Illegal selection of Russian gas in transit through the Ukrainian GTS allowed in Kiev

In Kiev, the illegal selection of Russian gas going through the gas transportation system of Ukraine was allowed. This was stated by the ex-acting Minister of Energy Olga Buslavets.

According to Buslavets, "Naftogaz" can go on theft of gas going in transit to Europe, in the event of an acute shortage of blue fuel. Namely, such a situation may develop this year in Ukraine, she believes. To date, only 6,6 billion cubic meters of gas remain in UGS facilities for domestic consumption, while the deficit in the first quarter is about 2 billion cubic meters. As the Honored Power Engineer of Ukraine emphasized, Kiev will not be able to do without gas imports.

At the same time, Naftogaz has no funds to buy gas, and the authorities are unlikely to find two or three billion dollars for this. In the absence of funds for the purchase and sufficient capacity to import gas from the EU, Naftogaz will have three options for resolving this situation. The first and second provide for cutting off gas from industry and thermal power plants, and the third - the theft of the missing volume of gas from the transit flow going to Europe.

Buslavets stressed that the third option is unacceptable, but the most likely. Illegal withdrawal will be noticed by Russia, which will lead to a stoppage of transit through Ukraine, the termination of the contract for gas pumping, as well as other consequences, both economic and political.

Earlier, the ex-head of Naftogaz, Andrey Kobolev, spoke about the need to steal Russian gas, who allowed such a possibility given the shortage of gas in underground storage facilities and the absence of imports from the European Union.

Recall that Russia has been refusing to increase gas transit through Ukraine for several months, pumping the volume stipulated by contractual obligations.

Comments

[The black]

The lads have not yet understood that they will steal not Russian, but purchased European gas ... And this already threatens to be excommunicated from the gay tit. In general, for such an offer of this Boguslavets, the order also relies on a prize from Gazprom .

[Pereira]

The US will forgive them.

[Orel]

Quote: Pereira

The US will forgive them.

Stealing is wrong!

[YOUR]

They don't steal. They take it so that no one sees.

[Pereira]

Not everyone knows about it. For some peoples / races, this is a national idea.

[lucul]

Stealing is wrong!

They have been stealing gas for a very long time - Gazprom just compensated everything.
And now Gazprom has simply reduced the pumping to a minimum and there is nothing to steal (but you want to), and Ukraine immediately howled. Do you think that's just how Nord Stream was built? Precisely to prevent the theft of gas.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: lucul

They have been stealing gas for a very long time - Gazprom just compensated everything.

Question from the crossword "Type of fuel in Ukraine":

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Calmly and casually: "We will steal!"

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

Calmly and casually: "We will steal!"

So even Kuchma said that "we stole and we will steal." That is, it was implied, "where are you going to go if the pipe goes only through Ukraine and we have no alternative."
But now the situation is not the same: what we need in order to fulfill applications under contracts and not fall under penalties, we can pump through the "Northern" and "Southern" streams. You can’t steal too much anymore: as soon as they notice the theft, they will immediately cut off supplies in this direction.

[hohohol]

So the United States itself steals oil in Syria, under the slogan of protecting democracy. Here are the serfs and go along the beaten track.

[Looking for]

Will they supply gas too?

[Cotton Colorado]

Quote: Black

The boys have not yet understood that they will steal not Russian, but purchased European gas ... And this already threatens to be excommunicated from the gay tit.

Do not exaggerate, they are not allowed to go above the pussy!

[fruc]

....Naftogaz will have three options for resolving this situation.

Let the "Western partners" of Ukraine supply them with the required amount of gas in reverse, perhaps even on credit!

[Tuzik]

it is reverse only on paper, in fact this is the selection of European gas, but provided that it is enough for pumping to Europe (technical volume), if Gazprom supplies at a minimum, then when gas is withdrawn, it will not be enough to create sufficient pressure on the gas compressor units for pumping to Europe. .

