiev. now it has been pushed back by 10 years. and when a fried Chinese rooster pecks, they move further. a peg was driven between the Germans. the French aircraft carriers have not forgotten ... the main thing here is not to hysteria ... we are watching the game
        3. Cosm22
          Cosm22 22 January 2022 10: 09
          +7
          Too often the word "ultimatum" was heard both in articles and in comments. Just amazing amazing.
          And here recently Ms. Yasnaya shamed me for using this term. By the way, something it is not audible now.
          1. dorz
            dorz 22 January 2022 10: 33
            +7
            Ultimatum is just...

            "Sun-faced" lead us straight to Paradise. The gate is already visible.
            1. alekseykabanets
              alekseykabanets 22 January 2022 11: 14
              +3
              Quote: dorz
              "Sun-faced" lead us straight to Paradise. The gate is already visible.

              I would like to object, but unfortunately there is nothing. A couple more turns and the finish line will be visible.
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            1. V means B
              V means B 22 January 2022 18: 56
              +4
              Yes, the minus is happening here quickly))))
              1. EMMM
                EMMM 24 January 2022 01: 28
                0
                I put on their cons a long time ago
                1. V means B
                  V means B 24 January 2022 09: 55
                  0
                  And you are a plus for this.)
                  1. EMMM
                    EMMM 24 January 2022 22: 50
                    +1
                    And they are paid money to ensure that the comments were in their line. If someone has an opinion - it means "minus"
                    1. V means B
                      V means B 25 January 2022 09: 09
                      +1
                      So my paranoia didn't deceive me.
                      1. EMMM
                        EMMM 30 January 2022 20: 00
                        0
                        Unfortunately yes!
                        We are brainwashed all the time
        4. bayard
          bayard 22 January 2022 17: 32
          -8
          Quote: Aerodrome
          well, they will send us through the forest, so what? will we grab a vigorous club? do not think.

          No, we'll just do our own thing and take ours.
          Much has been said about what we can do, and I am sure that not all options have been announced. I myself know several such options, but I will not voice them (this is in addition to the generally discussed ones).
          And holding on to a nuclear club is not a sin.
          And to turn it for persuasiveness - also does not hurt.
          So Raisi visited the Kremlin ... he prayed ... Maduro was invited to visit ... perhaps not alone.
          Now they will go big ... well, it's time to decide with Ukraine - the question is overripe.
        5. EMMM
          EMMM 24 January 2022 01: 15
          -1
          I think there are compelling arguments.
      2. avia12005
        avia12005 22 January 2022 07: 27
        +9
        Everyone has their own carrot. There are smart heads in the government and the General Staff, let them think. "Two Slavic peoples will destroy each other for the joy of the same America" ​​- you think so in vain. Destroyed - does not mean to fight.
      3. viktortarianik
        viktortarianik 22 January 2022 08: 32
        +29
        Have you forgotten what representatives of one Slavic people did with others in Odessa? Have you forgotten their actions in the Donbass? Have you forgotten about the "friendship trains" sent to the Crimea? This war has long been going on to the delight of America. And the instigators of it must be destroyed, it would be nice together with their curators.
        1. Crimean_2
          Crimean_2 22 January 2022 10: 57
          -1
          The tragic events in Odessa took place, but the Ukrainian people should not be blamed for this. Find provocateurs and punish. "Train of Friendship" is a fake, there's nothing even to discuss.
          1. Genry
            Genry 22 January 2022 11: 22
            +4
            Quote: Crimean_2
            "Train of Friendship" is a fake, there's nothing even to discuss.

            Not a fake!
            He was the first with the Korchinsky gang, when they wanted the president of Crimea, in the early years of independence.
            Before the independence of the Crimea, he was also going to do this, but when they saw how many people and their determination, the "druzhbans" dispersed before reaching a couple of substations.
            1. Crimean_2
              Crimean_2 22 January 2022 13: 29
              -4
              Yes, indeed 1 train was in 1993. There are photos online. I don't know if it arrived or not. But about the 2nd train there is nothing at all, no photo, no video.
              1. Genry
                Genry 22 January 2022 14: 20
                +2
                Quote: Crimean_2
                But about the 2nd train there is nothing at all, no photo, no video.

                Have you seen at least one video of the work of militants? How were buses with people going to Crimea destroyed? Massacres with "Berkut"?

                Is there a fact that the train did not arrive (according to the schedule), which was met by the Crimean self-defense?
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTOkquRqONU
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAZPjuPGBLI
                1. Crimean_2
                  Crimean_2 22 January 2022 15: 41
                  -4
                  The fact of absence is strong. This is proof that he was. Bomb
        2. Sergey Nikiforov
          Sergey Nikiforov 22 January 2022 11: 07
          +16
          I remember that in one country (I won’t name it) they thrashed from tanks at the government house. There are also dead. The commander of that tank group is now the commander
          1. bandabas
            bandabas 22 January 2022 21: 18
            +6
            And in some country there is a center-museum of an alcoholic. Tell me, what's his name?
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      4. Egoza
        Egoza 22 January 2022 09: 44
        +8
        Quote: Crimean_2
        Two Slavic peoples will destroy each other to the delight of the same America.

        but take it differently: the Russians will destroy the Nazis. Dot. And the Slavic peoples ... Poles, Bulgarians, Slovaks are also Slavic peoples. Will they think a lot about whether to shoot the Russians or not? Otozh!
        1. Crimean_2
          Crimean_2 22 January 2022 11: 04
          -6
          I took it differently. As you invade (or liberate), as you wish, you will separate the fascists from the non-fascists. Who to destroy and who not. And what about the consequences for the Russian people from such a step? About Slovaks, Hungarians, Romanians did not understand at all what you wanted to convey
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      6. Timon2155
        Timon2155 22 January 2022 15: 29
        +1
        And what do you suggest? Sit and wait for them to attack us? And also have to fight with Ukraine. So it's better to do it now!
        1. Cat Kuzya
          Cat Kuzya 22 January 2022 17: 33
          +6
          Of course they will attack. So they are waiting for the right moment.
          1. Timon2155
            Timon2155 22 January 2022 22: 01
            -1
            Do you know the joke about the cow and the herd? That's it. We have always been at war - you did not know about it? Opening? Or do you think things have changed now? They always wanted our lands, minerals, and so on. Or are you one of those who want Bavarian?)))) Well, go ahead, the Indians, the indigenous population of Australia, New Zealand, Canada and heaps of other countries are already drinking Bavarian)))
      7. Baron pardus
        Baron pardus 22 January 2022 18: 55
        +7
        Are you serious? About the fact that "all Slavs are brothers"? Wake up and read history books. You know, with brothers like that, you start to understand Kain. Well, let's go through the list: a) Poland is the Slavs, the eternal enemy. Strengths: culture, poetry, ancient history. But they are still ENEMIES. Not because Russians hate Poles, not at all, but because POLES hate Russians.
        b) Czech Republic. Also consistent enemies. Only the lazy did not write about the Czech Legion in Russia during the Revolution. Until now, songs such as "The evil Czechs killed the father" have been preserved. The same Czechs went to the Austrian Army and the Waffen SS without any problems.
        c) Bulgarians. Consistently opposed Russia in both world wars. Bros, damn it. I repeat, with such brothers you begin to understand Kain. What they SAY is never the same as what they DO.
        d) Serbs are perhaps the most decent, but also on their own minds.
        e) Ukrainians. Ukrainians are an IMPLEMENTED people. They NEVER existed. Well, there was no Ukraine on the map of the 19th century. and on the maps of the 18th, 17th, 16th, 15th, 14th, 13th, and further centuries, Ukraine WOULD NOT BE. And if there is no country, then there is no ethnic group. The so-called OKRAINTS are nothing more than Russians from the outskirts of the state who fell under the CULTURAL-LINGUISTIC INFLUENCE of their neighbors. All ethnic groups have the same culture and mentality. British culture is the same throughout Britain (but not Ireland, Scotland and Wales), Polish culture (and it is the OLDEST among the Poles) is the same ALL OVER POLAND. Ukrainians don't have that. Western Ukrainians differ in culture and mentality from other Ukrainians. Which is natural, since they most of all came under the cultural influence of the Poles, Hungarians, Romanians and Austrians.
        I will add that during the goat uprisings, the Polish King collected the nobility for the "War against the rebellious RUSSIAN". Apparently the poor king did not know with whom he was at war.

        The fact that a person is a Slav does not mean anything. He can be as much a friend and as much an enemy as any other. My best friend is German. The French cut each other so many times and did not bother that they say - the same Gauls. Scottish clans slaughtered each other with enthusiasm and enthusiasm (Makbeth, Makbeth, beware MakDuff, beware the Thane of Fife). The Germans slaughtered each other with such enthusiasm during the 30-year war, when some "Children of Christ" joyfully killed other "children of Christ" for the glory of that same Christ. That slaughtered 75% of the population in some provinces. The fact that a person is a Slav, a German, a Chinese, or a Jew or a "Negro of advanced years" does not mean ANYTHING.
        A Slav can be a friend, or maybe an enemy. As well as people of other nationalities. Moreover, the same Poles (and Czechs), although genetically Slavs, but CULTURALLY and RELIGIOUSLY, are NOT such.

