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Ryabkov: Negotiations with the USA and NATO on security guarantees are deadlocked

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Negotiations with the US and NATO on security guarantees are deadlocked, and neither Washington nor Brussels is ready to discuss Russia's demands. This was stated by the Deputy Foreign Minister of the Russian Federation Sergei Ryabkov.


According to the Russian diplomat, the talks have shown that the US and NATO are not ready to discuss Russia's key requirements, they simply do not accept them. At the same time, they express their readiness to discuss only those issues that suit them. Thus, the forecasts about the absence of surprises in the negotiations were confirmed.

As Ryabkov explained, the United States did not officially say "no", but is ready to discuss only what is convenient for them, while Russia needs the opposite. Therefore, if it is not possible to reach an agreement, other methods and techniques will be applied so that the needs of Russia are taken into account. So far, there are no guarantees that the United States will make concessions, but contacts between the countries will continue along various lines. At the same time, there will be no new round of negotiations between Russia and the United States.

On the key elements of these texts, the United States (..) actually says "no" to us, and where they tell us "yes" (...) we in turn note that (...) they are secondary (.. .) I see no reason to sit down in the coming days, to gather again and start these same discussions.

- quotes Ryabkov RTVI.

Answering the question about the likelihood of the deployment of Russian military infrastructure next to the United States, for example, in Venezuela or Cuba, in response, the deputy minister said that he would neither confirm nor deny such a possibility.

Meanwhile, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said the US and NATO have promised to give a written response next week on security guarantees offered by Russia. As the minister explained, with this document they, together with Shoigu, will report to the President of Russia.
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  1. marchcat
    marchcat 13 January 2022 17: 26
    +48
    Security assurance talks with US and NATO are deadlocked
    And what interesting hoped for ??? With what hangover the Americans will suddenly be inferior to us in something ??? The logical and obvious outcome of the negotiations. recourse
    1. vervolk
      vervolk 13 January 2022 17: 36
      .
      you see. even you have questions. Everyone is interested in how the judoka will act further: will it be atemi waza as everyone thinks, or katemi waza as can be expected in a more peaceful scenario, or is it still the technique of lightning negi waza?
      1. dauria
        dauria 13 January 2022 17: 59
        .
        Everyone is interested in how the judoka will act next

        I will repeat what I wrote on January 10th.
        And what do they do in such cases? Loudly shouting on TV "Hurray, we won." And they will justify and explain them as we are "one left".
        Well, do not stand in silence with a muzzle stained with manure in front of future voters.
        1. unaha
          unaha 13 January 2022 18: 11
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          Quote: dauria
          Loudly shouting on TV "Hurray, we won." And they will justify and explain them as we are "one left".

          No, they just clearly explain that: "we tried," but the dark forces are squeezing the ring ...
      2. Hypertension
        Hypertension 13 January 2022 19: 20
        +2
        Quote: vervolk
        Everyone is interested in how the judoka will act further: will it be atemi waza as everyone thinks, or katemi waza

        There will be harya kiri, which means "to lose face" in Japanese. Joke. After all, as the code of Bushido says: pulled out a katana - cut it!
      3. Vladimir Mashkov
        Vladimir Mashkov 13 January 2022 22: 10
        +3
        Ryabkov is calm. Everything is going as expected. The answer is being prepared and will be. Yes, such that the Western "winners" go nuts. We are waiting! smile
        1. Reklastik
          Reklastik 13 January 2022 23: 23
          0
          It looks like a massive distribution of Russian passports is being prepared in the Rust Belt and Texas?
        2. Secutor
          Secutor 13 January 2022 23: 35
          -3
          Are all the residents of Voronezh already in the bunker?
          Or ban tomatoes?
          What to wait then? Will we stop selling gas to the EU?
          1. Charik
            Charik 14 January 2022 00: 56
            -1
            first, the Su 34 from Voronezh will be bombed, then let's see how much they managed to hide in the bunkers, and who managed to go to Siberia behind the nostrils and kicks
          2. flicker
            flicker 14 January 2022 17: 12
            -2
            Or ban tomatoes?
            What to wait then?
            Already voiced: military-technical response.
            "Poseidons" off the coast of the United States - such an answer suits.
      4. trill
        trill 14 January 2022 02: 46
        -6
        will suck on the weight class of northern nigeria
      5. Kaufman
        Kaufman 14 January 2022 06: 40
        -3
        I am also a judoka. But in Soviet times, for some reason, we didn’t bother with this terminology, not uchikomi, but back-and-forth, all these belts - there was nothing like that, only a black belt - MS. In general, both sambo and judo fought easily here and there. Now everything is divided
      6. lot
        lot 14 January 2022 13: 47
        -1
        Warriors of the past grew mustaches. After all, when a samurai was killed in battle, his ears and nose were cut off and carried to the enemy camp. To avoid suspicion that the victim was a woman, the mustache was cut off along with the nose. If there was no mustache on the head, sometimes it was thrown away, mistakenly mistaking for a woman. Therefore, samurai grew mustaches so that enemies would not throw their heads out on the battlefield. (With)

    2. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT 13 January 2022 17: 42
      +27
      Quote: marchcat
      And what interesting hoped for ??? With what hangover the Americans will suddenly be inferior to us in something ??? The logical and obvious outcome of the negotiations.

      Yes, no one hoped, it was just necessary to show that the United States is incapable of negotiation, and other methods must be applied to them.

      PS: The risk of war in Europe is currently at the highest level in the last 30 years, the news was announced by the chairman of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), Polish Foreign Minister Zbigniew Rau.

      He listed among the challenges to European security "protracted conflicts, military confrontation, radicalization, terrorism along with the weakening of the arms control regime, the consequences of the COVID-19 pandemic, as well as violations of human rights and fundamental freedoms."

      “It seems that the risk of a war in the OSCE region is now higher than at any time in the past 30 years,” Rau was quoted as saying by Interfax.
      1. military_cat
        military_cat 13 January 2022 17: 52
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        It is not very clear to whom exactly it was necessary to show this, and which of them saw the inability to negotiate, and not the deliberately absurd requirements.
        1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
          GELEZNII_KAPUT 13 January 2022 18: 00
          +29
          Quote: military_cat
          It is not very clear to whom exactly it was necessary to show this, and which of them saw the inability to negotiate, and not the deliberately absurd requirements.

          The requirement to remove the colt from his temple is, of course, absurd, but only if the opponent has nothing to answer.
      2. evgen1221
        evgen1221 13 January 2022 19: 05
        -2
        Oh, you know, about the risks of high wars like never before, politicians talk every year. Google the archives of newspapers from the past years, at least in 5-year increments. What is ours, what is Soviet, what is Western. The job of politicians is to increase budgets in conjunction with the media and industrialists. What will they get from the war against us - devastation and glowing glass?
        1. KIND LAVRENTIUS
          KIND LAVRENTIUS 13 January 2022 19: 39
          +2
          Quote: evgen1221
          What will they get from the war against us - devastation and glowing glass?

          perhaps they will get such a result if there is no war ...
        2. 1Alexey
          1Alexey 14 January 2022 08: 45
          -1
          Quote: evgen1221
          What will they get from the war against us - devastation and glowing glass?

          The United States has long wanted to arrange a war in Europe, hoping at the same time to sit out overseas.
          America is in debt to Europe, after the war the debts will be reset to zero - those who should die.

          Then the Americans will come to restore Europe and restart the world economy (as a result, they will solve the problems of unemployment, debts and enrich themselves by taking the wealth of European states into their hands, as in the 2nd World War), and will again become the main ones (China is probably planning , in this situation, strangle economically).

          Recently there was information on youtube: after negotiations, the NATO Secretary General said that NATO is ready to fight with Russia in Europe. In my opinion, the last words "in Europe" are the key!

          Of course, it is very naive to think that they will be able to sit out across the ocean, but they seem to have such plans.
          1. evgen1221
            evgen1221 14 January 2022 11: 24
            -1
            Well, it is precisely for the reason that EAC and China have Yao, and will fly to the Amers in any case, my statement is true. It will burn not only here and in Europe. Ok, only NATO is fighting, and the Americans are sending weapons by ships, there will be a strike on the ports, Amer sailors are dying and voila, the Americans are in the war and under the kneading machine gun. They won’t send weapons, so there are a lot of amers in earops, the same result. So the hot phase does not roll. It is easier to reformat economically and politically, which is what they are doing.
            1. 1Alexey
              1Alexey 14 January 2022 15: 31
              0
              Quote: evgen1221
              Well, it is precisely for the reason that EAC and China have Yao, and will fly to the Amers in any case, my statement is true. It will burn not only here and in Europe. Ok, only NATO is fighting, and the Americans are sending weapons by ships, there will be a strike on the ports, Amer sailors are dying and voila, the Americans are in the war and under the kneading machine gun. They won’t send weapons, so there are a lot of amers in earops, the same result. So the hot phase does not roll. It is easier to reformat economically and politically, which is what they are doing.