[Cat Alexandrovich]

So this same "purchased European gas" in a significant part was bought by European speculators for Ukrainian speculators. That's why he never made it to Europe proper. Looks like they are going to steal from normal buyers. Then Europe can thieves and scold!

[Anachoret]

Great news) Bandera-fascists will have to shoot their legs from a machine gun burst so that their own freezing population does not put them on a pitchfork)
The conclusions are simple) the option of stealing European purchased gas will become a precedent for the early termination of the contract by Gazprom) and Europe will be more actively involved in the certification of SP2))

[BecmepH]

Quote: Anchorite

The conclusions are simple) the option of stealing European purchased gas will become a precedent for the early termination of the contract by Gazprom) and Europe will be more actively involved in the certification of SP2)

What are you speaking about? They already stole so what?
Tobacco is everything!

[cat Rusich]

Quote: BecmepH

Tobacco is everything!

But prey Sherkhana

[Timon2155]

Another ex was noted))) Their words are not worth a penny - people have retired and express their vision, no more.

[Cheshire]

Quote: Timon2155

Their words are not worth a penny - people retired

Judging by the Wiki, she was acting until November 2020, now in the yard of 2022, where does the information come from, and who guarantees accuracy? I think this is self-promotion and a desire to attract attention. We must look at deeds, not words.

[BecmepH]

Quote: Black

The lads have not yet understood that they will steal not Russian, but purchased European gas ... And this already threatens to be excommunicated from the gay tit. In general, for such an offer of this Boguslavets, the order also relies on a prize from Gazprom .

They understand everything. And they know that Europe will understand and forgive them. But those responsible for the fact that Ukraine has no money will appoint Russia!

[Looking for]

but such actions give the right to terminate the contract. And this is death for Ukraine.

[BecmepH]

Quote: Seeker

but such actions give the right to terminate the contract. And this is death for Ukraine.

Unfortunately, I do not know the terms of the contract, so it's pointless to argue

[NKT]

Loptsy have not yet understood that they will steal not Russian, but purchased European gas ... And this already threatens to be excommunicated from the gay tit.

It is Russian, the transfer point is located on the western border of Ukraine, so if we cut off the gas because of their theft, we will be guilty in the eyes of Europe (although we are always guilty anyway).

[SKVichyakow]

Quote: Black

The lads have not yet understood that they will steal not Russian, but purchased European gas ... And this already threatens to be excommunicated from the gay tit. In general, for such an offer of this Boguslavets, the order also relies on a prize from Gazprom .

It is they who will steal Russian gas, as such it is considered to be up to the western point of gas transmission. And we pay for transit through Ukraine. They are fighting for gas transit, and they are asking us to increase the flow of gas not to the West, but to us.

[private person]

they will steal not Russian, but purchased European gas
And Russia will be accused of not adding volumes according to contracts. And then the whole geyroppa will attack Russia with reproaches.

[Looking for]

And what do you think the counters are not provided for. Everything is considered.

[private person]

Everything counts.
Yes, it’s clear what counts, but who cares except us. This is how the overseas masters said that Russia is about to attack the country and unfounded accusations rushed.

[Kerensky]

The lads have not yet understood that they will steal not Russian, but purchased European gas.

Just Russian. It becomes European when it is pumped into UGS facilities in Europe and paid for.

[strannik1985]

Illegal withdrawal will be noticed by Russia, which will lead to a halt in transit through Ukraine, a break in the contract for gas pumping,

In this case, Ukraine is the main ally of the Russian Federation in the difficult task of certification of SP-2

[sergo1914]

Buslavets stressed that the third option is unacceptable, but the most likely. Illegal withdrawal will be noticed by Russia, which will lead to a stoppage of transit through Ukraine, the termination of the contract for gas pumping, as well as other consequences, both economic and political.