        Enemies must be destroyed. Regardless of whether they are Slavs or not. Already once they tried not to shoot "At the German brothers in the class", it's clear that this did not teach you ANYTHING. Avon, as Trotskyism, poisoned the brains of many. So now you are ready to jump on the same rake. Understand, only the fact that you happened to the so-called. "Ukrainian" from the same monkey does not mean ANYTHING. Moreover, there is no worse enemy than a kinsman. Over in the USA, "oppressed" Negroes willingly wet the same "oppressed" Negroes. 95+ percent of blacks killed are killed by other blacks or "oppressed" Latinos. (I'm talking specifically about murder, shooting, dismantling of bandits, and not murder in self-defense), and blacks can call each other "Ma brotha" as much as they like, but they don't stop pissing each other off. So who is a Slav, a Chinese, a Negro, or a Honduran - does not matter. It matters who it is - friend or foe,

        Pan-Slavism, to my PREVILIK, unfortunately did not take place. Too quarrelsome :-), and too different in mentality, religion, culture, and the "civilized west" tried. The whole "Ukraine" is generally a project of the Austro-Hungarian intelligence. Moreover, made for 5+ .. But what Erdogan (pan-Turkism) does will work quite well, unfortunately. Turkic peoples are not so fragmented

        The "brothers of Ukrainians", as well as the "brothers of the Poles" have no doubts about whether it is worth killing, torturing, raping Russians somehow. as well as among the "oppressed but original" Caucasian tribes. "Judge them by their deeds" ... And the cases are such that the "Slav brothers" turned out to be enemies no worse than the same French, Germans, British, and Japanese.
        1. Crimean_2
          Crimean_2 22 January 2022 20: 46
          -2
          We beat the Nazis with the Ukrainian brothers. And not only, but all 15 republics of the USSR made their contribution. And now, by someone's evil will, they are not our brothers. All enemies, all scoundrels, resentment is in store for everyone. And only Russia on a white horse. Where are our friends, why are there so few left? Who is to blame? It seems to me that the problem must be looked for inside.
          1. Baron pardus
            Baron pardus 22 January 2022 21: 02
            +4
            You could not beat the Nazis with the "Ukrainian brothers". Because no one gave Ukrainians as many collaborators as the Nazis gave. Neither the Balts (those still bad people), nor the Georgians, nor the Crimean Tatars - nobody. Until the age of 47, my grandfather participated in the fight against Bandera gangs. For this he received the Red Star (which, under Stalin, was simply not given to ANYONE). He told me so much. Personally, he hated Ukrainians more than Germans. Already in the USA, I met a man who managed to escape from the Lvov Ghetto. He also told me so many things. Moreover, EVERYTHING that he told me with absolute accuracy coincides with what my grandfather told me. "A German - he is like a machine. He was ordered to shoot you - he will shoot you. He was ordered to feed you - he will feed you. An officer will allow him to go wild, he will go wild. An officer will forbid him - he will behave normally. And Ukrainians .. a Ukrainian will skin you for a week, and not because he was ordered to, but purely because he enjoys it. And if you, Dimka, think that Bandera's atrocities only against Jews and Russians, nothing like that. Ask the Poles about the Volyn massacre." This is what my grandfather told me back in the 80s.
            It so happened that in the USSR I had a good friend - Sasha Bronsky. His mother is Casimira, his grandmother is Bratislava. Both are Polish. On the advice of my grandfather, I asked them. They told me a lot. Especially Bratislava. She was taken to Germany to work. So, according to her, those Poles from her village who were driven to work by the Germans survived. Those who remained were killed by the Ukrainians. So there is still a huge question of who were the big Nazis - Germans or Bandera.
            1. Sergey Nikiforov
              Sergey Nikiforov 22 January 2022 23: 13
              +7
              Hey ....... not a very good person. In my company in Afghanistan, there were 6 officers and 29 warrant officers (the company was deployed according to the state of combat time, if it tells you something) More than half were from Ukraine Almost all were awarded orders and medals of 11 people with the Order of the Red Star. Believe me, in the early 80s they were not given just like that. My maternal grandfather from Ukraine, the iconostasis at the foreman's grandfather never dreamed of. Every nation has its own heroes and its own. And no one gave you the right to do conclusions on the national question You sit in America and sit, do not go there, whom you betrayed
              1. VORON538
                VORON538 23 January 2022 02: 29
                -7
                I am tormented by vague doubts about Smolensk, Afghanistan ... "Colonel of the Soviet Army" - a lover of Western "values" :))) With such views, how did you end up in the Soviet Army in general? Courses "an officer's daughter from Crimea" :)))?
                1. Sergey Nikiforov
                  Sergey Nikiforov 23 January 2022 06: 45
                  +2
                  Yes, it’s not for you to decide how and where Wrong level But leave doubts for your wife, well, you understand, there’s something in your head, if you follow my words Continue
                  1. Baron pardus
                    Baron pardus 24 January 2022 22: 35
                    -1
                    Too often you "combat veteran" mention other people's wives and doubts about their fidelity. No need to project your complexes, and the family situation on others. When an "Afghan", "combat veteran" constantly talks about the fidelity of other people's wives, then in his own words he leads others to think that, of course, this is no accident, and perhaps not everything is in order in the family of this very "combat veteran", otherwise, such a "veteran" would not repeat the same thing, completely like the old Freud.
              2. Baron pardus
                Baron pardus 23 January 2022 04: 31
                -1
                Listen to me. I understand that "On the Internet, no one knows that you are a dog" (American caricature), but I am tormented by vague doubts about the fact that you once commanded something. And about the awards in Afghanistan - read the memoirs of those who REALLY were there. A sufficient number of awards were received by pull, well, and for material services, for example, for helping senior officers with the transportation of clothes and electronics, and at the same time drugs in the USSR. Rot in the army was already then. Window dressing instead of training were already then. As for what "fought well." Did these HEROES of yours have a choice? You can’t give up - the dushmans are tormenting you. You can not desert - there is nowhere. Fight badly - they will kill. So your "Heroes" had no choice but to fight normally. And the Banderlogs showed their prowess perfectly in the "Galitchyna" and "Nakhtigal" and in the Sonderkommandos, and in the Bandera underground, and in the Volyn massacre, and in Babi Yar, and in the Lvov Ghetto. I, being a dirty mestizo - mischling, know very well the history of both the people of my Mother - the Russians, and the people of my Father - the Jews. So I don't need to talk about "brave Ukrainians". Kovpak and Kozhedub are rather exceptions, but they were not Ukrainians, they were SOVIET PEOPLE with a capital letter. as well as Ahmet Khan Sultan. Honor them, praise and eternal memory.
                1. Sergey Nikiforov
                  Sergey Nikiforov 23 January 2022 06: 48
                  +1
                  Keep your doubts to yourself, such as whether your wife is walking or not, everything else should not bother you. Intelligibly.? And do not touch the Afghans, but rather come to us on February 15 and tell me what you said to me there
                  1. Baron pardus
                    Baron pardus 23 January 2022 09: 42
                    -4
                    Note that you do not scare me yourself, but with the code of your "Afghans". Your "Afghans" are already, they are 50-55 years old. You see, now there are a lot of divorced and mummer goats, and no less mummers "Afghans". And even fake "veterans" of the Great Patriotic War showed up. I repeat. At home, on the couch behind the keyboard, you can claim that you are both an "Afghan" and a "Cossack" and even a WWI veteran, you can threaten, tear your shirt. Remember "On the Internet, NOBODY knows that you are really a dog," as the American cartoon "Remember, on internet nobody knows that you are really a dog" said a long time ago. So there is less tearing of the shirt on oneself and fingering. Why these jumps ... a man, like a woman, is adorned all the same by modesty. As Ostap Suleiman Berta Maria Bender Bay (son of a Turkish citizen) said to Madame Gritsatsuyeva.
                    1. VORON538
                      VORON538 23 January 2022 14: 18
                      0
                      Quite enough colleagues who passed the 2nd Chechen, .1st, there were also Afghans, but I have never heard bragging about participation in the database from any of them (and on August 2 we just get together and celebrate a bit). But I remember very well one blue pig with major epaulettes, who crawled out into the vestibule of the train and began to demand a cigarette. It didn’t understand from the blue that it was not a conscript, but a civilian standing in front of him, just well-preserved and in uniform (PSC). This was before the contract. Drunk pig in the morning got off the train, silently looking at the ground.
                    2. Sergey Nikiforov
                      Sergey Nikiforov 24 January 2022 22: 16
                      0
                      He lay down, the runaway Jew teaches life
                      1. Baron pardus
                        Baron pardus 24 January 2022 22: 41
                        0
                        Firstly, not a Jew, but Mishling, and according to the Gallaha, I am generally Russian, read books, they rule. Secondly, only in two countries did they bother looking for who was a Jew and who was not a Jew. Only two countries had a "nationality" column. One of these countries was Hitler's Germany. Naturally, when you are looking for "omnipotent" horned-tailed Jews and no less horned-tailed Masons, there is no time left for real deeds, which, looking out the window, we have to observe. So you, "veteran and officer" revealed even more. And teach you. Crap. You need to be taught - Avon what garbage did you get without Stalin. Only my understanding is not enough to teach you. You need Stalin, Mao, Frederick the Great, Bismarck, or Tsao Tsao with Nobunaga. To thoughtfully with meaning drive the right things into your heads, and then not for everyone, but for the most stubborn.
                      2. Sergey Nikiforov
                        Sergey Nikiforov 26 January 2022 10: 48
                        -1
                        You decided to kill me with intellect.? Consider killed By the way, you didn’t say which country was the second, where the nationality column was. When you answer, try to develop the idea further, Why did it happen
                      3. Baron pardus
                        Baron pardus 26 January 2022 19: 12
                        0
                        Note that I didn't start this. The second country where the Nationality count was for the Jews was the Russian Empire and the USSR. For some reason, the Jews "interfere" only in these countries. For some reason, in Italy, Spain, Portugal, Sweden, Denmark, Serbia, Bulgaria, the USA, Canada, and even in the notorious Honduras, there was no "nationality" column. Nazi Germany and the Russian Empire are a great company. I repeat once again - the Prussian Jews faithfully served Frederick. Were his intelligence. Probably because Frederick the Great did not organize pogroms. French Jews served Napoleon without problems. Probably because he considered them FRENCH and not foreigners. For some reason, German Jews fought for Bismarck Kaiser without any problems. and they did not interfere with IM. For some reason, the Jews did not at all prevent England from becoming the greatest empire in the history of Mankind. (Chingiz is resting). For some reason, Feldkurat Otto Katz, having been baptized, was 150% accepted by the Austrian Officers (mostly nobles). Probably because all these countries did not create a ghetto, they made it possible to assimilate. The same Manstein's maiden name was Von LEVITZKY (there is no more Jewish surname, except maybe Katz). I hope you know about Sarah Heydrich. Well, that's why the Jews did not interfere. Only Hitler's Germany and the Russian Empire interfered, but we know how these two countries ended their journey.
                        By the way, under Stalin they were imprisoned for anti-Semitism, and Stalin was going to cancel the Nationality column altogether, according to what I read. By the way, Kaganovich served the same Stalin faithfully like a dog. And Kaganovich did not interfere with Stalin at all. Maybe because NORMAL people like Stalin, Mao (It doesn’t matter what color the cat is, if he is good at catching mice - that’s exactly what MAO said), Frederick the Great, Kaiser, Bismarck knew that if you divide your subjects into categories, you automatically get the 5th column . It is no coincidence that during the WWI, the Jews of the Republic of Ingushetia transmitted intelligence data to Kaiser Germany through relatives and business partners. Maybe it was necessary to do as the British and Germans, and the Austrians, and the Italians, and in general almost all countries of the world did: they gave their Jews the opportunity to assimilate and escape from the cruelest dictates of the rabbinate. Not without reason, after the decrees of Bismarck, the Jews of Germany rushed to leave the ghetto and accept Catholicism. And the German and Austrian rabbis raised a howl (the authorities and the BABLO are leaving). By the way, as the Pope wrote that the most ardent supporters of Catholicism are obtained from newly converted Jews. Who are ready to prove their loyalty and loyalty at ANY cost, up to the persecution of former co-members.
                        By the way, I didn’t try to crush you with my intellect, mr "combat veteran". All the facts that I have outlined are known to ANY person who has completed more than 5 classes and has read more than the Primer.