              I tell you about Thomas, and you tell me about Erema!
              I tell you about the plans of the United States, and you tell me your own thoughts about how that might actually be.

              Only the Americans will not be guided by your thoughts, but by their plans.
              Yes, the Americans will die. Well, they also perished in the 2nd World War, having landed in Europe, while the United States was getting rich, appropriating European riches for itself.

              And what plans the United States has on this issue at the present time, once again speaks to the statement I quoted earlier by the NATO Secretary General, as well as the statement of the US representative to the OSCE after talks with the Russian delegation: “We are currently facing a crisis of European security. sounds louder and the rhetoric has become rather harsh. " Here is a link to this statement: https://topwar.ru/191135-predstavitel-ssha-v-obse-v-evrope-vse-gromche-zvuchit-barabannaja-drob-vojny.html
              1. evgen1221
                evgen1221 14 January 2022 16: 34
                +1
                Not. And it makes sense for them to receive, as a result of these plans, unacceptable damage to themselves and the world in the long term from radiation. In the name of it is not clear why freeze their ears? The Russian Federation is exclusively engaged in these cunning plans. Why should they ruin us while we have yaos? We pay tribute (hello to the gold that we stocked up), we liquidate the people along with production, we give back - what else is needed, sit and wait when we weaken so much that we can’t support it. Plus, Europe and Americans are always afraid of something, then penguins of war then the war with the penguins.
      3. Hey
        Hey 14 January 2022 01: 54
        +2
        Yes, no one hoped, it was just necessary to show that the United States is incapable of negotiation, and other methods must be applied to them.

        Negotiate with the strongest or at least equal. Russia is not currently one. And no one will agree with her.
        What do you threaten them with - give up dollars. If you fight, excluding the atom, then than a dozen aircraft produced per year, or a ship arriving once every 6 years.
        Yes, we got up from our knees, but in what position are we standing?
        Where are our allies? Armenia - allocating 100 people for the operation in Kazakhstan.
        Etc. etc.
        1. 1Alexey
          1Alexey 14 January 2022 09: 18
          -3
          Quote: MUD
          If you fight, excluding the atom, then than a dozen aircraft produced per year, or a ship arriving once every 6 years.

          Firstly, why did you decide that the atom would be completely excluded (at least at the tactical level, it can be used, and we have much more tactical nuclear weapons than the Americans).

          Secondly, we have conventional weapons that are vastly superior to American ones: hypersonic missiles, air defense systems, electronic warfare, a combat laser.

          At the same time, the Americans are not very good fighters and, it seems, they themselves understand this, which once again confirms their indecision to attack Iran and North Korea.
    3. unaha
      unaha 13 January 2022 18: 09
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      Quote: marchcat
      With what hangover Americans will suddenly concede to us in something?

      They tried to blackmail by shaking weapons on the border with Ukraine. But it didn't work.
      But now you can safely poke your finger at NATU, tell them that they warned the people about "aggressive plans" and urge them to rally around the "Elbasy".
      1. Cosm22
        Cosm22 13 January 2022 18: 52
        -3
        It’s so ...
        But in that case, it would not be worth it, perhaps, from every iron to shout about some kind of ultimatum that Russia presented to the West?
        If the Russian Foreign Ministry does not understand the semantic meaning of the term "ultimatum", then there is an Internet. From where you can easily find out that an ultimatum is a decisive demand with the threat of applying measures of influence in case of refusal.
        Refusal received. In this case, polite, thank you for not being sent to walk in the woods yet.
        Well, what measures will Russia be forced to take now? In order not to lose face?
        Maybe our diplomats need to think a little sometimes before they blurt out something?
        1. unaha
          unaha 13 January 2022 19: 00
          -7
          Quote: Cosm22
          Maybe our diplomats need to think a little sometimes before they blurt out something?

          It is necessary, but there is nothing, because they have become unaccustomed, and there was no need. I do not presume to argue, but our diplomacy is either a reference for disgraced / retired politicians, or a career sinecure abroad for "hereditary diplomats."
          Literally every iteration of the "cunning plan" since the mid-2000s has invariably led to a deterioration in the position of the Russian Federation both in foreign policy and in the economy.
          1. KIND LAVRENTIUS
            KIND LAVRENTIUS 13 January 2022 19: 45
            -2
            Quote: unaha
            Literally every iteration of the "cunning plan" since the mid-2000s has invariably led to a deterioration in the position of the Russian Federation both in foreign policy and in the economy.

            Did the cunning 1999-2010 plan suit you?
            Why doesn't HP 2010-2022 suit you?
            ps
            Stalin had good health until 1941 ... but since 1941 the people began to live badly, Stalin, apparently, made bad plans ...
            1. unaha
              unaha 14 January 2022 06: 57
              -2
              Quote: KIND LAVRENTIUS
              Did the cunning 1999-2010 plan suit you?

              Yes, I did. Until 2008 (that is, before the "castling"), I saw a more or less adequate foreign and economic policy. And I do not remember the explicit and active restriction of civil rights and freedoms.
              1. Nastia makarova
                Nastia makarova 14 January 2022 08: 46
                -3
                then you have to tighten your belt
                1. unaha
                  unaha 14 January 2022 09: 56
                  0
                  Quote: Nastia Makarova
                  then you have to tighten your belt

                  If this is an allusion to "State Department grants", then it just looks stupid.
                  And the overwhelming majority of the population will have to continue to tighten their belts. However, some part of him is ready for more, for the sake of the opportunity to amuse himself with some abstract "greatness".
                  1. Nastia makarova
                    Nastia makarova 14 January 2022 10: 14
                    -3
                    are you ready to tighten?
                    1. unaha
                      unaha 14 January 2022 10: 19
                      +2
                      Quote: Nastia Makarova
                      are you ready to tighten?

                      No, but who is asking me? )
                      1. Nastia makarova
                        Nastia makarova 14 January 2022 10: 37
                        -2
                        if asked how would you propose to solve the problem?
                      2. unaha
                        unaha 14 January 2022 11: 23
                        +3
                        Quote: Nastia Makarova
                        if asked how would you propose to solve the problem?

                        This is not even an article. In general, is it likely not to make decisions that at least potentially could negatively affect the income of citizens (of all citizens, not individuals)? And to build from this postulate both domestic and foreign policy?
              2. KIND LAVRENTIUS
                KIND LAVRENTIUS 15 January 2022 03: 23
                0
                Quote: unaha
                And I do not remember the explicit and active restriction of civil rights and freedoms.

                what civil liberties do you lack?
                1. unaha
                  unaha 17 January 2022 08: 19
                  0
                  Quote: KIND LAVRENTIUS
                  what civil liberties do you lack?

                  More than enough already these restrictions:
                  - Law No. 90-FZ "On Sovereign Runet".
                  - 39 by-laws on the regulation of the Runet.
                  - routing only within the Russian Federation.
                  - passing traffic only through TSPU.
                  - Obtaining a license for Internet access services.
                  - Law No. 149-FZ "On information, information technologies and information protection".
                  - Law No. 2124-1 "On Mass Media".
                  - Law No. 31-FZ and No. 27-FZ "On unreliable information"
                  - Law No. 530-FZ "On social networks"
                  and others, and others, and others...
                  1. KIND LAVRENTIUS
                    KIND LAVRENTIUS Yesterday, 10: 54
                    0
                    Quote: unaha
                    More than enough already these restrictions:
                    - Law No. 90-FZ "On Sovereign Runet".

                    что конкретно вам не дают делать эти законы?
                    суицидить детей? смотреть детскоепорно? гнобить неугодных в соцсетях? пропагандировать фашизм? и прочие, прочие и прочие...
                    1. unaha
                      unaha Yesterday, 16: 39
                      0
                      Quote: KIND LAVRENTIUS
                      суицидить детей? смотреть детскоепорно? гнобить неугодных в соцсетях? пропагандировать фашизм?

                      Банальные штампы. Поясните, что именно из этого списка привело к блокировке duma.vote?
                      1. KIND LAVRENTIUS
                        KIND LAVRENTIUS Yesterday, 16: 43
                        0
                        Quote: unaha
                        duma.vote?

                        я не знаю что это...
                        но чтобы это ни было, что мешает вам использовать прокси?
                      2. unaha
                        unaha Yesterday, 20: 44
                        0
                        Мне-то ничего не мешает )
                        Но вы же поняли о чем я? Я ничего не имею против ограничений для номинальных причин. Но они ведь используются не для этого (точнее для этого тоже, но далеко не в первую очередь).
                      3. KIND LAVRENTIUS
                        KIND LAVRENTIUS Today, 10: 32
                        0
                        Quote: unaha
                        Мне-то ничего не мешает )

                        а я задал вопрос что именно вам не дают делать эти законы.....
                        Quote: unaha
                        Но вы же поняли о чем я?