AND? Still steal? Gas is needed. No money. But we need gas. Should be picked up for free. Some gopo. Civilized people would offer for gas the territory up to the Dnieper. Honest exchange.

[URAL72]

A very interesting situation. If they give us a reason to break the transit contract, it will be very beneficial for us, and deadly for them. Dare!

[Thrifty]

I can’t understand the reason for the euphoria on the site! These will steal gas, and the Yankees will introduce new sanctions against Russia - this is natural. With this, the Yankees allowed everything in order to impose sanctions against Russia as a result, or even start a full-scale war with the hands of slaves like these, set fire to the whole of Eurasia, so that they themselves would later take everything into their own hands.

[fa2998]

And who knows where the gas is transferred to the European side - on the Russian-Ukrainian border or on the Ukrainian-EU? If on the Ukrainian side, Europe says that it has not received the goods, and will not pay. European courts). And we know about sympathy for the "square".

[Vavilov]

in the west, Ukrainians are only in transit, though now, when UGS facilities are half empty, and prices have skyrocketed new mrias appeared, they want Russia to sell them in the east - to them, and then they themselves ...

[Brturin]

Quote: fa2998

Europe will say that the goods have not received

the only country that can say this is Slovakia - the Czechs have a supply from the Germans, the Hungarians are already on tour. flow ... but the Slovaks also have the opportunity to receive gas from other directions ... Europe may begin to make claims if contract deliveries are not fulfilled, but now everything is pumped ...

In January 2022, the capacities of the Ukrainian GTS were only half filled - the average pumping over 15 days is 53 million m3 / day. https://neftegaz.ru/news/transport-and-storage/720983-gazprom-ne-zabroniroval-na-fevral-dopmoshchnosti-gts-ukrainy-i-moshchnosti-polskogo-uchastka-mgp-yam/

at the same time, Yamal-Europe - has a capacity of 89,1 million m3 / day, booked ...

As of January 2022, Gazprom has booked the capacity of the Polish section of the Yamal-Europe MGP in the amount of 19,3 million m3/day, but has not yet used it, the Yamal-Europe MGP is still operating in reverse mode.

and the next month we are again only 19 million per day ... Ie. today's Ukrainian capacities can be transferred to Yamal-Europe and beyond ... Moldova with TP ... If the current alignment is maintained, then in Europe they will say fu, but contractual obligations have been fulfilled and claims ... the situation is no longer the same as during the last shutdown, when it was a question of not fulfilling contracts ...

[Looking for]

Absolutely correct reasoning.

[strannik1985]

Civilized people would offer for gas the territory up to the Dnieper. Honest exchange.

Zelensky, after such a proposal, will live on the strength of two hours, but they will dig their own.

[carpenter]

Quote: sergo1914

Civilized people would offer for gas the territory up to the Dnieper. Honest exchange.

"Civilized people" spoiled themselves by blocking the Crimean Canal, shooting themselves in the foot, and now "Uncle Vova, help us."
The West will help you.

[Vadim237]

For Russia, this will be a boon - let the gas be stolen, thereby giving Gazprom a free hand to break the contract and, in general, completely stop transit through Ukraine forever for one additional incentive to launch joint venture 2.

[Pereira]

Who would doubt that?

[APASUS]

Buslavets, "Naftogaz" can go to theft of gas in transit to Europe,

And how happy they will be in Europe! This is a new democracy, destroys totalitarian gas

[NDR-791]

Quote: APASUS

And how happy they will be in Europe!

So it was already like that, "Pale with a scythe" yelled at the whole geyropa that we had turned the valve. From there, even the commission came to check the pressure. Well, they sat in a puddle, che, they are no strangers. And that the smell remains, so the money does not smell.

[SaLaR]

It’s even interesting ... to officially declare themselves thieves ......

[APASUS]

Quote: SaLaR

It’s even interesting ... officially declaring yourself thieves .....

Officially, they are doves of peace, and this is so a trial balloon for a reaction.