                        It is quite another thing that 80% of modern Jews are afflicted with a disease called brain liberalism. However, quite a few absolutely non-Jewish youth are struck by the same social cancer - liberalism.

                        Russia is corny unlucky, as well as Italy and Ireland. There simply weren’t 300 more or less calm years, and a tough stable government to accustom the people to order and discipline, as happened in England, Prussia and Austria.
                        Only Russian nobles (elite,) prayed to the "enlightened west" and betrayed and killed their overlords, like banal urks in the gateway. Yes, the kings were executed in England and France, but so that they were meanly killed by their own nobles, no. But, of course, no one looks at this and blames the Jews, Freemasons, Reptilians from Nibiru, anyone except the reflection in the mirror.
                      4. Sergey Nikiforov
                        Sergey Nikiforov 26 January 2022 20: 39
                        -1
                        Well, you also made me get into the history of anti-Semitism. I heard such a thing as a Jewish pogrom. So the first pogroms took place almost at the beginning of the 2th century. And it is very difficult to name countries where this deed did not occur. England, Hungary, Switzerland, France And, mind you, the last pogroms took place already in the 20th century. In no case do I belong to anti-Semites (that's how I was brought up), but the fact is the place to be And now, I unsubscribe to you, offhand remembered the places of my service. seen in ZGV 1989-1994 Why so calm down everything
                      5. Andrey Chizhevsky
                        Andrey Chizhevsky 27 January 2022 21: 39
                        0
                        Learn the materiel. In the Russian Empire there was NO column "nationality" .. It was - religion. And naturally it was written there that this venerable husband is Orthodox .. Or a Mohammedan. Well, or a Jew ..))) laughing
                      6. Baron pardus
                        Baron pardus 27 January 2022 22: 06
                        0
                        I didn't want to go there, but you asked for it. In the Republic of Ingushetia, there was no nationality column. They just staged pogroms, made the Pale of Settlement, and others like them. Well, they got the 5th column, which took the most important part in the destruction of tsarism. But in the USSR, as in Hitler's Germany, the "Nationalist" column WAS .... And they found out who had a Jewish grandmother and who had a grandfather a pirate, only in Nazi Germany, the Russian Empire, and, well, in the USSR. I repeat. In Honduras, no one cares. You go to the blue goga - a Jew. Do not go - not a Jew. Do you want to assimilate - please. I repeat - smart rulers assimilate Jews, see Frederick the Great and Otto von Bismarck - stupid ones drive them into the ghetto, do not allow them to enter universities, make all sorts of quotas, and either arrange pogroms themselves or just stand watching - and quite deservedly receive the 5th column. Even those Jews who would be happy to assimilate cannot. They never forget their origin (Russia, USSR). I repeat - in NORMAL CIVILIZED countries, the shapes of skulls and noses are not measured and do not look for "flaws" in the pedigrees. Only in Nazi Germany, Russia and the USSR.
                      7. Andrey Chizhevsky
                        Andrey Chizhevsky 27 January 2022 23: 22
                        0
                        I don’t remember when we drank on brotherhood - therefore, sir, there is no need for amikoshonstvo. This is the first Second - I wrote about the Russian Empire. Not about the USSR. Read what was written carefully - well, at least think about what was written.
                      8. Baron pardus
                        Baron pardus 27 January 2022 23: 28
                        0
                        I already told one chela here, I'm telling you too. In the USA, and I live here, there is no such concept of "you". Americans say "You" to everyone. They say "Sir" or "Mister" to superiors or respected people. So I think that there is nothing wrong with me addressing you as "you". You are free to do the same. Keep it simple and people will reach out to you. Unfortunately, we are no longer comrades to each other, we are citizens of different countries. So the appeal to "you" is just right. It seems to me that you "didn't get it". I SPECIFICALLY did not want to say anything bad about the USSR, so I focused on the similarity of anti-Semitic habits in the Russian Empire and Nazi Germany. I tried to keep silent about similar habits in the late USSR. I already know everything about this, and "he who has ears, let him hear." But since you yourself rushed to the defense of Khrustobaku, then if you please. Heads, Noses, and hair and eye color were not measured in Italy, Spain, Portugal. They did not measure in Honduras, Chile, Argentina, or even more so in England, Austria, Sweden. Heads of noses and hair color were measured in Hitler's Germany, the Russian Empire and the late USSR. Oh, and in Poland. Magnificent combo. Is not it? Are you satisfied now?
                      9. Andrey Chizhevsky
                        Andrey Chizhevsky 28 January 2022 01: 15
                        0
                        For those who do not understand well, I repeat - it is necessary to study the materiel. And it says - there were no columns "nationality" in pre-revolutionary Russia. That's all I wrote. Isn't it? But if a person has a wild imagination (and maybe a sick one - I'm not an expert here)))) - so he thinks out for himself what his imagination dictates to him. .And here they write and communicate in the great Russian language, and it is so diverse and wide that it does not allow familiarity between strangers. That's all. I wish you good health. Farewell!
                      10. Baron pardus
                        Baron pardus 28 January 2022 02: 36
                        +2
                        You DON'T GET IT. I said about the column "nationality" in the Republic of Ingushetia because I did not want to cast a shadow on the USSR and compare it with Nazi Germany. But you forced me to. As for the "Great and Mighty", in the Russian language, the appeal "you" is also there. Permissible when communicating with equals. It does not provide for familiarity. So far, neither you nor I have shown that one of us is superior in position, rank, education, age, or rank to the other. Therefore, I address you with "you", and, of course, I have no problems when they address me the same way. There are no noblemen among us. Thank the Gods, these useless parasites have long been squandered.
        2. V means B
          V means B 24 January 2022 22: 15
          -1
          I have said and will say again that there is nothing to add here. You can scoff, but because of the ocean you can really see better. And the "outskirts" are really Russian mutants who have been under the Poles for too long, so that they would not talk about the language recognized in 1913, "original" culture, and so on.
      8. Ivan Fokin_2
        Ivan Fokin_2 22 January 2022 19: 31
        -1
        Well then, wait until these brothers and their new friends destroy us.
      9. Vladimir Mashkov
        Vladimir Mashkov 22 January 2022 23: 01
        -11
        Quote: Crimean_2
        How are you going to solve the Ukrainian issue? Fight? Are you out of your mind. Two Slavic peoples will destroy each other to the delight of the same America.