                        нет не понял, это вы мне расскажите о чем вы!!!! -"я то думал вы о бане, а вы о вшах..."
                        Quote: unaha
                        Я ничего не имею против ограничений для номинальных причин.

                        не совсем понятно (или совсем непонятно) какой вы вкладываете смысл в слова "номинальных причин".
                        Quote: unaha
                        Но они ведь используются не для этого (точнее для этого тоже, но далеко не в первую очередь).

                        а для чего???
        2. V means B
          V means B 13 January 2022 19: 13
          .
          Why should they think? They are not punished for this, so why burden yourself with "thinking")
        3. KIND LAVRENTIUS
          KIND LAVRENTIUS 13 January 2022 19: 40
          -7
          Quote: Cosm22
          Well, what measures will Russia be forced to take now?

          decisive !!!!!
          1. Cosm22
            Cosm22 13 January 2022 19: 55
            -7
            Announce the entire list, pzh-hundred!
            1. Clear
              Clear 13 January 2022 20: 24
              +14
              Quote: Cosm22
              Announce the entire list, pzh-hundred!

              Vladimir, you accused the Russian Foreign Ministry of not understanding the meaning of
              Quote: Cosm22
              If the Russian Foreign Ministry does not understand the meaning
              the term "ultimatum"
              and accused of rash politics
              Quote: Cosm22
              Maybe our diplomats need to think a little sometimes before they blurt out something?
              I politely asked you to give an example of these statements
              Quote: Clear
              Can you give an example with the statement of a Foreign Ministry official that this is an ultimatum?

              If you do not give such an example, then you yourself
              Quote: Cosm22
              do you need to think a little sometimes before you blurt out something?
              1. Cosm22
                Cosm22 13 January 2022 22: 13
                -8
                You can, of course, cling to a specific word and, on this basis, put forward counter-accusations or build a line of defense. But such a line of defense looks rather helpless and impotent.
                I'll even make it easy for you. I will say: I repent, I am a sinner. Did not nominate the Russian Foreign Ministry official ultimatum to the West.
                Our Russian media shouted about it from every iron.
                But not at the suggestion of this very Ministry of Foreign Affairs?
                Isn't the Russian Foreign Ministry already on official level marked some "red lines" that Russia will not allow the conditional West to cross? And weren't these "red lines" called an ultimatum even in the Russian press?
                It's not about terms, Ms. Yasnaya. And that, as I have already noted, sometimes you need to think first, and then speak.
                For example, what will happen if Russia's demands, which are initially unacceptable to the West, are rejected?
                Ryabkov simply had to not look for trouble, even after receiving the appropriate clear instructions. That's why he's a diplomat. And when a diplomat (and not just a diplomat, but the Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation) begins to resort to threats and turns to a fennel like "collect your belongings", the level of Russian diplomacy and the Foreign Ministry is concretely manifested in all its glory. This is the plinth level.
                By the way, what about the list of "drastic measures"?
                I'm still waiting for its announcement.
                1. Terenin
                  Terenin 13 January 2022 23: 49
                  -2
                  How many boorish statements of the West against Russia ... I do not want to repeat.
                2. Clear
                  Clear 14 January 2022 00: 12
                  +1
                  Quote: Cosm22
                  I will say: I repent, I am a sinner. The Russian Foreign Ministry did not issue an official ultimatum to the West.
                  Recognition Worthy of Respect yes


                  Quote: Cosm22
                  switches to a fenya like "collect your belongings", the level of Russian diplomacy and the Foreign Ministry is concretely manifested in all its glory.
                  One can argue about beauty, but could you give a source of thieves' (thieves') jargon, where the expression "collect belongings" is exclusively their prerogative? Otherwise, you risk, in the taboo underworld, to fall ... under real sanctions winked

                  Quote: Cosm22
                  And that, as I have already noted, sometimes you need to think first, and then speak.
                  Quotes of boorish statements by Western politicians against Russia are in the public domain, I won’t repeat them, it’s disgusting. But, in your posts, I did not find them as angry condemnation as literary Ryabkov's statement, literally "NATO will have to collect belongings"

                  Quote: Cosm22
                  By the way, what about the list of "drastic measures"?
                  I'm still waiting for its announcement.
                  Oh, what are you asking me? request I, myself, look forward to and keep quiet, tk. I understand that when the diplomats finish talking, the military will start talking loudly.

                  Py.Sy. In Ozhegov's dictionary - MANATKI, -current (simple). Small things, belongings.
                  In the dictionary D.N. Ushakov- MANATKI, manatok, (Polish manatki) (simple). Things, belongings.
                  1. military_cat
                    military_cat 14 January 2022 04: 34
                    -1
                    Quote: Clear
                    literary statement
                    (...)
                    Py.Sy. In Ozhegov's dictionary - MANATKI, -current (simple).

                    So literary or colloquial? I remind you:

                    vernacular, one of the varieties of the national language (along with the literary language, jargon and dialect speech), in which means that are outside the literary norm are implemented.
                3. Nastia makarova
                  Nastia makarova 14 January 2022 08: 47
                  +1
                  there was no ultimatum, the media does not need to listen at all
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        4. Plate
          Plate 13 January 2022 19: 47
          +16
          But in that case, it would not be worth it, perhaps, from every iron to shout about some kind of ultimatum that Russia presented to the West?

          So from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs he did not shout anything about the ultimatum, it seems that the media themselves invented this for the sake of the headlines, and we picked it up.
        5. Clear
          Clear 13 January 2022 20: 11
          +9
          Quote: Cosm22
          But in that case, it would not be worth it, perhaps, from every iron to shout about some kind of ultimatum that Russia presented to the West?
          If the Russian Foreign Ministry does not understand the semantic meaning of the term "ultimatum", then there is the Internet.

          Can you give an example with the statement of a Foreign Ministry official that this is an ultimatum?
          1. Orel
            Orel 13 January 2022 20: 21
            -6
            Quote: Clear
            Can you give an example with the statement of a Foreign Ministry official that this is an ultimatum?


            - What do you want a slave?
            - I am not a "slave", I am his student.
            - Call it whatever you like, but this will not change the things that we are talking about.

            PS As a matter of fact, it is clear that this is an ultimatum, or you give us 3 conditions and guarantees, or we don’t know what "but we will answer hoo how."
            1. Clear
              Clear 13 January 2022 20: 31
              +11
              Quote: Orel
              PS In fact, it is clear that this is an ultimatum ...

              Everyone understands the "essence" as they please. Who is against? request
              But, there was a direct accusation Cosm22 (Vladimir) Ministry of Foreign Affairs in the term "ultimatum".
              1. Orel
                Orel 13 January 2022 20: 34
                -9
                Quote: Clear
                But, there was a direct accusation of Kosm22 (Vladimir) Foreign Ministry in the term "ultimatum".


                There is such an expression, it is especially popular in Eastern culture: "Silent diplomacy." There is something in between, everyone understands that this is an ultimatum, but they pretend that it seems to be a "requirement". Play on words.
                1. Clear
                  Clear 13 January 2022 20: 53
                  +3
                  Quote: Orel
                  Quote: Clear
                  But, there was a direct accusation of Kosm22 (Vladimir) Foreign Ministry in the term "ultimatum".


                  There is such an expression, it is especially popular in Eastern culture: "Silent diplomacy." There is something in between, everyone understands that this is an ultimatum, but they pretend that it seems to be a "requirement". Play on words.

                  It is unlikely that "silent diplomacy" will bear fruit in the desire of the United States and NATO to cooperate, as in the novel "Foggy Albion" winked
                  1. Orel
                    Orel 13 January 2022 20: 55
                    -5
                    Quote: Clear
                    It is unlikely that "silent diplomacy" will bear fruit in the desire of the United States and NATO to cooperate, as in the novel "Foggy Albion"


                    Collaborate with equals. It is not the armies that are fighting, but the economies. Therefore, everything is clear in advance, unless we are all fighting for mutual nuclear destruction, which is absurd, because all the children of our top officials live most of the year, anywhere but in Russia.
                    1. Clear
                      Clear 13 January 2022 21: 00
                      +2
                      I don't see the logic in
                      Quote: Orel
                      unless we are all fighting for mutual nuclear annihilation,
                      and the fact that
                      Quote: Orel
                      for all the children of our highest officials live most of the year, anywhere but in Russia.

                      Or shadarakh when they all come to visit their parents at the same time? winked
                      1. Orel
                        Orel 13 January 2022 21: 03
                        -4
                        Quote: Clear
                        Or shadarachnem when they come to their parents?