[yuriy55]

Quote: APASUS

Officially they are doves of peace

They are pigeons, but not the world, but the most ordinary: to eat for free and shit everywhere ...

[cat Rusich]

Quote: APASUS

Officially, they are doves of peace, and this is so a trial balloon for a reaction.

"Dove of peace" carrying a "trial balloon" ...

[NDR-791]

Quote: SaLaR

officially declare themselves thieves ..

NOT official She's already Ex, and IO too... But thanks for the warning

[alex neym_2]

In a word - if you can’t, but you want, then you can do whatever you want ... the goal justifies the means by which it is achieved!

[Cotton Colorado]

Buslavets stressed that the third option is unacceptable, but the most likely.

And who would doubt

[cniza]

Buslavets stressed that the third option is unacceptable, but the most likely.

How do they fit all this in their heads - "unacceptable but the most probable" and want to be transiters? ...

[Vasily Chernyshev]

"not acceptable" is for a normal person, "but the most likely" is for ... well, you understand for whom

[carpenter]

Quote: cniza

How do they fit all this in their heads - "unacceptable but the most probable" and want to be transiters? ...

So everything is destroyed with them, and here is one last hope for a "leaky pipe", and for the fact that Russia will complain about their dirty tricks and start pumping higher than stated. But Russia will no longer complain when Ukraine poured so much slop on it, like no one in the world for the entire existence of Russia.

[Ru_Na]

Ukraine from the word steal! Well, if they are such suicidal, then let them try, Kiev will obviously not like the reaction of the EU, which is experiencing a shortage of energy resources!

[Xlor]

Let them jump. Movement is life...

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

And beans are warm.)

[impostor]

As soon as the first molecules of "non-freedom" are liquefied from the transit pipe to Europe, after 3 seconds, the transit contract will be fairly and reasonably TERMINATED

[The leader of the Redskins]

Classic!
A loud headline, but in reality - the chatter of another "ex". It has been noticed that chakras open in all "exes", the third eye cuts through and a gift for foresight opens ...

[carpenter]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

the third eye is cut through and the gift of foresight opens ...

Late proreza.tsya and eyes and chakras. This still had to be done under Kuchma.

[Cananecat]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Classic!

What year we are promised a freezing Ukraine and righteous folk Ukrainian pitchforks for their leaders...and where? Yes, it's cold, but they raised prices inside the country, they even stole gas from the pipe ... this is also a classic of its kind, to continue to promise Armageddon in Ukraine. And the people also live there, not knowing what they are prophesied here in Russia ...

[The leader of the Redskins]

Yes, they all know!
The Internet was not banned there. There are even entire programs covering the "pearls" of our studio "experts". Look, listen and scratch your turnips where there is more madness ....

[Looking for]

Do you know how people live there?

Quote: Canecat

Transit before the 24th year will not be terminated according to the contract,

I would not be so categorical.

[Cananecat]

Quote: Seeker

Do you know how people live there?

Unlike you, I know. Not all of course, but I communicate with people from central and eastern Ukraine.

I would not be so categorical.

You are much more categorical down there. )))

[Wedmak]

In Kiev, the illegal selection of Russian gas going through the gas transportation system of Ukraine was allowed.

And then it is supposed to be believed in these lads when they declare the reliability of transit? I need to re-read the textbook of logic, something is probably wrong here ...

[yuriy55]

Illegal selection of Russian gas in transit through the Ukrainian GTS allowed in Kiev

This has never happened before, and here again!

[tralflot1832]

Hooray, let it be so, the sooner the better. Gazprom will have a reason to generally close through Ukraine. With all the consequences. With this option, Gazprom's actions were brought to partners in Europe, up to the opening of joint venture 2.

[Cananecat]

Quote: tralflot1832

Gazprom will have a reason

Gazprom had a lot of reasons, so what?
Transit until the 24th year will not be terminated according to the contract, and Europe will once again pay for Ukraine ...