        No war WILL NOT BE! Will fast peace enforcement operation. I think by the end of February. smile
        1. Sergey Nikiforov
          Sergey Nikiforov 22 January 2022 23: 43
          +2
          You yourself will go to force, or you will send a son or a grandson.? There will be shooting and killing
          1. Baron pardus
            Baron pardus 23 January 2022 04: 24
            -1
            In general, no one will be sent to force the Banderlogs to peace. Rather send. A couple of dozen cruise missiles, and a couple of dozen Iskanders with conventional or cluster warheads. Well, if a couple of such missiles fly into the Kiev Sea dam, causing a tsunami that will blow everything 100 kilometers down the Dnieper ... I will not cry. These bastards owe a lot to my family. And for my great-uncle and his family (wife and 3 children) who were hanged not by the Germans, but by the Ukrainians. And for my father, to whom the rector at the Kiev Conservatory shouted "While I'm the rector here, all sorts of Iosifovichi will not study with me," and for every time I was reproached by my father as a Jew and the color of my hair and eyes. And how my uncle, upon entering the KPI, was told "Ukraine needs national cadres. Go to the offensive rotsi." And he went to NOVGOROD where he didn't even have to reprint anything. As well as my dad in Vladimer did not have to reprint anything. Therefore, although I was born and raised in Kiev, I know very well that how RUSSIAN, Belarusians, Georgians and Armenians treated my family - this is one thing. NEVER, these people reproached neither my father with his nationality nor me for being "Dirty Mishling". You understand "Podpokovnik", this is not forgiven. Therefore, even if Batu again passes through Banderlogia together with Genghis, I will not be upset. You see, when in Russia none of my relatives experienced ANY serious anti-Semitism (otherwise my uncle Dima would not have been the deputy head of the doctor of the Krasnoyarsk Military District. My Batya would not have been accepted in Vladimir, and another uncle would not have been accepted in Novgorod. I didn’t I forget. Therefore, I wish the best to RUSSIA. And the misunderstanding called Banderlogia should receive historical justice. It NEVER existed. And should not exist.
            1. Sergey Nikiforov
              Sergey Nikiforov 23 January 2022 07: 24
              +3
              This is something new Krasnoyarsk military district
          2. VORON538
            VORON538 25 January 2022 14: 10
            -1
            Judging by your comments, your son is an active officer of the RA. So, if he is sent, what do you say, what will he do? Will he go over to the ukrovermacht? Or will he act, unlike you, like a real Russian officer? to Poland, it’s understandable. It seems to me that your “mustache has come off” :))) And your whole “legend” is fiction.
            1. Sergey Nikiforov
              Sergey Nikiforov 26 January 2022 10: 15
              +1
              The eldest son, yes, is The order, he will go Only how then will he live with the thought that he essentially killed his own people. As for me, they won’t send me a summons, personally I will explain to people who need this war and in the name why their sons and grandchildren perish.
      10. magdama
        magdama 23 January 2022 16: 29
        0
        Why fight the people? Destroy the Bandera top leadership, weapons control centers, leaders of the national battalions.
      11. EMMM
        EMMM 24 January 2022 01: 12
        -1
        Don't you think that more serious things are at stake than Ukraine?
        The tone is a completely different tone.
      12. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 27 January 2022 11: 28
        +1
        The Russian Federation needs to stop building itself out as a "country according to the rules" ..... and start using the entire arsenal to influence third countries. We need to start interfering in the internal affairs of neighboring countries. And create inconvenience for Western countries in third countries.
      13. Andrey Chizhevsky
        Andrey Chizhevsky 27 January 2022 21: 33
        0
        Why fight? It is enough to simply stop ALL trade operations with the former Ukrainian SSR. This also applies to the "father" with his collective farm cunning - both yours and ours .. But now there is a real threat of the start of a war - because this is what the real owners of this former republic of the USSR, which has become a poor colony, passionately desire.
      14. Egor-dis
        Egor-dis 27 January 2022 23: 45
        0
        Quote: Crimean_2
        Fight? Are you out of your mind. Two Slavic peoples will destroy each other
        Some part of the compactly living population of Ukraine completely denies the relationship of these Slavic peoples. As well as a certain number of citizens sitting compactly in separate buildings in Kiev. Precise strikes against these buildings, and slightly less targeted strikes against some particularly hard-nosed regions, will change the balance in favor of Russian-speaking and pro-Russian citizens suffering from covert genocide and forced Ukrainization.
    2. silver_roman
      silver_roman 22 January 2022 13: 06
      +3
      The issue should definitely be resolved, but not by a direct military clash. This is exactly what most Western cattle are waiting for and craving. It would be an extremely stupid decision to do what the enemy expects from you, when all his logic is built around this, Ukraine is pumped up with weapons. I imagine the British will clap their hands, the Americans in the face of some Poles will clap their hands ... the latter will also chop off a piece of Ukraine. 2 pieces of the same people cut each other's throats. Ideally. So it's time to return Ukraine home, it should have been done back in the 14th, but the moment was loved irresponsibly.
    3. Garris199
      Garris199 23 January 2022 03: 01
      0
      The sooner to do it
      Yep, like in 2014. It does not fit in my head, how they did not use this moment in the Kremlin. The strongest blow was missed.
      1. Baron pardus
        Baron pardus 27 January 2022 22: 07
        +1
        Ubo umishko poor. And what else to expect when the country is ruled by oligarchs - former gangsters?
    4. Sloboda0
      Sloboda0 24 January 2022 22: 27
      0
      It’s easier for you to destroy Voronezh if you have such a desire to destroy something. There will be fewer problems.
      And so, the West spent a lot of time and effort on the formation here not only of the mentality but also of the system. While the Chernomyrdins and other Zurabovs were sitting here from the Russian Federation. At the same time, deposits in the Russian Federation itself were signed off to Medvedchuk's wife, etc. etc.
      The effect is clear.
      Here, in general, the most normal option is to somehow isolate the United States from the former Ukrainian SSR for a long time and wait. Without their infusions, it will dissipate a little on its own.
      Then you can already do something.
      All other options are a conflict story with subsequent confrontation with the USA in Great Britain and ALL of their colonies. And this is not even a dozen countries.
      The Union could well afford it.
      But the Russian Federation is unlikely. Especially in its current state.
    5. Sahalinets
      Sahalinets 25 January 2022 04: 23
      0
      What we really need is to develop our own country! In the meantime, we are only a raw materials appendage of the West, and now also of China, and are practically in complete technological dependence, and even in agriculture ... Well, what's the point of waving a club?
    6. Bolkonsky
      Bolkonsky 25 January 2022 14: 44
      0
      Why is the issue of Ukraine so much of concern? It seems to me that in this way they want to redirect our attention from internal problems that they do not solve to those that we do not need. Cheap show-offs. Let Ukraine join anywhere. Why don't we take care of our own problems. Look at the facts and figures - the purchasing power of the population has been falling for the 8th year in a row. But some boobies still believe that NATO and the US want to destroy us and enslave us. Bullshit dog and cock droppings
  2. Far B
    Far B 22 January 2022 06: 07
    +41
    Ultimatum is just the beginning
    What is the beginning? Which way? An ultimatum - that's what an ultimatum is for, to work according to a strict "he said - cut off" scheme. He said - a month for an answer, which means a month, not half an hour more. If the conditions of the ultimatum are not met, other, more stringent steps follow (which, in fact, are also prescribed in the ultimatum so that the enemy knows what threatens him). And "Putin's ultimatum" - it's like "Putin's plan" - seems to be there, but it seems to be non-existent. The month given to the West to respond has passed (and not the "deadline is approaching", if according to the author) - that's it, the conditions of the ultimatum have not been met, the time for tougher measures (and not the usual practice of "shifting deadlines to the right", which, in fact, is a sign complete impotence of the "ultimator"). But there are none, these measures ... Because they were not thought out from the very beginning. Deployment of missiles in Latin America? Return of Lourdes? Yes, for mercy - what side is this to the ultimatum? Our vigorous planes flew to Venezuela without any ultimatums - and nothing.
    On the other hand, the putriots got the opportunity to relish yelling, which they are still doing - safely not noticing the fact that the deadline for responding to the ultimatum, as it were, has passed a little ... And how many important comments there were in December in the style: "Let's wait until January 14 - you will see for yourself how Omeriga will lay the bricks!" Wow, it's already the 22nd...
    1. Pessimist22
      Pessimist22 22 January 2022 06: 38
      -28
      It is clear that the ultimator is impotent, but what do you propose to do in this case?
      1. Far B
        Far B 22 January 2022 07: 05
        +22
        What do you propose to do in this case?
        Are you sure you've reached the right address? What is it I have to offer something in this case? That I have the appropriate authority to do so? If I am endowed with such powers, then they somehow forgot to report to me about the endowment laughing
        1. Pessimist22
          Pessimist22 22 January 2022 07: 16
          -19
          As S.P. Korolev said: If you criticize someone else's, offer your own! Or did you just decide to fart towards the authorities and earn pluses here? Everyone understands that a month has passed, and negotiations continue.
          1. Far B
            Far B 22 January 2022 07: 31
            +31
            Criticize someone else, offer your own!
            What did you tie it to? Do you think if I criticize the hairdresser for a shitty haircut - I will be obliged to teach him how to use a typewriter? Or, if the tailor sews me a shitty suit - I will have to be silent in a rag, because I don't have anything to offer on this? A S.P. Korolev, if he said such a phrase, then in relation to colleagues - those who had both sufficient knowledge and sufficient authority. If you don't have enough intelligence to understand it - well, it happens. Though infrequently.
            And yes: to express my opinion on something in discussions - I still have the authority to do so. So be patient laughing
            1. Pessimist22
              Pessimist22 22 January 2022 07: 40
              -25
              Well, in this case, do you have sufficient knowledge and information to criticize, as you put it, a "completely impotent ultimator"? And yes, negotiations are still ongoing.
              1. Far B
                Far B 22 January 2022 07: 54
                +24
                And yes, negotiations are still ongoing.
                Yes, yes, the deadlines are shifting to the right, everything is familiar. Only this is exactly what I wrote in the first post, you just did not understand what you read.
                Well, in this case, do you have sufficient knowledge and information to criticize, as you put it, a "completely impotent ultimator"?
                Absolutely. Because I criticize the actions of the "ultimator", not the ultimatum. I thought and still think that issuing such an "ultimatum" (which, as it was initially clear, would not be carried out), and even with such a resonance in the media, is only a game for the public. As for the document itself, by the way, I personally have no questions.
                ... Can I criticize priests for hypocrisy, money-grubbing, etc., if I don't know a damn thing about theology?
                1. Pessimist22
                  Pessimist22 22 January 2022 08: 21
                  -20
                  Well, if negotiations continue, then it’s too early to draw conclusions and shout that everything is lost ...
                  1. Far B
                    Far B 22 January 2022 08: 40
                    +27
                    Well, if negotiations continue
                    So it was not an ultimatum. And the word "ultimatum" is used solely for the greatest pathos, so that everyone will once again admire the greatness of the unsurpassed geostrategist, rally around him and show understanding. No, it's disgusting, really. Someone once said that patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel, and it is extremely unpleasant for me that I have lived to such a time when I personally observe the correctness of this thesis. True, in our reality, "patriotism" = "putriotism", because "Putin is our advantage, and we must protect it" and "There is Putin - there is Russia, if there is no Putin - there is no Russia." As a result, we have fierce insanity in the style: "If you are against Putin, then you are not a patriot of Russia" and other perverted quirks of an unhealthy consciousness. And so that there are more putriots, and so that their ardor does not fade away, such loud stuffing is done. In 2008, it was the ever-memorable "Putin's plan" (what was left of it, who smoked it?), now it's "Putin's ultimatum" (I suspect with the same fate as the notorious "plan").
                    1. Pessimist22
                      Pessimist22 22 January 2022 09: 02
                      -22
                      What kind of nonsense are you talking about? Ultimatum, Putin, putriots, everything is gone, negotiations are underway on the security of Russia with the United States, they have not yet ended, it is too early to draw conclusions, all the more whine that everything is gone, your behavior is similar to alarmism.
                      1. aybolyt678
                        aybolyt678 22 January 2022 10: 28
                        +5
                        Quote: Pessimist22
                        it’s too early to draw conclusions, especially to whine that everything is gone,

                        Under Putin, the country was entangled with Pipes, the gap between the rich and the poor widened. Social elevators disappear. The confrontation that we are seeing is not Russia and America, but the Russian rich and the American financial system. Rich people don't want to be dependent. The main task of today's government is to pretend to be the Motherland. Amers do the same. Therefore, somewhere in Alaska they will create an incident, pour blood over it and remain with their pipes ...
                      2. V means B
                        V means B 22 January 2022 19: 02
                        +4
                        And yet the deadline was until the 14th))))
                    2. Denis812
                      Denis812 22 January 2022 11: 05
                      0
                      Neither Putin nor Lavrov used the word ultimatum even once.
                      This word came from the West, where the Kremlin's proposals were so perceived.
                      Excellent word with the right negative connotation.
                      1. victor50
                        victor50 22 January 2022 13: 48
                        +4
                        Quote: Denis812
                        Neither Putin nor Lavrov used the word ultimatum even once.

                        We make demands, set a deadline, hint at the negative consequences in case of non-acceptance of the requirements - what do you think? laughing
                      2. Denis812
                        Denis812 25 January 2022 09: 44
                        -1
                        I said that the very word ULTIMATUM was not uttered by us, but by the West.
                      3. V means B
                        V means B 22 January 2022 19: 03
                        +5
                        And why are our media so seized on this word?
                    3. victor50
                      victor50 22 January 2022 13: 44
                      +1
                      Quote: Dalny V
                      So it was not an ultimatum. And the word "ultimatum" is used solely for the greatest pathos, so that everyone will again admire the greatness of the unsurpassed geostrategist, rally around him and show understanding. No, it's disgusting, really. Someone once said that patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel, and it is extremely unpleasant for me that I have lived to such a time when I personally observe the correctness of this thesis. Rights

                      I think exactly the same, but I could not express it like you. hi
                  2. aybolyt678
                    aybolyt678 22 January 2022 10: 12
                    -12
                    Quote: Pessimist22
                    Well, if negotiations continue, then it’s too early to draw conclusions and shout that everything is lost ...

                    The very fact that they are talking to America in an ultimatum form puts it in a not very position ... Our side says that we are not in rank to fight with Ukraine, we would have to compete with the leader - America! They still remember Vietnam
                2. Palmyra
                  Palmyra 22 January 2022 11: 25
                  -4
                  I agree with you completely. But still, an ultimatum for such a coalition as the West, and not just the United States, is a shock. Here you can remember the saying, the force of action is equal to the force of reaction. That is, they should be given a little time to come to their senses and think about it. For anyone, the ultimatum will cause the first desire, immediately "insert into the scoreboard." Perhaps there is another reason, the Olympics in China, which they are unlikely to want to spoil an ally. And then we'll see...)
          2. victor50
            victor50 22 January 2022 13: 41
            +6
            Quote: Pessimist22
            As S.P. Korolev said: If you criticize someone else's, offer your own! Or did you just decide to fart towards the authorities and earn pluses here?