                        I left this comment yesterday. I am fond of history. In my opinion, it is very similar: "This whole story between the Russian Federation and NATO is reminiscent of the story of the Munich Conference." There are similar facts (in no case I do not equate us with Germany, only a comparison of facts and conditions formed): 1. Germany at that time was a country that lost the First World War and survived the collapse (Russia is a country that lost the Cold War and survived the collapse) 2. The German people longed for revenge, to restore their weight in the world, even through force, hence such support for the dictator (In Russia, the people for the most part want to restore their former respect and power, as under the USSR, including the use of force as a means, the examples of Syria and Crimea is evident, so again a coincidence). 3. In Germany, a revanchist dictator was formed under the slogans of uniting the "divided" German people: Czechoslovakia, Austria, France, Poland, pieces of the German nation and lands ended up in these states. (In Russia, Putin avoids direct reference to "collecting Russian lands", but I think everyone understands that he really likes this role and that it regularly looks through our propagandists, and whether or not he is a dictator after 20 years of rule is up to everyone to decide for himself. From my point of view, again a coincidence.) 4. Germany allowed an open non-recognition of the existence of some states (for example, the same Czechoslovakia, Austria, albeit indirectly). (In Russia, we repeatedly come across the opinion that, for example, Ukraine is a non-state and, in general, a primordial part of Russia. In my opinion, the story with Czechoslovakia and the Anschluss of Austria is very similar. Again, there is a coincidence.) 5. Germany strenuously modernized its armed forces at an unprecedented pace and was the first in the world of that time for this indicator. (Russia today is the leader in terms of the rate of modernization and the ratio of new weapons and equipment in the troops, we do not take the number, but the rates of intensified militarization ahead of other countries are evident, again, a complete coincidence). 6. In Germany, all the media were taken under state control, the policy of militarization of consciousness and the masses became decisive (In Russia, based on the rhetoric of the State Media Agency, and they have an overwhelming weight, the situation is the same, the threshold of rejection of violence is reduced before the people, the war is being done in the eyes of the people not only admissible, but also a necessary means of "country in a ring of enemies", a classic of the genre. In my opinion, again a coincidence). 7. The Western allies were diplomatically weak and did not want to admit the risks of war and placated Germany in the hope of peace, public opinion in the West was then sharply against any war and a politician who would hint about its necessity would be doomed to outcasts, which by the way was tested on himself by Churchill himself, although he turned out to be further right, this is another story, here as a fact. (There is also an opinion in Russia today that the West is collectively and militarily weakening, it is precisely in the desire to use force, not in the fact that they do not have military capabilities. It is precisely in the fact that, as then, the West is tired of fighting. Coincidence again.) 8. Germany at the "Munich Conference" promised peace in exchange for the territory of Czechoslovakia, and the allies surrendered this country in order to please their hopes for eternal peace. (Russia today offers NATO to essentially make Munich-2, Ukraine will never become a NATO member, and we will accumulate forces, invest in the necessary elements and not whine, so we will solve the "Ukrainian" problem of joining the country to its own alliance, sooner or later. ) The difference in all this is only one - Munich-2 did not take place and now, as Germany then threatened war in case of non-fulfillment of the conditions for Czechoslovakia, Putin today demonstrates military power and frankly either hints or in the form of a bluff demonstrates what he can do by military means to solve the "Ukrainian problem" if they do not yield to him.
                      2. Clear
                        Clear 13 January 2022 21: 07
                        +1
                        Quote: Orel
                        Russia is the country that lost the Cold War and went through the collapse
                        We survived the collapse, but we did not lose the Cold War, but simply the first ones stopped responding to rudeness and dirty tricks.

                        Py.Sy. I'll read the rest later. Now I'm running away.
              2. Cosm22
                Cosm22 13 January 2022 22: 28
                -6
                Quote: Clear
                But, there was a direct accusation of Kosm22 (Vladimir) Foreign Ministry in the term "ultimatum".


                Please, look a little higher. There is an answer to your first comment.
                If the meaning of my answer is not clear, I can explain it in a more detailed way.
                What to do, sometimes you have to resort to using your fingers.
              3. military_cat
                military_cat 14 January 2022 05: 34
                -3
                Quote: Clear
                Everyone understands the "essence" as they please.

                This is an ultimatum, of course, not "in essence" (which I also do not like), but strictly by definition.

                "A strong demand with the threat of recourse in case of refusal."
                The decisive requirement is a check.
                The threat of recourse in case of refusal is a check.

                There was no need to argue about the existence of the term "ultimatum" in order to deduce from it the threat of taking measures, since this threat was indicated in plain text - https://ria.ru/20211221/bezopasnost-1764747743.html
                1. Clear
                  Clear 14 January 2022 16: 53
                  -1
                  Quote: military_cat
                  "A strong demand with the threat of recourse in case of refusal."
                  The decisive requirement is a check.
                  The threat of recourse in case of refusal is a check.

                  And again, this is not a check-check, but a chick-chirp ... understanding of each individual individual.
                  None of the officials said that.

                  Quote: military_cat
                  There was no need to argue about the existence of the term "ultimatum" in order to deduce from it the threat of taking measures, since this threat was indicated in plain text - https://ria.ru/20211221/bezopasnost-1764747743.html
                  Maybe for you it is designated as "plain text", but from your link, Gavrilov said:

                  "It has already been said clearly that there will be military-technical and military answer or creation counterthreats NATO in places where they don't expect "
                  but not at all
                  Quote: military_cat
                  with the threat of applying measures of influence in in case of refusal
        6. DesToeR
          DesToeR 13 January 2022 21: 01
          +1
          Quote: Cosm22
          But in that case, it would not be worth it, perhaps, from every iron to shout about some kind of ultimatum that Russia presented to the West?

          But did the official representatives of Russia declare an ultimatum?
          Quote: Cosm22
          Refusal received. In this case, polite, thank you for not being sent to walk in the woods yet.

          Perhaps this is what Russia was trying to achieve - to receive a refusal.
          Quote: Cosm22
          Well, what measures will Russia be forced to take now? In order not to lose face?

          And this is what we'll see. No one starts such a "game", and even in a time pressure mode, and at the highest stakes without options for development in one direction or another.
          Quote: Cosm22
          Maybe our diplomats need to think a little sometimes before they blurt out something?

          Do not rush, Russians - let's wait for an answer from Putin - I believe it will not take long to wait.
          1. Cosm22
            Cosm22 13 January 2022 22: 47
            -3
            I believe too.
            In that, for example, that we someday will catch up with Portugal in terms of GDP, as predicted by Vladimir Vladimirovich.
            And I believe in many other things.
            In the "incorruptible guards,
            In the care of the bank about customers ...
            I believe in mermaids, in brownies. "Etc. according to the text.
            But can an ordinary Russian have the intention to wait not for Putin's answer, but for the solution of other issues? More pressing matters? Solutions to the question of raising pensions, for example? Salary? Improving the conditions of health care? Strengthening food control? Introducing a progressive tax on the rich? Etc.?
            However, to each his own ... Someone is interested in the list I have listed. Someone is a mythical answer from Putin.
            1. Nastia makarova
              Nastia makarova 14 January 2022 08: 50
              -1
              would have caught up long ago, if not sanctions, and putting sticks in the wheels for any reason, and a ban on selling our goods around the world is a huge problem
      2. Charik
        Charik 14 January 2022 00: 58
        +1
        don't dance around the clown and rejoice
    4. fif21
      fif21 13 January 2022 18: 30
      +1
      Quote: marchcat
      Security assurance talks with US and NATO are deadlocked
      And what interesting hoped for ??? With what hangover the Americans will suddenly be inferior to us in something ??? recourse

      The Foreign Ministry must somehow show its necessity. It is impossible to achieve anything with empty verbiage. There would be no Leningrad, Moscow, Stalingrad, there would be no Yalta! Who does not understand this, that sucker. hi
    5. Thrifty
      Thrifty 13 January 2022 18: 39
      +5
      First, you need rigidity in relation to the uk-roine. Breaking of ALL contracts, under the pretext of a threat to economic security for Russia, bans on overflight of commercial aircrafts, revision, even by force, of the agreement on the Sea of ​​Azov, the return of the statute of the internal Russian sea to it, with all the ensuing consequences. The most active assistance to the republics with weapons, instructors, equipment, the abolition of the ban on the use of ANY heavy weapons by the republics, the refusal of any negotiations on the status of Donbass with the Kiev side, the official admission of Donbass to Russia ... for this you only need the WISH of the Kremlin!
      1. evgen1221
        evgen1221 13 January 2022 19: 11
        -6
        And in order to do this, at least 75% of consumer goods must be produced from their own raw materials and machines for this, too. And if this is not the case, then in a year, instead of tea, the country will brew birch bark and take clothes from there.
      2. V means B
        V means B 13 January 2022 19: 15
        -5
        Yes, you are a dreamer) Where have you seen such willing people in the Kremlin?)
      3. KIND LAVRENTIUS
        KIND LAVRENTIUS 13 January 2022 19: 47
        +2
        Quote: Thrifty
        for this you only need the DESIRE of the Kremlin!