[strannik1985]

Gazprom had a lot of reasons, so what?

This concerns the Europeans themselves, it is difficult to explain to the electorate why it is necessary to support the thieves who steal European gas.

[Cananecat]

Quote: strannik1985

This concerns the Europeans themselves, it is difficult to explain to the electorate

The electorate does not care (if anything) who and what is stealing outside of Europe. Do you see a lot of manifestations there on the occasion of raising gas prices? They can even support Ukraine in taking gas from the hegemon.

[strannik1985]

Do not care about price increases, but they will grow, including due to the theft of gas bought by European countries?

[Cananecat]

Quote: strannik1985

because of the theft of gas bought by European countries?

Do not believe it, but many European inhabitants do not even know about the theft of gas by Uraina. For them, the increase in gas prices will primarily be linked to Russia. ))

[Looking for]

listen. your pro-Ukrainian position is perfectly understandable.

[Cananecat]

Thank you for not pro-Bandera and then bread ... how do you like to throw hats or is it enough to throw your own from the sofa?

[tralflot1832]

Thanks to the theft of Ukraine, JV 1 appeared, which operates at full capacity and sometimes even at 106%. Yes, and the rest of the streams appeared. Ukraine gets from the previous cream, only 25-30%.

[Pavel57]

Download more, otherwise there is nothing to steal.

[Vavilov]

why not, let them take it away, so we’ll find out what the managers agreed there and who will bend ... once again, or not?

[rocket757]

You will be served, but you do not steal!!!
The question is, who will feed them!

[Reptiloid]

.... the need to steal Russian gas ....

Great quote from an officer! One said, the other repeated

[rocket757]

Such shots there ... as for selection.

[Reptiloid]

After the first statement, I waited for ours to answer, ours did not answer this insolent.
It turns out that they were then the second time a manifestation-threat? Blackmail ? Or will the warnings be longer?

[rocket757]

What's the point of answering completely crazy .... all the more, so commercial affairs. Here on the fact of the action there will be an appropriate answer.
Let's see, this is not the first time this has happened.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: rocket757

.... upon the fact of the action there will be an appropriate response. Let's see, this was not the first time this happened.

And the subtext is

aggressor, apply for poverty Otherwise selection...

[rocket757]

Come on, all their smudges are covered with a simple valve ... they closed it and let them subtext, for themselves, as much as they like.

[mongolian9999]

In the current situation, for America the best way out is to pay for the supply of gas to Ukraine on its own. Sounds crazy, but...
1. The whole world can be trumpeted that they saved the freezing country from the Russian barbarians, who kill peaceful Ukrainians with cold and hunger.
2. Postpone Europe's fight over Nord Stream 2 certification.
3. Prevent Russia from terminating the transit agreement with Ukraine.
4. Tie the elites of Ukraine with such a financial tie even more strongly.
5. Under a secret protocol, buy the lands of Ukraine for gas and make concessions in negotiations with Russia. For example, Russia cuts all strategists and boats, destroys its hypersonic, and America removes weapons of attack on US territory. And a year later ... Voila, rockets on the territory of another US state somewhere near Kiev.

Moreover, it is cheaper to solve this issue - they did not have time to supply their liquefied gas to Ukraine, but to pay .... It's a matter of one day. So if in the coming days some Blinkin arrives in Ukraine, or they start talking on the phone, Putin's current plan may stall.

[ugol2]

After the words " to Ukraine " may not be read.

[carpenter]

Quote: ugol2

After the words "to Ukraine" you can not read.

And immediately forget.

[Vavilov]

and especially - in / on

[Sanichsan]

Quote: mongol9999

1. The whole world can be trumpeted that they saved the freezing country from the Russian barbarians, who kill peaceful Ukrainians with cold and hunger.

be scared "the whole world" does not care about Ukraine. it is needed only to scream about the terrible Russians and scroll through the loot in the military budget. why save someone who needs half-dead?