            You are farting here. And this phrase has already got it - it is used when there are no arguments, but you want to show loyalty to the authorities. Maybe sincerely, or maybe out of duty. Have you tried to refute at least one argument of your opponent?
          3. sniperino
            sniperino 22 January 2022 19: 47
            -1
            Quote: Pessimist22
            Or you just decided to fart in the direction of power and earn pluses
            Do you attribute the ability to make decisions to the participants coming to VO only for this? Optimist.
    2. Serg Kam
      Serg Kam 22 January 2022 08: 05
      +10
      If the conditions of the ultimatum are not met, other, more stringent steps follow.

      You don't understand, the steps have already been taken.
      Extremely tough.
      True, they are secret and it is impossible to know about them not only for you and me, but even for the addressee.
      And the very fact of applying tough steps is also a mystery. The unknown is always scarier. NATO lives and does not know that it has already been punished. Imagine how they can live with it now?
      1. Far B
        Far B 22 January 2022 08: 15
        +12
        True, they are secret and it is impossible to know about them not only for you and me, but even for the addressee.
        I will even say more - even the one who walked these steps cannot know about them. And the one who invented them to walk. No, well, this is brilliant, damn it!
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 22 January 2022 10: 15
          +2
          the soul is pleased with the change of rhetoric .. you look and we will reach the solution of real problems
      2. V means B
        V means B 22 January 2022 19: 06
        0
        Only now they do not hide their steps towards us, and our markets with rubles are falling, and we have everything in secrecy.))) )
    3. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 22 January 2022 08: 28
      +11
      The article is another transfusion "from empty to empty". True, no one remembers the dates anymore.
      1. Evil543
        Evil543 22 January 2022 08: 41
        +3
        But it seems to me that the main thing is not the negotiations between Russia and the United States. And then whether Russia will win China over to its side
      2. lis-ik
        lis-ik 22 January 2022 10: 18
        +10
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        The article is another transfusion "from empty to empty". True, no one remembers the dates anymore.

        So this is Staver, he does not know how otherwise, only clumsy propaganda and nothing more.
        1. Dart
          Dart 22 January 2022 13: 26
          -9
          But you are a Zhovtoblakite craftsman, you can see it from a mile away, a sufferer for communism laughing
          1. lis-ik
            lis-ik 22 January 2022 13: 51
            +2
            Quote: Dart
            But you are a Zhovtoblakite craftsman, you can see it from a mile away, a sufferer for communism laughing

            Is it hard to be distant?
            1. Dart
              Dart 22 January 2022 15: 09
              -8
              according to Freud, you transfer your shortcomings onto others.
    4. Lair
      Lair 22 January 2022 10: 32
      -13
      Quote: Dalny V
      On the other hand, the putriots got the opportunity to relish yelling, which they are still doing - safely not noticing the fact that the deadline for responding to the ultimatum, as it were, has passed a little ... And how many important comments there were in December in the style: "Let's wait until January 14 - you will see for yourself how Omeriga will lay the bricks!" Wow, it's already the 22nd...

      Do you want to make war with the brotherly people? Forward to the recruiting office, but rather to Wagner. And do not worry - the war will be very soon, but you will not like its consequences at all.
    5. Hypertension
      Hypertension 22 January 2022 12: 25
      +8
      Quote: Dalny V
      But there are none, these measures ... Because they were not thought out from the very beginning.

      That's what gives me the spirit,
      That I, absolutely without a fight,
      I can get into big bully.
  3. However, dear
    However, dear 22 January 2022 06: 53
    +1
    Yes, everything is already clear. it was a test with an ultimatum: like, what if you try like that? everyone has said it all. everyone got ready. Of course, no one wants to fight. there is no surprise factor. costs stated. there are no advantages from the collision with Ukraine now. Well, they recognize the LDNR, they will listen to concerns on this topic. Well, now the troops will remain in Belarus. everything, perhaps. then the withdrawal of troops will begin. they will say, well, we always said that we were not going to invade anywhere, but you are there, west, do not indulge, otherwise we will hit you.
    1. However, dear
      However, dear 23 January 2022 01: 53
      -2
      [media=https://www.gazeta.ru/politics/2022/01/22/14448535.shtml?updated]

      In short, everyone can relax. End of alarm. And Uncle Xi asked. Well, you have to be respectful. The Olympics. Otherwise, keep me seven.

  4. Sergey Nikiforov
    Sergey Nikiforov 22 January 2022 06: 59
    +23
    I recently earned a second warning from the moderators here for naming the author of one article who called for a forceful solution of problems with Ukraine Called him by his own name, that is, what he deserved But along the way we have a lot of such warriors I would like to know from the like, they at least imagine how bullets fly overhead.? Believe me, it’s scary, very much And on the topic of the article Here, too, the author proposes a forceful solution to the issue Looks like extra money According to the law, a public call for war is 300000 rubles a fine I understand the author’s desire to present everything in the best light And the West is afraid of us and America is not the same, like in We showed Syria And what did we show.? As far as I remember, when parts of some PMC poked their head into the oil regions, they chopped them up into cabbages and no apologies. In principle, this will be the case with our ultimatum. The presence of nuclear weapons and a vast territory does not yet indicate the greatness of the state. Common truth, create economic conditions in the country, and only then, as they say, fingers like a fan And then I was here for two days like doctors and pharmacies, it became scary from the prices of medicines The usual regnant of the foot is 850 rubles, but this is on paper, and if on film, then 1000 There are no good words About stores in general I am silent Travel by minibus was 23 became 30 What ultimatums? Yes, of course they will send us beautifully, but they will send us And we won’t do anything about it until we deal with people, the economy not in words but in deeds Meanwhile, in 2021, the export of capital from Russia increased by 40% and amounted to 73 billion dollars
    1. Million
      Million 22 January 2022 08: 59
      +13
      yes, Putin has already fulfilled the ultimatum - he hit the Russians with a price increase! ...
  5. nikvic46
    nikvic46 22 January 2022 07: 05
    +6
    In politics, in sports, in culture, we have plunged into that world where justice and equal interests are simply laughed at in a fist above the words. For ten years, the head of our state said, "God. Bless America." Censorship cut off anti-American articles. After Ukraine left for the western flank, an understanding of all the tragic things that we had done began. did not leave the lips of the Russian beau monde. Russia is no longer the Soviet Union.
  6. Pashhenko Nikolay
    Pashhenko Nikolay 22 January 2022 07: 12
    +21
    They robbed, robbed the country, and now you see they have nowhere to retreat. Be understanding.
    1. alone
      alone 22 January 2022 08: 29
      +10
      Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
      They robbed, robbed the country, and now you see they have nowhere to retreat

      That’s the problem, those who robbed, they have somewhere to retreat .. It’s not for nothing that the loot is taken abroad .. They have everything already set up there .. but talking about the war, everything can end with Voronezh, as in a joke ..
  7. Oleg133
    Oleg133 22 January 2022 07: 16
    +17
    I won't go to war. I don't have a mask, I don't have a code.
    The Russian Federation, now, is introducing 3-4 new fines per month, new price tags in shops and housing and communal services. What if I help her...
  8. Gardamir
    Gardamir 22 January 2022 07: 22
    +16
    You won't understand anything. Ultimums are a new, more powerful weapon. Works well against sofa troops.
    I am here in connection with the events in Kazakhstan. allowed himself a test of patriotism. What a hysteria broke out, but I'm a vile State Department official, I dared to demand something from the best president. And I just thought, what if something is required for Russians living in Kazakhstan, what if it will be useful for Russia. But they didn’t get in and out, they just spent gasoline ..
    1. Andrey Moskvin
      Andrey Moskvin 22 January 2022 08: 43
      0
      Came in and out. rotation method. laughing
    2. victor50
      victor50 22 January 2022 13: 54
      +2
      Quote: Gardamir
      But they didn’t get in and out, they just spent gasoline ..

      + + + + hi
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  10. Region39KGD
    Region39KGD 22 January 2022 07: 51
    0
    The world elites are playing the performance of "the agony of the old world order" in order to build a new one without national borders on the ruins of the old.
    1. silviu
      silviu 22 January 2022 08: 47
      +2
      a world without borders and only one army in the world - its own
  11. alone
    alone 22 January 2022 08: 16
    +19
    In the current situation, there is one fundamental difference between the two systems .. if the Americans and their oligarchy rob strangers, then the Russian one primarily robs its own and transports the loot abroad .. hi
  12. domokl
    22 January 2022 08: 26
    -15
    I read the first 20 comments. But the TV works. Especially Western. Smart, thinking people, but they have sunk to the point of view that is beneficial to the West. Who is shouting about the attack on Ukraine? Has something changed in the Russian position? As it was, "the question of statehood in the event of an attack on the Donbass," remains so. Has anyone heard anything else from the president or the ministers? Talk about the security of the Russian Federation. And this is, first of all, the United States in Europe. Not even NATO. Sorry, I could not stand it, I changed my own principle of non-interference in the discussion ...
    1. Sergey Nikiforov
      Sergey Nikiforov 22 January 2022 09: 39
      +18
      What does Western TV have to do with it.? Our native state has done everything to ensure that smart people have their own position that all this fuss and all ultimatums are started for several reasons. First, to distract people from internal problems. danger, everything for the front, everything for victory What kind of fight against inflation.? What are you.? We are in the ring of enemies and further according to the knurled scenario and the second, the election 24 loomed, and here the image of an unbending fighter against the machinations of the damned West, just in time. Here are the main reasons for these movements
    2. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 22 January 2022 10: 05
      -11
      Alexander, what did you want? I watch the same discussion, they are not visible on purely military topics. True, they sometimes appear to blur the topic. we are against "Putinism" and its government, we are being robbed and everything is being taken abroad. According to the article. I share your concern about how we will solve the problem of Ukraine and NATO that has become overbearing. it’s all war. The president always flew by plane, well, in a very full complement of government aircraft. And we don’t seem to live, and we even try to teach the presumptuous West something. your pocket for every occasion.
      1. Asad
        Asad 22 January 2022 11: 23
        +12
        Why can't I look into my empty pocket? My employer looks at the indexation of wages without enthusiasm. And the dollar at 75-80 does not add optimism. Only those with dementia can decide to attack Russia.
      2. V means B
        V means B 22 January 2022 19: 17
        +5
        Of course, you are right by 146% That's just Putin with his ministers, and the deputies do not look malnourished, although who knows, maybe these are the miracles of modern television)), and every time I receive my monthly salary, I solve the rebus of what I need the least medicine , food, clothing, to pay all mandatory payments and fees.
      3. Dart
        Dart 22 January 2022 19: 26
        +1
        Sergey, of course, VO is no longer the cake that he was ten years ago. All sound sites are monitored by various cyber units from there and are infected by "officer's daughters" as soon as the resource becomes popular.
        And it doesn’t matter that the visitors for the most part are still adequate here, the most important thing is to create an informational background with “this”, and if not to sway opinions, then to spoil pretty much.
        Visitors and readers of the site in their mass are inert, and get by with minuses / pluses and rare comments, but these frolic with might and main, with the mania of graphomaniacs.
        1. Vasia
          Vasia 22 January 2022 20: 04
          +5
          Quote: Dart
          All healthy sites are monitored by various cyber units from there and are infected by "officer's daughters" as soon as the resource becomes popular.