        and what result do you want to get from these actions?
        describe the analysis in more detail, please !!!
        1. Thrifty
          Thrifty 13 January 2022 20: 18
          +1
          GOOD PAVENTION, it's time to stop believing in "good Kremlin partners" and become a truly INDEPENDENT STATE, I'm talking about our power! The result, our future as a state, and not an imitation of activities both in foreign and domestic politics. It is time to be strong, and in a good way, arrogant, not to be silent, not to make excuses, to act in the interests of the country and its population, making a promise to fulfill it. Suffice it to recall the notorious "red lines"! Next time they will be drawn in the Kremlin beyond the Urals ?????????
          1. your vsr 66-67
            your vsr 66-67 13 January 2022 20: 57
            0
            How to act? By force of arms? Basically I agree! But, right there there will be commentators who will overwhelm everything and everyone with such comments, like .... and how many dead, innocent ...
          2. KIND LAVRENTIUS
            KIND LAVRENTIUS 16 January 2022 16: 51
            0
            Quote: Thrifty
            it's time to stop believing in "good Kremlin partners" and become a truly INDEPENDENT STATE, I'm talking about our government! The result is our future as a state, and not an imitation of activity in both foreign and domestic politics.

            in other words, you cannot do an analysis, but you can write slogans .... this is sad ...
    6. Lena Petrova
      Lena Petrova 13 January 2022 18: 46
      +7
      Quote: marchcat
      And what interesting hoped for ???

      Even the sentry warns at first.
      1. Cosm22
        Cosm22 13 January 2022 19: 07
        -5
        Let's say they were warned.
        What's next?
        Missiles to the Balkans?
        So for every tricky nut, you can always find a bolt with the corresponding thread. Moreover, the West does not experience a shortage of hardware.
        1. Nastia makarova
          Nastia makarova 14 January 2022 08: 52
          0
          why rockets? there are many different ways
    7. V means B
      V means B 13 January 2022 19: 01
      -7
      What if, what if laughing
    8. KIND LAVRENTIUS
      KIND LAVRENTIUS 13 January 2022 19: 35
      -3
      Quote: marchcat
      And what interesting hoped for ???

      get exactly this answer !!! - that was the goal! ... for what? - I do not know!
      I can only guess ... maybe oil and gas for rubles?
  2. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 13 January 2022 17: 27
    -3
    and they came out of there (out of the dead end)? !!!
  3. Alexey Sommer
    Alexey Sommer 13 January 2022 17: 27
    +15
    Expected.
    There is not much to wait.
    We will soon find out what kind of trump card we have up our sleeve.
    1. isv000
      isv000 13 January 2022 18: 01
      -1
      Quote: Alexey Sommer
      We will soon find out what kind of trump card we have up our sleeve.

      One ace has already been played - CSTO. The next could be the recognition of the LDNR ...
      1. Alexey Sommer
        Alexey Sommer 13 January 2022 18: 09
        +7
        Quote: isv000
        One ace has already been played - the CSTO.

        I don’t know, I don’t know, how does this relate to our NATO talks? Not sure if the connection is direct.
        Foreign Ministry criticized the nationalist statements of the new minister in Kazakhstan
        How is this purpose to be understood?
        Quote: isv000
        The next could be the recognition of the LDNR ...

        And what does this change for the security of Russia?
        1. 1Alexey
          1Alexey 14 January 2022 09: 36
          0
          Quote: Alexey Sommer

          Quote: isv000
          The next could be the recognition of the LDNR ...

          And what does this change for the security of Russia?

          Actually, a lot. This will allow Russia to deploy troops on the territory of the allied states (DPR and LPR), by analogy with South Ossetia and Abkhazia, preventing NATO troops from being there, which could be there in the event of the defeat of these republics by Ukraine.

          In addition, it will set an example for other regions of Ukraine to get out of pro-Bandera power.
    2. pavelvks
      pavelvks 13 January 2022 18: 28
      +1
      Quote: Alexey Sommer
      We will soon find out what kind of trump card we have up our sleeve.

      Well, Ryabkov has already indirectly hinted at Venezuela and Cuba.
      1. Alexey Sommer
        Alexey Sommer 13 January 2022 18: 59
        -3
        Quote: pavelvks
        Well, Ryabkov has already indirectly hinted at Venezuela and Cuba.

        He did not hint, he avoided answering.
        But okay, let's talk.
        Well, we placed missiles in Venezuela, and there is a banana or cocaine revolution.
        Introducing a limited contingent?
        Well, they entered it, and what next?
        To chase every Indian through the jungle?
        This is not Kazakhstan, everything is much worse there.
        In addition, do not forget about the "Cuban missile crisis" when we deployed missiles in Cuba.
        In the sense that if the United States arranges a naval blockade, what is our next step?
        Isn't it easier to keep three nuclear submarines with Zircons on duty near the United States?
        Vaughn, these Project 949 Submarines, the upgraded 72 Zircon, will be carried on board.
        Beauty!
        I think this is much better than Venezuela.
        ps
        Here in Mexico, to arrange a hydrological revolution, from the very beginning.)
        However, these are dreams ...
        Ours, for this, professional qualifications are not enough.
        1. pavelvks
          pavelvks 13 January 2022 19: 25
          +5
          This is all clear, the question is different, what measures should be taken so that the Americans move? Economic? It is unlikely that we do not have effective levers in this direction? Political? In light of recent events, we see that it doesn't work either. All that remains is the military method, and as an option, the deployment of missiles in these states, so that there is a direct threat, then they will move. It's like with the Cuban missile crisis, the United States did not make concessions until it felt a real threat to its security. And as a result of this crisis, we achieved our goals.

          Quote: Alexey Sommer
          Vaughn, these Project 949 Submarines, the upgraded 72 Zircon, will be carried on board.
          Beauty!


          I agree, beauty, but no one sees or hears submarines, therefore there is no impact on the very population of the United States and the whole world. When there was the Cuban Missile Crisis, our "Sharks" submarines with 20 ballistic missiles also circled around the United States, so what? But nothing, only after the missiles in Cuba, the entire US public was alarmed. So the media presence in this matter is also important.
          1. Alexey Sommer
            Alexey Sommer 13 January 2022 19: 29
            -2
            Quote: pavelvks
            But nothing, only after the missiles in Cuba, the entire US public was alarmed. So the media presence in this matter is also important.

            Voooot ..
            In terms of media coverage, we have already taken the first step.
            And to calculate the next step, I think we lack awareness.
            I doubt very much that ours with a drink decided to take them on a show-off ...
            We will see.
            ps
            And Venezuela is a short game IMHO.
            They introduced a FULL blockade.
            We can hold out on a dry ration, and Venezuelans, how long can we hold out without cotton swabs and toothbrushes, etc., etc.? Do not know..
            Will they wait until X hour? ..
            Why should we send container ships there under the protection of Peter the Great every time?
            Doubt this is effective ...
          2. 2 Level Advisor
            2 Level Advisor 13 January 2022 19: 43
            +7
            Pavel, did you watch - when the Sharks were launched, and when there was the Cuban missile crisis, just for fun? and where were the missiles in that crisis - on the nuclear submarine?
          3. Orel
            Orel 13 January 2022 20: 31
            -1
            Quote: pavelvks
            This is all clear, the question is different, what measures need to be taken so that the Americans move? Economic? It is unlikely that we do not have effective levers in this direction? Political? In light of recent events, we see that it doesn't work either. All that remains is the military method, and as an option, the deployment of missiles in these states, so that there is a direct threat, then they will move.


            Not armies are fighting, but economies. The answer in the West-Russia confrontation is known in advance, unless you are betting on mutual nuclear destruction of each other. China because of Taiwan or several islands will not expose itself to attack and opposition, they are not so smart, although economically they can afford it. China with popcorn watches as our heavily armed pug barks at an elephant.
            1. Nastia makarova
              Nastia makarova 14 January 2022 09: 09
              -2
              Ukraine may be a pug, but Russia has always been a bear
          4. Alexey Sommer
            Alexey Sommer 13 January 2022 20: 49
            -1
            Pavel we go from the other side ..
            We deployed missiles in Venezuela.
            They stored potatoes, cotton swabs all over the country for two years, for example ..
            And they BAM!
            Invasion of Venezuela from Colombia and Brazil..
            Will we fight with them with convection weapons, or with thermonuclear weapons right away?
            Because convection, this is not for sure, but thermonuclear ...
            And if the United States then hits Vitebsk in Belarus? ...
            How will we respond?
            Let's express concern, or immediately on Washington? ...
            Many questions.
            Nah.
            Better
            oil and gas per ruble?

            Lavrenty Norm voiced the thought ..
            Not to say that it is new, but efficient.
            1. Secutor
              Secutor 13 January 2022 23: 41
              0
              oil and gas per ruble?