Quote: mongol9999

2. Postpone Europe's fight over Nord Stream 2 certification.

for this, gas must be supplied to the EU and not to Ukraine but even with this there are problems, and you are talking about some kind of untermensch ...

Quote: mongol9999

3. Prevent Russia from terminating the transit agreement with Ukraine.

judging by the fact that the idea that the states pay for gas for Ukraine arise only in the inflamed Ukrainian mind, this idea does not inspire anyone except Ukrainians. not for that in Ukraine they put powder with Zelensky so that it prospered and lived well without gas, Ukraine will be in a much more favorable form for the West than with gas

Quote: mongol9999

5. Under a secret protocol, buy the lands of Ukraine for gas and make concessions in negotiations with Russia. For example, Russia cuts all strategists and boats, destroys its hypersonic, and America removes weapons of attack on US territory. And a year later ... Voila, rockets on the territory of another US state somewhere near Kiev.

# facespalm
this can only work if in Russia there is scum like Gorbachev at the helm, but ... you can’t count on this in the foreseeable future but if this happens, then Ukraine is not needed. such a one will give everything away and cut the weapons, as it happened once before.

Quote: mongol9999

So if in the coming days some Blinkin arrives in Ukraine, or they start talking on the phone, Putin's current plan may stall.

aaa ha ha ha ha ha ha wow.. everyone.. thanks. great joke wait for the prize

[mongolian9999]

Mdaa. I thought I would hear a reasoned answer why inflamed Western brains would not be able to crank out such a game, but no. Only hooray. It’s disappointing to me that VO analysts have slipped into empty talk.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: mongol9999

I thought I would hear a reasoned answer, why inflamed Western brains will not be able to crank out such a game

here we heard
in short, because no one needs it
Ukraine is interesting to the West as a hotbed of tension both on the border of the Russian Federation and in the center of Europe. actually everything
oh yes, I forgot to write about this

Quote: mongol9999

4. Tie the elites of Ukraine with such a financial tie even more strongly.

"Uncle, why was this man hung so high?
Well, this is to make him die even stronger.
in Ukraine, a visiting American senator removes the supreme judge from office! who is there and where else to tie? there, the entire elite has long been chained and trained. they will say howl - they will howl, they will say wag their tail - they will wag their tail, there is no tail, they will buy it in a sex shop and they will wag

Quote: mongol9999

It’s disappointing to me that VO analysts have slipped into empty talk.

And this is the claim of the person who wrote this?

Quote: mongol9999

For example, Russia cuts all strategists and boats, destroys its hypersonic, and America cleans up weapons of attack on the territory of the United States.

Do you seriously think something like this is possible?

[mongolian9999]

I seriously think and recommend. I think all options should be considered. More precisely so. Consider everything. Prepares even for unrealizable. Manage probabilities. Get what you need. Just a few days ago, it seemed unrealistic to the miracle commentators that there was an option for Batkin's troops to have a bite to eat with all their might. Now this is the most likely scenario. I- yes. I am a supporter of the overthrow of the current illegitimate government in Ukraine (namely B, since I studied the Russian language and do not tolerate vernacular) and help the fraternal people of eastern and southern Ukraine to protect themselves from extremist groups terrorizing this country. Without this, the sale of land to foreigners and concessions from NATO in the negotiations are also possible. Therefore, it is impossible to believe Western assurances, even on paper. The Open Skies Treaty was also signed on paper. It is clear that the United States will not want to receive a gift for the White House directly and will come up with ways to deceive the Russian Federation. And if we agree to bend over when withdrawing the entire infrastructure of nuclear weapons to the territory of the United States, it is logical to move the territory itself to the borders of the Russian Federation. And Ukraine is now the most suitable for this. Ze is not spinning under the sole now - under a hydraulic press.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: mongol9999

I seriously think and recommend. I think all options should be considered. More precisely so. Consider everything. Prepares even for unrealizable.

evaluate the possible consequences of an alien attack from Nibiru?
not I have an alternative suggestion
let's not create an alternate reality. let's operate with facts and predict the development of events based on these facts, and leave delusional fantasies to the Ukrainian establishment. they are used to it.