          Why are there “daughters”, “comrades” related to this resource are regularly published here, with the corresponding cheap propaganda writings. And yes, the resource is steadily enriched with bot farms, they work in influxes, on command, it is especially noticeable before important events.
    3. Cat Kuzya
      Cat Kuzya 22 January 2022 17: 53
      +3
      People rolled? Or was someone "rolled" them up to this with such a "smart", domestic policy? "Pasta", "didn't ask to give birth", "go into business", "no money, but you stay there, all the best to you"? It turns out that people themselves rolled down, yeah. Slaves do not appreciate what the masters do for them.
  13. silviu
    silviu 22 January 2022 08: 40
    0
    the time has passed when Gorbachev and Yeltsin handed over their positions just like that because of their stupidity and meanness. And now what is the argument of war)) They are not afraid for Ukraine, and Russia does not dare with them
  14. Alexander Ra
    Alexander Ra 22 January 2022 09: 31
    -2
    A new path will begin when the government of Russia gets rid of marginality (duality) - and arrange life according to Western rules, skimming the cream in a narrow circle, closing itself off from the people, and being in the field of this people, as if having obligations to them. How much sovereignty, how much collaborationism? In Russia, for 30 years, the processes of dissimilation-decay prevail, in China at this time - assimilation-growth. The support of management in our country is "employers" and officials. But not the people, it is desubjectivized, although in essence it has been like this for 1000 years, but for the first time, since the 90s, the organic nature of the state has been significantly eliminated - the information "support" is all "directly from the West", there is no nationality proper, but to live by someone else's rules - it is the assimilation of us by these strangers. Conclusion: in order to survive, we need nationally oriented management, learn how to protect our own, and not “patiently” surrender everything and everything.
  15. Adagka
    Adagka 22 January 2022 09: 51
    +11
    So the Yankees have already said that they don't care about these ultimatums. So what will the bunker do now, fight? This is a very funny joke
    1. aglet
      aglet 22 January 2022 10: 12
      +3
      "Well, what will the bunker do now, fight?"
      no, express concern
  16. Stils
    Stils 22 January 2022 10: 06
    +10
    Both Chinese vaccines are recognized by WHO in 2021.
    But in general, the article is nothing new.
  17. Lair
    Lair 22 January 2022 10: 27
    0
    Quote: Lair
    Two Slavic peoples will destroy each other to the delight of the same America

    Thank you for your comment. I, too, keep saying that Russians should not fight each other.
    1. olgherd
      olgherd 22 January 2022 10: 41
      -7
      Slavs! = Russians.
    2. silviu
      silviu 23 January 2022 08: 24
      +1
      The bill on the supply of weapons and military equipment to Ukraine under Lend-Lease entered the US Senate - Two Slavic peoples will destroy each other a America get rich-Jewish welcome
  18. Lair
    Lair 22 January 2022 10: 39
    +1
    Quote: Sergey Nikiforov
    First, to distract people from internal problems You have to work on internal problems, infringe on your loved one External problems are easier Fatherland is in danger, everything for the front, everything for victory What kind of fight against inflation.? What are you.? We are in the ring of enemies and further according to the knurled scenario and the second, the election 24 loomed, and here the image of an unbending fighter against the machinations of the damned West, just in time. Here are the main reasons for these movements

    Unfortunately, everything is much more complicated. And because of our demands on NATO, we have already received huge problems - a new "cold war" has begun, a massive transfer of Western weapons to Ukraine is underway, the entire Western world has risen against Russia. And we do not have a single ally, even Belarus does not support us .... I understand that most readers cannot assess the consequences of the December initiatives of the GDP towards NATO, but remember how the Cold War ended for the USSR? collapse. It will end the same for Russia, but due to the fact that we have no allies (the whole of Eastern Europe was behind the USSR), everything will end faster.
    1. olgherd
      olgherd 22 January 2022 10: 45
      -2
      There is one more here. Now the aircraft are being transferred from the Far East and Siberia to the west. What a reason for Chinese friends to take advantage of this and send an army somewhere in the Amur region to protect the Chinese-speaking population.
    2. Sergey Nikiforov
      Sergey Nikiforov 22 January 2022 11: 11
      0
      This is already a consequence
  19. Lair
    Lair 22 January 2022 11: 23
    -8
    Quote: Dalny V
    I thought and still think that issuing such an "ultimatum" (which, as it was initially clear, would not be carried out), and even with such a resonance in the media, is only a game for the public.

    The presentation of these NATO requirements led to a new "cold war", accelerated armament of Ukraine and the development of new sanctions, the fall of the ruble, the market, etc. And do you still think that it was made to play in public? Has everyone gone crazy in the Russian government? I think that the authorities nevertheless decided to close the issue with Ukraine by military means, this is the most logical explanation for these extraordinary actions.
    1. Sergey Nikiforov
      Sergey Nikiforov 22 January 2022 11: 41
      +2
      The image of the DPRK warms the soul.?
  20. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 22 January 2022 11: 46
    +5
    Our demands are not feasible for the US. Of course, with this attack, we somewhat discouraged them, because we forced the side, which loves to spread the tree about global security, to plunge into the problems of our security. But they won’t give us anything serious for this - I see a wording like “we won’t accept Ukraine into NATO without a popular referendum” as the ceiling.
    It must be understood that for Americans, the issue of "Right" in foreign policy relations has always been more important than the issue of "Legitimacy". They cannot say that Ukraine does not deserve Prava.
  21. Escobar
    Escobar 22 January 2022 12: 17
    +9
    We don't have to fight. The United States can prohibit its partners from supplying microelectronics, machine tools, complex chemical raw materials and many other high-tech goods to Russia. Take a look around, are there many things around you made in Russia? And even if it is made here, the machines on which these goods are made, whose production? "We will buy everything for petrodollars in the West."
    One hope for China.
    1. Region39KGD
      Region39KGD 22 January 2022 12: 29
      +6
      Replace one total addiction with another.
    2. V means B
      V means B 22 January 2022 19: 21
      +3
      Bad hope for him.
  22. p0pulivox
    p0pulivox 22 January 2022 12: 38
    +9
    First of all, we are talking about Russia. About whether Russia will be tomorrow.
    We are not talking about the seizure of territories, the collapse of our state or the removal of President Putin from the post.
    And about the place of Russia in the world. On the role of Russia in world politics.
    About whether Moscow will accept the world leadership of the United States and recognize the NATO bloc as the main guarantor of global security, or will it achieve the return of NATO troops to the borders that were before 1997. Thus, it will secure its own borders from a surprise attack.
    In my opinion, today Moscow and Washington have completely opposite goals.
    ...
    From here, from the end of 2020 - the beginning of 2021, in my opinion, a new era begins. The era of Russia's return to the number of leading countries.
    ...
    In my opinion, the US will not agree to Russia's terms. The question has been put too concretely and too radically by the Kremlin.
    ...
    Russia has repeatedly spoken about a military and military-technical response. I think we will see this answer soon.
    Paphos + "serious" conclusions that ignore the deep ditch between reality and desires / slogans. Ordinary propaganda for jingoistic patriots and narrow-minded people ...
  23. lot
    lot 22 January 2022 12: 38
    -12
    Well, a surprisingly balanced analytical article. Respect to the author. Moderator too.
    However, the situation reminds me more of the imperial graters of the powers of the early 20th century, which Vladimir Ilyich analyzed in detail in his work Imperialism, as the highest stage of capitalism, 1916.
    The epoch of modern capitalism shows us that certain relations are developing between the capitalist unions on the basis of the economic division of the world, and next to this, in this connection, between political unions, states, certain relations are formed on the basis of the territorial division of the world, the struggle for colonies, the “struggle for the economic territory ".

    Refreshing your favorite quotes is not difficult online.
    So, "we swam - we know":

    Russia's problem is not that it can't feed the poor, but that the rich can't get drunk...©
  24. p0pulivox
    p0pulivox 22 January 2022 12: 57
    +7
    For the Russian Federation, approximately the last 25 years, and this is a quarter of a century, is to a much greater extent a time of missed opportunities than achievements. The volume and quality of the tasks solved in the areas of the economy, social sphere, defense and foreign policy did not meet the requirements of the time. As a result, we have come to the current situation. Therefore, the demands put forward by the Russian Federation, which were not based on sufficient resources, could not "stimulate" anyone to take into account our interests and, on the contrary, led, at a minimum, to a demonstrative rallying of the collective West ...
  25. rocket757
    rocket757 22 January 2022 13: 08
    0
    Ultimatum is just the beginning
    . To predict the paths of politicians .... everything seems to be clear, they are following a well-worn track, but there may be unexpected ups and downs!
  26. Operator
    Operator 22 January 2022 13: 19
    -19
    Why should we strike a balance if we are the most militarily strongest in the world?

    Using your advantage (and even against the backdrop of a pandemic), it is necessary to recreate the national Russian state within the borders of 1914 (plus South Sakhalin, the Kuriles, Tuva and minus Poland), and not sprinkle ashes on the head about the Jewish project of the USSR, which was needed only by the Jews themselves .
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 22 January 2022 13: 57
      +6
      An ingenious plan to start a war with all of Europe.
      1. Operator
        Operator 22 January 2022 21: 41
        -15
        We have enough thermonuclear charges to start and end a war with the whole world in our favor. Fuck whether we that Europe?
    2. Revival
      Revival 22 January 2022 23: 11
      +5
      "Why should we strike a balance if we are the most militarily strongest in the world?"

      ))))))))))
  27. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 22 January 2022 13: 27
    -3
    In my opinion, today Moscow and Washington have completely opposite goals.