              What about the meaning? Now they are selling for the euro. Then there is a conversion and the same rubles. But everyone will be against it, the ruble is not very stable, which means you will have to make deals in rubles ... this is a gift for the EU. In all other cases, it will be the usual currency conversion.
              1. Alexey Sommer
                Alexey Sommer 14 January 2022 08: 14
                -2
                Quote: Secutor
                What's the point?

                Demand for rubles.
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      1. Nastia makarova
        Nastia makarova 14 January 2022 09: 14
        -1
        you are delusional, why was it necessary to knock a shoe in Munich, why annex the Crimea if they so want to be in the West, they would have given the last after Yeltsin and that’s all
    4. KIND LAVRENTIUS
      KIND LAVRENTIUS 13 January 2022 19: 49
      -1
      Quote: Alexey Sommer
      We will soon find out what kind of trump card we have up our sleeve.

      oil and gas per ruble?
      1. Alexey Sommer
        Alexey Sommer 13 January 2022 20: 26
        -2
        Quote: KIND LAVRENTIUS
        oil and gas per ruble?

        Very good offer ...
        This is much better than the rockets in Venezuela. hi
  4. SaLaR
    SaLaR 13 January 2022 17: 27
    -5
    As expected ............ Impenetrable rams fool
  5. vervolk
    vervolk 13 January 2022 17: 27
    +4
    We can say the first stage is over. Our opponents. showed their inability to negotiate, a desire to blab up the problem and a lack of diplomatic ability. The problem is that they have too meek historical memory. With these electoral cycles of 4 years, they have forgotten how to play long. Their fifth and sixth generation is already living in the post-Cold War era. And nobody finished it with us. so what about the "last argument of kings"? when diplomats are silent then cannons speak. we are waiting for the continuation. it is obvious that the RF "leads" the whole situation with a prologue, action and epilogue. We are waiting for a brilliant denouement during the Olympics. knowing the Chinese, it will be possible to numerology 02.02.2022/XNUMX/XNUMX.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 13 January 2022 17: 37
      +9
      Quote: vervolk
      With these electoral cycles of 4 years, they have forgotten how to play long.

      what do you mean, these cycles, forgive for the suckers, the clans sat in power as they sit, the USA no longer looks like the Roman Empire, but the Venetian republic
    2. Cron
      Cron 13 January 2022 17: 48
      .
      Quote: vervolk
      We can say the first stage is over. Our opponents. have shown their inability to negotiate,

      Ryabkov: the most inconceivable things come to the heads of the Ukrainian authorities, they need to put an end to this
      And also about the possibility of deploying the military infrastructure of the Russian Federation in Cuba and Venezuela: I do not want to confirm or exclude anything
    3. Tavi
      Tavi 13 January 2022 17: 49
      +10
      I would say someone “loves” the Olympics and / or the Olympic time, some kind of “bottleneck”, some kind of regularity is emerging.
      China - Georgia. 2008
      Sochi - Ukraine 2014
      China - we hope everything goes smoothly.
    4. However, dear
      However, dear 13 January 2022 17: 55
      -7
      what kind of guns are there? .. further exhausting arms race and loss in cold war-2. Well, no one really wants to go to heaven.
      1. Cron
        Cron 13 January 2022 18: 45
        0
        Quote: However, Dear
        beyond the grueling arms race

        The arms race never stopped. What are you speaking about?
        and losing the cold war-2

        What else is losing? Union then self-sawed
        1. Cosm22
          Cosm22 13 January 2022 19: 12
          0
          So the union has been self-sawing?
          Do you exclude this possibility for Russia?
          Not by us and not today said: never say "never".
          1. Cron
            Cron 13 January 2022 19: 23
            +4
            Quote: Cosm22
            So the union has been self-sawing?
            Do you exclude this possibility for Russia?

            I don't rule out anything at all. Nothing is impossible. It's just that a person talks about some kind of alleged loss, although in fact there was an internal betrayal.
          2. spirit
            spirit 13 January 2022 19: 36
            +3
            Not by us and not today said: never say "never".

            Now, without the money of the Fed budget, in the event of a sharp deterioration in the economic situation in subsidized and remote regions, fermentation may begin. Putin's main infantryman will be the first to turn 180 against His Majesty. I think the Kremlin understands this, although every day I am more and more convinced that they have not understood anything for a long time and live with illusions mixed with paranoia hi
      2. Nastia makarova
        Nastia makarova 14 January 2022 09: 16
        -1
        tighten your belt
    5. KIND LAVRENTIUS
      KIND LAVRENTIUS 13 January 2022 19: 53
      -4
      Quote: vervolk
      numerology 02.02.2022

      XNUMX means death in numerology...
  6. The black
    The black 13 January 2022 17: 28
    +3
    It was clear from the start
  7. private person
    private person 13 January 2022 17: 31
    +11
    As Ryabkov explained, the United States did not officially say "no", but is ready to discuss only what is convenient for them, while Russia needs the opposite.

    And whoever doubted that it would be different?
  8. SRC P-15
    SRC P-15 13 January 2022 17: 32
    -4
    Ryabkov: Negotiations with the USA and NATO on security guarantees are deadlocked

    They did not reach a dead end - they were driven there by the US and NATO! stop
  9. Flooding
    Flooding 13 January 2022 17: 32
    +5
    I don't think there was much hope for this round.
    US policy is too sluggish.

    But it was important to show the world the openness of Russia, its readiness for dialogue and peaceful coexistence.
    At the same time, making it clear that modern Russia gives priority to its interests for the first time in the last 30 years.
    That the US and NATO have gone too far in their anti-Russian policies.
    And that for Russia the voiced questions are questions of survival.
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 13 January 2022 18: 12
      -4
      You agree to issue ultimatums, or is it a readiness for dialogue?
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 13 January 2022 19: 46
        +1
        Quote: Kronos
        You agree to issue ultimatums, or is it a readiness for dialogue?

        your question is not clear to me
    2. V means B
      V means B 13 January 2022 19: 20
      0
      For the last 30 years, we have only shown repeating the phrase of the cat Leopold "guys, let's live together!" and what, what is the result?)
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 13 January 2022 19: 47
        +4
        Quote: V is for B
        For the last 30 years, we have only shown repeating the phrase of the cat Leopold "guys, let's live together!"

        words about peace should be spoken only from a position of strength
        otherwise it's a plea for mercy
  10. SRC P-15
    SRC P-15 13 January 2022 17: 34
    0
    Why do comments appear after a few minutes? belay
  11. faiver
    faiver 13 January 2022 17: 36
    +3
    Well, what next?
  12. taiga2018
    taiga2018 13 January 2022 17: 38
    -7
    Well, now all that remains is to start deploying their strike systems up to nuclear ones as close as possible to the United States, and besides that, act on the principle of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" and slowly arm all those who are ready to destroy the American military around the world ...
    1. V means B
      V means B 13 January 2022 19: 21
      -6
      Have you already agreed with Mexico and Canada?
    2. KIND LAVRENTIUS
      KIND LAVRENTIUS 13 January 2022 19: 55
      -4
      Quote: taiga2018
      and slowly arm everyone who is ready to destroy the American military around the world ...

      from tse garno dilo!!!!!
  13. sergo1914
    sergo1914 13 January 2022 17: 40
    .
    In response, include Alaska and Texas in the CSTO. Let the world go crazy.
  14. Lonely loner
    Lonely loner 13 January 2022 17: 42
    .
    Now we need a reason, and preferably a more substantial one.
    1. Alexey Sommer
      Alexey Sommer 13 January 2022 17: 53
      0
      Quote: Lonely Loner
      Now we need a reason, and preferably a more substantial one.

      Refusal to take into account our insistent wishes, this is a great reason.
  15. iouris
    iouris 13 January 2022 17: 43
    -6
    Negotiations did not seem to be planned. There is no time to talk anymore: they began to call out "suicide bombers" - the states-limitrophes along the perimeter of the Russian Federation. Kazakhstan has already shown this. Others are next. This will have results comparable to the beginning of the war.
  16. cniza
    cniza 13 January 2022 17: 49
    -1
    Meanwhile, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said the US and NATO have promised to give a written response next week on the security guarantees offered by Russia.