Quote: mongol9999

Just a few days ago, it seemed unrealistic to the miracle commentators that there was an option for Batkin's troops to have a bite to eat with all their might.

what are those commentators? from next? any sane person remembers that the dad had a snack with the Ukrainians since 2020, when they supported the coup.

Quote: mongol9999

Without this, the sale of land to foreigners and concessions from NATO in the negotiations are also possible.

you must have missed something. the land has been sold

Quote: mongol9999

Without this, the sale of land to foreigners and concessions from NATO in the negotiations are also possible. Therefore, it is impossible to believe Western assurances, even on paper. The Open Skies Treaty was also signed on paper.

The contract is the minimum guarantee. to terminate the contract, you need a certain time sufficient for a response, such as with the open skies contract.
there is an option to violate the contract, but such actions threaten the reaction of the other side that goes beyond other agreements. that is, if the United States (NATO will not agree to this, since most of the members of the bloc will fall under the distribution) goes to a direct violation of the agreement without a withdrawal procedure, then Russia will also cease to comply with the agreement, and not only the violated one, but also any other at its discretion

Quote: mongol9999

And if we agree to bend over when withdrawing the entire infrastructure of nuclear weapons to the territory of the United States, it is logical to move the territory itself to the borders of the Russian Federation. And Ukraine is now the most suitable for this.

Why is that? the amers have the Balts who are already part of NATO and are ready for anything. they have a joint border with Russia. Why do they need Ukraine for this?
PS
from the latest news, Biden is already talking about the US reaction in the event deep Russian advancement in Ukraine (on, because we are talking about territory. For example, in the Caucasus). apparently the LDNR is already being given to Russia, and the question is in what boundaries, along the line of demarcation or within the boundaries of the regions. given that, apart from the promise of some unknown sanctions, they cannot oppose anything, the experience is on the topic "the main thing is not to reach the Polish border." no one has any illusions that all property found on Russian-controlled territory will change its owner, regardless of whether it was acquired secretly or legally and openly

[mongolian9999]

You voiced your position, I voiced mine. Our dialogue reminds me of finding several dozen qubits (commentators) in a superposition. I really hope that there will be those who will take the result from our algorithm and find the most probable opinion on the development of events. (Practically according to the Shor KK algorithm). You argue like an experienced person who has his own system of values, I - like a mathematician. And the models of all the processes in the world are trying to describe it mathematically, and not emotionally, or "... the inner conviction of the judge ..." I am glad for our dialogue. On this issue, I will finish it with you. Pleasant dreams.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: mongol9999

You argue like an experienced person who has his own system of values, I - like a mathematician.

ahh... that's the point. no sarcasm. it really clears up the weirdness of your conclusions and judgments. it’s like a new history of Nosovsky G.V. from a mathematical point of view, it can be justified, but from an actual (archaeological), historical and simply common sense - this is fierce nonsense.

Quote: mongol9999

And they try to describe the models of all processes in the world precisely mathematically, and not emotionally, or "... by the inner conviction of the judge ..."

given a number of your judgments, this project is far from being implemented. there are few people with a mathematical mindset, and there are not at all in the leadership of countries and among decision makers

Quote: mongol9999

Glad for our dialogue. On this issue, I will finish it with you.

mutually if you don't mind, I would discuss some details of our correspondence with you. If you don't mind, I'll drop it in a personal.

[your vsr 66-67]

I don't understand one thing! It has already been that the outskirts stole gas intended for Europe, now she has publicly declared that she is a thief, and in the future she is going to steal gas that does not belong to her! And that's how and why all these EU continue to babysit her? WITH THE THIEF!