    By recognizing Russia's demands on the NATO bloc, the United States will immediately confirm that Russia has the leading role in Europe, and not the United States. The Americans will never agree to such conditions, all their efforts for 77 years will be in vain. So much effort and money was invested in the collapse of the USSR and the Soviet bloc, will be in vain.
    The hegemon will disappear in Europe, and there the entire Near and Far East will leave from under their influence. They will be able to make small concessions by not admitting Ukraine and Georgia to NATO, but no more.
  28. 1536
    1536 22 January 2022 13: 53
    0
    In my opinion, there can only be two scenarios.
    First, the game is on to prove to all of us that everything possible has been done to deter the aggression of NATO and the United States, but, you see, it did not work out, since we have no strength. Therefore, take it for granted, relax and enjoy what will happen next, especially since nothing will change for you, except that you no longer have to live in your own country.
    Second, far from everyone knows what Russia can oppose to the desire of the United States and Western countries to drive our country into the Stone Age. Therefore, demands obviously unrealizable for them were put forward, so that, having refused now, after some time they themselves requested negotiations on the non-expansion of NATO, stopped the occupation of Ukraine, boorish diktat and, most importantly, Russian business interests were on a par with business interests other developed countries in those sectors where there is clear discrimination and unfair competition today.
    I personally like the second scenario, I always want to think about the best.
    1. lopvlad
      lopvlad 22 January 2022 15: 57
      0
      Quote: 1536
      In my opinion, there can only be two scenarios.


      both of which are fantastic.

      The first one is
      Quote: 1536
      there is a game going on to prove to all of us that everything possible has been done to deter the aggression of NATO and the United States, but, you see, it did not work out, since we do not have the strength.

      fantastically suicidal. And it looks as if you called the most healthy gopnik in the area to a showdown in the alley, telling everyone about how you will tear him up and when it came to a fight, you were frankly pissed off. It is naive to think that after that someone in the area will treat you Seriously.

      The second one is fabulous
      Quote: 1536
      Therefore, obviously unrealistic demands were put forward for them,


      since the demands put forward are quite feasible. What is the impracticability of the requirements for the non-admission of Ukraine and Georgia to NATO, especially since the NATO Charter states that countries with unresolved territorial claims cannot be admitted to the alliance? That in Georgia and in Ukraine there are unresolved territorial claims and in fact what is required of NATO is to comply with the provisions of its own charter. The very fact that Ukraine and Georgia are not admitted to NATO automatically becomes thereby not expanding NATO to the East.
      The main demand of Russia to the West concerns only Ukraine, where the minimum is indicated that Russia is ready to go, namely, the neutral status of Ukraine outside the bloc
  29. Vadim Krymov
    Vadim Krymov 22 January 2022 14: 18
    +12
    An ultimatum is when you respond to the failure to fulfill your demand with the action that you warned about.
    And what did Russia “warn” NATO and the USA about, so that their sphinker would shrink? Nobody really knows...
    This is, firstly…

    Secondly, NATO and the US are simply "putting the device" on the ultimatum - and then what will the "Kremlin boys" do? Chatter Zakharova express another concern?
    Chapiteau ... Or a circus?

    To begin with, the American dollar would be “won” inside Russia, and then they would issue ultimatums… Or enemas?
    1. V means B
      V means B 22 January 2022 19: 25
      +5
      Shapito circus.
      1. Vadim Krymov
        Vadim Krymov 22 January 2022 19: 40
        -1
        The circus tent assumes clown performances in its arena. If the ultimatum is a circus against the "Russian public", then who are the clowns? And if this is a big top for a “foreign audience”, then whose clowns are funnier? However, the dilemma...
        1. V means B
          V means B 22 January 2022 20: 08
          +3
          Yes, clowns are obvious, only they are in expensive business suits, and even ride abroad at our expense.
          1. Vadim Krymov
            Vadim Krymov 22 January 2022 20: 21
            0
            Yes, you are right: we and “they” are parallel universes. And these universes can intersect, due to the curvature of "social space", only at the "point of war". We have nothing to lose at this point, except for life - nothing. “They” also lose the “golden toilet bowls”. Therefore, there will be no global war - "they" will not go for it. So “they” in the international tent circus will have a permanent performance with variations called: “Don’t sit on my potty!” ...mmm... that is, a toilet bowl encrusted with diamonds, rubies and accompanied by toilet paper in the form of "currency rolls".
            1. Vasia
              Vasia 22 January 2022 22: 10
              -4
              Quote: Vadim Krymov
              “They” also lose “golden toilets”

              I heard only about one "golden toilet bowl", but no one ever saw or showed it. Lost in the annals
              that is, a toilet bowl encrusted with diamonds, rubies and accompanied by toilet paper in the form of "currency rolls"

              You are directly obsessed with toilet bowls and luxury., More precisely, with luxurious toilet bowls, well, at least show what you are talking about ... - who will be the most insulting to lose?
              1. Vadim Krymov
                Vadim Krymov 23 January 2022 08: 59
                +2
                The toilet bowls are the “form of speech”, and the golden ones are the “content of the form”.
                Do you understand pitchforks, yachts, millions in bank deposits and so on?
                And it is still not clear that in addition to the “international of workers and peasants” there is also an “international of masters of life” without borders?
                1. Vasia
                  Vasia 23 January 2022 09: 10
                  -2
                  Quote: Vadim Krymov
                  The toilet bowls are the “form of speech”, and the golden ones are the “content of the form”.
                  Do you understand pitchforks, yachts, millions in bank deposits and so on?
                  And it is still not clear that in addition to the “international of workers and peasants” there is also an “international of masters of life” without borders?

                  With such slogans, one wonderful country has already been turned into a real copy, I do not want a repetition of this here.
                  1. Vadim Krymov
                    Vadim Krymov 23 January 2022 12: 26
                    0
                    Which country was "sorted out": the Tsarist Russian Empire or the pro-communist USSR? Or, after all, both one after the other in the order of historical order? And who turned?
                  2. Vadim Krymov
                    Vadim Krymov 23 January 2022 12: 48
                    +2
                    “... A monstrous incident took place in Obninsk, Kaluga region: there, children of migrants, students of the seventh grade, raped a fifth grader, filming everything on video ...”.

                    So who no longer puts an ultimatum to whom, but puts the whole country “in a pose”? Are the "Kremlin boys" worried about NATO?
                    Or is it not yet "toilet"?
                    1. Vasia
                      Vasia 23 January 2022 12: 55
                      -5
                      Leave your cheap populism. Can you give a summary of crimes in Europe or in the US. Unfortunately, such crimes are committed everywhere, and the children of migrants are not always the participants, but this has nothing to do with the topic of conversation.
                      1. Vadim Krymov
                        Vadim Krymov 23 January 2022 14: 04
                        +2
                        Do you live in Europe, in the USA, or in Russia?
                        If in Russia, then leave “their” reports to “them” and once again do not bend.
                        This is directly related to the topic of conversation. Because while the Russian authorities are “playing” with “external ultimatums”, migrants do not rape their children in general education schools, because children in power do not study in such schools. And if the country is “flooded” by the invasion of migrants, then who is responsible for this “bay”? NATO?... Biden?... And you will remember about populism, if - God forbid! - rape your children or grandchildren.
                      2. Vasia
                        Vasia 23 January 2022 16: 08
                        -4
                        Crimes are committed everywhere, incl. and migrants, there are no countries without crime.
                        Quote: Vadim Krymov
                        And if the country is “flooded” by the invasion of migrants, then who is responsible for this “bay”? NATO?... Biden?... And you will remember about populism, if - God forbid! - rape your children or grandchildren.

                        And where did you see the "bay"?


                        Therefore, I repeat, your speech is populism.
                      3. Vadim Krymov
                        Vadim Krymov 23 January 2022 17: 12
                        -2
                        If you do not see the “bay”, then these are your “visual” problems. As for populism… What does “everywhere” have to do with your country, Russia, if you live in Russia, of course. If the “neighbor” has a prostitute’s daughter, then by this you “justify”, for example, the fact that your two daughters were “made” the same? Like, what! - everything is fine ... Have you tried to live with your mind?
                      4. Vasia
                        Vasia 23 January 2022 17: 21
                        -2
                        Quote: Vadim Krymov
                        What does “everywhere” have to do with your country, Russia, if you live in Russia, of course.

                        There are no states without crimes, what is incomprehensible here? This is where your populism lies. Okay, don't get sick, get well.
  30. Vadim Krymov
    Vadim Krymov 22 January 2022 14: 43
    +2
    Quote: avia12005
    The Ukrainian issue must be resolved. Ukraine-Anti-Russia must be destroyed. Dot. Otherwise, this vile mimicry of an independent state will be used by the West to destroy Russia. The sooner this is done, the less problems there will be for our descendants. We need to think about future generations.


    When they "won" the USSR - what generations were they thinking about?
  31. your vsr 66-67
    your vsr 66-67 22 January 2022 14: 44
    0
    It seems to me that everything will end quietly here. And that's why I think so. Who rules the world? Putin with Biden? Not! The world is ruled by capital, and capital is in the hands of ... well, you yourself know who. Farther. Who are Putin's friends? You know too. Everything depends on them! And if Putin's friends supported him in this ultimatum, then surely they enlisted the support of world capital! Here you can draw the appropriate conclusions!
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  33. Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish 22 January 2022 15: 00
    +3
    The Americans just need to requisition all the money of the oligarchy, which, after the robbery of Russia, is in Western banks. And sooner or later it will happen. The process develops dynamically. But oddly enough, this would be true.
  34. lopvlad
    lopvlad 22 January 2022 15: 20
    -7
    Ultimatum is just the beginning