    Everything there will be turned upside down and there will be threats in our direction, we knew what would happen ...
  17. sleeve
    sleeve 13 January 2022 17: 52
    -1
    It seems that Putin personally waved the "ultimatum" and shouted at the top of his voice: "They will accept it anyway!" Quite the opposite. They even threw in "discussions" through TV and the Internet, on which they said "loudly over white" 200 times that they "would not accept." Not accepted? Well, okay. The question is in the "answers". The rhetoric is harsh. If with such conversations to work out "in the empty" not that the glasses are lost, the scoreboard can be removed in principle. So let's wait. Deploy the S-400/500 together with the S-350 in Cuba? Yes, and in Venice. Just cover the air defense umbrella and the Gulf of Mexico and the Caribbean. And what? Will they block our route there? Will the ships start sinking under the protection of "Peter" and the nuclear submarine? Of course not. This is exactly their most impudent behavior in response to which they themselves have neither reactions nor methods of counteraction (I apologize rather weakly to take a ram). Are we going to enter Ukraine? And now it depends exclusively on Ukraine. Neither NATO nor the USA. From Ukraine. It is reasonable that after the recognition of the LPNR, such a need will disappear completely, and the process itself will launch (or rather, it can launch) a centrifugal mechanism in Ukraine. But the recognition of the LDNR is another mechanism. "They will crush us economically!" With what? in fact, only the "unrecoverable" ties remained. SWIFT will be chopped off? In general, it becomes interesting to see, and not "dream". The second is again beginning to lag behind reality. The bottom line is the answer. And you can’t not answer.
  18. demo
    demo 13 January 2022 18: 03
    +9
    In foreign policy, as nowhere else, it is necessary to sit down at the negotiating table only in one case - if you have such "arguments" that do not allow your "counterpart" to sleep peacefully.
    When the US deployed missiles in Turkey, what did the USSR do?
    Placed missiles in Cuba.
    Such a "neighborhood for the United States is even closer than a knife to the throat,
    The Cuban Missile Crisis ended with the withdrawal of our missiles from Cuba, and American missiles from Turkey.
    The second example.
    The Americans decided to deploy missiles in Western Europe.
    The USSR decided to place the corresponding components in the GDR and Czechoslovakia.
    The German Chancellor was invited to Moscow and he was shown a map showing the cities of the Federal Republic of Germany, which, in the event of certain circumstances, would be subjected to nuclear strikes.
    At the same time, this conversation was transferred to the media of the GDR, which published it.
    This led to the fact that protest rallies began in Germany with the participation of millions (!!!!) of citizens.
    Living in peace for almost 30 years, the Germans did not smile at all at the prospect of becoming radioactive ash.

    Why we - the USSR, achieved what we needed.
    There are many reasons.
    But the main thing is that not a single responsible leader of the country would have thought of calling the Americans, the French, the British (and further down the list) partners.
    And those "relationships" that characterize the relationship of Russia and to Russia in the rest of the world can be clearly defined as lackey.
    No matter how a patriot of my country would not be offended by such a definition.

    And a lackey and a raw material appendage cannot "demand" a special attitude towards themselves.
    They treat him like this: give, bring and went to .....

    And questions about the reason for the prevailing attitude towards us from the outside world should be asked to those who and those who are sitting at the very top.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 13 January 2022 18: 42
      +4
      Living in peace for almost 30 years, the Germans did not smile at all at the prospect of becoming radioactive ash.


      Well, in the Baltics, Poland, Georgia, Ukraine there will be millions of rallies to "Become radioactive ash but shit on the damned Muscovites." Therefore, the method will no longer work. request .

      Plus, now they are already talking openly about Finland in NATO. And, if we continue the branch, then this is the destruction of St. Petersburg as part of a sudden strike ahead of the alarm signal, and the covering of the bases of the Northern Fleet, again in minutes from making a decision (taking into account Norway, these are strikes from two directions), with the inability to retaliate from pier.

      That is, this is already a question of simply building up forces, which will certainly be building up, and not a question of geography, territory, or politics.
      1. Plate
        Plate 13 January 2022 19: 59
        +5
        If the NATO missile is 2 minutes from Moscow, then it seems that this will make everyone worse. A little something - and there will be no time to think: "What if we die in 2 minutes? We press the button!"
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 13 January 2022 20: 19
          +4
          Well, here, in general, the policy of potential threats plays more.

          Already current NATO members in the Baltics will happily give territory for the deployment of MRBMs and hypersonic missiles when they appear. From there, a significant% of the western part of the country is covered with a minimum flight time. Poland, again, moves the positional area of ​​the conditional new Pershing from a little less than 2000 km to Moscow in Soviet times to 1000-1100.

          The deployment of missiles on the territory of Ukraine gives 600 km to Moscow and almost instant coverage of the largest industrial and military centers, for example, the same Voronezh, Bryansk, Rostov-on-Don.

          Placing even large numbers of nuclear OTRKs in the west / Kaliningrad does not give an adequate answer. Again, they get the possibility of a theoretical surprise strike on all major centers, and the answer will come to the vassals, who themselves are happy to turn into radioactive ash.

          The strategic nuclear forces remain, but again they have been rather heavily regulated and limited. Moreover, part of the strategic nuclear forces actually falls into the zone of an instant strike with a flight time of less than 5 minutes, when MRBM and hypersound are deployed in NATO countries and US vassals. Geographically, even Venezuela and Cuba do not give similar positions on an instant strike, which the United States already has, but at the same time, it is not a fact that Venezuela and Cuba as a whole will agree to a repetition of 62 years.
      2. demo
        demo 13 January 2022 20: 10
        0
        Well, in the Baltics, Poland, Georgia, Ukraine there will be millions of rallies to "Become radioactive ash but shit on the damned Muscovites."

        Oddly enough, these are our former fellow citizens who understand the essence of Russians. And what we can and cannot do.
        This is the first.
        But on TV in Norway and Finland, a well and voluminous film about those cities and about the people who live there, and what they will become - this may work.
        You have to try everything. Including "visual agitation".

        Russia, despite its gigantic size, is militarily organized rather compactly.
        This means that it is necessary to disperse military facilities throughout the territory.
        Reanimation of atomic trains is needed.
        It is necessary to create uninhabited deep-sea vehicles with their deployment near the enemy's coast.
        Much can and should be done.
        But the authorities have chosen the least expensive and, as a result, ineffective way - persuasion and exhortation.
        And that doesn't work with bastards.
        Only a fist under the nose or over the head.
        Then yes!
      3. aszzz888
        aszzz888 14 January 2022 02: 10
        -1

        donavi49
        Yesterday, 18: 42
        ..Plus, now they are already openly talking about Finland in NATO ...

        Who speaks?
        Vika Nulland. She is paid for this.
        Have you heard from Finland itself AT LEAST ONCE about THEIR desire to join NATO? No. (A trailer, since Nulland was talking about two states, and the same about Sweden)
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    3. KIND LAVRENTIUS
      KIND LAVRENTIUS 13 January 2022 20: 02
      -1
      Quote: demo
      And questions about the reason for the prevailing attitude towards us from the outside world should be asked to those who and those who are sitting at the very top.

      ask them yourself first !!!!
      why didn't you personally become an Olympic champion? why not become a prominent scientist? why didn’t you become a millionaire? .... why do you demand leadership from the country, but not from yourself ???
  19. Vita vko
    Vita vko 13 January 2022 18: 06
    +7
    Giving security guarantees to a country that is the raison d'être of NATO is not even funny.
    This requirement will make sense only if it is purely formal in nature and will become the basis for a whole series of military and military-technical measures that will pin the EU and the United States to the wall.
    But so far it is hard to believe that there is any plan to counter NATO.
    The only option is a military and economic alliance with China and other SCO countries, which must include Iran, North Korea and Afghanistan and other countries where the United States and its allies have been spoiling for the last decades.
    1. KIND LAVRENTIUS
      KIND LAVRENTIUS 13 January 2022 20: 10
      -3
      Quote: Vita VKO
      The only option is a military and economic alliance with China and other SCO countries, where it is necessary to include

      is there some more !!!! here:
      According to one version, the death of NATO is at the end of the needle, the needle is in the egg, the egg is in the duck, the duck is in the hare, the hare is hidden in the casket, the casket hangs in chains on an oak that grows on a black mountain or on the distant island of Buyan.
  20. motte
    motte 13 January 2022 18: 22
    +1
    They just take tin, as they want to do it, they need to squeeze it, squeeze it, impose sanctions on GDP, tax it ... Russia has its own I ..? How long can you already?
    Devlet also sent a knife to Ivan the Terrible with a kettlebell after the burning of Moscow in 1571, but the next year he got such tanks that he died in ignorance.
    1. Pulkovo1942
      Pulkovo1942 13 January 2022 18: 56
      +5
      you need to squeeze, squeeze, you need to impose sanctions on GDP, tax

      So this is, on the contrary, good! Uncle Sam needs to shake hands! Let them impose sanctions on the oligarchs, maybe even then our Su-57 will go into production, destroyers will start building, medicine will improve, education, etc.
  21. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 13 January 2022 18: 29
    +2
    And whoever thought that the Americans immediately paws to the top, the fun is just beginning. And the missile versus missile answer will not work here.
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    1. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 14 January 2022 09: 21
      -2
      who spat on you?
  23. Lena Petrova
    Lena Petrova 13 January 2022 18: 49
    0
    Quote: However, Dear
    really nobody wants to go to paradise.