[Dimka75]

I don't understand one thing! It has already been that the outskirts stole gas intended for Europe, now she has publicly declared that she is a thief, and in the future she is going to steal gas that does not belong to her! And that's how and why all these EU continue to babysit her? WITH THE THIEF!

not SHE (Ukraine) said, but she (Olga Bogslavets, ex something earlier)
and she is not Ukrainian, but from Makeevka, the current DPR.

[carpenter]

Quote: your vsr 66-67

And that's how and why all these EU continue to babysit her? WITH THE THIEF!

Everyone communicates with the same as he himself.

[rotmistr60]

When those who steal, those who induce and those who help to carry away the stolen have gathered in one company, then what remains to be expected? I think that this winter Europe will not take for granted a reason to once again accuse Russia of illegal withdrawal (theft) of its gas by the Ukrainian side. Yes, and "Gazprom" will take this more radically.

[TermNachTer]

It's cool))) they stole, we steal and we will steal))) and now even in the open. That is, it is no longer theft, but robbery. But gay European partners must support, they support Banderland in everything))) although if one of the gay Europeans does not have enough gas because of Banderland, then support will end quickly)))

[carpenter]

Quote: TermNachTER

It's cool))) they stole, we steal and we will steal))) and now even in the open.

Even thieves are embarrassed to say publicly that they are "thieves", and these are no longer embarrassed to say - "we are thieves."

[Avior]

that's all sad.
VO turns yellow, people are led to a catchy headline.
I don't know which is worse....

[YOUR]

Hospidya, as Kuchma used to say, against the background of how much Russia is pumping gas through our GTS, to take away, hmm, as it was invented, not to steal, but to take away, pump out ..., no one will notice a couple of tens of millions of cubic meters.
In general, they were not surprised.

[Nikolay1987]

about the need to steal

New term independent Ukraine.

[Nexcom]

I suppose that, according to Svidomo, Russian gas, after theft, sharply loses its "aggressor-occupation" properties ....

[Seafood]

Yes, steal European gas as much as you like, as if this will happen for the first time. Gazprom only needs to tell Europe to resolve issues with Ukrainian pirates personally, and if this does not suit, then there is SP-2.

[Vladimir61]

Recall that Russia has been refusing to increase gas transit through Ukraine for several months, pumping the volume stipulated by contractual obligations.

And who ordered it, that increased transit? But Gazprom does not want to pump into the Ukrainian "hole".

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Gas - no. No money. What remains is theft. Typical Ukraine. Nothing new. Better to steal. At such moments, I want to thank Yeltsin for saving us from such, brothers, (parasites) And even if you give them this gas, for free, they will still curse Russia and everything Russian ... Yes, it's a pity for ordinary people. But pity the budget, do not fill. And I feel sorry for my people. He wants to live normally. From the 90s crawled out on all fours. Nobody will give us anything. Let the Ukrainians, smart and thinking, forgive me.

[zloybond]

Maybe at least this will serve as a break in this stupid contract. Otherwise, I just don’t know how to think about this non-national treasure

[sen]

Illegal selection of Russian gas in transit through the Ukrainian GTS allowed in Kiev

And they say that apart from the depreciation of the gas transportation system of Ukraine, there are no other reasons to stop transit through Ukraine.

[Tavi]

Why are there winters left ...

[ERsytype]

Will there be a link? Or do you have to believe it?

[RoTTor]

It’s easier to steal from Russia with impunity than to wait for "American help" - their LNG will be only at the market price and you can steal the hell out of overseas owners.
The contagiously aggressive, nationally incurable Svidomo kleptomania seems to be becoming a feature of the national character.
Just close the valve and ... with dust.

[75 Sergey]

They will take away to pump in air - they passed, we know.

[tTshka]

Allowed?!
That is, they always stupidly "ratted" him, but here they allowed him ...
Mdaaa, horses-horses-horses