    An ultimatum is an event after which the path always begins for one and this very path always ends for the other, and it doesn’t matter who announced this very ultimatum. After all, the main thing is not the ultimatum, but the actions that occur after its announcement.
    I think it has already become clear to many that in 2022 the issue of Ukraine will be finally resolved. Ukraine will either be a neutral non-bloc state or there will be no state with the sign "Ukraine" at all, and numerous republics in its place will become part of Russia.
    Moreover, the neutral non-bloc status of Ukraine is the very minimum that Russia is ready to go to in negotiations with the United States and the cornerstone of the foundation of the entire Russian ultimatum to the collective West.
    In any case, in December 2021, the Kremlin decided that NATO's path to the East was finally over.
  35. Kachinets
    Kachinets 22 January 2022 15: 22
    -2
    The Ukrainian question will be decided in Ukraine, as in any civil war. And V. Zelensky can become the "decisive" (do not fall). Tasks before him: 1. Maximally "love" the West and "hate" Russia - are being successfully solved. At the same time, the result is achieved - the more, the worse the country. And everyone sees it, and most importantly, the people. 2. Prepare as much as possible for a war with the "aggressor" - this is also being successfully solved. I sent the national battalions to the front line, where they will be ground first of all with our help, remotely. He armed the people, (including with guns!), Who does not want war, therefore he will "help" in the field "give Gunpowder". 3. "Close" SP-2 so that Russia does not use it for political purposes. Successfully - in the sense that the "Ukrainian Stream" will also be blocked. 4. Join NATO. More than successful, because "friends" firmly promised "someday", etc. By God, I sometimes think that this is his really serious plan - to return to friendship with Russia. He just can't do it any other way in the current situation. It is necessary that he not be suspected of this, and he acts "like Putin" (and he was suspected of this), who had to endure before the West for a long time. They were seduced: the early debt to the IMF was closed, they called them "regional power" and "gas station", neighing in Munich, and especially about "cartoons", etc. How do you like the version? But in such an environment, it really may not be possible for the tops to be able to, and the bottoms will not want to. And then V. Zelensky will become the savior and father of the nation.
  36. AntiAleks
    AntiAleks 22 January 2022 15: 24
    -5
    Looking at all the prehistoric trash pulled to the borders with Ukraine, you involuntarily understand that Russia has no other way but diplomacy
  37. Vadim Krymov
    Vadim Krymov 22 January 2022 15: 25
    -1
    "...Again I remembered the phrase of the Russian president about a world without Russia: “Why such a world if there is no Russia there”?[b][/b]..".
    And what, the Russian president, a former communist, forgot how the world existed without Russia, but with the USSR?
  38. Vintorez
    Vintorez 22 January 2022 16: 07
    +1
    The "Hyperboloid of Engineer Garin" no longer reads like science fiction compared to the article.
  39. Warm Tube
    Warm Tube 22 January 2022 16: 51
    0
    Russia has the experience of presenting an ultimatum to a neighboring state (and also not in the best condition then): "On April 23, 1853, A. S. Menshikov received two firmans signed by the Sultan concerning the Holy Places. But these documents did not satisfy the ambassador. On the same day, he sent a new note to the Turkish government. In it, he pointed out that the requirements of the Russian government in firmans were not satisfied. They lack "guarantees for the future" "
  40. smaug78
    smaug78 22 January 2022 17: 27
    +3
    Ultimatum is just the beginning
    Was there an ultimatum?
    1. agond
      agond 22 January 2022 18: 06
      +1
      If it is impossible to prevent their approach, it is possible, as Shoigu suggested, to move the capital to Siberia or the Urals
  41. fa2998
    fa2998 22 January 2022 19: 06
    -1
    Quote: bayard
    The most terrible sanction for the United States is the refusal of the Russian Federation from the dollar as a unit of account. This is worse for them than nuclear war.
    Moreover, settlements with Europe will be in euro / ruble. With China - in yuan / ruble. With India, of course, in Rupiah \ ruble.

    The fact is that Russia's share in the world economy is a few percent. Both exports (mainly to Europe), and imports (from China). For Russia, these are large numbers, around the world (trading for dollars) is a penny. hi hi
  42. Radikal
    Radikal 22 January 2022 20: 42
    +3
    Quote: bayard
    Quote: fa2998
    ,WHAT ELSE!!

    Well, for example, aluminum is also a private business, with a large share of American companies, but ... sanctions are sanctions. Up to nationalization. Can you tell me the share of Russian aluminum in their auto industry?
    And in the aircraft industry and other construction business - too.
    Nuclear fuel .
    And the rejection of heavy oil. lol
    Of course, they can make friends with Venezuela again, but ... maybe it won’t be bad - they will pay off their debts faster, the people will have more fun ...
    But in general, they should not be frightened by such sanctions.
    The most terrible sanction for the United States is the refusal of the Russian Federation from the dollar as a unit of account. yes This is worse for them than nuclear war.
    Moreover, settlements with Europe will be in euro / ruble. With China - in yuan / ruble. With India, of course, in Rupiah \ ruble.
    What we have for some time now called the "nationalization of the Central Bank" will actually be its liquidation or transformation into a regular National (State) Bank of Russia.
    Believe me, this is worse and worse than titanium, aluminum and uranium combined ... and multiplied by heavy oil. bully
    The economy of the Russian Federation is catastrophically undermonetized, and this is not counting the withdrawal of capital abroad and the tricks of the Central Bank with rates and other regulatory policies, as well as the famous "Budget Rule". The current capitalization of the Russian economy is 40% at a rate of 100% (in the United States it is orders of magnitude higher). So the rejection of the dollar will turn out to be a great boon for the domestic economy, because in this case the ruble will immediately become an investment currency and capitalization to the desired 100% within a few years will give such a breakthrough in the economy ... Moreover, capitalization can be done both through investments in infrastructure, social sphere, defense, science and other culture, as well as cheap lending to small, medium and large businesses ... In all the necessary volumes and at a very pleasant percentage ... For the State Bank is responsible for investment and credit policy, and not for the profits to shareholders (this is exactly the case with the Central Bank).
    If this happens, we will not recognize the country in a few years (in a very good sense of the word). And the rate of economic growth will be higher than in China (because we HAVE where to invest). And no external regulators.
    After all, if it’s still a war (yes, even economic or cold), then why not? If they already threaten to constantly disconnect from the swift and ban the use of the dollar, then why not do it yourself - not "take the punishment", but forestall the blow with a blow.
    With such a blow, you can put him in a knockout ... especially if you follow the consequences.

    Do you want some GDP numbers?
    Real?
    By PPS?
    In the USA - about 15 tril. USD (monetization orders of magnitude higher than 100%)
    China has over 17 trils. USD (monetization above 100%)
    Russia has 4 - 4,5 tril. USD (monetization 40%)
    Even with today's monetization, our GDP per capita is only 1,5 times lower than in the US.
    And what will happen when monetization is brought to the desired 100%?
    But in the event of the collapse of the dollar system, the US economy will collapse by half.
    And China will not be happy.

    And what do you think, with such a prospect, what will the owners of Russian Life strive for? Sell ​​your homeland for half a penny, or bring your patrimony to the above state?
    And they have been thinking about it for a long time.
    And there have already been attempts to nationalize the banking system ... For a long time ... unsuccessfully ... Putin's friend died, assigned to carry out this business ...

    Do you think they will blink this time? wink

    That's what ultimatums are for.

    An ultimatum, in case of non-fulfillment, always involves the next action, otherwise it is not an ultimatum, but shaking the fists of a dwarf in front of a colossus. And what is the next action that the Russian Federation can take? Let Maria Zakharova enter the ring? lol And who in general can actuate those levers that you wrote about here? winked
    1. Oleg Barchev
      Oleg Barchev 24 January 2022 14: 13
      -2
      You juggle numbers on GDP, purchasing power, monetization, etc. so easily. etc. I want to remind you "There are lies, there are blatant lies and there are statistics."
  43. vnpeiron
    vnpeiron 22 January 2022 22: 03
    +5
    Gromyko used to say: "Ten years of negotiations are better than one day of war."
  44. kibidze
    kibidze 23 January 2022 04: 40
    0
    http://www.satori.com.ua/club/books/aforizm_chanak.shtml
    http://krasathlet.ru/persons/athlets
    http://sprintexpress.ru/1_1.php
    http://extremez.spb.ru/about/
    https://hobby.rin.ru/articles/html/23.html
  45. magdama
    magdama 23 January 2022 16: 24
    -2
    The current regime in Ukraine must be destroyed. This is a question of the security of Russia and its citizens. And I think that just such an impossible ultimatum was deliberately issued to the West. Now it will be necessary to fulfill the assigned tasks in Ukraine, Donbass, and Transnistria.
  46. DialogN
    DialogN 23 January 2022 21: 17
    +2
    > will achieve the return of NATO troops to the borders that were before 1997

    Very curious, but what will it look like?
    Will Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Bulgaria, Romania, Slovakia, and also all the former Yugoslav republics be "expelled" from NATO at our demand?
    And in order to be able to expel them without their consent, will they also rewrite the NATO charter?
  47. Maks1995
    Maks1995 23 January 2022 21: 24
    +2
    All this is understandable. They're just trying to fit the question back into the answer. Beneficial for the Kremlin.

    Go to negotiations? Why not? "Go" doesn't mean anything.
    We negotiated with Saddam. As many as 3 times in a row. Until going for the 4th time didn't mean "losing face". And there, no matter how he waved a branch of negotiations - remember the result.

    There aren't many good cards though. So we are trying to at least slightly improve the maps, after the failures of the Foreign Ministry, which could not solve much.

    They brought more troops to the square, raised hysteria in the media, so that there was something to start bargaining for.
    They boasted of chess mats, zircons, C350-600 and Armats with Uranus, overexposure and petrels to look scarier and scare everyone.

    There are no main trump cards - economics, growth, demography, science and education. And Sputnik V is almost no longer remembered ....
  48. Insolent_Schoolboy
    Insolent_Schoolboy 24 January 2022 06: 07
    +3
    From the article:

    The world hegemon, the beacon of democracy, shamelessly robs his alleged friends and simply takes away the vaccine intended for the Europeans. Chinese and Russian scientists create vaccines, but they are not recognized by the WHO.


    1) Can you link to the fact that "the world hegemon is taking the vaccine from the Europeans"? I remember the EU and England did not share the vaccine.
    2) In fact, WHO has recognized Chinese vaccines.
  49. Oleg Barchev
    Oleg Barchev 24 January 2022 14: 03
    -1
    The project "Ukraine-anti-Russia" is moving towards completion. The organizers of this project, seeing the futility of continuing active support, curtail their active involvement. Now the task before the exit is to spoil as much as possible. As for the talks between Russia and the United States, presenting positions to the enemy is nearing completion. Then actions will begin in support of the seriousness of their intentions, which should confirm the will and ability to achieve the announced goals. The actual negotiations are ahead.
  50. DialogN
    DialogN 25 January 2022 01: 04
    0
    > Remember "Borodino" Lermontov? “We retreated silently for a long time. It was annoying, they were waiting for the battle ... "

    Does everyone remember well what happened after Borodino?
    As far as I remember, then they retreated even further and even surrendered Moscow.
    So, judging by Borodino, this is not yet the last point of retreat.

    > And those "meetings" of aircraft in the Syrian sky, the police on the Syrian roads, the MTR in the battles against terrorists, which happened quite often, showed the strength of the Russian army and its absolute disrespect for the American flag.

    A particularly strong disrespect was apparently demonstrated under Hasham on the night of February 7-8, 2018?

    In general, this article makes a very gloomy impression.
    What are we really going to do?
    But nothing, the author says, they just hope for some kind of "miracle" from the GDP (What it will be is still unclear ... But the fact that it will be a rather original and strong move is already indisputable).

    Well, Finland will take and submit tomorrow an application to NATO. Whatever one may say, it will again be precisely the advance to the east. What we are going to do? How to fulfill your "ultimatum"? Shall we attack Finland? Or will we immediately hit the United States with nuclear missiles?