    As far as I remember, in paradise there is a place for only one. The rest are just ...
  24. V means B
    V means B 13 January 2022 18: 57
    -4
    Come on))))
  25. Kairbek
    Kairbek 13 January 2022 18: 59
    -8
    Security assurance talks with US and NATO are deadlocked

    Who would have doubted, but the main thing here is that they went to negotiations, they are still afraid
    Nothing will ripen soon and come running themselves ..
    1. TatarinSSSR
      TatarinSSSR 13 January 2022 21: 39
      +3
      Where are they afraid? On the contrary, thanks to the stupidity of the Kremlin and the Foreign Ministry, they were able to disgrace Russia for the whole world, send it on a journey on foot, I repeat, openly, at the negotiations. For one thing they demonstrated to the whole world "NATO unity".
      1. Nastia makarova
        Nastia makarova 14 January 2022 09: 22
        -2
        it was meant to be and everyone knew about it from the beginning
  26. evgen1221
    evgen1221 13 January 2022 19: 01
    +7
    HM. Someone hoped it would be otherwise? Today we are a pale shadow of the Soviet Union, it was under the Union that negotiations of this level were problematic. Today we are weak and they react to us in such a way that we would not want to tell the world really smart. And in all countries, the weaker the country, the steeper the urapopulist propaganda about their own coolness inside this country.In strong countries, people simply see the fruits of the strength of their country, feel them and they do not need five-letter tenderness similar to the Kiselevtvs, they see them even without it.
    1. vervolk
      vervolk 13 January 2022 19: 29
      -7
      oh yes, the union was very fond of negotiating. it will surrender Cuba, then it will allow Germany to unite, then Ethiopia will abandon Hussein. all these detente and disarmament. agreed upon before the collapse!
  27. Fedor Sokolov
    Fedor Sokolov 13 January 2022 19: 26
    0
    The head of "Stratfor" (the shadow CIA) George Friedman said back in 2014 that we are trying through Ukraine to get as close as possible to the Russian Leningrad, Stalingrad and Moscow, the Russians understand this very well and if they interfere with us, then our task is to stop them any the price.
  28. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 13 January 2022 19: 27
    +10
    Another HSP in foreign policy came to the expected - to embarrassment. Now what? Another HPP, which will further worsen the situation in Russia? A collapse of shares on the Moscow stock exchange, especially Sberbank, Gazprom, Rosneft. Soon the population of Russia will feel this for themselves. And no supplement to the pension of 300-400 rubles will compensate for this.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 13 January 2022 19: 33
      +5
      Quote: 16112014nk
      Soon the population of Russia will feel this for themselves.

      The penny increase in the pension, presented by Putin as a benefactor, really does not even come close to covering real inflation. Products grew by an average of 50%.
      1. 16112014nk
        16112014nk 13 January 2022 21: 42
        +4
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        A penny increase in the pension, presented by Putin as a benefactor,

        That's exactly what a penny. But it's widely advertised.
        But the assistants of the deputies, without publicity, were given a salary increase from 300 to 000. For what kind of "backbreaking work?"
        It's a pity we don't have Kazakhs in Russia.
        1. Nastia makarova
          Nastia makarova 14 January 2022 09: 23
          -3
          what would the Kazakhs achieve? Civil War? it will be even worse
  29. GAndr
    GAndr 13 January 2022 19: 41
    0
    So now what? Will we beat or, as always, a swing for a ruble, and a blow for a penny?
    1. However, dear
      However, dear 13 January 2022 22: 36
      +2
      we have already felt it, the answers have been received: you cannot beat, it will be more expensive to beat yourself. yes, and the line of those wishing to paradise is not at all planned.
  30. Azis
    Azis 13 January 2022 20: 06
    0
    About the main We have already agreed that a Russian representation will be opened in Brussels at NATO, everything else will be for the second time. Especially considering the recent breakthroughs in the form of the return of our delegation to PACE, representatives to the OSCE, etc. There will be a formal justification for the increase in staffing and overseas travel.
  31. BAI
    BAI 13 January 2022 21: 04
    +7
    Security assurance talks with US and NATO are deadlocked

    They were initially at an impasse. Absolutely unacceptable demands for the US and NATO have been put forward.
  32. Lena Petrova
    Lena Petrova 13 January 2022 21: 10
    0
    Quote: KIND LAVRENTIUS
    oil and gas per ruble?

    This does not sound like a military response.
  33. TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 13 January 2022 21: 34
    +2
    Thanks, Cap! (This is Ryabkov-Clown)
  34. Charik
    Charik 14 January 2022 00: 48
    0
    Are you in a dead end ?? - Yes, they just smeared it on the table - how is it? : Shame or Voina. Watched Grushko's interview after he was almost eaten there - like a child scolded in kindergarten - he is afraid to pronounce a word or was instructed at him - he barely squeezed words out of himself, so that the conclusion either from the Russian Federation will begin to suck out more, either war
  35. Charik
    Charik 14 January 2022 00: 53
    -2
    Lavrov said that the United States and NATO promised to give a written answer next week, hahaha, in a month or a year, but for now, weapons and money will go to Ukraine, and the Russian Federation will wait with a piece of paper
    1. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 14 January 2022 09: 25
      0
      originally it was supposed to get no
  36. trill
    trill 14 January 2022 03: 10
    -3
    Quote: Clear
    Quote: Orel
    Russia is the country that lost the Cold War and went through the collapse
    We survived the collapse, but we did not lose the Cold War, but simply the first ones stopped responding to rudeness and dirty tricks.

    Py.Sy. I'll read the rest later. Now I'm running away.


    Can you at least somehow confirm that you didn’t lose, but simply ran away?
  37. trill
    trill 14 January 2022 03: 11
    -2
    Quote: Fedor Sokolov
    The head of "Stratfor" (the shadow CIA) George Friedman said back in 2014 that we are trying through Ukraine to get as close as possible to the Russian Leningrad, Stalingrad and Moscow, the Russians understand this very well and if they interfere with us, then our task is to stop them any the price.


    A globe with a ruler is in your hands, dear friend.
  38. trill
    trill 14 January 2022 03: 16
    -1
    Quote: demo
    Well, in the Baltics, Poland, Georgia, Ukraine there will be millions of rallies to "Become radioactive ash but shit on the damned Muscovites."

    Oddly enough, these are our former fellow citizens who understand the essence of Russians. And what we can and cannot do.
    This is the first.
    But on TV in Norway and Finland, a well and voluminous film about those cities and about the people who live there, and what they will become - this may work.
    You have to try everything. Including "visual agitation".

    Russia, despite its gigantic size, is militarily organized rather compactly.
    This means that it is necessary to disperse military facilities throughout the territory.
    Reanimation of atomic trains is needed.
    It is necessary to create uninhabited deep-sea vehicles with their deployment near the enemy's coast.
    Much can and should be done.
    But the authorities have chosen the least expensive and, as a result, ineffective way - persuasion and exhortation.
    And that doesn't work with bastards.
    Only a fist under the nose or over the head.
    Then yes!


    It's amazing that you are all so kind, but with almost all the neighbors - tension, because they know you too well lol
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  40. Mamyshev
    Mamyshev 14 January 2022 04: 00
    0
    Everyone seemed to understand that our demands would not be accepted. Diplomacy is at an impasse. Let's look further
  41. Kaufman
    Kaufman 14 January 2022 07: 26
    0
    And what is everybody talking about the USSR, comparing? The period of power of the country that existed for 70 years was well, on the strength of 40-50 years. And that's all. Before WWII, they did not have much influence on world politics, in the 20s they survived, in the 30s they built industry, bought factories in the West, and promoted them. Yes, at the end of WWII, it was already a superpower, well, until the mid-80s. RF in a new form for 30 years on the world stage! This is a long time. And we are still living in the past. The generation that is widely represented here will leave and no one will ever compare with the USSR. This country does not exist, and what happened was a flash, a short moment in world history.
    1. Alex Justice
      Alex Justice 14 January 2022 11: 40
      -1
      The communists were in power for a moment. The result is the collapse of Russia, the loss of vast territories and the genocide of its own population.
  42. Timur_3
    Timur_3 15 January 2022 06: 01
    0
    1. Everyone knew that it would end like this from the very beginning, except for Ryabkov.
    2. The NATO Charter is when decisions are made by 30 NATO members.
    The United States will never make decisions alone. This was also known in e from the very beginning, except for Ryabkov.
    3. The treaties of non-aggression and friendship between Germany and the USSR were signed hastily and were prepared for no less than 4 months. You need to know a little about history.
  43. 1536
    1536 15 January 2022 12: 38
    0
    Quote: unaha
    Quote: dauria
    Loudly shouting on TV "Hurray, we won." And they will justify and explain them as we are "one left".

    No, they just clearly explain that: "we tried," but the dark forces are squeezing the ring ...

    Well, yes, and then a "new perestroika" will be announced, because once it has passed, then another can pass? On the other hand, 100 years ago, the imperialists were dealt with rather cleverly. They announced that there would be neither war nor peace, so they thought right up to 1941 what this meant.